Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
I am actually curious as to how someone without internet access is supposed to get this unlock code. has microsoft addressed this You are offered the choice to register over the Internet, or read off the code to MS over the phone, who will then read you out the activation code, which you will then have to type in. -- -- Michael J. Leone Registered Linux user #201348 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 50453890 AIM: MikeLeone PGP Fingerprint: 0AA8 DC47 CB63 AE3F C739 6BF9 9AB4 1EF6 5AA5 BCDF PGP public key: http://www.mike-leone.com/~turgon/turgon-public-key.gpg Taking a mental stroll through the psychic park of pleasure. PGP signature
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:43:01 -0700, Ah Pook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9/8/2001 7:18:43 AM, etharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: about a million people are going to tell you (and they are correct) that the GIMP is every bit as good as photoshop, and they do not have the US gov. put people in jail for talking about how poor their encryption is under the DMCA. And a million graphic designers would reply that Gimp doesn't have Pantone colors, and probably never will. It's useless for a lot of people. /// That would be The GIMP's main shortcoming. From my understanding, CYMK support in PhotoShop is the result of licensing from printer manufacturers, something which The GIMP can't do. Besides that, it has _far_ more powerful scripting (Script Fu) than PhotoShop and is ahead in a few other areas. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
But as I mentioned earlier web editing tools such as Dreamweaver and UltraDev, InterDev are more important for me. I want to concentrate on server side script and leave the client side stuff to the likes of Dreamweaver. Siavash -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sridhar Dhanapalan Sent: 09 September 2001 04:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ah Pook Subject: Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already On Sat, 08 Sep 2001 18:43:01 -0700, Ah Pook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9/8/2001 7:18:43 AM, etharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: about a million people are going to tell you (and they are correct) that the GIMP is every bit as good as photoshop, and they do not have the US gov. put people in jail for talking about how poor their encryption is under the DMCA. And a million graphic designers would reply that Gimp doesn't have Pantone colors, and probably never will. It's useless for a lot of people. /// That would be The GIMP's main shortcoming. From my understanding, CYMK support in PhotoShop is the result of licensing from printer manufacturers, something which The GIMP can't do. Besides that, it has _far_ more powerful scripting (Script Fu) than PhotoShop and is ahead in a few other areas. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
about a million people are going to tell you (and they are correct) that the GIMP is every bit as good as photoshop, and they do not have the US gov. put people in jail for talking about how poor their encryption is under the DMCA. you might also consider that while dreamweaver sites appear just hunky dory in IE5.x, they are NOT standard HTML and do NOT appear the same in all browsers, which is one of the goals of the HTML spec. I am not all that familiar with the abilities of UltraDev, so I really can not comment on that. but like I say I am not a big fan of flash, bells and whistles taking up the bandwidth when really what i want is informantion Plug and Pray in Mandrake is pretty good, (try kudsu) but it uses the pci spec, (as opposed to M$ closed source (protected secret) PNP specs) and so you have to turn off plug and pray aware OS in the computer BIOS so that the BIOS will go ahead and initialize the cards and assign Irq. in your case, I would think you might have to have the BIOS assign (or reserve) the IRQ for your network cards isa slot. On Friday 07 September 2001 20:59, Siavash Sefidvash wrote: Hi, I would want applications like Dreamweaver UltraDev and to a lesser extent PhotoShop before I could comfortably abandon Windows. Someone ought bring pressure to bare on Macromedia and thier ilk. Another issue would be that of plug n play. If LINUX could have that and take the headache of driver configuration it would be a real dream come true. I still have not managed to install Mandrake 8 yet on account of NIC detection/installation. It's an old ISA 3COM 10 MB ethernet ( none combo ) that is easily picked up in windoz. I am very new to LINUX. Siavash -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dr. Evil Sent: 07 September 2001 04:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already Tom, other than gaming what uses do you see for Windows? I've been looking forward to scrubbing it from my hd's, but your comment gives me pause. As far as I know, for most users, there is no use aside from gaming, and even for gaming, there are native Linux games, and apparently quite a few Windows games run under Wine. The other exception is that there are quite a few applications that can ONLY run on Windows for some specific purposes. Perhaps you need Autocad, or some other specific app which is Windows only. But if you're just an ordinary user who surfs the web, does word processing, this kind of thing, you don't need Windows at all. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
