Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files, cable connection between two boxes
On 16 Dec 2002 14:38:21 +1100 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 14:08, joe wrote: On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 16:42, FemmeFatale wrote: At 03:00 PM 12/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: . Stephen, can you share the internet with a crossover cable? Yes provided the cable goes to a Hub/router/whatevers Uplink Or #1 port. thats what that port is for. OK now I am confused (again), I was thinking from what Stephen wrote that my XP/mdk9.0 box would be connected to my 8.2 box with the crossover cable, and that (8.2) box would have another NIC connected to my cable modem as usual.I thought a hub/router/whatever was unnecessary with this setup. I also thought this would suffice for both file sharing and for sharing the cable connection.Was I wrong? Also what is the #1 port? Joe. Best and most simple set is: 2 NIC in one box - one connected to ADSL - the other to the local network. 1 NIC in the OTHER computer - using a crossover cable that plugs into the other computer for the local network. No major costs. Simple. -- As a person fairly new to networking with linux i can vouch... it's pretty simple. I turned my machines off, put in the NIC's, hooked the 2 together, then I re-installed all my OS's when I did it (i'd been tinkering too much and broke something AGAIN! lol but mdk is SO EASY to install on my machines) and it was all done in a flash! got a simple rc.firewall script and pow! It all worked first try and haven't had a single problem with it. Jerry. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files,cable connection between two boxes
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 01:07, Jerry wrote: On 16 Dec 2002 14:38:21 +1100 -- As a person fairly new to networking with linux i can vouch... it's pretty simple. I turned my machines off, put in the NIC's, hooked the 2 together, then I re-installed all my OS's when I did it (i'd been tinkering too much and broke something AGAIN! lol but mdk is SO EASY to install on my machines) and it was all done in a flash! got a simple rc.firewall script and pow! It all worked first try and haven't had a single problem with it. Jerry. I will have to look into this rc.firewall script. Not many people recommend using mandrake's firewall I have noticed (in fact the opposite, most recommend not using it). I have heard (from this list) that gshield is an easy way to set up a firewall so perhaps I will try it. I had been using guarddog with some success, but I am not entirely happy with it. To everyone, thanks for your advice. I am currently installing 8.2 and looking forward to playing with my new home network. Hopefully a re-install of 9.0 wont be necessary since I have just started to settle in with this one. p.s. I went with the extra NIC that some guy sold me used for $5. Hard to beat those prices. Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files, cable connection between two boxes
Of course, Stephen is very correct, and Brandon's two Option's work great, however... What's best from a standpoint of ease, security and performance is purchasing an internet gateway/router/firewall from Linksys. Mine is a four port switch, as well, but they also make even smaller units. I think the going rate for this device is around $70-80 USD. That may sound a little steep for your wallet, but consider these advantages over using a second NIC in the MDK 8.2 box: 1) Switches allow full duplex communication. Both your machines get 100% of the bandwidth for network and Internet. When your 8.3 machine is print spooling for the XP machine, you will appreciate the lighter feel on that machine while you are still trying to work or surf the Web. You set-it up through your Web browser for static addressing (my recommendation for this set-up), or go super-easy and let it DHCP the IP addresses for the two machines. Plug each machine into the device and your DSL or cable modem into the device. 2) While Linux's software firewall has a lot more options and control capability, a hardware firewall is always preferable since it is harder to hack. You can run both, if you are that paranoid. I would always opt for that extra warm feeling of a hardware firewall. In this case, it comes as part of the package. 3) You do not need to have your 8.2 machine running for the XP machine to surf the web! 4) When the time comes to add another machine, you can add either a tiny five port Linksys Workstation Switch to the device or a hub. With the cross-over, you still have to start over again. 5) The cost of the device will pay for itself over the cost of a second IP from your provider in the first or second year, depending on the amount you are asked to pay. The device will comfortably handle up to 32 computers simultaneous connections to one IP address from the high-speed source, depending on how you set the rest of the growing network up. None of this relieves the need for you to have 8.2 running for Samba services. Check out http://www.linksys.com for what they have. There are other brands that work.I make no bones about being very biased toward hardware devices to provide ancillary protection. I can be very cash poor at times, so I am not always able to go high-tech, either. You have choices. T :-) - Original Message - From: joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files, cable connection between two boxes On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 16:42, FemmeFatale wrote: At 03:00 PM 12/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: . Stephen, can you share the internet with a crossover cable? Yes provided the cable goes to a Hub/router/whatevers Uplink Or #1 port. thats what that port is for. OK now I am confused (again), I was thinking from what Stephen wrote that my XP/mdk9.0 box would be connected to my 8.2 box with the crossover cable, and that (8.2) box would have another NIC connected to my cable modem as usual.I thought a hub/router/whatever was unnecessary with this setup. I also thought this would suffice for both file sharing and for sharing the cable connection.Was I wrong? Also what is the #1 port? Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files,cable connection between two boxes
