Re: [nlug] dedicated server hosting

[Bill Woody]

Please post the results of your search. I have no need but, I am nosy.


On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Perkins, Jerry  wrote:

>  On 02/23/2015 09:00 AM, Greg Donald wrote:
>
> Where's a good place to get dedicated server hosting?
>
>
>
>Also try http://www.hostoople.com/
>I am with them and have been happy.
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Re: [nlug] did we ever arrive at a talk title?

[Bill Woody]

And the bar administrator said, "What is this, a joke?"

On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 7:39 PM, JMJ  wrote:
>
> On 12/08/2014 06:16 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote:
>
>> I don't know any Linux jokes, or even any puns... :(
>>
>
> A penguin, a chameleon, and an android walk into a bar...
>
>
> JMJ
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Re: [nlug] How do I...?

[Bill Woody]

Listen to Andrew.



On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Andrew Farnsworth 
wrote:

> David,
>   Research apt-get dist-upgrade.  Read the man page and this article...
>
>
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/apt-get-question-dist-upgrade-vs-upgrade-219920/
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 8:00 PM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Alan,
>>
>> That looks like a good way to approach this.  I will give that a spin.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave
>> KU4B
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2014-08-23 at 18:51 -0500, Allen Minix wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:42 PM, David R. Wilson 
>> > wrote:
>> > Hello Alan,
>> >
>> > I was somewhat hesitant to rock that boat until I had the
>> > chance to back
>> > everything up before blowing up the box.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> > KU4B
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, 2014-08-23 at 18:35 -0500, Allen Minix wrote:
>> > > On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 6:11 PM, David R. Wilson
>> > 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > Hi guys (and gals),
>> > >
>> > > Without upgrading to Ubuntu 14.04.1 I am trying to
>> > update
>> > > 12.04.1
>> > > Ubuntu.  I have an error from the package manager:
>> > >
>> > > The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>> > >
>> > > libreoffice: Depends: libreoffice-core (=
>> > > 1:4.3.0-3ubuntu1~precise1) but
>> > > 1:4.3.0-3ubuntu2~precise1 is installed
>> > > libreoffice-base: Depends: libreoffice-base-core (=
>> > > 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1~precise1) but
>> > 1:4.3.0-3ubuntu2~precise1 is
>> > > installed
>> > >   Depends: libreoffice-base-drivers
>> > (=
>> > > 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1~precise1) but
>> > 1:4.3.0-3ubuntu2~precise1 is
>> > > installed
>> > >   Depends: libreoffice-core (=
>> > > 1:4.3.0-0ubuntu1~precise1) but
>> > 1:4.3.0-3ubuntu2~precise1 is
>> > > installed
>> > > libreoffice-base-drivers: libreoffice-core:
>> > >
>> > > I have tried
>> > > apt-get remove -f libreoffice
>> > > and
>> > > apt-get install -f
>> > > and
>> > > apt-get install -f libreoffice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have also tried fixing packages with Synaptic and
>> > all seem
>> > > to fail
>> > > with unmet dependencies.
>> > >
>> > > Any good ideas?  If I had a big USB drive I would
>> > backup the
>> > > system and
>> > > try the upgrade, but at the moment I don't.
>> > >
>> > > Dave
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dave -
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Have you tried apt-get dselect-upgrade or upgrading through
>> > aptitude?
>> > >  I have had situations like this where either of the two
>> > would give
>> > > some useful info due to slightly different package
>> > install/upgrade
>> > > candidates.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Allen Minix / KM4DCZ
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Check out my blog! - http://thefatpenguin.blogspot.com
>> >
>> > > --
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Understood... --dry-run will just print the the proposed changes.  I
>> > get a bit gun shy when I don't have a good backout option as well, so
>> > I know exactly where you're coming from.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
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Re: [nlug] What's your favorite...

[Bill Woody]

HP. I am not happy about it but, I am not irritated nearly so much if I
just stick with them.



On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Paul Boniol  wrote:

> My recommendation depends on print volume, color/B&W, etc.
>
> I was stunned when HP turned to the same breakable printer as all the
> others, I was crushed when my IIIp died.  (And even when I was looking for
> high volume printers, HP was even worse than competitors for our needs.)
>  They started doing some funky things, and I consider them pretty much
> Lexmark equivalent, though as said, you can generally find more suppliers
> of toner, etc.  I have no recent experience.  Perhaps worth another look
> since it has been years...
>
> Home wired networked use, I definitely like my Brother B&W laser, Linux
> support, Post Script built in, never broken on me.  What's not to like?
>
> Canon, especially in the SOHO arena, has virtually non-existent Linux /
> PostScript support, no experience with their lasers.  (I like their inkjet
> results, 100 year ink, more accurate colors.  Just hate the lack of Linux
> support.)
>
> Work, we still pretty much have to buy Dell until you get out of the
> personal / very small workgroup B&W arena (because they give us a
> low/discount price).
>
> Large volume, the accountants have evidently crunched the numbers and come
> out that leasing from R J Young (with Vanderbilt discount) comes out better
> than buying.  (YMMV)  Generally Ricoh, but Xerox is a strong competitor in
> the large volume print arena.  Xerox is the way to go if you need the
> printer to track usage by user as it is built in (e.g. who printed 5000
> full color pages? When?).  Ricoh has PostScript as an add-on, Xerox it is
> native.  If you're in this arena, definitely get some sort of support
> agreement, especially fixing a Xerox without extended service agreement is
> REALLY expensive.  (Oki was a strong competitor back several years, but as
> far as I know RJY doesn't carry them, haven't had experience.)
>
> Perhaps goes without saying, but unfortunately, regardless of printer
> line, I don't really see the sturdiness (i.e. virtually non-breakable-ness)
> in anything recent like the old HP 3/4 series had, especially internally.
>  "We built it cheaper, lower cost means more sales over competitors, it
> will break sooner, then we can sell a new one more quickly" mentality seems
> to be everywhere these days. :-\
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Howard White  wrote:
>
>> We've all deployed umpteen gazillion printers over the years.
>>
>> I've gotten kinda bummed out on the market leader - HP.  The single digit
>> HP LaserJets were tanks (the LJ 4si/Mx was awesome) but the 4 digit units
>> have issues.  HP struggles to distinguish themselves from their own PCL by
>> layering on other crap.
>>
>> So what is your current recommendation for a monochrome, wired network
>> (not wifi) workgroup printer??  HP, Samsung, Canon, Brother (cough, cough),
>> Lexmark (the suggestion of which might get me shot here), Xerox.  The list
>> goes on and on.
>>
>> Not interested in multifunction.  Just more things to break.
>>
>> Howard
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Re: [nlug] next asleep at the prompt: pbzip2

[Bill Woody]

Foolish politicians. Why do they not just get them from the NSA? Of course,
congress would need to "ask" for the files not get all uppity.


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Greg Donald  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:
> > Oh, a political reference.  The IRS claims it's lost 2 years of Lois
> > Lerner's Emails.  Given the backup-in-depth employed by agencies like the
> > IRS, it's hard to understand how they could have 'gone missing.'
>
> IRS employees were only allowed to keep 500MBs of email around at any time.
>
> Only six months of backup tapes were being kept.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
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Re: [nlug] Let's see who gets the reference

[Bill Woody]

Toshiba. Toshiba... something about selling missile secrets to Russia?
Prevented from doing business with US entities for five years? Maybe my
imagination.



On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:

> Tesla was the geek that Westinghouse (the business person) tried to make
> rich, but Tesla never really got the 'money' thing.  Science and ideas were
> everything to NT.  Tesla didn't like Edison, but Edison and Westinghouse
> were more 'peer enemies' (especially in business) than Tesla v. Edison.
>
> Edison's empire was the basis of todays GE.  Westinghouse Electric Corp
> (the successor to Westinghouse Air Brake Company) is still around, just not
> the powerhouse they used to be.  Currently they build and manage about half
> of the nuclear reactors in current operation (source: Wikipedia ... so it
> is fact/not fact at your discretion)  Today if you want to purchase
> Westinghouse stock, you need to buy Toshiba.  They acquired it in 2006.  GE
> is still GE on the Big Board.
>
> Westinghouse Licensing is owned by CBS / Viacom.  And
>
> Tesla is still one of my geek heroes.
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Re: [nlug] 185 TB tape?

[Bill Woody]

Did I leave my punch cards at the last meeting?



On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:

> Didn't see the size of the 'standard' for the cart they are going to use.
>
> LTO-7? Naw, I think LTO was designed to end at 6, but that was a few years
> ago when I was learning about LTO.
>
> The first 1T tape cart I saw was a 2" wide phillips like cassette (but
> about a foot long in the long dimension).  It was a monster.  In the '80 if
> I remember not-wrong :)  The 'cartridge robot' was a thing we could walk
> into.  It was at Amoco, and they kept 3D seismic data on them.  Nothing for
> little data stuff like IT used.
>
>
> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:
>
>> Sony claims a breakthrough:
>>
>>
>> http://www.itworld.com/storage/416783/sony-develops-tape-tech-could-lead-185-tb-cartridges
>>
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> "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate" -
> Henry J. Tillman
> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
> Albert Einstein
> "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral
> Grace Hopper, USN
> "a nanosecond is the time it takes electrons to propigate 11.8 inches" - "
> - http://youtu.be/JEpsKnWZrJ8
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Re: [nlug] Help Wanted

[Bill Woody]

Why not just do it? You don't have to offer it up for production before you
test it. During the process you will enough to survive. Keep it simple.
Thee are bppks and online resources to help. All you need is a "mayday"
consultant for serious problems.
What is your position at the school?


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Mark J. Bailey  wrote:

> One other thing you might want to consider, though this digs a little
> deeper into the technical skill requirements arena, is something like the
> now fully open sourced Xenserver (http://www.xenserver.org/) or maybe
> even VMWare's vSphere Free Edition (
> http://www.vmware.com/products/vsphere-hypervisor). These are
> virtualization hosting platforms. Xenserver would be the most able to fit
> on to off-the-shelf hardware. What a virtualization host allows you to do
> is setup multiple virtualized "guests" (virtual machines as opposed to
> physical/hardware machines). Each is like having a separate physical server
> as far as the network and your users are concerned.
>
>
>
> You can install something like Zimbra on one virtual guest. Then setup,
> say, a different guest  Linux server to run a ticket/helpdesk system,
> whatever. There are also tons of pre-built free linux-based "virtual
> appliances" at sites like Turnkey Linux (http://www.turnkeylinux.org/)
> for all sorts of applications, each its own "virtual server" - all this
> running on a single (potentially) host server running Xenserver or vSphere
> ESXi. As for Mailman, Zimbra has a distribution list mechanism builtin, but
> it may or may not be suitable for your needs, but it's there. And, there
> may be a virtual appliance for something like Mailman out there as well.
>
>
>
> A couple of other pluses on Xenserver is that you can buy commercial
> support from Citrix if you want it, and since they open sourced their
> enterprise product last year, you can add a second, third, ..., Xenserver
> host and then create a pooled cluster for better resiliency and
> distribution. VMware has an entry level "paid" license, but it does not
> include the enterprise grade clustering that Xenserver has.
>
>
>
> Just some food for thought.
>
>
>
> *From:* nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-talk@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark J. Bailey
> *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2014 1:32 PM
> *To:* nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [nlug] Help Wanted
>
>
>
> For drop in, full feature email system on linux, open source version of
> Zimbra is hard to beat:
> http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-collaboration/zimbra-open-source.html
>
>
>
> But I've also seen a lot of recent mentions of iRedMail:
> http://iredmail.org/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* nlug-talk@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:nlug-talk@googlegroups.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Wesley Duffee-Braun
> *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2014 1:25 PM
> *To:* nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [nlug] Help Wanted
>
>
>
> Hello Joe, Vicki -
>
>
>
> When you say "recover from hardware failure" do you mean "recover with a
> hardware reboot and/or backups" or do you mean "high availability" ?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wesley
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:14 PM,  wrote:
>
> I need help. I work for a school system and am trying to accomplish a few
> things on a tight budget (I think we have some money for consulting). I
> know I can do what I have in mind on a Linux server or two but I am lacking
> some experience. I am looking for someone who can help me get up to speed.
> Some of the things I would like to do are:
>
>- Set up a mail server that will relay email messages from our student
>data system without becoming an open relay for spammers.
>- Setup up Mailman and be able to recover from hardware failure, etc.
>- Setup a work order system (thinking osTicket) and be able to recover
>from hardware failure, etc.
>- Possibly set up a web server with a CMS and be able to recover from
>hardware failure, etc.
>- Possibly set up an internal DNS server to take the load off our
>Domain Controller.
>
> I am at the point where I have actually all this at one time or another on
> a test server, I just don't feel comfortable with what I know moving
> forward into production. I am looking for someone with the heart of a
> teacher help me move forward.
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
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Re: [nlug] DNS attack mitigation suggestions?

[Bill Woody]

Bunch of quitters!


On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Howard White  wrote:
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>> On 02/28/2014 08:46 AM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> mm - toluene and methyl ethyl keytone
>>
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Re: [nlug] DNS attack mitigation suggestions?

