RE: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
I did this with no problems. First you have to run defrag, and make sure you have enough empty space at the end of the windows partition. Then you run the mandrake installer, and when it gets to the partitioning, resize your windows partition (if there's any warnings like 234443434 210008593 then cancel it, you would lose data). Just create your linux partitions and you're ready to install. Make sure you back up your windows files before you do this, i had to reinstall windows the first time I tried to install mandrake. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 5:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning Have I missed something here? I understood that the DOS version of fdisk zeroed (what was that called?) when used to repartition a HDD, thus forcing a reinstall. I understood that the Linux fdisk only altered the partition information itself. I thought that was why all of the gyrations to resize a DOS partition to make room for Linux were necessary. Is there a simple way to resize a DOS partition without having to reinstall Windoze, for those of us still stuck having to use it? -Gary- In a message dated 9/6/2000 5:23:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have accomplished and the same task that you are conjecturing over. Adrian is correct in that you have to firt defrag your haddrive (run an error test first!). ONce you have did this, you can either use fdisk in DOS, which I have also did successfully, to repartition your windoze drive or do it all from diskdrake. I took the added precaution of writing down my harddrive "properties" (the actual size of information currently occupied on my harddrive.) so that I could give windows two GBs of harddrive space. The rest
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
hey Al, so are you saying that you used fdisk to resize the partitions on a disk without losing the data on them??? i didn't think that could be done. thanks much on this subject, a question for whomever: i'm thinking it is a better thing to start with fdisk (or similar) and and blank drive and partition it up that way as opposed to using Partition Magic or something similar to slice dice existing drives with data on them. i say "better" in regards to providing better performance. you folks think it makes a difference or not?? thanks for you input. Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Altoine Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3:22:15 AM 9/6/00 I have accomplished and the same task that you are conjecturing over. Adrian is correct in that you have to firt defrag your haddrive (run an error test first!). ONce you have did this, you can either use fdisk in DOS, which I have also did successfully, to repartition your windoze drive or do it all from diskdrake. I took the added precaution of writing down my harddrive "properties" (the actual size of information currently occupied on my harddrive.) so that I could give windows two GBs of harddrive space. The rest I split with my Windoze 2000 Server (which I rarely frequent.. o O (Note to thyself: remove Windoze 2000) and Linux 7.1 which I adore and love. I hope my input was both informative and encouraging. I have two boxes that I run primarily Linux. One box I use as my "R D" box for all sorts of programs and hardware configurations. The other box, is my baby that I call my "Lady" :) She is the dynamic smooth and powerful result of my labors with "Brutus", my Research and Development box.) --Al
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
hey Paul i think it's on the Mandrake Linux site where you can find the install instuctions. before i bought 7.0 at the store i went to the site printed up the instructions there which included a very good intro / explination of disk partitioning. when i bought 7.0 i found that the book that came with it contained exactly the same information. so you can get this stuff from the site. if you can't find it there drop me a note i'll send you the URL from the printouts that i have. glad i could be of help, instead of asking for help=) Paul said: Yes, you can point out the windows partition. If that does not occupy the entire disk, then you're fine. If it does occupy the entire disk, I do not know if you can resize the partition through diskdrake without losing data, I have never done that. Perhaps someone else knows that? so i say: have to have X amount of free space to create a drive of X size. i think it also helps to defrag the windoze drive before you go to cut it up. i think they mention that in the instructions that come with 7.0 Ahhh... That is the difference. I have used the ISO images for 7.0 and 7.1. I have never seen instructions in books! Thanks for the info. Paul Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Adrian Smith wrote: on this subject, a question for whomever: i'm thinking it is a better thing to start with fdisk (or similar) and and blank drive and partition it up that way as opposed to using Partition Magic or something similar to slice dice existing drives with data on them. i say "better" in regards to providing better performance. you folks think it makes a difference or not?? thanks for you input. I think this depends a lot on what you do with the system. People that do disk-intense work will definitely notice better performance with all partitions straightened out. People that only do light stuff won't notice much difference with the fast disks of these days. Contrary to the 150ms disks that came in the old PC boxes. Who would have dreamt then that 20Megs would be laughed at, someday! Paul -- I'm not into working out. My philosophy: No pain, no pain. -Carol Leifer http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
