Re: Fwd: Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
so, Joe, can we count on you to be the resident win-modem in Mandrake at newbie helper? what we REALLY need is someone to help out all the winmodem owner/newbies when they write. Can I give them your e-mail address should they not receive a positive responce within say 48 hours? bigga snip For the record, the purpose of my post was not to say that everyone should embrace soft modems. The tendency on the list has been to slam them outright instead of offering support to the person requesting help. That does a disservice to the person asking the questions, discourages them from seeking further help from this forum and ultimately discourages trying linux as an alternative. For the benefit of those who pay per minute for internet access and those with slow connections, I do think it is time to let this topic die off. Let's just agree to disagree. Joe It's also important to understand that there's no answers available from this list, only opinions. Some of them just happen to be, or are intended to be helpful ;-} *Tom Brinkman Ed Tharp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
On Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:48:31 -0500, Joseph Braddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you telling me that by hooking up an external modem through a serial port, it's not taking any CPU cycles? Somehow, something in my computer has to read that port and process the data to get it to my browser, email, or hard drive. It might not use as much CPU cycles, but it uses some. Most people using winmodems are coming from windows. To tell a prospective new linux user to shell out $70 for an external (or internal) modem to run their free software won't win many converts. It's kind of like Microsoft offering free beta versions of software if you pay $19.95 for shipping and handling. I don't see how a design choice to minimize cost by utilizing excess CPU cycles is somehow parasitic or evil. For the record, I did some tests of using my winmodem and an external modem. For all practical purposes, the throughput was identical (neither reached 53K due to phone line quality). Neither seemed to slow down my system 450mhz AMD K62 196MB RAM. If someone is running Mandrake, then they are running a minimum of a pentium processor. Every adapter/peripheral in the computer uses CPU cycles to work. For the average newbie, using a winmodem to surf the web and check email is not going to be a resource hog for the CPU. If the CPU is so slow that a winmodem is a burden for it, then the $70 for a new modem would be better spent on a new motherboard/cpu. Serial ports have stayed mostly unchanged for over 20 years now. The load on a CPU back then was minimal, and it is negligible today. Winmodems rely on the system's CPU to do most of the work, placing a much larger drain on the processor. A typical winmodem can chew up between 10 and 30 per cent of a system's CPU power when in use. I sometimes wonder if the Linux community came up with linmodems instead of Windows, if there would be such an uproar over them. Yes, some of them can be a pain to get them working, but there are many, many winmodems that function quite well under Linux. This is true, but most of them either don't work at all or are not worth the trouble. Being a software modem, most of the development has been on the software (i.e. the driver), not the hardware. Companies are therefore reluctant to provide open source Linux drivers, since most of their intellectual property is tied-up in the software rather than in the hardware. Most winmodem support in Linux has been the result of painstaking reverse-engineering by open source developers, with no assistance from the manufacturers. They are essentially hacks (i.e. workable solutions), and often don't work as well as do their official Windows counterparts. A few manufacturers have released drivers for Linux, or have co-operated with open source developers to create one. If one owns one of these modems, and can stand the performance hit of a winmodem/linmodem, there is little reason to spend money on a real modem. I personally would still prefer a real modem, but that's simply a matter of personal choice. Joe On Monday 01 October 2001 11:58 pm, you wrote: You've actually missed the point about winmodems. It's not that they need a driver to work (If they'll work at all). The problem with them is that they shift the work that normally done by the modem, over to the main system processor, thus sucking valuable CPU cycles. They're parasitic by design, trash the blood suckers, and buy a real modem that does it's own work. Ric Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: Here here! Good post! I have a Lucent and it works Awesome on my Duron 800 at home. It even worked decently find with 166 and 200 Pentiums. Some of us have lives and need to pinch pennies. On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Joseph Braddock wrote: There sure is a lot of talk about modems and winmodems on this list. At times it sounds like a religious argument! But, I think we do a diservice to people by telling them to run out and buy a true modem whenever they pose a question about a winmodem. While it is true that a real modem (external or internal) is usually easier to setup/install. The fact is that many of these people already have the winmodem in their formerly Windows machines. Winmodems can be a good choice, particularly for the cost concious. I know that not all winmodems work with Linux, but many based on Lucent or PCTel chipsets do. The only problem is that you have to install a driver (usually open-source) for them. If having to install the driver is what causes a problem in recommending them, well, then, we better quit using NVida and most other graphic cards, numerous other IO adapters and the like. Ironically, for people coming from Windows, having to install a driver for a winmodem isn't a show stopper, since most winmodems need drivers installed under windows. (Now compiling the driver, etc.
Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
snip Joethe real winmodem problem is better explained below by the two selected quotes from Rick Moen's linuxmafia.com website: http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/ good link, thanks 'nother snip Theoretically, programmers could write substitute engine software for non-MS-Windows operating systems. This would have to be done separately for each OS and for each modem-type crippled in some distinctive way. Further, it would entail reverse-engineering each such design's programming interface, without cooperation from manufacturers who classify this as proprietary information. In any event, programmers seem highly unlikely to bother, because they find it far easier to buy real modems, instead. not to mention a jail term in the USA due to the DCMA. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
etharp wrote: snip Joethe real winmodem problem is better explained below by the two selected quotes from Rick Moen's linuxmafia.com website: http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/ good link, thanks You're quite welcome. :) 'nother snip Theoretically, programmers could write substitute engine software for non-MS-Windows operating systems. This would have to be done separately for each OS and for each modem-type crippled in some distinctive way. Further, it would entail reverse-engineering each such design's programming interface, without cooperation from manufacturers who classify this as proprietary information. In any event, programmers seem highly unlikely to bother, because they find it far easier to buy real modems, instead. not to mention a jail term in the USA due to the DCMA. True, that's a definate possibility, and I'm somewhat surprised that Rick hasn't yet updated the paragraph to reflect that danger. :) -- Alan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
Alan Shoemaker wrote: etharp wrote: snip Joethe real winmodem problem is better explained below by the two selected quotes from Rick Moen's linuxmafia.com website: http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/ The link is well worth a vist. Also, to put this in a better light for those that don't get the point of winmodems (IE: Can't understand why they need to buy a real modem) In short (I hate typing long winded explanations). Winmodems were produced to accomplish 2 things: 1) Reduce the cost of computers by reducing the cost of the components. Winmodems are much less expensive to produce since they lack the circuitry of a real modem. It's basically just a interface to a phone jack. The OS then has to act as the modem, putting asignificant load on the CPU. Yes, the CPU can usually bear the load of doing the work the Modem is supposed to. And if you're only interested in running games, and surfing the net, then you won't notice this, and probably don't need Linux anyway. Personally, I use my Linux boxes for other things, and I want the hardware to do what it's supposed to, so that my CPU can do what it's supposed to. 2) To marry you to Windows. Once you're running Win(crap) hardware, you can't defect, and run an alternative OS. Usually the cost inconvenience of upgrading that $100 speed demon box to a real computer is more than the average user will bear. Thus cementing their aligence to M$. Afterall, why change when M$(crap) is so cheap?!? Why should I spend more on hardware just to run Linux... If you want to run a real OS, you'll need real hardware. Haven't you wondered why a workstation class machine is so much more expensive? It's build to last, with quality parts. The bargain basement Multimedia Windows desktop machines just don't have that quality. They're the ones that cause so many people, so many odd problems. You gets whats you pays for. Ok, enough of my rant. Ric JHMO You're quite welcome. :) 'nother snip Theoretically, programmers could write substitute engine software for non-MS-Windows operating systems. This would have to be done separately for each OS and for each modem-type crippled in some distinctive way. Further, it would entail reverse-engineering each such design's programming interface, without cooperation from manufacturers who classify this as proprietary information. In any event, programmers seem highly unlikely to bother, because they find it far easier to buy real modems, instead. not to mention a jail term in the USA due to the DCMA. True, that's a definate possibility, and I'm somewhat surprised that Rick hasn't yet updated the paragraph to reflect that danger. :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
