[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking
Good question indeed. I use a combination, out of a matter of habit, mostly because my '95, with it's rear drum/front disc setup is the newest bike I've ever owned. Back in the day of all drums, bike and car, downshifting with steady front/rear brake application was the only way to haul it down in a straight line in a hurry. So downshift-and-use-both-brakes-with- synchonized-pressure was praticed until it was ingrained and became as natural as breathing. What's more important to my way of thinking, is allowing enough following distance to avoid a heavy-braking situation to start with. The classic defensive driving technique -- the what if? game of anticipating hazards long before they materialize -- will save your butt more often than state-of-the-art brakes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking
I am convinced that I am still alive because I have asked the what if? question a lot. I wise good friend of mine always told me there are two types of driving philosophies on the road: you can either drive aggressively or defensively. The former get you there quickly, the later get you there. When I drive, I always assume the worse from everyone (it is amazing how many times I'm right). If I have a car on the next lane, I'll assume he/she will change lanes without even looking. If I have a car in front, I'll assume it will stop suddenly because a squirrel is crossing the street. Again, it is amazing how many times you can get it right. Javier. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:12 AM, surfswab surfs...@gmail.com wrote: Good question indeed. I use a combination, out of a matter of habit, mostly because my '95, with it's rear drum/front disc setup is the newest bike I've ever owned. Back in the day of all drums, bike and car, downshifting with steady front/rear brake application was the only way to haul it down in a straight line in a hurry. So downshift-and-use-both-brakes-with- synchonized-pressure was praticed until it was ingrained and became as natural as breathing. What's more important to my way of thinking, is allowing enough following distance to avoid a heavy-braking situation to start with. The classic defensive driving technique -- the what if? game of anticipating hazards long before they materialize -- will save your butt more often than state-of-the-art brakes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking
It is a matter of defensive driving, anticipation being a part thereof. One night, when I had first begun to ride again with my 250, this intersection I was approaching was busier than usual. As I was approaching, a driver ran a stop sign at the intersection. The road I was on, had a railroad track, and a blind curve just the other side of the intersection where this driver ran the stop sign. I hit both brakes and downshifted, just like you, surfswab, and I could see that that still that wasn't enough, so I went as far over left from center of the road as I dared, not being able to see if someone was coming from the opposite direction, in case I needed to swerve back to my lane and safety quickly. I watched my front tire touch the rear bumper of the car, and expected to go down, but the impact was so light I only felt a slight tug, and came nowhere near swerving, even. Talak about relieved?? I turned around and the driver had parked where a gas station used to be. Out comes this absolutely stunning, petite woman, and said, in a rather haughty and threatening voice, I hope you didn't damage my car. I was so enraged at her flippant attitude I said, or rather roared, as I took off my helmet, B--ch, you had a stop sign!!! Oh, no, I didn't, came the reply. What d'you think the other side of that octagonal shaped metal, on the metal rod over there is where you just came from??? I continued roaring. She said not another word, but got back in her SUV and made a phone call. I took her information off the rear of the car and left. I think she was scared... Had I not known about the technique you describe, from my years of driving, I would have wound up in the hospital that night and that would have been the end of my riding... Stanley From: Javier Garcia jajgar...@gmail.com To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 5:52:28 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking I am convinced that I am still alive because I have asked the what if? question a lot. I wise good friend of mine always told me there are two types of driving philosophies on the road: you can either drive aggressively or defensively. The former get you there quickly, the later get you there. When I drive, I always assume the worse from everyone (it is amazing how many times I'm right). If I have a car on the next lane, I'll assume he/she will change lanes without even looking. If I have a car in front, I'll assume it will stop suddenly because a squirrel is crossing the street. Again, it is amazing how many times you can get it right. Javier. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:12 AM, surfswab surfs...@gmail.com wrote: Good question indeed. I use a combination, out of a matter of habit, mostly because my '95, with it's rear drum/front disc setup is the newest bike I've ever owned. Back in the day of all drums, bike and car, downshifting with steady front/rear brake application was the only way to haul it down in a straight line in a hurry. So downshift-and-use-both-brakes-with- synchonized-pressure was praticed until it was ingrained and became as natural as breathing. What's more important to my way of thinking, is allowing enough following distance to avoid a heavy-braking situation to start with. The classic defensive driving technique -- the what if? game of anticipating hazards long before they materialize -- will save your butt more often than state-of-the-art brakes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking
I read the below after writing my experience in the previous post... Yes, road conditions have to be right to use the combination as I did. I could hear the rear wheel squealing, because I was mashing down hard on the front, using more engine on the back than brake pedal. Had the road been wet, I would have been going slower (was going about 35 mph, the limit), and would have approached the intersection more slowly, but who can say if that would have been enough, had the same thing happened? I believe that part of riding is learning to anticipate dynamically. I started out with bicycles and first rode a step-thru 50 in Phoenix traffic, then my 160 in Seattle traffic, which was worse. I like to keep plenty of space between me and other machines on the road. Stanley From: Dennis McCarten djmccar...@gmail.com To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 9:42:03 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking Dennis, That was a great comment! Thanks. Having laid a bike down when the rear wheel locked in first gear, I can attest to the value of experience. When it happens, it's something you'll only do once. Thanks again. Dennis On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Dennis Hammerl blues...@yahoo.com wrote: It's a very good question. The best answer to which would be to direct you to a training facility. I prefer to give the answer that there is no hard, fast rule. There is no substitute for experience. The surface must figure into any scenario. Wet, dry, gravel, leaves Straight line or cornering ? There is no rule. Better to be educated on proper riding and gather the experience. So many people have really dumb ideas about braking. Let's look at a modern motorcycle; Two big disc brakes in front and maybe one on the back. Still see drum brakes in back of some. What does this tell you ? Yeah, you could really haul it down on the front brakes. However, I have inspected many a Gold Wing with no wear on the front pads and deep grooves cut in the rear rotor. Why ? The owner doesn't use the front brakes ! The owner has deprived himself of about 80% of the bike's capability to stop. Honda recognized this years ago and has employed a system that applies one of the front brakes with any application of the rear one. Pitiful but better than rear only. Me ? I use my back brake to hold my bike at a light. Not much good for anything else. I consider the rear brake to be a stabilizer... That's just me, I use front brakes really hard. Would I do this on a wet street or gravel road ? No. That's when you use a little finis to slow down. Down shifting ? Another can of worms. Dropping down a gear (or two) and letting the clutch out can be a thrill on a wet or loose surface. Can you say swap ends ? Causing the rear wheel to slip / stop suddenly is ... not good. With some skill applied, it becomes another tool in riding survival. Again, no substitute for a lot of seat time. Riding in traffic sometimes doesn't allow enough time for such fancy practices. The name of the game is get it stopped...NOW ! Another story before I let this rest. Few riders know this and most techs don't either (or don't understand it) The VT family of Honda's (V twin 700, 750, 1100 and such) use a familiar seven plate clutch system to drive the bike. However, when letting off (roll off, down shift, etc) a clever device uncouples four of the plate pairs. SO, the clutch actually slips a bit. Better than eating the handle bars or dropping the bike due to rear wheel lock-up. Believe me, without it, it can get violent...quick. SO, if you consider that under hard braking the weight shifts hard to the front wheel, giving it a lot of traction and the rear gets really light... what makes sense to do ? Use lots of front brake and down shift one gear at a time (if time allows) The whole thing is a dynamic and what you do is (should) be based on your immediate need to stop / slow and what the surface is like. Unless your name is Valentino, you never stop learning how to ride. I used to like to watch Carl Fogarty ride at 110%... scary. I'm like the pilot that said any landing you walk away from is a good one. I thank God every day for a good, safe ride. You still have to do your part. --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Dapper Dan dapperd...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dapper Dan dapperd...@gmail.com Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] braking To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:15 PM a quick question i have always been curious about: is it better to use a combination of downshifting and braking to slow your bike or is it better to use just your brakes? pros and cons? thanx dan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking
I like a lot of space too, but I tend to close up quite a bit entering an area with cross streets. My take on car drivers is they don't see a bike. Coming out of a side street, they wait for the car to go past and then pull out not good. When I'm close (not too) I pass by before the dufus pulls out. it takes a bit more concentration to do this but keeps the bad guys from do a Pearl Harbor on me. I didn't see him doesn't help explain why Bob won't be coming home anymore. I was taken out many years ago by a car that turned left across five lanes suddenly. From the oncoming slow lane to contact Another where'd you come from ? That's what he said as I laid under my bike. The real problem was, I was the only thing on my side of the road. He'd have seen a car but no luck there. Before I pass a car, I ask myself if I want that A-hole behind me.. most of the time the answer is no. I'd rather watch him in front of me. It's safer. Couple of weeks back, sitting at a light, truck in front of me, I got bumped (hard) by an old lady in a Buick. That moved me ahead about six feet. I looked back and got an empty stare from her. She hits me again. Now, I'm up against the truck bumper. Soon as the light changed, I passed the truck between him and the curb, on the right. Dumb move but I didn't want to find out what she'd do next. Her hood must look good, she curled my license plate under. Survival above all. --- On Fri, 10/9/09, stanley/ Randolph tinkrm...@yahoo.com wrote: From: stanley/ Randolph tinkrm...@yahoo.com Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 11:10 AM I read the below after writing my experience in the previous post... Yes, road conditions have to be right to use the combination as I did. I could hear the rear wheel squealing, because I was mashing down hard on the front, using more engine on the back than brake pedal. Had the road been wet, I would have been going slower (was going about 35 mph, the limit), and would have approached the intersection more slowly, but who can say if that would have been enough, had the same thing happened? I believe that part of riding is learning to anticipate dynamically. I started out with bicycles and first rode a step-thru 50 in Phoenix traffic, then my 160 in Seattle traffic, which was worse. I like to keep plenty of space between me and other machines on the road. Stanley From: Dennis McCarten djmccar...@gmail.com To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 9:42:03 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking Dennis, That was a great comment! Thanks. Having laid a bike down when the rear wheel locked in first gear, I can attest to the value of experience. When it happens, it's something you'll only do once. Thanks again. Dennis On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:09 AM, Dennis Hammerl blues...@yahoo.com wrote: It's a very good question. The best answer to which would be to direct you to a training facility. I prefer to give the answer that there is no hard, fast rule. There is no substitute for experience. The surface must figure into any scenario. Wet, dry, gravel, leaves Straight line or cornering ? There is no rule. Better to be educated on proper riding and gather the experience. So many people have really dumb ideas about braking. Let's look at a modern motorcycle; Two big disc brakes in front and maybe one on the back. Still see drum brakes in back of some. What does this tell you ? Yeah, you could really haul it down on the front brakes. However, I have inspected many a Gold Wing with no wear on the front pads and deep grooves cut in the rear rotor. Why ? The owner doesn't use the front brakes ! The owner has deprived himself of about 80% of the bike's capability to stop. Honda recognized this years ago and has employed a system that applies one of the front brakes with any application of the rear one. Pitiful but better than rear only. Me ? I use my back brake to hold my bike at a light. Not much good for anything else. I consider the rear brake to be a stabilizer... That's just me, I use front brakes really hard. Would I do this on a wet street or gravel road ? No. That's when you use a little finis to slow down. Down shifting ? Another can of worms. Dropping down a gear (or two) and letting the clutch out can be a thrill on a wet or loose surface. Can you say swap ends ? Causing the rear wheel to slip / stop suddenly is ... not good. With some skill applied, it becomes another tool in riding survival. Again, no substitute for a lot of seat time. Riding in traffic sometimes doesn't allow enough time for such fancy practices. The name of the game is get it stopped...NOW ! Another story before I let this rest. Few riders know this and most techs don't either (or don't understand it) The VT family of Honda's (V twin 700, 750, 1100 and such) use a familiar seven plate clutch system to drive
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking
On the bike I prefer to use the brakes. Those are easier to change out than driveline parts. I use both front and rear evenly for the most part. In cars I may downshift but that's because the brakes are extremely biased to the front and I use downshifting and the clutch to balance out the braking of the rear wheels. Since the bike has separate front and rear brakes I don't need to downshift to balance the brakes. -Kyle On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Dapper Dan dapperd...@gmail.com wrote: a quick question i have always been curious about: is it better to use a combination of downshifting and braking to slow your bike or is it better to use just your brakes? pros and cons? thanx dan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking
Personally I'm not qualified to give someone riding advice on how to ride. But keep in mind that when you down shift you are only braking with the rear tire. At least 70% of your stopping power comes from the front brakes. Also locking up the rear tire can make you go down just as easilly as locking up the front, with the potential to throw you off the bike in a high side. If you want to read an excelent book on how to ride safely I'd suggest Proficient Motorcycling: The Ultimate Guide to Riding Well by David Hough There are used copies on amazon for $10 http://amzn.com/1889540536He discusses all about braking and traction management, as well as cornering, swerving, edge traps, etc. Its a great read. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: braking
