Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 09:12:22PM -0700, Eric Huff wrote: mhmail -subject List etiquette reminder -from ListNazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /path/to/file/to/be/mailed Could you tell me how to set up sendmail (or whatever you like best) to do this? I did this: mv post post.orig % ln -s spost post as was suggested on the web for the EOF error, but now i get this: ~ $ mhmail -subject Ler -from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]twiki.txt send-mail: fatal: parameter inet_interfaces: no local interface found for 0.0.0.0 /usr/lib/nmh/post: exit 1 Letter saved in dead.letter Well, i configured postfix (just because it was there) and now i get no errors, but no mail either... ~ $ mhmail -subject Ler -from wre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/huff/twiki.txt ~ $ thanks for any help, eric Sorry, I can't help much with sendmail or Postfix. The line above where you use mhmail--you did that all on one line, right? (I assume it gives errors if you don't.) Can you send using mail? i.e., mail -s ler [EMAIL PROTECTED] file.txt Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
~ $ mhmail -subject Ler -from wre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/huff/twiki.txt Sorry, I can't help much with sendmail or Postfix. The line above where you use mhmail--you did that all on one line, right? (I assume it gives errors if you don't.) yep, all one line. Can you send using mail? i.e., mail -s ler [EMAIL PROTECTED] file.txt Same result: no errors, but no mail either. So, do you have any mail programs running that would let smtp work? Or does mail/mhmail just work for you? thanks, eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 07:59:51AM -0700, Eric Huff wrote: Can you send using mail? i.e., mail -s ler [EMAIL PROTECTED] file.txt Same result: no errors, but no mail either. So, do you have any mail programs running that would let smtp work? Or does mail/mhmail just work for you? I have postfix running. Sounds like sendmail/postfix is the problem. Maybe check out Dereck Jennings' postfix howto? Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
* Todd Slater ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This has been discussed here before, but I came up with a new (to me) twist. Hijacking a thread is when a list member wants to start a new thread, but instead of making a new mail, s/he reads a newbie mail and hits reply, erases the subject line and writes a new subject. This has always annoyed me since I like my MUA to display list mail in threads. But a real danger for folks who hijack is that their posts might get ignored or deleted. (I always delete hijacked posts on general principles.) Currently I use my mail's delete thread function to delete topics that don't concern me. If a lister hijacks one of those threads, then they are decreasing the number of eyes that might read that mail and amount of brains that might answer a question. That's because that mail gets counted as part of the thread, even though it's a totally different topic. It's called netiquette, and its all outlined in RFC1855. You can find a copy here http://radom.org/lostfound.php?id=117 dan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
- Original Message - From: Margot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 04:31 Subject: Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 16, 2003 12:21 pm, Margot wrote: [..] I subscribe to a lot of mailing lists, and many of them post a regular reminder of list netiquette, politely requesting no hijacking, top-posting, HTML or attachments, and briefly giving the reasons why these things are frowned upon. I don't have the technical skills to do this myself, but would someone here be able to compose a suitable message and automatically post it to the list - weekly maybe? Most newbies tend to lurk for a few days before posting, so most of them would see the message before making their first post to the list, and so would be able to avoid making embarrassing mistakes! Margot http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette - -- Thanks Charlie, that page is exactly what we need - now, does anyone have the technical expertise to post this link to the list on a weekly basis, with a short covering message, so that newbies who are really new to the list and haven't yet discovered the TWiki can find it? Margot that is a good suggestion. however, the wiki has grown alot since when it was set up, and now, for a noob, it is pretty bewildering. so a link to the wiki is useful, but not *that* useful unless you already what the question to ask is. also, the problem with consistent list reminders is content. the existing readers start ignoring it after a while, unless there is someone who consistently does a good and concise what's new section, or better still, generates content based on what's new at the wiki (and i think wat's currently on the wiki's Changes page is good enuff for the list reminder). and new readers more often than not need an immediate answer, meaning that may not lurk long enough to see the FAQ/List Reminder/watever u call it. sorry for the wet blanket. i know i'm highlighting problems w/o offering solutions Stormjumper Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