[Bill Woody]

And I thought "youvebeenowned.org" was another group of black hats! I have
GOT to stop waiting so late in the day to start drinking.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:

> To add to david's problems, "youvebeenowned.org" seems to have found an
> exploit.
> While the domain name does not resolve, the IP shows a little of their
> handiwork.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Wesley Duffee-Braun wrote:
>
>> Good deal - let me know if you have any issues!
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:33 PM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Wesley,
>>>
>>> That helps a bunch.  In this case it is a Centos box, but I don't think
>>> that is going to cause any problems.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 13:19 -0600, Wesley Duffee-Brahun wrote:
>>> > Hi Dave,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Here is a link about someone who went through your scenario with a DNS
>>> > server and DDOS
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://www.debian-administration.org/article/Blocking_a_DNS_DDOS_using_the_fail2ban_package
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Debian, not sure what you are running, but Fail2Ban should be similar
>>> > setup.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  - Wesley
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, David R. Wilson 
>>> > wrote:
>>> > Thanks Guys,
>>> >
>>> > That is part of the problem.  Charter as best I can tell
>>> > refuses to
>>> > block anything.  The fail2ban program looks like it might
>>> > work.  It
>>> > looks like just a ping to verify the address is legitimate and
>>> > drop the
>>> > packet if there is no response would be one way to do it.
>>> >
>>> > I will stare at the fail2ban program docs a bit and see what
>>> > that is
>>> > going to require.
>>> >
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 13:02 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
>>> > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:29 PM, David R. Wilson
>>> >  wrote:
>>> > > > I have had a problem with non resolvable IP addresses
>>> > hitting my DNS
>>> > > > server (running BIND9) and eating up bandwidth.  I am sure
>>> > there is some
>>> > > > instructions on how to assure the IP numbers resolve, but
>>> > I apparently
>>> > > > missed the instructions.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Some of those addresses I put into firewall rules to drop
>>> > the inquiry.
>>> > > > Since then someone decided random IP addresses were more
>>> > fun.  Rate
>>> > > > limiting doesn't seem to help.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Anyone in the group have the short story on how to fix
>>> > this?
>>> > >
>>> > > I'm guessing you're talking about non-routable addresses?
>>> >  Ultimately,
>>> > > it's going to have to be solved by your upstream backbone
>>> > provider, in
>>> > > terms of blocking packets with forged source addresses,
>>> > since that's
>>> > > the nature of the problem.
>>> > >
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Re: [nlug] DNS attack mitigation suggestions?

[Bill Woody]

To add to david's problems, "youvebeenowned.org" seems to have found an
exploit.
While the domain name does not resolve, the IP shows a little of their
handiwork.






On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Wesley Duffee-Braun wrote:

> Good deal - let me know if you have any issues!
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 3:33 PM, David R. Wilson  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Wesley,
>>
>> That helps a bunch.  In this case it is a Centos box, but I don't think
>> that is going to cause any problems.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 13:19 -0600, Wesley Duffee-Brahun wrote:
>> > Hi Dave,
>> >
>> >
>> > Here is a link about someone who went through your scenario with a DNS
>> > server and DDOS
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.debian-administration.org/article/Blocking_a_DNS_DDOS_using_the_fail2ban_package
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Debian, not sure what you are running, but Fail2Ban should be similar
>> > setup.
>> >
>> >
>> >  - Wesley
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:15 PM, David R. Wilson 
>> > wrote:
>> > Thanks Guys,
>> >
>> > That is part of the problem.  Charter as best I can tell
>> > refuses to
>> > block anything.  The fail2ban program looks like it might
>> > work.  It
>> > looks like just a ping to verify the address is legitimate and
>> > drop the
>> > packet if there is no response would be one way to do it.
>> >
>> > I will stare at the fail2ban program docs a bit and see what
>> > that is
>> > going to require.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> > On Thu, 2014-02-27 at 13:02 -0600, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
>> > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 12:29 PM, David R. Wilson
>> >  wrote:
>> > > > I have had a problem with non resolvable IP addresses
>> > hitting my DNS
>> > > > server (running BIND9) and eating up bandwidth.  I am sure
>> > there is some
>> > > > instructions on how to assure the IP numbers resolve, but
>> > I apparently
>> > > > missed the instructions.
>> > > >
>> > > > Some of those addresses I put into firewall rules to drop
>> > the inquiry.
>> > > > Since then someone decided random IP addresses were more
>> > fun.  Rate
>> > > > limiting doesn't seem to help.
>> > > >
>> > > > Anyone in the group have the short story on how to fix
>> > this?
>> > >
>> > > I'm guessing you're talking about non-routable addresses?
>> >  Ultimately,
>> > > it's going to have to be solved by your upstream backbone
>> > provider, in
>> > > terms of blocking packets with forged source addresses,
>> > since that's
>> > > the nature of the problem.
>> > >
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Re: [nlug] The ongoing recovery saga

[Bill Woody]

Have you contacted SCO about a replacement copy of the os? I'm sure ...
but... ya' never know.


On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Paul Boniol  wrote:

> I've got tons of old CD's.  I tended toward Red Hat, Mandrake, Mandriva,
> OpenSUSE type lines but periodically tried lots of others.  Let me know if
> you are interested and I will look to see what all I've got.
>
> If you are looking for something close to SCO though, you might want to
> look towards BSD.  BSD and I never got along well, so others would be
> better to advise on what distro/release to try if you want to go the BSD
> route.
>
> Paul
>
> On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Howard White  wrote:
>
>> So, let's just suppose for tickles and giggles, I wanted to build a
>> server running a linux kernel v2.2 or less.  Anybody got a suggestion as to
>> which distribution I might go trolling for - either on the web or in the
>> VCCH / NLUG installfest archives???
>>
>> Howard
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Re: [nlug] Internet pricing

[Bill Woody]

I was irritated to discover it is cheaper to buy a ticket from China to
Hawaii than it is from Hawaii to China. Same airports! We are taken
advantage of way too often.
I have considered living overseas several times but, I am so
anti-authoritarian... and somewhat chicken.

Thank You for the clarification.


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:17 PM, Howard White  wrote:

> On 01/27/2014 09:03 AM, Bill Woody wrote:
>
>> Gee, Howard. That really sounds like a troll. But, I know you to be one
>> of the more pleasant keyboards on this list. Therefore, it must be me.
>> What did I miss? Be nice.
>>
>>
> Sorry if I caught you out there a bit, Bill.  I do appreciate that you
> kept your comments toned down.
>
> The point of my remark regarding "my country of domicile" has more to do
> with the trade-offs of faster internet speed versus other considerations.
>  I have no idea what internet access is like in Argentina (never been
> there) but they have other problems.  Taiwan seems like a pretty difficult
> place to fit in.  ;)
>
> As for why some countries have cheaper internet, we've had some good
> discussion here.  Yes, population density has a great deal to do with the
> situation.  We could have spirited discussion as to which countries
> subsidize their communications companies how:  government owned PTTs or
> other silliness.  The "price" is not the price, in so many words.
>
> Living waay out in the sticks, I have one real choice.  Just now I'm
> having issues with that one choice.  It took "them" over six weeks to fix a
> downed pole blown out by the nasty storm before Christmas.  We were having
> "blinks" well before that pole got whacked.
>
> Jerry touches a very sore nerve with me regarding the "competition" in
> telecommunications.  Recent FCC initiatives seem to think that competition
> is one phone company, one cable company and a few cell providers.
>  Balderdash!
>
> Likewise, the Incumbent Local Exchange Carriers (ILECs) aka Regional Bell
> Operating Companies (RBOCs) that have now been reduced to AT&T and Verizon
> (Century Link bought out Qwest but they don't count) are ditching all land
> lines unless the premise wants to pay $1000 - $1500 per month for fiber;
> but only if you ask nicely.  Other than that, you may have some miserable
> wireless.
>
> Jack said it correctly:  fair is where on rides the Ferris Wheel, and if I
> may add - this is right (waving my right hand...).
>
> Howard, Grumpy, White
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Re: [nlug] Internet pricing

[Bill Woody]

What a riot! It is so often the near last person in the chain solves the
problem. Next time, try calling the big dog's secretary.


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 1:20 PM, CindyYoho  wrote:

> Loosely related, or refile under "a good laugh after it was over" I had an
> interesting go-round with comcast a few months ago.  I have a magic jack
> line into my house, and someone dug through my comcast internet line while
> repairing septic lines.   I opened the repair call the next day but it was
> 3 weeks before they fixed it.  Seems they have to call to make sure you're
> home before they can come out, and the magic jack number was the one on my
> account.  So even though I gave them my cell number and told them the other
> line was down, they would call the magic jack line, get no answer, and
> cancel the call.  This went on for weeks, 5 scheduled visits, 29 (long!)
> phone calls, numerous discussions with supervisors, and still they could
> not figure this out.  I finally pulled to a screeching halt when I saw a
> local cable truck in a parking lot.  I explained the situation and begged
> the guy for help.  He laughed and dispatched a guy right then, and it was
> fixed when I got home from work.
>
> Cindy
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> *Subject: *Re: [nlug] Internet pricing
>
>
> On 01/27/2014 11:53 AM, David R. Wilson wrote:
> >
> > I am glad to hear TDS has made that leap.  When I had ISDN service from
> > them many years ago they had troubles configuring the switch.  It
> > bothered me many years ago that AT&T (at the time Bellsouth) had the
> > chance to do FTTH and caved to the wishes of the CWA.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
> This entire issue is rife with political intrigue (my current
> Congressional Representative lied to my face about this), back slapping,
> back stabbing, regulatory ~!@#$%^ -- you name it.
>
> Pass the blood pressure medicine, please.
>
> Howard
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Re: [nlug] Internet pricing

[Bill Woody]

Gee, Howard. That really sounds like a troll. But, I know you to be one of
the more pleasant keyboards on this list. Therefore, it must be me. What
did I miss? Be nice.



On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Howard White  wrote:

> On 01/26/2014 01:00 PM, Bill Woody wrote:
>
>> Folks; I just edited a nasty rant. Suffice it to say we pay more for
>> everything in the US. I HATE using obscene language in general so, we
>> are the ___ goose! Try to enjoy it.
>>
>>
> Thank you for your consideration.  All the same, I do not plan to move to
> Argentina, or even Taiwan, anytime soon.
>
> Howard
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Re: [nlug] Internet pricing

[Bill Woody]

Folks; I just edited a nasty rant. Suffice it to say we pay more for
everything in the US. I HATE using obscene language in general so, we are
the ___ goose! Try to enjoy it.


On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Tim Jackson  wrote:

> I have a house for rent just outside of Nashville where you can get
> 300/120 for $129/mo..
>
> It all depends on the ILEC..
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 7:14 AM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:
> > My friend in Taipei just Emailed asking if I thought it was worth it for
> him
> > to upgrade his service.
> >
> > Present service:  60 Mbit down, 15 Mbit up for US$31.75/month
> >
> > Proposed service 100 Mbit down, 20 Mbit up for US$33.33/month
> >
> > My service:  18 Mbps down, 1.5 Mbps up, $55/month
> >
> > Do I sense a discrepancy?
> >
> > Curt
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Re: [nlug] Video recording of presentations?

[Bill Woody]

I am all for it. (No longer in Nashville) Making the presentations
available might get some really interesting stuff from out-of-towners. It
goes without saying; if things turn horribly wrong a fearless leader might
pound his fist on a podium demanding obedience and end the video
experience!



On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Tim O'Guin  wrote:

> Agreed. Good talks are educational for the entire world, not just for the
> limited amount of people that are able to attend meetings in person.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Michael Chaney <
> mdcha...@michaelchaney.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, January 23, 2014, Howard White  wrote:
>>>
>>> We tech types are often anti-social in nature.  We've always rejected
>>> the idea of real time meeting streaming on the excuse that no one would
>>> come to meetings.  That is a concern of mine also.  But this begs the
>>> question:  Does NLUG exist for the sake of meetings, the sake of the [
>>> email list | irc channel | web site ], for sake of its membership or for
>>> the sake of evangelizing linux in general?  There isn't one answer, of
>>> course.
>>>
>>
>> I would argue that there is one answer and it is "yes".  Looking at a
>> video archive it has value beyond the membership of the group and can be
>> used by anybody.
>>
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [nlug] Legacy company DNS transition

[Bill Woody]

Did you get it repaired?





On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Howard White  wrote:

> On 12/03/2013 10:15 AM, Jack Coats wrote:
>
>> Just saw a quick youtube video on 'resetting' rndc.key and .conf on
>> CentOS.  Might give that a quick google and watch.
>>
>> I didn't watch more that just the start, but it looks like it might help
>> in the mechanics.  It might give some explaination for the 'whys' too,
>> but I doubt it.
>>
>>
> It seems the larger problem I had to correct was that the prior install
> referred to rndckey while CentOS generated rndc-key.
>
> Sigh...
>
>
> Howard
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Re: [nlug] Legacy company DNS transition

[Bill Woody]

Have you read Cricket Liu's book while having a dns beater to mess with?


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Howard White  wrote:

> I'm dealing with quite the irony here.  We have an internal DNS currently
> running on an Ubuntu 10.04 server.  The named.conf file has a comment at
> the top "named.conf" for Red Hat caching-nameserver" which implies that
> once upon a time, the company DNS ran on Red Hat.  We have customers
> deployed on Red Hat but our most recent installs have used CentOS.  To that
> end, I am migrating off of the Ubuntu 10.04 (the only Ubuntu in the company
> other than my desktop and laptop).
>
> Part of the learning about DNS is the function of rndc, specifically the
> presence of the files /etc/rndc.key and /etc/rndc.conf.  Seems that Ubuntu
> does not beef about the existence of /etc/rndc.conf while CentOS does.
>
> Am I focusing on an acorn instead of the forest?
>
> Howard
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Re: [nlug] Red Hat at HealthCare.GOV

[Bill Woody]

Dangit!!! Somany of you sound like, "..but what if..." Admittedly, I am a
big fan of Red Hat but, come on; Who else can fix this? Red Hat is the
current biggie!