OK, I could understand the point about how bad winmodems are. But, I can proudly say that my winmodem is working really fine with Mandrake 8.0. It is a Motorola SM56. Probably the CPU is working harder but it is its duty ;-), after all I bought an Athlon 700 to be plenty of computational power :-). By the way, I want to say that Linux Mandrake is a wonderfull OS, and it is the first distribution that started fighting Windows in its own territory: being user frendly. My humble opinion is that if Linux wants to grow up as a real alternative OS, it has to be user friendly. I mean that people in general want a OS that melts with the hardware without work, cause they want the computer just like a tool in order to connect to internet, play a game, edit documents, etc. And I have to accept that Microsoft understood that need and acted accordingly. Of course I understand too, that Windows is very unstable, that is hardware greedy, that it might be considered like a pseudo OS, etc. but people paradojically is happy with it :-(. I think it is because it is easy to install. I think that if Linux does not support software modems, it is limiting its potential market and if you don't have market you don't have power to lure the hardware companies in order to support your operative system. I think it is a vicious circle and I think Linux has to give the first step in order to break it. Mandrake has done it, making an almost perfect and easy way to recognize hardware. Summing up, software modems are not real modems, but they are cheap and they are very common (in fact almost all PCI modems are software modems), a lot of people have them, and if trying Linux means to throw it away many of them quit trying Linux, and that is not good for Linux itself. Regards, Rafael Lepra -Mensaje original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]En nombre de Ric Enviado el: miércoles, 03 de octubre de 2001 17:07 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems Alan Shoemaker wrote: etharp wrote: snip Joethe real winmodem problem is better explained below by the two selected quotes from Rick Moen's linuxmafia.com website: http://www.linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/ The link is well worth a vist. Also, to put this in a better light for those that don't get the point of winmodems (IE: Can't understand why they need to buy a real modem) In short (I hate typing long winded explanations). Winmodems were produced to accomplish 2 things: 1) Reduce the cost of computers by reducing the cost of the components. Winmodems are much less expensive to produce since they lack the circuitry of a real modem. It's basically just a interface to a phone jack. The OS then has to act as the modem, putting asignificant load on the CPU. Yes, the CPU can usually bear the load of doing the work the Modem is supposed to. And if you're only interested in running games, and surfing the net, then you won't notice this, and probably don't need Linux anyway. Personally, I use my Linux boxes for other things, and I want the hardware to do what it's supposed to, so that my CPU can do what it's supposed to. 2) To marry you to Windows. Once you're running Win(crap) hardware, you can't defect, and run an alternative OS. Usually the cost inconvenience of upgrading that $100 speed demon box to a real computer is more than the average user will bear. Thus cementing their aligence to M$. Afterall, why change when M$(crap) is so cheap?!? Why should I spend more on hardware just to run Linux... If you want to run a real OS, you'll need real hardware. Haven't you wondered why a workstation class machine is so much more expensive? It's build to last, with quality parts. The bargain basement Multimedia Windows desktop machines just don't have that quality. They're the ones that cause so many people, so many odd problems. You gets whats you pays for. Ok, enough of my rant. Ric JHMO You're quite welcome. :) 'nother snip Theoretically, programmers could write substitute engine software for non-MS-Windows operating systems. This would have to be done separately for each OS and for each modem-type crippled in some distinctive way. Further, it would entail reverse-engineering each such design's programming interface, without cooperation from manufacturers who classify this as proprietary information. In any event, programmers seem highly unlikely to bother, because they find it far easier to buy real modems, instead. not to mention a jail term in the USA due to the DCMA. True, that's a definate possibility, and I'm somewhat surprised that Rick hasn't yet updated the paragraph to reflect that danger. :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http
Fwd: Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
On Wednesday 03 October 2001 03:06 pm, you wrote: Winmodems were produced to accomplish 2 things: 1) Reduce the cost of computers by reducing the cost of the components. Winmodems are much less expensive to produce since they lack the circuitry of a real modem. It's basically just a interface to a phone jack. The OS then has to act as the modem, putting asignificant load on the CPU. Yes, the CPU can usually bear the load of doing the work the Modem is supposed to. And if you're only interested in running games, and surfing the net, then you won't notice this, and probably don't need Linux anyway. Personally, I use my Linux boxes for other things, and I want the hardware to do what it's supposed to, so that my CPU can do what it's supposed to. That's not true. Winmodems came out at the same time as a number of digital signal processing units. It was for cost savings because a given DSP with the proper software could be a modem, soundcard, game controller or whatever. It is true that DSP devices use the CPU and that's why they weren't practical until high speed processors came out (actually 486). Think back to when modems went from 28.8 to 33.6 to 56K in about 12 months. For 56K, there were competing standards. Some modems had flash roms that could be updated, but most didn't (as a side, if a modem uses software onboard to change the way it works, isn't it still a software modem?). Updating flash roms was not something most users wanted to do, nor was flash ram cheap. DSP devices sought to solve that problem. No longer would you need to worry about modem standards and features changing. Just download the latest driver and you were ready to go. As for speed degragation, lets be real. An older Pentium runs at 166MHZ the most my modem (hard or soft) can do is 56K. The CPU utilization should be minimal (even the drivers have a small footprint). Nobody seems to slam ethernet cards because they have to run Samba to talk to a Windows network. Wouldn't the connection be faster if the ethernet card was hardwired for Samba? 2) To marry you to Windows. Once you're running Win(crap) hardware, you can't defect, and run an alternative OS. Usually the cost inconvenience of upgrading that $100 speed demon box to a real computer is more than the average user will bear. Thus cementing their aligence to M$. Afterall, why change when M$(crap) is so cheap?!? Why should I spend more on hardware just to run Linux... I bet if you did a survey, there are a lot more Linux boxes running on that cheap hardware than on 2GHZ boxes. If you want to run a real OS, you'll need real hardware. Haven't you wondered why a workstation class machine is so much more expensive? It's build to last, with quality parts. The bargain basement Multimedia Windows desktop machines just don't have that quality. They're the ones that cause so many people, so many odd problems. I always thought that a workstation class machine is so much more expensive because of proprietary parts and lack of competition, not because of the quality. The original IBM PC/XT was something like $4,000. An average midrange PC today is in the $1,000 to $2,000 range. Using your reasoning, the XT is the better hardware. For the record, the purpose of my post was not to say that everyone should embrace soft modems. The tendency on the list has been to slam them outright instead of offering support to the person requesting help. That does a disservice to the person asking the questions, discourages them from seeking further help from this forum and ultimately discourages trying linux as an alternative. For the benefit of those who pay per minute for internet access and those with slow connections, I do think it is time to let this topic die off. Let's just agree to disagree. Joe --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
