RE: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-29 Thread Tony S. Sykes
I was disappointed with the bit torrent speed too. I have used it before
for other downloads and it was fast. For some reason the Mandrake iso's
were slow, and like Tom said the upload for other people was better. I
stopped after an hour as I had 36 hours left on one iso (and growing)
and did it from an ftp server instead. All 3 iso's in 6 hours.

Tony.

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From: Tom Brinkman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [newbie] XFS Mount


On Wednesday August 27 2003 12:13 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Tuesday August 26 2003 09:54 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 Miark wrote:
 It's possible the old mount setting in fstab is still active.
 Have you checked mtab to make sure the partition isn't already
 mounted?
 
 Miark
 
 There are no entries for either drive in mtab.
 
mtab is generated from fstab, an shouldn't be fooled with
 
Brant, try puttin your 1st CD in an check the partitions with
  the installers diskdrake. It could be that when you used
  diskdrake the changes were never made, or the partitions were
  never formatted for XFS, an they're still ReiserFS. Probly
  cause the partitions weren't unmounted. Also, with either
  ReiserFS or XFS, Civileme use to suggest a ext3 /boot
  partition. IME, it was/is good advice.

 I did exactly that and that is what I found.  I posted my
 findings to the expert list last evening.  I forgot to post them
 here as well.

Well, jeez, I had that notion when you first posted the problem, 
but with the chronology mismatches in the lists, I often see 
responses before the original problem ;(  So I was a little 
reluctant to jump in, since I was only seein others diagnosis of 
the problem. No sooner than I hit 'send', I saw a reply from you 
that you'd figured it out by yourself.  Good for you ;)

I don't believe it's a diskdrake bug tho. MOF, it's a feature to 
safeguard still mounted partitions. The only bug would be that 
diskdrake didn't tell you that nothin was done to disk, since the 
partitions weren't successfully unmounted to be reformatted. An I 
believe the developers are already aware of, an workin on that. 
I've been aware that diskdrake runnin from CD is much better than 
foolin with it on the booted system. Actually that's the resolution 
IMO, just always use diskdrake from the 1st CD.  Then it's 
bulletproof ;)

IIRC, you're runnin cooker. FWIW, RC1 iso's look like they're
 comin to the mirrors today. The beta2 iso's are gone, and so far
 the RC1 md5sum file is posted. So maybe ya want to wait for
  those before fixin your partitions.

 I saw that.

 Warly, from Mandrakesoft, released the bittorrent info for them:

 btdownloadheadless.py --url
 http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/MandrakeLinux-9.2rc1-CD1.i586.
iso.torrent --saveas MandrakeLinux-9.2rc1-CD1.i586.iso

Yeah an bittorrent sux for me. That's why I bitched'n moaned on 
the cooker list to get the iso's posted to ftp. bittsux has been 
workin on CD2  3 for almost 20 hours now, about 50% done. I've 
never been much of a p2p fan.  Now I'm fixin to be an enemy of it.
I shortened the url an took a look at the site first. All 3 iso's 
were there. Soon after I pasted Warly's CL into a term, it dawned 
on me the if I just changed the 1 to a 2 after both 'CD's, I could 
start a CD2 'torrent' (what'a misnomer). Same with 3.

OTOH, we all need to get along, so I'm letin all three iso's to 
be uploaded from my connection. Even tho I'm givin far more than 
gettin. I'm gettin tired of Mandrake's increasing games as releases 
get closer to final tho. I was only amused when they resorted to 
false names for iso's, but this bitchtorrent method really sux.

   At least my complaint (maybe?) got Warly to post the 1st CD. It 
was d/l'd and burned within the hour. I only need the damn things 
for backup anyhow, and to take a look at the installer. I'm already 
past RC1. Be even further if the primary mirror (sunsite) ever 
straightens out.
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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-28 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
John Richard Smith wrote:

Miark wrote:

It's possible the old mount setting in fstab is still active.
Have you checked mtab to make sure the partition isn't already
mounted?
Miark



On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:27:49 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

Yes, I did mount -t xfs /dev/hdg1 /drive2.

