Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 16:46:31 + Miark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think you underestimate Mandrake and their ability to learn from > past errors. While it's true that earlier releases initially had > problems, 9.0 has undergone very extensive testing, including three > betas, and two or three RCs. And instead of pushing to release bugware > on the initial release date of Sept. 13, they chose to put it off > until they could hammer out as many bugs as possible. And since it's > release a couple weeks ago, how many updates have been made available? > I've seen two, maybe three. > > Don't get me wrong; I'm sure not everything is perfect. But I'm > perfectly confident that installing 9.0 on a primary machine is not > the Armageddon you describe. And, also, the number of possible hardware combinations is to all effects and purposes infinite; no practical, or even possible, number of beta testers could possibly test any more than an infinitesimal area of the "hardware space". The miracle, given the amount of cooperation there generally is from hardware vendors*, is that it works at all! Just to add my 2 pence worth, I have one machine on which paid work is done, ran all betas and release clients (and was a poor beta tester because it's an 18-month-old machine and largely "just worked") and am now doing a cooker update every Saturday. Why? Because, by inspection, Mandrakesoft can be trusted to keep things working for what I do. I would never dare replace large chunks of anybody else's operating system each week on a sole machine ;) Alastair * I've just acquired an old Dell laptop (CPi D266XT) with a semi-ruined installation of Windows 95 and want to replace it with Mandrake once I've put 128MB of memory in. I came across a very abrupt statement somewhere from Neomagic (graphics chipset vendors) stating that no drivers would be produced for Linux and there would be no release whatsoever of information to third parties. The miracle is ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9
On Saturday 12 October 2002 03:57 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 11 Oct 2002 11:20 pm, you wrote: > > On Friday October 11 2002 01:25 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Friday 11 Oct 2002 8:27 am, you wrote: > > > > On Wednesday 09 October 2002 09:29 pm, you wrote: > > > > > > > > Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when you have 8.2 > > > > and it works (unless you really want to deal with a new distro's > > > > issues)? New releases always have problems (8.0 probably had the > > > > least of the new ones), and IMO are really NOT for use on my > > > > primary machine. In a month or two it might be ready. > > > > > > Although I have ordered the disks, after reading of the problems I > > > had come to the same conclusion. Of course in the bad old days we > > > accepted that you never buy release x.0 of anything, always wait for > > > x.1, and I guess Mandrake is probably no different. And I totally > > > accept the reasoning you give. > > > > > > Anne > > > >Then you're both have a different approach and understanding than I > > do. IMO, 9.0 is nothin but 8.x upgraded and fixed. 9.1 will be 9.0 > > upgraded and fixed. What falls behind, far as I can tell, is those > > that aren't fixed or upgraded, often hardware, more often users. > > 'Course those two catagories alone account for 95% of most problems in > > the first place. > > > >Every six months when there's a new release, there's always the 5% > > proclaiming that was > better>. This> ready/rushed/'accept the idea' to not use a '.0 release'/, or sux>. > > So you don't acce[t that the software houses learn from the myriad > installations that are reported to them? > > >Seems all a terrible release has to do for some people, is to age six > > months for users to catch up and begin believin it's the 'best', or at > > least . So, if you find yourself believin 'every > > body knows', or listen to the rest of the 5%, then wait 5 months to > > install 9.0. For my part I'm already workin/usin 9.0+ > > > >The 'No sound in LM9' situation in Mdk 9.0 is to save the 5% and some > > others, from themselves. ISA devices (most of which are sound cards) > > are no longer automatically probed, and setup. This is mainly caused by > > even more numerous complaints from unknowing users (who are also > > buyers) of substandard, non-compliant, obsolete, or unknown hardware > > (mostly motherboards, sound cards) causing hardware freezes/lockups > > during auto detection. > > I fail to see how you class SoundBlaster Live and Audigy cards as ISA > devices, or as substandard, non-compliant, obsolete or unknown hardware. > > Anne I don't think the SoundBlaster Live PCI card is one he is refering to. At least from my experience it has been detected and runs fine since 8.2 and took a bit of effort in 8.1 but seems to be good now. Audigy was so new that no drivers were included in the first run of 8.2 or so it seemed, and I don't know if SoundBlaster ever released the Audigy drivers. So I think what he is saying is that the ISA cards are old obsolete architecture and are being phased out. Notice not many new Motherboard designs include ISA slots? My $.02 and probably worth some change back at that. : ) -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9
On Friday 11 Oct 2002 11:20 pm, you wrote: > On Friday October 11 2002 01:25 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Friday 11 Oct 2002 8:27 am, you wrote: > > > On Wednesday 09 October 2002 09:29 pm, you wrote: > > > > > > Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when you have 8.2 > > > and it works (unless you really want to deal with a new distro's > > > issues)? New releases always have problems (8.0 probably had the > > > least of the new ones), and IMO are really NOT for use on my > > > primary machine. In a month or two it might be ready. > > > > Although I have ordered the disks, after reading of the problems I > > had come to the same conclusion. Of course in the bad old days we > > accepted that you never buy release x.0 of anything, always wait for > > x.1, and I guess Mandrake is probably no different. And I totally > > accept the reasoning you give. > > > > Anne > >Then you're both have a different approach and understanding than I > do. IMO, 9.0 is nothin but 8.x upgraded and fixed. 