Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On 17 Jan 2003 14:40:33 +1100 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe, if non-profit is the way to go - why not create a religion around all of this - really! If L.Ron Hubbard can write a newspaper column describing just how to create a religion, then turn around and actually DO it, why can't we? Ya! And since Joh..er, Vinny Barbarino is already Hubbard's poster boy... we'll get Horseshack as ours! :-) Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Sunday 19 January 2003 02:33 pm, Miark wrote: On 17 Jan 2003 14:40:33 +1100 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe, if non-profit is the way to go - why not create a religion around all of this - really! If L.Ron Hubbard can write a newspaper column describing just how to create a religion, then turn around and actually DO it, why can't we? Ya! And since Joh..er, Vinny Barbarino is already Hubbard's poster boy... we'll get Horseshack as ours! :-) Miark Isn't that who Will Wheaton plays for Mandrake? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
Will Wheaton played Wesley Crusher on Star Trek, The Next Generetion. I'm can't remember who played Horseshack. Welcome Back Kotter aired loong before ST:TNG. Miark On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:40:51 -0500 et [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 19 January 2003 02:33 pm, Miark wrote: On 17 Jan 2003 14:40:33 +1100 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe, if non-profit is the way to go - why not create a religion around all of this - really! If L.Ron Hubbard can write a newspaper column describing just how to create a religion, then turn around and actually DO it, why can't we? Ya! And since Joh..er, Vinny Barbarino is already Hubbard's poster boy... we'll get Horseshack as ours! :-) Miark Isn't that who Will Wheaton plays for Mandrake? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
yep, but WW is a Mandrake user On Sunday 19 January 2003 03:55 pm, Miark wrote: Will Wheaton played Wesley Crusher on Star Trek, The Next Generetion. I'm can't remember who played Horseshack. Welcome Back Kotter aired loong before ST:TNG. Miark On Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:40:51 -0500 et [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 19 January 2003 02:33 pm, Miark wrote: On 17 Jan 2003 14:40:33 +1100 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe, if non-profit is the way to go - why not create a religion around all of this - really! If L.Ron Hubbard can write a newspaper column describing just how to create a religion, then turn around and actually DO it, why can't we? Ya! And since Joh..er, Vinny Barbarino is already Hubbard's poster boy... we'll get Horseshack as ours! :-) Miark Isn't that who Will Wheaton plays for Mandrake? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
et wrote: yep, but WW is a Mandrake user Hence all those OT Star Trek posts, perhaps. I hated Wesley Crusher (stupid name, stupid person) but started to like Will Wheaton after reading his blog. Sir Robin -- Difficulty is a coin which the learned conjure with so as not to reveal the vanity of their studies. - Montaigne Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 06:33, Miark wrote: On 17 Jan 2003 14:40:33 +1100 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe, if non-profit is the way to go - why not create a religion around all of this - really! If L.Ron Hubbard can write a newspaper column describing just how to create a religion, then turn around and actually DO it, why can't we? Ya! And since Joh..er, Vinny Barbarino is already Hubbard's poster boy... we'll get Horseshack as ours! :-) Miark Dang...and I was thinking more along the lines of the actor that played Harold from Harold and Maude - dang... -- Mon Jan 20 17:35:00 EST 2003 5:35pm up 4 days, 3:18, 6 users, load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.08 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Anything that is good and useful is made of chocolate. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 06:40, et wrote: On Sunday 19 January 2003 02:33 pm, Miark wrote: On 17 Jan 2003 14:40:33 +1100 Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe, if non-profit is the way to go - why not create a religion around all of this - really! If L.Ron Hubbard can write a newspaper column describing just how to create a religion, then turn around and actually DO it, why can't we? Ya! And since Joh..er, Vinny Barbarino is already Hubbard's poster boy... we'll get Horseshack as ours! :-) Miark Isn't that who Will Wheaton plays for Mandrake? (Good one mate!) -- Mon Jan 20 17:35:00 EST 2003 5:35pm up 4 days, 3:18, 6 users, load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.08 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Anything that is good and useful is made of chocolate. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Thursday 16 January 2003 20:02, you wrote: Mandrakesoft is GPL with everything it does except on the commercial software disks and the club downloads. Thats what I thought. If you folk have checked other distros lately, ... ...Forget it. Yess And, yes, if I did something to continue the effort the Mandrake folks started, I would find some help and create a non-profit scientific, educational, and charitable purposes tax exempt corporation and seek private foundation funding for the preservation of essential freedoms. But let's be a little more optimistic for now. MandrakeClub has 20,000 members and people are investing to preserve the effort. Just continue what is done. But the problem is, if the need for action arises, speed is required. Starting thinking about contingency plans then is by far too late. Some months break in development is bad but not fatal; but things like maillists cannot disappear. Not for a day. Otherwise community starts falling apart. So we can hope the best for Mandrakesoft business and help them as we can but community must have a backup plan. Wahur Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