On Saturday 08 September 2001 11:56, richied wrote: On September 8, 2001 09:42 am, Siavash Sefidvash wrote: Apologies for sounding naive, but is not fair to get paid for your efforts.? ...There's actually a bigger issue at stake. Win XP is actually taking a fingerpint of your system. Your NIC, HDD, CD-ROM, CPU, etc all have unique serial numbers and Win XP gathers them all up with your name and address and sends them to Redmond, WA so you can get an unlocking code in return for your copy of the OS. While it does guarantee a reduction in piracy is is a flagrant disrespect on your privacy, forcing you to divulge information for the sake of using an OS you've already paid for! This is Totalitarianism at its utmost, placing to interests of the individual so far beind their own wishes. Obtaining a hack for Win XP does not necessarily preclude piracy but gives one the CHOICE of what information to divulge to the world-at-large. Of couse, there are lots more choices than that and they begin with Mandrake, Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, etc, etc, etc... Richie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: I am actually curious as to how someone without internet access is supposed to get this unlock code. has microsoft addressed this or are they only going to make their product availible to those who live in areas that have internet access? I know that there are huge areas in the southwest that still don't have internet access. -- Jennifer #221463 Yahoo IM: jlynn2k #include wisdom.h void ignorance (it offers no value) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:58:30 -0400, jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 08 September 2001 11:56, richied wrote: On September 8, 2001 09:42 am, Siavash Sefidvash wrote: Apologies for sounding naive, but is not fair to get paid for your efforts.? ...There's actually a bigger issue at stake. Win XP is actually taking a fingerpint of your system. Your NIC, HDD, CD-ROM, CPU, etc all have unique serial numbers and Win XP gathers them all up with your name and address and sends them to Redmond, WA so you can get an unlocking code in return for your copy of the OS. While it does guarantee a reduction in piracy is is a flagrant disrespect on your privacy, forcing you to divulge information for the sake of using an OS you've already paid for! This is Totalitarianism at its utmost, placing to interests of the individual so far beind their own wishes. Obtaining a hack for Win XP does not necessarily preclude piracy but gives one the CHOICE of what information to divulge to the world-at-large. Of couse, there are lots more choices than that and they begin with Mandrake, Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, etc, etc, etc... Richie I am actually curious as to how someone without internet access is supposed to get this unlock code. has microsoft addressed this or are they only going to make their product availible to those who live in areas that have internet access? I know that there are huge areas in the southwest that still don't have internet access. Take a look at this article: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2810195,00.html Here's an excerpt: For those who haven't yet experienced it, the new scheme is concealed under the 'Product Activation' label. At installation, the package creates a unique code combining the software serial number with the hardware present in the machine it's running on. Within 30 days of installing Office or Windows XP, you are required to contact Microsoft over the Internet or via a call centre to give them this code number; Microsoft will then give you another ID code to enter so that the package will keep working. If you don't, then Office XP will not let you create new documents or save existing ones after editing, while Windows XP will not stop working--imagine the squeals from other application software companies if that happened!--but will have reduced functionality. There's more. If you're not connected to the Internet, then you will have to read out a 50-digit code to a telephone operator without errors, and take down another error-free 50-digit code to carry on using the software you've paid for. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
