Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
I would suggest first and foremost to not use VNC at all. VMWare offers some free options, and they come with a tool for connecting that will be less resource intense. Barring going that route for any reason, I would suggest using Microsofts RDP protocol to support remote login to the Windows machine. This would be less resource intense, and be more responsive than VNC. There are plenty of RDP clients for linux and windows to connect. - Original Message - > Anyone have experience with running VMWare on Linux through a remote > VNC connection? (Unfortunately I need some features of programs that > do not run under Wine and no Linux program provides the same > functionality.) > > I would think VMWare would run and work like any other program on the > X desktop, but since it does a bit more low level stuff than most > programs I thought I would ask... and passing mouse/keystroke inputs > are being relayed through VNC to VMWare to Windows... > > I did find a page on running VMWare (at least one version of it) as a > VNC server. That would be an interesting option, but was not my first > thought. If it makes any difference, I would be buying VMWare > Workstation 7 (only one offered through the Vanderbilt employee > discount for a Linux host). > > Paul Boniol > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this > group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: > I would suggest first and foremost to not use VNC at all. > > VMWare offers some free options, and they come with a tool for connecting > that will be less resource intense. > > Barring going that route for any reason, I would suggest using Microsofts > RDP protocol to support remote login to the Windows machine. This would be > less resource intense, and be more responsive than VNC. There are plenty > of RDP clients for linux and windows to connect. > > -- > Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com > Thanks for the tips, I will look further into VMWare versions. Good to know there are options on connecting too. I have been using TightVNC client/server and it has been very responsive for the Linux desktop, the delay is very minor over being at the console. (I had tried using the original VNC about 5 years ago and quickly looked for alternatives.) Paul Boniol -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
The free VMWare Server simply runs a web server on your Linux machine and you don't need graphical access to the server at all, you just need access to the appropriate ports from a remote machine. Chris On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Paul Boniol wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Steven S. Critchfield > wrote: > > I would suggest first and foremost to not use VNC at all. > > > > VMWare offers some free options, and they come with a tool for connecting > > that will be less resource intense. > > > > Barring going that route for any reason, I would suggest using Microsofts > > RDP protocol to support remote login to the Windows machine. This would > be > > less resource intense, and be more responsive than VNC. There are plenty > > of RDP clients for linux and windows to connect. > > > > -- > > Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com > > > > Thanks for the tips, I will look further into VMWare versions. Good > to know there are options on connecting too. > > I have been using TightVNC client/server and it has been very > responsive for the Linux desktop, the delay is very minor over being > at the console. (I had tried using the original VNC about 5 years ago > and quickly looked for alternatives.) > > Paul Boniol > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
- Original Message - > The free VMWare Server simply runs a web server on your Linux machine > and you don't need graphical access to the server at all, you just > need access > to the appropriate ports from a remote machine. You might want to look deeper into that. While the webserver that VMware installs gives you access to some of the admin functions related to power, suspend, reset, and configuration, the webserver itself does not give the console access. It is actually the same thing that has been around in all the server versions of the software. It runs on a different port and is available with the older tools too. Not recommended to use the older tools but it is possible. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
You may want to look into VirtualBox. It has a built-in RDP server for virtual machines (be sure to get the PUEL version). On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:44, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: > - Original Message - >> The free VMWare Server simply runs a web server on your Linux machine >> and you don't need graphical access to the server at all, you just >> need access >> to the appropriate ports from a remote machine. > > You might want to look deeper into that. While the webserver that VMware > installs gives you access to some of the admin functions related to power, > suspend, reset, and configuration, the webserver itself does not give the > console access. It is actually the same thing that has been around in all > the server versions of the software. It runs on a different port and is > available with the older tools too. Not recommended to use the older tools > but it is possible. -- " ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead" - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
