Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 09:04, civileme wrote: > That should have been "prior to W2K". I have not had any reports of lost > partitions involving W2K (NT5) or XP (NT5.1), but it happens with 95 (all > releases) 98, 98SE and ME and NT <= 4.xx > > Civileme > I've just bore witness to XP rewriting my partition table to throw all the partition numbers so far off kilter that I'm now using MDK 9.1rc2; NOTHING was left, and NOTHING was salvageable... -- -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ |"| | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;"""/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' " " | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 03:35 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 08:20, et wrote: > > I KNOW that there are 3rd party utilities to allow win2k/xp to use EXT2 > > filesystems, but I would not trust them as much as I trust linus on any > > filesystem, and sure would HATE to loose important data just cause I > > wanted to try stuff out > > that said NTFS file systems can sit anywhere on the disk, as long as a > > valid MS/WIN filesystem is on the first logical partiton of the first IDE > > channel hard drive master. if you format the disk for linux only, and go > > to install win2k later, you will have problems, unless you left at least > > 10 megs as a dos partion in the begining. > > I going to snip part of Civileme post on January 27: > > "Now this is where Windows has been programmed to fail. As soon as it > sees a non-windows type in the extensions, it stops traversing the > chain, and will miss any windows partitions logically beyond that. > Windows XP home edition also messes with this table in unpredictable > ways, often trying to make the LAST extended partition (if not a Windows > type) into a primary, so that it is COMPLETELY UNSAFE to install XP > after linux. It is possible to recover the problem once you can analyze > it with the rescue CD, but definitely neither for the faint of heart or > the newbie. > > So prior to XP, windows misses any partitions that numerically follow > linux partitons, and beginning with XP it sabotages the partition table > to make linux unbootable," > > I just took for granted what he said. That should have been "prior to W2K". I have not had any reports of lost partitions involving W2K (NT5) or XP (NT5.1), but it happens with 95 (all releases) 98, 98SE and ME and NT <= 4.xx Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
Yes: "Linux Partition HOWTO" "Partition-Rescue HOWTO" In one of the two (I think the first one) you'll find a rationale behind the choice of a /boot partition. Both are available from the Linux Documentation Project web site. Print and keep handy! :-) raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adolfo Bello wrote: I don't want to tie up your time if there is some good documentation that explains to me how the various partitions work, so if you could point me to that i would be grateful. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tuesday 11 Mar 2003 2:51 pm, Brian wrote: > Adolfo Bello wrote: > I have been considering purchasing the o'Reilly book "Running Linux" > does anyone have any feedback on this book, or another good book for > getting started with Linux? Again, I know how to use a computer quite > well, so i am looking for something that will bring me up to speed. > Last night I was at a meeting where there were some very experienced people. Their advice to anyone new/ish to linux, was to buy this book. Definitely the best, they said. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
Adolfo Bello wrote: That's right, NTFS support is read-only. I was in the same situation you are right now four months ago. Right now I rarely use XP (only when I need to login to some clients Windows domain or to open old Access files). My setup is as follow: 1.- A 10 GB NTFS for XP. 2.- A 1 GB FAT32 partition. 3.- A 256MB ext3 partition for /boot. 4.- A ~18 GB Reiser partition for / 5.- A 640 MB swap partition. Now you are gettting into some areas, I am not familiar with yet. This is good. I think I might be misunderstanding how Linux is setup (I am a week into the learning curve so please bear with me). Is /boot just your boot-loader, or does boot also contain the OS? 256MB for the entire OS seems kind of lean. So I would gather that the OS primarily ends up under /. Now when i did a quick Mandrake installation it only created two partitions (/ and /home). So boot must be something that you create manually as part of the advanced setup? I don't want to tie up your time if there is some good documentation that explains to me how the various partitions work, so if you could point me to that i would be grateful. I have been considering