Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 07:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > I would recommend XFCE4, it's easy to install, > > thanks to Todd Slater > > there are RPMs on the site, and is extremely light, > > should run fine on > > those machines, I know it did on my P233 with > > similar memory. > > I've always thought IceWM to be one of the lightest > WMs. There probably isn't a way to weigh these > things, but you find XFCE4 to be faster?? Not comparing, just speaking from experience. That Compaq I had a while back ran XFCE4 with no indications of sluggish behaviour. > > If it is possible, I might recommend picking up some > > additional RAM, > > SDRAM for those boxes is cheaper than duck shit > > right now, you can pick > > up a 128MB stick for about 20 or 30 dollars. > > > > It's at around $15 on pricewatch... =) Gotta love > inexpensive RAM! I've thought about purchasing a > faster processor (400-500Mhz?) since they are quite > cheap too. However, then the mobo and disks could > probably use an upgrade as well. The ideal situation > would be to get these things functional w/out any > additional purchases or hardware changes. Well, again, in my experience, RAM makes a *huge* difference in performance. That old Compaq I mentioned? It has 192 MB of SDRAM in it and it is now running Win2K full bore, no problems at all. No need for better proc or drives, the RAM will boost perf enough. > > > If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems? > > I > > > still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped > > > support for this version - this could lead to a > > > comprimised system. > > > > I would even suggest grabbing the latest 9.2 > > release, there have been > > some enhancements and fixes that are fairly > > significant. > > This is where you got me... It almost sounds that > you're saying 9.2 is not any more (if not less) > recsource intensive then 8.2. It may seem to be a > windows mentality, but I would think common sense > would dictate that more advanced software requires > more advanced hardware. What's the case here? I'm currently running 9.1 on a P166, again with "extra" RAM, I believe 128MB, maybe 192, and it runs fine. It's using Pekwm, which is *very* light, but otherwise, it handles everything I throw at it. It's my webserver, MLDonkey client, mail server, etc. Of course it doesn't do as well as a P200 would, but it would be just fine as a basic workstation, as long as the GUI was kept light. I don't see why 9.2 would be any different, and if he's not going to be running as many services, like Postfix, Apache, etc., then it should be just fine. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ When the speaker and he to whom he is speaks do not understand, that is metaphysics. -- Voltaire Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?
--- Lanman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Been there, Done that! Can you say LTSP Tango? > > IMHO, it's a much better solution than independant > installs. > > Write me off list if you need to know more. > > Lanman > > *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** > Hi Lanman! Hoped you'd pop in on this topic... Yes, I looked into LTSP a little over a year ago... Seemed nice, but you still have that terminal server investment: the server hardware. In an ideal world that would be great to setup, but I'm *hoping* to just make due with what I have for hardware resources. Unless there is more to this technology then I realize? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?
--- HaywireMac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) > Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > > > I've got a couple 200 Mhz 128 MB Dells that I'd > I would recommend XFCE4, it's easy to install, > thanks to Todd Slater > there are RPMs on the site, and is extremely light, > should run fine on > those machines, I know it did on my P233 with > similar memory. I've always thought IceWM to be one of the lightest WMs. There probably isn't a way to weigh these things, but you find XFCE4 to be faster?? > If it is possible, I might recommend picking up some > additional RAM, > SDRAM for those boxes is cheaper than duck shit > right now, you can pick > up a 128MB stick for about 20 or 30 dollars. > It's at around $15 on pricewatch... =) Gotta love inexpensive RAM! I've thought about purchasing a faster processor (400-500Mhz?) since they are quite cheap too. However, then the mobo and disks could probably use an upgrade as well. The ideal situation would be to get these things functional w/out any additional purchases or hardware changes. > > If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems? > I > > still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped > > support for this version - this could lead to a > > comprimised system. > > I would even suggest grabbing the latest 9.2 > release, there have been > some enhancements and fixes that are fairly > significant. This is where you got me... It almost sounds that you're saying 9.2 is not any more (if not less) recsource intensive then 8.2. It may seem to be a windows mentality, but I would think common sense would dictate that more advanced software requires more advanced hardware. What's the case here? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?