It does give you access to open a console. You may have to install a browser plugin and/or java, but you can open your virtual machines console with nothing more than a web browser. I used VMWare Server for years this way. Our VMWare Server didn't even run a GUI. Chris On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Steven S. Critchfield wrote: > - Original Message - > > The free VMWare Server simply runs a web server on your Linux machine > > and you don't need graphical access to the server at all, you just > > need access > > to the appropriate ports from a remote machine. > > You might want to look deeper into that. While the webserver that VMware > installs gives you access to some of the admin functions related to power, > suspend, reset, and configuration, the webserver itself does not give the > console access. It is actually the same thing that has been around in all > the server versions of the software. It runs on a different port and is > available with the older tools too. Not recommended to use the older tools > but it is possible. > > -- > Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
RE: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
It will give you true console access by way of a "remote console plugin". But, though I have not really tried it, it also supports (through manual setup) guest VM console access using VNC protocol. The remote console plugin works pretty good though and you can create "shortcuts" to launch the plugin to a given guest VM right from the desktop without having to go through the web interface. One thing I particularly like about the remote console plugin with windows guests is that, once you setup Vmware Tools on the windows guest, the remote console will dynamically resize the guest VM "console desktop" to whatever dimension you grow or shrink the remote console window. There is a remote console plugin for linux desktops as well (under firefox). A linux guest's desktop, though, does not seem to dynamically resize the same way a windows guest's does. Still, handy stuff. Note that Vmware server appears to be on a sunset track though. With newer versions of linux, vmware server will probably continued to gradually have operational problems as VMware is no longer updating it to keep pace with linux and windows changes on the host end. Getting VMware server to run under Windows 7 (64bit in my case) was touch-n-go and, while I got it to mostly work, it is quirky. Shame really. Mark J. Bailey Jobsoft Design & Development, Inc. 104 Arlington Place, Suite 100 Franklin, TN 37064 EMAIL: m...@jobsoft.com WEB: http://www.jobsoft.com/ VOICE:(615)904-9559 FAX:(615)904-9576 CELL:(615)308-9099 -Original Message- From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven S. Critchfield Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:45 AM To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC - Original Message - > The free VMWare Server simply runs a web server on your Linux machine > and you don't need graphical access to the server at all, you just > need access to the appropriate ports from a remote machine. You might want to look deeper into that. While the webserver that VMware installs gives you access to some of the admin functions related to power, suspend, reset, and configuration, the webserver itself does not give the console access. It is actually the same thing that has been around in all the server versions of the software. It runs on a different port and is available with the older tools too. Not recommended to use the older tools but it is possible. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
- Original Message - > Note that Vmware server appears to be on a > sunset track though. With newer versions of linux, vmware server will > probably continued to gradually have operational problems as VMware is > no longer > updating it to keep pace with linux and windows changes on the host > end. Getting VMware server to run under Windows 7 (64bit in my case) > was touch-n-go and, while I got it to mostly work, it is quirky. Shame > really. As more people are moving to the cloud, and linux has free offerings to do windows virtualisation, and Microsoft has virtualisation offerings, and the cloud tools are working to abstract away the real management of the differing core virt tools, I see VMware becoming a smaller and smaller player until it disappears. Why use a third party tool when there are free or supplied by a vendor you already have tools. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
RE: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
Agreed. I was starting to think Virtual Box, but with Oracle and some of the licensing mods, I plan next to delve into what comes native to linux. CentOS 6 should be out soon and I will probably pick it up there as RHEL6 is based on Fedora 12 and things had modernized fairly well by that point (if ye be a Redhat-leaning man). Not sure about the Debian-leaning side, but I know it is there as well. Do you have a preferred free path on the linux host side now Steve? Mark J. Bailey Jobsoft Design & Development, Inc. 104 Arlington Place, Suite 100 Franklin, TN 37064 EMAIL: m...@jobsoft.com WEB: http://www.jobsoft.com/ VOICE:(615)904-9559 FAX:(615)904-9576 CELL:(615)308-9099 -Original Message- From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com [mailto:nlug-talk@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven S. Critchfield Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:59 AM To: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC - Original Message - > Note that Vmware server appears to be on a sunset track though. With > newer versions of linux, vmware server will probably continued to > gradually have operational problems as VMware is no longer updating it > to keep pace with linux and windows changes on the host end. Getting > VMware server to run under Windows 7 (64bit in my case) was touch-n-go > and, while I got it to mostly work, it is quirky. Shame really. As more people are moving to the cloud, and linux has free offerings to do windows virtualisation, and Microsoft has virtualisation offerings, and the cloud tools are working to abstract away the real management of the differing core virt tools, I see VMware becoming a smaller and smaller player until it disappears. Why use a third party tool when there are free or supplied by a vendor you already have tools. -- Steven Critchfield cri...