Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
I've had the same problem. I installed 9.2 download edition, then installed security and bugfixes through MCC (but not the kernel, since I don't have an LG drive), and experienced three system freezes in a row. Since other MDK releases were rock solid, and it was the first time that I tried the online upgrading process, I reinstalled 9.2 download edition and did not upgrade security and bugfixes. Now it is as stable as it should be. So I concluded there was a problem with the security and bugfixes download, or that the fixes themselves where not tested enough. raffaele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am new to the list and mandrake. More than a year ago, i tried with mandrake 9.0 for a short time and decided that i prefered suse. Recently i decided to try mandrake once again. I became a silver member of mandrake club and downlowd the powerpack 3 CD version and installed it. The installation seemed very smooth much better than 9.0 where erased the entire partion table on my machine several times. THe only wrong thing with installtion was that on default the users are not given write permision to the home directory! So i have to first log in as root and change the write permission. The sound is by default mute. I have to change the sound to advanced linux sound system to have it work and unmute the sounds! Then i did upgrading through internet. About 300MB download. Right now my main problem is that it freezes so often. It freezes when i am just in konqueror or mozilla serfing the web! The whole OS freezes. No mouse, or keyboard functioning! Even ctrl+alt+F1 to switch to run level one does not work. It freezed also once after i ran a command in the terminal to add a ftp address to the list of download mirror sites. If somebody can tell me where to look for the source of problem and what i can do in this regard, i would be very grateful. Please tell me if you are experiencing similar problems or not and if so, what you have done to remedy the situation. I am overall very happy with the speed of the OS. It is as fast as windows XP on my machine (other than the boot process!) Konqueror is now so nice and fast to use comparing to suse 8.1, redhat8.0 and libranet 2.7 and 2.8 that i have tried. It seems that they have removed some of the KDE configuration options. I hope they are not going the way of removing even more configuration options. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
With 9.1, I haven't had any problem with the Nvidia drivers, but my cards are all at least a year old, so I can't guarantee what happens with the newest hardware. I've been using the proprietary Nvidia drivers for a couple of years now, with cards from the old TNT to GeForce (depending on which machine I'm using) and they've been trouble-free. Proprietary or not, Nvidia seems to have their act together with Linux support, and the installation has gotten easier over time (now it's just a .run, unless you are installing under SuSe, and then you need to jump through some relatively simple steps). I truly believe that we Linux users should buy our hardware from companies that go the extra step to fully support our systems, even if the support is in a proprietary format. e. On Saturday 20 December 2003 09:34 pm, Ramin M wrote: I have heard that nvidia graphic cards usually work better under linux and mandrake already includes them in the power pack version like the ati drivers. Do you know about if they are trouble free unlike the ati cards? I am thinking to buy one and sell out my ati card. Financially this is not much loss. Regards, Ramin --- E. Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had problems with the Mobility version of this card on a laptop. There is something wrong with the dri (direct rendering) implementation with the drivers, but I haven't heard that the problem extends beyond the mobility chip. My lockups would occur at shutdown, however, and only very rarely during use. Just as a test, you might try commenting out the # Load dri line in your xconfig-4 Module section, to see if the problem might go away. GLX doesn't look too good if your system acts up running gears, either, but one thing at a time. Perhaps SuSe is writing the xconfig-4 file for the Radeon somewhat differently than Mandrake does it? For the record, I like SuSe a lot, but use Mandrake because I like the Mandrake config tools better than YAST. e On Saturday 20 December 2003 07:46 am, Ramin M wrote: Another problem during the installation was that the second time that i installed mk9.2 (i had to do this for some reason), it detected two graphic cards on my machine (on pci buses 1:5:0 and 1:5:1) where there is only one graphic card. Running glxgears after the first installation was giving me 2600fps and now after the second installation it gives 1900fps. Besides running glxgears now causes lines of lights flashing on my monitor and make the OS very unstable. I just removed the lines related to the second graphic card in etc/x11/xconfig-4 file and the xwindows is still working. So the problem might be related to this bad detection of the graphic card! My hardwares are as follows: motherboard: Asus A7M266-D CPU: MP2000 dual processor sound card: sound blaster live! (dolby 5.1) graphic card: ATI 9000pro scsi adapter: Adatec 29160 U160 three scsi hard disks from fujitsu and seagate 15k and 10k rpms. minolta scan elite scsi scanner Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
E. Hines wrote: With 9.1, I haven't had any problem with the Nvidia drivers, but my cards are all at least a year old, so I can't guarantee what happens with the newest hardware. I've been using the proprietary Nvidia drivers for a couple of years now, with cards from the old TNT to GeForce (depending on which machine I'm using) and they've been trouble-free. Proprietary or not, Nvidia seems to have their act together with Linux support, and the installation has gotten easier over time (now it's just a .run, unless you are installing under SuSe, and then you need to jump through some relatively simple steps). I truly believe that we Linux users should buy our hardware from companies that go the extra step to fully support our systems, even if the support is in a proprietary format. I agree in general, though I wouldn't pass over a better product in favour of a less good one just because the latter provided Linux drivers. You also need to bear in mind that some companies who do not provide Linux drivers also support Linux by adopting a cooperative attitude to developers who want to write Open Source drivers. This said, Nvidia have a pretty good record. I've been using their cards for a few years (first GeForce II, now GeForce IV) and have been very happy with them. I've used the XFree86 drivers (which are fine if you don't want hardware acceleration), the download from Nvidia and, briefly an RPM from either Texstar or PLF. There should be no problems so long as you follow the instructions in the README (older versions had some problems with conflicts with stale OpenGL symlinks, but I haven't noticed that recently). Sir Robin -- Certitude is possible for those who only own one encyclopedia. - Robert Anton Wilson Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