Are you telling me that by hooking up an external modem through a serial port, it's not taking any CPU cycles? Somehow, something in my computer has to read that port and process the data to get it to my browser, email, or hard drive. It might not use as much CPU cycles, but it uses some. Most people using winmodems are coming from windows. To tell a prospective new linux user to shell out $70 for an external (or internal) modem to run their free software won't win many converts. It's kind of like Microsoft offering free beta versions of software if you pay $19.95 for shipping and handling. I don't see how a design choice to minimize cost by utilizing excess CPU cycles is somehow parasitic or evil. For the record, I did some tests of using my winmodem and an external modem. For all practical purposes, the throughput was identical (neither reached 53K due to phone line quality). Neither seemed to slow down my system 450mhz AMD K62 196MB RAM. If someone is running Mandrake, then they are running a minimum of a pentium processor. Every adapter/peripheral in the computer uses CPU cycles to work. For the average newbie, using a winmodem to surf the web and check email is not going to be a resource hog for the CPU. If the CPU is so slow that a winmodem is a burden for it, then the $70 for a new modem would be better spent on a new motherboard/cpu. I sometimes wonder if the Linux community came up with linmodems instead of Windows, if there would be such an uproar over them. Yes, some of them can be a pain to get them working, but there are many, many winmodems that function quite well under Linux. Joe On Monday 01 October 2001 11:58 pm, you wrote: You've actually missed the point about winmodems. It's not that they need a driver to work (If they'll work at all). The problem with them is that they shift the work that normally done by the modem, over to the main system processor, thus sucking valuable CPU cycles. They're parasitic by design, trash the blood suckers, and buy a real modem that does it's own work. Ric Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: Here here! Good post! I have a Lucent and it works Awesome on my Duron 800 at home. It even worked decently find with 166 and 200 Pentiums. Some of us have lives and need to pinch pennies. On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Joseph Braddock wrote: There sure is a lot of talk about modems and winmodems on this list. At times it sounds like a religious argument! But, I think we do a diservice to people by telling them to run out and buy a true modem whenever they pose a question about a winmodem. While it is true that a real modem (external or internal) is usually easier to setup/install. The fact is that many of these people already have the winmodem in their formerly Windows machines. Winmodems can be a good choice, particularly for the cost concious. I know that not all winmodems work with Linux, but many based on Lucent or PCTel chipsets do. The only problem is that you have to install a driver (usually open-source) for them. If having to install the driver is what causes a problem in recommending them, well, then, we better quit using NVida and most other graphic cards, numerous other IO adapters and the like. Ironically, for people coming from Windows, having to install a driver for a winmodem isn't a show stopper, since most winmodems need drivers installed under windows. (Now compiling the driver, etc. might be intimidating). I guess, what I'm trying to say is that if someone request help in choosing what kind of modem to purchase, buy all means, recommend a hardware modem. But if someone states they have such and such a modem and need help installing it, telling them to go out an buy another modem doesn't answer their question and really isn't of much help. Joe -- Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
You've actually missed the point about winmodems. It's not that they need a driver to work (If they'll work at all). The problem with them is that they shift the work that normally done by the modem, over to the main system processor, thus sucking valuable CPU cycles. They're parasitic by design, trash the blood suckers, and buy a real modem that does it's own work. Ric Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: Here here! Good post! I have a Lucent and it works Awesome on my Duron 800 at home. It even worked decently find with 166 and 200 Pentiums. Some of us have lives and need to pinch pennies. On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Joseph Braddock wrote: There sure is a lot of talk about modems and winmodems on this list. At times it sounds like a religious argument! But, I think we do a diservice to people by telling them to run out and buy a true modem whenever they pose a question about a winmodem. While it is true that a real modem (external or internal) is usually easier to setup/install. The fact is that many of these people already have the winmodem in their formerly Windows machines. Winmodems can be a good choice, particularly for the cost concious. I know that not all winmodems work with Linux, but many based on Lucent or PCTel chipsets do. The only problem is that you have to install a driver (usually open-source) for them. If having to install the driver is what causes a problem in recommending them, well, then, we better quit using NVida and most other graphic cards, numerous other IO adapters and the like. Ironically, for people coming from Windows, having to install a driver for a winmodem isn't a show stopper, since most winmodems need drivers installed under windows. (Now compiling the driver, etc. might be intimidating). I guess, what I'm trying to say is that if someone request help in choosing what kind of modem to purchase, buy all means, recommend a hardware modem. But if someone states they have such and such a modem and need help installing it, telling them to go out an buy another modem doesn't answer their question and really isn't of much help. Joe -- Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Modems?
John David Molina wrote: Any external modem should work. They are always real modems (not winmodems). I've heard that some USB external modems are winmodems. Randy Kramer
Re: [newbie] Modems?
Actually, about 85% of all USB modems are Winmodems. I've only actually seen one hardware modem that was USB personally, and it was a good $150+. I have a Viking USB modem that works beautifully in Windows, but when I tried to give it to a friend to use in Linux, I found out it doesn't work. tdh T. Holmes UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! | John David Molina wrote: | Any external modem should work. They are always real modems (not winmodems). | | I've heard that some USB external modems are winmodems. | | Randy Kramer | --
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Hi Michael sorry for answering a little late. Well the modem itself was at $56.95 when I bought it. I had to pay shipping too, which was 2day air. -Original Message- From: Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TezcatlipocA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, May 27, 2001 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Modems? Hi, Just curious, how much was it at Outpost.com? Thanks Michael On Sunday 27 May 2001 11:18 am, you wrote: Hi OOzy, I know of one. I bought an external (serial) because the internal one (winmodem) wouldn't work on Linux. I search for the cheapest ones on the internet and found this one at Outpost.com. It's an Elsa MicroLink 56K Internet. It is so tiny you would doubt about its speed. But let me tell you something, besides being a beauty with it's translucent blue top cover and wavy design, it is about 30% faster to download than my PCI modem (winmodem). I swear. I only have one problem, Win98 doesn't detect it but it works perfectly with Linux. If you are going to dual boot I would recomend installing it in Win first.
Re: [newbie] Modems?
El Sáb 26 May 2001 19:29, OOzy Pal escribió: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? OOzy Any external modem should work. They are always real modems (not winmodems). -- John David Molina
Re: [newbie] Modems?
John David Molina wrote: El Sáb 26 May 2001 19:29, OOzy Pal escribió: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? OOzy Any external modem should work. They are always real modems (not winmodems). -- John David Molina Check out this site. http://lhd.zdnet.com/ Or, you can go here for hardware info: http://www.linux.com/enhance/hardware/ Barry:-)
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http://lhd.datapower.com/db/searchproduct.cgi?_catid=11 -s On Monday 28 May 2001 07:58 pm, you wrote: Where can I find information about this? Kheb On Sat, 26 May 2001 19:13:43 -0500, s said: I been using a 3com/USRobotics pci Faxmodem (aka 5610) in several distros and versions. Never a problem In additon, the isa Diamond SupraExpress is also very easy to setup and works flawlessly in various distros and versions. Oh, I have set up the isa Creative Modem Blaster (or rather 8.0 set it up) and it works fine in Mandrake 8.0 (only distro tried with it). -s On Saturday 26 May 2001 05:29 pm, you wrote: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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hy! any non-winmodem(=every external modem) with a serial connector is easy to use with any linux (with any os)! with usb modems i dont know. external serial modems never need any software, they are all accessible via hayes-codes i.e. atz means reset, atdt 02020 means dial tone 02020, what makes the modem dial the number 02020. the only difference in setup between different external-serial modems is the different init-string the modem need. nowadays a simple atz should work fine for every modem. consider cable or t1, 56k is very slow. regards, mp Am Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 18:13 schrieb Irv Mullins: On Saturday 26 May 2001 15:29, you wrote: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? I'm using an Actionrtec 56k internal pci, cost ~$70 at WalMart, of all places. It comes with setup instructions for Linux (no software needed) and works a lot faster than my 'winmodem' , supposedly also 56k. Look on the box to make sure it sez works with Linux. Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Modems?