This is the correct drive and mount point.  This combo worked for a 
long time using reiserfs.

The pertinent lines from my fstab file are:

/dev/hdg1 /drive2 xfs defaults 1 2
/dev/hdh1 /drive3 xfs defaults 1 2
What did diskdrake do wrong?  I sure as heck didn't change 
anything.  I let the expert (diskdrake) do it and it screwed up.

I still haven't received my first post.  Interesting..

This may be irrelevant as I have no experience with xfs partitions,

but, shouldn't the lines be something like,

/dev/hdg1 /mnt/drive2 xfs defaults 1 2
/dev/hdh1 /mnt/drive3 xfs defaults 1 2
John


They would appear that way only if I was mounting them to /mnt/drive2 
and /mnt/drive3.  You can mount them to any directory on the machine.  I 
chose to mount them to /drive2 and /drive3.

Very late last night I found them problem.  It matches up perfectly with 
what Tom suggested.

diskdrake never made the conversion from reiserfs to xfs, it only 
changed the fstab entries.  So Mandrake was trying to the mount reiserfs 
formatted drives as if they were xfs formatted drives.  You can imagine 
how well that worked.

I mounted them as reiserfs and found that they were still working as 
reiser.  I then unmounted them, after recovering the data that was on 
them, and manually created the xfs partition using mkfs -t xfs -f 
/dev/hdg1 for drive2 and mkfs -t xfs -f /dev/hdh1 for drive3.
I then changed the entries in fstab from:

/dev/hdg1 /drive2 reiserfs notail 1 2
/dev/hdh1 /drive3 reiserfs notail 1 2
to:

/dev/hdg1 /drive2 xfs defaults 1 2
/dev/hdh1 /drive3 xfs defaults 1 2
Bingo!  All done.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-28 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Tom Brinkman wrote:

On Tuesday August 26 2003 09:54 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 

Miark wrote:
   

It's possible the old mount setting in fstab is still active.
Have you checked mtab to make sure the partition isn't already
mounted?
Miark
 

There are no entries for either drive in mtab.
   

  mtab is generated from fstab, an shouldn't be fooled with

  Brant, try puttin your 1st CD in an check the partitions with the 
installers diskdrake. It could be that when you used diskdrake the 
changes were never made, or the partitions were never formatted for 
XFS, an they're still ReiserFS. Probly cause the partitions weren't 
unmounted. Also, with either ReiserFS or XFS, Civileme use to 
suggest a ext3 /boot partition. IME, it was/is good advice.

I did exactly that and that is what I found.  I posted my findings to 
the expert list last evening.  I forgot to post them here as well. 

Was that cross-posting?  If so...sue me (as long as it can be 
demonstrated that the exact same people frequent both lists).  I do what 
it takes to get the job done.  :-P

Thanks for the suggestions. :-)

  IIRC, you're runnin cooker. FWIW, RC1 iso's look like they're 
comin to the mirrors today. The beta2 iso's are gone, and so far 
the RC1 md5sum file is posted. So maybe ya want to wait for those 
before fixin your partitions.

I saw that.

Warly, from Mandrakesoft, released the bittorrent info for them:

btdownloadheadless.py --url 
http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/MandrakeLinux-9.2rc1-CD1.i586.iso.torrent 
--saveas MandrakeLinux-9.2rc1-CD1.i586.iso

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-28 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Wednesday August 27 2003 12:13 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 Tom Brinkman wrote:
 On Tuesday August 26 2003 09:54 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 Miark wrote:
 It's possible the old mount setting in fstab is still active.
 Have you checked mtab to make sure the partition isn't already
 mounted?
 
 Miark
 
 There are no entries for either drive in mtab.
 
mtab is generated from fstab, an shouldn't be fooled with
 
Brant, try puttin your 1st CD in an check the partitions with
  the installers diskdrake. It could be that when you used
  diskdrake the changes were never made, or the partitions were
  never formatted for XFS, an they're still ReiserFS. Probly
  cause the partitions weren't unmounted. Also, with either
  ReiserFS or XFS, Civileme use to suggest a ext3 /boot
  partition. IME, it was/is good advice.