On Friday 17 Oct 2003 3:56 am, stormjumper wrote: Most newbies tend to lurk for a few days before posting, so most of them would see the message before making their first post to the list, and so would be able to avoid making embarrassing mistakes! Margot http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEti quette - -- Thanks Charlie, that page is exactly what we need - now, does anyone have the technical expertise to post this link to the list on a weekly basis, with a short covering message, so that newbies who are really new to the list and haven't yet discovered the TWiki can find it? Margot that is a good suggestion. however, the wiki has grown alot since when it was set up, and now, for a noob, it is pretty bewildering. so a link to the wiki is useful, but not *that* useful unless you already what the question to ask is. also, the problem with consistent list reminders is content. the existing readers start ignoring it after a while, unless there is someone who consistently does a good and concise what's new section, or better still, generates content based on what's new at the wiki (and i think wat's currently on the wiki's Changes page is good enuff for the list reminder). and new readers more often than not need an immediate answer, meaning that may not lurk long enough to see the FAQ/List Reminder/watever u call it. sorry for the wet blanket. i know i'm highlighting problems w/o offering solutions Stormjumper Not really a wet blanket, as problems are there to be solved. We have done a lot of work in the past month or so to make it more accessible, but the big problem is lack of feedback. What we really need to improve it, is for a few people to be able to spare some time to start from WebHome, follow the links that tell you how to use it, then report back to us what is awkward, and specifically what improvements they would like to see. There are areas on pages where discussion can take place, but I see no reason why they must be used for this purpose (leave that bit for the people looking for solutions, if you like). Just post comments to the list, and we'll see what can be done. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette Thanks Charlie, that page is exactly what we need - now, does anyone have the technical expertise to post this link to the list on a weekly basis, with a short covering message, so that newbies who are really new to the list and haven't yet discovered the TWiki can find it? Margot that is a good suggestion. however, the wiki has grown alot since when it was set up, and now, for a noob, it is pretty bewildering. They were suggedting postint the etiquette, not wiki note, though that's not a bad idea either. I' am swamped right now, but if someone can tell me how to send an email from the command line, i'll set up a cron for a etiquette reminder. I'm using sylpheed, and am the only user, so i never neeeded to set up smtp, or any other sendmail type progs. And sylpheed doesn't have a queue command from the command line. (it'll compose, and send, but you have to queue manually...) eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
On Friday 17 October 2003 19:43, Todd Slater wrote: If you're not subscribed from your local account, it'll require something else, like mhmail. I've done this for stats to a mailing list; the problem was that I was subsribed to the list from my isp's account, but the script only sent mail from my local user account. mhmail lets you specify who t he mail is from. mhmail -subject List etiquette reminder -from ListNazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /path/to/file/to/be/mailed (Note that's all one line) Todd Allmighty!!! You guys just hijacked this thread in broad daylight. The gall of it!!ROFLMAO Mazzeltof, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
mhmail -subject List etiquette reminder -from ListNazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /path/to/file/to/be/mailed (Note that's all one line) Cool! That's exactly what i was looking for. Sometime this weekend, you all might finds out i got it working. Allmighty!!! You guys just hijacked this thread in broad daylight. The gall of it!!ROFLMAO Hilarious! eric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using sylpheed, and am the only user, so i never neeeded to set up smtp, or any other sendmail type progs. And sylpheed doesn't have a queue command from the command line. (it'll compose, and send, but you have to queue manually...) mhmail -subject List etiquette reminder -from ListNazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /path/to/file/to/be/mailed Todd, Could you tell me how to set up sendmail (or whatever you like best) to do this? I did this: mv post post.orig % ln -s spost post as was suggested on the web for the EOF error, but now i get this: ~ $ mhmail -subject Ler -from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] twiki.txt send-mail: fatal: parameter inet_interfaces: no local interface found for 0.0.0.0 /usr/lib/nmh/post: exit 1 Letter saved in dead.letter I know it's a simple thing, but i have never messed with sendmail or ostfix before... thanks, eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
mhmail -subject List etiquette reminder -from ListNazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /path/to/file/to/be/mailed Could you tell me how to set up sendmail (or whatever you like best) to do this? I did this: mv post post.orig % ln -s spost post as was suggested on the web for the EOF error, but now i get this: ~ $ mhmail -subject Ler -from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]twiki.txt send-mail: fatal: parameter inet_interfaces: no local interface found for 0.0.0.0 /usr/lib/nmh/post: exit 1 Letter saved in dead.letter Well, i configured postfix (just because it was there) and now i get no errors, but no mail either... ~ $ mhmail -subject Ler -from wre [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/huff/twiki.txt ~ $ thanks for any help, eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
There are areas on pages where discussion can take place, but I see no reason why they must be used for this purpose (leave that bit for the people looking for solutions, if you like). Just post comments to the list, and we'll see what can be done. Anne roger that. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:46:13 +0100 Graham Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Todd Slater wrote: Hijacking a thread is when a list member wants to start a new thread, but instead of making a new mail, s/he reads a newbie mail and hits reply, erases the subject line and writes a new subject. This has always annoyed me since I like my MUA to display list mail in threads. But a real danger for folks who hijack is that their posts might get ignored or deleted. (I always delete hijacked posts on general principles.) Currently I use my mail's delete thread function to delete topics that don't concern me. If a lister hijacks one of those threads, then they are decreasing the number of eyes that might read that mail and amount of brains that might answer a question. That's because that mail gets counted as part of the thread, even though it's a totally different topic. I don't get worked up about it but it *is* bad manners. Or simple ignorance. It was in my case - did it several times before getting my knuckles rapped. -- Len Lawrence -- There is nothing wrong with abstinence, in moderation. -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] list nazi: hijacking