On Monday 28 May 2001 11:12, you wrote: hy! any non-winmodem(=every external modem) with a serial connector is easy to use with any linux (with any os)! with usb modems i dont know. external serial modems never need any software, they are all accessible via hayes-codes i.e. atz means reset, atdt 02020 means dial tone 02020, what makes the modem dial the number 02020. the only difference in setup between different external-serial modems is the different init-string the modem need. nowadays a simple atz should work fine for every modem. consider cable or t1, 56k is very slow. regards, mp Am Sonntag, 27. Mai 2001 18:13 schrieb Irv Mullins: On Saturday 26 May 2001 15:29, you wrote: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? I'm using an Actionrtec 56k internal pci, cost ~$70 at WalMart, of all places. It comes with setup instructions for Linux (no software needed) and works a lot faster than my 'winmodem' , supposedly also 56k. Look on the box to make sure it sez works with Linux. Regards, Irv MOST external modems are hardware/Hayes modems - there are a few external Winmodems appearing -- Poogle
Re: [newbie] Modems?
On Mon, 28 May 2001, mp wrote: hy! consider cable or t1, 56k is very slow. regards, mp That would be nice - if we had cable... T1 would be even better, but even if it were available, I don't think I really want to pay over $1,500 per month US for the privilege of reading this esteemed list ;) Regards, Irv
Re: [newbie] Modems?
Hi OOzy, I know of one. I bought an external (serial) because the internal one (winmodem) wouldn't work on Linux. I search for the cheapest ones on the internet and found this one at Outpost.com. It's an Elsa MicroLink 56K Internet. It is so tiny you would doubt about its speed. But let me tell you something, besides being a beauty with it's translucent blue top cover and wavy design, it is about 30% faster to download than my PCI modem (winmodem). I swear. I only have one problem, Win98 doesn't detect it but it works perfectly with Linux. If you are going to dual boot I would recomend installing it in Win first. TezcatlipocA On Saturday 26 May 2001 15:29, you wrote: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Modems?
On Saturday 26 May 2001 15:29, you wrote: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? I'm using an Actionrtec 56k internal pci, cost ~$70 at WalMart, of all places. It comes with setup instructions for Linux (no software needed) and works a lot faster than my 'winmodem' , supposedly also 56k. Look on the box to make sure it sez works with Linux. Regards, Irv
[newbie] Modems?
Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
RE: [newbie] Modems?
I just purchased the BestData 56K datafax internal modem model # 56SF today and it works fine in Linux! Had no problems at all. Mandrake picked it up without me doing anything. And it is not too expensive. Got it from CompUSA Walt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of OOzy Pal Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 6:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Modems? Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Modems?
That's going to depend a whole bunch on whether or not your still going to have an ISA interface in your new mobomost ISA modem would be well supported I think(I prefer 3Com-US Robotics)however if you only have PCI slots you really have to be careful your not just getting a winmodem even though the advertising says it's not because they LIE!!!. I would also check hardware compatibility lists and make sure you match the exact model number posted. - Original Message - From: OOzy Pal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: [newbie] Modems? Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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I been using a 3com/USRobotics pci Faxmodem (aka 5610) in several distros and versions. Never a problem In additon, the isa Diamond SupraExpress is also very easy to setup and works flawlessly in various distros and versions. Oh, I have set up the isa Creative Modem Blaster (or rather 8.0 set it up) and it works fine in Mandrake 8.0 (only distro tried with it). -s On Saturday 26 May 2001 05:29 pm, you wrote: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Modems?
I use an external USRobotics 56k. works fine... I think that most brand name external modems will work fine under linux On Saturday 26 May 2001 18:29, you wrote: Sorry guys for asking so much. I am trying to buy a new system and want to make sure that it Linux-ok. Anyone knows a good modem that work fine with Linux? = Regards, OOzy What is the purpose of life? __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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Just wondering if anyone can point me two a web page that lists Linux Compatable modems?? Thanks _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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On Tuesday 16 January 2001 01:27 pm, GrUnTiE GoOdInE wrote: Just wondering if anyone can point me two a web page that lists Linux Compatable modems?? Thanks do a Google search on 'winmodem' might work ; -- Tom Brinkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Galveston Bay
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You can find a good listing here for all hardware. http://lhd.zdnet.com/ Forever never goes beyond tomorrow. Charles (-: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of GrUnTiE GoOdInE Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Modems Just wondering if anyone can point me two a web page that lists Linux Compatable modems?? Thanks
Re: [newbie] Modems
On Tue, 16 January 2001, "GrUnTiE GoOdInE" wrote: Just wondering if anyone can point me two a web page that lists Linux Compatable modems?? Thanks _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Pulled these up from the 'newbie' archives: http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html http://www.linmodems.org http://walbran.org/sean/linux/linmodem-howto.html Hope these help. Barry :-) Surfree.com - nationwide internet access http://www.surfree.com
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On 16 Jan 2001 19:27:42 +, GrUnTiE GoOdInE wrote: Just wondering if anyone can point me two a web page that lists Linux Compatable modems?? Any external modem. Any modem that does NOT say WinModem is pretty much guaranteed to work. if it is a winmodem,try http://www.linmodems.org. Thanks _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. -- -- Michael J. Leone mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF Registered Linux user #201348 "Many loads of beer were brought. What disorder, whoring, fighting, killing and dreadful idolatry took place there!" Baltasar Rusow, Estonia, 16th century
RE: [newbie] Modems
Be careful, here, and don't buy a modem that is supposedly Linux compatible, thinking it will work for voice under Linux as well as data. I have 3 that were "green" on the list that didn't work. Needless to say, I wasted much time, money and effort. There is a separate list (much shorter) for ones that work in voice applications. Since I'm using MS Crap Outhouselook, I can't see where you are sending from, but if in the US, the Zytel modems gennerally work for voice, I believe as well as data and fax. I wish I has known that in the beginning. I found that somewhere off the mgetty page or list. Sorry, I didn't save the link, as it was a couple reloads ago. BobC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of GrUnTiE GoOdInE Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Modems Just wondering if anyone can point me two a web page that lists Linux Compatable modems?? Thanks _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
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Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? In general, do all external modems work well with Linux? Tom Brinkman is one of the most knowledgable people on this list, but I'm not sure what he was refering to as "nonsense". The short answer to your question is YES. "In general" almost ALL EXTERNAL modems will work with linux. There are VERY few exceptions. Mike -- Palm Beach County: We put the "duh" in Florida! Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
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Michael Scottaline wrote: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Huh? In general, do all external modems work well with Linux? Tom Brinkman is one of the most knowledgable people on this list, but I'm not sure what he was refering to as "nonsense". The short answer to your question is YES. "In general" almost ALL EXTERNAL modems will work with linux. There are VERY few exceptions. Mike -- Palm Beach County: We put the "duh" in Florida! Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail Thanks for pointing that out. -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293
Re: [newbie] MODEMS
Take a look at www.linmodems.org --- TiGereYe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello, Once somebody posted a web page that listed modems and if they are real modems or winmodems and if there is any linux drivers for them... does anybody have it?. plus i have a question...if it is a winmodem and there is no linux driver for it...is it basically rendered useless in linux? Yes! TC thanks TiGereYe - Accept No Substitutes - - Dont Start Racin Or I will Start Racin...Bets On That You'll Be Disgracin. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup __ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
[newbie] MODEMS
hello, Once somebody posted a web page that listed modems and if they are real modems or winmodems and if there is any linux drivers for them... does anybody have it?. plus i have a question...if it is a winmodem and there is no linux driver for it...is it basically rendered useless in linux? thanks TiGereYe - Accept No Substitutes - - Dont Start Racin Or I will Start Racin...Bets On That You'll Be Disgracin. __ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
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On Tuesday 07 November 2000 23:45, you wrote: hello, Once somebody posted a web page that listed modems and if they are real modems or winmodems and if there is any linux drivers for them... does anybody have it?. plus i have a question...if it is a winmodem and there is no linux driver for it...is it basically rendered useless in linux? www.linmodems.org -- "Death is merciful, for there is no return therefrom, but for him who has come back out of the nethermost chambers of night, haggard and knowing, peace rests nevermore" - Howard Phillips Lovecraft ICQ 4841244
Re: [newbie] modems, please help ....
