RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
I wholeheartedly agree, I like the Minneapolis Prince rather than this Dr Do-Little (to promote anything) LA hobnobbing price out and forget your fans Prince. We've been Bamboozled, hoodwinked, and took. -damon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NuPwrSoul Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:47 PM To: npny@lists.panix.com Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus To get around the lifetime thing, he will probably have to change the name, but "3121" doesn't seem to have the longevity as Prince's other imagined communities like "Paisley Park" or "NPG." Hell, he hasn't even seemed interested in promoting "3121" as an album, much less a website. Then again, didn't the CD say "3121: The Music" suggesting that there were other formats for "3121"? 3121 sucks and the concept sucks -Derek> > >>From: "Turner, Robin T C-E LCMC LRC LEO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Reply-To: npny@lists.panix.com >>To: "'npny@lists.panix.com'" >>Subject: RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus >>Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:51:04 -0400 >> >>I'm with ya on this one. >> >>2004 was a slammin' year with all the hype attached. But, this is a good >>way to weed out the ones who were just there for the joy ride. Even when >>the club was $100 a year, you knew only the hardcore fans would be crazy >>enough to join and keep the club alive. >> >>Sometimes you just need to clean house and start over. However when > Prince >>cleans house, he REALLY CLEANS, even if he is throwing out the good with >>the bad. >> >>Not like we haven't been here before and we won't go there again. And >>Again, And Again... >> >>But it's Prince, so you either go along for the ride or get off the bus. >>Through it all, I'll take the ride. >> >>Peace and wonderful observation. >> >>Robin aka CherryMoon >> >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:06 AM >>To: npny@lists.panix.com >>Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus >> >>Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense whatsoever, > knew >>that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, those > new > >>to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" meant > THEIR > >>lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. >> >>I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced >>merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans >>could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. >> >>Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am hopeful > at >>least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable yearly > fee >>all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the >>clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. >> >>I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, then, > in > >>essence, say ", what's next?" >> >>Rob >> >> >>-- Original message -- >>From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a >>> horrible financial model from the very start--in order for the club to >>> make money it depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while >>> the existing members probably wore out their profitability in terms of >>> bandwidth, etc. after the first year. - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
To get around the lifetime thing, he will probably have to change the name, but "3121" doesn't seem to have the longevity as Prince's other imagined communities like "Paisley Park" or "NPG." Hell, he hasn't even seemed interested in promoting "3121" as an album, much less a website. Then again, didn't the CD say "3121: The Music" suggesting that there were other formats for "3121"? 3121 sucks and the concept sucks -Derek> > > >From: "Turner, Robin T C-E LCMC LRC LEO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: npny@lists.panix.com > >To: "'npny@lists.panix.com'" > >Subject: RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus > >Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:51:04 -0400 > > > >I'm with ya on this one. > > > >2004 was a slammin' year with all the hype attached. But, this is a good > >way to weed out the ones who were just there for the joy ride. Even when > >the club was $100 a year, you knew only the hardcore fans would be crazy > >enough to join and keep the club alive. > > > >Sometimes you just need to clean house and start over. However when > Prince > >cleans house, he REALLY CLEANS, even if he is throwing out the good with > >the bad. > > > >Not like we haven't been here before and we won't go there again. And > >Again, And Again... > > > >But it's Prince, so you either go along for the ride or get off the bus. > >Through it all, I'll take the ride. > > > >Peace and wonderful observation. > > > >Robin aka CherryMoon > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:06 AM > >To: npny@lists.panix.com > >Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus > > > >Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense whatsoever, > knew > >that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, those > new > > >to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" meant > THEIR > > >lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. > > > >I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced > >merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans > >could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. > > > >Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am hopeful > at > >least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable yearly > fee > >all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the > >clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. > > > >I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, then, > in > > >essence, say ", what's next?" > > > >Rob > > > > > >-- Original message -- > >From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a > > > horrible financial model from the very start--in order for the club to > > > make money it depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while > > > the existing members probably wore out their profitability in terms of > > > bandwidth, etc. after the first year. - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] .com,[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - arrow.flexihostings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.panix.