Re: [newbie] NetBEUI on Linux?
On Wed, 2002-04-03 at 15:15, Randy Kramer wrote: Bill Davidson wrote: I seriously doubt it. NetBEUI is an old protocol that Microsoft hardly supports anymore. If at all. On Wednesday 03 April 2002 05:53 pm, Wally wrote: Is there a way to get my Mandrake 8.1 laptop to see my Windows desktop using NetBEUI? Can't use TCP/IP at the moment because the desktop's ip is assigned via the cable modem. Two points: To Bill: IMHO, the bigger question is whether Linux can support NetBEUI -- I know NetBEUI works in Win95, and I'm fairly certain it works in Win98, and is probably still supported in more recent versions. To Wally: The fact that the desktop's IP is assigned via the cable modem should not necessarily prevent you from seeing the Windows desktop. I think there are ways to assign two IPs to the same network card, and there was a post about this not too long ago on either the newbie or expert list. IIRC, civileme described the setup as the poor man's router (although I may have that mixed up with another thread). Randy Kramer There is a thread on the expert list and another on the cooker list explaining how to assign more than one IP to a single card, but it really is better to activate connection sharing and use two cards for security reasons as well as fewer network collisions. NetBEUI (NetBIOS Extended User Interface) is not a Microsoft exclusive; it was in fact developed by IBM in the 1980s. No support nor is ther likely to be. Instead of approaching the security problem by creating an entirely different network, TCP/IP was used locally. This is secure, because the IP addresses reserved for local networks will not be relayed by an internet router. It is also capable of higher security levels using ssh connections. So 1. There is no need for NetBEUI in linux. It is possible of course to resolve IPs to NEtBEUI names with nmblookup -U xxx.yyy.zzz.aaa -A #(Yes install Samba) And LinPopup is available for WinPopup type apps. There was an announcement by Network Storage Manufacturer Procom in May of 2000 that they would have NetBEUI for linux and that it would be available for download. A search of http://www.procom.com does not find any current news of the product. 2. There is no impetus to write a WHOLE NEW SET of tools to do communication across a different network. Remember the mailbox is used for the next desk over and Outlook is used for the internet in Microsoft. Two mailing systems to learn for the power of one, is what a so-called secure local network costs in M$. At least that is how some Microsoft users explained it to me. The last time I really worked with M$ software was about the time NetBEUI matured and was not updated--like about 1997. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] NetBEUI on Linux?
Is there a way to get my Mandrake 8.1 laptop to see my Windows desktop using NetBEUI? Can't use TCP/IP at the moment because the desktop's ip is assigned via the cable modem. Wally, I have a similar situation, but with LM on the notebook and W2k on the desktop. ( my notebook doesnt travel alot theough ). Like someboy here suggested in the theread,I also suggest that you make LM your gateway to the internet,you cna do that either by: 1) using internet connection sharing from Mandrake control center. 2) Or by editting the /etc/Bastille/bastille-firewall.cfg file in case you are running bastill ofcourse ( and you can know if you are running bastill or not either by looking for a line that says: starting bastille firewall [OK] or by running the command ( as root: /etc/rc.d/init.d/bastille-firewall status in the console ( u should see a set of lines scrolling through the screen if it is working ). read my thread on this where LOTS of this List's Knights helped me out on this :) it was under the name: [newbie] iptables / ipchains / bastille ??!! you will find some of the files that need to be configured and some very usefull info. but even without making linux your gateway, I belive you can still make win your gateway with little effort,( I heard that from somebody , yet I'm not aware of how much is this little effort :) Good Luck. - Hanan AL-Shargi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] NetBEUI on Linux?
I seriously doubt it. NetBEUI is an old protocol that Microsoft hardly supports anymore. If at all. Bill On Wednesday 03 April 2002 05:53 pm, Wally wrote: Is there a way to get my Mandrake 8.1 laptop to see my Windows desktop using NetBEUI? Can't use TCP/IP at the moment because the desktop's ip is assigned via the cable modem. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] NetBEUI on Linux?
Bill Davidson wrote: I seriously doubt it. NetBEUI is an old protocol that Microsoft hardly supports anymore. If at all. On Wednesday 03 April 2002 05:53 pm, Wally wrote: Is there a way to get my Mandrake 8.1 laptop to see my Windows desktop using NetBEUI? Can't use TCP/IP at the moment because the desktop's ip is assigned via the cable modem. Two points: To Bill: IMHO, the bigger question is whether Linux can support NetBEUI -- I know NetBEUI works in Win95, and I'm fairly certain it works in Win98, and is probably still supported in more recent versions. To Wally: The fact that the desktop's IP is assigned via the cable modem should not necessarily prevent you from seeing the Windows desktop. I think there are ways to assign two IPs to the same network card, and there was a post about this not too long ago on either the newbie or expert list. IIRC, civileme described the setup as the poor man's router (although I may have that mixed up with another thread). Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] NetBEUI on Linux?
On Wednesday 03 April 2002 11:53 pm, Wally wrote: Is there a way to get my Mandrake 8.1 laptop to see my Windows desktop using NetBEUI? Can't use TCP/IP at the moment because the desktop's ip is assigned via the cable modem. Ermm.. No... In any case NetBEUI would not help. It still uses the same IP address as TCP You need to look at how you are connected to your cable modem. If you have a cable modem connected directly to your desktop on a NIC, and your laptop is connected to your desktop on a different NIC, then that is two different lan segments, and the segment the laptop is on has nothing to do with the way your desktop gets its IP address. You could run static addressing between your laptop and desktop while still using DHCP to your cable modem. (I will ignore for the moment the temptation to say you should run the more stable and virus resistant OS on the boundary to the internet- Damn I said it!) If however you have a hub directly connected to your cable modem, with both your desktop and laptop directly attached to the hub with your desktop set for dhcp, while your laptop is set for static addressing then that is not a good idea since your laptop will not know what IP address the desktop is using unless it is also set to use DHCP, and since you are in the UK that means you are either an NTL customer (like me), or a Telewest one, and I know they do not allow more than one IP address on a cable modem so that is not a viable alternative. (Unless you pay the very expensive 'Business tariff') The third possibility is you have a router or firewall device between the cable modem and your local lan segment. In this case you should configure it as a DHCP server and let both computers obtain their IP addresses from it. (That's what I do) The cheapest solution is the first one. Put two NIC cards in one of the computers and let it work as a gateway. Windows 98SE and upwards is capable of this. But of course Linux does it better. (Damn I said it again!) There is also another issue to address before your laptop can see your desktop. That is the fact that Windows networking uses a proprietary SMB protocol on top of TCP/IP (or NETBEUI) OpenSource engineers have reverse engineered that protocol, and there is an application called 'Samba' which allows a Linux computer to appear to be a Windows NT computer to a Microsoft network. To set up Samba check out the docs section at www.mandrakeuser.org Strangely enough a Linux computer running samba outperforms a Windows2k machine as a Windows file server. (Damn I said it again) HTH derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
