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Hey Larry, Sorry this reply has taken so long. I was away in Frisco for the past five days No problem, hope you enjoyed the trip. Nope. I don't use windows enough anymore to bother., but I don't think the average user would know how to either or probably have a recent backup. I'll grant you that, but in my opinion he'd be lost in Linux. lol ... maybe they should try an imac ;-) LOL yes ! ;-) reget is your friend. I've downloaded several distros on a 28.8 in the recent past. I guess you don't have to pay for local phone calls (to your ISP). Hell no. I consider it a therapeutic way for me to stick it to the phone company. ??? Sorry, I guess I am a bit unexperienced at English sarcasm, so please tell me in a way someone like me can understand ;-) I think a large part of the broken game problem has more to do with people not having a new version of their distro or they have a distro that really just doesn't cater to gaming. Might be, but who wants to have different distros for servers (Debian), desktop work (RedHat, MDK, Corel) and gaming (probably MDK and I don't know more) ? Grip can rip, cddb, and then encode for free. I always encode my personal cd's at 320 in the belief that quality is most important. Some of my friends complain about it, but hard drives are expected to be about $100 for 100gb next summer, and I also have a cd-r, so why not go for the best sound. Erm, if quality is most important, then why do you make MP3s and don't just let it be raw wav or something ? Apart from that - I lacked a file manager at least equal or superior to Windows Commander. Is there anything under Linux that can offer me WC's power and effectivity ? I've never seen WC so I really couldn't say. Is it part of windows or a commerical program? It is shareware. www.ghisler.com I'll take a look when I get a chance. Right now I have about 999 more emails to get done. Take a look. It's worth it. After you try it, you won't understand how someone can work with Explorer or My Computer. See, probably the major cause why I discontinued using Linux was that I haven't found anything like WC. I have WC to run on startup and I do everything from there - launch apps, browse my disk, copy, move, create dirs, there even is a command line so you don't have to run any terminal windows, it has built-in compression and decompression, FTP client, file compare... well I haven't seen anything better so far concerning all-in-one and having to run another util for everything I need to do in Linux is uncomfortable for me. Even if it only would mean to press alt-F2 or open the console - in WC I don't have to do that, I just type the command. There is quite a bit to address in those last two paragraphs, but I want to just make two points. First, comparing the dos cli to bash is like comparing doom to quake3 no contest. However, that isn't the main point I want to make. People tend to have preferences based on many reasons and sometimes it is because we are not aware of what the other side is capable of doing. I know I've done this on many an occasion. Yo man, right, but try WC and see for yourself. After a week you will not want to work in anything else in Win. With respect to WC, I think that you'll find KFM can do much of what you have listed. For instance, kfm is capable of the following: launching apps Well every file manager should be able to do that... however WC also has a "button bar" - you can place icons of your fav. progs in the top part of the window and launch them from there. browsing disks ... hd, fd, cd Yep, but HOW... To access my regular drive I have to go up (home), up (/), mnt, dos_hda5 to get to my stuff. I know I could do it somehow with ln, but in WC you have a dir hotlist, you just press ctrl-d and choose one of your fav. dirs to go to, and you're there. Of course I could cd or something, but this is just so easy. copy/move/create both files and directories With F5/F6/shift-F4 or F7 ? ftp web browser image viewer w/ thumb nails Actually, my main point is that KFM looks and behaves like windows Explorer, but I am used to something similarly pretty, but much more effective - WC. This leaves the following three items which either don't exist in kfm, need more clarification, or I don't know how to do it with kfm. commpression/decompression -- not sure what you mean by this one. Possibly a winzip like front end, proprietary compression algorithm, or hd compression supported by the os. By compression I meant that it uses the free zip source from the Info-ZIP group to create .zip files. You just select the files you want to compress, press alt-F5, name your archive and press enter. It also has an internal unarj and uses external archivers for other file types (ACE, UC2, RAR, etc.) BTW: WC also handles tar.gz archives ;-) file compare -- again, not sure if you mean a something like a md5 check
Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT
Hey Larry, Since this mail was probably directed mostly to me, I'll try to reply to it. I can hardly believe this thread. There is no way in hell that any os company (even ms) can have enough time and resources to write drivers for all the hardware out there. I repeat ... not even MS. As Jon Robertson said (and I agree), it is not the OS companies' job to make the drivers. It's the hardware poducers job. Off the top of my head, x86 Linux has better hardware support then any other os except ms win95/98. See, and this is one of the reasons why it is more used than Linux or W2K or NT or Be or any other OS. what about ce? I guess CE doesn't need to, the same way as it doesn't need to run a web server. Third, if you can't wrap your mind around the idea of partitions and mount points then there just isn't much hope for you. In my initial mail I said it was at the point of installing Linux. At that idea I had no idea what they were and there was no help in the install program that would tell me or at least give me a hint. Ever upgraded or reinstalled a MS system (seems like I can't go more then 3 months)? Yes, I did once on my old computer, from W95 to W98. That was about two years ago and it still works fine. On the other hand, I must admit that on my new computer I had to reinstall windows twice already because of flashing new BIOSes three times, changing IRQs of BIOS devices and my graphics card. It should work now, though. At least I don't have to reboot after using it. It seems to me that the biggest complaint about windows is rebooting (apart from BSoD). IMNSHO this is because of misconfiguration of the system. Old drivers, bad settings, small swap file, etc. If you would take the time to learn windows the same way you are learning Linux I think then you would have windows stable, without BSoDs and reboots. This is not a personal attack, just my opinion acording to what I have read on this list. It took me some time to get windows running smoothly, but now it does. I guess it would be the same with Linux, but so far I haven't seen a compelling reason to change to Linux. I have it on my system in dualboot, but as you guys say, "Don't change a winning team.", which has been windows so far for me. more rantYou can't keep your applications on another partition, reinstall the os, and expect them to work with that freakin' Satanic registry./morerant Have you tried to export their registry keys ? Fourth, a bit closer to the original posting. Granted, a V5 What is a V5 ? isn't going to be the easiest thing to get working at this point, but in two or three months every distro will have X4.0 with fairly modern 3d drivers ... That means downloading 650 megs again. (I am currently downloading MDK 7.1) sarcasmYou mean there are problems with some games in Linux ... oh dear, I can't ever seem to recall any articles in either PC Gamer or MaximumPC bitching about broken games and patches for windows. Although I haven't said much about games, but as you say, "patches for windows". At least there are patches for windows. I wonder how I can get Aliens vs. Predator or StarCraft runing under Linux. WinE ? Fact: there games are just as broken as ours. OK, but I rather take broken games with the hope that I can have some patch soon than no (OK, few) games without much support for Linux. Does the win98 install give you either an easy install Easy install - I would say yes. What have you found difficult about it ? or much choice? Don't think so. Can Win98 install over a network? Nope. FTP? You are right, it doesn't. It wasn't designed for that, it was designed for the home/office desktop user, not for really heavy duty network jobs. Ever had a win98 system setup with 5 or 6 comilers/languages; all the internet tools you can use; graphics programs; multimedia players; mp3 rippers/encoders in under a hour? Compilers/langs - you are right, it doesn't and they are very expensive, too. Other things - internet tools - I don't know, since I don't have inet at home so I haven't tried them. Graphics programs - what other programs are there for image manipulation apart from GIMP ? Not saying that there are any for windows (the omnipotent mspaint not included), but you said "programs", not "program". Multimedia players - the reason why I like WinAMP more than XMMS is that plugin writers support it more than XMMS. That means that my favorite plugin (Geiss, www.geisswerks.com) runs with WinAMP and not with XMMS. Is there a way to make it run under Linux ? Is there any area in which XMMS (or any other MP3 player) is superior to WinAMP ? Cos I don't see any sense in using it if I already have such a thing (WinAMP) which I like more. MP3 rippers/encoders - haven't seen or used them (under Linux). Apart from that - I lacked a file manager at least equal or superior to Windows Commander. Is there anything under Linux that can offer me WC's power and effectivity ? A week?