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - globalsoulmedia.com Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: npny@lists.panix.com I don't know about the rest of you, but I liked Minneapolis Prince a lot better than I like LA Prince. Daryle On Jul 5, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Ginna wrote: HaHaHa.. That was perfectly put.. "Lifetime of his ATTENTION SPAN!! HeeHee :) enjoy - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus > Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense > whatsoever, knew > that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, > those > new to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" > meant > THEIR lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. > > I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced > merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans > could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. > > Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am > hopeful at > least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable > yearly fee > all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the > clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. > > I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, > then, > in essence, say ", what's next?" > > Rob > > > -- Original message -- > From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a >> horrible >> financial model from the very start--in order for the club to make >> money >> it >> depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while the existing >> members >> probably wore out their profitability in terms of bandwidth, etc. >> after >> the >> first year. - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
Bad business move? Wasn't he the earn the most that year for his Musicology tour? $93,000,000 I believe. make that. It doesn't look like he put any of that money back into club either. -Derek> -Original Message- From: Oliver, Damon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: npny@lists.panix.com Sent: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:34:47 -0400 Subject: RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus Basically he can offer space for advertisements to offset the cost of some things while providing a more substantial content to keep people coming back in. and maybe a monthly fee like 9.99 a month for membership. And for gods sake offer some of the music he has in his vault that hasn't been released at all for downloads. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:06 AM To: npny@lists.panix.com Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense whatsoever, knew that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, those new to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" meant THEIR lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am hopeful at least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable yearly fee all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, then, in essence, say ", what's next?" Rob -- Original message -- From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a horrible financial model from the very start--in order for the club to make money it depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while the existing members probably wore out their profitability in terms of bandwidth, etc. after the first year. - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
I for one have dedicated too much time, and money to just say to hell with it when stuff like this happens. The hardcore fans will be there through the good and the bad decisions Prince makes in his career. The $25 dollar lifetime thing was destined to crash & burn from a business perspective. Hopefully when the new site opens, it'll go back to the $100 membership times when dowloads were aplenty AND we received first dibs at concert tickets and other misc perks. I missed out when the celly's went down, was too young for the Exodus and Emancipation era and have yet to go to a "real" afterparty (Club Whack don't count). Been a fan since I was 7 and don't intend on stopping now. I'll see you at 3121club.com Dar From: "Turner, Robin T C-E LCMC LRC LEO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: npny@lists.panix.com To: "'npny@lists.panix.com'" Subject: RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:51:04 -0400 I'm with ya on this one. 2004 was a slammin' year with all the hype attached. But, this is a good way to weed out the ones who were just there for the joy ride. Even when the club was $100 a year, you knew only the hardcore fans would be crazy enough to join and keep the club alive. Sometimes you just need to clean house and start over. However when Prince cleans house, he REALLY CLEANS, even if he is throwing out the good with the bad. Not like we haven't been here before and we won't go there again. And Again, And Again... But it's Prince, so you either go along for the ride or get off the bus. Through it all, I'll take the ride. Peace and wonderful observation. Robin aka CherryMoon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:06 AM To: npny@lists.panix.com Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense whatsoever, knew that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, those new to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" meant THEIR lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am hopeful at least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable yearly fee all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, then, in essence, say ", what's next?" Rob -- Original message -- From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a > horrible financial model from the very start--in order for the club to > make money it depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while > the existing members probably wore out their profitability in terms of > bandwidth, etc. after the first year. > - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