Ok...through out the directions. They're not any good. Well, at least the one's that you're reading. There's a real easy way to set up your modem for use. Actually there are two easy ways for you to accomplish this. the first is the old fashioned way and that's to define your modem and dialup settings in Linux conf, and the second and easiest way is to use the KDE kppp dialup interface. That's the one that I'll tell you about since it's most like Windows that I'm sure you've already done yourself. To start out with if you're defining your modem as sitting on /dev/modem you're never you going to get the thing to work. No matter how much begging and pleading you do with it. It just ain't gonna work. Modem definition breaks down like this...as far as port defining is concerned. COM1 = /dev/ttyS0 = mouse COM2 = /dev/ttyS1 = modem COM3 = /dev/ttyS2 = modem COM4 = /dev/ttyS3 = modem In most situations everyone usually has the mouse on /dev/ttyS0 (COM1) and then the modem get's the next available COM port which is /dev/ttyS1 (COM2). If Mandrake didn't pick up your modem during the installation don't lose hope. This isn't proof positive that it's a winmodem, which by the way will NOT work in Linux. Now that we've discussed COM ports let's get on to the actuall config of the kppp dialup. Go to the Linux button on any desktop, except of course in Afterstep that has NO Linux (aka START) button and hit the button. This brings up the menus. You want to go to Networking--RemoteAccess--Kppp When you click on Kppp it brings up the KDE dialup interface with which you can configure a dialup connection and then launch that connection when you're done. First though when it comes up there's a splash screen with a check box in it. put a check in the box and you'll never see it again. Now you should be looking at the kppp interface. First thing you gotta do is tell it some information about your ISP. You've got to create an account. Very much as you would in Windows. Then you've got to define your hardware settings for the interface before it will work. And establish the IP numbers that your ISP has so gratuitously provided you with. You can do this by check the contents of each tab across the top. The information that is needed will be self-evident when you begin to "fill in the blanks". by hardware setting I mean this is the part where you tell it what COM port the modem is sitting on. Most likely your modem is on COM port 2, or in Lnux terms /dev/ttyS1. I belive this is set on the "modem" tab. You will also notice a check box that is already checked and says something about "file locking". Uncheck this box. If you leave it checked you won't be able to establish a connection. Next, you want to set the control to "none" and the field beneath that set to CR/LR and finally set your speed to 115xxx. On the next tab you should be able to set your modem volume and then query the modem to see if it's being pickup (recognized) by the interface. If your system resonds and all the query strings are empty this is a bad thing and probably indicates that it's very likely your modem us a "winmodem" and will not work. Empty query strings does not mean for certain this is the case, but in 7-10 times it does. The next tab are just some preference settings and while you should take a look at them it's not crucial to set these. They deal mostly with where the interface sits while you're online and it is active. I'm sorry I can't offer you a more detailed procedure description, but at the time I'm sitting at my workstation and I don't have linux running at the moment. YUCK! I had to get into windoze for a while to do some work on a project and I don't yet have access to the network for the penguin. Anyway...that's the long and the short of it. Good luck and enjoy, -- Mark Weaver Destiny Image Publishers IT dept/Reapernet.com Haroon Qureshi wrote: hello, i'm new to linux and am having problems getting my modem going. the directions that came with my mandrake linux siad that all i had to do was link my port that my modem is on to /dev/modem and then run minicom and if everything is good, i would see an ok returned. when i run minicom, i recieve a "cannot open /dev/modem; input/output error". i don't know what this means and have been unable to find any help on this. the modem works well under win 98 and it is not a winmodem (i verified this from the dealer and on the web). any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance, haroon Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
[newbie] modems
this is not mandrake specific but it is sort of linux related, are there any uk list members out there who have purchased an internal v90 modem recently pci or isa, that works under linux i.e. most likely to be a fully hardware modem? if so could you please let me knoe the make and model i have seen many modems that are described as hardware but turn out to be sort of half and half, from what i read there can be a difference between a controllerless modem and one that has an onboard controller (quite what that means i'm not sure) but still needs win specific softare to run, i've spoken to resellers on the phone but none seem to be willing to swear to functionality under non windows os. i came across one but it was too expensive for me (i forget exactly but it was 3com), i know external would sort out the problem but i specifically need an internal (on account of my current -lightning damaged one- installs as a third com port which i need as other two are used), i don't have usb on my machine either, please feel free to mail me direct as this is more of a personal problem than a problem with using linux bacule
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Bacule I do not live in the UK but here is a listing for a few internal modems that ARE hardware modems and will work in Linux. *US Robotics(3 Com).5610 *Actiontec...Call Waiting *Actiontec...DeskLink *Best Data...Smart One 56SE *DiamondMM..SupraExpress 56i *Hayes.Accura 56k. *Pace...Pace 56 Voice *Zoom..2919 Dual mode The Pace is manufactured in the UK so you should definitly be able to find it. Whichever you decide to choose get the specific model listed because all the above named companies sell Winmodems which you do not want. I hope this is of help to you. Charles - Original Message - From: "bascule" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: [newbie] modems this is not mandrake specific but it is sort of linux related, are there any uk list members out there who have purchased an internal v90 modem recently pci or isa, that works under linux i.e. most likely to be a fully hardware modem? if so could you please let me knoe the make and model i have seen many modems that are described as hardware but turn out to be sort of half and half, from what i read there can be a difference between a controllerless modem and one that has an onboard controller (quite what that means i'm not sure) but still needs win specific softare to run, i've spoken to resellers on the phone but none seem to be willing to swear to functionality under non windows os. i came across one but it was too expensive for me (i forget exactly but it was 3com), i know external would sort out the problem but i specifically need an internal (on account of my current -lightning damaged one- installs as a third com port which i need as other two are used), i don't have usb on my machine either, please feel free to mail me direct as this is more of a personal problem than a problem with using linux bacule
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just the sort of thing, thanks bascule Charles A Edwards wrote: Bacule I do not live in the UK but here is a listing for a few internal modems that ARE hardware modems and will work in Linux. *US Robotics(3 Com).5610 *Actiontec...Call Waiting *Actiontec...DeskLink *Best Data...Smart One 56SE *DiamondMM..SupraExpress 56i *Hayes.Accura 56k. *Pace...Pace 56 Voice *Zoom..2919 Dual mode The Pace is manufactured in the UK so you should definitly be able to find it. Whichever you decide to choose get the specific model listed because all the above named companies sell Winmodems which you do not want. I hope this is of help to you. Charles - Original Message - From: "bascule" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
Re: [newbie] modems
most external modems will work equally as well - a lot of internal modems are "winmodems" which rely on windows to drive them and will NOT work under linux, tell us more about your cd player problem On Wed, 03 May 2000, you wrote: could anyone tell me the brand of modem is best to use with both win 98 and linux also the cd player on linux will not play
[newbie] modems
could anyone tell me the brand of modem is best to use with both win 98 and linux also the cd player on linux will not play
Re: [newbie] modems
I have had alot of luck with USR 56K Modems. No win modems will do. gerald green wrote: could anyone tell me the brand of modem is best to use with both win 98 and linux also the cd player on linux will not play
Re: [newbie] modems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have a Us Robotics modem and and have installed Mandrake 7 successfully. But the new hardware detector does find the modem but when I get into the KDE and try kppp or linuxconfig I get nothing . I have 4 serial ports 1 of which has a mouse attached one of the others I think is doesn't work and the other 2 are on an expansion card. Any help in setting up modems/ detecting them and getting them to work would be nice. Regards Adrian Mann --snipped copyright notice as long as the message-- Is pnp (plug n Play) os turned off in your bios settings?
