Re: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see?
On Saturday 13 June 2009 02:10, you wrote: et wrote: On Thursday 11 June 2009 09:23 pm, you wrote: Qupte from the linked article: Just as the AdTI showed that people who've actually worked with MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) Sir Robin no, no, that's highER, as in relative, as in I used to consider him as low as whale dung (bottom of the ocean) but now i know he is only as dumb as dirt. See, bottom of ocean=low, dirt=high-ER_ Well, since we're Well OT here: How many MCSE's does it take to change a light bulb? Two - one to change the lightbulb, and one to upgrade the rest of the house to make it compatible with the new lightbulb. How many NT sysadmins does it take to change a lightbulb? Same as the MCSE's, but they have to shut down the power to the whole neighbourhood while they do it. Sorry, couldn't resist that. Sir Robin I have some much better ones, now, if only I can find them ;-) -- Derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see?
On Thursday 11 June 2009 09:23 pm, you wrote: Qupte from the linked article: Just as the AdTI showed that people who've actually worked with MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) Sir Robin no, no, that's highER, as in relative, as in I used to consider him as low as whale dung (bottom of the ocean) but now i know he is only as dumb as dirt. See, bottom of ocean=low, dirt=high-ER_ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see?
shane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 11 June 2009 06:23 pm, robin did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) hey i have an mcse, took me a good 15 minutes of study too! - -- Hold (ESC)(CTRL)(ALT)(TAB)(SHIFT)(ENTER) click here # shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Ummm, Believe it or not, there is a boot camp available for your MCSE. I know several people who were sent there (to Redmond WA) from an organization in Northwest Alaska. They stayed in a swank hotel, ate their meals with the instructors, were given the exam twice daily, and were coached on the answers they got wrong, all for the economical sum of $1195 (US) daily. The average stay was 19 days with one of the group of 4 staying 31 days. When they left they could not install Windows 2K When they returned they could (barely) install Windows 2K. It took them three weeks to figure out an authentication problem plaguing their network for email. (No one could get email; everyone was asked for an additional password which no one knew.) But they are *ALL* MCSEs... What I do not know is whether M$ sponsors or is in fact associated at all with the boot camp. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see?
Where are all these companies paying big bucks for MCSE certification? I can't find them and I could install Win2k before I started studying. I gave up and now I'm learning linux. On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 15:31, civileme wrote: shane wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 11 June 2009 06:23 pm, robin did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) hey i have an mcse, took me a good 15 minutes of study too! - -- Hold (ESC)(CTRL)(ALT)(TAB)(SHIFT)(ENTER) click here # shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Ummm, Believe it or not, there is a boot camp available for your MCSE. I know several people who were sent there (to Redmond WA) from an organization in Northwest Alaska. They stayed in a swank hotel, ate their meals with the instructors, were given the exam twice daily, and were coached on the answers they got wrong, all for the economical sum of $1195 (US) daily. The average stay was 19 days with one of the group of 4 staying 31 days. When they left they could not install Windows 2K When they returned they could (barely) install Windows 2K. It took them three weeks to figure out an authentication problem plaguing their network for email. (No one could get email; everyone was asked for an additional password which no one knew.) But they are *ALL* MCSEs... What I do not know is whether M$ sponsors or is in fact associated at all with the boot camp. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see?
et wrote: On Thursday 11 June 2009 09:23 pm, you wrote: Qupte from the linked article: Just as the AdTI showed that people who've actually worked with MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) Sir Robin no, no, that's highER, as in relative, as in I used to consider him as low as whale dung (bottom of the ocean) but now i know he is only as dumb as dirt. See, bottom of ocean=low, dirt=high-ER_ Well, since we're Well OT here: How many MCSE's does it take to change a light bulb? Two - one to change the lightbulb, and one to upgrade the rest of the house to make it compatible with the new lightbulb. How many NT sysadmins does it take to change a lightbulb? Same as the MCSE's, but they have to shut down the power to the whole neighbourhood while they do it. Sorry, couldn't resist that. Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see?
