RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT
ok, I'll give it a whirl. thanks, Meph. Moose -Original Message- From: Meph Istopheles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 11:24 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT Moose, I am using tcp/ip. I'm in the process of setting up a proxy server, so I needed something routable... Shouldn't be any problem with -- at least -- getting from the Windows box to the Linux box. You'll need other tools -- smb, Reflection, etc to get from the Linux to Windows. Although NT ~does~ provide some server tools even with the Pro version. I've not fooled with much in W2k beyond securing it when my girl friend has to use it (we've dsl, so we're always on-line). Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
Re: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT
Hell, Can some one advise me on the best way to allow Mandrake 7.2 to read and write to my FAT NTFS partitions? Thank you Hi, I have LM7.2 and win95 (FAT32) and win2k (NTFS) in the same hard disk, and I couldn't write to a NTFS from LM7.2. So I had first to write all my files from LM7.2 to win95 (FAT32), and then these files are easy accesible from anywhere. Maybe you must create an extra FAT32 partition (use partition magic) to exchange files from anywhere to anywhere. I know that there is some modules that permit you to write to a NTFS from LM7.2 but I never used them. Good luck!! - Ing. Qco. Emilio Correa Invap S.E. 02944 422121 int. 2473 fax: 02944 423489 (8400) San Carlos de Bariloche
RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT
Moose, I am using tcp/ip. I'm in the process of setting up a proxy server, so I needed something routable... Shouldn't be any problem with -- at least -- getting from the Windows box to the Linux box. You'll need other tools -- smb, Reflection, etc to get from the Linux to Windows. Although NT ~does~ provide some server tools even with the Pro version. I've not fooled with much in W2k beyond securing it when my girl friend has to use it (we've dsl, so we're always on-line). Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT
I am using tcp/ip. I'm in the process of setting up a proxy server, so I needed something routable... Moose -Original Message- From: Meph Istopheles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 12:50 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT Moose, That's really good. What about Fat partitions, is it the same deal? Sorry, your prompting also reminds me of the stuff needed in /etc/fstab a mount point. Assuming you've only just recently installed Linux didn't create your mount point (RH 6.0 lm7.2 didn't except in my most recent install), you need to enter something like this for ntfs: /dev/hda1 /winnt ntfs rw,user,exec,umask=0 0 0 There are those who've studies the fstab entries mount point theory more thoroughly than I, so you may want to wait for flames to this;-). With W98, it looks rather like this: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat user,exec,umask=0 0 0 Again, I've not studied that stuff heavily -- I just go with whatever works. Previous to this recent install, I'd had to make my own mount points usually opted for /win as it's easy. Mandrake chose to create a mount point for my W98 in the /mnt directory made the name the full "windows" (s'pose I'll change that eventually to either /mnt/win or just /win create the mount point, but it works). Then creating a mount point is just: # mkdir /winnt or # mkdir /mnt/winnt or just # mkdir /win Doesn't really matter but /win is less typing. Here's my scenario: I have two machines. One is running Linux MDK 7.2 and the other is Windows 98se. I want the Linux box to have access to the Windows drive. There are options, here. Either you can install smbd on the Linux box the Windows smb client on the Windows box (or, if you have access to Reflection software, you may want to use that on the Windows box -- I've never used either, though, as I've no need to access Linux from Windows), or you could install (as I suspect you've been thinking of doing) Linux (even minimally) on the Windows box. Personally, I'd dual-boot the other box, since you've the space, then you could telnet from one to the other (if it's running Linux at the time) then access the Windows partition. If it's in Windows at the time, you'd need one of the two apps mentioned above, as I don't think event the SE version of W98 comes with an ftp daemon. I have the machines set up in Point to Point topology through a hub. Not real complex. Are you using to tcp/ip or netbui? Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
Re: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT
Jeff, Hell, Can some one advise me on the best way to allow Mandrake 7.2 to read and write to my FAT NTFS partitions? Well, it could be a little tricky depending upon a few things. First, You say you'd installed NTFS, you may have to recompile your kernel choose the r/w module. (Though this module is still in alpha -- has been at least since RedHat 6.0, I've used it in RedHat 6.0 ~~ lm7.2 without fail...but the potential of data loss still exists.) When I'd installed lm7.2 on the box with W2k, the module wasn't automatically installed, I had to recompile. If you're not familiar with compiling the kernel, it's not difficult, but we can address that later. As for the fat partiton, you should simply be able to switch vfat for fat in your /etc/fstab entry for that partition. I may not be expert at setting up dual- (or more) boot systems, but I've done it numerous times without trouble. If we have to go the full route, with all the instructions for setting it up to work (I don't know how much you know about this stuff), my instructions may differ from those of others, but they work just as well. Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT
Meph, Whether Jeff wants the detailed instructions or not, I would like them. Thanks a bunch. Moose -Original Message- From: Meph Istopheles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 9:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT Jeff, Hell, Can some one advise me on the best way to allow Mandrake 7.2 to read and write to my FAT NTFS partitions? Well, it could be a little tricky depending upon a few things. First, You say you'd installed NTFS, you may have to recompile your kernel choose the r/w module. (Though this module is still in alpha -- has been at least since RedHat 6.0, I've used it in RedHat 6.0 ~~ lm7.2 without fail...but the potential of data loss still exists.) When I'd installed lm7.2 on the box with W2k, the module wasn't automatically installed, I had to recompile. If you're not familiar with compiling the kernel, it's not difficult, but we can address that later. As for the fat partiton, you should simply be able to switch vfat for fat in your /etc/fstab entry for that partition. I may not be expert at setting up dual- (or more) boot systems, but I've done it numerous times without trouble. If we have to go the full route, with all the instructions for setting it up to work (I don't know how much you know about this stuff), my instructions may differ from those of others, but they work just as well. Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT
Whether Jeff wants the detailed instructions or not, I would like them. Thanks a bunch. Alright Moose ( all), Keep in mind that there are reasons some do this one way reasons others do this another. I, by no means, claim the only or right way, but a way I've learned which works for me without trouble. These instructions, with one alteration, come from an article by Joseph Cheek's Linux column in the June 2000 issue of Computer Source magazine. This article is copyrighted, but I don't think there's an issue with extracting the steps from it. Disclaimer end As I'd mentioned, the ntfs write module is alpha -- termed "experimental" "dangerous". This may be true, but I've not heard of anyone actually having any more trouble than I had had before I'd been forced to reinstall W2k (for other reasons), which is now a fat32, instead of ntfs fs. But I'd had no problem with the ntfs write module in either nt4.0 or W2k. So, the first thing you need is to verify that you've the kernel source, c compiler c libraries installed (there may be others that lm7.2 doesn't automatically install, but I don't now remember). You'll get an error if you attempt to compile don't have the files you need. If the source is installed, I'm pretty sure you get specific errors telling you what you need. To verify you have the source, do: ls /usr/src/ If the source is installed, you will have a subdirectory something like: linux-2.2.17 This is the lm7.2 source, so, if you've a different release or kernel, this subdirectory will have a different kernel release. 1. As root, cd to /usr/src/whichever-release-you-have-installed 2. Enter (if in X -- if not, use menuconfig): # make xconfig In here you may want to go through all the different things familiarize yourself. If you see anything you know for a fact isn't on your system, you can change the module setting to suit. If you don't want to take any chances, you can leave it as is -- it simply takes a little longer to boot adds a "not found" line, or something similar, to your logs. There is a section on file systems, some way down you will find the ntfs read module. I believe (it's been a while since I've been in there) there's a section right near there with something about Experimental File Systems -- you shouldn't have any trouble finding it no matter what it's called, though. In here is, among a few other fs', the ntfs write module. You should set this to Load. Don't worry about the warnings. Just know that if there ~is~ potential for trouble, it certainly ~could~ happen. So, naturally, you want to back up any Windows data before you begin. Make any other changes you want save. The buttons are self explanatory. Then, at the command prompt: # make dep # make clean # make bzImage # make modules # make modules_install Now, if you run lilo, as I: # make bzlilo If you prefer grub, I'm sure there's a command line update for to enter, but when I was looking over grub info (I admit, I wasn't exactly studying it, as I was looking for a way to kill it go back to lilo) I didn't see it. Perhaps someone here with more grub knowledge could answer that? Then, making sure you have a boot disk handy, exit root, user, X, restart. I've not had a problem booting, but everyone's config is different. The worst that had ever happened after numerous recompilings was that I'd accidently either neglected some modules or added unnecessary ones. So, if you're careful no to remove anything which even looks remotely important, you should be fine. Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT
That's really good. What about Fat partitions, is it the same deal? Here's my scenario: I have two machines. One is running Linux MDK 7.2 and the other is Windows 98se. I want the Linux box to have access to the Windows drive. I have the machines set up in Point to Point topology through a hub. Not real complex. The Window box has a monster drive and the Linux box has a 3gig. I have some files that I want the Linux box to access on the Windows box. I would imagine it might be easier to mount the Windows drive, but I'm not to sure how to go about that. Any idea's or suggestions??? Moose -Original Message- From: Meph Istopheles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 10:52 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [newbie] read/write to and from NTFS/FAT Whether Jeff wants the detailed instructions or not, I would like them. Thanks a bunch. Alright Moose ( all), Keep in mind that there are reasons some do this one way reasons others do this another. I, by no means, claim the only or right way, but a way I've learned which works for me without trouble. These instructions, with one alteration, come from an article by Joseph Cheek's Linux column in the June 2000 issue of Computer Source magazine. This article is copyrighted, but I don't think there's an issue with extracting the steps from it. Disclaimer end As I'd mentioned, the ntfs write module is alpha -- termed "experimental" "dangerous". This may be true, but I've not heard of anyone actually having any more trouble than I had had before I'd been forced to reinstall W2k (for other reasons), which is now a fat32, instead of ntfs fs. But I'd had no problem with the ntfs write module in either nt4.0 or W2k. So, the first thing you need is to verify that you've the kernel source, c compiler c libraries installed (there may be others that lm7.2 doesn't automatically install, but I don't now remember). You'll get an error if you attempt to compile don't have the files you need. If the source is installed, I'm pretty sure you get specific errors telling you what you need. To verify you have the source, do: ls /usr/src/ If the source is installed, you will have a subdirectory something like: linux-2.2.17 This is the lm7.2 source, so, if you've a different release or kernel, this subdirectory will have a different kernel release. 1. As root, cd to /usr/src/whichever-release-you-have-installed 2. Enter (if in X -- if not, use menuconfig): # make xconfig In here you may want to go through all the different things familiarize yourself. If you see anything you know for a fact isn't on your system, you can change the module setting to suit. If you don't want to take any chances, you can leave it as is -- it simply takes a little longer to boot adds a "not found" line, or something similar, to your logs. There is a section on file systems, some way down you will find the ntfs read module. I believe (it's been a while since I've been in there) there's a section right near there with something about Experimental File Systems -- you shouldn't have any trouble finding it no matter what it's called, though. In here is, among a few other fs', the ntfs write module. You should set this to Load. Don't worry about the warnings. Just know that if there ~is~ potential for trouble, it certainly ~could~ happen. So, naturally, you want to back up any Windows data before you begin. Make any other changes you want save. The buttons are self explanatory. Then, at the command prompt: # make dep # make clean # make bzImage # make modules # make modules_install Now, if you run lilo, as I: # make bzlilo If you prefer grub, I'm sure there's a command line update for to enter, but when I was looking over grub info (I admit, I wasn't exactly studying it, as I was looking for a way to kill it go back to lilo) I didn't see it. Perhaps someone here with more grub knowledge could answer that? Then, making sure you have a boot disk handy, exit root, user, X, restart. I've not had a problem booting, but everyone's config is different. The worst that had ever happened after numerous recompilings was that I'd accidently either neglected some modules or added unnecessary ones. So, if you're careful no to remove anything which even looks remotely important, you should be fine. Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