from what i understand they removed this a while back... or at least the version used to make OEM systems doesnt have that stupid reg'd thing (actually includes a cd code). -- nathan From: jennifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], richied [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:58:30 -0400 On Saturday 08 September 2001 11:56, richied wrote: On September 8, 2001 09:42 am, Siavash Sefidvash wrote: Apologies for sounding naive, but is not fair to get paid for your efforts.? ...There's actually a bigger issue at stake. Win XP is actually taking a fingerpint of your system. Your NIC, HDD, CD-ROM, CPU, etc all have unique serial numbers and Win XP gathers them all up with your name and address and sends them to Redmond, WA so you can get an unlocking code in return for your copy of the OS. While it does guarantee a reduction in piracy is is a flagrant disrespect on your privacy, forcing you to divulge information for the sake of using an OS you've already paid for! This is Totalitarianism at its utmost, placing to interests of the individual so far beind their own wishes. Obtaining a hack for Win XP does not necessarily preclude piracy but gives one the CHOICE of what information to divulge to the world-at-large. Of couse, there are lots more choices than that and they begin with Mandrake, Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, etc, etc, etc... Richie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: I am actually curious as to how someone without internet access is supposed to get this unlock code. has microsoft addressed this or are they only going to make their product availible to those who live in areas that have internet access? I know that there are huge areas in the southwest that still don't have internet access. -- Jennifer #221463 Yahoo IM: jlynn2k #include wisdom.h void ignorance (it offers no value) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
On Saturday 08 September 2001 12:57 pm, Sridhar Dhanapalan escribió: Take a look at this article: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/comment/0,5859,2810195,00.html Here's an excerpt: For those who haven't yet experienced it, the new scheme is concealed under the 'Product Activation' label. At installation, the package creates a unique code combining the software serial number with the hardware present in the machine it's running on. Within 30 days of installing Office or Windows XP, you are required to contact Microsoft over the Internet or via a call centre to give them this code number; Microsoft will then give you another ID code to enter so that the package will keep working. If you don't, then Office XP will not let you create new documents or save existing ones after editing, while Windows XP will not stop working--imagine the squeals from other application software companies if that happened!--but will have reduced functionality. There's more. If you're not connected to the Internet, then you will have to read out a 50-digit code to a telephone operator without errors, and take down another error-free 50-digit code to carry on using the software you've paid for. Ya know, I hope all this is true, but I keep reading, mainly on register.uk, /., and newsforge.com, that product activation in upcoming M$ OS/apps is a moving target. IOW's the level of scrutiny keeps changing. I hope Billy's finally gotten greedy enough to shoot himself in the foot. BUT, I don't predict the exodus from M$ that some do. I don't have enough confidence in the computer literacy of the average M$ user that some rely on. I even believe a lot of Windoze users will think this, ./NET, and 'Passport', is all innovation and convenience. Most that I know rarely change anything. They're afraid to, and are oblivious to security and privacy issues. M$ is literally banking on that. I believe they're probly right. GEEZZZ, I'm gettin to be a pessimistic old SOB ;) -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
Apologies for sounding naive, but is not fair to get paid for your efforts.? If not Zhiang Zemin and Chinese polit bureaux would really like to hire you...that part of the world is Mecca for this sort of thing. I don't mind paying £100 for a developers application. However I realize that's wishful thinking, I do agree that like pop and movie stars some developer's incomes are disproportionate. As long as we are prepared to tame the beast of capitalism and market forces there should be no reason why we can't have fair recognition of ones labour. Human worth over profits. ( note my avoidance of the term HR, the latter has come to mean different beast altogether ). Sincerely S.S. -Original Message- From: Rick [Kitty5] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 September 2001 10:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already Hi, I would want applications like Dreamweaver UltraDev and to a lesser extent PhotoShop before I could comfortably abandon Windows. Someone ought bring pressure to bare on Macromedia and thier ilk. as far as desktop machines go, windows boxes rule the world, Macromedia (or any other big player) are not going to port their product line until to any platform until its commercially viable and then there is going to be pressure for the software to be free, and the possibility that some clever open source bods will ape the entire product and give it away - in many ways Linux is a commercial developers nightmare, damned if you do and damned if you don't Rick Kitty5 WebDesign - http://Kitty5.com POV-Ray News Resources - http://Povray.co.uk TEL : +44 (01270) 501101 - FAX : +44 (01270) 251105 - ICQ : 15776037 PGP Public Key http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x231E1CEA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