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Answers below. . . . Regards Adrian Mann Technical Consultant Intentia Uk. |++| || "Stephen F. Bosch" || || [EMAIL PROTECTED]| To: | || Sent by: | newbie@linux-mandrake| || sfbosch@mandrakesoft.| .com | || mandrakesoft.com | cc: | ||| Subject: | || 18/04/00 04:58 PM | Re: [newbie] modems | || Please respond to|| || newbie || |||| |++| [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have a Us Robotics modem and and have installed Mandrake 7 successfully. But the new hardware detector does find the modem but when I get into the KDE and try kppp or linuxconfig I get nothing . I have 4 serial ports 1 of which has a mouse attached one of the others I think is doesn't work and the other 2 are on an expansion card. Any help in setting up modems/ detecting them and getting them to work would be nice. *chuckles* Okay -- you gotta tell us where you connected the modem, though. I wish I were clairvoyant (x-ray vision would be nice, too -- but I digress). Sadly, I am not. Is it internal? External? --- External What port did you put it on? ---port3 ( ithink) What /dev file is kppp pointing to? it was /dev/modem but that did nothing so I changed it to tty2 in kppp and now it says it is busy , even though its not in use . If it's /dev/modem, is there a symbolic link called /dev/modem that is pointing to the appropriate serial port? Get back to us with answers to these important questions. =) -Stephen-
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have a Us Robotics modem and and have installed Mandrake 7 successfully. But the new hardware detector does find the modem but when I get into the KDE and try kppp or linuxconfig I get nothing . I have 4 serial ports 1 of which has a mouse attached one of the others I think is doesn't work and the other 2 are on an expansion card. Any help in setting up modems/ detecting them and getting them to work would be nice. *chuckles* Okay -- you gotta tell us where you connected the modem, though. I wish I were clairvoyant (x-ray vision would be nice, too -- but I digress). Sadly, I am not. Is it internal? External? What port did you put it on? What /dev file is kppp pointing to? If it's /dev/modem, is there a symbolic link called /dev/modem that is pointing to the appropriate serial port? Get back to us with answers to these important questions. =) -Stephen-
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the way I had to do mine...was uninstall any or all modems...from com2 or anywhere on your system... then start from scratch...allowing the modem you'll be using for linux to be setup first...on com2...then proceed with any other modem setup afterward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have a Us Robotics modem and and have installed Mandrake 7 successfully. But the new hardware detector does find the modem but when I get into the KDE and try kppp or linuxconfig I get nothing . I have 4 serial ports 1 of which has a mouse attached one of the others I think is doesn't work and the other 2 are on an expansion card. Any help in setting up modems/ detecting them and getting them to work would be nice. Regards Adrian Mann Technical Consultant Intentia Uk. This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any use, disclosure, copying or distribution of the information is prohibited. In such case, you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply e-mail.The views expressed in this e-mail and any attachments are personal and, unless stated explicitly, do not represent the views of Intentia (UK) Ltd. Furthermore, Intentia (UK) will not be bound by this e-mail. -- ===KompuKit=== Kit Goins ICQ# 7110071 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Lowell, Mass. Web Designer http://kitdesigns.bizhosting.com WebServer:http://kompukit.dyndns.org (Server Runs between M-F 6pm-12am,S+S 12pm-12am EST) ===KompuKit===
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In a message dated 04/18/2000 4:14:07 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have a Us Robotics modem and and have installed Mandrake 7 successfully. But the new hardware detector does find the modem but when I get into the KDE and try kppp or linuxconfig I get nothing . I have 4 serial ports 1 of which has a mouse attached one of the others I think is doesn't work and the other 2 are on an expansion card. Any help in setting up modems/ detecting them and getting them to work would be nice. *chuckles* Also, is it a hardward modum (for Linux) or a software modum (for Windows)? 'A Slave To The Drive To Obsession- A Spirit With A Vision, Is A Dream With A Mission' -Rush 'Mission' -Chris Rasputin http://www.angelfire.com/ne/rasputin1/Rasputin.html
[newbie] modems and soud cards
how do you set up internal modems and soundcards in ,linux-mandrake-7.0 regards andrew doe (happy linux user)
RE: [newbie] modems and soud cards
To setup a simple sound card, you open a terminal session in Mandrake (as root), and type "sndconfig" without the quotes. Then follow the simple prompts. Since I don't have a modem at work I can't help with that. Although the installation manual available on mandrakes wonderful web site does detail the steps to do that. Greg -Original Message-From: Andrew Doe (Web master) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 7:43 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [newbie] modems and soud cards how do you set up internal modems and soundcards in ,linux-mandrake-7.0 regards andrew doe (happy linux user)
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I don't know if this is inappropriate but I have a bunch of usRob external 28.8 and 33.6 modems. Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for info. - Original Message - From: Pittman, Merle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] newest version of mandrake or redhat... Not completely sure, but I think Mandrake 7.02 fully supports the USB connection. As far as winmodems, you are out of luck. Since these modems use windows software emulation to operate then linux kernel itself will likely never support it. however, I have heard of some emulation software for winmodems but don't know how effective it is. The make this make that stuff is kernel compiling for module updates. Try reading a Kernel HOWTO at linux.org or something. -Original Message- From: toie [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 6:12 PM To: Newbie Subject: [newbie] newest version of mandrake or redhat... can anyone tell me what version of either of these is going to support winmodems and usb ethernet cards...? thanks... also can anyone give me a really general explination of the whole .tar.gz files...and the make this and make install that...i want to use some patches for things but i need to know more about the make this and that thing...thanks toie
[newbie] modems supported
hi there everyone and anyone. the linux mandrake website does not list out modems which are supported, but rather states: "Most of serial modems are supported. Most of "Win-modem" are NOT and will never be supported." could someone please tell me if there is a list for modems supported by mandrake? thanx!