Had a feeling you'd pipe in on this topic Simo. LOL! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10/16/2003 at 11:19 AM AtlasLion wrote: >I totally recommend the K12LTSP it's with RedHat I already tried the LTSP >with Mandrake but it's very slow + bugs, >but with K12LTSP it's really running faster and no problem + you setup only >one user and for the others it will be the same. >Give it a shut and if you need a help let me know. >Good luck > >-Message d'origine- >De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de HaywireMac >Envoye : 15 octobre, 2003 12:11 >A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Objet : Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO? > >On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) >Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > >> I've got a couple 200 Mhz 128 MB Dells that I'd like >> to throw Mandrake on for the local Library. I put 9.1 >> on it, but I think that's to much for it - even >> running IceWM. > >I would recommend XFCE4, it's easy to install, thanks to Todd Slater >there are RPMs on the site, and is extremely light, should run fine on >those machines, I know it did on my P233 with similar memory. > >http://www.xfce.org/ > >If it is possible, I might recommend picking up some additional RAM, >SDRAM for those boxes is cheaper than duck shit right now, you can pick >up a 128MB stick for about 20 or 30 dollars. > >> Are there any HOWTOs similar to what I'm trying to >> accomplish here? Users will need to be locked down as >> not to tamper with configuration or install any >> software. However, tasks such as web browsing, >> chatting (multi user?), viewing multimedia, and using >> office applications will be standard usage. > >Generally, as long as the individual users do not have the root >password, they will not be able to go beyond what you want them to do. >The only access they will have is to their own dir, and if you set up >only one "general" user, like a 'guest' account, then you seriously >minimize the admin and maintenance aspects. They *would* need to have >write perms to this home dir, though, even to do simple browsing and >such, as config files are created and changed by the applications in >general use. Most config files, though, are "hidden", so unless the user >is fairly savvy, they would not even see these files if they opened a >file manager or terminal. You could very easily hide access to a >terminal window or file manager simply by not having one available >through the GUI. > >Set the security level to just higher than "standard" and you should >have no problems, certainly far less than you would on a Windows box. > >> If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems? I >> still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped >> support for this version - this could lead to a >> comprimised system. > >I would even suggest grabbing the latest 9.2 release, there have been >some enhancements and fixes that are fairly significant. > >-- >HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 >Registered Linux user #282046 >Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org >++ >Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org >++ >No matter where I go, the place is always called "here". > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?
I totally recommend the K12LTSP it's with RedHat I already tried the LTSP with Mandrake but it's very slow + bugs, but with K12LTSP it's really running faster and no problem + you setup only one user and for the others it will be the same. Give it a shut and if you need a help let me know. Good luck -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de HaywireMac Envoye : 15 octobre, 2003 12:11 A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO? On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > I've got a couple 200 Mhz 128 MB Dells that I'd like > to throw Mandrake on for the local Library. I put 9.1 > on it, but I think that's to much for it - even > running IceWM. I would recommend XFCE4, it's easy to install, thanks to Todd Slater there are RPMs on the site, and is extremely light, should run fine on those machines, I know it did on my P233 with similar memory. http://www.xfce.org/ If it is possible, I might recommend picking up some additional RAM, SDRAM for those boxes is cheaper than duck shit right now, you can pick up a 128MB stick for about 20 or 30 dollars. > Are there any HOWTOs similar to what I'm trying to > accomplish here? Users will need to be locked down as > not to tamper with configuration or install any > software. However, tasks such as web browsing, > chatting (multi user?), viewing multimedia, and using > office applications will be standard usage. Generally, as long as the individual users do not have the root password, they will not be able to go beyond what you want them to do. The only access they will have is to their own dir, and if you set up only one "general" user, like a 'guest' account, then you seriously minimize the admin and maintenance aspects. They *would* need to have write perms to this home dir, though, even to do simple browsing and such, as config files are created and changed by the applications in general use. Most config files, though, are "hidden", so unless the user is fairly savvy, they would not even see these files if they opened a file manager or terminal. You could very easily hide access to a terminal window or file manager simply by not having one available through the GUI. Set the security level to just higher than "standard" and you should have no problems, certainly far less than you would on a Windows box. > If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems? I > still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped > support for this version - this could lead to a > comprimised system. I would even suggest grabbing the latest 9.2 release, there have been some enhancements and fixes that are fairly significant. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ No matter where I go, the place is always called "here". Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?