On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Chris McQuistion
wrote:

> On the flip side, if RedHat provides a solid platform (at low cost or high
> cost) and the platform is recognized as being part of the solution, they
> could get some great PR!
>
> This assumes the thing actually works someday...
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Mark J. Bailey  wrote:
>
>> Amen! I can just see Red Hat wandering too close to the edge and then
>> getting swept over the precipice along with all the others. The Obama
>> Administration is not known for asking nicely for someone to “do their
>> part” and “help out” by “donating” their time to fix this.  I wouldn’t be a
>> bit surprised, given the reported ties Red Hat has with the Feds (and, as
>> Chris just noted, some ties to the underlying platform), someone at HHS
>> called them up and said “you WILL help, or else!” Why else would they want
>> to get further tangled up in a sinking ship? I honestly can’t see how they
>> will manage to salvage it in the allotted timeframe if it truly is as bad
>> as some tech analysts are saying.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-talk@googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Kent Perrier
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 01, 2013 10:47 AM
>> *To:* nlug-talk
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [nlug] Red Hat at HealthCare.GOV
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Just look at this as another example of how waterfall project management
>> doesn't work on large software projects!
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:36 AM, David R. Wilson  wrote:*
>> ***
>>
>> Hello Mark,
>>
>>
>> I don't think RedHat, Linux or the tools they used to create this mess
>> will be given much thought.  There is a bit of blame to spread around,
>> not the least of which is changing the plan after much was almost
>> finished and not having time to do testing.  The track record of the
>> company writing the project left a lot to be desired.  I suspect that
>> many on this list could have done a better job at execution of the site
>> and database engine.  Certainly part of the problem is those driving the
>> project at the top level had not a clue how these things work, or even
>> what the rules and guidelines were from the start.  Even a lack of
>> understanding economics when the initial plan was being put together has
>> a lot to do with why this won't work.  Fixing the web site and database
>> issues is possible.  Fixing the plan long term is not looking good.  As
>> Curt mentions, the long term support is going to be an expensive
>> nightmare.  That is true for the software and the legislation.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 09:31 -0500, Mark J. Bailey wrote:
>> > Well, that is kind of my concern. If Red Hat didn't initially have a dog
>> > directly in the fight except that the contractors may have selected Red
>> > Hat Enterprise Linux and/or JBOSS, whatever, for the project, no amount
>> of
>> > money might be worth the cost of being dragged into that mess after the
>> > fact only to be inadvertently forced to public share the blame (like
>> Curt
>> > suggested). Not being as big as Oracle who can weather a good amount of
>> > negativity, Red Hat could come away permanently scarred in the public
>> > (business) world. Not too good for Linux's reputation. Thank God Linux
>> is
>> > infinitely more than just Red Hat!
>> >
>> > Again, I really don't know what/why they were pulled in, so am hoping to
>> > learn more over the coming days. It would be really interesting to see
>> if
>> > Red Hat's presence might have anything to do with Oracle's Linux being
>> > essentially based off Red Hat's. Oracle may be why they are involved. I
>> > definitely got to Google on it some this weekend.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-talk@googlegroups.com] On
>> > Behalf Of David R. Wilson
>> > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 8:43 AM
>> > To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [nlug] Red Hat at HealthCare.GOV
>> >
>> > Hello Mark,
>> >
>> > Doesn't surprise me a bit.  Obviously the problem is not RedHat, but the
>> > plan for the software, testing and other things that should have
>> happened
>> > and didn't.  Another problem was the directive to gather all of the
>> > information before allowing a search for insurance.  That was due to the
>> > realization that no one would buy it (or enter their data) if they knew
>> > what the prices were.
>> >
>> > It is a train wreck, with a worse train wreck for the initial plan.  I
>> > read some of the bill.  I was sick by the time I hit page 70, and
>> figured
>> > no one in their right mind would even consider passing this mess.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2013-11-01 at 07:07 -0500, Mark J. Bailey wrote:
>> > > Anyone else find it interesting (and a bit worrisome too) to see Red
>> > 

Re: [nlug] Being attacked?

[Bill Woody]

Way cool!
Thanks!


On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> Just found this link on Slashdot; thought I'd pass it along:
>
>
> http://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&time=15999&view=map
>
> Curt
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Re: [nlug] Paging Jami Couch

[Bill Woody]

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/frank-jami-couch/62/18a/4a0




On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 2:06 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote:

>  On 09/30/2013 11:59 AM, Perkins, Jerry wrote:
>
> On 09/29/2013 11:23 PM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 7:46 AM, Perkins, Jerry  
>  wrote:
>
>
>  On 09/27/2013 09:45 PM, Howard White wrote:
>
> Meeting presenters:
> October 8 - Jami Couch
> November 12 - Jerry Perkins
> December 10 - Justin Elam
> January 14 - Tilghman Lesher
> February 11 - Wesley Duffee-Braun
> March 11 - (available)
> April 8 - (available)
>
>
>I have run into a conflict for November 12.   Would be happy to switch 
> with anyone, except for the dates of Oct. 8 & Feb 11.
>My subject will be "Experiences with HTML5, CSS3, PHP, & MySQL".
>
>
>  Jerry, if you can take January, I can move my presentation up to November.
>
>
>
> Tilghman:   That is great.   Thanks.   Also will give me a chance to work
> on the presentation while on the beach (could not resist getting that in
> there)
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Re: [nlug] Document categorization systems

[Bill Woody]

Well, Robert. I guess you can now see; you are our lead man on this one.
Please keep us up on this.


On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Robert Wohlfarth wrote:

> My Director is keen on getting a document categorization system up and
> running. We're looking at things like SPSS (from IBM) and SAS. If you have
> experience installing, maintaining, or using one of these systems, may I
> pick your brain?
>
>- What things went well for you?
>- What things didn't?
>- Approximately how long did it take to implement? Weeks, months,
>years?
>- What was your staffing commitment? One person, full time for 4
>weeks? 3 people spending 6 weeks?
>- What kind of maintenance does it require? A full time person to
>tweak and watch the system? Half time? Or just normal system 
> administration?
>
> As you can probably tell, I'm still trying to figure out what I don't
> know.
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Re: [nlug] RoboLinux?

[Bill Woody]

Eighty Dollars at robolinux.org and free via sourceforge.
The article seemed to have some errors but, if written by a DVM new to
Linux I would expect that.
Oh, yeah. If you buy one and sign up to be an affiliate you can earn forty
dollars for each sale. Odd marketing plan. Their own website points out you
can install it on many machines.
(I think I read someplace it was originally based on Ubuntu.)
I read a rant by the developer of robolinux at Forbes Magazine. An article
in April predicted the end of the PC. John entered a comment which was a
bit inaccurate according to others.
In the spirit of open source I will be selling copies of the OS at the
astonishingly low price of forty dollars (Cash, American, please. No
checks, credit cards or refunds.) If you join my affiliate program I will
send you a set of Ginsu knives for every sale. You simply pay separate
shipping and handling.
After lunch I will try to install robolinux on a flash drive.
http://sourceforge.net/directory/os:linux/freshness:recently-updated/?q=robolinux


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Jim Peterson wrote:

>  Thanks for the link -- I'll download & try it later this morning.
>
> Jim Peterson
>
>
> On 06/06/2013 05:58 AM, Mark J. Bailey wrote:
>
>  http://robolinux.org/
>
> ** **
>
> Just stumbled across a reference to this in the comments of a ZDNet post.
> I vaguely recall seeing it referenced at some point in the past, but the
> commenter prompted me to look more closely at it this time. 
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone here ever used this in the field, and if so, what were the results?
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Re: [nlug] Okay, that was fun

[Bill Woody]

I see no problem. It worked for my parents.


On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 2:21 AM, David R. Wilson  wrote:

>
> > Do what I want you to do, not what I _tell_ you to do...
> >
> > Howard
>
> I think I see the real problem here.
>
> Dave
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Re: [nlug] Samba grief with Windows 7 / Active Directory

[Bill Woody]

Fortunately, it is out of your hands. Sorry I was not aware in time to
help. Keep us/me posted. I have an interest in linux /  Exchange server.



On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Howard White  wrote:

> On 05/17/2013 05:12 AM, Bill Woody wrote:
>
>> Did you get the issue resolved?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Howard White > <mailto:hwh...@vcch.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Have a customer with Samba 3.0.33-3.15.el5_4.1.  The desktops are
>> Windows 7 64bit Pro.  They have some Active Directory server and an
>> Exchange server (may be the same box, don't know).  Not really
>> trying to have the linux server "join" the domain.
>>
>> We have users configured to connect to a share /nfs and it is
>> working. Trying to add another user and the connection is
>> consistently refused.
>>
>> I turned on logging:
>>  log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log#this works
>>  syslog = 0
>>  vfs objects = full_audit
>>
>> The error message that recurs in the %m.log is:
>>  read_data:  read failure for 4 bytes to client
>> nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn.  Error = Connection reset by peer.
>>
>> I followed other google entries that instruct us to change security
>> policies on the Windows desktop but now I get more choice than
>> expected and none of them solve the problem.
>>
>> Help
>>
>> Howard
>>
>>
>
> Thanks for asking (and thank you, David, for the comments about AVG).
>
> Where this stands at the moment is that all the other computers at the
> site are able to connect to the linux share.  Using a different login on
> the offending desktop did not change the outcome.  Then it comes out that
> there had been malware on this desktop a couple of months ago. Problem is
> now back in the hands of the network support contractor - malware not
> completely removed, mitigated.
>
>
> Howard
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Re: [nlug] Samba grief with Windows 7 / Active Directory

[Bill Woody]

Did you get the issue resolved?


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Howard White  wrote:

> Have a customer with Samba 3.0.33-3.15.el5_4.1.  The desktops are Windows
> 7 64bit Pro.  They have some Active Directory server and an Exchange server
> (may be the same box, don't know).  Not really trying to have the linux
> server "join" the domain.
>
> We have users configured to connect to a share /nfs and it is working.
> Trying to add another user and the connection is consistently refused.
>
> I turned on logging:
> log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log#this works
> syslog = 0
> vfs objects = full_audit
>
> The error message that recurs in the %m.log is:
> read_data:  read failure for 4 bytes to client nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn.
>  Error = Connection reset by peer.
>
> I followed other google entries that instruct us to change security
> policies on the Windows desktop but now I get more choice than expected and
> none of them solve the problem.
>
> Help
>
> Howard
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Re: [nlug] Satellite Communication

[Bill Woody]

If cost is a big issue, discarded satellite TV dishes can be modified into
service. Wile I am speaking of the little Dish TV things, sometimes I dream
about using the old six foot and larger dishes with a modified horn to use
2.4 gig. wait. This would be illegal... just like all my really good
dreams.
Lightning will wreck your friend's dreams. It is important even in Ft.
Stockton. Lightening coming in your home is serious stuff.

Curt: Thanks for the tip on Streakwave.

- advertisement

Now a word from the Fort Stockton, Texas Chamber of Commerce.

If you are heading west from Nashville and going down to I10 would not be
stupid, try to go through the pass (toward town) east of town late at
night. Be prepared to stop and marvel. It is a sight like few you will see
on this planet. Also a word from the Fort Stockton Police Department! If
you must go to jail anywhere in Texas you will find no friendlier
accommodations than Fort Stockton jail. If you feel like a night enjoying
the good food, great coffee or even if you just feel like you do not look
good in a comfy orange jumpsuit, take my heartfelt advice. Stop to see your
local police with your auto registration, insurance, and maybe a box of
donuts. Explain how you need to insure the stolen vehicle report filed last
year has been removed.



On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:00 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote:

> Curt Lundgren  wrote:
>>
>> We use Ubiquiti UniFi access points at Watkins and we're quite happy with
>> them.  Ubiquiti has a couple of ranges of point-to-point access points and
>> antennas.  In general, the radios are power over Ethernet (they do insist
>> you use their shielded Ethernet cable for any outdoor installation), and as
>> radio equipment goes, it's pretty reasonably priced.  Bill is entirely
>> correct about the rigidity of the mounting pole or other hardware, wind is
>> not your friend.  Here's a link to one of their dishes, given its
>> construction, the wind load should be fairly low.  They claim 100 Mbits
>> over a 30 km hop, which is pretty decent performance.
>>
>> Oh, I've dealt with Streakwave in the past.  Good folks.
>>
>> Curt
>>
>> http://www.streakwave.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=AG-2G20-HP
>>
>> P.S.  In the drool-worth category, and for shorter distances, how about a
>> gigabit wireless link?  Only $3000 for the pair, if I recall the price
>> list:  http://www.ubnt.com/airfiber
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>>
>>> Since this is all pretty basic stuff... but, maybe nobody mentioned it
>>> to him.
>>> About ten mile east of Fort Stockton, highway 67 splits and proceeds
>>> north. I am guessing that is the area. If so, this is far simpler than any
>>> uplink. Make a deal with a friendly internet subscriber not so far away,
>>> get two radios with external antennae connections, use a pair of 23db
>>> parabolic dishes, a telescope and flashlights to line everything up. Lo'
>>> an' behold, let there be net! The dishes would need to be on utility poles
>>> and really mounted with conviction. Wind will try to change everything.
>>> There is the lightning to contend with.
>>> The radio will not drain his batteries. The dish could be fabricated out
>>> of an old satellite receiver dish but, that would get him cross-ways with
>>> the FCC. They play a little rough.
>>> There is another option using an alarm circuit I looked into years ago
>>> but, it would involve a recurring fee.
>>>
>>> If he is further east and higher, the function is much better. Testing
>>> with a pair of computers using external PC Card radios will prove
>>> everything up for him. I suggest a laser diode will help in the setup since
>>> the dishes typically have only about seven degrees of beam-width
>>> horizontally and even less vertically.
>>>
>>> Hmmm. Laser diodes. What if... never mind. Someone else's turn
>>>
>>> I hope this helps..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
>>>
>>>> My friend lives about 10 miles East of Ft Stockton, about a mile North
>>>> of I10 ... Off grid, and would like internet. :) ... he charges batteries
>>>> from solar panels.
>>>>
>>>> ><> ... Jack
>>>> Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23
>>>> "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate"
>>>> - Henry J. Tillman
>>>> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried

Re: [nlug] Satellite Communication

[Bill Woody]

Since this is all pretty basic stuff... but, maybe nobody mentioned it to
him.
About ten mile east of Fort Stockton, highway 67 splits and proceeds north.
I am guessing that is the area. If so, this is far simpler than any uplink.
Make a deal with a friendly internet subscriber not so far away, get two
radios with external antennae connections, use a pair of 23db parabolic
dishes, a telescope and flashlights to line everything up. Lo' an' behold,
let there be net! The dishes would need to be on utility poles and really
mounted with conviction. Wind will try to change everything. There is the
lightning to contend with.
The radio will not drain his batteries. The dish could be fabricated out of
an old satellite receiver dish but, that would get him cross-ways with the
FCC. They play a little rough.
There is another option using an alarm circuit I looked into years ago but,
it would involve a recurring fee.