Have I missed something here? I understood that the DOS version of fdisk zeroed (what was that called?) when used to repartition a HDD, thus forcing a reinstall. I understood that the Linux fdisk only altered the partition information itself. I thought that was why all of the gyrations to resize a DOS partition to make room for Linux were necessary. Is there a simple way to resize a DOS partition without having to reinstall Windoze, for those of us still stuck having to use it? -Gary- In a message dated 9/6/2000 5:23:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have accomplished and the same task that you are conjecturing over. Adrian is correct in that you have to firt defrag your haddrive (run an error test first!). ONce you have did this, you can either use fdisk in DOS, which I have also did successfully, to repartition your windoze drive or do it all from diskdrake. I took the added precaution of writing down my harddrive "properties" (the actual size of information currently occupied on my harddrive.) so that I could give windows two GBs of harddrive space. The rest
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:00:00 EDT, Gary wrote: excerpt: Is there a simple way to resize a DOS partition without having to reinstall Windoze, for those of us still stuck having to use it? -Gary- Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:12:25 Normally the old M$ install has already taken the whole disc...I used a program called fips to nondestructively resize it.. you should have it on your Linux disc someplace, it is a floppy image you can put on a boot disc with rawrite in M$... defrag and scandisc and follow the really good instructions in fips...this good old program will not work with NT or maybe some of the later 98's I don't remember. but it has a backup program built in that will restore your partition table if it gets smeared. I made good use of that.8-) Olly P Biloxi Mississippi
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
Adrian and Paul, I have accomplished and the same task that you are conjecturing over. Adrian is correct in that you have to firt defrag your haddrive (run an error test first!). ONce you have did this, you can either use fdisk in DOS, which I have also did successfully, to repartition your windoze drive or do it all from diskdrake. I took the added precaution of writing down my harddrive "properties" (the actual size of information currently occupied on my harddrive.) so that I could give windows two GBs of harddrive space. The rest I split with my Windoze 2000 Server (which I rarely frequent.. o O (Note to thyself: remove Windoze 2000) and Linux 7.1 which I adore and love. I hope my input was both informative and encouraging. I have two boxes that I run primarily Linux. One box I use as my "R D" box for all sorts of programs and hardware configurations. The other box, is my baby that I call my "Lady" :) She is the dynamic smooth and powerful result of my labors with "Brutus", my Research and Development box.) --Al "Adrian Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul said: Yes, you can point out the windows partition. If that does not occupy the entire disk, then you're fine. If it does occupy the entire disk, I do not know if you can resize the partition through diskdrake without losing data, I have never done that. Perhaps someone else knows that? so i say: If diskdrake is what runs during the GUI install of Mandrake, then yes you can. when i installed 7.0 i used that program to slice a 4G windoze drive into windoze/linux/swap. and it all came out ok for me. of course i have only done it that one time. naturally, to do this you have to have X amount of free space to create a drive of X size. i think it also helps to defrag the windoze drive before you go to cut it up. i think they mention that in the instructions that come with 7.0 Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I am a VERY new newbie in Linux. I have installed 7.1 using the windows install successfully, but I feel that it doesn't give Linux "free rein" and thus am going to attempt a complete install on its own partition. When I run the complete instal, what do I have to tell it about the partitions that it will make? I have a 13 GB HD, and am currently running Win98. I would ideally like to have 8GB for windows, and 4GB for Linux (or may be 7 and 6 as I don't use a lot of storage-hungry apps) First make sure you shrink your windows partition (partition magic, fips, whatever you have available). Then you can leave all the difficult work to the setup. If you want to live dangerously, put everything in 1 partition. I would suggest you create at least a separate /home directory (1 gb) and a separate /usr directory (4 gb) next to / (root) which can use the rest. But this is just how I would do it. Paul -- When you look at Prince Charles, don't you think that someone in the Royal family knew someone in the Royal family? -Robin Williams http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
Paul wrote: On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: I am a VERY new newbie in Linux. I have installed 7.1 using the windows install successfully, but I feel that it doesn't give Linux "free rein" and thus am going to attempt a complete install on its own partition. When I run the complete instal, what do I have to tell it about the partitions that it will make? I have a 13 GB HD, and am currently running Win98. I would ideally like to have 8GB for windows, and 4GB for Linux (or may be 7 and 6 as I don't use a lot of storage-hungry apps) First make sure you shrink your windows partition (partition magic, fips, whatever you have available). Then you can leave all the difficult work to the setup. If you want to live dangerously, put everything in 1 partition. I would suggest you create at least a separate /home directory (1 gb) and a separate /usr directory (4 gb) next to / (root) which can use the rest. But this is just how I would do it. Paul -- When you look at Prince Charles, don't you think that someone in the Royal family knew someone in the Royal family? -Robin Williams http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=- Doesn't the Mandrake install disk allow you to specify the Windows partition during install, or have I got completely the wrong impression?
