[newbie] canon bjc610 printer

2002-10-13 Thread Dennis Sue

Hello, I have tried every possible thing I can find, read, and install to get 
this supported printer working.
The best I have yet to achieve is garbage character printout, and even that 
isn't consistent.
I am tired of editing, searching, reading, installing, removing, and looking.
I've had enough of this nonsense.
I am tired of spending countless hours, frustrated that little, just simply 
works, and ready to put windows on this #$% thing just so I can use my 
printer. Oh, and my unsupported digital camara ( which is an entirely 
different issue ).
Does anyone have, or know of a driver that I can install simply to make this 
#$^ thing operate correctly ?
Because I am at my wits end, and starting to see why Microsoft controls 90+% 
of the desktop.
I am running Mandrake 8.2 KDE2 ( Gnome doesn't work either, but Gnome does 
operate the cdr, KDE does not, why not ? I know not )



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Re: [newbie] canon bjc610 printer

2002-10-13 Thread Derek Jennings

I have not been following this thread, but anytime someone has difficulty with 
printer drivers it is worth giving TurboPrint a try  (apologies if it has 
already been suggested)
http://www.turboprint.de/english.html

Turbo print is not free and so cannot be bundled with Mandrake. It is however 
'no cost' for personal use.

For certain printers it will give substantially better print quality than the 
'free' (as in freedom) drivers.  For others it is little different.
Your printer is listed as supported by Turboprint.


HTH
http://www.turboprint.de/english.html

(BTW: If your printer manufacturer would write drivers for Linux like they do 
for Windows, then you would not have this difficulty)

derek


On Sunday 13 Oct 2002 5:03 pm, Dennis Sue wrote:
 Hello, I have tried every possible thing I can find, read, and install to
 get this supported printer working.
 The best I have yet to achieve is garbage character printout, and even that
 isn't consistent.
 I am tired of editing, searching, reading, installing, removing, and
 looking. I've had enough of this nonsense.
 I am tired of spending countless hours, frustrated that little, just simply
 works, and ready to put windows on this #$% thing just so I can use my
 printer. Oh, and my unsupported digital camara ( which is an entirely
 different issue ).
 Does anyone have, or know of a driver that I can install simply to make
 this #$^ thing operate correctly ?
 Because I am at my wits end, and starting to see why Microsoft controls
 90+% of the desktop.
 I am running Mandrake 8.2 KDE2 ( Gnome doesn't work either, but Gnome does
 operate the cdr, KDE does not, why not ? I know not )




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Re: [newbie] canon bjc610 printer

2002-10-13 Thread Dennis Sue

On Sunday 13 October 2002 12:18 pm, you wrote:
 I have not been following this thread, but anytime someone has difficulty
 with printer drivers it is worth giving TurboPrint a try  (apologies if it
 has already been suggested)
 http://www.turboprint.de/english.html

 Turbo print is not free and so cannot be bundled with Mandrake. It is
 however 'no cost' for personal use.

 For certain printers it will give substantially better print quality than
 the 'free' (as in freedom) drivers.  For others it is little different.
 Your printer is listed as supported by Turboprint.


 HTH
 http://www.turboprint.de/english.html

 (BTW: If your printer manufacturer would write drivers for Linux like they
 do for Windows, then you would not have this difficulty)

 derek

 Thank you again Derek, It worked like a charm.
And in response to your BTW : You are absolutely correct.
I realized that it isn't the fault of the O.S., But rather the manufacturer, 
This much I knew.
That is why you have to hack, and edit, and search, And hope that some kind 
soul has written something for you ( especially when you don't know how to 
yourself  ).