If he is further east and higher, the function is much better. Testing with
a pair of computers using external PC Card radios will prove everything up
for him. I suggest a laser diode will help in the setup since the dishes
typically have only about seven degrees of beam-width horizontally and even
less vertically.

Hmmm. Laser diodes. What if... never mind. Someone else's turn

I hope this helps..



On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:

> My friend lives about 10 miles East of Ft Stockton, about a mile North of
> I10 ... Off grid, and would like internet. :) ... he charges batteries from
> solar panels.
>
> ><> ... Jack
> Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23
> "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate" -
> Henry J. Tillman
> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
> Albert Einstein
> "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral
> Grace Hopper, USN
> Life is complex: it has a real part and an imaginary part. - Martin Terma
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>> What part of West Texas? If I can google map it, I may be able to help
>> with something Earth based if clunky. I have had some thoughts and practice
>> with long distance communications on the cheap.
>> Your original question is a backburner project of mine to look at one
>> day. If anything comes of it working or not, I'd like to know. Please, keep
>> me in mind. I will get the project closer to the front as soon as two other
>> little projects stop biting me... a few months. Thanks.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a friend in West TX that wants to do a DIY satellite
>>> transmitter/reciever.
>>> Has anyone heard of a project to do such a thing?
>>>
>>> One time I think I heard of a Ham satellite that would do a store and
>>> forward, but that is probably not in service anymore.
>>>
>>> Just curious.
>>>
>>> BTW, it looks like we will be getting satellite for our home internet
>>> soon.  Settled on Excede (owns Wild Blue now, and is owned by ViaSat.
>>>  HughesNet is the only real competitor in the market).  Telco won't do DSL
>>> or anything other than dialup, and cable will do it, but the $20,000.00
>>> install fee is a bit steep.
>>>
>>> ><> ... Jack
>>> Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23
>>> "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate" -
>>> Henry J. Tillman
>>> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
>>> Albert Einstein
>>> "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral
>>> Grace Hopper, USN
>>> Life is complex: it has a real part and an imaginary part. - Martin Terma
>>>
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Re: [nlug] Satellite Communication

[Bill Woody]

What part of West Texas? If I can google map it, I may be able to help with
something Earth based if clunky. I have had some thoughts and practice with
long distance communications on the cheap.
Your original question is a backburner project of mine to look at one day.
If anything comes of it working or not, I'd like to know. Please, keep me
in mind. I will get the project closer to the front as soon as two other
little projects stop biting me... a few months. Thanks.


On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:

> I have a friend in West TX that wants to do a DIY satellite
> transmitter/reciever.
> Has anyone heard of a project to do such a thing?
>
> One time I think I heard of a Ham satellite that would do a store and
> forward, but that is probably not in service anymore.
>
> Just curious.
>
> BTW, it looks like we will be getting satellite for our home internet
> soon.  Settled on Excede (owns Wild Blue now, and is owned by ViaSat.
>  HughesNet is the only real competitor in the market).  Telco won't do DSL
> or anything other than dialup, and cable will do it, but the $20,000.00
> install fee is a bit steep.
>
> ><> ... Jack
> Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23
> "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the precipitate" -
> Henry J. Tillman
> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
> Albert Einstein
> "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral
> Grace Hopper, USN
> Life is complex: it has a real part and an imaginary part. - Martin Terma
>
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Re: [nlug] URGENT:Need a ride back home for July 10 meeting

[Bill Woody]

I enjoyed thinking the guy was in good hands. But, ya' never know. I had to
ask.
Funny how this group is head and shoulders above the rest.

Thanks. Proud to be a part of this little corner of it all.

I'll be... what???... forget about it all... Vacation trip begins in the
morning.



On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:13 PM, andrew mcelroy wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Chris McQuistion <
> cmcquist...@watkins.edu> wrote:
>
>> Yes
>>
> me
>
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>>
>> Did someone from NLUG help this fellow out?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:17 PM, JMJ  wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/11/2012 03:50 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, that is funny Professor White
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've been working the load-in for The Nutty Professor at TPAC for the
>>> last week.  Feel free to make your own joke from that.  heh heh
>>>
>>> JMJ
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Re: [nlug] URGENT:Need a ride back home for July 10 meeting

[Bill Woody]

Did someone from NLUG help this fellow out?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:17 PM, JMJ  wrote:

> On 07/11/2012 03:50 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote:
>
>> Oh, that is funny Professor White
>>
>
> I've been working the load-in for The Nutty Professor at TPAC for the last
> week.  Feel free to make your own joke from that.  heh heh
>
> JMJ
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Re: [nlug] SELinux

[Bill Woody]

On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Dagmar d'Surreal wrote:

> On Wed, 2011-02-23 at 08:09 -0800, Terry Trapp wrote:
> > I have recently been brought back from the Dark Side™ to administer some
> Linux boxen. Something that has changed in my absence is that SELinux is now
> enabled by default and appears to have a fairly prohibitive default policy.
> (On CentOS) I would like to draw on the group's experience and know your
> thoughts, opinions and philosophy of how best to deal with it.
> >
> > My initial thought is to leave it enabled and adjust the policy as needed
> for a given service. The issue I have ran into is that I have not found a
> comprehensive CLI tool to administer the policy. Outright disabling it has
> been the best answer in a couple of cases.
> >
> > Also, does anyone know of a good book that can give an overview of the
> current implementation of SELinux?
>
> Steal RHEL's config and their happy little python tool.  Basically, it
> gives you a decent template of permissions for all directories, and the
> python tool lets you just fist-type what amounts to a chdowtfIsayown
> -R /var/www, for example.
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Rolled on the floor!!! Best line here in forever!

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Re: [nlug] Re: Internet kill switch

[Bill Woody]

Maybe we could let the government run the internet provisioning! It could
easily be added to Obamacare!
Now, there is an idea to get behind YOU!


On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 5:46 PM, CindyYoho  wrote:

> Now that's an idea I can get behind!  I'll be going very slowly behind
> them, but I'll get behind them nonetheless.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "andrew mcelroy" 
> To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 4:20:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [nlug] Re: Internet kill switch
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>>
>>  > Paul Boniol
>>>
>>
>>
>>> ... and I don't see why we need ISPs in the first place,
>>>  but I digress.
>>>
>>
>>
>> If you see no need for ISPs, how are you planning to deliver internet
>> service to people?
>
>
> Turtles. Turtles all the way down.
>
> Andrew
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Re: [nlug] Re: Internet kill switch

[Bill Woody]

> I finally figured out you have to trust that others have written their
> > code in the most secure way they know, and haven't hidden anything
> > unexpected.
>
>

And the same should go for Russia's plutonium. They are protecting it as
securely as possible. No one is trying to do anything bad.
(sigh) At least we both wish it was the case for both code and WMDs.



> >
> > Paul Boniol
>


> ... and I don't see why we need ISPs in the first place,
> but I digress.
>


If you see no need for ISPs, how are you planning to deliver internet
service to people?

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Re: [nlug] I have a job!

[Bill Woody]

Congratulations John! Best of luck to you. Remember. Next time say,
"Everyone knows sheep LIE!"

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Re: [nlug] Re: After the Meeting Tonight

[Bill Woody]

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>> OK. If I understand correctly, I am not allowed to apply politics,
>> religion or text editors to my views lest someone prove their ability to
>> cuss?
>>
>
> You forgot the fact that you are not allowed to complain or draw attention
> to the fact that these topics are off limits.
>
> ;-)
>
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But ... but ... but...

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Re: [nlug] Re: After the Meeting Tonight

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On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Raymond wrote:

> I am so greatly ashamed none of you have mentioned nano.
>
> On Dec 15, 8:36 pm, Andrew Farnsworth  wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Greg Donald  wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
> > > > I agree... Lets drop the politics, it just raises my blood pressure.
> >
> > > > vi beats   emacs
> >
> > > > Now for religious debates!
> >
> > > alias vi='/usr/bin/emacs'
> >
> > mv /usr/bin/emacs /usr/bin/emacs_binary
> > ln /usr/bin/vi /usr/bin/emacs
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Re: [nlug] [OT] Monitor Recommendations

[Bill Woody]

Check the warranty. Samsung has been my first choice for so long I have not
checked ot lately. Samsung is also the big dog in the flat screen
manufacturer scale.
I never owned a Viewsonic flattie but, I liked their CRTs a lot. They seemed
to be tougher than a cheap steak! I hope to hear that carried over to the
new stuff.

Read the warranties carefully. There are differences in the 'replacement'
clauses that you may not like.

Bill

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote:

> Looking to buy a new monitor and was wondering if anyone has any
> recommendations.
>
> Criteria:
>I have three computers I would like to plug in, two at once is pretty
> essential, the 3rd is a "nice to have" rather than a "must have".
>22" - 27" class (as they put it nowadays)
>1920 x 1200 resolution or greater.  Question: do HDMI connections
> support resolutions greater than 1920 x 1080 (1080p) ?
>TV tuner : Another "Nice to have" especially if it has a
> Picture-in-Picture feature... Alternatively, I might get either a TV Tuner
> card for the computer or a separate TV.
>Must have a stand, not sit on the desk.  I'm tall, I need my monitor up
> at least a few inches from the desk surface, but many of these "all-in-one"
> computer and now some monitors have changed over to "picture frame" format
> and just sit on the desk.
>2ms response time - 5 ms would be ok, but 2 ms is better as I do play a
> few games on it.
>USB 2.0 hub - would be nice, not required.
>I'm not a graphic designer or anything that requires 100% accurate color
> but do want a crisp sharp image.
>
> Anything else anyone can think of would be nice.
>
> Monitors I am considering:
>
> ASUS VW266H Black 25.5"
> ASUS VK246H Black 24"
> Viewsonic VX2439wm 24"
> Samsung PX2370 23"
>
> Don't limit yourself to these though as I am open to pretty much any brand
> or monitor.
>
> Andy
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Re: [nlug] Secondary for Email

[Bill Woody]

Charlie,

If your mail server is taking a little break and not accepting mail, most
email will sit in cue at the sender's 'normally configured' server and try
to send again.
Personally, if I am the reciever I'd like to know someone sent me a message
which my server didn't process. Tuffmail would be great for this. On the
other hand, if I am the sender I might wish to know the mail is delayed so I
can determine if I want to use an alternative method to contact the person.
On the third hand, I am a little different.

When you were using Tuffmail did it warn of a delay in the mail you sent?

Bill

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, charlie  wrote:

> I've used Tuffmail relay in the past when our company email was hosted
> on an unreliable comcast business connection. The email will sit on
> their servers until your server is back online and ready to receive.
>
> -Charlie
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
> > My home domain, coats.org , sometimes has email returned that is sent to
> us
> > and the sender gets a 'non-deliverable' message.
> > One option is to find a secondary email server.  Does anyone around here
> do
> > email secondaries cheap or free?
> > Overall, I like my service, but this is bugging my wife so it becomes a
> > priority for a solution for me!
> >><> ... Jack
> > Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23
> >
> > fax: 630-214-5954  g-voice: 615-746-7104 to leave a message
> > Win more eBay bids .. "
> http://www.ezsniper.com/refimg.php3?user=servant74";
> > Online Backup .. http://www.drbackup.net?pid=Coats
> > Free Backup if you have 2 or more computers .. http://crashplan.com for
> win,
> > mac, lin
> > 2G Free storage online - email me directly for link
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Re: [nlug] Secondary for Email

[Bill Woody]

Pardon me for interjecting suggestions without knowing the true nature of
your mail problem. However, I may not have net access for the rest of the
weekend. They said I would but, I have heard it is big problem. Since I do
not know and I want your wife to be happy

1. Coats.org MX is blacklisted by backscatterer.org
If this is the reason your mail is returned you will need to beat your mail
server into submission.

2. The MX IP is not allocated to you.
Some ISPs will not accept email from domains controlling less than a c.
If this is the reason for your problem your upstream provider can make you
very happy. I think any dns wiz controlling a /24 can solve your problem. If
they are unfamiliar with the in-addrs process it may require a little more
effort.