Re: [newbie] modems supported
The Mandrake site did a pretty good job, but Linux also easily supports ISA jumper modems. It supports ISA PNP modems, but they are a little tricky to setup. From: "Hirnay" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] modems supported Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:31:48 +1300 hi there everyone and anyone. the linux mandrake website does not list out modems which are supported, but rather states: "Most of serial modems are supported. Most of "Win-modem" are NOT and will never be supported." could someone please tell me if there is a list for modems supported by mandrake? thanx! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] modems supported
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, you wrote: hi there everyone and anyone. the linux mandrake website does not list out modems which are supported, but rather states: "Most of serial modems are supported. Most of "Win-modem" are NOT and will never be supported." could someone please tell me if there is a list for modems supported by mandrake? thanx! Content-Type: text/html; name="unnamed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: First of all, posting in HTML is considered "poor Nettiquette" in this list, as many, if not most, of us do not use html-enabled mail clients; HTML is a waste of bandwidth for email and doesn't look NEARLY as "pretty" on our screens as it does on yours. Second, as to your question, 99.999% of all standard external serial modems will be supported by ANY version of Linux. 99.999% of internal PCI modems are controllerless "WinModems" and as such are not supported well, if at all, by most versions of Linux, Mandrake included. There is no specific list, to my knowledge of modems that MANDRAKE supports. However, there is an incomplete list (simply due to the fact that so many modems are coming out so fast that it's impossible to keep up with all of them) of modems which are "known good" in linux and "known bad" in Linux (i.e. controllerless / WinModems.) This list exists at http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html The above list shows modems that will and won't work in Linux. Basically your best bet is to look at the system requirements. Shy away from ANY PCI modems (there are a couple NON-WinModems which are PCI, but they're few and far between!) as well as any which list ANY version of Windows in the system requirements. Also, Linux has very basic support for USB at this point, so I'd stay away from a USB modem. 99.999% of standard external serial modems will work in Linux. Period. 95%+ of all ISA internal modems will work with Linux, especially if they have jumpers and/or dip switches to set which com port, irq and i/o you want to use. John
Re: [newbie] modems supported
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999, you wrote: hi there everyone and anyone. the linux mandrake website does not list out modems which are supported, but rather states: "Most of serial modems are supported. Most of "Win-modem" are NOT and will never be supported." could someone please tell me if there is a list for modems supported by mandrake? http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html towards the bottom of the page look for a link to 'view entire table' This list is updated frequently, but is never complete. A search of 'hardware modem' at www.pricewatch.com will return about 25 hardware modems starting at $26 -- .. Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: [newbie] modems for Linux
I personally recommed a 3COM/USR 56K V.Everything internal modem. It works in Win95, WinNT4, and Linux. I have never had a problem and 3COM is a very reputable company. The throughput on the modem is great. Check out http://www.pricewatch.com or http://www.shopper.com for the best prices. HTH, Matt From: "Lovister LJ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] modems for Linux Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:02:03 PST Hi, Can anybody send me a complete lists of current brands and models of modems for Linux? I have tempted to go ahead and buy from a vendor but I know the vendor will tell the wrong things about the modems that are supported by Linux. Can anybody help me? __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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try http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html for a fairly complete list of linux compatible modems "M Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I personally recommed a 3COM/USR 56K V.Everything internal modem. It works in Win95, WinNT4, and Linux. I have never had a problem and 3COM is a very reputable company. The throughput on the modem is great. Check out http://www.pricewatch.com or http://www.shopper.com for the best prices. HTH, Matt >From: "Lovister LJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [newbie] modems for Linux >Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:02:03 PST > >Hi, > Can anybody send me a complete lists of current brands and models >of modems for Linux? I have tempted to go ahead and buy from a vendor but I >know the vendor will tell the wrong things about the modems that >are supported by Linux. Can anybody help me? > >__ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
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Thanks Joey. I can now choose a modem for my PC. From: "JMJ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] modems for Linux Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:45:35 -0600 On 26 Nov 99, at 18:02, Lovister LJ wrote: Can anybody send me a complete lists of current brands and models of modems for Linux? Perhaps this is the info that you're looking for... http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html Joey M. Jackson "Look, I'm a Knight, I'm supposed to face as much peril as I can." Michael Palin as Sir Galahad __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Thanks, Mike I greatly appreciate your help. Thanks again. From: Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [[newbie] modems for Linux] Date: 27 Nov 99 04:40:14 EST "Lovister LJ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can anybody send me a complete lists of current brands and models of modems for Linux? I have tempted to go ahead and buy from a vendor but I know the vendor will tell the wrong things about the modems that are supported by Linux. Can anybody help me? Just get an external. Virtually any of them should work with linux. I'll recommend USRobotics 56k v.90 faxmodem. If you must get an internal, be certain it is an ISA. Make certain that the box doesn't indicate that Win 9x is a requirement. Mike Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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"Lovister LJ" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can anybody send me a complete lists of current brands and models of modems for Linux? I have tempted to go ahead and buy from a vendor but I know the vendor will tell the wrong things about the modems that are supported by Linux. Can anybody help me? Just get an external. Virtually any of them should work with linux. I'll recommend USRobotics 56k v.90 faxmodem. If you must get an internal, be certain it is an ISA. Make certain that the box doesn't indicate that Win 9x is a requirement. Mike Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] modems for Linux
On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hi, Can anybody send me a complete lists of current brands and models of modems for Linux? I have tempted to go ahead and buy from a vendor but I know the vendor will tell the wrong things about the modems that are supported by Linux. Can anybody help me? Hmmm, a complete list? My ZOOM 2919 dualmode works fine (contrary to Bynari's claim that it wasn't a supported device), but the plug n play feature I think was only for windoze. Just know which IRQ and COM port you need to use, set the jumpers (they're labled), put it in an empty slot, plug in your phone lines, open kppp, under the modem tab, set it for the corresponding port (COM1=ttys0, 2=1, etc.), enter your dial-up settings, click ok, click connect, and all should be well. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
[newbie] MOdems that work with linux
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just installed Linux Mandrake 6.0 a few days ago. Now i found out that my modem only works in windows. What type of modem do i get that would work with linux? What brand of modem would work good with linux? there is a compatibility knowledge base with loasdsa comaptible/incompatible modems listed. find it here: http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
Re: [newbie] modems
Meanie [EMAIL PROTECTED] scritto: Gilbert Espinosa wrote: Jason Cotterell wrote: I have used modemtool to set cua0 to use, I've tried adjusting the volume settings in modem commands from Kppp I've setserial to configure the ports all that happens though is the modem will be ready, then try and set the speaker volume, forever. It won't get past that part... I've even tried the isapnpconf to use the PnP, and it didn't change anything , so now I'm still stuck!!! I don't know anything else to do, and if someone helps me, I'll promise to always post in English lol jacott or The Flying Nun Hello: cua0 is Com 1 under Windows/Dos. Are you sure your modem is at Com 1? Modems are usually in Com 3 if you're mouse is in Com 2 and Com 4 if your mouse is in Com 1. You can't have a setting other than : Com 1 : Mouse = Com 4 : Modem Com 2 : Mouse = Com 3 : Modem This is because most PC's are only allowed 2 serial ports. Usually, Internal Modems have a Com 4 setting which means you have to set it to cua3, External Modems have Com 3 which is cua2 in Linux. That's all that I can suggest for now. Gilbert Does this apply to busmouses (busmice?)? No, for example PS/2 mouse don't use a com but often COM1 COM2 was used and installed directly by BIOS so there aren't disponible to accept a modem. So a modem appear or in COM3 or in COM4 (internal only, ext will be connect to a installed COM as 1 or 2) _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it