On Sunday 21 December 2003 11:41 am, robin wrote: E. Hines wrote: With 9.1, I haven't had any problem with the Nvidia drivers, but my cards are all at least a year old, so I can't guarantee what happens with the newest hardware. I've been using the proprietary Nvidia drivers for a couple of years now, with cards from the old TNT to GeForce (depending on which machine I'm using) and they've been trouble-free. Proprietary or not, Nvidia seems to have their act together with Linux support, and the installation has gotten easier over time (now it's just a .run, unless you are installing under SuSe, and then you need to jump through some relatively simple steps). I truly believe that we Linux users should buy our hardware from companies that go the extra step to fully support our systems, even if the support is in a proprietary format. I agree in general, though I wouldn't pass over a better product in favour of a less good one just because the latter provided Linux drivers. You also need to bear in mind that some companies who do not provide Linux drivers also support Linux by adopting a cooperative attitude to developers who want to write Open Source drivers. This said, Nvidia have a pretty good record. I've been using their cards for a few years (first GeForce II, now GeForce IV) and have been very happy with them. I've used the XFree86 drivers (which are fine if you don't want hardware acceleration), the download from Nvidia and, briefly an RPM from either Texstar or PLF. There should be no problems so long as you follow the instructions in the README (older versions had some problems with conflicts with stale OpenGL symlinks, but I haven't noticed that recently). Sir Robin I have to agree,,, I use Mandrake because it 'works best', and I use NVidia cards because they 'work best' (and I use ATI cards just as often) anything that is 'just out' will have updated drivers in a few months, no matter what OS. but back to the problem in the subject line. turn off 'plug and pray aware' OS in BIOS. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
--- et [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 21 but back to the problem in the subject line. turn off 'plug and pray aware' OS in BIOS. Sorry, is this in reply to my problem? Why should i turn off this in BIOS? Regards, Regards, Ramin __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
On Sunday 21 December 2003 10:36 pm, Ramin M wrote: --- et [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 21 but back to the problem in the subject line. turn off 'plug and pray aware' OS in BIOS. Sorry, is this in reply to my problem? Why should i turn off this in BIOS? Regards, Regards, Ramin __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca because linux is not 'a plug and pray aware OS', and you may be having conflicts with IRQs Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
It is getting better now as the lockup´s are less frequent than before but still they happen. A few minutes ago, i was typing a message that the OS suddenly rebooted the machine with no apparant reason! Yes i am dual booting with windows. Regards, Ramin --- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, how long does it take to freeze? and is it dual booted with M$? i have no lockup problems at all ever... -- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer-Tupac ++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZregistered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature name=signature.asc __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
--- E. Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday Have any other users out there noticed that the /home/username directory isn't user writable after installation? I haven't seen that one before (and I installed 9.2 on a friends laptop last week). The lockups are happening less than before, though this is the second time that i am writing this message! The first time, when i was typing, the OS suddenly rebooted the machine! Actually there were some there (perhaps minor) problems during the installation like when during partitioning i mount a particular partition and then i decide to unmount it because i forgot the format the partition, it gives me error and does not unmount the partition. Another problem during the installation was that the second time that i installed mk9.2 (i had to do this for some reason), it detected two graphic cards on my machine (on pci buses 1:5:0 and 1:5:1) where there is only one graphic card. Running glxgears after the first installation was giving me 2600fps and now after the second installation it gives 1900fps. Besides running glxgears now causes lines of lights flashing on my monitor and make the OS very unstable. I just removed the lines related to the second graphic card in etc/x11/xconfig-4 file and the xwindows is still working. So the problem might be related to this bad detection of the graphic card! My hardwares are as follows: motherboard: Asus A7M266-D CPU: MP2000 dual processor sound card: sound blaster live! (dolby 5.1) graphic card: ATI 9000pro scsi adapter: Adatec 29160 U160 three scsi hard disks from fujitsu and seagate 15k and 10k rpms. minolta scan elite scsi scanner I haven yet got time to check if my scanner is detected and works under mandrake. Nor have i checked if the how properly my cd burner and dvd/cd rom work. The sound is by default mute. I have to change the sound to advanced linux sound system to have it work and unmute the sounds! Yeah, people have been