Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
On Wed, 2003-06-04 at 09:06, Sharrea wrote: So Femme, if you end up trying the nvidia drivers with the enterprise kernel and run into problems, then try the standard kernel. Also, I didn't notice any increase in performance (system speed) by switching to the standard kernel. And even with only 1 GB of RAM the swap is never touched. Cheers Sharrea Thanks i've had trouble installing the silly *ATI* Drivers using the E kernel itself. Says i have a glibc or something conflict. :\ Wheee... -- Femme *** *Using Evolution on * *Mandrake 9.1 Loving it!* Suck it M$hit! OWNED! * *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
At 06:21 AM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: Well OK, then. No Offense meant! I hope none taken? Lanman None taken. I'm pretty tough to offend. :) - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
At 01:33 PM 6/3/2003 +0100, you wrote: Don't know if you still want this info, but kernel-enterprise-2.4.21.0.13mdk is on cd1 of 9.1 Anne heh ty Anne. :) - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
At 10:44 PM 6/3/2003 +1000, you wrote: I'm wondering if the hair dye has begun to penetrate the scalp and cranial mantle to infiltrate the neural synapses and cause major dysfunction; else the perpetrator could possibly be prescribed pharmaceuticals in more than ample quantities coupled with distilled products. -- I'm gonna pretend I didn't read that... lol i may need to take a trip to Aussieland just to see you beat you senseless drink with you. :D - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
At 03:49 PM 6/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: I'm going to be reinstalling (Don't go there stephen) again soon. I royally fubared my system. :D. Normal. For me. snip blah blah blah...stupid girl goes on on... Addendum: On the MDK Site I saw at one time d/l's for the 8.2 Enterpise ver of MDK's distro. I'll be damned if I can find an enterprise ver of 9.0 or 9.1. Did they integrate that whole thing into just the normal d/l-able 9.x ver I have? Is that what I am to presume from it installing the Ent. kernel on my system? - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
On Monday 02 June 2003 04:49 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: I'm going to be reinstalling (Don't go there stephen) again soon. I royally fubared my system. :D. Normal. For me. heh anyway whenever I've installed it on this new system (With VGA LO No less on freaking Radeon 9700!~ pisses me off..fastest grafx in the world right now yet i have to install in 8bit colour...whee)...anyway... it installs by default an Enterprise AND a normal kernel! it gives me hte option in LILO too to choose one at boot time. Which one should I use? Which one is better for this system (Specs below snip @ leisure)? And is there a reason to NOT use the E. Kernel? Am I courting disaster here (as if i don't everytime I use linux anyway...disaster for the linux install anyway...not for me. :D). P4 2.5ghz brand new Radeon 9700 Kingston DDR 333 1 gb of RAM Asus P4C800 DX (Deluxe) mobo SBLive SC Onboard Ethernet (Gigabit) + Onboard sound (disabled ofc) Onboard RAID SATA (which is useless atm...sigh) I have never tried a 1+ GB ram installation but from what I understand without the enterprize kernel you will not be able to make use of all your memoryonly around 900 MB. I have also heard that the E kernel will slow system performance due to the way it accesses memory and what ever memory management scheme it uses. I have never seen any data discribing how much it will slow preformance. Bottom line the system may preform somewhat faster without the E kernel even though you will have less RAM unless you are running some application that is the ulitmate memory hog. Marc KM5KW -- Composed on a 100% Microsoft and Windows free computer with Mandrake Linux 9.1 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
On Tuesday 03 June 2003 01:03, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Stephen, aka The Pants Huhh, I thought those had gone to the dogs ages ago? Well at least the one with leopard spots did.;oD HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
At 09:03 AM 6/3/2003 +1000, you wrote: On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 07:49, FemmeFatale wrote: I'm going to be reinstalling (Don't go there stephen) again soon. I royally fubared my system. :D. Normal. For me. NO COMMENT. Q: Why do you believe you MUST use the ENTERPRISE kernel instead of the regular kernel? The regular kernel is able to handle upward of 4gb of RAM...(or at least that's what I've read). heh i don't why you think i'm asking the list? I dunno shit i'm just a dummy at this. :D - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
