Re: [newbie] on distributions...
H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 19:32, Charlie Mahan wrote: This pissing contest over mc vs emacs vs vi vs what the hell ever is never going to go away, nor does it seem that it will ever change the decision of the person in charge of deciding what is included in the disks. Hey Charlie, I never thought this was a pissing contest, though admittedly I am/was pissed of at the omittance (is this double mm or double tt?spellchecker doesn't say) of mc. I think the word you're looking for here is omission ;-) Margot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
On February 14, 2004 08:27 am, Margot wrote: H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 19:32, Charlie Mahan wrote: This pissing contest over mc vs emacs vs vi vs what the hell ever is never going to go away, nor does it seem that it will ever change the decision of the person in charge of deciding what is included in the disks. Hey Charlie, I never thought this was a pissing contest, though admittedly I am/was pissed of at the omittance (is this double mm or double tt?spellchecker doesn't say) of mc. I think the word you're looking for here is omission ;-) Margot Picky! Picky! Picky! Grin! Lanman -- Registered Linux user #190712 Smart IT people are staring out the window into the eye of a giant penguin! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
On Saturday 14 February 2004 08:29 am, lanman wrote: On February 14, 2004 08:27 am, Margot wrote: H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 19:32, Charlie Mahan wrote: This pissing contest over mc vs emacs vs vi vs what the hell ever is never going to go away, nor does it seem that it will ever change the decision of the person in charge of deciding what is included in the disks. I use Vi and Emacs almost daily, I'v had no problem with either. -- __ We Are 138 http://www.suse.com http://www.slackware.org http://www.bsd.org http://www.daemonnews.org/ http://www.cannibalholocaust.net http://www.misfits.com http://www.onethirtyeight.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
- Original Message - From: Allen/gore/SlackWareWolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 15:49 Subject: Re: [newbie] on distributions... On Saturday 14 February 2004 08:29 am, lanman wrote: On February 14, 2004 08:27 am, Margot wrote: H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 19:32, Charlie Mahan wrote: This pissing contest over mc vs emacs vs vi vs what the hell ever is never going to go away, nor does it seem that it will ever change the decision of the person in charge of deciding what is included in the disks. I use Vi and Emacs almost daily, I'v had no problem with either. clink, clink (my 0.02) I use vi because I havent taken the time to learn Emacs, someday maybe. Hoyt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 13 February 2004 06:38, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: Thanks Anne! I'm really surprised that you read my letter entirely! It was provoked by the reaction of users to changes! I think also that the power of Linux consits in command line tools and we really need to have mc and memtest! Well, if you mean Midnight Commander it is already there, though it may not be installed by default. I haven't checked memtest, but I think it's available too. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 12 February 2004 15:34, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: for home use at least... I would like to support it if I'd afford this (I live in a country where the price of the average package - let's say 100euros - is the medium salary - and to buy it is some kind of alien experience - technically and as mentality). In my opinion, a support form the users - of the 98.5% that do not pay - a support form the users of 5 euros as a donation wouldn't be a big expense, but a great support for the company. Take it as suggestion. Don't you like to reward the people that provided you a great OS and support? Don't you want to have an OS as long time you need - I mean to avoid the change of it because of the company bankruptcy (it was to happen once last year)? It's a nice thought but Mandrake is still alive and kicking and after all a commercial organization. It should be able to survive in that commercial form using the tools brought about with that form. If it doesn't; We'll always be able to re-mould it into a non-commercial form in which user donations would fit. Mandrake club was an initiative to fill in the gap between donations - payed user support and did so quite well. A lot of us chipped in there when things looked bad and apparently it helped. You shouldn't feel bad about not being able to cough up amounts like the 100they are to be seen in the context of first world expenses. Over here (NL) it's the equivalent of 5-6 bottles of whiskey;) So let the stronger financial shoulders bear the burden of the weakerthat's what sharing is about too. Linux is meant for the whole world not just the part that can miss the cash. Welcome to the community, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I couldn't find them, but I'm still looking in the packages! I mean in 10b2. --- Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 06:38, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: Thanks Anne! I'm really surprised that you read my letter entirely! It was provoked by the reaction of users to changes! I think also that the power of Linux consits in command line tools and we really need to have mc and memtest! Well, if you mean Midnight Commander it is already there, though it may not be installed by default. I haven't checked memtest, but I think it's available too. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