 I did exactly that and that is what I found.  I posted my
 findings to the expert list last evening.  I forgot to post them
 here as well.

Well, jeez, I had that notion when you first posted the problem, 
but with the chronology mismatches in the lists, I often see 
responses before the original problem ;(  So I was a little 
reluctant to jump in, since I was only seein others diagnosis of 
the problem. No sooner than I hit 'send', I saw a reply from you 
that you'd figured it out by yourself.  Good for you ;)

I don't believe it's a diskdrake bug tho. MOF, it's a feature to 
safeguard still mounted partitions. The only bug would be that 
diskdrake didn't tell you that nothin was done to disk, since the 
partitions weren't successfully unmounted to be reformatted. An I 
believe the developers are already aware of, an workin on that. 
I've been aware that diskdrake runnin from CD is much better than 
foolin with it on the booted system. Actually that's the resolution 
IMO, just always use diskdrake from the 1st CD.  Then it's 
bulletproof ;)

IIRC, you're runnin cooker. FWIW, RC1 iso's look like they're
 comin to the mirrors today. The beta2 iso's are gone, and so far
 the RC1 md5sum file is posted. So maybe ya want to wait for
  those before fixin your partitions.

 I saw that.

 Warly, from Mandrakesoft, released the bittorrent info for them:

 btdownloadheadless.py --url
 http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/torrent/MandrakeLinux-9.2rc1-CD1.i586.
iso.torrent --saveas MandrakeLinux-9.2rc1-CD1.i586.iso

Yeah an bittorrent sux for me. That's why I bitched'n moaned on 
the cooker list to get the iso's posted to ftp. bittsux has been 
workin on CD2  3 for almost 20 hours now, about 50% done. I've 
never been much of a p2p fan.  Now I'm fixin to be an enemy of it.
I shortened the url an took a look at the site first. All 3 iso's 
were there. Soon after I pasted Warly's CL into a term, it dawned 
on me the if I just changed the 1 to a 2 after both 'CD's, I could 
start a CD2 'torrent' (what'a misnomer). Same with 3.

OTOH, we all need to get along, so I'm letin all three iso's to 
be uploaded from my connection. Even tho I'm givin far more than 
gettin. I'm gettin tired of Mandrake's increasing games as releases 
get closer to final tho. I was only amused when they resorted to 
false names for iso's, but this bitchtorrent method really sux.

   At least my complaint (maybe?) got Warly to post the 1st CD. It 
was d/l'd and burned within the hour. I only need the damn things 
for backup anyhow, and to take a look at the installer. I'm already 
past RC1. Be even further if the primary mirror (sunsite) ever 
straightens out.
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[newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-27 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Hello,

How do you get an XFS drive mounted when it doesn't want to?

I had two storage drive running rieserfs.  I reformatted them to XFS 
through the Mandrake Control Center.  It asked me if I wanted to save my 
changes to fstab and I said yes.  It did and worked wonderfully until I 
had to shut my equipment down for a passing lightning storm.  Now I 
reboot and can't get the drives to mount.  I haven't changed a thing 
since shutting down.

What do I need to do?

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:57, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 Hello,
 
 How do you get an XFS drive mounted when it doesn't want to?
 
 I had two storage drive running rieserfs.  I reformatted them to XFS 
 through the Mandrake Control Center.  It asked me if I wanted to save my 
 changes to fstab and I said yes.  It did and worked wonderfully until I 
 had to shut my equipment down for a passing lightning storm.  Now I 
 reboot and can't get the drives to mount.  I haven't changed a thing 
 since shutting down.
 
 What do I need to do?

What about creating a mount script and running it from
/etc/rc.d/rc.local - so that if you DO have to reboot it will mount
without a hitch...ay?

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-27 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:57, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 

Hello,

How do you get an XFS drive mounted when it doesn't want to?

I had two storage drive running rieserfs.  I reformatted them to XFS 
through the Mandrake Control Center.  It asked me if I wanted to save my 
changes to fstab and I said yes.  It did and worked wonderfully until I 
had to shut my equipment down for a passing lightning storm.  Now I 
reboot and can't get the drives to mount.  I haven't changed a thing 
since shutting down.