Bill

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> I've used Tuffmail relay in the past when our company email was hosted
> on an unreliable comcast business connection. The email will sit on
> their servers until your server is back online and ready to receive.
>
> -Charlie
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
> > My home domain, coats.org , sometimes has email returned that is sent to
> us
> > and the sender gets a 'non-deliverable' message.
> > One option is to find a secondary email server.  Does anyone around here
> do
> > email secondaries cheap or free?
> > Overall, I like my service, but this is bugging my wife so it becomes a
> > priority for a solution for me!
> >><> ... Jack
> > Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23
> >
> > fax: 630-214-5954  g-voice: 615-746-7104 to leave a message
> > Win more eBay bids .. "
> http://www.ezsniper.com/refimg.php3?user=servant74";
> > Online Backup .. http://www.drbackup.net?pid=Coats
> > Free Backup if you have 2 or more computers .. http://crashplan.com for
> win,
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> > 2G Free storage online - email me directly for link
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Re: [nlug] Secondary for Email

[Bill Woody]

Why is the mail not deliverable?


On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, charlie  wrote:

> I've used Tuffmail relay in the past when our company email was hosted
> on an unreliable comcast business connection. The email will sit on
> their servers until your server is back online and ready to receive.
>
> -Charlie
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Jack Coats  wrote:
> > My home domain, coats.org , sometimes has email returned that is sent to
> us
> > and the sender gets a 'non-deliverable' message.
> > One option is to find a secondary email server.  Does anyone around here
> do
> > email secondaries cheap or free?
> > Overall, I like my service, but this is bugging my wife so it becomes a
> > priority for a solution for me!
> >><> ... Jack
> > Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart... Colossians 3:23
> >
> > fax: 630-214-5954  g-voice: 615-746-7104 to leave a message
> > Win more eBay bids .. "
> http://www.ezsniper.com/refimg.php3?user=servant74";
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Re: [nlug] [OT] Thorium reactor with LFT Reactor as a viable nuclear

[Bill Woody]

I'm sorry but, you should have...

You see my but now, right?


On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:00 PM,  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> On Aug 12, 2010, at 5:14 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
> Rich is correct. I stepped over the line. I never get upset or lose it, yet
> I did. I hope Andrew will accept my "no but" apology.
>
> I've never heard of a no but apology, but sure.
>
> I think we are talking about two totally different things
>
> Andrew
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Re: [nlug] [OT] Thorium reactor with LFT Reactor as a viable nuclear

[Bill Woody]

Rich is correct. I stepped over the line. I never get upset or lose it, yet
I did. I hope Andrew will accept my "no but" apology.

Bill Woody

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Re: [nlug] [OT] Thorium reactor with LFT Reactor as a viable nuclear

[Bill Woody]

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:46 PM, andrew mcelroy  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
> > Y'all already know we can't continue down the current path. Why continue
> > with nuclear energy? It is like riding a tiger. Eventually things go
> wrong.
>
> Did you not watch the video?
> It's vastly more safe than the current nuclear paradigm.
>

Am I supposed to believe it because it was on a video?



> Saying things eventually go wrong is like saying why bother with
> computers, things
> eventually go wrong. There is risk in anything.
> I'd like to see 1 gigawatt hydrogen plant be anywhere close to as safe
> as a LFTR plant.
>

If something goes wrong with my computer, my back up will take care of me.
If the nuclear plant ... Oh. No biggie. FEMA.


>
> Actually, I'd settle for seeing a 1 gigawatt hydrogen plant in the first
> place.
>

Then you have missed the point again.


>
> > Hydrogen is like vatamin c. It is easy to produce. Would it be easier to
> > improve the efficiency of photovoltaic cells or build nuclear power
> plants
> > to use Thorium?
> There is a hard limit to any kind of battery or cell.
> This hard limit is imposed by chemistry. To mutilate Clinton's '92 slogan:
> "It's the energy density, stupid."
>

What has that got to do with ... Damn! I just realised I am dancing for a
troll!


>
> This is why for now oil has remained king.
> Oil is very energy dense. In fact more so than nearly anything else.
>
> > There will not be as much money in producing H. Everybody will have a
> little
> > H gernerator on top of the garage. Part of the H produced could with the
> > help of the photo cells liquify H and viola! Stored energy.
>
> As much as I'd love a future that is distributed that didn't require a
> grid,
> It seems about as realistic as teleportation.
>

I cannot believe you are that slow. Carefully read the part Where I
suggested no grid.


>
> >
> > When the Sun feeds your hot water heater and your furnace, burning fossil
> > fuels for electricity will go out of style.
>
> I'd like to see this on a large scale.
> >
> > Oh. My favorite part. Because liquid H in a fuel tank is more a
> prescription
> > for disaster than gasoline, I see huge improvements in the human gene
> pool.
> > What's not to like?
>
> Everything.
>

 Huge improvements. Really, huge.

Andrew McElroy



>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:51 AM, andrew mcelroy 
wrote:
>>
>> Yeah,
>>
>> This is way off topic, but a few months back I was speaking with
>> someone who was into green technologies.
>>
>> I never did quiet catch his name, but he seemed puzzled why I was big
>> on promoting Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors as
>> the future of nuclear.
>>
>> Here is a IEEE spectrum article (the links the article has as
>> resources are even better) which make the case better than I could.
>> I am not a nuclear physicist nor engineer. The people cited in this
>> IEEE article are.
>>
>>
>>
http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/is-thorium-the-nuclear-fuel-of-the-future
>>
>> This video is specifically useful in explaining the LFTR position:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUeBSoEnRk
>>
>> I'll spare you the election literature that I have had up for sometime
>> for a particular candidate in regards to this technology.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Andrew McElroy
>>
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Re: [nlug] [OT] Thorium reactor with LFT Reactor as a viable nuclear

[Bill Woody]

I was not suggesting photovoltaic cells to make steam to strip natural gas.
Of course, it would be cleaner than current fossil fuel uses. Electrodes
have been produced in the last two years much improving the degradation.
Also there has been success with an alkaline electrolytic solution. If you
are using the energy of the sun there is no problem with efficiency unless I
am missing something.

The real problem and inefficiency is liquification of H.



On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Andrew Farnsworth wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>> Y'all already know we can't continue down the current path. Why continue
>> with nuclear energy? It is like riding a tiger. Eventually things go wrong.
>> Hydrogen is like vatamin c. It is easy to produce. Would it be easier to
>> improve the efficiency of photovoltaic cells or build nuclear power plants
>> to use Thorium?
>>
>> There will not be as much money in producing H. Everybody will have a
>> little H gernerator on top of the garage. Part of the H produced could with
>> the help of the photo cells liquify H and viola! Stored energy.
>>
>> When the Sun feeds your hot water heater and your furnace, burning fossil
>> fuels for electricity will go out of style.
>>
>> Oh. My favorite part. Because liquid H in a fuel tank is more a
>> prescription for disaster than gasoline, I see huge improvements in the
>> human gene pool.
>>
>> What's not to like?
>>
>>
> Hmm, so H is easy to produce?  I think you need to recheck that.  Yes, we
> have electrolysis but it is very inefficient so far and there are other
> issues like degradation of the electrodes.  The best way we have to produce
> H is to strip it from Hydrocarbons... whoops there we are right back at
> fossil fuels.
>
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Re: [nlug] [OT] Thorium reactor with LFT Reactor as a viable nuclear

[Bill Woody]

Y'all already know we can't continue down the current path. Why continue
with nuclear energy? It is like riding a tiger. Eventually things go wrong.
Hydrogen is like vatamin c. It is easy to produce. Would it be easier to
improve the efficiency of photovoltaic cells or build nuclear power plants
to use Thorium?

There will not be as much money in producing H. Everybody will have a little
H gernerator on top of the garage. Part of the H produced could with the
help of the photo cells liquify H and viola! Stored energy.

When the Sun feeds your hot water heater and your furnace, burning fossil
fuels for electricity will go out of style.

Oh. My favorite part. Because liquid H in a fuel tank is more a prescription
for disaster than gasoline, I see huge improvements in the human gene pool.

What's not to like?




On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:51 AM, andrew mcelroy  wrote:

> Yeah,
>
> This is way off topic, but a few months back I was speaking with
> someone who was into green technologies.
>
> I never did quiet catch his name, but he seemed puzzled why I was big
> on promoting Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors as
> the future of nuclear.
>
> Here is a IEEE spectrum article (the links the article has as
> resources are even better) which make the case better than I could.
> I am not a nuclear physicist nor engineer. The people cited in this
> IEEE article are.
>
>
> http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/is-thorium-the-nuclear-fuel-of-the-future
>
> This video is specifically useful in explaining the LFTR position:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWUeBSoEnRk
>
> I'll spare you the election literature that I have had up for sometime
> for a particular candidate in regards to this technology.
>
> Respectfully,
> Andrew McElroy
>
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Re: [nlug] linux trojan FUD

[Bill Woody]

Yes. It is at the bottom again.
(snipped)

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Asbestos underwear comes to mind for some reason.

W.

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Re: [nlug] linux trojan FUD

[Bill Woody]

I thnk DEFCON is the other way around. DEFCON one is really, really bad
news; An attack is imminent. DEFCON 5 is a normal peacetime defense
condition.

W

On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Chris Faulkner wrote:

> I had sent an email to the author of that article, here it is:
>
> "Just wanted to say that your article seemed, at least to me, more
> shock based.  True, that version of Unreal ircD had a "trojan"
> backdoor inside, but with any OS, regardless, these backdoors can be
> written in at anytime by anyone.  This doesn't classify itself as a
> "Trojan", this is more of someone out there wanted to put something in
> it to gain control of a server whenever someone used this daemon.
> Unreal ircD is usually not the ircD of choice so it looks to me this
> is more of a VERY limited backdoor intended to attack a very small
> (and i mean VERY small) percentage of server admins.  This is not
> something that would affect a server by looking at a web page or
> something of that nature.  So can you please tone down the article to
> at least defcon 1 instead of defcon 4 or 5 please.. :)"
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Re: [nlug] June LinuxFest poster

[Bill Woody]

Please find post at bottom. I'm just trying it out, once. I might not feel
right about it.

On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> Poster, flyer, flier - one of those.  It's available as a JPEG or as a
> PDF, 300 DPI for printing on letter stock.
>
> Curt
>
> http://www.curtlundgren.com/linuxfest-0610.jpg - approx. 900 kB
> http://www.curtlundgren.com/linuxfest-0610.pdf - 2.5 MB
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Outstanding poster, flyer, flier, bill, etc.
It really is good. If I ever get married again, you have got to do the
invitations!

W

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Re: [nlug] Big Clock

[Bill Woody]

Enzyte.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM, j...@coats.org  wrote:

> I thought I saw a 'big LED clock' on ThinkGeek or somewhere but I
> can't find the link now.
>
> It has something like 12" tall digits.  Does anyone know where to find it?
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Re: Re: [nlug] top posting - bottom posting

[Bill Woody]

It brings tears to my eyes.
I can see now. I was so wrong. I need help. I will go to seek help tomorrow.
I'll just make a post-it note and put it on bottom.

Life can be so serious.

W

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:05 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 10:47:40AM -0500, Chris McQuistion wrote:
> > Bottom-posting may be "correct" in some people's opinion, but look at
> > it this way.  How do 99% of the email users in the US reply to emails?
> >  Top posting.
>
> Being in the majority by no means makes it "right".  We in this
>country have a long precedent of electing *bad* politicians for
>multiple terms in office.  Does this make that action "right"
>since it requires a majority?  No, of course it doesn't.
>
>Top posting ruins the flow of the standard English written
>language and makes following conversation topics awkward, at best.
>A classic example of this is the following section:
>
>A: Yes.
>> Q: Are you sure?
>> > A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>> > > Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
>> > > > A: Top-posting.
>> > > > > Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
>
>As you can see the above makes absolutely no sense whatsoever
>and makes following the topic next to impossible. Why should I,
>as a recipient of a message, be forced to mentally re-order that?
>My time is valuable and forcing me to have top spend more than
>necessary while reading a mail reply is inconsiderate.
>
>And while *some* clients may have the ability of putting that back
>together in the proper order they are by no means in the majority
>and they are dependent upon proper headers being present which,
>even in this day and age, is never a sure bet.
>
>I really don't understand why this continues to even be discussed
>when it is clearly plain to see that out-of-order quotes makes
>deciphering mail replies a chore.  I continue to believe that
>people defending the use of top-posting are just defending
>laziness; it's "easy" to top-post and it requires slightly
>more effort to bottom-post.  That is, quite honestly; the only
>justification I can see in all this.
>
>What you care to do in your personal / business e-mail
>correspondence is entirely your choice; but to top-post in a
>public forum such as a mailing list is nothing short of rude to
>all members of that list.  And speaking of lists: I am on well
>over 100 different mailing lists; and in the *vast* majority
>of those lists top-posting is officially frowned upon and in a
>smaller majority it is strictly against the rules.
>
>And now a personal request:
>
>Is there any chance that you (and everyone else, not trying
>to single you out here, Chris) might be able to spend the 20
>additional seconds required to trim down your replies to include
>only that which is pertinent to the discussion at hand?  This is
>yet another reason the top-posting is bad; excessive waste of
>computing resources passing around and storing large amounts of
>unneeded and untrimmed text.  Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
>John
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Re: Re: [nlug] top posting - bottom posting

[Bill Woody]

Everyone is speeding and you are doing the posted limit. That is deviant
behaviour. Sociology 101.
If everyone (or most) are donning uniforms and going to Southeast Asia to
kill women, children, and vertically challenged farmers while you stay home
burning your draft card and feeling up Jane Fonda... you are the deviant.
However, when we find the less-than-human-vermin scrolling to the bottom of
messages to see what was written there instead of looking at the top like
the rest of us, we will send you off to jail where we will re-educate you
and possibly use you for target practice.

