Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
In defense of IT's (I'm not one), it's not their fault - they do what the HR or other department tell them to do. And the HR has to do it b/c if you piss off someone in IRC while logged in from a work computer that person can now sue your company. (Assuming US of course - Home of the Blame, land of the lawsuit.) Ty Original Message On 11/23/99, 2:10:35 AM, Mike Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding [newbie] Definitely Off Topic: Hi! I know this is off topic, but I noticed that a lot of you guys are Network Admins or similar.. I was just wondering if the following Saga is common practice by you guys... We have just been connected in the past month to the Internet at work and the following is the Lowdown of the past 2 days here. BTW, my work machine is a Windoze98 one :-( -- Yesterday morning when I started my trusty computer, it ran an additional script during logon. Well, that's interesting I said to myself... Then I looked at a friends email and clicked on a Link to a chat room and "Lo and Behold" the following Screen appeared in my browser... " Blocked by SurfWatch " Well, what do you know, say's I to myself :-( Then I looked a little closer at the URL of the Screen. http://net-intra.netafim-magal.co.il//sw-cgi/alert.cgi?action=denymode= blockurl=http%3a%2f%2fliveuniverse.com%2fworld%3fname%3dwinter%2527s%2 bchat%2broom%26type%3dchat Upon looking at the internet settings/lan of Internet Explorer, What could this be, I never set it up to use a proxy, so I quiet merrily disabled the use proxy option, and what do you know, that annoying SurfWatch disappeared :-) Well that's That I thought to myself. BUT, someone had other ideas it seems!!! Turned on trusty computer this morning, and what do you think I saw? Another @#$#@ Script run during Logon... Bugger says I.. Had a wee look at my I/E Internet settings/Lan, and what do you think I saw??? The options to change lan settings grayed out and set to use unfriendly proxy :-((( Needless to say I was seriously unchuffed!!! What can a poor boy do? Well couldn't find anything in the Registry to explain this new "feature" generously put into my brouser by our ever-loving IT So, out comes my trusty backup of Notscape, and Praise the Lord, At least that installed OK, and without any kindly supplied "added features" from our friendly IT. You know, if the stupid bugger would just give me a call and say "We don't want you to go to porno sites or chat with your work computer" Then he wouldn't need to fartass around wasting both his time and mine, as I DON'T go to Porno Sites, and if it really get's his knickers in a knot about chatting, then OK, it is possible to accommodate him... But that would be to logical and wouldn't allow him to flex his scrawny little Nerd Muscles. Anyway, that's about the situation today And what will appear on my screen during Logon tomorrow morning? Maybe a variant on Deltree C:\progra~1\Netscape or something? Jesus if he wasn't acting like an asshole I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to foil him.. As you can see I was somewhat annoyed What do you guys out there think? Dont Crucify me to harshly Rgds: Mike Linux -- the Ultimate Windows Service Pack
RE: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
Well I am not sure what the law says over here in Sunny Israel, though I suspect that they haven't even got around to thinking about such things. (Israel, Home of legalised torture and imprisonment without trial.) beat that one TY :-( And to all of you's thinking of flameing me, don't bother, I will go back on topic once again, I promise :-) Regards: Mike. Linux -- the Ultimate Windows Service Pack -Original Message- From: Ty C. Mixon [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: â 23 ðåáîáø 1999 12:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic In defense of IT's (I'm not one), it's not their fault - they do what the HR or other department tell them to do. And the HR has to do it b/c if you piss off someone in IRC while logged in from a work computer that person can now sue your company. (Assuming US of course - Home of the Blame, land of the lawsuit.) Ty
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
Mike Perry wrote: Hi! I know this is off topic, but I noticed that a lot of you guys are Network Admins or similar.. I was just wondering if the following Saga is common practice by you guys... We have just been connected in the past month to the Internet at work and the following is the Lowdown of the past 2 days here. BTW, my work machine is a Windoze98 one :-( Yes, it's completely common (on both sides of the tale). Businesses providing Internet access have a large responsibility to ensure that it doesn't provide/promote an "uncomfortable workplace" and that the facilities are not used to harass others. That goes for inside and outside the company. You know, if the stupid bugger would just give me a call and say "We don't want you to go to porno sites or chat with your work computer" Then he wouldn't need to fartass around wasting both his time and mine, as I DON'T go to Porno Sites, and if it really get's his knickers in a knot about chatting, then OK, it is possible to accommodate him... But that would be to logical and wouldn't allow him to flex his scrawny little Nerd Muscles. Ever consider that there's 200 of you little buggers running around? Heck, he MIGHT have time to actually send an email about the new situation if he weren't having to create login scripts to counteract all the changed settings and extra software being placed on the computer. And what will appear on my screen during Logon tomorrow morning? Maybe a variant on Deltree C:\progra~1\Netscape or something? Jesus if he wasn't acting like an asshole I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to foil him.. Take a hint. The filter is there for a reason. If you've got a complaint about it, take it up with HR. IS doesn't make the rules, it follows them. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
Take a hint. The filter is there for a reason. If you've got a complaint about it, take it up with HR. IS doesn't make the rules, it follows them. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Confirmation from a third party that the poor IS guy in the trenches is the decision maker. It amazes me how many people are willing to shoot the messenger. I'm not going to say that there aren't some first class butt heads who work in IS, but I know some of those out on the plant floor and in the warehouse and in the boardroom. MB
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