I have worked with MCSE's on and off for about 5 years now, and why is it that me, being a 23 year old has far greater knowledge with regards to computers, network administration, implementation concepts, etc. etc. than ANYONE I have ever worked with who holds the MCSE title? I worked with this one guy, who was getting paid just over 2x the salary that I was making who had no idea of what an IRQ is, why they are needed, why most devices needed their own. He had spent nearly a week at a client's site, billing that client for his time there, just to get a 3rd network card installed onto an NT4.0 box, until that Friday, I visit the site to see if he needed a hand. I offer my help, and his response was what do you know? Youre just a kid. I neglected to answer that, and proceeded to change the conflicting IRQ to one that was available. 3 minutes is what it took for me to solve a problem that a guy with a $15000 education couldn't do in a week. The bill worked out to a little over $3000 to the client for a dumb kid to configure a NIC in 3 minutes... is this the kind of service that's good for business? His entire lifestyle (wage, ie new car, decent house etc.) was based upon a title, not the product of his efforts. I'm sorry to all you out there that ARE MCSE's... I'm sorry that you had to spend so much money to be mocked by someone like me who can literally run circles around your knowledge of computers (There ARE some who actually do know a lot about computers, but I can guarantee that the knowledge you possess did not come from any of Microsoft's training regimes). What do you do when windows doesn't start? Is re-install the only solution there is? I ask those of you who ARE MCSE's this: In a production environment, is it acceptable for a reboot to be required on your server when you install an upgrade (aka. Service pack), change an ip, or create/delete partitions on drives? Is uptime #1 on your priority list? Is money for licensing costs an endless resource? What about Security/privacy, would you like your server formatted one night because the manufacturer of your product didn't worry about getting it right the first time, and just said let's release it, and we can fix it later with 54 hotfixes and service packs? Do you like the fact that any sort of Customization to the operating system itself will either get you sued or imprisioned? Have you ever wondered WHY Microsoft OS'es have such a bad reputation? If you ever actually use another OS, you will see what it is that creates this opinion. Try it! And you wont even have to pay anything to do so... The problem here is that you have become cattle... follow what everyone else wants, don't think for yourself, don't ask yourself what you will really achieve, or how you will really benefit the company you work for. I have been hired as part of the IT staff, and none of us have had ANY official Microsoft training of any kind. In the interview I was asked what my training level was. My response was None, officially, then he asked if I would like to get my MCSE in the future, and I said a lot of what's in this post. Now I'm here. Cory Grey Coastal Pacific Xpress www.cpx.ca (604) 575-0983 -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 6:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see? Qupte from the linked article: Just as the AdTI showed that people who've actually worked with MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see? MYGOD!!! READ THIS !!!
http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s%253D701%2526a%253D26875,00.asp MS admits under oath that if it revealed parts of its source, it would seriously compromise national security because the code is severally flawed. now thats good reading, don't know why it doesn't get more publicity.. now why didn't I read that on MSN??? :-) rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of robin Sent: Friday, 12 June 2009 9:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see? Qupte from the linked article: Just as the AdTI showed that people who've actually worked with MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see?
On Thursday 11 June 2009 09:23 pm, robin wrote: Qupte from the linked article: Just as the AdTI showed that people who've actually worked with MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) Sir Robin There was a piece yesterday (not sure where -- might have been www.nando.net) about a 7 year old kid who passed the test and is now an MSCE. Where I get my shorts in a knot about this title is that it has another usage, namely Master of Science in Civil Engineering. You don't get one of those by reading a couple of cram books and a couple of classes. Oh well... -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Well OT: Re: [newbie] Hahaha, did you see?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 11 June 2009 06:23 pm, robin did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: MCSE's have a higher opinion of them than people who haven't What? There are actually people out there who have a high opinion of MSCEs? ;-) hey i have an mcse, took me a good 15 minutes of study too! - -- Hold (ESC)(CTRL)(ALT)(TAB)(SHIFT)(ENTER) click here # shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9BooDBwq+ZwvIN/oRAuR+AJ9J68rZjwBwi/mdHww5sKq6XzAIGACfYniD qWMBUlnVIuFg21mMuF5ec8k= =Zs2B -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