Last time I looked, people can post wherever they wish.

If you are a bottom posting Nazi, join me in rehab. I was once a
grammar/spelling bully. Now I am more relaxed and almost a pleasure to be
around. I don't even use spellcheckers any longer.
If you will just take a deep breath and relax it will all be OK. You can
come by my place. We can have a glass of wine. I'll go in the back and slip
into something more comfortable and return with a rubber hose and beat you
into submission you dirty little bottom poster!!!

W

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Greg Donald  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Chris McQuistion
>  wrote:
> > Bottom-posting may be "correct" in some people's opinion, but look at
> > it this way.  How do 99% of the email users in the US reply to emails?
> >  Top posting.
>
> A. This is the answer.
>
> > Q. What was the question?
>
> It's pretty simple to see the problem.  English is read top to bottom.
>  I don't want to have to scroll to the bottom of an email to figure
> out the question or context for the answer or reply I just read.
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Re: [nlug] top posting - bottom posting

[Bill Woody]

OK. Y'all straighten up. One of the other posters was right. A thousand
years from now people will be reading the meanderings of NLUG before it
bacame the beginnings of a world takeover and see how it all began.
If anyone gives you grief for top posting, just let them know the voices in
your head are beginning to talk about punishing the grief stricken bottom
poster. Having said that, I would like to point out bottom poster sounds
oddly sexual.
I have to go now. The voices have changed the subject.

W

On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Jack  wrote:

> Since most of us have 'threading' email readers, why keep the 'old
> posts' in your email at all unless you are going to reference quotes
> in them?
>
> It is just another waste of bandwidth as is 'Rich formatting' or
> whatever your email reader calls 'fancy fonts and formatting'.
>
> Not that we are going to change the world, ... our only solution is to
> do what we can with what we have and attempt to influence others.
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Re: [nlug] Re: Surviving the move to Windows from Linux

[Bill Woody]

For the life of me I cannot understand you people.
Poor Don comes to us for help and you put band aids on his wounds. Don's
bosses are under the influence of some evil cult.
There are organisations around the country ready to kidnap his bosses and
take them to a secret location to be deprogrammed.
You hang in there Don. As soon as the B-Team sobers up they will be on the
way. That's right, man. The B-Team is on the way. In no time the B-Team will
have your bosses drunk and dancing nekkid around a camp fire. With the right
pictures of that your bosses will not care what OS makes you happy.

Bill


On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Don Delp  wrote:

> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Drew  wrote:
> >
> > Oh man, I really did ruin you when I let everyone run whatever they
> wanted
> > on their desktop at EC didn't I? :)
> >
>
> I tell you what, it's bizarre now, working in a place where Windows is the
> norm.
> I had been impressed with the dualscreen in win7, but I just tested in
> Kubuntu 10.04 and it was just as easy.  On top of that, it prompted me
> to install Flash, mp3, etc.
> (Of course, I promptly wrecked it by upgrading my nvidia driver,
> turning on desktop effects, and trying to fine tune resolutions for
> both screens at the same time. )
>
> Seeing all of the new eye candy that's available in Linux is making
> the transition even less fun.  Even KDE 4 isn't looking that bad
> anymore (from the first 20 minutes).
>
> Thanks for the suggestions, everybody.  I might be able to get through
> this crisis.  :)
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Re: [nlug] new members

[Bill Woody]

Funny you should mention NLUG U. I thought about that but, I don't see it
bringing in new members barely aware of Linux. Many of them are unaware of
LUGs. I DO think it would be an excellent way to attract some *nix folks
already aware of the NLUG.

For newbies maybe a concise introduction with explanations of the pitfalls.
A link to the manuals of various flavors would be handy. Of course, there
will be the question, "Which one is right for me?" Hmmm. Strengths and
weaknesses of each flavor.
Surely someone has experience in a variety of different distros and the
willingness to write it down.

Awkward?

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Re: [nlug] new members

[Bill Woody]

Aggressive marketing campaign? I was thinking flyers at a few college
computer labs.

As for whatever happened to...
I agree with your relish but, we now live in a world filled with instant
gratification requirements.

Yes. Word of mouth is very contagious. I got mono that way.

Being privvy to the experiences of others was instrumental in my Linux
education. I see the value. Getting new members will expand those
experiences for us draw upon.

Bill

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[nlug] new members

[Bill Woody]

I was thinking recently about how NLUG might appeal to some new member
prospects.

Marketing people will usually point their efforts toward the most likely
prospects. You will rarely see Enzyte advertised on the Lifetime Channel.
You will almost never see Minoxidil advertised at the NHRA Winternationals.
Where are the Linux users and prospective user/members?

There are eight million colleges in and around Nashville. It is entirely
possible some of them offer computer science classes. Many are offering
courses turning our children to the dark side. Asking an
instructor/department head if they will allow "this flyer" to be posted will
begin to stir interest in both Linux and NLUG.

For this to have the best chance of working well, look among your ranks for
a member with an advertising graphics background. There are little 'tricks'
to make a flyer more effective.

The conversation with the college person might get a few announcements made
in computer science classes. Doing a little homework might find some common
ground and, "Wow! Would you be willing to come to one of our meetings and
give a short presentation on that?"

If you decide to do this, start with a few mid-level colleges and measure
your results. Learn what works before... think system administration.

Finally, remember to keep a carrot dangled. What is the benefit for coming
once and what is the benefit for coming back. I believe this is the make or
break category. (I'm sure some of you have been to a local Cisco Users Group
meeting.)

I hope this helps,
Bill

PS. Having CLEAR directions to the meeting room would be handy. G. "This
is the Directions to MCN D2221, our old meeting place "Do not consider
trying to get new members until someone can figure out CLEAR directions.
I was so impressed to see maps and pictures. Then I looked at the map.
Worse, I read the directions...
>From Cool Hand Luke:
"What we've got here is a failure to communicate."

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Re: [nlug] [OT] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

Wait. I might change my vote if the NRA or tobacco sends money.
I would be in favor of dropping the thread since we have covered everything
except for those subjects unfit for ladies.


On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:

> I vote no and sometimes. (Send the latter to committee for further study.)
> Do I hear a second?
>
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:44 PM, JMJ  wrote:
>
>> How about we label any further messages in this thread as OT?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> And holy crap, does anyone trim the quotes anymore?  geez!
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Re: [nlug] [OT] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

I vote no and sometimes. (Send the latter to committee for further study.)
Do I hear a second?

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>
> Thanks.
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Re: [nlug] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

It appears you are trying to send a coded message about Chris.
I mentioned moonwalking and grabbing then you mentioned workday costumes and
command line orientation.
You are trying to tell us Chris is a cross-dresser and has commanded you to
join him line dancing.
This is bad. If you think He looks nice in a dress, people will talk about
you. (It may be too late.) If you think he looks bad in his little black
dress, at least you will not have to worry about the line dancing.

May Tux have mercy on your soul.


On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> I NEVER talk about work-day costumes.  NEVER.  My supervisor is the most
> command-line oriented person I have ever met.
>
> Period.
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>> Or they have dogs on the asteroid.
>>
>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Curt Lundgren wrote:
>>
>>>  You're saying the snow is ammonia scented?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Chris McQuistion <
>>> cmcquist...@watkins.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For some reason, this thread is reminding me of Jonathan Coulton's
>>>> "Chiron Beta Prime":
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/Chiron%20Beta%20Prime
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/Chiron%20Beta%20Prime>*Did
>>>> I say overlords? I meant protectors. *
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Curt Lundgren wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Let's get this discussion back on an even keel.  All hail our new
>>>>> tyrannical overlords!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> (The fact that Chris is my boss has nothing to do with this post.)
>>>>>
>>>>> (Really.  Nothing.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Really.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Nothing.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All hail our new overlords!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Bill Woody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Excellent!
>>>>>> Somehow, I suspect the treasury will be emptied in no time. Then will
>>>>>> come talk of taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Curt Lundgren wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "ofcourse" Joe Biden could do just "aswell"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Bill Woody wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> infact?OMG! Dan Quayle is BACK!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Say it isn't SO!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, andrew mcelroy <
>>>>>>>> sophri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bill Woody 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > An impeachment may be in order. I am sure many members had no
>>>>>>>>> idea he is
>>>>>>>>> > Sithy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This ofcourse all depends on what the definition of is, infact is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Bill
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andrew mcelroy <
>>>>>>>>> sophri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Chris McQuistion
>>>>>>>>> >>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> > Fortunately, they did not discover my secret allegiance to the
>>>>>>>>> Sith or
>>>>>>>>> >> > my
>>>>>>>>> >> > plan to dominate the galaxy and establish a new galactic
>>>>>>>>> empire.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> We came close. I did ask to see the long form versio

Re: [nlug] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

Or they have dogs on the asteroid.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> You're saying the snow is ammonia scented?
>
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Chris McQuistion  > wrote:
>
>> For some reason, this thread is reminding me of Jonathan Coulton's "Chiron
>> Beta Prime":
>>
>> http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/Chiron%20Beta%20Prime
>>
>> <http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/Chiron%20Beta%20Prime>*Did I
>> say overlords? I meant protectors. *
>> *
>> *
>>
>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Curt Lundgren wrote:
>>
>>>  Let's get this discussion back on an even keel.  All hail our new
>>> tyrannical overlords!!!
>>>
>>> (The fact that Chris is my boss has nothing to do with this post.)
>>>
>>> (Really.  Nothing.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (Really.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (Nothing.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All hail our new overlords!!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Bill Woody wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excellent!
>>>> Somehow, I suspect the treasury will be emptied in no time. Then will
>>>> come talk of taxes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Curt Lundgren wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "ofcourse" Joe Biden could do just "aswell"
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Bill Woody wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> infact?OMG! Dan Quayle is BACK!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Say it isn't SO!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, andrew mcelroy 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bill Woody 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > An impeachment may be in order. I am sure many members had no idea
>>>>>>> he is
>>>>>>> > Sithy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This ofcourse all depends on what the definition of is, infact is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Bill
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andrew mcelroy <
>>>>>>> sophri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Chris McQuistion
>>>>>>> >>  wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > Fortunately, they did not discover my secret allegiance to the
>>>>>>> Sith or
>>>>>>> >> > my
>>>>>>> >> > plan to dominate the galaxy and establish a new galactic empire.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> We came close. I did ask to see the long form version of his birth
>>>>>>> >> certificate.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Andrew M
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> > The new NLUG officers are:
>>>>>>> >> > Chris McQuistion: President
>>>>>>> >> > Howard White: Vice President
>>>>>>> >> > Andrew McElroy: Treasurer
>>>>>>> >> > John Eldredge: Secretary
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Bill Woody <
>>>>>>> woody39...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Well... Did you get elected or did they discover at the last
>>>>>>> moment (as
>>>>>>> >> >> I
>>>>>>> >> >> have long suspected) you are a commie spy bent on world
>>>>>>> domination by
>>>>>>> >> >> way of
>>>>>>> >> >> a LUG?
>>>>>>> >> >> Who else was elected or arrested?
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Bill
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >>

Re: [nlug] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

Is it true Chris moonwalks in the halls? (Everyone already knows about his
crotch-grabbing.)
Is it just me or is no one talking about Howard or John? Well, well, well.

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Chris McQuistion
wrote:

> For some reason, this thread is reminding me of Jonathan Coulton's "Chiron
> Beta Prime":
>
> http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/Chiron%20Beta%20Prime
>
> <http://www.jonathancoulton.com/songdetails/Chiron%20Beta%20Prime>*Did I
> say overlords? I meant protectors. *
> *
> *
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:
>
>> Let's get this discussion back on an even keel.  All hail our new
>> tyrannical overlords!!!
>>
>> (The fact that Chris is my boss has nothing to do with this post.)
>>
>> (Really.  Nothing.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (Really.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (Nothing.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All hail our new overlords!!!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent!
>>> Somehow, I suspect the treasury will be emptied in no time. Then will
>>> come talk of taxes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Curt Lundgren wrote:
>>>
>>>> "ofcourse" Joe Biden could do just "aswell"
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Bill Woody wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> infact?OMG! Dan Quayle is BACK!
>>>>>
>>>>> Say it isn't SO!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, andrew mcelroy 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bill Woody 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > An impeachment may be in order. I am sure many members had no idea
>>>>>> he is
>>>>>> > Sithy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This ofcourse all depends on what the definition of is, infact is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Bill
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andrew mcelroy <
>>>>>> sophri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Chris McQuistion
>>>>>> >>  wrote:
>>>>>> >> > Fortunately, they did not discover my secret allegiance to the
>>>>>> Sith or
>>>>>> >> > my
>>>>>> >> > plan to dominate the galaxy and establish a new galactic empire.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> We came close. I did ask to see the long form version of his birth
>>>>>> >> certificate.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Andrew M
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > The new NLUG officers are:
>>>>>> >> > Chris McQuistion: President
>>>>>> >> > Howard White: Vice President
>>>>>> >> > Andrew McElroy: Treasurer
>>>>>> >> > John Eldredge: Secretary
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Bill Woody <
>>>>>> woody39...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> > wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Well... Did you get elected or did they discover at the last
>>>>>> moment (as
>>>>>> >> >> I
>>>>>> >> >> have long suspected) you are a commie spy bent on world
>>>>>> domination by
>>>>>> >> >> way of
>>>>>> >> >> a LUG?
>>>>>> >> >> Who else was elected or arrested?
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Bill
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Chris McQuistion
>>>>>> >> >>  wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>>
>>>>>> >> >>> Just a friendly reminder that tonight is our monthly NLUG
>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>> >> >>>  Pleas

Re: [nlug] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

Excellent!
Somehow, I suspect the treasury will be emptied in no time. Then will come
talk of taxes.