Vahur Lokk wrote: On Thursday 16 January 2003 20:02, you wrote: Mandrakesoft is GPL with everything it does except on the commercial software disks and the club downloads. Thats what I thought. If you folk have checked other distros lately, ... ...Forget it. Yess And, yes, if I did something to continue the effort the Mandrake folks started, I would find some help and create a non-profit scientific, educational, and charitable purposes tax exempt corporation and seek private foundation funding for the preservation of essential freedoms. But let's be a little more optimistic for now. MandrakeClub has 20,000 members and people are investing to preserve the effort. Just continue what is done. But the problem is, if the need for action arises, speed is required. Starting thinking about contingency plans then is by far too late. Some months break in development is bad but not fatal; but things like maillists cannot disappear. Not for a day. Otherwise community starts falling apart. So we can hope the best for Mandrakesoft business and help them as we can but community must have a backup plan. Wahur Exactly !! John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003 07:02, civileme wrote: snip Mandrakesoft is GPL with everything it does except on the commercial software disks and the club downloads. Yes, and these people who are saying otherwise, notably only since recent discussions at various websites concerning MandrakeSoft's financial problem, is rather annoying. If you folk have checked other distros lately, I think you will find that few if any are as mature as this one in as many areas. Tried RH 7.3 and was not at all impressed. Dual booting lasted all of 3 weeks. I might think of making my own distro using Mandrake as a base if this one goes bust, but switching to any of the others? Forget it. I am here cause this one was friendly at a personal, technical, and corporate level, and the others were decidedly unfriendly at one or more of those levels. Agreed where RH 7.3 is concerned! If you have ever asked a question on a RH flame errr... help list, you know very well what I mean. Sure do... no welcome mat at that door. The users there kinda remind me of the dogs I had... very territorial and always scrapping with each other. S.u.S.E. is so far from GPL that I would never consider them, though they seem evil enough to be propped up by IBM and Intel to the tune of more than $45 million (Mandrake needs less than a tenth of that). And, yes, if I did something to continue the effort the Mandrake folks started, I would find some help and create a non-profit scientific, educational, and charitable purposes tax exempt corporation and seek private foundation funding for the preservation of essential freedoms. Cool! Three cheers for Civileme! I'd be an avid follower for one and I bet plenty of others would too. But I sincerely hope it never comes to that. But let's be a little more optimistic for now. MandrakeClub has 20,000 members and people are investing to preserve the effort. Just continue what is done. Yep, keep the support up folks! I agree with someone on this list when referring to the Chapter 11 thing, who said DON'T hold back your support until things come right: it helps to prove to the court that the business is still viable. MandrakeSoft need our support NOW! Civileme And BTW, its nice to see you're still around Civileme. Cheers Sharrea -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
If you folk have checked other distros lately, I think you will find that few if any are as mature as this one in as many areas. I might think of making my own distro using Mandrake as a base if this one goes bust, but switching to any of the others? Forget it. I am here cause this one was friendly at a personal, technical, and corporate level, and the others were decidedly unfriendly at one or more of those levels. If you have ever asked a question on a RH flame errr... help list, you know very well what I mean. S.u.S.E. is so far from GPL that I would never consider them, though they seem evil enough to be propped up by IBM and Intel to the tune of more than $45 million (Mandrake needs less than a tenth of that). This is an important context to put the article I wrote in. If I thought their was a better alternative to move to I would have just moved. But the fact is the alternatives are either: a) Technically insufficent. b) Have closed development processes. c) Laking a good community. d) Simply a pain to install and use. This is a summary, I won't mention names or point fingers to avoid turning this into xyz distro suxxors. -- Ben Reser [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ben.reser.org America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion only of her own. -- John Quincy Adams, July 4th, 1821 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Thursday 16 January 2003 07:36 am, et wrote: Dean, I think you might also give some consideration to the (dozens) of other distros out there too,,, and since you quoted my post, I wonder where I said anything in this post about linux and/or GNU/linux, and since you bring that up, I have been damn sure for some time the download isos from Mandrake are 100% GPL. perhaps if you are aware of some parts that are not GPL/GNU you could post the info... I sure don't want to be giving away something that ain't mine to give, and I regularly give the downloadable CDs to friends that might want to learn something. Currently you are giving no credit to On Thursday 16 January 2003 10:17 am, yankee doodle wrote: If Mandrake goes bust its likely, someone will GPL what is closed by Mandrake currently (a few bits and pieces), no doubt everyone would switch to SuSE and Redhat, and possibly Debian. When you refer to Linux could you please say GNU/Linux, so people know you are talking about the system and not just the Kernel, after all linux is just the kernel... Currently you are giving no credit to these hardworking people. --- Cheers, Dean. From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] non-profit?? Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:55:16 -0500 As I understand it, in some states at least, just not making a profit is not enough to quailfiy as a non-profit. this is generally to prevent companies from being able to claim non-profit and still be competing with companies that are required to make a profit ( some might even claim unfairly). Not only that, most states tax companies profits, and therefore have an interest in seeing that either a company profit (and thusly pay taxes) or disappears. so unless there would be some redeming quality for the greater community a non-profit producing a computer Operating System for sale at retail outlets, might not be a real choice. I would also ask if someone on newbie with a 24/7 connection and a mail server might be willing to start a backup newbie mail listserver, on the off chance that oneday we wake up and find this one gone to the way of the courts. Does anyone know who pays for thisones bandwidth/location and power? Since I ass-u-me it is MandrakeSoft Inc., it is possible that one day a judge says, turn it off and their may not be much or any notice. (any more than we have already had). I would hate to loose all the good folks I have had the pleasure to communicate with here. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Arrrggghhh!!! A not-for-profit corporation may or may not be tax exempt. The Boy Scouts for example, are NOT tax-exempt. Contributions to the Boy Scouts are not deductible from your taxable income. The essence of non-profit is that proceeds are NOT distributable to members, officers, directors of the corporation. If you want exemption for taxes then charitable, educational, or scientific purposes and qualification under various countries's revenue codes will be necessary. A non-profit may have employees and even pay them well, and it may well make a profit and invest that into related or unrelated purposes, but it may not distribute such to members, officers or directors. In some cases taxes may be due in addition to the usual burdens of an employer. A non-profit doesn't issue stock or have investors, normally. Mandrakesoft is GPL with everything it does except on the commercial software disks and the club downloads. But as with any GNU/Linux distro, if you make copies for distribution, you had best include the license agreement and make the source code accessible (you do not have to include the source with the distro, just point to a publicly accessible copy). The mandrakesoft documentation is covered by a separate license which it is advisable to read. If you folk have checked other distros lately, I think you will find that few if any are as mature as this one in as many areas. I might think of making my own distro using Mandrake as a base if this one goes bust, but switching to any of the others? Forget it. I am here cause this one was friendly at a personal, technical, and corporate level, and the others were decidedly unfriendly at one or more of those levels. If you have ever asked a question on a RH flame errr... help list, you know very well what I mean. S.u.S.E. is so far from GPL that I would never consider them, though they seem evil enough to be propped up by IBM and Intel to the tune of more than $45 million (Mandrake needs less than a tenth of that). And, yes, if I did something to continue the effort the Mandrake folks started, I would find some help and create a non-profit scientific, educational,
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Thursday 16 January 2003 09:55 am, et wrote: I would also ask if someone on newbie with a 24/7 connection and a mail server might be willing to start a backup newbie mail listserver, on the off chance that oneday we wake up and find this one gone to the way of the courts. Does anyone know who pays for thisones bandwidth/location and power? Since I ass-u-me it is MandrakeSoft Inc., it is possible that one day a judge says, turn it off and their may not be much or any notice. (any more than we have already had). I would hate to loose all the good folks I have had the pleasure to communicate with here. Well, I have an always on connection. Plenty of drive space, And no idea how to set up a mail server. But if comes to that, provided attbi doesn't get pissy about it, I'd have to check with them first. And your willing to teach me, and help me. Then sure why not. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:02:19 -0900 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arrrggghhh!!! A not-for-profit corporation may or may not be tax exempt. The Boy Scouts for example, are NOT tax-exempt. Contributions to the Boy Scouts are not deductible from your taxable income. The essence of non-profit is that proceeds are NOT distributable to members, officers, directors of the corporation. If you want exemption for taxes then charitable, educational, snip Not to comment on the rest of your excellent post, but in the U.S., at least, the Boy Scouts are a tax exempt charity. Contributions to the Scouts (not a particular troop, but the council itself) are deductible from taxes and many scout councils are also funded by the local United Way. As for being tax exempt (i.e. when they purchase goods and supplies), most state laws require the purchase to be made/paid for with a check from the organization itself. If the organization reimburses an individual for the purchase, the individual actually is making the purchase and taxes are charged. If the individual makes the purchase but uses a check from the scout office or troop, then it is a tax exempt sale. Anyway, since this list has wide distribution, I just wanted to clarify that in the U.S., at least, the Boy Scouts as a non-profit and tax-exempt organization (Girl Scouts are, too). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] non-profit??
Maybe, if non-profit is the way to go - why not create a religion around all of this - really! If L.Ron Hubbard can write a newspaper column describing just how to create a religion, then turn around and actually DO it, why can't we? (I can see it now - instead of doing the Catholic Father, Son, Holy Ghost, you'll see Kernel, Source and Holy Desktop) -- Fri Jan 17 14:35:01 EST 2003 2:35pm up 1 day, 18 min, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.11, 0.15 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- If it wasn't for Newton, we wouldn't have to eat bruised apples. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