purchasing the o'Reilly book "Running Linux" does anyone have any feedback on this book, or another good book for getting started with Linux? Again, I know how to use a computer quite well, so i am looking for something that will bring me up to speed. If you are going to use MySQL, I recommend you to set it up in Linux. Performance difference is huge. I have a database creation sql script that takes 22 seconds in XP and 1.1 second in Mandrake. Same machine. NTFS in XP and Reiser in Mandrake. mysql 4.0.11a. There is no error: 22 without period and 1.1. Just amazing. (I can send you the script off list if you don't believe it). I would love to see that script. I run MSDE on my XP workstation, but am going to start looking at mySQL on Linux once I get the basics of the OS down. Finally, if you want to use both OS at the same time, try VMware. You can download a one month trial version at www.vmware.com. I case you decide to use VMware you don't need any FAT32 partition. Share a drive or directory in XP and connect to it using Samba. This way you will have full access to NTFS. Is the VMWare client stable? This would probably be an awesome option for me. I haven't used VMWare in almost two years and it was not all that reliable under Windows 2000. Thanks for all the input, Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 10 March 2003 02:12 pm, Brian wrote: Why are you so insistant on ntfs? The security aspects get blown out the door by installing Linux, so I cannot imagine that the speed is that much better to make it a requirement. Greg, Again, I am looking to continue to use Windows XP for my work functions that can only be done on Windows, and to learn Linux by using it to do most of my day to day personal computing. I am not exactly insistent on NTFS, but it simply does come down to security and speed. FAT32 is not nearly as fast as NTFS on an NT based OS. Even with Linux on the machine a user will have to authenticate to either Windows XP or Linux in order to gain access to the FS. There of course are others ways, but they all require a more significatn effort. If I use FAT32 all you need is a basic boot disk. I would prefer some security as opposed to no security. Thanks for your input and the suggestion not to use HTML. I didn't realize it was a sore spot. Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 08:38 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 09:30, et wrote: > > this is correct, however I believe Civileme is refering to the boot-up > > record, not the ability to see and read files. > > I have WINme, Mandrake 9.0 and WIN2K installed all over my drives here is > > what # df says; > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > > dev/hda7 7439692 4005108 3056660 57% / > > /dev/hdc5 5067904 2916396 2151508 58% /home > > /dev/hda4 4433936 2420300 2013636 55% /mnt/nt > > /dev/scd1 664392664392 0 100% /mnt/scd1 > > /dev/hda1 28918880 19773728 9145152 69% /mnt/win_c > > /dev/hdc6 4858156 2261060 2597096 47% /mnt/win_c2 > > /dev/hda6 9010880 1393096 7617784 16% /mnt/win_d > > /dev/hda8 2891540305228 2586312 11% /var > > so you can see that on my hdc while hdc5 is /home hdc6 s a fat win > > partiton that both OSs have no problem seeing and using. > > something I just noticed is that while on the graphic for diskdrake it > > looks like (all on one line) -[hda1/winME]-[hda5/linux swap]-[hda7/linux > > /] - [hda6/fat winD] - [hda8 /var] - [4gigs empty] - [hda4 /winNT] - > > so maybe there is something I did that I am not aware of that keeps MS > > thinking the hda4 partion is the last partiton on this drive and > > hda/5,6,7,8 are in the middle of the drive. > > Hopefully some one can explain who did that for me? was it diskdrake when > > I made the space available for win2k? > > Thank you for clarifying the whole thing. > > Anyway, to stay in the safe side, I will keep placing Windows partition > first and then Linux. > > Until I get Windows free. > > Saludos Windows would never be my OS of choice even if it were free (and it actually worked). Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 08:38 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 09:30, et wrote: > > this is correct, however I believe Civileme is refering to the boot-up > > record, not the ability to see and read files. > > I have WINme, Mandrake 9.0 and WIN2K installed all over my drives here is > > what # df says; > > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > > dev/hda7 7439692 4005108 3056660 57% / > > /dev/hdc5 5067904 2916396 2151508 58% /home > > /dev/hda4 4433936 2420300 2013636 55% /mnt/nt > > /dev/scd1 664392664392 0 100% /mnt/scd1 > > /dev/hda1 28918880 19773728 9145152 69% /mnt/win_c > > /dev/hdc6 4858156 2261060 2597096 47% /mnt/win_c2 > > /dev/hda6 9010880 1393096 