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Hey Eric, Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. Crazy, totally crazy ! I don't want tires used by 80% of the manufactors of cars. I want GOOD tires. My live depend of them. And if they are FREE, I want them certainly. And I don't waithing to change them in time, because they are FREE + GOOD you know ? Eric MC There are free and good tires for both cars. With the windows car you have a wider range of tires to choose, however. I found good and free tires for windows and currently it is unnecessary for me to get a new (even if free) car and look for all the parts again because they're incompatible. (Only my opinion, as always.) Roman
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Did my 'if microsoft made cars' message reach the list? - Original Message - From: Roman Korcek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Eric MC.D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 1:30 PM Subject: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT Hey Eric, Well if 80% of the cars support it then I guess I will choose the car which supports the biggest variety of tires. Crazy, totally crazy ! I don't want tires used by 80% of the manufactors of cars. I want GOOD tires. My live depend of them. And if they are FREE, I want them certainly. And I don't waithing to change them in time, because they are FREE + GOOD you know ? Eric MC There are free and good tires for both cars. With the windows car you have a wider range of tires to choose, however. I found good and free tires for windows and currently it is unnecessary for me to get a new (even if free) car and look for all the parts again because they're incompatible. (Only my opinion, as always.) Roman
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT
This was in response to Roman, not your message; surprise though, I do have another response! g --- Actually --- my point is that Linux users need to pick the right hardware. Don't purchase a winmodem and then expect it to work under Linux. Why not? It's intel platform and if one OS can do it, then so can another ;-) --- My second point was that by choosing the right hardware, the installation is very easy. I don't use a cd/rw for an office machine. A typical office machine is used by someone who sets appointments, sends email, prints documents. The people in these types of jobs don't typically burn a cd. My example was that an office Linux box is very fast to install. It really is very fast. And I grant to everyone - that if a cd/rw was put in to the box -- or I was expected to put games on the machine - I'd choose different video, different amounts of RAM - and I wouldn't say that configuring Linux is fast. I have my computer(s) here at home set up with multiple OS's and they're all capable of handling whatever task I put to them. --- Next, when I go to the store, I never expect any new hardware that I purchase to work with the equipment that I already have ... upgrading hardware rarely works. snip What?!? Do you replace your computer everytime you buy a new piece of hardware??? I don't have that kind of money. Wouldn't you really like to look at the code behind Windows? -- and then be able to tell your neighbor. :-) Not especially, Windows is Windows, Linux is Linux - I like them both for what they do. Mike
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Tracy Holt Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 6:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. This doesn't seem ok, having to choose my hardware according to what OS I want to use. You are absolutely correct. I wish I could run Win98 on my Amiga. For that matter, it would be really neat if I could run Win2000 on my Mac. :) Disclaimer: I'm far from a *nix expert. I've only been using Linux on a regular basis for a couple of months. I actually like Windoze. I've been a computer geek for 19 years playing with various hardware during that time. So I found your comment quite humorous. No OS is going to work on every piece of hardware. It just isn't going to happen. In order to get the most stable system you want, you need to match your hardware to your OS. All the big boys do it. That is why Dell/Gateway/whoever won't support a workstation that was sold with Win98 but now has Win2000. We deal with this constantly at work... I also wonder if there is any other OS that supports as many different architectures as Linux (x86 - PCs, 68k - Mac / Amiga, PPC - Mac / whoknows, and countless others). Just my $.02... Jon I don't think that's quite what he meant Jon, and it's those sort of answers that keep the divide so wide between different OS users. Picking hardware is different than picking an entire platform; when I go to the computer store to buy a cd/rw, I bring it home - plug it in - load the software (under windows) and I'm up burning cd's within the hour. --- Actually --- my point is that Linux users need to pick the right hardware. Don't purchase a winmodem and then expect it to work under Linux. And that statement can really be OS independent -- You wouldn't want to buy a video card, only to discover that it doesn't work with your motherboard (e.g. a Voodoo 3 3000 will not work with certain versions of the Tyan Tiger 133 -- so it's best to not try it). --- My second point was that by choosing the right hardware, the installation is very easy. I don't use a cd/rw for an office