HaHaHa.. That was perfectly put.. "Lifetime of his ATTENTION SPAN!! HeeHee :) enjoy -Derek> - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense whatsoever, knew that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, those new to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" meant THEIR lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am hopeful at least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable yearly fee all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, then, in essence, say ", what's next?" Rob -- Original message -- From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a horrible financial model from the very start--in order for the club to make money it depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while the existing members probably wore out their profitability in terms of bandwidth, etc. after the first year. - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
I'm with ya on this one. 2004 was a slammin' year with all the hype attached. But, this is a good way to weed out the ones who were just there for the joy ride. Even when the club was $100 a year, you knew only the hardcore fans would be crazy enough to join and keep the club alive. Sometimes you just need to clean house and start over. However when Prince cleans house, he REALLY CLEANS, even if he is throwing out the good with the bad. Not like we haven't been here before and we won't go there again. And Again, And Again... But it's Prince, so you either go along for the ride or get off the bus. Through it all, I'll take the ride. Peace and wonderful observation. Robin aka CherryMoon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:06 AM To: npny@lists.panix.com Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense whatsoever, knew that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, those new to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" meant THEIR lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am hopeful at least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable yearly fee all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, then, in essence, say ", what's next?" Rob -- Original message -- From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a > horrible financial model from the very start--in order for the club to > make money it depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while > the existing members probably wore out their profitability in terms of > bandwidth, etc. after the first year. > - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
Basically he can offer space for advertisements to offset the cost of some things while providing a more substantial content to keep people coming back in. and maybe a monthly fee like 9.99 a month for membership. And for gods sake offer some of the music he has in his vault that hasn't been released at all for downloads. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:06 AM To: npny@lists.panix.com Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense whatsoever, knew that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, those new to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" meant THEIR lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am hopeful at least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable yearly fee all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, then, in essence, say ", what's next?" Rob -- Original message -- From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a horrible > financial model from the very start--in order for the club to make money it > depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while the existing members > probably wore out their profitability in terms of bandwidth, etc. after the > first year. > - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
Even I, a person with pretty much no entreprenurial sense whatsoever, knew that the $25 membership was a bad long-term business move. Sadly, those new to the Prince way of thinking probably believed that "lifetime" meant THEIR lifetime, not the lifetime of his attentian span. I do think if he offered more than just concert tickets, overpriced merchandise and token bits and pieces of music and video hardcore fans could have kept the site alive and profitable for him. Oh well. I will definately miss the access to tickets, but I am hopeful at least that will come back. And maybe if he charges a reasonable yearly fee all of us tried and true fans will still have that access without the clutter of those who arrived during Musicology and went just as fast. I also have to say, this is so Prince: Win awards and recognition, then, in essence, say ", what's next?" Rob -- Original message -- From: NuPwrSoul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a horrible > financial model from the very start--in order for the club to make money it > depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while the existing members > probably wore out their profitability in terms of bandwidth, etc. after the > first year. > - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