7617784 16% /mnt/win_d > > /dev/hda8 2891540305228 2586312 11% /var > > so you can see that on my hdc while hdc5 is /home hdc6 s a fat win > > partiton that both OSs have no problem seeing and using. > > something I just noticed is that while on the graphic for diskdrake it > > looks like (all on one line) -[hda1/winME]-[hda5/linux swap]-[hda7/linux > > /] - [hda6/fat winD] - [hda8 /var] - [4gigs empty] - [hda4 /winNT] - > > so maybe there is something I did that I am not aware of that keeps MS > > thinking the hda4 partion is the last partiton on this drive and > > hda/5,6,7,8 are in the middle of the drive. > > Hopefully some one can explain who did that for me? was it diskdrake when > > I made the space available for win2k? > > Thank you for clarifying the whole thing. > > Anyway, to stay in the safe side, I will keep placing Windows partition > first and then Linux. For sure at least the bootable win partitons. as far as "fat32" partitions, put them anywhere. > Until I get Windows free. > > Saludos Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 09:30, et wrote: > > this is correct, however I believe Civileme is refering to the boot-up record, > not the ability to see and read files. > I have WINme, Mandrake 9.0 and WIN2K installed all over my drives here is what > # df says; > Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on > dev/hda7 7439692 4005108 3056660 57% / > /dev/hdc5 5067904 2916396 2151508 58% /home > /dev/hda4 4433936 2420300 2013636 55% /mnt/nt > /dev/scd1 664392664392 0 100% /mnt/scd1 > /dev/hda1 28918880 19773728 9145152 69% /mnt/win_c > /dev/hdc6 4858156 2261060 2597096 47% /mnt/win_c2 > /dev/hda6 9010880 1393096 7617784 16% /mnt/win_d > /dev/hda8 2891540305228 2586312 11% /var > so you can see that on my hdc while hdc5 is /home hdc6 s a fat win partiton > that both OSs have no problem seeing and using. > something I just noticed is that while on the graphic for diskdrake it looks > like (all on one line) -[hda1/winME]-[hda5/linux swap]-[hda7/linux /] - > [hda6/fat winD] - [hda8 /var] - [4gigs empty] - [hda4 /winNT] - > so maybe there is something I did that I am not aware of that keeps MS > thinking the hda4 partion is the last partiton on this drive and hda/5,6,7,8 > are in the middle of the drive. > Hopefully some one can explain who did that for me? was it diskdrake when I > made the space available for win2k? Thank you for clarifying the whole thing. Anyway, to stay in the safe side, I will keep placing Windows partition first and then Linux. Until I get Windows free. Saludos -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //celular: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 07:35 am, Adolfo Bello wrote: > On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 08:20, et wrote: > > I KNOW that there are 3rd party utilities to allow win2k/xp to use EXT2 > > filesystems, but I would not trust them as much as I trust linus on any > > filesystem, and sure would HATE to loose important data just cause I > > wanted to try stuff out > > that said NTFS file systems can sit anywhere on the disk, as long as a > > valid MS/WIN filesystem is on the first logical partiton of the first IDE > > channel hard drive master. if you format the disk for linux only, and go > > to install win2k later, you will have problems, unless you left at least > > 10 megs as a dos partion in the begining. > > I going to snip part of Civileme post on January 27: > > "Now this is where Windows has been programmed to fail. As soon as it > sees a non-windows type in the extensions, it stops traversing the > chain, and will miss any windows partitions logically beyond that. > Windows XP home edition also messes with this table in unpredictable > ways, often trying to make the LAST extended partition (if not a Windows > type) into a primary, so that it is COMPLETELY UNSAFE to install XP > after linux. It is possible to recover the problem once you can analyze > it with the rescue CD, but definitely neither for the faint of heart or > the newbie. > > So prior to XP, windows misses any partitions that numerically follow > linux partitons, and beginning with XP it sabotages the partition table > to make linux unbootable," > > I just took for granted what he said. this is correct, however I believe Civileme is refering to the boot-up record, not the ability to see and read files. I have WINme, Mandrake 9.0 and WIN2K installed all over my drives here is what # df says; Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on dev/hda7 7439692 4005108 3056660 57% / /dev/hdc5 5067904 2916396 2151508 58% /home /dev/hda4 4433936 2420300 2013636 55% /mnt/nt /dev/scd1 664392664392 0 100% /mnt/scd1 /dev/hda1 28918880 19773728 9145152 69% /mnt/win_c /dev/hdc6 4858156 2261060 2597096 47% /mnt/win_c2 /dev/hda6 9010880 1393096 7617784 16% /mnt/win_d /dev/hda8 2891540305228 2586312 11% /var so you can see that on my hdc while hdc5 is /home hdc6 s a fat win partiton that both OSs have no problem seeing and using. something I just noticed is that while on the graphic for diskdrake it looks like (all on one line) -[hda1/winME]-[hda5/linux swap]-[hda7/linux /] - [hda6/fat winD] - [hda8 /var] - [4gigs empty] - [hda4 /winNT] - so maybe there is something I did that I am not aware of that keeps MS thinking the hda4 partion is the last partiton on this drive and hda/5,6,7,8 are in the middle of the drive. Hopefully some one can explain who did that for me? was it diskdrake when I made the space available for win2k? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 08:20, et wrote: > I KNOW that there are 3rd party utilities to allow win2k/xp to use EXT2 > filesystems, but I would not trust them as much as I trust linus on any > filesystem, and sure would HATE to loose important data just cause I wanted > to try stuff out > that said NTFS file systems can sit anywhere on the disk, as long as a valid > MS/WIN filesystem is on the first logical partiton of the first IDE channel > hard drive master. if you format the disk for linux only, and go to install > win2k later, you will have problems, unless you left at least 10 megs as a > dos partion in the begining. I going to snip part of Civileme post on January 27: "Now this is where Windows has been programmed to fail. As soon as it sees a non-windows type in the extensions, it stops traversing the chain, and will miss any windows partitions logically beyond that. Windows XP home edition also messes with this table in unpredictable ways, often trying to make the LAST extended partition (if not a Windows type) into a primary, so that it is COMPLETELY UNSAFE to install XP after linux. It is possible to recover the problem once you can analyze it with the rescue CD, but definitely neither for the faint of heart or the newbie. So prior to XP, windows misses any partitions that numerically follow linux partitons, and beginning with XP it sabotages the partition table to make linux unbootable," I just took for granted what he said. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //celular: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
Another thing that might be of interest to people is that XP uses NTFS 5.1, whilst windows2000 uses NTFS 5.0. The problem here is that if people are ghosting partitions, then only ghost 7.5 Corporate and upwards will properly ghost XP (NTFS 5.1), Any version lower will only do NTFS 5.0. One way round it for us is to install XP on fat32, create the ghost image and then convert from fat32 to NTFS. -Original Message-From: Brian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 10 March 2003 7:12 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual BootSo if I understand this correctly, then the NTFS support in Mandrake 9.0 is read-only? I did just try to write to an NTFS partition on my test computer and it did not work. In that case, is there any third party drivers or utilities that will allow you to write to an NTFS partition from Linux?I would like the users home directory, i.e. - "/home/userid" to be on a partition that is readable from both Linux and Windows. I saw in userdrake that you can redirect the home directory. Can it be redirected to a FAT partition from userdrake or does it have to be on a linux FS? Of course I would prefer something that is a little more secure, but I can probably deal with FAT32 if need be.Thanks for the help,BrianJohn Richard Smith wrote: Mandrake will not write to an ntfs partition. you need fat32.When you talk about homedrive, do you mean /home partition,because windblows will not use it. All your linux partitionsneed to be formatted in one of the many linux file systems.The basic linux setup is , /swap partition, /root(base) partition,In addition you can have /boot partition, /home partition, andmany others. In linux /swap is the equivelant of windblowsvirtual memory,which is a file with preset limits,whereas inlinux it's a partition.I know nothing of your hardware situation, cannot comment.John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tuesday 11 March 2003 01:22 am, Guy Rouillier wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Adolfo Bello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "MDK Mandrake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot > > > Winblows don't support any Linux file system. So put Winblows > > partitions > > > first because it will stop reading the partition table when it > > encounter > > > the first partition it doesn't understand. > > Both of these statements are untrue for Win2k/XP. I read somewhere > (sorry, don't