[nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
My wife is using google apps (finally got our domain updated so email works), but she has one issue. She has a need to pop her email down to 2 machines, that is all mail to both machines. (Yes, she understands the issues, and has been doing this for some time). As we moved over to Google Apps this week, she can pop it down to only one machine or the other. Depending on 'who checks in first' only that one gets it and the other machine can't even see the email on the machine. Her client is Outlook 2010 on one machine, Outlook 2003 on the other, and it is at google.com/a/coats.org I have waded through all the google apps settings and client settings I can stomach, and need some help. Suggestions? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
Outlook *and* POP? Oh my... Is there any possibility of using IMAP? Curt On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: My wife is using google apps (finally got our domain updated so email works), but she has one issue. She has a need to pop her email down to 2 machines, that is all mail to both machines. (Yes, she understands the issues, and has been doing this for some time). As we moved over to Google Apps this week, she can pop it down to only one machine or the other. Depending on 'who checks in first' only that one gets it and the other machine can't even see the email on the machine. Her client is Outlook 2010 on one machine, Outlook 2003 on the other, and it is at google.com/a/coats.org I have waded through all the google apps settings and client settings I can stomach, and need some help. Suggestions? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
The default behavior for Outlook when accessing a POP account is to download emails via POP and NOT leave the message on the server. You can override that behavior in Outlook so it DOES leave the messages on the server and then your other Outlook computer can download the messages, too. (There are some POP settings you can change in the individual account's Mail Settings that you access from the web-based interface, but the default settings (when messages are access with POP, leave a copy in the Inbox) should be fine for your setup. That said, I would highly recommend using IMAP instead. If you do POP from two computer, if you read a message on one computer or delete it or move it to a folder, those status changes will not be reflected on the other computer. IMAP is designed to handle these issues, so you can access your email from the Gmail web interface or Outlook computer 1 or Outlook computer 2 and all your read status, deleted messages, or messages moved into folders will all stay in sync automatically. Chris On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:32 AM, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: My wife is using google apps (finally got our domain updated so email works), but she has one issue. She has a need to pop her email down to 2 machines, that is all mail to both machines. (Yes, she understands the issues, and has been doing this for some time). As we moved over to Google Apps this week, she can pop it down to only one machine or the other. Depending on 'who checks in first' only that one gets it and the other machine can't even see the email on the machine. Her client is Outlook 2010 on one machine, Outlook 2003 on the other, and it is at google.com/a/coats.org I have waded through all the google apps settings and client settings I can stomach, and need some help. Suggestions? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: My wife is using google apps (finally got our domain updated so email works), but she has one issue. She has a need to pop her email down to 2 machines, that is all mail to both machines. (Yes, she understands the issues, and has been doing this for some time). As we moved over to Google Apps this week, she can pop it down to only one machine or the other. Depending on 'who checks in first' only that one gets it and the other machine can't even see the email on the machine. Her client is Outlook 2010 on one machine, Outlook 2003 on the other, and it is at google.com/a/coats.org I have waded through all the google apps settings and client settings I can stomach, and need some help. Suggestions? You need to use IMAP protocol rather than POP. IMAP leaves a copy on the server, and syncs the status as well. If you mark a message as read, or move the message into a folder (an IMAP folder on the server, not a local folder), those changes will be visible on any other machine that uses the same IMAP mailbox. POP defaults to deleting the message on the server once it has been downloaded to the client. Even if you set POP to leave messages on the server, reading a message on one machine wont affect its status on any other machine. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: My wife is using google apps (finally got our domain updated so email works), but she has one issue. She has a need to pop her email down to 2 machines, that is all mail to both machines. (Yes, she understands the issues, and has been doing this for some time). As we moved over to Google Apps this week, she can pop it down to only one machine or the other. Depending on 'who checks in first' only that one gets it and the other machine can't even see the email on the machine. Her client is Outlook 2010 on one machine, Outlook 2003 on the other, and it is at google.com/a/coats.org I have waded through all the google apps settings and client settings I can stomach, and need some help. Suggestions? You need to use IMAP protocol rather than POP. IMAP leaves a copy on the server, and syncs the status as well. If you mark a message as read, or move the message into a folder (an IMAP folder on the server, not a local folder), those changes will be visible on any other machine that uses the same IMAP mailbox. POP defaults to deleting the message on the server once it has been downloaded to the client. Even if you set POP to leave messages on the server, reading a message on one machine wont affect its status on any other machine. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