At 10:28 PM 6/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: Femme; The Enterprise kernel is primarily designed for servers with dual CPU's. It provides the same characteristics as the SMP version ( Symmetrical Multi-Processing), and a few tweaks to the memory management. But unless you have a small hard drive, this shouldn't be an issue anyways. If you're doing a fresh install, you can add the SMP and Enterprise kernels to your install and try them out. They will be added to LILO, so you can select any of them and try them for yourself. That way, you can decide whether or not they work for you or not. If you decide that either of these kernels work for you, then un-install the ones you don't need, and keep the ones you like. P.S.; I get the impression your not a dummy at all. Lanman Heh ty sweetheart. You're being very kind. I ask the question b/c honestly linux itself when I installed it made both kernels available. I wasn't sure really what the diff was cept for the memory support above a gig. So I wasn't sure which to choose. Kinda a silly question maybe but how will i know which is better??? Is there an objective way to find out? Oh I looked @ my memory usage using Ent. but I think it said i had 800mb... this led me to try to tell LILO that I had 1gb of memory. After that I have no linux that works so I must reinstall. :D Ain't i brilliant? Still think i'm not a dummy? :) heh - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
Dear Femme; You said it yourself. Enterprise kernel is for systems above a Gig. You have exactly a Gig. The thing is, I saw the list of hardware you have on a previous port ( nice hardware by the way ), and I don't think that the E-kernel will do the trick for you. It's designed for your usual server-based services which don't do a lot of exciting things, just a lot of server things in a very stable manner. I'm running the E-kernel on a dual Athlon server with 2 Gigs of ram and it's very nice, but not designed for multi-media stuff. Your system is screaming for a standard kernel or the SMP kernel. As far as seeing only 800 Megs of your ram is concerned, that's because of two things - 1) Linux only needs 800 on your system, and 2) you don't have OVER a Gig. Normally, Linux takes all the available ram and manages it so that different applications can have what they need. Once you get up topwards a Gig however, you start heading into server-country, and that's where the E-kernel kicks in. I think Linus designed it that way because he never conceived of a desktop user needing more than 6 or 7 hundred Megs of ram, and figured that anyone using more than that would probably be using it for a server. Your hardware is obviously for a multi-media desktop PC, but since the installer sees a Gig of ram, it assumes that you have a server and installs the E-kernel, thinking it's doing you a favour. You can leave it there and try it out, but I think the only ploace you'll notice a difference is in stability. That's the good news. The bad news is that your motherboard will probably run your FSB bus at a slower rate with that much ram in it. I've got the Asus A7V8X in mine (what can I say? I'm a nut for AMD!), and I noticed an improvement in my system when I pulled 512 Megs of ram OUT, and dropped it down to 512Mb's! If you've got two sticks of ram on-board, try pulling out half, and restarting with the normal kernel. I think you'll be surprised. Asus boards have a nasty habit of dropping the speed of your Front-Side Bus down a notch or two when you run that much ram, so by pulling out half, the FSB should go back up to the fastest speed that your CPU can handle. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that your system runs 10% faster afterwards. I haven't found out if this quirk is due to the chipset or just the nature of the beast, yet, but if I do, I'll let you know. Hope this helps (?). By the way, I meant what i said about you NOT being a dummy! I think that the term dummies is synonymous with Microsoft Windows User, and is especially reserved for those that never take the time to read End-User License Agreements (EULA's), so that they can discover which of their privacy rights they are surrendering to MicroShaft. I don't think you'd qualify for that title, nor would anyone on this list, since they're already using or looking for a decent alternative! Anyway, try a variety of kernels if you like. It won't harm your system, and after a few weeks you can decide if there's a difference or not, but kep in mind the idea of dropping your ram to 512Mb's. Cheers! (Nice flaming red hair by the way! That was a wig, right?) Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 6/2/2003 at 9:48 PM FemmeFatale wrote: At 10:28 PM 6/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: Femme; The Enterprise kernel is primarily designed for servers with dual CPU's. It provides the same characteristics as the SMP version ( Symmetrical Multi-Processing), and a few tweaks to the memory management. But unless you have a small hard drive, this shouldn't be an issue anyways. If you're doing a fresh install, you can add the SMP and Enterprise kernels to your install and try them out. They will be added to LILO, so you can select any of them and try them for yourself. That way, you can decide whether or not they work for you or not. If you decide that either of these kernels work for you, then un-install the ones you don't need, and keep the ones you like. P.S.; I get the impression your not a dummy at all. Lanman Heh ty sweetheart. You're being very kind. I ask the question b/c honestly linux itself when I installed it made both kernels available. I wasn't sure really what the diff was cept for the memory support above a gig. So I wasn't sure which to choose. Kinda a silly question maybe but how will i know which is better??? Is there an objective way to find out? Oh I looked @ my memory usage using Ent. but I think it said i had 800mb... this led me to try to tell LILO that I had 1gb of memory. After that I have no linux that works so I must reinstall. :D Ain't i brilliant? Still think i'm not a dummy? :) heh - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