On Friday 13 February 2004 10:33, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: I couldn't find them, but I'm still looking in the packages! I mean in 10b2. I looked for mc too...it isn't there! Either download it from cooker or install the 9.2 version. Leaving mc out of a distrib feels like forgetting to put on underwear under a smoking, heh?:) Memtest isn't that linux specific so wouldn't need to be on a beta disk imo. Best way to use it is on it's own bootable floppy. Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Thanks ! In Romania, paying over Internet is a technical issue to be solved in the future... |:-( As a developer, I could afford to pay for a power distribution, but I don't know how. When I look in the list of the store, choosing Romania leads me to a page in USD, but no way to buy in Romania in a foreign currency (that's the law) and I don't know a bank to make a card for such little payments (I couldn't afford to keep in a bank account hundreds of USD or Euros)... Although, I would like to buy the next MDK for home use and fun and to develop some ... who knows?! I'm interested in moving to Linux! MDK looks to fit on my needs very well. --- H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 February 2004 15:34, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: for home use at least... I would like to support it if I'd afford this (I live in a country where the price of the average package - let's say 100euros - is the medium salary - and to buy it is some kind of alien experience - technically and as mentality). In my opinion, a support form the users - of the 98.5% that do not pay - a support form the users of 5 euros as a donation wouldn't be a big expense, but a great support for the company. Take it as suggestion. Don't you like to reward the people that provided you a great OS and support? Don't you want to have an OS as long time you need - I mean to avoid the change of it because of the company bankruptcy (it was to happen once last year)? It's a nice thought but Mandrake is still alive and kicking and after all a commercial organization. It should be able to survive in that commercial form using the tools brought about with that form. If it doesn't; We'll always be able to re-mould it into a non-commercial form in which user donations would fit. Mandrake club was an initiative to fill in the gap between donations - payed user support and did so quite well. A lot of us chipped in there when things looked bad and apparently it helped. You shouldn't feel bad about not being able to cough up amounts like the €100they are to be seen in the context of first world expenses. Over here (NL) it's the equivalent of 5-6 bottles of whiskey;) So let the stronger financial shoulders bear the burden of the weakerthat's what sharing is about too. Linux is meant for the whole world not just the part that can miss the cash. Welcome to the community, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
On Friday 13 February 2004 09:40, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 10:33, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: I couldn't find them, but I'm still looking in the packages! I mean in 10b2. I looked for mc too...it isn't there! Either download it from cooker or install the 9.2 version. Leaving mc out of a distrib feels like forgetting to put on underwear under a smoking, heh?:) Memtest isn't that linux specific so wouldn't need to be on a beta disk imo. Best way to use it is on it's own bootable floppy. Perhaps not everything goes into a beta release? I'm sure mc has been in every release so far, but I don't run betas, so I couldn't answer for that. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
On Friday 13 February 2004 09:43, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: Thanks ! In Romania, paying over Internet is a technical issue to be solved in the future... |:-( As a developer, I could afford to pay for a power distribution, but I don't know how. When I look in the list of the store, choosing Romania leads me to a page in USD, but no way to buy in Romania in a foreign currency (that's the law) and I don't know a bank to make a card for such little payments (I couldn't afford to keep in a bank account hundreds of USD or Euros)... Although, I would like to buy the next MDK for home use and fun and to develop some ... who knows?! I'm interested in moving to Linux! MDK looks to fit on my needs very well. Take the free download edition for now, then, and don't feel bad about it. The time will come when you can buy. Meanwhile, do your repayment by spreading the word about Mandrake and by offering any of your experiences that may help others. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 13 February 2004 10:54, Anne Wilson wrote: Take the free download edition for now, then, and don't feel bad about it. The time will come when you can buy. Meanwhile, do your repayment by spreading the word about Mandrake and by offering any of your experiences that may help others. I agree with Anne there. The best you could is download the the free version scour the web (rpmfind and cooker) for the extra needed packages and spread the word ... or better still: Spread a few CD copies:) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 10:54, Anne Wilson wrote: Take the free download edition for now, then, and don't feel bad about it. The time will come when you can buy. Meanwhile, do your repayment by spreading the word about Mandrake and by offering any of your experiences that may help others. I agree with Anne there. The best you could is download the the free version scour the web (rpmfind and cooker) for the extra needed packages and spread the word ... or better still: Spread a few CD copies:) There have been big discussions elsewhere about this issue, and the general consensus is that: - MandrakeSoft is based in a relatively expensive location (France) so, by the very fact of being there, has relatively large expenses and has to charge French-style prices; - those who can afford to pay those charges (a lot less than Microsoft or Apple!) should do so; - those who cannot should not feel ashamed but should spread the download versions far and wide. The whole issue of differential pricing has never been tackled to any extent; I suspect that it is a hard problem. If it is not possible to buy anything priced in foreign currency from Romania, there must be a thousand similar peculiarities and it will take a long time to reform the world banking system ;) Alastair This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I am not sure what you are saying by Meanwhile, do your repayment by spreading the word about Mandrake and by offering any of your experiences that may help others. Anyway, I have choosen MDK by my needs: - to be easy to use and maintain - to start learning Linux - to fit on my view on OS in general - to be accessible (financially) - to be downloadable and to have a large support I would like to have the possibility to recompile it on my computer. I would like to develop - at the base I am a developer and this is what I like to do most - everything I want. I am not interested to use a server, but to test a db on it... something desktop sized. On other hand I made a choce and I want to relay on it for a long time (long live MDK)!!! The problem is the payment: it is not easy to do from here technically speaking. MDK is well known in Romania in Linux world, but Windows came first at the majority of users and they won't move easily. More than 90% of them use pirated software, so they don't care about buying prices. So, to spread on the Romanian market something for a person that have to learn more to use it is an almost impossible task! For the moment I would like to help translate Linux - this might be a possible way to get in - a lot of Romanians moved to a more inteligible interfacewhich is the one in their mother language. But I didn't do this on Linux and I need some guidance. There are a lot of funny translations that must be changed. Do you have any hint? BTW, I can't download from ftp because of my provider, so I have always to look for a http mirror... Mike --- Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 09:43, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: Thanks ! In Romania, paying over Internet is a technical issue to be solved in the future... |:-( As a developer, I could afford to pay for a power distribution, but I don't know how. When I look in the list of the store, choosing Romania leads me to a page in USD, but no way to buy in Romania in a foreign currency (that's the law) and I don't know a bank to make a card for such little payments (I couldn't afford to keep in a bank account hundreds of USD or Euros)... Although, I would like to buy the next MDK for home use and fun and to develop some ... who knows?! I'm interested in moving to Linux! MDK looks to fit on my needs very well. Take the free download edition for now, then, and don't feel bad about it. The time will come when you can buy. Meanwhile, do your repayment by spreading the word about Mandrake and by offering any of your experiences that may help others. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
On Friday 13 February 2004 12:01, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: For the moment I would like to help translate Linux - this might be a possible way to get in - a lot of Romanians moved to a more inteligible interfacewhich is the one in their mother language. But I didn't do this on Linux and I need some guidance. There are a lot of funny translations that must be changed. Do you have any hint? BTW, I can't download from ftp because of my provider, so I have always to look for a http mirror... For translations etc. you should contact the i118n lists or go the specific page first: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/ Anyway there are some pretty nice tools for translations but don't start translating on your ownyou'll get stuck. See that it becomes part of a co-ordinated effort. BTW if your provider lets you: maybe rsync is a far better option once you've got the iso's. Saves bandwidth and is faster too. Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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--- H.J.Bathoorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 12:01, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: For the moment I would like to help translate Linux - this might be a possible way to get in - a lot of Romanians moved to a more inteligible interfacewhich is the one in their mother language. But I didn't do this on Linux and I need some guidance. There are a lot of funny translations that must be changed. Do you have any hint? BTW, I can't download from ftp because of my provider, so I have always to look for a http mirror... For translations etc. you should contact the i118n lists or go the specific page first: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/ Anyway there are some pretty nice tools for translations but don't start translating on your ownyou'll get stuck. See that it becomes part of a co-ordinated effort. There are some Romanian guys translating. Do you think of them by co-ordinated effort? BTW if your provider lets you: maybe rsync is a far better option once you've got the iso's. Saves bandwidth and is faster too. Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 13 February 2004 2:40 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 10:33, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: I couldn't find them, but I'm still looking in the packages! I mean in 10b2. I looked for mc too...it isn't there! Either download it from cooker or install the 9.2 version. Leaving mc out of a distrib feels like forgetting to put on underwear under a smoking, heh?:) Memtest isn't that linux specific so wouldn't need to be on a beta disk imo. Best way to use it is on it's own bootable floppy. Good luck, HarM Both are contrib packages and therefore will never be a part of the download or Standard edition. Space limitations and support issues don't you know. Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (RC1) for i586 kernel 2.4.25-0.pre7.3mdk 08:59:22 up 22:21, 1 user, load average: 0.64, 0.75, 1.22 I am the wandering glitch -- catch me if you can. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFALPSVZqvqlrLPr5YRAlb3AJ9Bn+1+jDDkX81g0QKGbuFqDywMFwCeLwl5 2J2bNlqp9bdl6XCSrTtHEjA= =yvw5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 13 February 2004 2:52 am, Anne Wilson wrote: whack Perhaps not everything goes into a beta release? I'm sure mc has been in every release so far, but I don't run betas, so I couldn't answer for that. Anne I was wrong. I said both were in contrib, memtester is but midnight commander is in main. The comment about space limitations still stands though. /Mandrake-devel/contrib/i586/memtester-2.93.1-5mdk.i586.rpm /Mandrake-devel/cooker/i586/Mandrake/RPMS/mc-4.6.0-4mdk.i586.rpm Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (RC1) for i586 kernel 2.4.25-0.pre7.3mdk 09:03:23 up 22:25, 1 user, load average: 1.15, 0.86, 1.13 The problem with any unwritten law is that you don't know where to go to erase it. -- Glaser and Way -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFALPXbZqvqlrLPr5YRAtThAJ9E4Jp2uumPH84pGsv0c28ItkX1fgCfa1EJ NWYoVmcT8j5ONwW1lYvQ0Sk= =44Nw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 13 February 2004 05:01 am, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: For the moment I would like to help translate Linux - this might be a possible way to get in - a lot of Romanians moved to a more inteligible interfacewhich is the one in their mother language. But I didn't do this on Linux and I need some guidance. There are a lot of funny translations that must be changed. Do you have any hint? http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/flists.php3 Look down the page for Developer's lists. Particularly Do you want to have a good support for your mother tongue??? Join the mandrake i18n forces: subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and visit the i18n page for more information on translations. If you want to subscribe to these list by form please put your email address in the form below: . There you'll find a box to enter your email address and the drop down box has the il8n list on it. Read the list and join in. You could provide a very valuable service to Mandrake. You should also see this page http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/ -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 13 February 2004 17:00, Charlie Mahan wrote: Space limitations and support issues don't you know. No, I don't i.M.O. there's lots than can be kicked in favour of mc. It used always be there and installed by default too. Since 9.2 that changed all of a sudden in Mandrake. No other self respecting distro does that! Like I said: Linux without mc is a tux w.o. underwear.scratchie no matter how good it looks! Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 13 February 2004 10:34 am, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 17:00, Charlie Mahan wrote: Space limitations and support issues don't you know. No, I don't i.M.O. there's lots than can be kicked in favour of mc. It used always be there and installed by default too. Since 9.2 that changed all of a sudden in Mandrake. No other self respecting distro does that! Like I said: Linux without mc is a tux w.o. underwear.scratchie no matter how good it looks! Good luck, HarM It's been a long time since I used midnight commander. This pissing contest over mc vs emacs vs vi vs what the hell ever is never going to go away, nor does it seem that it will ever change the decision of the person in charge of deciding what is included in the disks. I personally think there are a lot more important issues than what command line editors are default. Warm regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (RC1) for i586 kernel 2.4.25-0.pre7.3mdk 11:28:45 up 1 day, 51 min, 1 user, load average: 0.62, 0.37, 0.36 Mieux vaut tard que jamais! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFALRhXZqvqlrLPr5YRAuBXAJ9KxSHCHdbZ07vh7fHI5L8w4Z7nRwCfaRQl zIX33RyDnUifB/EgEb8aDQs= =LLmg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Friday 13 February 2004 4:25 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 13 February 2004 19:32, Charlie Mahan wrote: This pissing contest over mc vs emacs vs vi vs what the hell ever is never going to go away, nor does it seem that it will ever change the decision of the person in charge of deciding what is included in the disks. The referenced pissing contest is the one that continually springs to life on the cooker mailing list HarM. After my re-reading of my message it does seem that the statement was directed at your comments; but it isn't. It's directed at those that (like myself) read every Mandrake list available within time constraints; then when they lose an argument they pop over to another list looking (apparently) for someone to agree with them. Hey Charlie, I never thought this was a pissing contest, though admittedly I am/was pissed of at the omittance (is this double mm or double tt?spellchecker doesn't say) of mc. I'm not sure...admittedly...admitedly (TWO Ts HarM) It may be all those languagge files you have hidden in there. In your head I mean. g Personally, I've never made a point of vi or emacs, in that I've never used emacs and sort of look up to those that are able to use it:) I try to avoid anything that isn't at the level of subconscious competence myself. That leaves out vi for me. Don't look up to me, it was self defence, enlightened self interest...some damn thing. Besides I'm short and fat. (-; What I have noticed is that, at PC Fairs or LUG meetings where there are guru's installing Debian , Slackware or LXFS on PC's the first you thing you get to see after initial installation is the blue mc screen:) Unless you've got the whole linux file tree inside your head you need an appp like' mc. I use vi in init 1 for instance because I usually know exactly which files I have to edit (and otherwise tab is my best friend) and where they are, on a new system I prefer mc for overviewit's as simple as that. You'd be surprised how distribs can differ in their file trees despite the efforts to standardize. Doesn't surprise me at all. I'll stick with Mandrake personally, but I'll install or help to install anything. Almost. For a hint as to what Almost means see the Fortune appended to my signature. Random indeed This machine is _bent!_ Knoppix uses links to navigate the file trees, for instance but that has the drawback that you can't edit the files in the same app. BTW my friend, you are really going to have to put in more effort to get me pissed off:-D Good luck, HarM I wouldn't attempt to piss anyone off HarM. Especially not friends. If you haven't noticed I'll apologize to a stump if warranted. Warm regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User #244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake Linux release 10.0 (RC1) for i586 kernel 2.4.25-0.pre7.3mdk 16:59:13 up 1 day, 6:21, 1 user, load average: 0.29, 0.19, 0.13 System Error - Virus 'MS-WINDOWS' found!! Erase [Y/Y]? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFALWerZqvqlrLPr5YRArkxAKCfz1kRUYE7grG3x46nxChz4MX1CgCgtBxW Yvbo4DlwcXLMEW/MniSzzUU= =0N2U -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Saturday 14 February 2004 01:11, Charlie Mahan wrote: If you haven't noticed I'll apologize to a stump if warranted. I have, and FWIW your replies are always coherent, friendly, helpful and provoke a smile..keep on trucking:) Good luck, HarM BTW. I'm skinny and tall...does that mean I have to crouch down next time we argue?:-D -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
On February 13, 2004 07:39 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Saturday 14 February 2004 01:11, Charlie Mahan wrote: If you haven't noticed I'll apologize to a stump if warranted. BTW. I'm skinny and tall...does that mean I have to crouch down next time we argue?:-D Good luck, HarM Either way you slice it guys, I'd pay good money to get a picture for a web-site I'm thinking of putting up ! Grin! LOL! Big Time! Lanman -- Registered Linux user #190712 Smart IT people are staring out the window into the eye of a giant penguin! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
On Saturday 14 February 2004 01:12, Tom Brinkman wrote: Do you want Mandrake D/L on 4 CD's? (not directed at you HarM). See an particpate in cooker or the Club. I have done so in the past and found the discussions to be either over my head or stupifyingly low. I found no way in which I thought I could be of any use there, so I left. No hard feelings or grudges tho, I admire the people who do all the hard work there. Let them have their little whims, I just don't want to get in the way:) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] on distributions...
