RE: [newbie] apache setup and archives
hmmm, well I have the same thing, eth0 for internal, eth1 for external.. I have apache advx working for the most part, although I did suffer with some probs running mod_perl apps, they only work with :8200 in the url, (I use virtual named hosting). other then that, I have half a dozen domains running php on this box. I don't use MCC for much of anything, I have my smb.conf and do everything else by hand, most importantly the network connections. AS for the firewall, I have never used shorewall, i keep meaning to, then I read posts like this one about it and decide to stick with gShield. (with is a simple text config you answer yes or no to each quesiton and it just works.) Sad as it is to me, I'd like to say nice things about msec, as its a fantastic idea in theory.. but even on the servers I set them to normal and tighten things by hand.. every time I try a server setting, I have no end of trouble getting things to work.. The problem as I see it, is that mandrake have alot of really good programmers, but no really good software designers... I also think mandrake should make a bunch of webmin modules for mandrake specific tools.. msec should be a bumch oc checkboxes where you can choose custom and just tick the items you want enforced. I winge about mandrake alot, but i have to say that having tried several of the alternatives, its still IMHO the best of the bunch for most things. just my thoughts.. rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dennis Myers Sent: Monday, 4 August 2003 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] apache setup and archives On Sunday 03 August 2003 08:38 pm, John Wilson wrote: On August 3, 2003 05:44 pm, Todd Slater wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 04:58:53PM -0700, John Wilson wrote: On August 2, 2003 08:44 am, Todd Slater wrote: snip You haven't disappointed me at all, John. I don't work for Mandrake, they don't pay me any money, so I could really care less whether you use it or not--use Suse, Red Hat, or IIS if it floats your boat. You haven't provided any details about what you tried and the result, only vague complaints. Obviously, you don't really care to learn or you would have taken the time to try to compose a sensible request for help. With regard to MCC, I've had it bork my system far too many times to trust it to do anything right. I was about to recommend to a friend that she run her business on Mandrake but until a lot of things are fixed, including MCC and a useable firewall that isn't Shorewall comes with the distro I think I'll let sleeping dogs lie and let her go to SuSE instead. I'm glad I haven't. :-) Actually, rereading it I seem to have come off a bit more cranky than I meant to. The reality is that in many cases a lot of networking aps don't work out of the box if you've done something the least bit strange from MCC's point of view. In my own situation it's the use of eth1 to go to the outside world and eth0 on the internal network. This throws all the wizards with respect to networking out of whack on MCC which wants to insist on eth0 as the outward bound device and eth1 + as inward facing. My suspicion is that this is hard coded in the script rather than making use of variables and responding appropriately. When I said MCC borked my system I wasn't kidding. It took three days of rewriting conf files to get things back to normal again. During that time most of the machine's functionality was lost. I could have reinstalled but I'd have learned nothing so I went ahead and did it all by hand making very many mistakes and learning a fair bit in the process. Not the least of which is how interconnected things are in Linux. :-) As for Apache...it seems the default scripts that Mandrake places made the same assumptions about which device did what as the MCC scripts did. Not a big problem. Replace and go for it. Figure out how to get Shorewall to open port 80 on the internal network only, which wasn't fun. (With Shorewall I'm strating to think that there's something in my braincells that doesn't make a connection with howtos and examples that don't match the actual configuration screens. In any event, it works now.) Set up BIND and DNS to handle things there and beat Samba into submission so that the Windoze boxes, now only laptops, can read it. Upload a web page with the entirely original phrase Hello World written on it in dull script. Can't get there from here..even though I can ping it. Even more annoying and puzzling is that the Win 98 laptop has no problem but the Linux machines all error out. Anyway..the point I'm at now is having Apache log everything and looking for what it might be. Ditto DNS and BIND. This never happened on 8.2 :-) However, learning is fun if frustrating at times. The only reason for the recommendation to my friend is that she's in a hurry and I
Re: [newbie] apache setup and archives
