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Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 09:05, Zlatko Savic wrote: Hi, I am a newbie and I'd like to know what is the best way to update applications in Linux? I've heard something about urpmi but I am not really sure how it works or what it is. I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very nicely. It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it along with dependencies (usually). If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi. I've attempted to compile sources of newer versions of software (i.e. alsa-snd-cards), without ever removing the currently installed version and I had a lot of compiling errors. I don't know if it is better to compile than to install an RPM. I've found that both are good. I'll compile then make it into an RPM and install with urpmi. Works great. There should be a generalized standard in Linux that all applications adhere to (I.e. the registry in Windows). Of course whatever it is, it should be better than Winblows. Uhhh. no comment. HTH, Curt Regards, ZS __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #2046 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~60.51518 N, 150.79705 W*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:15 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote: snip If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi. ZS, that link will walk you through very nicely. i just did updates from it last night, and i'm a super noobno programming experience and been using mdk9.1 for just over a month now. if i can do the updates from that site, anyone can :) while we're on the subject of updatesisn't there something you can set up to check a mirror site every so often to look for updates for you instead of doing it yourself? and i'm not talking about giong through MCC either, as i couldn't get updates to work from there in the first place. i'm not worried about a program randomly checking for updates and attempting to eat up my bandwidth, i'm on cable, so bandwidth isn't an issue for me and i could jsut have it do updates at 4am or something when i'm in bed. if anyone can help with this, i'd appreciate it. thanks! Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
On Wednesday 23 Jul 2003 3:05 pm, Zlatko Savic wrote: Hi, I am a newbie and I'd like to know what is the best way to update applications in Linux? I've heard something about urpmi but I am not really sure how it works or what it is. I've attempted to compile sources of newer versions of software (i.e. alsa-snd-cards), without ever removing the currently installed version and I had a lot of compiling errors. I don't know if it is better to compile than to install an RPM. There should be a generalized standard in Linux that all applications adhere to (I.e. the registry in Windows). Of course whatever it is, it should be better than Winblows. Regards, ZS urpmi is just the 'backend' command line version of the Mandrake Software Manager GUI in your Mandrake Control Centre. If you prefer to use GUIs then use your Mandrake Software Manager to install the urpmi.setup RPM once it is installed run urpmi.setup from a root terminal and a GUI will appear which will allow you to choose an online update source. Once you have selected an update source (either using urpmi.setup, or the PLF web site others have mentioned) then you can use your Mandrake Software Manager to upgrade your existing packages. As for compiling versus RPMs I would *strongly* advise newbies to stick to RPMS. You will be told by some people how compiling your own will optimise performance to your individual computer. That is only true if you know about setting compiler flags which I doubt. In general my experience is that when newbies compile their own packages they often end up breaking their system. There are sites such as PLF, Texstar, Mandrake Club and Mandrake Contrib who provide recent packages in RPM format which can be installed using your Mandrake Software Manager. As for your comment about a 'registry'. The stock Linux geek response is We don't need no steenking standards (Meaning it is the diversity of Linux which is its strength. Bad ideas whither, good ones flourish) In reality there are two major methods of managing packages in Linux. The widely admired Debian 'apt-get' method, and the more widely used but less admired RedHat RPM. Mandrake uses RPM but with the addition of urpmi it becomes comparable to the 'apt-get' approach. BTW: Why did you think it necessary to upgrade your alsa drivers? derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
crak600 wrote: On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:15 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote: snip If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi. ZS, that link will walk you through very nicely. i just did updates from it last night, and i'm a super noobno programming experience and been using mdk9.1 for just over a month now. if i can do the updates from that site, anyone can :) while we're on the subject of updatesisn't there something you can set up to check a mirror site every so often to look for updates for you instead of doing it yourself? and i'm not talking about giong through MCC either, as i couldn't get updates to work from there in the first place. i'm not worried about a program randomly checking for updates and attempting to eat up my bandwidth, i'm on cable, so bandwidth isn't an issue for me and i could jsut have it do updates at 4am or something when i'm in bed. if anyone can help with this, i'd appreciate it. thanks! Mike I got this from one of the guys on Cooker. Type all of the following commands after the previous command finishes and you get your prompt back: cd /etc/cron.daily echo '#!