Been there, Done that! Can you say LTSP Tango? IMHO, it's a much better solution than independant installs. Write me off list if you need to know more. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 10/15/2003 at 8:53 AM Tango Echo wrote: >Hi all, > >I've got a couple 200 Mhz 128 MB Dells that I'd like >to throw Mandrake on for the local Library. I put 9.1 >on it, but I think that's to much for it - even >running IceWM. > >Are there any HOWTOs similar to what I'm trying to >accomplish here? Users will need to be locked down as >not to tamper with configuration or install any >software. However, tasks such as web browsing, >chatting (multi user?), viewing multimedia, and using >office applications will be standard usage. > >If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems? I >still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped >support for this version - this could lead to a >comprimised system. > >Thanks in advance, > >Tango > >__ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search >http://shopping.yahoo.com > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > I've got a couple 200 Mhz 128 MB Dells that I'd like > to throw Mandrake on for the local Library. I put 9.1 > on it, but I think that's to much for it - even > running IceWM. I would recommend XFCE4, it's easy to install, thanks to Todd Slater there are RPMs on the site, and is extremely light, should run fine on those machines, I know it did on my P233 with similar memory. http://www.xfce.org/ If it is possible, I might recommend picking up some additional RAM, SDRAM for those boxes is cheaper than duck shit right now, you can pick up a 128MB stick for about 20 or 30 dollars. > Are there any HOWTOs similar to what I'm trying to > accomplish here? Users will need to be locked down as > not to tamper with configuration or install any > software. However, tasks such as web browsing, > chatting (multi user?), viewing multimedia, and using > office applications will be standard usage. Generally, as long as the individual users do not have the root password, they will not be able to go beyond what you want them to do. The only access they will have is to their own dir, and if you set up only one "general" user, like a 'guest' account, then you seriously minimize the admin and maintenance aspects. They *would* need to have write perms to this home dir, though, even to do simple browsing and such, as config files are created and changed by the applications in general use. Most config files, though, are "hidden", so unless the user is fairly savvy, they would not even see these files if they opened a file manager or terminal. You could very easily hide access to a terminal window or file manager simply by not having one available through the GUI. Set the security level to just higher than "standard" and you should have no problems, certainly far less than you would on a Windows box. > If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems? I > still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped > support for this version - this could lead to a > comprimised system. I would even suggest grabbing the latest 9.2 release, there have been some enhancements and fixes that are fairly significant. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ No matter where I go, the place is always called "here". Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Public Library Mandrake HOWTO?
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) Tango Echo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered: > I've got a couple 200 Mhz 128 MB Dells that I'd like > to throw Mandrake on for the local Library. I put 9.1 > on it, but I think that's to much for it - even > running IceWM. I would recommend XFCE4, it's easy to install, thanks to Todd Slater there are RPMs on the site, and is extremely light, should run fine on those machines, I know it did on my P233 with similar memory. http://www.xfce.org/ If it is possible, I might recommend picking up some additional RAM, SDRAM for those boxes is cheaper than duck shit right now, you can pick up a 128MB stick for about 20 or 30 dollars. > Are there any HOWTOs similar to what I'm trying to > accomplish here? Users will need to be locked down as > not to tamper with configuration or install any > software. However, tasks such as web browsing, > chatting (multi user?), viewing multimedia, and using > office applications will be standard usage. Generally, as long as the individual users do not have the root password, they will not be able to go beyond what you want them to do. The only access they will have is to their own dir, and if you set up only one "general" user, like a 'guest' account, then you seriously minimize the admin and maintenance aspects. They *would* need to have write perms to this home dir, though, even to do simple browsing and such, as config files are created and changed by the applications in general use. Most config files, though, are "hidden", so unless the user is fairly savvy, they would not even see these files if they opened a file manager or terminal. You could very easily hide access to a terminal window or file manager simply by not having one available through the GUI. Set the security level to just higher than "standard" and you should have no problems, certainly far less than you would on a Windows box. > If not, what do you suggst I do for these systems? I > still have the MDK 8.2 disks, but Mandrake dropped > support for this version - this could lead to a > comprimised system. I would even suggest grabbing the latest 9.2 release, there have been some enhancements and fixes that are fairly significant. -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's & More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ No matter where I go, the place is always called "here". Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