It's a very good question. The best answer to which would be to direct you to a training facility. I prefer to give the answer that there is no hard, fast rule. There is no substitute for experience. The surface must figure into any scenario. Wet, dry, gravel, leaves Straight line or cornering ? There is no rule. Better to be educated on proper riding and gather the experience. So many people have really dumb ideas about braking. Let's look at a modern motorcycle; Two big disc brakes in front and maybe one on the back. Still see drum brakes in back of some. What does this tell you ? Yeah, you could really haul it down on the front brakes. However, I have inspected many a Gold Wing with no wear on the front pads and deep grooves cut in the rear rotor. Why ? The owner doesn't use the front brakes ! The owner has deprived himself of about 80% of the bike's capability to stop. Honda recognized this years ago and has employed a system that applies one of the front brakes with any application of the rear one. Pitiful but better than rear only. Me ? I use my back brake to hold my bike at a light. Not much good for anything else. I consider the rear brake to be a stabilizer... That's just me, I use front brakes really hard. Would I do this on a wet street or gravel road ? No. That's when you use a little finis to slow down. Down shifting ? Another can of worms. Dropping down a gear (or two) and letting the clutch out can be a thrill on a wet or loose surface. Can you say swap ends ? Causing the rear wheel to slip / stop suddenly is ... not good. With some skill applied, it becomes another tool in riding survival. Again, no substitute for a lot of seat time. Riding in traffic sometimes doesn't allow enough time for such fancy practices. The name of the game is get it stopped...NOW ! Another story before I let this rest. Few riders know this and most techs don't either (or don't understand it) The VT family of Honda's (V twin 700, 750, 1100 and such) use a familiar seven plate clutch system to drive the bike. However, when letting off (roll off, down shift, etc) a clever device uncouples four of the plate pairs. SO, the clutch actually slips a bit. Better than eating the handle bars or dropping the bike due to rear wheel lock-up. Believe me, without it, it can get violent...quick. SO, if you consider that under hard braking the weight shifts hard to the front wheel, giving it a lot of traction and the rear gets really light... what makes sense to do ? Use lots of front brake and down shift one gear at a time (if time allows) The whole thing is a dynamic and what you do is (should) be based on your immediate need to stop / slow and what the surface is like. Unless your name is Valentino, you never stop learning how to ride. I used to like to watch Carl Fogarty ride at 110%... scary. I'm like the pilot that said any landing you walk away from is a good one. I thank God every day for a good, safe ride. You still have to do your part. --- On Thu, 10/8/09, Dapper Dan dapperd...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dapper Dan dapperd...@gmail.com Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] braking To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:15 PM a quick question i have always been curious about: is it better to use a combination of downshifting and braking to slow your bike or is it better to use just your brakes? pros and cons? thanx dan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Braking
I used a contact solution bottle and a short clear tubing to get the air out of the new brake line. Worked great! - Original Message - From: Greg Holubanmailto:gman...@msn.com To: nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.commailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Braking Russell is a good brand. They have a kit for your bike. I think it was $35 w/shipping. Paul`s website has a link for the installation process. - Original Message - From: Ingersollmailto:250bi...@gmail.com To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Braking Ah, thanks. Any preferred brands for a steel brake line? On Jan 29, 6:44 pm, Greg Holuban gman...@msn.commailto:gman...@msn.com wrote: A steel brake line will make a huge difference. Dual disks were for Europe and Asia only. - Original Message - From: Ingersollmailto:250bi...@gmail.commailto:250bi...@gmail.com To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.commailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Braking Hey its me again. I have a 1992 Nighthawk 750cc. I was wounding if you guys know of any good ways to beef up the braking on this bike. I pain on doing a steel brake line with ceramic brake pads this weekend. I heard of a few guys putting duel disk brake on the front wheel, but never seen a pic of them. Any info would help, thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Braking