Rant coming next :

Personally, I think that  is a bunch of B.S.
Someone  ought to write a page (  easily found, say Mandrake.com ) containing 
manufacturers that support, and do not support users.
You could go there before buying something and see what kind of effort was / 
is made by said builder. Users could input their experiences as well. Have an 
e-mail link right there for people to fire off at, say Canon, with something 
like
  So I was in the store, mouth watering over your latest ( piece of whatever 
). I went home, Brought up Crappyvendorswhosoldtheirsoulstomicrosoft .org, 
and saw that you don't give a rat's %% about my .
How unfortunate that you don't think supporting users is in your best 
interest, Because Epson ( or whoever ) certainly does. Why they were more 
than willing to have my business, and were grateful for it.

I appreciate that people generously give their time, and effort to write 
drivers for older products, and willingly share them. I do not think that 
people should have to continue doing so.
I do not believe that Mandrake, or Red Hat, or any other distro  should have 
to write drivers, or basically beg vendors for some help.
So M.S. holds 90 % of the desktop, But 100 % of their victims are not going 
to buy product X from Manufacturer Y.
( I just had this conversation with HP two days ago, I don't know what anyone 
here thinks of HP,  I seriously doubt I will be sending any of my money their 
way in the near future).
Maybe start an advocacy of sorts. And when the day comes that builders write 
the Linux drivers along with the Windows drivers, ( because of popularity ) 
remember those companies that didn't bother to before it was popular to do so.
I could continue, but I'm sure most have hit delete by now.




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Re: [newbie] canon bjc610 printer

2002-10-13 Thread Derek Jennings


Good news about Turbo print working :-)
I have never needed to use it myself because my printer is not supported :-(

I do rather agree with your rant. My own printer is an HPDesket 720C which 
without my knowing when I bought it,  is a 'winprinter' in that it requires 
the PC to directly manage the print heads. There are 'free' drivers which 
work OK for text, but are pretty awful for graphics, and there is absolutely 
nothing I can do about it apart from buy a new printer. (I will do that when 
the ink runs out, as a printer does not cost much more than a couple of ink 
cartridges)

To be fair to HP they have seen the error of their ways, and no longer make 
'winprinters' and now sponsor an opensource project for Linux drivers for 
their current and future printers.Since so many people come to Linux with a 
printer already in their posession it is really a matter of chance how well 
it is going to work.  For anyone looking for a new printer I would suggest 
http://www.linuxprinting.org/ as a first stop. The site is run by Til 
Klamppeter (spelling?) who is a Mandrake employee, so Mandrake have a better 
than average chance of getting printer drivers right.

derek


SNIP
 Rant coming next :

 Personally, I think that  is a bunch of B.S.
 Someone  ought to write a page (  easily found, say Mandrake.com )
 containing manufacturers that support, and do not support users.
 You could go there before buying something and see what kind of effort was
 / is made by said builder. Users could input their experiences as well.
 Have an e-mail link right there for people to fire off at, say Canon, with
 something like
   So I was in the store, mouth watering over your latest ( piece of
 whatever ). I went home, Brought up
 Crappyvendorswhosoldtheirsoulstomicrosoft .org, and saw that you don't give
 a rat's %% about my .
 How unfortunate that you don't think supporting users is in your best
 interest, Because Epson ( or whoever ) certainly does. Why they were more
 than willing to have my business, and were grateful for it.

 I appreciate that people generously give their time, and effort to write
 drivers for older products, and willingly share them. I do not think that
 people should have to continue doing so.
 I do not believe that Mandrake, or Red Hat, or any other distro  should
 have to write drivers, or basically beg vendors for some help.
 So M.S. holds 90 % of the desktop, But 100 % of their victims are not going
 to buy product X from Manufacturer Y.
 ( I just had this conversation with HP two days ago, I don't know what
 anyone here thinks of HP,  I seriously doubt I will be sending any of my
 money their way in the near future).
 Maybe start an advocacy of sorts. And when the day comes that builders
 write the Linux drivers along with the Windows drivers, ( because of
 popularity ) remember those companies that didn't bother to before it was
 popular to do so. I could continue, but I'm sure most have hit delete by
 now.




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