machine. A typical office machine is used by someone who sets appointments, sends email, prints documents. The people in these types of jobs don't typically burn a cd. My example was that an office Linux box is very fast to install. It really is very fast. And I grant to everyone - that if a cd/rw was put in to the box -- or I was expected to put games on the machine - I'd choose different video, different amounts of RAM - and I wouldn't say that configuring Linux is fast. --- Next, when I go to the store, I never expect any new hardware that I purchase to work with the equipment that I already have ... upgrading hardware rarely works. Something else gets stressed, something breaks, something that worked will not work with the new part ... etc. Maybe I just have bad luck or maybe it's just an expectation that others have that I don't have ... that's why I try to choose all the hardware together at the same time. snip Let's stop the quibbling, the truth is obvious - people love to hate Bill. Let's just realize where we're at and then we can be clear about where we want to go. --- Finally, as a Linux advocate, I don't hate Bill. I would never hit him with a pie and I certainly didn't like it (nor did I laugh) when he was hit with a pie. The man was visibly shaken after that episode - and quite frankly cruelty isn't my specialty. But as a Linux advocate, I do like the thought of being able to make changes to code if I desire. I also happen to agree with Mr. Stallman (founder of GNU) that NDA agreements are difficult to sign - let alone tolerate - because if something is really exciting - it's a great temptation to share it. Wouldn't you really like to look at the code behind Windows? -- and then be able to tell your neighbor. :-)
RE: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT
Title: RE: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. This doesn't seem ok, having to choose my hardware according to what OS I want to use. You are absolutely correct. I wish I could run Win98 on my Amiga. For that matter, it would be really neat if I could run Win2000 on my Mac. :) Disclaimer: I'm far from a *nix expert. I've only been using Linux on a regular basis for a couple of months. I actually like Windoze. I've been a computer geek for 19 years playing with various hardware during that time. So I found your comment quite humorous. No OS is going to work on every piece of hardware. It just isn't going to happen. In order to get the most stable system you want, you need to match your hardware to your OS. All the big boys do it. That is why Dell/Gateway/whoever won't support a workstation that was sold with Win98 but now has Win2000. We deal with this constantly at work... I also wonder if there is any other OS that supports as many different architectures as Linux (x86 - PCs, 68k - Mac / Amiga, PPC - Mac / whoknows, and countless others). Just my $.02... Jon
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] OT Linux gaming OT
But - seriously - with the right parts Linux is very easy to install. This doesn't seem ok, having to choose my hardware according to what OS I want to use. You are absolutely correct. I wish I could run Win98 on my Amiga. For that matter, it would be really neat if I could run Win2000 on my Mac. :) Disclaimer: I'm far from a *nix expert. I've only been using Linux on a regular basis for a couple of months. I actually like Windoze. I've been a computer geek for 19 years playing with various hardware during that time. So I found your comment quite humorous. No OS is going to work on every piece of hardware. It just isn't going to happen. In order to get the most stable system you want, you need to match your hardware to your OS. All the big boys do it. That is why Dell/Gateway/whoever won't support a workstation that was sold with Win98 but now has Win2000. We deal with this constantly at work... I also wonder if there is any other OS that supports as many different architectures as Linux (x86 - PCs, 68k - Mac / Amiga, PPC - Mac / whoknows, and countless others). Just my $.02... Jon I don't think that's quite what he meant Jon, and it's those sort of answers that keep the divide so wide between different OS users. Picking hardware is different than picking an entire platform; when I go to the computer store to buy a cd/rw, I bring it home - plug it in - load the software (under windows) and I'm up burning cd's within the hour. Under Linux, it's going to require a kernel recompile (if you didn't previously have a burner attached) to start with; a task that's not really for the beginner! I've compiled my kernel a number of times, and while I'm getting better at it, I'm still no expert. I understand that quite a number of people that use linux now were once (if not still) windows users, and are possibly still mad at Bill; that's what we're really talking about here. Is Windows really horrible at everything? Is Linux REALLY better with the average desktop app? Come on, be honest! I use all those same apps, you're not kidding anybody! I'm studying for my MCSE, but I really want to work with Linux and Unix - I also want to play with Mac - I LOVE COMPUTERS!!! Let's stop the quibbling, the truth is obvious - people love to hate Bill. Let's just realize where we're at and then we can be clear about where we want to go. Mike (just my $.02...) == Mike Tracy Holt Kirkland, WA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==