On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 06:22:36PM +0800, Frankie wrote: hmmm, well I have the same thing, eth0 for internal, eth1 for external.. I have apache advx working for the most part, although I did suffer with some probs running mod_perl apps, they only work with :8200 in the url, (I use virtual named hosting). You must be running 8.2 or 9.0 because this has changed in 9.1, i.e. you don't have to specify the port number. I used Mod_survey in 8.2 and had to specify the port but on my 9.1 install I didn't have to, which caused me a few moments of head-banging. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] apache setup and archives
yeah, thats a mandrake 9.0 box... I have been dreading the switch to apache 2... can you tell me how much differnce there is in the config files of 1.3x and 2.x? I mean like vhosts.conf stuff, does it use the same format?? rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Todd Slater Sent: Monday, 4 August 2003 8:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] apache setup and archives On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 06:22:36PM +0800, Frankie wrote: hmmm, well I have the same thing, eth0 for internal, eth1 for external.. I have apache advx working for the most part, although I did suffer with some probs running mod_perl apps, they only work with :8200 in the url, (I use virtual named hosting). You must be running 8.2 or 9.0 because this has changed in 9.1, i.e. you don't have to specify the port number. I used Mod_survey in 8.2 and had to specify the port but on my 9.1 install I didn't have to, which caused me a few moments of head-banging. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] apache setup and archives
I don't know as I don't use vhosts, but I actually like the set up of 2.x better. The configuration seems a bit more modular. I'll poke around and see if I can find a sample vhosts file on here somewhere; I'm guessing it uses the same format. Todd On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 09:52:33PM +0800, Frankie wrote: yeah, thats a mandrake 9.0 box... I have been dreading the switch to apache 2... can you tell me how much differnce there is in the config files of 1.3x and 2.x? I mean like vhosts.conf stuff, does it use the same format?? rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] apache setup and archives
On August 3, 2003 07:40 pm, Dennis Myers wrote: Not sure what the problem was for you, but Apache Extranet server supplied with 9.0 and 9.1 and 9.2 did most definitely work out of the box for me. All I had to do was put my html in the cgi-bin and it was off and running. Shorewall was not a problem, I just checked the box for web server and all was accessible. I did have to tell my ISP that the IP address in question should be resolved to my web page name and after a day I could access the site with just the .com name. Apache Extranet took no extra work to config it just worked. Gotta love the Mandrake. Oh, I do love the Mandrake! I'm increasingly suspecting the Dell box that I've got it all on as the culprit for a lot of the problems I'm having. Just for a lark I installed everything on a much newer Sony and it all came up without a hitch, except for having to hand configure the things that MCC was about to bork again. The MCC issue is kinda curious. It detects the NICs correctly and, unlike XP, even identifies them properly. It sees the ISP on eth1 and the internal network on eth0 but the moment I let it go it reverses everything. I'm also wondering if it's little issue is that they're both DHCP assigned. Still it's a pain in the buttocks. I'll have another look at it all in September when I stop working 6 days a week and grab a couple of weeks off. :-) ttfn John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] apache setup and archives
On Sunday 03 August 2003 08:38 pm, John Wilson wrote: On August 3, 2003 05:44 pm, Todd Slater wrote: On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 04:58:53PM -0700, John Wilson wrote: On August 2, 2003 08:44 am, Todd Slater wrote: snip You haven't disappointed me at all, John. I don't work for Mandrake, they don't pay me any money, so I could really care less whether you use it or not--use Suse, Red Hat, or IIS if it floats your boat. You haven't provided any details about what you tried and the result, only vague complaints. Obviously, you don't really care to learn or you would have taken the time to try to compose a sensible request for help. With regard to MCC, I've had it bork my system far too many times to trust it to do anything right. I was about to recommend to a friend that she run her business on Mandrake but until a lot of things are fixed, including MCC and a useable firewall that isn't Shorewall comes with the distro I think I'll let sleeping dogs lie and let her go to SuSE instead. I'm glad I haven't. :-) Actually, rereading it I seem to have come off a bit more cranky than I meant to. The reality is that in many cases a lot of networking aps don't work out of the box if you've done something the least bit strange from MCC's point of view. In my own situation it's the use