At 01:53 AM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: Dear Femme; You said it yourself. SNIP I myself am running the E-kernel on a dual Athlon server with 2 Gigs of ram and it's very nice, but not designed for multi-media stuff. Your system is screaming for a standard kernel or the SMP kernel. SMP Kernel...wtf for??? I don't have a dual cpu setup...wish i did sometimes but it'd be useless for me. As far as seeing only 800 Megs of your ram is concerned, that's because of two things - 1) Linux only needs 800 on your system, and 2) you don't have OVER a Gig. Normally, Linux takes all the available ram and manages it so that different applications can have what they need. Once you get up topwards a Gig however, you start heading into server-country, and that's where the E-kernel kicks in. I think Linus designed it that way because he never conceived of a desktop user needing more than 6 or 7 hundred Megs of ram, and figured that anyone using more than that would probably be using it for a server. OK that makes perfect sense... I can live with that. Your hardware is obviously for a multi-media desktop PC, but since the installer sees a Gig of ram, it assumes that you have a server and installs the E-kernel, thinking it's doing you a favour. You can leave it there and try it out, but I think the only ploace you'll notice a difference is in stability. That's the good news. The bad news is that your motherboard will probably run your FSB bus at a slower rate with that much ram in it. hm..funny you should mention that... I had to manually force my RAM to run @ 333 speeds instead of 266 which is what it ran at on the AUTO setting... don't know about my FSB. May have to force that too if i can run a test or 2 to find out what it IS running at. Asus boards have a nasty habit of dropping the speed of your Front-Side Bus down a notch or two when you run that much ram, so by pulling out half, the FSB should go back up to the fastest speed that your CPU can handle. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that your system runs 10% faster afterwards. I haven't found out if this quirk is due to the chipset or just the nature of the beast, yet, but if I do, I'll let you know. Thx I appreciate it...its a brand new board manufactured 6 months ago... so you'd think it'd be better than the older ones. Dunno if it is though yet. If/when I find out the FSB I will post for you. Hope this helps (?). By the way, I meant what i said about you NOT being a dummy! I think that the term dummies is synonymous with Microsoft Windows User, and is especially reserved for those that never take the time to read End-User License Agreements (EULA's), so that they can discover which of their privacy rights they are surrendering to MicroShaft. I don't think you'd qualify for that title, nor would anyone on this list, since they're already using or looking for a decent alternative! heh... ya i know you meant it. thx. I'm sure we are all in similar straights: Looking for a better way to do things... and the dummies reference wasn't meant as anythign but a poke at myself my bimbette nature sometimes. :) Anyway, try a variety of kernels if you like. It won't harm your system, and after a few weeks you can decide if there's a difference or not, but kep in mind the idea of dropping your ram to 512Mb's. Cheers! (Nice flaming red hair by the way! That was a wig, right?) Lanman Wig he says...sheesh... no its really pink! Yes I do really dye it this colour every 3 months or so! heh going again this month or so... :) Last time was pink with purple roots ... likely i'll keep that this time around again. The purple was real too in teh hospital :) - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I know the Enterprise Kernel is if you have 1.0+ GB of RAM
On Monday 02 Jun 2003 11:01 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: At 03:49 PM 6/2/2003 -0600, you wrote: I'm going to be reinstalling (Don't go there stephen) again soon. I royally fubared my system. :D. Normal. For me. snip blah blah blah...stupid girl goes on on... Addendum: On the MDK Site I saw at one time d/l's for the 8.2 Enterpise ver of MDK's distro. I'll be damned if I can find an enterprise ver of 9.0 or 9.1. Did they integrate that whole thing into just the normal d/l-able 9.x ver I have? Is that what I am to presume from it installing the Ent. kernel on my system? Don't know if you still want this info, but kernel-enterprise-2.4.21.0.13mdk is on cd1 of 9.1 Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