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
Paul said: Yes, you can point out the windows partition. If that does not occupy the entire disk, then you're fine. If it does occupy the entire disk, I do not know if you can resize the partition through diskdrake without losing data, I have never done that. Perhaps someone else knows that? so i say: If diskdrake is what runs during the GUI install of Mandrake, then yes you can. when i installed 7.0 i used that program to slice a 4G windoze drive into windoze/linux/swap. and it all came out ok for me. of course i have only done it that one time. naturally, to do this you have to have X amount of free space to create a drive of X size. i think it also helps to defrag the windoze drive before you go to cut it up. i think they mention that in the instructions that come with 7.0 Adrian Smith 'de telepone dude Telecom Dept. x 7042 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
4 GB should be enough for a first time linux installation. I would recommend using this partioning: Swap = size of ram on computer /boot = 100 Mb /= 200 Mb /usr= 2,5 Mb /usr/local = the rest You do not need much space for users (home) when you are the only user With regards, Mads - Original Message - From: "Gordon Burgess-Parker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Newbie Linux Mandrake (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 1:20 PM Subject: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning I am a VERY new newbie in Linux. I have installed 7.1 using the windows install successfully, but I feel that it doesn't give Linux "free rein" and thus am going to attempt a complete install on its own partition. When I run the complete instal, what do I have to tell it about the partitions that it will make? I have a 13 GB HD, and am currently running Win98. I would ideally like to have 8GB for windows, and 4GB for Linux (or may be 7 and 6 as I don't use a lot of storage-hungry apps) Many thanks Gordon
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
Hi Mark, You´re right ! Boot should be smaller :o) /home ??? - I don´t think that it´s that important for a single user system (workstation) but I would confess that I myself have a huge home partition. It is as you say nice for data files and projects. I like splitting up / (root), /usr and /usr/local because I can upgrade my system more easy without reinstalling all packages. When I started out on linux I had the setup you recommended but I found it tedious to reinstall everything every time I had to upgrade. It´s just a suggestion, your setup will work nicely, no doubt about that, and after all that was just what the guy was asking for. Regards, Mads - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning Mads Rasmussen wrote: 4 GB should be enough for a first time linux installation. I would recommend using this partioning: Swap = size of ram on computer /boot = 100 Mb /= 200 Mb /usr= 2,5 Mb /usr/local = the rest You do not need much space for users (home) when you are the only user With regards, Mads - Original Message - From: "Gordon Burgess-Parker" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Newbie Linux Mandrake (E-mail)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 1:20 PM Subject: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning I am a VERY new newbie in Linux. I have installed 7.1 using the windows install successfully, but I feel that it doesn't give Linux "free rein" and thus am going to attempt a complete install on its own partition. When I run the complete instal, what do I have to tell it about the partitions that it will make? I have a 13 GB HD, and am currently running Win98. I would ideally like to have 8GB for windows, and 4GB for Linux (or may be 7 and 6 as I don't use a lot of storage-hungry apps) Many thanks Gordon You've got the right idea, but your numbers are WAY off. /boot = 15MB you only need enough room for the kernel and it'll bever be big enough to need all 15 MB. Not to mention that anything more than that will be bigger than the kernel will ever get. /home = at least 500MB / (root) = /usr = } I would split the remainder up amongst these three, although there really isn't any reason to have these three separate. a config like this will work great on 4GB /boot = 15 MB /home = 500MB# mine is 3GB - planning for the future never hurts. / (root) the rest having the /home dir on it's own partition affords me the luxurey of refomatting and doing a fresh install and leaving ALL my data files intact and untouched when doing so. /usr/local = -- Mark
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
You've got the right idea, but your numbers are WAY off. /boot = 15MB you only need enough room for the kernel and it'll bever be big enough to need all 15 MB. Not to mention that anything more than that will be bigger than the kernel will ever get. /home = at least 500MB / (root) = /usr = } I would split the remainder up amongst these three, although there really isn't any reason to have these three separate. a config like this will work great on 4GB /boot = 15 MB /home = 500MB# mine is 3GB - planning for the future never hurts. / (root) the rest having the /home dir on it's own partition affords me the luxurey of refomatting and doing a fresh install and leaving ALL my data files intact and untouched when doing so. /usr/local = -- Mark Since 7.1 does not use a boot partition what is the reasoning behind still creating one. Charles
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
Mads Rasmussen wrote: Hi Mark, You´re right ! Boot should be smaller :o) /home ??? - I don´t think that it´s that important for a single user system (workstation) but I would confess that I myself have a huge home partition. It is as you say nice for data files and projects. I like splitting up / (root), /usr and /usr/local because I can upgrade my system more easy without reinstalling all packages. When I started out on linux I had the setup you recommended but I found it tedious to reinstall everything every time I had to upgrade. It´s just a suggestion, your setup will work nicely, no doubt about that, and after all that was just what the guy was asking for. You know...now that I think about it I think I'm seeing the great advantage to why you've defined the /usr and /usr/local partitions. I see now how that would save a great deal of time when reloading or updating a system. Good call! -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496
Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning
Charles A Edwards wrote: You've got the right idea, but your numbers are WAY off. /boot = 15MB you only need enough room for the kernel and it'll bever be big enough to need all 15 MB. Not to mention that anything more than that will be bigger than the kernel will ever get. /home = at least 500MB / (root) = /usr = } I would split the remainder up amongst these three, although there really isn't any reason to have these three separate. a config like this will work great on 4GB /boot = 15 MB /home = 500MB# mine is 3GB - planning for the future never hurts. / (root) the rest having the /home dir on it's own partition affords me the luxurey of refomatting and doing a fresh install and leaving ALL my data files intact and untouched when doing so. /usr/local = -- Mark Since 7.1 does not use a boot partition what is the reasoning behind still creating one. Charles it will use one if you intend on using LILO which can't see beyond cylinder 1024. Anything beyond that and LILO will not pass the correct info to the kernel and the kernel will skitz! You can use Grub if you wish to get around this limitation of LILO, or as I'm told there is a new version of LILO out that doesn't have this 1024 deficiency. But, all in all, creating a 15MB /boot partition and setting up LILO isn't really a burdon and actually allows the system to boot faster in some application. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496