On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> "ofcourse" Joe Biden could do just "aswell"
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>> infact?OMG! Dan Quayle is BACK!
>>
>> Say it isn't SO!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, andrew mcelroy wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bill Woody 
>>> wrote:
>>> > An impeachment may be in order. I am sure many members had no idea he
>>> is
>>> > Sithy.
>>>
>>> This ofcourse all depends on what the definition of is, infact is.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>> >
>>> > Bill
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andrew mcelroy 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Chris McQuistion
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >> > Fortunately, they did not discover my secret allegiance to the Sith
>>> or
>>> >> > my
>>> >> > plan to dominate the galaxy and establish a new galactic empire.
>>> >>
>>> >> We came close. I did ask to see the long form version of his birth
>>> >> certificate.
>>> >>
>>> >> Andrew M
>>> >>
>>> >> > The new NLUG officers are:
>>> >> > Chris McQuistion: President
>>> >> > Howard White: Vice President
>>> >> > Andrew McElroy: Treasurer
>>> >> > John Eldredge: Secretary
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Bill Woody 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Well... Did you get elected or did they discover at the last moment
>>> (as
>>> >> >> I
>>> >> >> have long suspected) you are a commie spy bent on world domination
>>> by
>>> >> >> way of
>>> >> >> a LUG?
>>> >> >> Who else was elected or arrested?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Bill
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Chris McQuistion
>>> >> >>  wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Just a friendly reminder that tonight is our monthly NLUG meeting.
>>> >> >>>  Please go to www.nlug.org for more information and directions.
>>> >> >>> As a reminder, annual NLUG Officer elections will take place at
>>> >> >>> tonight's
>>> >> >>> meeting. If you want to vote, don't miss this meeting! If you
>>> would
>>> >> >>> like to
>>> >> >>> nominate a member for an officer position, please post it to the
>>> NLUG
>>> >> >>> mailing list or bring your nomination to tonight's meeting.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Chris
>>> >> >>>
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Re: [nlug] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

infact?OMG! Dan Quayle is BACK!

Say it isn't SO!

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:16 PM, andrew mcelroy  wrote:

> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
> > An impeachment may be in order. I am sure many members had no idea he is
> > Sithy.
>
> This ofcourse all depends on what the definition of is, infact is.
>
> Andrew
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andrew mcelroy 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Chris McQuistion
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Fortunately, they did not discover my secret allegiance to the Sith or
> >> > my
> >> > plan to dominate the galaxy and establish a new galactic empire.
> >>
> >> We came close. I did ask to see the long form version of his birth
> >> certificate.
> >>
> >> Andrew M
> >>
> >> > The new NLUG officers are:
> >> > Chris McQuistion: President
> >> > Howard White: Vice President
> >> > Andrew McElroy: Treasurer
> >> > John Eldredge: Secretary
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Bill Woody 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Well... Did you get elected or did they discover at the last moment
> (as
> >> >> I
> >> >> have long suspected) you are a commie spy bent on world domination by
> >> >> way of
> >> >> a LUG?
> >> >> Who else was elected or arrested?
> >> >>
> >> >> Bill
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Chris McQuistion
> >> >>  wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Just a friendly reminder that tonight is our monthly NLUG meeting.
> >> >>>  Please go to www.nlug.org for more information and directions.
> >> >>> As a reminder, annual NLUG Officer elections will take place at
> >> >>> tonight's
> >> >>> meeting. If you want to vote, don't miss this meeting! If you would
> >> >>> like to
> >> >>> nominate a member for an officer position, please post it to the
> NLUG
> >> >>> mailing list or bring your nomination to tonight's meeting.
> >> >>>
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Re: [nlug] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

An impeachment may be in order. I am sure many members had no idea he is
Sithy.

Bill

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM, andrew mcelroy  wrote:

> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Chris McQuistion
>  wrote:
> > Fortunately, they did not discover my secret allegiance to the Sith or my
> > plan to dominate the galaxy and establish a new galactic empire.
>
> We came close. I did ask to see the long form version of his birth
> certificate.
>
> Andrew M
>
> > The new NLUG officers are:
> > Chris McQuistion: President
> > Howard White: Vice President
> > Andrew McElroy: Treasurer
> > John Eldredge: Secretary
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Bill Woody 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well... Did you get elected or did they discover at the last moment (as
> I
> >> have long suspected) you are a commie spy bent on world domination by
> way of
> >> a LUG?
> >> Who else was elected or arrested?
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Chris McQuistion
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just a friendly reminder that tonight is our monthly NLUG meeting.
> >>>  Please go to www.nlug.org for more information and directions.
> >>> As a reminder, annual NLUG Officer elections will take place at
> tonight's
> >>> meeting. If you want to vote, don't miss this meeting! If you would
> like to
> >>> nominate a member for an officer position, please post it to the NLUG
> >>> mailing list or bring your nomination to tonight's meeting.
> >>>
> >>> Chris
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Re: [nlug] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

Congratulations and I wish you the very best of luck.
I am certain you will do good.

I was unaware of your sithness yet, I have tried to quell the rumour you
burned your bra at an anti-Windows rally.
It must be the Sithness.

Bill


On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Chris McQuistion
wrote:

> Fortunately, they did not discover my secret allegiance to the Sith or my
> plan to dominate the galaxy and establish a new galactic empire.
>
> The new NLUG officers are:
>
> Chris McQuistion: President
> Howard White: Vice President
> Andrew McElroy: Treasurer
> John Eldredge: Secretary
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>> Well... Did you get elected or did they discover at the last moment (as I
>> have long suspected) you are a commie spy bent on world domination by way of
>> a LUG?
>> Who else was elected or arrested?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Chris McQuistion <
>> cmcquist...@watkins.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>  Just a friendly reminder that tonight is our monthly NLUG meeting.
>>>  Please go to www.nlug.org for more information and directions.
>>>
>>> As a reminder, annual NLUG Officer elections will take place at
>>> tonight's meeting. If you want to vote, don't miss this meeting! If you
>>> would like to nominate a member for an officer position, please post it to
>>> the NLUG mailing list or bring your nomination to tonight's meeting.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
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Re: [nlug] NLUG Meeting tonight

[Bill Woody]

Well... Did you get elected or did they discover at the last moment (as I
have long suspected) you are a commie spy bent on world domination by way of
a LUG?
Who else was elected or arrested?

Bill


On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Chris McQuistion
wrote:

> Just a friendly reminder that tonight is our monthly NLUG meeting.  Please
> go to www.nlug.org for more information and directions.
>
> As a reminder, annual NLUG Officer elections will take place at tonight's
> meeting. If you want to vote, don't miss this meeting! If you would like to
> nominate a member for an officer position, please post it to the NLUG
> mailing list or bring your nomination to tonight's meeting.
>
> Chris
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Re: [nlug] Incoming President

[Bill Woody]

I wonder how many are aware he is not really Black? It is true. Furthermore
one of his advisors is Howard White. Coincidence? No way!

There is more but, I hesitate to make revelations about a man wearing
double-sided tape on his fingers when the collection plate comes around.

Bill


On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> Oh, I could tell you some stories
>
> Curt
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>> Noting how quiet the group is, I guess the rumors about Chris McQ are
>> swirling in the background.
>> Glenn Beck is gonna' be all over this.
>>
>> Bill W
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[nlug] Incoming President

[Bill Woody]

Noting how quiet the group is, I guess the rumors about Chris McQ are
swirling in the background.
Glenn Beck is gonna' be all over this.

Bill W

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Re: [nlug] 2010 - 2011 Office Nominations - Election Information

[Bill Woody]

Excellent slate!

On 4/16/10, Kevin Eldridge  wrote:
> Hello NLUG,
>
> At this months meeting, we had officer nominations from 17 NLUG members. The
> term for Officers runs from June 2010 - May 2011. I have thoroughly enjoyed
> my time as President of Nashville Linux Users Group. However, it is time for
> most of the current Officers to step down and allow new leadership to take
> over and lead/grow the group.
>
> The current list of Officers will not be continuing their service after May
> 2010:
>
> President: Kevin Eldridge
> Vice President: Russ Crawford (Resigned in March 2010)
> Treasurer: Dave Manginelli
>
> The following members have been nominated for office:
>
> President: Chris McQuistion
> Vice President: Howard White
> Secretary: John Eldredge
> Treasurer: (Open)
>
> You can read the Constitution at the following link:
>
> http://nlug.wikispot.org/NLUG_Constitution
>
> If you have any questions about this, please respond to this e-mail. If you
> would like to state that you approve of the current leadership in its new
> form, please reply to this e-mail and state so. If you would like to
> nominate someone else for an office, please reply with that person's name
> and their title you think they would be a good fit for. If you do not want
> to broadcast it to the world, please reply to me directly and I will post it
> for you.
>
> If you have any questions regarding this or anything else, please ask me
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Re: [nlug] [Query] Setting up web-server + SMTP server on Linux

[Bill Woody]

There are lots of 'how-to' articles on setting up apache, mysql, etc.,
and an SMTP server. You have been given good advice on the others but
the mail server depends on what your purpose is.

First let me sidestep the flames before they start. Only qmail is
bullet proof. It may be the least problematic after setup, too. (It's
good enough for google.) I make these statements from experience, not
emotion. I set up a Sendmail server two weeks ago because the client
wanted it. They were not in a position to alter course so I set it up.
No biggie.

If you just want to set one up to see the wheels turn and the bits
flow, go find something like qmail rocks and follow the directions
word for word. Last time I looked it would produce a nice mail server.

If you want to learn how they work, start with Dave Sill's site;
lifewithqmail.org/ and read it thoroughly before starting an
installation. Follow the directions and use google to help you figure
out what things mean as you read. If google does not help read
qmail.org and when all else fails ask for help there. Save it for a
last resort.

After you have qmail playing well, and you understand it go set up a
sendmail box. Learn it well enough to discuss it. Then Exim, Postfix
and of course that Microsoft one.

When you get out of rehab come back and tell us which you liked best.



On 4/12/10, Perkins, Jerry  wrote:
> Ankit A wrote:
>> Also, somebody told me that setting up a Mail (SMTP) server on Linux
>> is much more easy than on windows. Can anyone give me idea how to do
>> that ?
>I checked what the default mail server was for Fedora.   It is not
> Exim, which Debian uses, so I can not be of any help.   Although I did
> see these instructions for fedora,
> http://www.techotopia.com/index.php/Configuring_a_Fedora_Linux_Email_Server
> .
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Re: [nlug] Nashville Linux Users Group Monthly Meeting on Tuesday, March 9th, 2010 at 6:00PM

[Bill Woody]

It sure would be nice if things like your presentation/discussion could be
saved for posterity and those Nashville expatriates unable to attend
meetings until the statute of limitations runs out.

W

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Howard  wrote:

> Kevin Eldridge wrote:
>
>> Hello Nashville Linux User's Group,
>>
>> Tomorrow on Tuesday, March 9th, 2010 at 6:00pm, we do not have a formal
>> presenter for this month. We will meet at our meeting space and let you
>> decide on what you want to discuss. If you want to present on something,
>> bring it along and step up to the podium. :) This is going to be a free form
>> meeting. A Recruiter from Robert Half Technology <
>> http://www.roberthalftechnology.com> may be on site tomorrow night, but I
>> will confirm this with her in the morning. Would not hurt to bring your
>> resume with you if you are currently seeking employment in the technology
>> field.
>>
>>
> 
>
>
>> Kevin Eldridge
>> Nashville Linux User's Group
>> President
>> http://www.nlug.org 
>> (615) 830-4541
>>
>>
> Kevin,
>
> Allow me to drag stuff in for this evening and run an ad hoc discussion.  I
> have two topics to present both involving installations that don't play
> nice.  One I have the answer to and the other I'd like some help with.
>
> Howard White
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Re: [nlug] email from command line

[Bill Woody]

qmail is more secure and simple in it's configuration.