I agree re: the original site when it was npgonlineltd.com. I'm not even hung up on the DRM aspects of it, even though it is a pain in the butt to burn cds from my windows media player. I also agree that the site would be more exciting and interesting with more frequent content input from Prince... I think there were hints of that this year, especially with the "Feeling Good" demo that they offered for us to sample and give feedback. Even if the feedback was going to be ignored--that kind of interactivity seems to represent the best of what Prince has stated in the past that he likes about the 'net. Even lesser "sneak peeks" like photos from the video shoot for "Black Sweat" were cool. I could do without the useless VB reports though. Maybe (hopefully?) they'll be retooling based on past "best practices" and some experimental stuff for the next version. I do hope they abandon flash though--even though it's cute from a design perspective it sucks from a user perspective. On 7/4/06, Derek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The original site showed so much promised. I was extremely impressed at > first viewing. With the except of some bugs and the dumb decision to try > to > create a priority player to view the content. NPGMC 1.0 wasn't a bad idea. > They worked a lot of that out later. > > I wouldn't mind paying a monthly fee for decent content, but I refuse to > buy > the same stuff over and over again! That was ludicrous! The Radio Shows > became repetitive and they started to give us songs we already owned! > > I blame a lot of that and the recent downfall of the site on Prince. He is > not helping the site grow. He should be helping provide content. Even if > it's a box of scrapes I am sure Prince's scrapes are a lot more > interesting > that some of the crap they didn't give us > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of NuPwrSoul > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:31 PM > To: npny@lists.panix.com > Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus > > From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a horrible > financial model from the very start--in order for the club to make money > it > depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while the existing members > probably wore out their profitability in terms of bandwidth, etc. after > the > first year. > > Plus the download store also presented a horrible financial model--because > of its highly restrictive digital rights management, licenses/files were > always available for the member to redownload. That's increased bandwidth > without any additional purchase. > > In 2004 they probably didn't care because they assumedly got a slew of > "new > members" for the tour (the $25 was rollin in!). But 2005 was a dry year, > and for the most part 2006 has been pretty low profile too. No new > members > = no new money. Old members are spending any either, except for the few > buying overpriced merchandise "exclusives." > > There were signs of money problems (to me) back when they made that NAACP > Vanguard performance available... they probably had to pay a hefty > licensing > fee in order to sell it on the site; and when they did make it available, > there was an EXTREMELY aggressive push for people to download it "as a > sign > of interest" in things like that. They seemed desperate not only (1) to > make back the cost of providing the performance for sale, but also (2) > demonstrate the vitality and utility of the site (presumably to Prince) at > a > time when he himself was providing minimum news/content. > > By the end of the day, NPGMC basically was a message board, with a few > regulars (relative to the hundreds? of thousands of members). > > It makes sense that they revamp. Of course, I don't buy the "we are > contemplating what to do next" line... My guess is that they ALREADY KNOW > what they're going to do next and are putting it into place. > > As much as people complained, I think the $100 fee structure was the best > one, both in terms of site content (downloads etc.) and concert perqs. > > > On 7/4/06, Amil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > This means it's going to be a bit harder to find out about > > concerts... for now. And it must suck for people who just recently > > joined. But Prince will definitely be back soon. I can't imagine him > > without a web presence. And my guess is that he ended the Club > > suddenly, but will be back with a "normal" web site. There will be no > > more Club - but I think he will have a new Artis
RE: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
The original site showed so much promised. I was extremely impressed at first viewing. With the except of some bugs and the dumb decision to try to create a priority player to view the content. NPGMC 1.0 wasn't a bad idea. They worked a lot of that out later. I wouldn't mind paying a monthly fee for decent content, but I refuse to buy the same stuff over and over again! That was ludicrous! The Radio Shows became repetitive and they started to give us songs we already owned! I blame a lot of that and the recent downfall of the site on Prince. He is not helping the site grow. He should be helping provide content. Even if it's a box of scrapes I am sure Prince's scrapes are a lot more interesting that some of the crap they didn't give us -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NuPwrSoul Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:31 PM To: npny@lists.panix.com Subject: Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus >From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a horrible financial model from the very start--in order for the club to make money it depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while the existing members probably wore out their profitability in terms of bandwidth, etc. after the first year. Plus the download store also presented a horrible financial model--because of its highly restrictive digital rights management, licenses/files were always available for the member to redownload. That's increased bandwidth without any additional purchase. In 2004 they probably didn't care because they assumedly got a slew of "new members" for the tour (the $25 was rollin in!). But 2005 was a dry