9.1 will be 9.0 > upgraded and fixed. What falls behind, far as I can tell, is those > that aren't fixed or upgraded, often hardware, more often users. > 'Course those two catagories alone account for 95% of most problems in > the first place. > >Every six months when there's a new release, there's always the 5% > proclaiming that was better>. Thisready/rushed/'accept the idea' to not use a '.0 release'/, or sux>. > So you don't acce[t that the software houses learn from the myriad installations that are reported to them? >Seems all a terrible release has to do for some people, is to age six > months for users to catch up and begin believin it's the 'best', or at > least . So, if you find yourself believin 'every > body knows', or listen to the rest of the 5%, then wait 5 months to > install 9.0. For my part I'm already workin/usin 9.0+ > >The 'No sound in LM9' situation in Mdk 9.0 is to save the 5% and some > others, from themselves. ISA devices (most of which are sound cards) > are no longer automatically probed, and setup. This is mainly caused by > even more numerous complaints from unknowing users (who are also > buyers) of substandard, non-compliant, obsolete, or unknown hardware > (mostly motherboards, sound cards) causing hardware freezes/lockups > during auto detection. I fail to see how you class SoundBlaster Live and Audigy cards as ISA devices, or as substandard, non-compliant, obsolete or unknown hardware. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9
On Friday October 11 2002 01:25 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Friday 11 Oct 2002 8:27 am, you wrote: > > On Wednesday 09 October 2002 09:29 pm, you wrote: > > > > Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when you have 8.2 > > and it works (unless you really want to deal with a new distro's > > issues)? New releases always have problems (8.0 probably had the > > least of the new ones), and IMO are really NOT for use on my > > primary machine. In a month or two it might be ready. > > Although I have ordered the disks, after reading of the problems I > had come to the same conclusion. Of course in the bad old days we > accepted that you never buy release x.0 of anything, always wait for > x.1, and I guess Mandrake is probably no different. And I totally > accept the reasoning you give. > > Anne Then you're both have a different approach and understanding than I do. IMO, 9.0 is nothin but 8.x upgraded and fixed. 9.1 will be 9.0 upgraded and fixed. What falls behind, far as I can tell, is those that aren't fixed or upgraded, often hardware, more often users. 'Course those two catagories alone account for 95% of most problems in the first place. Every six months when there's a new release, there's always the 5% proclaiming that was . This . Seems all a terrible release has to do for some people, is to age six months for users to catch up and begin believin it's the 'best', or at least . So, if you find yourself believin 'every body knows', or listen to the rest of the 5%, then wait 5 months to install 9.0. For my part I'm already workin/usin 9.0+ The 'No sound in LM9' situation in Mdk 9.0 is to save the 5% and some others, from themselves. ISA devices (most of which are sound cards) are no longer automatically probed, and setup. This is mainly caused by even more numerous complaints from unknowing users (who are also buyers) of substandard, non-compliant, obsolete, or unknown hardware (mostly motherboards, sound cards) causing hardware freezes/lockups during auto detection. If your reaction to my little rant above includes "but it works great with Windoze", then you understand the M$/hardware situation much differently than I do. Y'allsMMV -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] No sound in LM9
Title: RE: [newbie] No sound in LM9 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miark Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9 > Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when you have 8.2 and it > works (unless you really want to deal with a new distro's issues)? New > releases always have problems (8.0 probably had the least of the new ones), > and IMO are really NOT for use on my primary machine. In a month or two it > might be ready. Mandrake tends to the cutting edge more than any other > commercial distro--Mandrake was first with supermount, first with JFS, first > to include CUPS, etc... Don't be naiive and think that your system is > immune to > a new distro's problems because the last distro worked. If > you only have one computer, my advice is to wait and see what transpires > before rushing to install anything that is newly released. I think you underestimate Mandrake and their ability to learn from past errors. While it's true that earlier releases initially had problems, 9.0 has undergone very extensive testing, including three betas, and two or three RCs. And instead of pushing to release bugware on the initial release date of Sept. 13, they chose to put it off until they could hammer out as many bugs as possible. And since it's release a couple weeks ago, how many updates have been made available? I've seen two, maybe three. Don't get me wrong; I'm sure not everything is perfect. But I'm perfectly confident that installing 9.0 on a primary machine is not the Armageddon you describe. Miark I have to agree with Miark, I have installed on two machines and have friends who have installed on three more and have no reported problems at all. One of my machines didn't want to use xmms, but I solved that in a couple of minutes of investigation. 9.0 seems to be the cleanest release yet, I have usb, compactflash reader cdwriters, internet through lan, printer all detected and running smooth as silk. There must be some hardware settings or inconsistancies in the bios or other settings that make the difference. I have set up my machine with a /obj partition that I copy all important files to and then wipe everything else including /home to get a basically clean install. I can then copy the files from /obj back to /home and if there is a fundemental problem in one of those files I know right away which one. 9.0 is better and faster to install than Windows XP. Just my $.02. Dennis M.
Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9
> Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when you have 8.2 and it > works (unless you really want to deal with a new distro's issues)? New > releases always have problems (8.0 probably had the least of the new ones), > and IMO are really NOT for use on my primary machine. In a month or two it > might be ready. Mandrake tends to the cutting edge more than any other > commercial distro--Mandrake was first with supermount, first with JFS, first > to include CUPS, etc... Don't be naiive and think that your system is > immune to > a new distro's problems because the last distro worked. If > you only have one computer, my advice is to wait and see what transpires > before rushing to install anything that is newly released. I think you underestimate Mandrake and their ability to learn from past errors. While it's true that earlier releases initially had problems, 9.0 has undergone very extensive testing, including three betas, and two or three RCs. And instead of pushing to release bugware on the initial release date of Sept. 13, they chose to put it off until they could hammer out as many bugs as possible. And since it's release a couple weeks ago, how many updates have been made available? I've seen two, maybe three. Don't get me wrong; I'm sure not everything is perfect. But I'm perfectly confident that installing 9.0 on a primary machine is not the Armageddon you describe. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9
On Wednesday 09 October 2002 09:29 pm, you wrote: > Dear All, > > Besides my HP usb printer and scanner not working my sound does not work > just yet. It worked finally in 8.2 with the OSS commercial driver and > with Alsa eventually however, my purchased oss driver is not working on > 9. Is there anyway I can get my sound to work on 9? > It is the viachipset VT8233A onboard sound. Actually for a moment there > was some sound coming from a midi player then it stopped. If I finally > get my printer, scanner, and sound working well I will be a happy camper > otherwise I may have to update my Windows and that would be depressing. > I really have loved linux for 2 years but this is the most discouraged I > have felt about using it. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you, > Marcia Good Grief people. Why are you upgrading to 9.0 when you have 8.2 and it works (unless you really want to deal with a new distro's issues)? New releases always have problems (8.0 probably had the least of the new ones), and IMO are really NOT for use on my primary machine. In a month or two it might be ready. Mandrake tends to the cutting edge more than any other commercial distro--Mandrake was first with supermount, first with JFS, first to include CUPS, etc. Being first means there will be issues with some system configurations, because no amount of beta testing can substitute for the myriad of hardware combinations found in general use. And, if there are complaints that Mandrake (or any Linux distro) doesn't work with some of the newest hardware--well, Linux users need to choose their hardware carefully, and that often means the latest and greatest shouldn't be installed in essential machines. As a rule, one generation back will work (and work extremely well), and will be a heck of a lot less expensive, too. What I'm trying to say is that the problems that are showing up will be solved, but maybe not this week, or even this month. Most appear to be hardware related, or bugs that are related to hardware configuration in particular machines. Don't be naiive and think that your system is immune to a new distro's problems because the last distro worked. If you only have one computer, my advice is to wait and see what transpires before rushing to install anything that is newly released. I installed a quadruple boot system on a laptop (gateway 450sx) at work yesterday--DOS/W3.11, W98, W2K and Mdk8.2. Mandrake is the only one that booted up with everything working (except the AMR modem, but that will never work with linux). W2K required 40 minutes of installing drivers after the initial installation, and of course the crummy winmodem worked. W98 took a couple of hours downloading, installing drivers and configuring (and crashing repeatedly during driver installation). DOS drivers aren't available for most of the gateway's hardware. I've done similar installs many times, and IMO 8.2 is a winner of an OS. I ain't ready to try that with 9.0. I don't mean to offend anyone, but I feel the need to rant about this. e. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound in LM9
Marcia wrote: > Dear All, > > Besides my HP usb printer and scanner not working my sound does not > work just yet. It worked finally in 8.2 with the OSS commercial driver > and with Alsa eventually however, my purchased oss driver is not > working on 9. Is there anyway I can get my sound to work on 9? > It is the viachipset VT8233A onboard sound. Actually for a moment > there was some sound coming from a midi player then it stopped. If I > finally get my printer, scanner, and sound working well I will be a > happy camper otherwise I may have to update my Windows and that would > be depressing. I really have loved linux for 2 years but this is the > most discouraged I have felt about using it. Any help will be greatly > appreciated. > > Thank you, > Marcia > > I don't have M9.0 , but I have via 8233 sound chipset with AC97 audio codec on a MSI Mobo with M8.2 , which only required the correct entries in modules.conf:- # ALSA native device support alias char-major-116 snd alias snd-card-0 snd-card-via8233 I also had aRts enabled.I don't know if this helps. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