The 'tin can and a string' network we have is not what we could consider reliable. At least with the email being 'sucked down' locally on each machine, she can read it even during the (normally awkward) times the network is unavailable. One machine is at the house, and the other is in her office (near the horse barn), where On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Curt Lundgren verif...@gmail.com wrote: Outlook *and* POP? Oh my... Is there any possibility of using IMAP? Curt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: The default behavior for Outlook when accessing a POP account is to download emails via POP and NOT leave the message on the server. You can override that behavior in Outlook so it DOES leave the messages on the server and then your other Outlook computer can download the messages, too. (There are some POP settings you can change in the individual account's Mail Settings that you access from the web-based interface, but the default settings (when messages are access with POP, leave a copy in the Inbox) should be fine for your setup. That said, I would highly recommend using IMAP instead. If you do POP from two computer, if you read a message on one computer or delete it or move it to a folder, those status changes will not be reflected on the other computer. IMAP is designed to handle these issues, so you can access your email from the Gmail web interface or Outlook computer 1 or Outlook computer 2 and all your read status, deleted messages, or messages moved into folders will all stay in sync automatically. Chris Yes. Personally I would rather have her use her gmail account on the web directly, but a local client does seem to help her out. In the same way, I would like to see her use folder and filters for various things, but my high-tech-geophysicist-wife is trying to keep it as simple as possible in her mind. Obviously, all this is for my highest-priority-user! :) Thanks to all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: My wife is using google apps (finally got our domain updated so email works), but she has one issue. She has a need to pop her email down to 2 machines, that is all mail to both machines. (Yes, she understands the issues, and has been doing this for some time). As we moved over to Google Apps this week, she can pop it down to only one machine or the other. Depending on 'who checks in first' only that one gets it and the other machine can't even see the email on the machine. Her client is Outlook 2010 on one machine, Outlook 2003 on the other, and it is at google.com/a/coats.org I have waded through all the google apps settings and client settings I can stomach, and need some help. Suggestions? You need to use IMAP protocol rather than POP. IMAP leaves a copy on the server, and syncs the status as well. If you mark a message as read, or move the message into a folder (an IMAP folder on the server, not a local folder), those changes will be visible on any other machine that uses the same IMAP mailbox. POP defaults to deleting the message on the server once it has been downloaded to the client. Even if you set POP to leave messages on the server, reading a message on one machine wont affect its status on any other machine. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria I guess I should see if I could configure IMAP to get the mail from the server (that is why we are using POP) onto the machines. Our network being a shared-tin-can-and-wireless-string topology and it is not nearly as reliable as a wired connection (or most wireless elsewhere), I hesitate to just 'leave it all on the server, and use a access it over the 'net' perspective. Accessing things on the 'net is often problematic here on camp. Thanks for the thoughts! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
On Nov 23, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Jack Coats wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: My wife is using google apps (finally got our domain updated so email works), but she has one issue. She has a need to pop her email down to 2 machines, that is all mail to both machines. (Yes, she understands the issues, and has been doing this for some time). As we moved over to Google Apps this week, she can pop it down to only one machine or the other. Depending on 'who checks in first' only that one gets it and the other machine can't even see the email on the machine. Her client is Outlook 2010 on one machine, Outlook 2003 on the other, and it is at google.com/a/coats.org I have waded through all the google apps settings and client settings I can stomach, and need some help. Suggestions? You need to use IMAP protocol rather than POP. IMAP leaves a copy on the server, and syncs the status as well. If you mark a message as read, or move the message into a folder (an IMAP folder on the server, not a local folder), those changes will be visible on any other machine that uses the same IMAP mailbox. POP defaults to deleting the message on the server once it has been downloaded to the client. Even if you set POP to leave messages on the server, reading a message on one machine wont affect its status on any other machine. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria I guess I should see if I could configure IMAP to get the mail from the server (that is why we are using POP) onto the machines. Our network being a shared-tin-can-and-wireless-string topology and it is not nearly as reliable as a wired connection (or most wireless elsewhere), I hesitate to just 'leave it all on the server, and use a access it over the 'net' perspective. Accessing things on the 'net is often problematic here on camp. Thanks for the thoughts! Consider exploring 'offline mode' with Outlook. Most mail clients allow you to download the full messages as opposed to just headers when you do have a network connection for access when the message is flakey. I'm pretty sure this will solve your needs, with the server acting as a sync source between your multiple computers. -James -- James Fryman ph +1.615.669.2048 | twitter jfryman | gtalk: ja...@frymanet.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] Google Apps Mail POP issues