of eth1 to go to the outside world and eth0 on the internal network. This throws all the wizards with respect to networking out of whack on MCC which wants to insist on eth0 as the outward bound device and eth1 + as inward facing. My suspicion is that this is hard coded in the script rather than making use of variables and responding appropriately. When I said MCC borked my system I wasn't kidding. It took three days of rewriting conf files to get things back to normal again. During that time most of the machine's functionality was lost. I could have reinstalled but I'd have learned nothing so I went ahead and did it all by hand making very many mistakes and learning a fair bit in the process. Not the least of which is how interconnected things are in Linux. :-) As for Apache...it seems the default scripts that Mandrake places made the same assumptions about which device did what as the MCC scripts did. Not a big problem. Replace and go for it. Figure out how to get Shorewall to open port 80 on the internal network only, which wasn't fun. (With Shorewall I'm strating to think that there's something in my braincells that doesn't make a connection with howtos and examples that don't match the actual configuration screens. In any event, it works now.) Set up BIND and DNS to handle things there and beat Samba into submission so that the Windoze boxes, now only laptops, can read it. Upload a web page with the entirely original phrase Hello World written on it in dull script. Can't get there from here..even though I can ping it. Even more annoying and puzzling is that the Win 98 laptop has no problem but the Linux machines all error out. Anyway..the point I'm at now is having Apache log everything and looking for what it might be. Ditto DNS and BIND. This never happened on 8.2 :-) However, learning is fun if frustrating at times. The only reason for the recommendation to my friend is that she's in a hurry and I can't really get to this problem until I get some time off the day job in September to chase down what is undoubtedly my own screw up. Working 6 days a week will do that. I'll talk to her again on Tuesday and see if I can't slow her down a bit. All in all I'd rather she use Mandrake for an enormous number of reasons mostly having to do with the small fact that it's the best, IMHO, and often least expensive. Now I'll go eat and do penance for being cranky by fighting with my cats over just who will eat the chicken. :-) ttfn John Again I am baffled, I use eth0 as internal and eth1 as the external devices since I didn't know any better. It works just dandy all through my system. MCC has caused me no problems, (well with the exception of the current beta, it is not playing nice in beta 1) So the old YMMV continues to be a reasonable statement. I would suggest that your friends business would run just fine on MandrakeLinux, ours does. Only problems we have are squirrels getting fried on the transformers and knocking out our power for about 4ns. The seem to vaporize quickly. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] apache setup and archives
Hi Everyone, I am trying to set up a simple apache (2.0) webserver so I would normally try to search the archives. I continue to get error messages whenever I try to access them. As an alternative, does anyone have a good newbie site for the steps involved? Also, on my 9.1 installation with default security settings, is the standard port open or closed? How can I tell. As you can see, I'm pretty new to webserving so all assistance is appreciated. Best regards from burning BC Bill W. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] apache setup and archives
On Sat, 02 Aug 2003 08:05:57 + Bill Winegarden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I am trying to set up a simple apache (2.0) webserver so I would normally try to search the archives. I continue to get error messages whenever I try to access them. For most mailing list archives, I use http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/. Use your browser's find function to locate mandrake-newbie. As an alternative, does anyone have a good newbie site for the steps involved? Not much to do, it should work out of the box. Verify that httpd is running (you can do that through mcc system services--you can also start it from there if it's not running). To start it from a terminal, as root do service httpd start. Note that if you make any configuration changes to /etc/httpd/conf/*.conf, you'll have to restart httpd. Also, on my 9.1 installation with default security settings, is the standard port open or closed? How can I tell. You can go to mcc security firewall and check that you want to allow Web Server. As you can see, I'm pretty new to webserving so all assistance is appreciated. Best regards from burning BC Bill W. Todd -- Name that tune #4: I said, There is no justice! as they led me out the door; and the judge said, This isn't a court of justice, son, this is a court of law. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
