Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
On Thu, 01 Nov 2001 09:18:30 -0500, Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) It really depends on what you're doing. I wasn't trying to diss ReiserFS in my earlier post - I use it at home and I quite like it. However, every FS has its strengths and weaknesses, and overall I think that Ext3 is a better server FS. ReiserFS is best when space is at a premium (because the tails can be packed), or when you're dealing with many small files. The former case is uncommon in the server arena (since servers usually have oodles of space). The latter may come into play in a webserver environment, where many small HTML and picture files are served. I have little idea of how ReiserFS currently behaves in a RAID environment, which is common on servers. It used to have RAID issues, but now I believe it works... slowly (IIRC). ReiserFS is built using balanced trees, which are generally slow. Nevertheless, Hans Reiser and his crew have done a marvellous job at making ReiserFS a relatively fast FS. Still, I don't think it is a real 'heavy duty' FS, nor was it designed to be. Reiser 4, due 30 September 2002, will be built using the more advanced dancing trees method. It will feature a plug-in architecture, allowing the easy creation and addition of extensions. It will be secure (they're being funded by the US Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency), and it should be capable of doing what ReiserFS was originally slated to do - host a database _directly_ on the filesystem. This should dramatically boost database performance, and should make Reiser 4 the fastest FS around for databases. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan Microsoft? Is that a kind of a toilet paper? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have chance to play with it yet... having exams now... -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount your partitions with the notail parameter. However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and business-oriented distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's basically malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when you try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it disapproves. -- Thomas C. Greene, Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2, The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
oh no... I use ReiserFS for /... how do I change that to wat ever u recommend? or do I have to reinstall the whole system? so sorry that I asked so many questions -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 01:20 To: Loke Kit Kai Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... My /etc/fstab line looks like this: /dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1 You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet). On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have chance to play with it yet... having exams now... -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount your partitions with the notail parameter. However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and business-oriented distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's basically malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when you try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it disapproves. -- Thomas C. Greene, Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2, The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, Computer Networks, 2nd ed, p.25 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
Old reiserfs versions, like those that come with 7.2 and before can have problems with disk intensive operations, like runnin postfix on it on a high intake mail server.. I had this problem myself, and it was on a box that only did 6000 odd emails a day.. got heaps of error messages in the logs from postfix reporting file system problems, I asked on the postfix list and its a known issue with reiserfs, which has apparently been fixed with 8.1's version.. I have not had any problems yet,, but have yet to put it on the mail server... in all other areas, Reiserfs has been flawless.. I look forward to the upcoming complete rebuild of it. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2001 11:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
I have done that before myself with no problems.. but if you want to change it, it should be the same as any other partition... make a new partition and format it ext2 or 3, (dunno if it has to be at the start of the disk or not, but it couldn't hurt) copy everything from boot into it.. then edit /etc/fstab to point /boot to your new partiton.. reboot.. like I said, I have not done it with boot before, but I did it totally sucessfully with /var in 8.1 (in my case, /var ran out of space and I needed heaps more, so I added another drive (three in that system now) and created /var2 on it.. formated it reiserfs and mounted it and copied everything from var into it.. then edited fstab to mount that new partition as var and removed the entry for the old one.. then rebooted and lo and behold,, it worked. I was feeling rather proud of myself. :-) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 1:25 AM To: 'Sridhar Dhanapalan'; Mandrake List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... oh no... I use ReiserFS for /... how do I change that to wat ever u recommend? or do I have to reinstall the whole system? so sorry that I asked so many questions -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 01:20 To: Loke Kit Kai Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... My /etc/fstab line looks like this: /dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1 You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet). On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have chance to play with it yet... having exams now... -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount your partitions with the notail parameter. However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and business-oriented distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's basically malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when you try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it disapproves. -- Thomas C. Greene, Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2, The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, Computer Networks, 2nd ed, p.25 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
well, if u say it will run with no problems, then I wouldn't change it...simply because that was my experiment os... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Franki Sent: 02 November 2001 02:04 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... I have done that before myself with no problems.. but if you want to change it, it should be the same as any other partition... make a new partition and format it ext2 or 3, (dunno if it has to be at the start of the disk or not, but it couldn't hurt) copy everything from boot into it.. then edit /etc/fstab to point /boot to your new partiton.. reboot.. like I said, I have not done it with boot before, but I did it totally sucessfully with /var in 8.1 (in my case, /var ran out of space and I needed heaps more, so I added another drive (three in that system now) and created /var2 on it.. formated it reiserfs and mounted it and copied everything from var into it.. then edited fstab to mount that new partition as var and removed the entry for the old one.. then rebooted and lo and behold,, it worked. I was feeling rather proud of myself. :-) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Loke Kit Kai Sent: Friday, 2 November 2001 1:25 AM To: 'Sridhar Dhanapalan'; Mandrake List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... oh no... I use ReiserFS for /... how do I change that to wat ever u recommend? or do I have to reinstall the whole system? so sorry that I asked so many questions -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 01:20 To: Loke Kit Kai Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... My /etc/fstab line looks like this: /dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1 You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet). On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have chance to play with it yet... having exams now... -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount your partitions with the notail parameter. However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and business-oriented distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's basically malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when you try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it disapproves. -- Thomas C. Greene, Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2, The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, Computer Networks, 2nd ed, p.25 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat...
My /etc/fstab line looks like this: /dev/hda1 / reiserfs notail 1 1 You probably shouldn't be using ReiserFS for /, though. There are some known problems with doing so, but I haven't noticed any (yet). On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 00:59:53 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do I do that? I just installed mandrake 8.1, but don't really have chance to play with it yet... having exams now... -Original Message- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 November 2001 00:52 To: Loke Kit Kai; Mandrake Newbie List Subject: Re: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... For a home system, basically nothing. I use it myself. Just be sure to mount your partitions with the notail parameter. However, we are talking about Red Hat, which is a server- and business-oriented distro. I don't believe that ReiserFS is the best choice of FS for servers. On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 23:44:29 +0800, Loke Kit Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: may i know wat's wrong with ReiserFS? i thought a lot of ppl using that? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: 01 November 2001 22:19 To: Mandrake Newbie List Subject: [newbie] Reiser FS/ext3/Redhat... Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: I think that Red Hat had a very valid reason _not_ to include ReiserFS. You must remember that Red Hat is a server distro that prizes security and reliability Hi! Just as an observation, while on the Linux Lunacy trip, I got a chance to hear Michael Johnson of Redhat speak. He was asked by a software engineer from Brussels why not ReiserFS. Michael made comments to the effect of what you just said. However, to be fair, didn't ext3 fail Civileme's sledgehammer hardware test? So...I guess there are valid concerns both ways. Once the ReiserFS gets a little maturity, do you think it will stack up better serverwise, against the ext3 fs? Later! ;-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ -- Sridhar Dhanapalan ... if you're a basic PC user thinking about buying XP, don't. It's basically malware. It harangues you with nagging, fake-friendly reminders to obtain a Passport and submit to product activation, and treats you like a child when you try to do anything heretical, like install a device driver of which it disapproves. -- Thomas C. Greene, Win-XP vs Red Hat 7.2, The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk), 2001-10-30. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from. -- Andrew S. Tanenbaum, Computer Networks, 2nd ed, p.25 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