Hi! I am freshly new in this community. Bored of ms I was looking for a new horizon. I am a developer and an user of Windows ... so far at least. My first impression on Linux is that it is great to be an open project for everybody can do something. Also, in time, I had the impression that Linux in general tries to help some new (formely windows) users by making an compromise to the GUI to be close to the ms windows in behavior. I think it is nice, but a windows user is handicaped in administering, troubleshooting or - sometimes - in even using Linux. The hardware producing companies didn't support Linux by making drivers, some others request money for that, so you need to look on the net to find a good guy that made them... I am sorry to find that MDK lose the good place in the charts. I used it since 8 version and it has been the best comparing it to others in stability (I installed it on DELL laptop, some PCs and it was the easyest to use to me). I understand that all this effort must be financially rewarded, despite if Linux is famous for being free for home use at least... I would like to support it if I'd afford this (I live in a country where the price of the average package - let's say 100euros - is the medium salary - and to buy it is some kind of alien experience - technically and as mentality). In my opinion, a support form the users - of the 98.5% that do not pay - a support form the users of 5 euros as a donation wouldn't be a big expense, but a great support for the company. Take it as suggestion. Don't you like to reward the people that provided you a great OS and support? Don't you want to have an OS as long time you need - I mean to avoid the change of it because of the company bankruptcy (it was to happen once last year)? Also, I would keep all the packages loved by users, I would provide them as much as it is possible (affordably) if I want to have them by my side. On other hand I would try to find a standard in package content. But remember: too much backward compatibility kept leads to a big expense in developing time and maintenence and in performance. There are some things that MUST be changed. Make good concepts and try to invent something, to create something new like you are trying now on Cooker and I think you will succeed. You users, leave the past behind, think to the future and try to act like you are new in this field. Use your experience in gettin rid of the bad conceived and wrong implemented things! There are things that are changing free of your will! Not all these are bad, not all these are right! Try to filter them! That's all for the moment and take this as it is : a new user's thoughs! As time goes by I hope I will get involved moreto understand you better and maybe to help you! (new)Bye! Mike __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] on distributions...
Thanks Anne! I'm really surprised that you read my letter entirely! It was provoked by the reaction of users to changes! I think also that the power of Linux consits in command line tools and we really need to have mc and memtest! --- Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 12 February 2004 14:34, Dobrescu Mihai wrote: Hi! I am freshly new in this community. Hi, Mike. Welcome! That's all for the moment and take this as it is : a new user's thoughs! As time goes by I hope I will get involved moreto understand you better and maybe to help you! I'm glad you're enjoying your experience. Eric sends out a weekly welcome letter and you'll find useful links there. Apart from the list, one way we try to help each other is through the Community TWiki, where we post our personal experiences with hardware/software and administration issues. Take a look at that. The link in my sig is a shortcut to it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2 distributions on 1 computer?????
On Monday 06 May 2002 10:06 am, skinky wrote: On 06 May 2002 08:48, adrian wrote: Hello, I have mandrake 8.2 installed on my computer and i wanted to try redhat so i installed it to on a difrent partition ( same harddrive ) . After the installation i rebooted my computer and up came the mandrake lilo thingie and red hat was not in any of the options, so i went into mandrake control center and added the hde which was the red hat partiion and then rebooted, The option was there but when i chose it i got all kinds of failure and it wouldnt boot up, so i wonder if i can run 2 distribution on the same harddrive and computer ? and also do i need 1 swap for each distrubtion or can they share swap? If its possible to run 2 i would be gratefull if you could tell me how to set it up. Best regards Adrian I just installed redhat and had lilo/boot problems also. You only need the one swap partition. I have a separate /boot partition which I share between the distros - be sure NOT to format the /boot partition is you have the same setup. During the redhat install I chose not to install a boot loader - thought I would rather keep Mandrake's lilo going. When the rh installation finished I rebooted with the boot floppy (made during installation) and all seemed OK. I rebooted from the hard drive to Mandrake (with Mandrake's lilo) and edited lilo.conf to include the rh partition. However upon running lilo (# /sbin/lilo) I got an error about an older version. So I rebooted with the rh boot floppy, uninstalled lilo (rh had automatically installed lilo but /etc/lilo.conf did not exist), then reinstalled lilo. I edited the lilo.conf to include Mandrake and ran # /sbin/lilo. All is well but I don't like rh's boot loader (its ugly). From what Civileme said I think you need to install rh first then install Mandrake to use Mandrake's lilo. I might reinstall Mandrake later in the week - I'm getting faster at setting up apache, samba and twiki and upgrading all packages ; ). BTW rh is a lot slower than Mandrake on my machine! I'm still downloading all the updates (sloww dial-up internet connection). IMHO rh's installation is much cleaner/clearer than Mandrake's but I prefer Mandrake any day! I needed to try rh because I only have Mandrake 8.0 and 8.1 and most of my friends who are keen to try linux have older i386/i486s. While I'm here, can anyone tell me if Mandrake 7.2 runs on the older pcs and if it is much different to 8.0/8.1? skinky if you have two /boot then copy the kernal and initrd from redhat to mandrake boot. (the ones with the version number after it). Edit /etc/fstab to mount one visible to the other. This info in from Civilemes more thorough reply on 20 April to the Dual Booting with Multiple Linux Distro's thread. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2 distributions on 1 computer?????