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At 05:49 06/05/99 -0500, you wrote: Com 1 : Mouse = Com 4 : Modem Com 2 : Mouse = Com 3 : Modem This is because most PC's are only allowed 2 serial ports. Usually, Internal Modems have a Com 4 setting which means you have to set it to cua3, External Modems have Com 3 which is cua2 in Linux. That's all that I can suggest for now. Gilbert Does this apply to busmouses (busmice?)? Sorry, I can't answer that one. 8^( Gilbert That's cool.. just wondering, cause I've got my mouse on COM2 (or so I think -- at least that's what Windows tells me) which would translate into cua1 and my modem is on cua0. BUT it is a PS/2 mouse, which obviously isn't a serial mouse... just making sure I wasn't going to wind up with some bizarre resource conflict at some point in the future... =) -- Meanie If the mouse is a PS2 (aka busmouse) then it doesn't use any of the COM resources (it's on it 12 if I remember correctly) therefore you can put the modem on com1 _or_ com2 without any hassle. ttfn nick @nexnix
[newbie] modems
I have used modemtool to set cua0 to use, I've tried adjusting the volume settings in modem commands from Kppp I've setserial to configure the ports all that happens though is the modem will be ready, then try and set the speaker volume, forever. It won't get past that part... I've even tried the isapnpconf to use the PnP, and it didn't change anything , so now I'm still stuck!!! I don't know anything else to do, and if someone helps me, I'll promise to always post in English lol jacott or The Flying Nun
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Jason Cotterell wrote: I have used modemtool to set cua0 to use, I've tried adjusting the volume settings in modem commands from Kppp I've setserial to configure the ports all that happens though is the modem will be ready, then try and set the speaker volume, forever. It won't get past that part... I've even tried the isapnpconf to use the PnP, and it didn't change anything , so now I'm still stuck!!! I don't know anything else to do, and if someone helps me, I'll promise to always post in English lol jacott or The Flying Nun Hello: cua0 is Com 1 under Windows/Dos. Are you sure your modem is at Com 1? Modems are usually in Com 3 if you're mouse is in Com 2 and Com 4 if your mouse is in Com 1. You can't have a setting other than : Com 1 : Mouse = Com 4 : Modem Com 2 : Mouse = Com 3 : Modem This is because most PC's are only allowed 2 serial ports. Usually, Internal Modems have a Com 4 setting which means you have to set it to cua3, External Modems have Com 3 which is cua2 in Linux. That's all that I can suggest for now. Gilbert
Re: [newbie] modems
Gilbert Espinosa wrote: Jason Cotterell wrote: I have used modemtool to set cua0 to use, I've tried adjusting the volume settings in modem commands from Kppp I've setserial to configure the ports all that happens though is the modem will be ready, then try and set the speaker volume, forever. It won't get past that part... I've even tried the isapnpconf to use the PnP, and it didn't change anything , so now I'm still stuck!!! I don't know anything else to do, and if someone helps me, I'll promise to always post in English lol jacott or The Flying Nun Hello: cua0 is Com 1 under Windows/Dos. Are you sure your modem is at Com 1? Modems are usually in Com 3 if you're mouse is in Com 2 and Com 4 if your mouse is in Com 1. You can't have a setting other than : Com 1 : Mouse = Com 4 : Modem Com 2 : Mouse = Com 3 : Modem This is because most PC's are only allowed 2 serial ports. Usually, Internal Modems have a Com 4 setting which means you have to set it to cua3, External Modems have Com 3 which is cua2 in Linux. That's all that I can suggest for now. Gilbert Does this apply to busmouses (busmice?)?
Re: [newbie] modems
Meanie wrote: Gilbert Espinosa wrote: Jason Cotterell wrote: I have used modemtool to set cua0 to use, I've tried adjusting the volume settings in modem commands from Kppp I've setserial to configure the ports all that happens though is the modem will be ready, then try and set the speaker volume, forever. It won't get past that part... I've even tried the isapnpconf to use the PnP, and it didn't change anything , so now I'm still stuck!!! I don't know anything else to do, and if someone helps me, I'll promise to always post in English lol jacott or The Flying Nun Hello: cua0 is Com 1 under Windows/Dos. Are you sure your modem is at Com 1? Modems are usually in Com 3 if you're mouse is in Com 2 and Com 4 if your mouse is in Com 1. You can't have a setting other than : Com 1 : Mouse = Com 4 : Modem Com 2 : Mouse = Com 3 : Modem This is because most PC's are only allowed 2 serial ports. Usually, Internal Modems have a Com 4 setting which means you have to set it to cua3, External Modems have Com 3 which is cua2 in Linux. That's all that I can suggest for now. Gilbert Does this apply to busmouses (busmice?)? Sorry, I can't answer that one. 8^( Gilbert
[newbie] modems
i have been having an exceedingly difficult time configuring my modem it is a 56K V.90 Cardinal modem please help me
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What BUS does the modem operate on PCI or ISA or is it externel and chould you elaborate on your problems?
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it is an ISA modem when i try to dial it will say "modem ready" and then "setting sound level" and do nothing else... it is set up for plug and play (all jumpers off) but i can easily change that if i need to
Re: [newbie] modems
it is an ISA modem when i try to dial it will say "modem ready" and then "setting sound level" and do nothing else... it is set up for plug and play (all jumpers off) but i can easily change that if i need to Do you still have the packaging/manual for it, dowes that say if it's a "win modem" or regular? if it's got Plug 'n pray jumpers on it it's most likley a winmodem in which case it will not work |~~~| |It's not the size of the dog in the fight -| | It's the size of the fight in the dog| |~~~|
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Roberto Angelo wrote: Jason Cotterell [EMAIL PROTECTED] scritto: it is an ISA modem when i try to dial it will say "modem ready" and then "setting sound level" and do nothing else... it is set up for plug and play (all jumpers off) but i can easily change that if i need to Jason, Check it out. Follow these instructions (if you want to run it PnP) and it "should" work... it's how I finally got mine working (thanks everybody for the advice!) Since I gave you that modem, I know it isn't a Winmodem. =P However, if your sound card stops working then it's probably a PnP conflict of some kind and you'll actually have to configure it yourself. run 'pnpdump |more' and see if the modem is listed in the text it spits out. If it is, you're off to a good start... just run 'pnpdump /etc/isapnp.conf' to create your isapnp.conf file. Isapnp *should* be running at startup for you since we have similar installations so you don't have to worry about that. Check isapnp.conf for the port and IRQ that the serial port is using, then setserial that port and ensure that it is configured. For example, if isapnp set it up on ttyS0 (COM1) do 'setserial ttyS0' at the command line to see if it is configured the way it should be. Next edit isapnp.conf in your favorite editor and make sure that the lines '(ACT Y)' and '(WAITFORKEY)' are uncommented -- not prefaced by "#" -- and that there is only one of the latter and it's at the end. Then use setserial again. For example, if you are going to use COM1 (ttyS0) you should 'setserial cua0' and make sure the UART is 16500a. If not, make it so. This worked for me... being a total newbie myself, my methods could have been completely erroneous, but hey-- it worked and I can get online now with no problems. =) -- Meanie
Re: [newbie] Modems that will work w/Linux
http://www.kc.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html This is a site that lists modems that will work with Linux. Some will not, you know, as they are winmodems. Linda At 05:57 PM 4/29/99 -0400, you wrote: I plan on installing linux here in a few days, and with installing I plan on buying a new modem. I was wondering which is the fastest/best? Anybody have any good experiences with some modems? I am currently using Earthlink as my ISP. Thanks... -soco
Re: [newbie] Modems that will work w/Linux
I have good luck with US Robotics sporter. I use it for both Linux and win95, each of which has its own hard drive on my computer. To use it in Linux, I disable the plug and play in the BIOS. Steve W At 05:57 PM 4/29/99 -0400, you wrote: I plan on installing linux here in a few days, and with installing I plan on buying a new modem. I was wondering which is the fastest/best? Anybody have any good experiences with some modems? I am currently using Earthlink as my ISP. Thanks... -soco HR html font size=3a href="http://www.kc.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html" eudora="autourl"http://www.kc.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html/abr br This is a site that lists modems that will work with Linux.nbsp; Some will not, you know, as they are winmodems.br br Lindabr br At 05:57 PM 4/29/99 -0400, you wrote:br gt;I plan on installing linux here in a few days, and with installing I plan onbr gt;buying a new modem.nbsp; I was wondering which is the fastest/best?nbsp; Anybodybr gt;have any good experiences with some modems?nbsp; I am currently using Earthlinkbr gt;as my ISP.nbsp; Thanks...br gt;br gt;-socobr gt;br /font/html _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