@basesys.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Chris McQuistion wrote: > The free VMWare Server simply runs a web server on your Linux machine and > you don't need graphical access to the server at all, you just need access > to the appropriate ports from a remote machine. > > Chris > I was in the process of configuring VMware Server when I found that VMware Server has been declared end-of-line and VMware will drop support on June 30... I know it works, and I can get it now, and it sounds like what I need. I'm just not sure I want to learn on software that won't be available in the future. It appears VMware's recommended free version is now VMware Player. >From what I've read it has a quite different modus operandi, capabilities, etc. The machine I plan to install it on is an Intel Core2 vPro processor (E8500). Evidently it has VT, but it must have been one of the early chips with VT (default is off). That opens possibilities I didn't think I had. I don't expect to do a lot in Windows, but there are some Windows programs I just can't completely get away from... It will be going over the internet, so security is an issue. I can tunnel through SSH, etc. as needed. Does anyone have a favorite VM in this situation (Linux host, with Windows as guest)? Paul Boniol -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
Virtualbox is pretty decent for that sort of thing but I don't know what the status of that project is since Oracle bought Sun. Chris Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Paul Boniol wrote: > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Chris McQuistion > wrote: >> The free VMWare Server simply runs a web server on your Linux machine and >> you don't need graphical access to the server at all, you just need access >> to the appropriate ports from a remote machine. >> >> Chris >> > > I was in the process of configuring VMware Server when I found that > VMware Server has been declared end-of-line and VMware will drop > support on June 30... I know it works, and I can get it now, and it > sounds like what I need. I'm just not sure I want to learn on > software that won't be available in the future. > > It appears VMware's recommended free version is now VMware Player. > From what I've read it has a quite different modus operandi, > capabilities, etc. > > The machine I plan to install it on is an Intel Core2 vPro processor > (E8500). Evidently it has VT, but it must have been one of the early > chips with VT (default is off). That opens possibilities I didn't > think I had. > > I don't expect to do a lot in Windows, but there are some Windows > programs I just can't completely get away from... > > It will be going over the internet, so security is an issue. I can > tunnel through SSH, etc. as needed. > > Does anyone have a favorite VM in this situation (Linux host, with > Windows as guest)? > > Paul Boniol > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
Re: [nlug] VMWare on Linux Running through VNC
I have been afraid to invest much time in VirtualBox now that Oracle has its hands wrapped around the software. I am looking for alternatives to VirtualBox. Shame though as I used to like it a lot. All I can think is that everyone will be sorely disappointed when they decide whatever they decide to do with it. Meh On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Chris McQuistion wrote: > Virtualbox is pretty decent for that sort of thing but I don't know > what the status of that project is since Oracle bought Sun. > > Chris > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 21, 2011, at 10:50 PM, Paul Boniol wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Chris McQuistion > > wrote: > >> The free VMWare Server simply runs a web server on your Linux machine > and > >> you don't need graphical access to the server at all, you just need > access > >> to the appropriate ports from a remote machine. > >> > >> Chris > >> > > > > I was in the process of configuring VMware Server when I found that > > VMware Server has been declared end-of-line and VMware will drop > > support on June 30... I know it works, and I can get it now, and it > > sounds like what I need. I'm just not sure I want to learn on > > software that won't be available in the future. > > > > It appears VMware's recommended free version is now VMware Player. > > From what I've read it has a quite different modus operandi, > > capabilities, etc. > > > > The machine I plan to install it on is an Intel Core2 vPro processor > > (E8500). Evidently it has VT, but it must have been one of the early > > chips with VT (default is off). That opens possibilities I didn't > > think I had. > > > > I don't expect to do a lot in Windows, but there are some Windows > > programs I just can't completely get away from... > > > > It will be going over the internet, so security is an issue. I can > > tunnel through SSH, etc. as needed. > > > > Does anyone have a favorite VM in this situation (Linux host, with > > Windows as guest)? > > > > Paul Boniol > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "NLUG" group. > To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NLUG" group. To post to this group, send email to nlug-talk@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to nlug-talk+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/nlug-talk?hl=en