This has been discussed here before, but I came up with a new (to me) twist. Hijacking a thread is when a list member wants to start a new thread, but instead of making a new mail, s/he reads a newbie mail and hits reply, erases the subject line and writes a new subject. This has always annoyed me since I like my MUA to display list mail in threads. But a real danger for folks who hijack is that their posts might get ignored or deleted. (I always delete hijacked posts on general principles.) Currently I use my mail's delete thread function to delete topics that don't concern me. If a lister hijacks one of those threads, then they are decreasing the number of eyes that might read that mail and amount of brains that might answer a question. That's because that mail gets counted as part of the thread, even though it's a totally different topic. Just a thought. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
Todd Slater wrote: This has been discussed here before, but I came up with a new (to me) twist. Hijacking a thread is when a list member wants to start a new thread, but instead of making a new mail, s/he reads a newbie mail and hits reply, erases the subject line and writes a new subject. This has always annoyed me since I like my MUA to display list mail in threads. But a real danger for folks who hijack is that their posts might get ignored or deleted. (I always delete hijacked posts on general principles.) Currently I use my mail's delete thread function to delete topics that don't concern me. If a lister hijacks one of those threads, then they are decreasing the number of eyes that might read that mail and amount of brains that might answer a question. That's because that mail gets counted as part of the thread, even though it's a totally different topic. Just a thought. Todd I subscribe to a lot of mailing lists, and many of them post a regular reminder of list netiquette, politely requesting no hijacking, top-posting, HTML or attachments, and briefly giving the reasons why these things are frowned upon. I don't have the technical skills to do this myself, but would someone here be able to compose a suitable message and automatically post it to the list - weekly maybe? Most newbies tend to lurk for a few days before posting, so most of them would see the message before making their first post to the list, and so would be able to avoid making embarrassing mistakes! Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 16, 2003 12:21 pm, Margot wrote: [..] I subscribe to a lot of mailing lists, and many of them post a regular reminder of list netiquette, politely requesting no hijacking, top-posting, HTML or attachments, and briefly giving the reasons why these things are frowned upon. I don't have the technical skills to do this myself, but would someone here be able to compose a suitable message and automatically post it to the list - weekly maybe? Most newbies tend to lurk for a few days before posting, so most of them would see the message before making their first post to the list, and so would be able to avoid making embarrassing mistakes! Margot http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 12:37:41 up 26 days, 2:00, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.10, 0.05 well-adjusted, adj.: The ability to play bridge or golf as if they were games. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/juWKG11CaRuZZSIRAsHGAKCfqEJH8gHMMlrn1uTXVDL0xKgNxwCfX0/8 esFQ+3pMnfVSJrSH1KpFoEA= =94eN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
Todd Slater wrote: Hijacking a thread is when a list member wants to start a new thread, but instead of making a new mail, s/he reads a newbie mail and hits reply, erases the subject line and writes a new subject. This has always annoyed me since I like my MUA to display list mail in threads. But a real danger for folks who hijack is that their posts might get ignored or deleted. (I always delete hijacked posts on general principles.) Currently I use my mail's delete thread function to delete topics that don't concern me. If a lister hijacks one of those threads, then they are decreasing the number of eyes that might read that mail and amount of brains that might answer a question. That's because that mail gets counted as part of the thread, even though it's a totally different topic. I don't get worked up about it but it *is* bad manners. -- Graham Watkins On the whole, I preferred cats to women because cats seldom if ever used the word relationship.(Kinky Friedman - Greenwich Killing Time) Registered Linux user number 265254 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] list nazi: hijacking
Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 16, 2003 12:21 pm, Margot wrote: [..] I subscribe to a lot of mailing lists, and many of them post a regular reminder of list netiquette, politely requesting no hijacking, top-posting, HTML or attachments, and briefly giving the reasons why these things are frowned upon. I don't have the technical skills to do this myself, but would someone here be able to compose a suitable message and automatically post it to the list - weekly maybe? Most newbies tend to lurk for a few days before posting, so most of them would see the message before making their first post to the list, and so would be able to avoid making embarrassing mistakes! Margot http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette - -- Thanks Charlie, that page is exactly what we need - now, does anyone have the technical expertise to post this link to the list on a weekly basis, with a short covering message, so that newbies who are really new to the list and haven't yet discovered the TWiki can find it? Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