/bin/sh' urpmi.cron echo 'urpmi.update -a' urpmi.cron echo 'urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms' urpmi.cron This will first update the hdlists (list of packages on the remote server) and will then download and install any updates once a day. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) Maxims for Revolutionists Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very nicely. It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it along with dependencies (usually). If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi. I went to the page referenced above and followed all the directions and everything seemed to work perfectly. Then I went to the Mandrake Control Center Update utility, selected everything I could, and it's currently downloading the packages. So, from now on all I have to do is visit that Update utility periodically to keep Mandrake updated? Can the same thing be set up for individual applications? What about automatic update checking so I don't have to visit the utility? - Grant Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:15 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very nicely. It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it along with dependencies (usually). If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi. ok, question. i went to the site listed above last night and thought i did all the updates. today i went into mandrake control center software management mandrake update and then let it check for updates. it came back with a list of updates. does this mean that my updates were not done? maybe i missed a command when running through a terminal to do this, i'm not sure. any info on this greatly appreciated. thank you. Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
Grant wrote: I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very nicely. It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it along with dependencies (usually). If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi. I went to the page referenced above and followed all the directions and everything seemed to work perfectly. Then I went to the Mandrake Control Center Update utility, selected everything I could, and it's currently downloading the packages. So, from now on all I have to do is visit that Update utility periodically to keep Mandrake updated? Can the same thing be set up for individual applications? What about automatic update checking so I don't have to visit the utility? - Grant Type the following commands as root: cd /etc/cron.daily echo '#!/bin/sh' urpmi.cron echo 'urpmi.update -a' urpmi.cron echo 'urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms' urpmi.cron This will create a file in /etc/cron.daily called urpmi.cron. The file will then be executed by cron on a daily basis. The contents of the file will update the hdlists (list of packages on the remote server) and will then download and install any updates. Like I said, it will do this once a day. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman (1903) Maxims for Revolutionists Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
On Wednesday 23 July 2003 06:43 pm, crak600 wrote: On Wednesday 23 July 2003 10:15 am, Curt Tresenriter wrote: I'm also pretty new to Linux and (so far) have found urpmi to work very nicely. It will go to whatever source that has the RPM you want and install it along with dependencies (usually). If you're using mdk 9.1 you can go to http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/urpmiweb.php to learn how to set up your sources and begin using urpmi. ok, question. i went to the site listed above last night and thought i did all the updates. today i went into mandrake control center software management mandrake update and then let it check for updates. it came back with a list of updates. does this mean that my updates were not done? maybe i missed a command when running through a terminal to do this, i'm not sure. any info on this greatly appreciated. thank you. Mike A possible explanation : you may have two different mirrors for updates. Not all mirrors are *up-to-date* immidiately, which you can verify by going to - for example - : http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php and notice the dates in the right column. Was the list long ? - In that case something must be wrong. If is was short, say 5-10 updates, I think the above explanation is right. Kaj Haulrich. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] best way to update apps in Linux?
I went to the page referenced above and followed all the directions and everything seemed to work perfectly. Then I went to the Mandrake Control Center Update utility, selected everything I could, and it's currently downloading the packages. So, from now on all I have to do is visit that Update utility periodically to keep Mandrake updated? Can the same thing be set up for individual applications? What about automatic update checking so I don't have to visit the utility? - Grant Type the following commands as root: cd /etc/cron.daily echo '#!/bin/sh' urpmi.cron echo 'urpmi.update -a' urpmi.cron echo 'urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpms' urpmi.cron This will create a file in /etc/cron.daily called urpmi.cron. The file will then be executed by cron on a daily basis. The contents of the file will update the hdlists (list of packages on the remote server) and will then download and install any updates. Like I said, it will do this once a day. Awesome, thank you very much. - Grant Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