remember where - I'm pretty sure it was on the ext2 > project page) that there is an apparently fairly stable filesystem > driver for Win2k/XP that allows it to use ext2 filesystems. And I run > Win2k, and it has no trouble just skipping partitions it doesn't > recognize and continuing on with ones beyond that. I KNOW that there are 3rd party utilities to allow win2k/xp to use EXT2 filesystems, but I would not trust them as much as I trust linus on any filesystem, and sure would HATE to loose important data just cause I wanted to try stuff out that said NTFS file systems can sit anywhere on the disk, as long as a valid MS/WIN filesystem is on the first logical partiton of the first IDE channel hard drive master. if you format the disk for linux only, and go to install win2k later, you will have problems, unless you left at least 10 megs as a dos partion in the begining. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 02:22, Guy Rouillier wrote: > Both of these statements are untrue for Win2k/XP. I read somewhere > (sorry, don't remember where - I'm pretty sure it was on the ext2 > project page) that there is an apparently fairly stable filesystem > driver for Win2k/XP that allows it to use ext2 filesystems. And I run > Win2k, and it has no trouble just skipping partitions it doesn't > recognize and continuing on with ones beyond that. I meant out of the box support for Linux file systems. As the second point, I read it in a post by Civileme a few days ago. I will try it by myself when 9.1 final appear. Thanks for pointing out the second point. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //celular: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
- Original Message - From: "Adolfo Bello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "MDK Mandrake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot > Winblows don't support any Linux file system. So put Winblows partitions > first because it will stop reading the partition table when it encounter > the first partition it doesn't understand. Both of these statements are untrue for Win2k/XP. I read somewhere (sorry, don't remember where - I'm pretty sure it was on the ext2 project page) that there is an apparently fairly stable filesystem driver for Win2k/XP that allows it to use ext2 filesystems. And I run Win2k, and it has no trouble just skipping partitions it doesn't recognize and continuing on with ones beyond that. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 15:12, Brian wrote: > So if I understand this correctly, then the NTFS support in Mandrake > 9.0 is read-only? I did just try to write to an NTFS partition on my > test computer and it did not work. In that case, is there any third > party drivers or utilities that will allow you to write to an NTFS > partition from Linux? > > I would like the users home directory, i.e. - "/home/userid" to be on > a partition that is readable from both Linux and Windows. I saw in > userdrake that you can redirect the home directory. Can it be > redirected to a FAT partition from userdrake or does it have to be on > a linux FS? Of course I would prefer something that is a little more > secure, but I can probably deal with FAT32 if need be. That's right, NTFS support is read-only. I was in the same situation you are right now four months ago. Right now I rarely use XP (only when I need to login to some clients Windows domain or to open old Access files). My setup is as follow: 1.- A 10 GB NTFS for XP. 2.- A 1 GB FAT32 partition. 3.- A 256MB ext3 partition for /boot. 4.- A ~18 GB Reiser partition for / 5.- A 640 MB swap partition. Winblows don't support any Linux file system. So put Winblows partitions first because it will stop reading the partition table when it encounter the first partition it doesn't understand. The FAT32 partition is for saving files or directory I want to share between Mandrake and XP. If you are going to use MySQL, I recommend you to set it up in Linux. Performance difference is huge. I have a database creation sql script that takes 22 seconds in XP and 1.1 second in Mandrake. Same machine. NTFS in XP and Reiser in Mandrake. mysql 4.0.11a. There is no error: 22 without period and 1.1. Just amazing. (I can send you the script off list if you don't believe it). Finally, if you want to use both OS at the same time, try VMware. You can download a one month trial version at www.vmware.com. I case you decide to use VMware you don't need any FAT32 partition. Share a drive or directory in XP and connect to it using Samba. This way you will have full access to NTFS. HTH. -- __ / \\ @ __ __@ Adolfo Bello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> / // // /\ / \\ // \ // Bello Ingenieria S.A, ICQ: 65910258 / \\ // / \\ / // // / //celular: +58 416 