complaining about this for over a year. . Right now my main problem is that it freezes so often. It freezes when i am just in konqueror or mozilla serfing the web! The whole OS freezes. No mouse, or keyboard functioning! Even ctrl+alt+F1 to switch to run level one does not work. It freezed also once after i ran a command in the terminal to add a ftp address to the list of download mirror sites. If somebody can tell me where to look for the source of problem and what i can do in this regard, i would be very grateful. Please tell me if you are experiencing similar problems or not and if so, what you have done to remedy the situation. This sounds very much like a hardware problem. My first guess, from the symptom, is that it is an issue with the video card/driver combination. Tell us about your hardware. I'm still using 9.1, because it works flawlessly on numerous desktop and laptop systems where I've installed it (although I had to do some tweaking on a couple of them because of hardware issues), and I just can't see a reason to upgrade--yet. e. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
I have heard that nvidia graphic cards usually work better under linux and mandrake already includes them in the power pack version like the ati drivers. Do you know about if they are trouble free unlike the ati cards? I am thinking to buy one and sell out my ati card. Financially this is not much loss. Regards, Ramin --- E. Hines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had problems with the Mobility version of this card on a laptop. There is something wrong with the dri (direct rendering) implementation with the drivers, but I haven't heard that the problem extends beyond the mobility chip. My lockups would occur at shutdown, however, and only very rarely during use. Just as a test, you might try commenting out the # Load dri line in your xconfig-4 Module section, to see if the problem might go away. GLX doesn't look too good if your system acts up running gears, either, but one thing at a time. Perhaps SuSe is writing the xconfig-4 file for the Radeon somewhat differently than Mandrake does it? For the record, I like SuSe a lot, but use Mandrake because I like the Mandrake config tools better than YAST. e On Saturday 20 December 2003 07:46 am, Ramin M wrote: Another problem during the installation was that the second time that i installed mk9.2 (i had to do this for some reason), it detected two graphic cards on my machine (on pci buses 1:5:0 and 1:5:1) where there is only one graphic card. Running glxgears after the first installation was giving me 2600fps and now after the second installation it gives 1900fps. Besides running glxgears now causes lines of lights flashing on my monitor and make the OS very unstable. I just removed the lines related to the second graphic card in etc/x11/xconfig-4 file and the xwindows is still working. So the problem might be related to this bad detection of the graphic card! My hardwares are as follows: motherboard: Asus A7M266-D CPU: MP2000 dual processor sound card: sound blaster live! (dolby 5.1) graphic card: ATI 9000pro scsi adapter: Adatec 29160 U160 three scsi hard disks from fujitsu and seagate 15k and 10k rpms. minolta scan elite scsi scanner Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
On Fri, 2003-12-19 at 19:54, Ramin M wrote: Hi, I am new to the list and mandrake. More than a year ago, i tried with mandrake 9.0 for a short time and decided that i prefered suse. Recently i decided to try mandrake once again. I became a silver member of mandrake club and downlowd the powerpack 3 CD version and installed it. The installation seemed very smooth much better than 9.0 where erased the entire partion table on my machine several times. THe only wrong thing with installtion was that on default the users are not given write permision to the home directory! So i have to first log in as root how long does it take to freeze? and is it dual booted with M$? i have no lockup problems at all ever... -- jason pearl [EMAIL PROTECTED] ++ Keep your friends close and your enemies closer-Tupac ++ Kurrupted Visionz Phx, AZregistered linux user #307811 MDK 9.2 Linux http://counter.li.org AMD64 Opteron 1.6 ASUS SK8N signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] mandrake 9.2 freezes so often
On Friday 19 December 2003 06:54 pm, Ramin M wrote: Hi, I am new to the list and mandrake. More than a year ago, i tried with mandrake 9.0 for a short time and decided that i prefered suse. Recently i decided to try mandrake once again. I became a silver member of mandrake club and downlowd the powerpack 3 CD version and installed it. The installation seemed very smooth much better than 9.0 where erased the entire partion table on my machine several times. THe only wrong thing with installtion was that on default the users are not given write permision to the home directory! So i have to first log in as root and change the write permission. Have any other users out there noticed that the /home/username directory isn't user writable after installation? I haven't seen that one before (and I installed 9.2 on a friends laptop last week). The sound is by default mute. I have to change the sound to advanced linux sound system to have it work and unmute the sounds! Yeah, people have been complaining about this for over a year. . Right now my main problem is that it freezes so often. It freezes when i am just in konqueror or mozilla serfing the web! The whole OS freezes. No mouse, or keyboard functioning! Even ctrl+alt+F1 to switch to run level one does not work. It freezed also once after i ran a command in the terminal to add a ftp address to the list of download mirror sites. If somebody can tell me where to look for the source of problem and what i can do in this regard, i would be very grateful. Please tell me if you are experiencing similar problems or not and if so, what you have done to remedy the situation. This sounds very much like a hardware problem. My first guess, from the symptom, is that it is an issue with the video card/driver combination. Tell us about your hardware. I'm still using 9.1, because it works flawlessly on numerous desktop and laptop systems where I've installed it (although I had to do some tweaking on a couple of them because of hardware issues), and I just can't see a reason to upgrade--yet. e. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