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 01:35:45 pm Jack Coats wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:11 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote: My wife is using google apps (finally got our domain updated so email works), but she has one issue. She has a need to pop her email down to 2 machines, that is all mail to both machines. (Yes, she understands the issues, and has been doing this for some time). As we moved over to Google Apps this week, she can pop it down to only one machine or the other. Depending on 'who checks in first' only that one gets it and the other machine can't even see the email on the machine. Her client is Outlook 2010 on one machine, Outlook 2003 on the other, and it is at google.com/a/coats.org I have waded through all the google apps settings and client settings I can stomach, and need some help. Suggestions? You need to use IMAP protocol rather than POP. IMAP leaves a copy on the server, and syncs the status as well. If you mark a message as read, or move the message into a folder (an IMAP folder on the server, not a local folder), those changes will be visible on any other machine that uses the same IMAP mailbox. POP defaults to deleting the message on the server once it has been downloaded to the client. Even if you set POP to leave messages on the server, reading a message on one machine wont affect its status on any other machine. I guess I should see if I could configure IMAP to get the mail from the server (that is why we are using POP) onto the machines. Our network being a shared-tin-can-and-wireless-string topology and it is not nearly as reliable as a wired connection (or most wireless elsewhere), I hesitate to just 'leave it all on the server, and use a access it over the 'net' perspective. Accessing things on the 'net is often problematic here on camp. I would suggest configuring a local (i.e. on campus) IMAP server and use 'slurp' or similar program to pull the messages off the POP server (and populate the local IMAP server). Since the messages are then accessed via IMAP on both client machines, you get all the advantages of using IMAP without the hassle of needing to maintain a good connection to the Internet. -- Tilghman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
[nlug] Google Apps
I'm considering moving my email service to google apps and I have my own domain name. Anyone have any experience with this and making the switch without loosing email? Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
Andrew Farnsworth wrote: I'm considering moving my email service to google apps and I have my own domain name. Anyone have any experience with this and making the switch without loosing email? I use Google Apps for several domains and have migrated mail from other providers to Google Apps. With the paid version of Google Apps, you can do IMAP mail migration from within the Google Apps admin interface. I've also done mail migration using IMAP clients. The easiest way to not lose mail is to not cancel your current mail hosting until after the MX records have had a chance to propogate and you've migrated any additional mail that may have come into the old mail server. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering moving my email service to google apps and I have my own domain name. Anyone have any experience with this and making the switch without loosing email? I've done it not only for my domains but most of my customers as well. It works fine, just make sure the MX is fully propagated before switching off the old server. Michael -- Michael Darrin Chaney, Sr. mdcha...@michaelchaney.com http://www.michaelchaney.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
Curt Lundgren and I are in the process of migrating everyone at Watkins to Google Apps. We love it. It took a whe to figure everything out but we have been doing a phased migration for the past couple weeks without any problems. I can give you more specific information and advice if you like, including instructions on doing a phased deployment that will keep you from losing any email. Chris On Thursday, December 17, 2009, Michael Chaney mdcha...@michaelchaney.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm considering moving my email service to google apps and I have my own domain name. Anyone have any experience with this and making the switch without loosing email? I've done it not only for my domains but most of my customers as well. It works fine, just make sure the MX is fully propagated before switching off the old server. Michael -- Michael Darrin Chaney, Sr. mdcha...@michaelchaney.com http://www.michaelchaney.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.eduwrote: Curt Lundgren and I are in the process of migrating everyone at Watkins to Google Apps. We love it. It took a whe to figure everything out but we have been doing a phased migration for the past couple weeks without any problems. I can give you more specific information and advice if you like, including instructions on doing a phased deployment that will keep you from losing any email. Chris Chris, The first question I have is if signing up with google apps will interfere with existing email and I think the answer is NO. Until you change the DNS / MX records nothing will go there even if you setup with google apps. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