Stephen, Thanks for the quick reply. I am going to get my hands on another NIC and a crossover cable and will give this a try. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files,cable connection between two boxes
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 05:27, joe wrote: Stephen, Thanks for the quick reply. I am going to get my hands on another NIC and a crossover cable and will give this a try. :) You'll be surfin in style! -- Mon Dec 16 06:30:00 EST 2002 6:30am up 4 days, 22:52, 6 users, load average: 0.15, 0.16, 0.36 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn Optimism is the content of small men in high places. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Crack Up Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files, cable connection between two boxes
On Saturday 14 December 2002 11:01 pm, joe wrote: I was thinking of either a plain old hub (don't have the money for a router), or another NIC. Next most important consideration is ease of use, for a newb like me. Will be using either mdk 7 or 8.2 on one box (old pentium) and 9.0/XP on the other. TIA for any suggestions, words of wisdom. Joe. Sent my reply to Stephen instead of the list, wasn't watching what I was doing. However, my reply to this was, you can get a very inexpensive ethernet switch (8port for $30 so a four port should be less) and have both boxes surfing at the same time without packet collision problems. A nic in each puter and two cat 5 cables and you are good to go. Just another alternative. It makes for better surfing if both computers are on the internet at the same time. Stephen, can you share the internet with a crossover cable? If so I learned a new thing again today. HTH -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files,cable connection between two boxes
On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 16:42, FemmeFatale wrote: At 03:00 PM 12/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: . Stephen, can you share the internet with a crossover cable? Yes provided the cable goes to a Hub/router/whatevers Uplink Or #1 port. thats what that port is for. OK now I am confused (again), I was thinking from what Stephen wrote that my XP/mdk9.0 box would be connected to my 8.2 box with the crossover cable, and that (8.2) box would have another NIC connected to my cable modem as usual.I thought a hub/router/whatever was unnecessary with this setup. I also thought this would suffice for both file sharing and for sharing the cable connection.Was I wrong? Also what is the #1 port? Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files,cable connection between two boxes
On Mon, 2002-12-16 at 14:08, joe wrote: On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 16:42, FemmeFatale wrote: At 03:00 PM 12/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: . Stephen, can you share the internet with a crossover cable? Yes provided the cable goes to a Hub/router/whatevers Uplink Or #1 port. thats what that port is for. OK now I am confused (again), I was thinking from what Stephen wrote that my XP/mdk9.0 box would be connected to my 8.2 box with the crossover cable, and that (8.2) box would have another NIC connected to my cable modem as usual.I thought a hub/router/whatever was unnecessary with this setup. I also thought this would suffice for both file sharing and for sharing the cable connection.Was I wrong? Also what is the #1 port? Joe. Best and most simple set is: 2 NIC in one box - one connected to ADSL - the other to the local network. 1 NIC in the OTHER computer - using a crossover cable that plugs into the other computer for the local network. No major costs. Simple. -- Mon Dec 16 14:35:01 EST 2002 2:35pm up 5 days, 6:57, 6 users, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.08 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn Faith goes out through the window when beauty comes in at the door. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files,cable connection between two boxes
Option 1. You can connect two computers together with a x-over cable. This does require a 2nd NIC in your 8.2 box. The advantage is that you don't have to buy hub or switch. Also, you only really need to worry about having a firewall on the 8.2 box. It will protect the other box. The disadvantage is that if the 8.2 box is down for some reason, you lose Internet connectivity for the other computer. You'll also have to configure Internet Sharing. Not a big deal. Option 2. Buy a hub or switch, connect both computers and your cable modem to it. Have your cable company provide an additional IP for this second box. I know Cox charges something like 6 or 7 bucks for the second IP. Some side notes - With only 3 devices on a hub, you shouldn't see many collisions. The prices for NICs, hub and switches are so close (for decent ones) that it's pretty much a wash as far as price is concerned. HTH, ~Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 19:08, joe wrote: On Sun, 2002-12-15 at 16:42, FemmeFatale wrote: At 03:00 PM 12/15/2002 -0600, you wrote: . Stephen, can you share the internet with a crossover cable? Yes provided the cable goes to a Hub/router/whatevers Uplink Or #1 port. thats what that port is for. OK now I am confused (again), I was thinking from what Stephen wrote that my XP/mdk9.0 box would be connected to my 8.2 box with the crossover cable, and that (8.2) box would have another NIC connected to my cable modem as usual.I thought a hub/router/whatever was unnecessary with this setup. I also thought this would suffice for both file sharing and for sharing the cable connection.Was I wrong? Also what is the #1 port? Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] looking for easy, cheap, way to share files,cable connection between two boxes
I was thinking of either a plain old hub (don't have the money for a router), or another NIC. Next most important consideration is ease of use, for a newb like me. Will be using either mdk 7 or 8.2 on one box (old pentium) and 9.0/XP on the other. TIA for any suggestions, words of wisdom. Joe. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
