Re: [newbie] v9.0 -out, v8.2 -back in... :-(
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 01:18, Ronald J. Hall wrote: Okay, i give up. After about 3 days of fighting with v9.0 (3 CD download edition) I'm calling it quits and reinstalling v8.2. I tried noapic, I tried noacpi, etc, etc... Occasionally, I could actually boot up, after doing rescue (all installations go just fine - its that first reboot - forget it - locks up hard). Even then, it usually would not boot up 2 times in a row without locking up. Also, 1 time I got it to shutdown or reboot using shutdown -r or -h now. Every other attempt would up with a: sending all processes the TERM signal OK sending all processes the KILL signal... and nothing - locks up there. Whats so frustrating is that this same 3 CD set installed perfectly on a much older computer here with far less specs. This one, my main computer is only about a year old. Go figure. Now, some may say bad memory, bad HD, etc,etc,...okay maybe - altough like I said its all brand name and less than 1 year old. Besides that, it was perfectly stable with v8.2, and I'm back with 8.2 right now and its as stable as a rock. (booting up fine, shutting down fine). Correct me if I'm wrong, but have you not been running heavy duty games on this system under 8.2, like Diablo 2, Quake 3, etc. If this is your premiere system and it's been doing what I think it's been doing, then I can safely say that you can forgo the memory diags, cause you have a known good system. Since you have a known good system, you have basically troubleshot the problem down to an incompatibility between an aspect of the hardware and 9.0. The problem sounds like a piece of code that's close to the kernel (like a driver) that's dying when the system starts up, and then cannot be killed when the system is shut down. It is somewhat likely that there may be some kind of motherboard bios faux pas that has been corrected since the mobo was released. My best suggestion is to go to the Shuttle website and download the latest greatest bios for your mobo, and flash the bios. (under vanilla dos) It's possible that there may be a firmware incompatibility between 9.0 and the mobo; Which begs the question of the rest of the peripherals. Has your Nvidia card been flashed with the latest firmware? Or other peripherals? I note your hardware list: Shuttle motherboard 384 megs ram AMD Athlon 900 cpu (Probably a 900 Tbird like mine) Nvidia Geforce 2/64 megs ram (Probably a Bladerunner like mine) SoundBlaster Xgamer Live sound card (shame on you for buying Creative..) Adaptec 2930 SCSI card (3940U Dual channel RISC version here) WinTV tuner card Linksys network card Toshiba DVD (scsi) (Toshiba DVD/CDRW Combo here) Plextor CDRW (scsi) Iomega Zip internal/IDE (SCSI version here) The SCSI card looks like an older one, therefore I remember a warning that Civileme mentioned some time ago about using the wrong version of the Adaptec SCSI driver. I myself had been doing this for some time without (consistent) bad results under 8.2, and wasn't aware I was doing so until Civileme mentioned the problem. HOWEVER, this may be a bigger problem under 9.0 than it is under 8.2. And, of course, this may not even be the real problem. My best suggestion is to check all versions of firmware on all peripherals (and mobo) that are flashable, and update them to the latest firmware. Including your Toshiba DVD. I don't need to remind you that you should be careful when doing this ;) and always attempt to use the dos version of the firmware updates when available, and a vanilla dos boot with no smartdrive.exe loaded. This to me seems the most reliable route. I have a firmware update site for all DVD and Combo's. If you need it I asked for support from Mandrake - Zero replies so far. (still got my fingers crossed there). I've got the 9.0 DVD/manuals ordered (and they have already cashed my check). I sure hope that it does better than the download edition! Ahh, yes. As you well know I could go on about this, but I will just say that I've been very patient so far since my paypal card was debited by Mandrakeclub in October while I fondle the 9.0 mandrake boxes at Best Buy. Nuff said? In the past, I've noticed that problems I encountered with download editions tended to disappear with the Powerpacks. I'm hoping the same is true, otherwise, I'll be stuck with a useless DVD. If anyone else can shed light on this, please...put me out of my misery. :-) When I actually had it installed/running (as long as I didn't shutdown/reboot!), v9.0 looks really great. I like it - I hope I actually get to use it here... Catch everyone later... -- /\ Dark Lord L8r on, holmes... LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User
Re: [newbie] v9.0 -out, v8.2 -back in... :-(