year, and for the most part 2006 has been pretty low profile too. No new members = no new money. Old members are spending any either, except for the few buying overpriced merchandise "exclusives." There were signs of money problems (to me) back when they made that NAACP Vanguard performance available... they probably had to pay a hefty licensing fee in order to sell it on the site; and when they did make it available, there was an EXTREMELY aggressive push for people to download it "as a sign of interest" in things like that. They seemed desperate not only (1) to make back the cost of providing the performance for sale, but also (2) demonstrate the vitality and utility of the site (presumably to Prince) at a time when he himself was providing minimum news/content. By the end of the day, NPGMC basically was a message board, with a few regulars (relative to the hundreds? of thousands of members). It makes sense that they revamp. Of course, I don't buy the "we are contemplating what to do next" line... My guess is that they ALREADY KNOW what they're going to do next and are putting it into place. As much as people complained, I think the $100 fee structure was the best one, both in terms of site content (downloads etc.) and concert perqs. On 7/4/06, Amil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This means it's going to be a bit harder to find out about > concerts... for now. And it must suck for people who just recently > joined. But Prince will definitely be back soon. I can't imagine him > without a web presence. And my guess is that he ended the Club > suddenly, but will be back with a "normal" web site. There will be no > more Club - but I think he will have a new Artist website designed > and on line - he will surely sell merchandise there and maybe > continue to offer pre-sale concert tix like other artists do. > > I'm glad he's changing things. Personally, I was hardly ever using > Club site anymore (except for concert info). It's strange that he > wouldnt have another website designed and ready to go, but hey, thats > Prince! He probably just told his people a couple of weeks ago to > shut it down. > > Amil > > providing Prince related that NPGMC so I say good riddance. Hopefully a > more > function site will come out of the ashes of that horrible site -Derek> > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: TA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Jul 4, 2006 9:04 AM > > Subject: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus > > To: npny@lists.panix.com > > > > 2159fd1e41f690756f36dc87813833b2866e14058d4cf7af7dc3cedf14da50d33765d7 > > 1ddb4f > > c9ed350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: npny@lists.panix.com > > > > Good Lord, now what? What's this hiatus stuff? No more club? They > > didn't > > even bother to send an email. Does anyone think this is serious or > > just some > > stupid new stunt? I had
Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
>From a business perspective that $25 "lifetime" membership was a horrible financial model from the very start--in order for the club to make money it depended on a constant addition of NEW members, while the existing members probably wore out their profitability in terms of bandwidth, etc. after the first year. Plus the download store also presented a horrible financial model--because of its highly restrictive digital rights management, licenses/files were always available for the member to redownload. That's increased bandwidth without any additional purchase. In 2004 they probably didn't care because they assumedly got a slew of "new members" for the tour (the $25 was rollin in!). But 2005 was a dry year, and for the most part 2006 has been pretty low profile too. No new members = no new money. Old members are spending any either, except for the few buying overpriced merchandise "exclusives." There were signs of money problems (to me) back when they made that NAACP Vanguard performance available... they probably had to pay a hefty licensing fee in order to sell it on the site; and when they did make it available, there was an EXTREMELY aggressive push for people to download it "as a sign of interest" in things like that. They seemed desperate not only (1) to make back the cost of providing the performance for sale, but also (2) demonstrate the vitality and utility of the site (presumably to Prince) at a time when he himself was providing minimum news/content. By the end of the day, NPGMC basically was a message board, with a few regulars (relative to the hundreds? of thousands of members). It makes sense that they revamp. Of course, I don't buy the "we are contemplating what to do next" line... My guess is that they ALREADY KNOW what they're going to do next and are putting it into place. As much as people complained, I think the $100 fee structure was the best one, both in terms of site content (downloads etc.) and concert perqs. On 7/4/06, Amil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This means it's going to be a bit harder to find out about > concerts... for now. And it must suck for people who just recently > joined. But Prince will definitely be back soon. I can't imagine him > without a web presence. And my guess is that he ended the Club > suddenly, but will be back with a "normal" web site. There will be no > more Club - but I think he will have a new Artist website designed > and on line - he will surely sell merchandise there and maybe > continue to offer pre-sale concert tix like other artists do. > > I'm glad he's changing things. Personally, I was hardly ever using > Club site anymore (except for concert info). It's strange that he > wouldnt have another website designed and ready to go, but hey, thats > Prince! He probably just told his people a couple of weeks ago to > shut it down. > > Amil > > providing Prince related that NPGMC so I say good riddance. Hopefully a > more > function site will come out of the ashes of