On 06 May 2002 08:48, skinky wrote: I just installed redhat and had lilo/boot problems also. You only need the one swap partition. I have a separate /boot partition which I share between the distros - be sure NOT to format the /boot partition if you have the same setup. During the redhat install I chose not to install a boot loader - thought I would rather keep Mandrake's lilo going. When the rh installation finished I rebooted with the boot floppy (made during installation) and all seemed OK. I rebooted from the hard drive to Mandrake (with Mandrake's lilo) and edited lilo.conf to include the rh partition. However upon running lilo (# /sbin/lilo) I got an error about an older version. So I rebooted with the rh boot floppy, uninstalled lilo (rh had automatically installed lilo but /etc/lilo.conf did not exist), then reinstalled lilo. I edited the lilo.conf to include Mandrake and ran # /sbin/lilo. All is well but I don't like rh's boot loader (its ugly). From what Civileme said I think you need to install rh first then install Mandrake to use Mandrake's lilo. I might reinstall Mandrake later in the week - I'm getting faster at setting up apache, samba and twiki and upgrading all packages ; ). Ooops! Just found out that all I had to do in Mandrake was uninstall lilo (with --nodeps) and reinstall it! Piece of peewees... skinky -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2 distributions on 1 computer?????
adrian wrote: Hello, I have mandrake 8.2 installed on my computer and i wanted to try redhat so i installed it to on a difrent partition ( same harddrive ) . After the installation i rebooted my computer and up came the mandrake lilo thingie and red hat was not in any of the options, so i went into mandrake control center and added the hde which was the red hat partiion and then rebooted, The option was there but when i chose it i got all kinds of failure and it wouldnt boot up, so i wonder if i can run 2 distribution on the same harddrive and computer ? and also do i need 1 swap for each distrubtion or can they share swap? If its possible to run 2 i would be gratefull if you could tell me how to set it up. Best regards Adrian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com It is possible to share swap and even /home if you have it mounted on its own partition. The technique to do this properly is outlined on my article Two Mandrake (that's enough of a search key on www.mandrakeforum.com. There is also a recent post in the archives about it. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] 2 distributions on 1 computer?????
Hello, I have mandrake 8.2 installed on my computer and i wanted to try redhat so i installed it to on a difrent partition ( same harddrive ) . After the installation i rebooted my computer and up came the mandrake lilo thingie and red hat was not in any of the options, so i went into mandrake control center and added the hde which was the red hat partiion and then rebooted, The option was there but when i chose it i got all kinds of failure and it wouldnt boot up, so i wonder if i can run 2 distribution on the same harddrive and computer ? and also do i need 1 swap for each distrubtion or can they share swap? If its possible to run 2 i would be gratefull if you could tell me how to set it up. Best regards Adrian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2 distributions on 1 computer?????
adrian wrote: Hello, I have mandrake 8.2 installed on my computer and i wanted to try redhat so i installed it to on a difrent partition ( same harddrive ) . After the installation i rebooted my computer and up came the mandrake lilo thingie and red hat was not in any of the options, so i went into mandrake control center and added the hde which was the red hat partiion and then rebooted, The option was there but when i chose it i got all kinds of failure and it wouldnt boot up, so i wonder if i can run 2 distribution on the same yes. harddrive and computer ? and also do i need 1 swap for each distrubtion or can they share swap? If its possible to run 2 i would be gratefull if you They can share the same swap file. could tell me how to set it up. You tell us how you have it set up. Best regards Adrian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2 distributions on 1 computer?????