On Saturday 14 December 2002 12:33 pm, you wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but have you not been running heavy duty games on this system under 8.2, like Diablo 2, Quake 3, etc. If this is your premiere system and it's been doing what I think it's been doing, then I can safely say that you can forgo the memory diags, cause you have a known good system. Yea, Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, Half-life, Rune, Soldier of Fortune, Terminus smile My best suggestion is to check all versions of firmware on all peripherals (and mobo) that are flashable, and update them to the latest firmware. Including your Toshiba DVD. I don't need to remind you that you should be careful when doing this ;) and always attempt to use the dos version of the firmware updates when available, and a vanilla dos boot with no smartdrive.exe loaded. This to me seems the most reliable route. I have a firmware update site for all DVD and Combo's. If you need it I've never update the MB's (or peripherals) BIOS. Its always worked fine. You might be onto something there. Ahh, yes. As you well know I could go on about this, but I will just say that I've been very patient so far since my paypal card was debited by Mandrakeclub in October while I fondle the 9.0 mandrake boxes at Best Buy. Nuff said? ;-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] v9.0 -out, v8.2 -back in... :-(, Small OT
At 12:33 PM 12/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: snipper with some hedge trimmers I have lying around It is somewhat likely that there may be some kind of motherboard bios faux pas that has been corrected since the mobo was released. My best suggestion is to go to the Shuttle website and download the latest greatest bios for your mobo, and flash the bios. (under vanilla dos) It's possible that there may be a firmware incompatibility between 9.0 and the mobo; You mention flashing an Nvidia card ... I have yet to figure out how to do so?! Wanna email me off list (or on, your choice ofc) about how to go about this? Mines a creative labs ( ya ya I know you hate em, so shoot me... and btw suggest a diff frigging soundcard I can get thats compatible with most of todays games? Hercules will no longer make sound cards which is what I was planning to buy :( ) GeForce2. So is my g/f's. Any advice? - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] v9.0 -out, v8.2 -back in... :-(, Small OT
On Sat, 2002-12-14 at 16:39, FemmeFatale wrote: At 12:33 PM 12/14/2002 -0500, you wrote: snipper with some hedge trimmers I have lying around It is somewhat likely that there may be some kind of motherboard bios faux pas that has been corrected since the mobo was released. My best suggestion is to go to the Shuttle website and download the latest greatest bios for your mobo, and flash the bios. (under vanilla dos) It's possible that there may be a firmware incompatibility between 9.0 and the mobo; You mention flashing an Nvidia card ... I have yet to figure out how to do so?! Wanna email me off list (or on, your choice ofc) about how to go about this? Mines a creative labs ( ya ya I know you hate em, so shoot me... and btw suggest a diff frigging soundcard I can get thats compatible with most of todays games? Hercules will no longer make sound cards which is what I was planning to buy :( ) GeForce2. So is my g/f's. Any advice? Check ya mail... :) LX - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] v9.0 -out, v8.2 -back in... :-(
Okay, i give up. After about 3 days of fighting with v9.0 (3 CD download edition) I'm calling it quits and reinstalling v8.2. I tried noapic, I tried noacpi, etc, etc... Occasionally, I could actually boot up, after doing rescue (all installations go just fine - its that first reboot - forget it - locks up hard). Even then, it usually would not boot up 2 times in a row without locking up. Also, 1 time I got it to shutdown or reboot using shutdown -r or -h now. Every other attempt would up with a: sending all processes the TERM signal OK sending all processes the KILL signal... and nothing - locks up there. Whats so frustrating is that this same 3 CD set installed perfectly on a much older computer here with far less specs. This one, my main computer is only about a year old. Go figure. Now, some may say bad memory, bad HD, etc,etc,...okay maybe - altough like I said its all brand name and less than 1 year old. Besides that, it was perfectly stable with v8.2, and I'm back with 8.2 right now and its as stable as a rock. (booting up fine, shutting down fine). I asked for support from Mandrake - Zero replies so far. (still got my fingers crossed there). I've got the 9.0 DVD/manuals ordered (and they have already cashed my check). I sure hope that it does better than the download edition! In the past, I've noticed that problems I encountered with download editions tended to disappear with the Powerpacks. I'm hoping the same is true, otherwise, I'll be stuck with a useless DVD. If anyone else can shed light on this, please...put me out of my misery. :-) When I actually had it installed/running (as long as I didn't shutdown/reboot!), v9.0 looks really great. I like it - I hope I actually get to use it here... Catch everyone later... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