609-6213 /___// // / <_/ \__\\ //__/ // fax: +58 212 952-6797 www.bisapi.com //pager : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Monday 10 March 2003 02:12 pm, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > So if I understand this correctly, then the NTFS support in Mandrake 9.0 > is read-only? I did just try to write to an NTFS partition on my test > computer and it did not work. In that case, is there any third party > drivers or utilities that will allow you to write to an NTFS partition from > Linux? > > I would like the users home directory, i.e. - "/home/userid" to be on a > partition that is readable from both Linux and Windows. I saw in > userdrake that you can redirect the home directory. Can it be > redirected to a FAT partition from userdrake or does it have to be on a > linux FS? Of course I would prefer something that is a little more > secure, but I can probably deal with FAT32 if need be. > > Thanks for the help, > Brian > > John Richard Smith wrote: > > > Mandrake will not write to an ntfs partition. you need fat32. > When you talk about homedrive, do you mean /home partition, > because windblows will not use it. All your linux partitions > need to be formatted in one of the many linux file systems. > The basic linux setup is , /swap partition, /root(base) partition, > In addition you can have /boot partition, /home partition, and > many others. In linux /swap is the equivelant of windblows > virtual memory,which is a file with preset limits,whereas in > linux it's a partition. > > I know nothing of your hardware situation, cannot comment. > > John > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to href="http://www.mandrakestore.com";>http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > First, please do not post html to the list, most of the people on this list do not read it. I filter it too, but I noticed that I had an unread mail in my trash and I decided to check out what it was. Second, the best thing to do would seem to me to create a link in the home directory to a fat32 partition that has folders for each user. Because the home directory has files that require specific permissions, I would not recommend using a filesyatem that does not support Linux permissions. These files I speak of are mostly config files, so they should not need to be accessed from Windows. Why are you so insistant on ntfs? The security aspects get blown out the door by installing Linux, so I cannot imagine that the speed is that much better to make it a requirement. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
Brian wrote: So if I understand this correctly, then the NTFS support in Mandrake 9.0 is read-only? I did just try to write to an NTFS partition on my test computer and it did not work. In that case, is there any third party drivers or utilities that will allow you to write to an NTFS partition from Linux? I would like the users home directory, i.e. - "/home/userid" to be on a partition that is readable from both Linux and Windows. I saw in userdrake that you can redirect the home directory. Can it be redirected to a FAT partition from userdrake or does it have to be on a linux FS? Of course I would prefer something that is a little more secure, but I can probably deal with FAT32 if need be. Thanks for the help, Brian John Richard Smith wrote, Yes , you can only read and transfer over to linux from ntfs partitions. I have heard suggestions that they are working on it, and so perhaps sometime in the future you may be able to write to an ntfs partition. We all format our linux partitions in any of the linux file systems. They are all good file systems , better than ntfs. If you intend writing to ntfs partitions people create a fat32 partition, you use it as a go between , and thereby achieve the same thing. By the way are you ever likely to have more than one linux OS on, because if so it's easiest to have a /boot partition, where all the kernels and initrd files all get put automatically by the install programmes, you write your lilo stanzas , as I'm sure you must have done by now, using the lilo install element of the install programme. Your idea of using the /home partition for both windblows and linux is not possible. They each have their own home setup . Lilo is a good boot manager, so stay with it. I'm sure you noticed you never need to defrag, it's done for you after so many mount counts at boot time. There are also programmes to let you use Windblows programmes while booted to linux, I don't use them myself, but many linux users do. If you must have windblows like apps there is open office which are basically office clones, at least they work with windblowd files, other apps use their own custom made files and these are not readily interchangeable with windblows. Once you have had some time to get used to linux you will find your way about readily enough. Some things are much easier other things not so easy. Installing programmes in linux is a tease for newbies, packages rarely come complete, you will find a lot of dependency problems that baffle to begin with. Most things do not work straight off but can nearly always be made to work. Many applications have graphical front ends to commandline backends. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Monday 10 March 2003 08:12 pm, Brian wrote: Brian, please do not send to the list in html. It's a waste of bandwidth and some people may be very pissed off. Then, to your questions : > So if I understand this correctly, then the NTFS support > in Mandrake 9.0 is read-only? Yes, but rumours tell that Mandrake 9.1 will do the job. >I did just try to > write to an NTFS partition on my test computer and it did > not work. In that case, is there any third party > drivers or utilities that will allow you to write to an > NTFS partition from Linux? Same as above. > I would like the users home directory, i.e. - > "/home/userid" to be on a partition that is readable from > both Linux and Windows. In that case you must create your /home directory as a FAT32 partition (which is a very bad idea indeed - no security at all) and - furthermore - make it the first partition after the Windows - partitions, as Windows is unable to *see* beyond any non-windows filesystem. >I saw in userdrake that you > can redirect the home directory. Can it be > redirected to a FAT partition from userdrake or does it > have to be on a linux FS? Of course I would prefer > something that is a little more secure, but I can > probably deal with FAT32 if need be. Same as above. But a lot of people make a separate FAT32 partition between Windows and Linux. That way you can read and write to this partition from both worlds. And so can other users on your Linux-box. That's why You can keep your private stuff private on a linux-partion. If you want to, make a script or a cron-job that regularly copies your files - or some of them - to the FAT32 partition so you can use them from Windows as well. > Thanks for the help, > Brian HTH and Good luck Kaj haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.0 - kernel 2.4.19.24 Brought to you from my 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Windows XP and Mandrake 9.0 - Dual Boot
On Monday 10 Mar 2003 7:12 pm, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > So if I understand this correctly, then the NTFS support in Mandrake 9.0 > is read-only? I did just try to write to an NTFS partition on my test > computer and it did not work. In that case, is there any third party > drivers or utilities that will allow you to write to an NTFS partition from > Linux? > > I would like the users home directory, i.e. - "/home/userid" to be on a > partition that is readable from both Linux and Windows. I saw in > userdrake that you can redirect the home directory. Can it be > redirected to a FAT partition from userdrake or does it have to be on a > linux FS? Of course I would prefer something that is a little more > secure, but I can probably deal with FAT32 if need be. > > Thanks for the help, > Brian > > John Richard Smith wrote: > > > Mandrake will not write to an ntfs partition. you need fat32. > When you talk about homedrive, do you mean /home partition, > because windblows will not use it. All your linux partitions > need to be formatted in one of the many linux file systems. > The basic linux setup is , /swap partition, /root(base) partition, > In addition you can have /boot partition, /home partition, and > many others. In linux /swap is the equivelant of windblows > virtual memory,which is a file with preset limits,whereas in > linux it's a partition. > > I know nothing of your hardware situation, cannot comment. > > John Linux can read/write to FAT32 partitions without any issue, and you could mount your /home on FAT32. However it may not be a terribly good idea to do so. Some of your Linux applications will write setup files in your user home, and may expect them to have specific permissions. Since FAT32 has no concept of permissions all the files on the FAT32 partition will have the same permissions. You may therefore find some applications may not run as intended. It would be safer to mount your /home on a Linux partition and either make a symlink to your FAT32 partition, or else mount your FAT32 partition on a directory inside your /home/user so you can access your Windows data conveniently. By default Mandrake will mount your Windows partition on /mnt/windows, but you can easily make them mount anywhere you wish. HTH derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