It probably wasn't his fault. Management most likeley made him do it in keeping with that general "cop/disiplinarian" mindset so prevelent in the work-place. I've often thought to myself, just as you say, "Why don't they just call and ask me not to do whatever, rather than create some kind of overkill security system." David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" **Rock on with glowing glass** -Original Message- From: Mike Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 4:54 AM Subject: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic Hi! I know this is off topic, but I noticed that a lot of you guys are Network Admins or similar.. I was just wondering if the following Saga is common practice by you guys... We have just been connected in the past month to the Internet at work and the following is the Lowdown of the past 2 days here. BTW, my work machine is a Windoze98 one :-( -- Yesterday morning when I started my trusty computer, it ran an additional script during logon. Well, that's interesting I said to myself... Then I looked at a friends email and clicked on a Link to a chat room and "Lo and Behold" the following Screen appeared in my browser... " Blocked by SurfWatch " Well, what do you know, say's I to myself :-( Then I looked a little closer at the URL of the Screen. http://net-intra.netafim-magal.co.il//sw-cgi/alert.cgi?action=denymode= blockurl=http%3a%2f%2fliveuniverse.com%2fworld%3fname%3dwinter%2527s%2 bchat%2broom%26type%3dchat Upon looking at the internet settings/lan of Internet Explorer, What could this be, I never set it up to use a proxy, so I quiet merrily disabled the use proxy option, and what do you know, that annoying SurfWatch disappeared :-) Well that's That I thought to myself. BUT, someone had other ideas it seems!!! Turned on trusty computer this morning, and what do you think I saw? Another @#$#@ Script run during Logon... Bugger says I.. Had a wee look at my I/E Internet settings/Lan, and what do you think I saw??? The options to change lan settings grayed out and set to use unfriendly proxy :-((( Needless to say I was seriously unchuffed!!! What can a poor boy do? Well couldn't find anything in the Registry to explain this new "feature" generously put into my brouser by our ever-loving IT So, out comes my trusty backup of Notscape, and Praise the Lord, At least that installed OK, and without any kindly supplied "added features" from our friendly IT. You know, if the stupid bugger would just give me a call and say "We don't want you to go to porno sites or chat with your work computer" Then he wouldn't need to fartass around wasting both his time and mine, as I DON'T go to Porno Sites, and if it really get's his knickers in a knot about chatting, then OK, it is possible to accommodate him... But that would be to logical and wouldn't allow him to flex his scrawny little Nerd Muscles. Anyway, that's about the situation today And what will appear on my screen during Logon tomorrow morning? Maybe a variant on Deltree C:\progra~1\Netscape or something? Jesus if he wasn't acting like an asshole I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to foil him.. As you can see I was somewhat annoyed What do you guys out there think? Dont Crucify me to harshly Rgds: Mike Linux -- the Ultimate Windows Service Pack
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hi! I know this is off topic, but I noticed that a lot of you guys are Network Admins or similar.. I was just wondering if the following Saga is common practice by you guys... We have just been connected in the past month to the Internet at work and the following is the Lowdown of the past 2 days here. BTW, my work machine is a Windoze98 one :-( Install Mandrake on your work machine and tell him to stuff it! :-) He can't block you THEN! :-) (course he COULD just format and reinstall Windoze after you leave... G) John
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
Thank you, thank you, thank you. Confirmation from a third party that the poor IS guy in the trenches is the decision maker. It amazes me how insert ^^NOT^^ many people are willing to shoot the messenger. I'm not going to say that there aren't some first class butt heads who work in IS, but I know some of those out on the plant floor and in the warehouse and in the boardroom. Sorry
RE: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
I'm afraid I have to side with the IT guys/company owners. You're there to work, not chat. It's my machinery so to speak, if you want to chat go to a cybercafe for lunch. Too many issues about proper use of company time and equipment let alone the number of denizens looking for somebody to dns and then try to hack the system later, not to mention potential DOS attacks. Want to take those risks, my reply would be do it with your own system, not mine. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimisation: The speed of a non-working program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Philp Sent: November 23, 1999 3:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic John Aldrich wrote: On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hi! I know this is off topic, but I noticed that a lot of you guys are Network Admins or similar.. I was just wondering if the following Saga is common practice by you guys... We have just been connected in the past month to the Internet at work and the following is the Lowdown of the past 2 days here. BTW, my work machine is a Windoze98 one :-( Install Mandrake on your work machine and tell him to stuff it! :-) He can't block you THEN! :-) (course he COULD just format and reinstall Windoze after you leave... G) For our company, that would be considered destruction of company property and would be a terminable offense. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Definitely Off Topic
On Tue, 23 Nov 1999, you wrote: "Michael R. Batchelor" wrote: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Confirmation from a third party that the poor IS guy in the trenches is the decision maker. It amazes me how insert ^^NOT^^ many people are willing to shoot the messenger. I'm not going to say that there aren't some first class butt heads who work in IS, but I know some of those out on the plant floor and in the warehouse and in the boardroom. Sorry For the most part, I doubt that IS people go out of their way to be asses about things. They do have jobs to do, machines and software to maintain, and new projects to finish. If there are ways for them to reduce the amount of software and machine maintenance they have to do, they'd be crazy NOT to do them. The original poster should be glad he doesn't work on our network. ALL Internet access is restricted by the firewall, outgoing connections must pass through a blocking / caching proxy server, email is logged in both directions, Windows machines are locked down to allow only certain apps to be run, etc. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's the direction my company is going. I am now looking at software that will enable us to lock down the win95 client machines from the server. As for internet access, ours isn't so strict, but when we discover someone abusing this privelage, and it is a privilege, then we take action to bring this to a stop, on an individual basis though. -- Chip Wiegand Computer Services Simrad, Inc Those who dare to fail miserably can achieve greatly Robert F. Kennedy