that horrible site -Derek> > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: TA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Jul 4, 2006 9:04 AM > > Subject: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus > > To: npny@lists.panix.com > > > > 2159fd1e41f690756f36dc87813833b2866e14058d4cf7af7dc3cedf14da50d33765d7 > > 1ddb4f > > c9ed350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > > X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 > > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Precedence: bulk > > Reply-To: npny@lists.panix.com > > > > Good Lord, now what? What's this hiatus stuff? No more club? They > > didn't > > even bother to send an email. Does anyone think this is serious or > > just some > > stupid new stunt? I had to go to Prince.org to find out about it. I > > bet it > > does come back but with a yearly membership. There's going to be a > > lot of > > pissed off people, especially the ones who just joined. > > > > Of course it doesn't help that I was already having a crappy > > holiday. Last > > night I was horribly betrayed by someone who supposedly loves me, I > > have > > this sinking feeling that I may never again see someone else that I > > really > > wanted to "get to know", and today I get to look forward to the family > > barbeque where I get to be insulted and berated my brother tries to > > drown me > > in the pool like he does every year. > > > > Fine, Prince. Do whatever the hell you want. Go play with your > > celebrity > > friends instead at 312
Re: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
This means it's going to be a bit harder to find out about concerts... for now. And it must suck for people who just recently joined. But Prince will definitely be back soon. I can't imagine him without a web presence. And my guess is that he ended the Club suddenly, but will be back with a "normal" web site. There will be no more Club - but I think he will have a new Artist website designed and on line - he will surely sell merchandise there and maybe continue to offer pre-sale concert tix like other artists do. I'm glad he's changing things. Personally, I was hardly ever using Club site anymore (except for concert info). It's strange that he wouldnt have another website designed and ready to go, but hey, thats Prince! He probably just told his people a couple of weeks ago to shut it down. Amil > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: TA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Jul 4, 2006 9:04 AM > Subject: NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus > To: npny@lists.panix.com > > 2159fd1e41f690756f36dc87813833b2866e14058d4cf7af7dc3cedf14da50d33765d7 > 1ddb4f > c9ed350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c > X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 > Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: npny@lists.panix.com > > Good Lord, now what? What's this hiatus stuff? No more club? They > didn't > even bother to send an email. Does anyone think this is serious or > just some > stupid new stunt? I had to go to Prince.org to find out about it. I > bet it > does come back but with a yearly membership. There's going to be a > lot of > pissed off people, especially the ones who just joined. > > Of course it doesn't help that I was already having a crappy > holiday. Last > night I was horribly betrayed by someone who supposedly loves me, I > have > this sinking feeling that I may never again see someone else that I > really > wanted to "get to know", and today I get to look forward to the family > barbeque where I get to be insulted and berated my brother tries to > drown me > in the pool like he does every year. > > Fine, Prince. Do whatever the hell you want. Go play with your > celebrity > friends instead at 3121 and ignore people like me who have stuck > with you > for over 20 years. To show how much I don't care, I'm going to break > tradition and not play the extended version of America like I do > every July > 4th. I have more important things to worry about now. > > Despite the above rant, I really do wish all the NPNY'ers a happy > and safe > holiday. > > Tom > > few weeks > ago when they stop taking membership. -Derek> > - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NPNY: Happy 4th? - Re: Music Club Hiatus
2159fd1e41f690756f36dc87813833b2866e14058d4cf7af7dc3cedf14da50d33765d71ddb4f c9ed350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.32 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: bulk Reply-To: npny@lists.panix.com Good Lord, now what? What's this hiatus stuff? No more club? They didn't even bother to send an email. Does anyone think this is serious or just some stupid new stunt? I had to go to Prince.org to find out about it. I bet it does come back but with a yearly membership. There's going to be a lot of pissed off people, especially the ones who just joined. Of course it doesn't help that I was already having a crappy holiday. Last night I was horribly betrayed by someone who supposedly loves me, I have this sinking feeling that I may never again see someone else that I really wanted to "get to know", and today I get to look forward to the family barbeque where I get to be insulted and berated my brother tries to drown me in the pool like he does every year. Fine, Prince. Do whatever the hell you want. Go play with your celebrity friends instead at 3121 and ignore people like me who have stuck with you for over 20 years. To show how much I don't care, I'm going to break tradition and not play the extended version of America like I do every July 4th. I have more important things to worry about now. Despite the above rant, I really do wish all the NPNY'ers a happy and safe holiday. Tom - NewPowerNewYork Mailing List website: Www.NPNY.Org - Unsubscribe? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], in body place npny - Questions/Help?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