lol. I look in to that. Thanks On Feb 4, 12:25 am, yankfroggy fa...@marinmail.com wrote: FYI: That Italian brand can't be FREN TUBO because that simply means BRAKE TUBING. On Feb 2, 10:00 pm, Dennis Hammerl blues...@yahoo.com wrote: Before you jump on the braided band wagon, may I suggest Kevlar lines ? I have braided lines on my VF11 and the routing was problematic. As they are very abrasive, anything they touch can be damaged. I had to make stand-offs to route them properly. I don't remember the brand (years ago) but I also had to redo the connections many times to cure leaking. The cure was to use a fresh set of Honda sealing washers instead of the supplied ones. When I wanted to replace the lines on my 700s, I bought Kevlar lines and the job went much easier and it never leaked. They were made by an Italian firm named Fren (the shipping box said Fren Tubo) The VF11 was a straight forward replacement of original lines, the 700s job took a different course. I eliminated the manifold that splits the single line from the master cylinder with two seperate lines on a double length banjo bolt. Both systems work good but the biggest improvement in braking came from replacing the pads. I use Ferrodo pads. The set-up of a front brake and it's clearance makes a huge difference too. If you have money to burn, there's some really neat brakes to be had (six piston !) If you could pick up a whole front end from a 700s parts bike, you might get a dual brake system. I think the front wheel of yours will mount two discs. As long as the forks are the same diameter and length as yours no problem with using your tree. Still be some big $$ --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Ingersoll 250bi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ingersoll 250bi...@gmail.com Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Braking To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 8:13 AM Ah, thanks. Any preferred brands for a steel brake line? On Jan 29, 6:44 pm, Greg Holuban gman...@msn.com wrote: A steel brake line will make a huge difference. Dual disks were for Europe and Asia only. - Original Message - From: Ingersollmailto:250bi...@gmail.com To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Braking Hey its me again. I have a 1992 Nighthawk 750cc. I was wounding if you guys know of any good ways to beef up the braking on this bike. I pain on doing a steel brake line with ceramic brake pads this weekend. I heard of a few guys putting duel disk brake on the front wheel, but never seen a pic of them. Any info would help, thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Braking
FYI: That Italian brand can't be FREN TUBO because that simply means BRAKE TUBING. On Feb 2, 10:00 pm, Dennis Hammerl blues...@yahoo.com wrote: Before you jump on the braided band wagon, may I suggest Kevlar lines ? I have braided lines on my VF11 and the routing was problematic. As they are very abrasive, anything they touch can be damaged. I had to make stand-offs to route them properly. I don't remember the brand (years ago) but I also had to redo the connections many times to cure leaking. The cure was to use a fresh set of Honda sealing washers instead of the supplied ones. When I wanted to replace the lines on my 700s, I bought Kevlar lines and the job went much easier and it never leaked. They were made by an Italian firm named Fren (the shipping box said Fren Tubo) The VF11 was a straight forward replacement of original lines, the 700s job took a different course. I eliminated the manifold that splits the single line from the master cylinder with two seperate lines on a double length banjo bolt. Both systems work good but the biggest improvement in braking came from replacing the pads. I use Ferrodo pads. The set-up of a front brake and it's clearance makes a huge difference too. If you have money to burn, there's some really neat brakes to be had (six piston !) If you could pick up a whole front end from a 700s parts bike, you might get a dual brake system. I think the front wheel of yours will mount two discs. As long as the forks are the same diameter and length as yours no problem with using your tree. Still be some big $$ --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Ingersoll 250bi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ingersoll 250bi...@gmail.com Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Braking To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 8:13 AM Ah, thanks. Any preferred brands for a steel brake line? On Jan 29, 6:44 pm, Greg Holuban gman...@msn.com wrote: A steel brake line will make a huge difference. Dual disks were for Europe and Asia only. - Original Message - From: Ingersollmailto:250bi...@gmail.com To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Braking Hey its me again. I have a 1992 Nighthawk 750cc. I was wounding if you guys know of any good ways to beef up the braking on this bike. I pain on doing a steel brake line with ceramic brake pads this weekend. I heard of a few guys putting duel disk brake on the front wheel, but never seen a pic of them. Any info would help, thanks.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Nighthawk Lovers] Re: Braking
A steel brake line will make a huge difference. Dual disks were for Europe and Asia only. - Original Message - From: Ingersollmailto:250bi...@gmail.com To: Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers!mailto:nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:59 AM Subject: [Nighthawk Lovers] Braking Hey its me again. I have a 1992 Nighthawk 750cc. I was wounding if you guys know of any good ways to beef up the braking on this bike. I pain on doing a steel brake line with ceramic brake pads this weekend. I heard of a few guys putting duel disk brake on the front wheel, but never seen a pic of them. Any info would help, thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Nighthawk Motorcycle Lovers! group. To post to this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nighthawk_lovers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nighthawk_lovers?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