What do I need to do?
   

What about creating a mount script and running it from
/etc/rc.d/rc.local - so that if you DO have to reboot it will mount
without a hitch...ay?
Well this is nice.  The response gets to the list before the question.

I can't mount it manually or automatically.  I get wrong fs type, bad 
option, bad superblock on /dev/hdg1, or too many mounted file systems.

Any further suggestions?  I have a lot of data on those drives that I'd 
really like to keep.

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-27 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 12:02, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:

 Well this is nice.  The response gets to the list before the question.
 
 I can't mount it manually or automatically.  I get wrong fs type, bad 
 option, bad superblock on /dev/hdg1, or too many mounted file systems.
 
 Any further suggestions?  I have a lot of data on those drives that I'd 
 really like to keep.

So it's safe to assume that you've opened up a term and tried to use the
regular mount command and options, ya? Have you tried using KDF to
mount the volumes as well? (I haven't used XFS before...so I'm going
blind here mate)

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-27 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Stephen Kuhn wrote:

On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 12:02, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:

 

Well this is nice.  The response gets to the list before the question.

I can't mount it manually or automatically.  I get wrong fs type, bad 
option, bad superblock on /dev/hdg1, or too many mounted file systems.

Any further suggestions?  I have a lot of data on those drives that I'd 
really like to keep.
   

So it's safe to assume that you've opened up a term and tried to use the
regular mount command and options, ya? Have you tried using KDF to
mount the volumes as well? (I haven't used XFS before...so I'm going
blind here mate)
We all know why you're going blind, and it has nothing to do with XFS.  ;-)

Yes, I did mount -t xfs /dev/hdg1 /drive2.

This is the correct drive and mount point.  This combo worked for a long 
time using reiserfs.

The pertinent lines from my fstab file are:

/dev/hdg1 /drive2 xfs defaults 1 2
/dev/hdh1 /drive3 xfs defaults 1 2
What did diskdrake do wrong?  I sure as heck didn't change anything.  I 
let the expert (diskdrake) do it and it screwed up.

I still haven't received my first post.  Interesting...

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-27 Thread Miark
It's possible the old mount setting in fstab is still active.
Have you checked mtab to make sure the partition isn't already
mounted?

Miark



On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:27:49 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Yes, I did mount -t xfs /dev/hdg1 /drive2.
 
 This is the correct drive and mount point.  This combo worked for a long 
 time using reiserfs.
 
 The pertinent lines from my fstab file are:
 
 /dev/hdg1 /drive2 xfs defaults 1 2
 /dev/hdh1 /drive3 xfs defaults 1 2
 
 What did diskdrake do wrong?  I sure as heck didn't change anything.  I 
 let the expert (diskdrake) do it and it screwed up.
 
 I still haven't received my first post.  Interesting...

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-27 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
Miark wrote:

It's possible the old mount setting in fstab is still active.
Have you checked mtab to make sure the partition isn't already
mounted?
Miark

There are no entries for either drive in mtab.

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Re: [newbie] XFS Mount

2003-08-27 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Tuesday August 26 2003 09:54 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote:
 Miark wrote:
 It's possible the old mount setting in fstab is still active.
 Have you checked mtab to make sure the partition isn't already
 mounted?
 
 Miark

 There are no entries for either drive in mtab.

   mtab is generated from fstab, an shouldn't be fooled with

   Brant, try puttin your 1st CD in an check the partitions with the 
installers diskdrake. It could be that when you used diskdrake the 
changes were never made, or the partitions were never formatted for 
XFS, an they're still ReiserFS. Probly cause the partitions weren't 
unmounted. Also, with either ReiserFS or XFS, Civileme use to 
suggest a ext3 /boot partition. IME, it was/is good advice.

   IIRC, you're runnin cooker. FWIW, RC1 iso's look like they're 
comin to the mirrors today. The beta2 iso's are gone, and so far 
the RC1 md5sum file is posted. So maybe ya want to wait for those 
before fixin your partitions.
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