On Sunday 05 May 2002 04:48 pm, you wrote: Hello, I have mandrake 8.2 installed on my computer and i wanted to try redhat so i installed it to on a difrent partition ( same harddrive ) . After the installation i rebooted my computer and up came the mandrake lilo thingie and red hat was not in any of the options, so i went into mandrake control center and added the hde which was the red hat partiion and then rebooted, The option was there but when i chose it i got all kinds of failure and it wouldnt boot up, so i wonder if i can run 2 distribution on the same harddrive and computer ? and also do i need 1 swap for each distrubtion or can they share swap? If its possible to run 2 i would be gratefull if you could tell me how to set it up. Best regards Adrian Adrian: There was a thread on this subject about two weeks ago. Look in the newbie archives for an April 20 posting by Civileme to the thread Dual Booting with Multiple Linux Distro's. See also an April 13 posting by ai4a to the thread Dual Mandrake Boot Setup. HTH -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2 distributions on 1 computer?????
On 06 May 2002 08:48, adrian wrote: Hello, I have mandrake 8.2 installed on my computer and i wanted to try redhat so i installed it to on a difrent partition ( same harddrive ) . After the installation i rebooted my computer and up came the mandrake lilo thingie and red hat was not in any of the options, so i went into mandrake control center and added the hde which was the red hat partiion and then rebooted, The option was there but when i chose it i got all kinds of failure and it wouldnt boot up, so i wonder if i can run 2 distribution on the same harddrive and computer ? and also do i need 1 swap for each distrubtion or can they share swap? If its possible to run 2 i would be gratefull if you could tell me how to set it up. Best regards Adrian I just installed redhat and had lilo/boot problems also. You only need the one swap partition. I have a separate /boot partition which I share between the distros - be sure NOT to format the /boot partition is you have the same setup. During the redhat install I chose not to install a boot loader - thought I would rather keep Mandrake's lilo going. When the rh installation finished I rebooted with the boot floppy (made during installation) and all seemed OK. I rebooted from the hard drive to Mandrake (with Mandrake's lilo) and edited lilo.conf to include the rh partition. However upon running lilo (# /sbin/lilo) I got an error about an older version. So I rebooted with the rh boot floppy, uninstalled lilo (rh had automatically installed lilo but /etc/lilo.conf did not exist), then reinstalled lilo. I edited the lilo.conf to include Mandrake and ran # /sbin/lilo. All is well but I don't like rh's boot loader (its ugly). From what Civileme said I think you need to install rh first then install Mandrake to use Mandrake's lilo. I might reinstall Mandrake later in the week - I'm getting faster at setting up apache, samba and twiki and upgrading all packages ; ). BTW rh is a lot slower than Mandrake on my machine! I'm still downloading all the updates (sloww dial-up internet connection). IMHO rh's installation is much cleaner/clearer than Mandrake's but I prefer Mandrake any day! I needed to try rh because I only have Mandrake 8.0 and 8.1 and most of my friends who are keen to try linux have older i386/i486s. While I'm here, can anyone tell me if Mandrake 7.2 runs on the older pcs and if it is much different to 8.0/8.1? skinky -- oxymoron: Microsoft Works Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 2 distributions on 1 computer?????
Adrian, I'm running RH 7.2, Mandrake 8.2 and Win98. Email me privately and we'll see what configuration files you need to tinker with. Terry Smith On Sun, 2002-05-05 at 16:48, adrian wrote: Hello, I have mandrake 8.2 installed on my computer and i wanted to try redhat so i installed it to on a difrent partition ( same harddrive ) . After the installation i rebooted my computer and up came the mandrake lilo thingie and red hat was not in any of the options, so i went into mandrake control center and added the hde which was the red hat partiion and then rebooted, The option was there but when i chose it i got all kinds of failure and it wouldnt boot up, so i wonder if i can run 2 distribution on the same harddrive and computer ? and also do i need 1 swap for each distrubtion or can they share swap? If its possible to run 2 i would be gratefull if you could tell me how to set it up. Best regards Adrian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