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:51 AM, Howard  wrote:

> Bill Turner wrote:
>
>> I have about 120 CentOS 4 servers scattered all over the country.  They
>> are setup in master/slave pairs running mySQL with replication.  I want the
>> master to send me an email message when an error occurs.
>>
>> Something like this…
>>
>> sendmail –s “Company X STATUS” “b...@uponthebox.com > b...@uponthebox.com>” < /tmp/status.txt
>>
>>
>> Most of my servers have static IPs…not that this should matter.
>> The last attempt I made at getting this to work was trying to setup
>> sendmail to use a remote smtp server (i.e. smptout.secureserver.net <
>> http://smptout.secureserver.net>).  This is what /var/log/maillog reports
>> after I send a message.
>>
>> Mar  8 11:57:43 localhost sendmail[4640]: o28GSWVf003070: to=<
>> b...@uponthebox.com >,
>> ctladdr=mailto:r...@localhost.localdomain>>
>> (0/0), delay=01:29:10, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=485003, relay=
>> smtpout.secureserver.net , dsn=4.0.0,
>> stat=Deferred: Name server: smtpout.secureserver.net <
>> http://smtpout.secureserver.net>: host name lookup failure
>>
>>
>> Yes, I can ping the smtp server all day long and DNS resolves it.
>>
>> Isn’t there an easy way to send an email from a stupid command line script
>> that doesn’t involve all this sendmail configuration stuff?
>>
>>
>> Bill Turner
>>
>>
> Interesting discussion, Bill.
>
> Don't know if we understand the underlying triggers that send these notices
> to you.  Is a monitoring system such as Nagios overkill for what you are
> doing??  Nagios would offer a central server to monitor those remotes and
> collect data for central management.
>
> If not Sendmail then maybe Postfix to send your mail out.  The latter is
> far simpler to configure and is the default email engine on packages such as
> Elastix and FreePBX.
>
> Howard White
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Re: [nlug] email from command line

[Bill Woody]

Is "uponthebox.com ”  a server you control?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:15 AM, Bill Turner wrote:

> I have about 120 CentOS 4 servers scattered all over the country.  They are
> setup in master/slave pairs running mySQL with replication.  I want the
> master to send me an email message when an error occurs.
>
> Something like this…
>
> sendmail –s “Company X STATUS” “b...@uponthebox.com” < /tmp/status.txt
>
> Most of my servers have static IPs…not that this should matter.
>
> The last attempt I made at getting this to work was trying to setup
> sendmail to use a remote smtp server (i.e. smptout.secureserver.net).
> This is what /var/log/maillog reports after I send a message.
>
> Mar  8 11:57:43 localhost sendmail[4640]: o28GSWVf003070: to=<
> b...@uponthebox.com>, ctladdr= (0/0),
> delay=01:29:10, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=relay, pri=485003, relay=
> smtpout.secureserver.net, dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Name server:
> smtpout.secureserver.net: host name lookup failure
>
> Yes, I can ping the smtp server all day long and DNS resolves it.
>
> Isn’t there an easy way to send an email from a stupid command line script
> that doesn’t involve all this sendmail configuration stuff?
>
>
>
> Bill Turner
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Re: [nlug] Frustrating Apache SSL problem

[Bill Woody]

Does it play right if you disable SELinux?
What version of Apache?
Was everything working correctly before the second cert?
Any other changes between working correctly and busted?

Bill

On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Bruce W. Martin wrote:

>
> On Feb 26, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Chris McQuistion wrote:
>
> > We ran into a problem with our SuSE server a while back, when we
> installed
> > an SSL certficate.  The server had two NICs and we had to configure one
> of
> > the SSL lines to "*:443" so it would listen on all interfaces.
> >
> > Perhaps you're having a similar issue?
> >
> > Chris
>
> If I understand you correctly I think I have that covered:
>
> #
> # Use name-based virtual hosting.
> #
> NameVirtualHost *:80
> NameVirtualHost *:443
> NameVirtualHost 16.12.104.22:80
> NameVirtualHost 16.12.104.22:443
> NameVirtualHost 16.12.104.24:80
> NameVirtualHost 16.12.104.24:443
>  (Obfuscation intentional)
>
> Bruce
>
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Bruce W. Martin 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I have a server with two NICs on different IP addresses hosting two
> Virtual
> >> hosts on Apache using SSL certificates from GeoTrust.
> >>
> >> One of the sites (pacs) has had a certificate for the last few years and
> >> has been renewed a couple of times and works just fine.
> >> The other site (svn) had a certificate that had expired. I put in a self
> >> signed certificate that had been created a few years ago but it was
> decided
> >> that we needed to get a proper certificate for the site. On Monday
> (2/22) I
> >> went through the process of creating a new certificate and get it
> installed.
> >> I had a couple of issues with SElinux because I originally created the
> key
> >> outside the /etc/httpd/conf directory and moved it to the proper
> directory
> >> and SElinux balked at allowing the server to start until I told SElinux
> that
> >> the file was OK. Finally restarted the http daemon and went to the site
> to
> >> make sure everything was working fine. The site gives the dreaded "This
> site
> >> is not trusted page" with a self signed certificate with the proper
> common
> >> name and a Validity date of 2/18/10, four days before I started this
> >> process. I have had the certificate reissued twice and confirmed that
> the
> >> httpd.conf file that I am editing was the one used to start the daemon.
> I
> >> cannot find a certificate that matches what is being served up by the
> page.
> >> I have confirmed IP addresses and hostname point to the right machine. I
> >> have been in contact with GeoTrust about this and run several google
> >> searches and combed through Apache and SSL docs and FAQs but nothing has
> >> shed a light on solving this problem.
> >>
> >> Has anyone ever seen this kind of thing or has suggestions on something
> >> else to look for or try?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >>
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Re: [nlug] RAID question...

[Bill Woody]

If he got confused on which drive was which I could see the first half
happening. I cannot fathom a reason switch, make shanges and reboot with
both plugged in.. unless to see what would happen.
In any case, your logic seems correct.

Maybe Rich will try it and let us know.

W

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Chris McQuistion
wrote:

> How exactly could this happen in the real world?
>
> I imagine that the most recently attached drive would be considered the
> master by the RAID controller and would be used to rebuild the other drive,
> but I'm just guessing since that seems to be the logical thing to do.
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Richard Thomas wrote:
>
>> I couldn't find an answer to this, possibly because it would be a retarded
>> thing to do but I was just wondering...
>>
>> Say you had mirrored (say hardware) RAID with two drives. Reboot the
>> system with one drive unplugged, make some changes then reboot with the
>> other unplugged (and the unplugged one plugged back in), make some different
>> changes then reboot with both drives plugged back in, what is the expected
>> outcome (or is it controller dependent).
>>
>> Rich
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Re: [nlug] The Watkins Super Router

[Bill Woody]

It is doubtful I will be there. I am finishing hp here in the next 30 days
or so and suspect I will be in New Orleans for a long time. It figures after
the Superbowl and Mardi Gras.
I will "study up" on the software and look at the doc you provided again.

Thanks,
Bill

On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Chris McQuistion
wrote:

> Hmmm.  The slideshow probably doesn't mean much to anyone who wasn't there
> for the presentation.  I really wrote it as a presentation aid, so it is
> really lean on details because I talked about the details and just used the
> presentation to show the bullet points.
>
> I'd be happy to talk about the project more, though.  I can do a talk at
> the next InstallFest about it (March 20th.)
>
> Chris
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Thank you so much for putting this document together since some of us were
>> unable to attend.
>> I wonder if you might expand a bit on what your requirements were.
>>
>> I really like the price!
>>
>> Bill Woody
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 8:10 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>>  I've shared The Watkins Super 
>>> Router<https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AQl1nedkZb14ZGR2ZmpwdzhfMjRncHFzcThmNg&hl=en&invite=CPTAj5EB>
>>> Message from cmcquist...@watkins.edu:
>>>
>>> Click to open:
>>>
>>>- The Watkins Super 
>>> Router<https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AQl1nedkZb14ZGR2ZmpwdzhfMjRncHFzcThmNg&hl=en&invite=CPTAj5EB>
>>>
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Re: [nlug] The Watkins Super Router

[Bill Woody]

Chris,

Thank you so much for putting this document together since some of us were
unable to attend.
I wonder if you might expand a bit on what your requirements were.

I really like the price!

Bill Woody


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> Message from cmcquist...@watkins.edu:
>
> Click to open:
>
>- The Watkins Super 
> Router<https://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=0AQl1nedkZb14ZGR2ZmpwdzhfMjRncHFzcThmNg&hl=en&invite=CPTAj5EB>
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Re: [nlug] Old e-mail addresses

[Bill Woody]

I never liked you.



On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:53 AM, JMJ  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:
> > I've had a domain and associated Email address for 14 years.
>
> Do you still use it regularly?
>
> I'm not sure if Hotmail, Yahoo, etc. addresses should qualify for this
> "competition."  Hmmm.
>
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Re: [nlug] Old e-mail addresses

[Bill Woody]

You two are over the hill. I switched to a national email when W98 came out.
It has been my primary personal email account ever since.
Consider getting racing stripes on your walker.

Woody

On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> I've had a domain and associated Email address for 14 years.  Now *I'm*
> feeling old!
>
> Curt
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:31 AM, JMJ  wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I was just making hot cocoa in my MindSpring Internet Services mug and
>> realized that I've been using that account for a long time.  So, I
>> checked and it shows that I signed up on Jan. 3, 1997.  So I've had
>> that account for 13 years and it's still my primary account.
>>
>> Of the e-mail addresses you use frequently, how old is the oldest?
>> I'm betting that several of you have addresses that you've been using
>> for longer than 13 years.  :-)
>>
>> JMJ, feeling Old School
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Re: [nlug] Command of the day

[Bill Woody]

Excellent trick. I will be using it later today. Thanks!

Woody

On 1/27/10, Curt Lundgren  wrote:
> I enjoy using pushd, but I typically forget to use it before changing
> directories.  Of course there's always 'cd -' which will take you to
> the last directory you were in.  Just now I had a thought - will this
> work with pushd?  The answer is yes.
>
> Scenario:  You're in /home/foo and you cd to /usr/local/bin.  Now you
> remember you're going to bounce back & forth between these
> directories.  You could 'pushd /home/foo' then 'pushd' to establish
> two directories on top of the directory stack and get back to where
> you just were.  Here's the cool trick.  Just do 'pushd -' and you've
> now got your current directory plus the one you were just in in the
> directory stack.  The 'pushd' command by itself will move you between
> the top two directories listed in the stack.
>
> To display the contents of the directory stack, use 'dirs'
>
> Curt
>
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Re: [nlug] suggestion for a Nobel Prace Prize for Linus Torvalds

[Bill Woody]

Could I get an invitation?

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 11:21 PM, John R. Dennison  wrote:

> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 09:50:37PM -0600, Russ Crawford wrote:
> >
> > I decided to avoid inviting controversy.  Who of us (NLUG) would
> > DISAPPROVE of a Nobel Prize for Linus.
>
>I would.  I don't see him being at all deserving, sorry.
>
> > Linux would not be where it is without the GPL AND Stallman's
> > philosophy.  The GPL probably would not have been enough.
>
>Arguable.
>
> > When RMS speaks in Nashville, you can bet that I will be there.
>
>Bring air freshener.
>
>
>
>
>John
>
> --
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> unable
> to imagine how we might possibly have gone wrong.
> -- G. K. Chesterton
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[nlug] Re: google wave

[Bill Woody]

I see.
Thank You.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:15 PM, andrew mcelroy  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Bill Woody  wrote:
>
>>
>> It was a trick, right?
>> I didn't get anything.
>
>
>
> You wont for a while, its not so much an invite system as it is a
> nomination to get an invite system.
>
> Andrew
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sent ya one, i dunno if it's an actual invite though
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Bill Woody 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hey! Does anyone 'friendly' have an invite left they'd like to share? I
>>> > would really like to try it.
>>> > I can't understand why I wasn't invited in the initial mailing. I have
>>> > always been first at things. I was the first in my little click to have
>>> sex.
>>> > I was also the first to have sex with another person. I was the first
>>> to
>>> > need a shot about a week later. I was the first to... well you get the
>>> > picture. Speaking of them, they were not real. Those pics were doctored
>>> up.
>>> > And I swear, sheep lie.
>>> > Actually, not much in a while has generated so much traffic on NLUG.
>>> > Speaking of which. I have an idea for promoting NLUG. I will bring it
>>> in
>>> > another subject since few have bothered to read this far into the
>>> drivel.
>>> >
>>> > Bill Woody
>>> > "Papa Rock"
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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[nlug] Re: google wave

[Bill Woody]

It was a trick, right?
I didn't get anything.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Chris Faulkner wrote:

>
> Sent ya one, i dunno if it's an actual invite though
>
> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Bill Woody  wrote:
> > Hey! Does anyone 'friendly' have an invite left they'd like to share? I
> > would really like to try it.
> > I can't understand why I wasn't invited in the initial mailing. I have
> > always been first at things. I was the first in my little click to have
> sex.
> > I was also the first to have sex with another person. I was the first to
> > need a shot about a week later. I was the first to... well you get the
> > picture. Speaking of them, they were not real. Those pics were doctored
> up.
> > And I swear, sheep lie.
> > Actually, not much in a while has generated so much traffic on NLUG.
> > Speaking of which. I have an idea for promoting NLUG. I will bring it in
> > another subject since few have bothered to read this far into the drivel.
> >
> > Bill Woody
> > "Papa Rock"
> >
> >
>
> >
>

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[nlug] Re: google wave

[Bill Woody]

Hey! Does anyone 'friendly' have an invite left they'd like to share? I
would really like to try it.
I can't understand why I wasn't invited in the initial mailing. I have
always been first at things. I was the first in my little click to have sex.
I was also the first to have sex with another person. I was the first to
need a shot about a week later. I was the first to... well you get the
picture. Speaking of them, they were not real. Those pics were doctored up.
And I swear, sheep lie.
Actually, not much in a while has generated so much traffic on NLUG.
Speaking of which. I have an idea for promoting NLUG. I will bring it in
another subject since few have bothered to read this far into the drivel.

Bill Woody
"Papa Rock"


On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Chris Faulkner wrote:

>
> I have 3 invites left so email me with the email address you want it
> at and i'll send it right on, first come first served :)
>
> >
>

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[nlug] Re: Directory services

[Bill Woody]

Excellent choices! I tortured all of them and wound up at the beginning with
that combination.

Bill

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

>
> I posted a few months ago when we (Watkins College, that is) were
> looking for someone to help with an LDAP director issue.  Time has
> passed as we take the larger view we're realizing what is really
> needed is a central directory server.  Our choices seem to be Active
> Directory or LDAP - and we strongly lean away from that-which-is-
> Microsoft.
>
> My question for the group - is anyone aware of a great open source
> directory server?  Yes, we'll want it to use openLDAP - a nice GUI
> interface, probably web-based, is very important.  We'll want to
> customize the database and have many services using it for
> authentication, etc.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> Curt
> >
>

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[nlug] Re: OT: Online College

[Bill Woody]

"Standing ovation!"
That was outstanding. Know it will be saved and passed along.
Thank You.

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