You're exactly right. You can sign up with Google Apps and start getting stuff set up there, but don't change your MX records, yet. Mail will still flow to the old server. You can set up a domain alias at Google Apps and modify your DNS settings to point mail for that domain alias at Google Apps. For example, we set up a domain alias of pilot.watkins.edu and we created DNS records that point any incoming email that is destined for an @ pilot.watkins.edu email address to go to Google. Since this is an alias, people's actual email address is still @watkins.edu. Next, we set up forwarding on each individual account at Watkins to forward all email to that person's @pilot.watkins.edu email address (leaving an original on their watkins.edu account, just in case.) This means that when someone sends an email to example-u...@watkins.edu, that message actually goes to our existing on-premise email server. When it gets there, a copy gets forwarded to example-u...@pilot.watkins.edu, which delievers it to that users Google Mail account. That user is now using their Google Mail account to both send and receive email and everything works great. At some point (once all users are migrated over), we will change the DNS records for the main @watkins.edu domain and all email will start flowing directly to Google, not going through our email server any more. DNS records take a while to propogate, of course, but because we have it configured the way we do, if some mail goes to the old system, even after the switchover, that mail will still get forwarded to the appropriate place. A key of course, is migrating all the existing mail. I'm not sure if the free version of Google Apps includes the IMAP import tool or not. That's what we're using for most migrations. It just connects to our existing server over secure IMAP and brings over all the mail. Alternatively, there is a desktop app you can install that just uploads your mail from your system up to Google Mail. There are probably a handful of other ways to do migration as well, but those are the two most popular and the one's we're using. (We use the desktop app for Outlook users, because it also grabs their contacts and calendars and local folder emails.) Chris On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: Curt Lundgren and I are in the process of migrating everyone at Watkins to Google Apps. We love it. It took a whe to figure everything out but we have been doing a phased migration for the past couple weeks without any problems. I can give you more specific information and advice if you like, including instructions on doing a phased deployment that will keep you from losing any email. Chris Chris, The first question I have is if signing up with google apps will interfere with existing email and I think the answer is NO. Until you change the DNS / MX records nothing will go there even if you setup with google apps. Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.
Re: [nlug] Google Apps
There are several different versions, but the free version includes most of the features (except the ability to sync with LDAP and do more fancy stuff). It is limited to 25 users. We use the Education version (which is also available for non-profits) and it is completely free and includes all functionality of the Premier version. There is a Team version that is kind of a hybrid and I think it is free, but you can't use it for a whole domain. Lastly, there is the Premier version which is $50 per user/year, which isn't really very bad, when you consider what you're getting. The Premier version has a max mailbox size of 25 GB/user, compared to 7.25 GB/user for the other versions. Chris On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Andrew Farnsworth farn...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu wrote: You're exactly right. You can sign up with Google Apps and start getting stuff set up there, but don't change your MX records, yet. Mail will still flow to the old server. You can set up a domain alias at Google Apps and modify your DNS settings to point mail for that domain alias at Google Apps. For example, we set up a domain alias of pilot.watkins.edu and we created DNS records that point any incoming email that is destined for an @ pilot.watkins.edu email address to go to Google. Since this is an alias, people's actual email address is still @watkins.edu. Next, we set up forwarding on each individual account at Watkins to forward all email to that person's @pilot.watkins.edu email address (leaving an original on their watkins.edu account, just in case.) This means that when someone sends an email to example-u...@watkins.edu, that message actually goes to our existing on-premise email server. When it gets there, a copy gets forwarded to example-u...@pilot.watkins.edu, which delievers it to that users Google Mail account. That user is now using their Google Mail account to both send and receive email and everything works great. At some point (once all users are migrated over), we will change the DNS records for the main @watkins.edu domain and all email will start flowing directly to Google, not going through our email server any more. DNS records take a while to propogate, of course, but because we have it configured the way we do, if some mail goes to the old system, even after the switchover, that mail will still get forwarded to the appropriate place. A key of course, is migrating all the existing mail. I'm not sure if the free version of Google Apps includes the IMAP import tool or not. That's what we're using for most migrations. It just connects to our existing server over secure IMAP and brings over all the mail. Alternatively, there is a desktop app you can install that just uploads your mail from your system up to Google Mail. There are probably a handful of other ways to do migration as well, but those are the two most popular and the one's we're using. (We use the desktop app for Outlook users, because it also grabs their contacts and calendars and local folder emails.) Chris This sounds really good, but a bit overkill for me as I am the only user on my domain and while I have several email addresses, it is really fairly simple. I will probably get it setup, create the alias as you said, then test it and then throw the switch and test again over time as the dns change propogates. Also, I get my mail from my current provider via Pop3 so will not have any mail to migrate. Then I will use imap to get mail from google. Then, once everything has propogated, I will backup my web server and discontinue my account with my provider. No point in paying them if I don't have too. Out of curiosity, what does it cost if you want to pay for google apps rather than use the free system? Andy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comnlug-talk%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups NLUG group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-t...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en.