On September 8, 2001 09:42 am, Siavash Sefidvash wrote: Apologies for sounding naive, but is not fair to get paid for your efforts.? ...There's actually a bigger issue at stake. Win XP is actually taking a fingerpint of your system. Your NIC, HDD, CD-ROM, CPU, etc all have unique serial numbers and Win XP gathers them all up with your name and address and sends them to Redmond, WA so you can get an unlocking code in return for your copy of the OS. While it does guarantee a reduction in piracy is is a flagrant disrespect on your privacy, forcing you to divulge information for the sake of using an OS you've already paid for! This is Totalitarianism at its utmost, placing to interests of the individual so far beind their own wishes. Obtaining a hack for Win XP does not necessarily preclude piracy but gives one the CHOICE of what information to divulge to the world-at-large. Of couse, there are lots more choices than that and they begin with Mandrake, Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, etc, etc, etc... Richie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
9/8/2001 7:18:43 AM, etharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: about a million people are going to tell you (and they are correct) that the GIMP is every bit as good as photoshop, and they do not have the US gov. put people in jail for talking about how poor their encryption is under the DMCA. And a million graphic designers would reply that Gimp doesn't have Pantone colors, and probably never will. It's useless for a lot of people. /// Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
On Saturday 08 September 2001 12:58, jennifer wrote: On Saturday 08 September 2001 11:56, richied wrote: On September 8, 2001 09:42 am, Siavash Sefidvash wrote: Apologies for sounding naive, but is not fair to get paid for your efforts.? ...There's actually a bigger issue at stake. Win XP is actually taking a fingerpint of your system. Your NIC, HDD, CD-ROM, CPU, etc all have unique serial numbers and Win XP gathers them all up with your name and address and sends them to Redmond, WA so you can get an unlocking code in return for your copy of the OS. While it does guarantee a reduction in piracy is is a flagrant disrespect on your privacy, forcing you to divulge information for the sake of using an OS you've already paid for! This is Totalitarianism at its utmost, placing to interests of the individual so far beind their own wishes. Obtaining a hack for Win XP does not necessarily preclude piracy but gives one the CHOICE of what information to divulge to the world-at-large. Of couse, there are lots more choices than that and they begin with Mandrake, Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, etc, etc, etc... Richie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: I am actually curious as to how someone without internet access is supposed to get this unlock code. has microsoft addressed this or are they only going to make their product availible to those who live in areas that have internet access? I know that there are huge areas in the southwest that still don't have internet access. You can read the activation information to them over the telephone and receive the actiavtion code that way. It is described on their site. Also, while it does a non-unique hash on the hardware, (Not that much violation of privacy after all, since the hash cannot be decoded to a specific configuration--several configurations map to the same hash code)., it stores that and the activation in a file on the system. Guess what copying that file to a floppy and loading it on another system does? Cracked, totally, fatally, finally. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
FW: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already
Hi, I would want applications like Dreamweaver UltraDev and to a lesser extent PhotoShop before I could comfortably abandon Windows. Someone ought bring pressure to bare on Macromedia and thier ilk. Another issue would be that of plug n play. If LINUX could have that and take the headache of driver configuration it would be a real dream come true. I still have not managed to install Mandrake 8 yet on account of NIC detection/installation. It's an old ISA 3COM 10 MB ethernet ( none combo ) that is easily picked up in windoz. I am very new to LINUX. Siavash -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dr. Evil Sent: 07 September 2001 04:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: Win XP hacked already Tom, other than gaming what uses do you see for Windows? I've been looking forward to scrubbing it from my hd's, but your comment gives me pause. As far as I know, for most users, there is no use aside from gaming, and even for gaming, there are native Linux games, and apparently quite a few Windows games run under Wine. The other exception is that there are quite a few applications that can ONLY run on Windows for some specific purposes. Perhaps you need Autocad, or some other specific app which is Windows only. But if you're just an ordinary user who surfs the web, does word processing, this kind of thing, you don't need Windows at all. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
