subject:"\[NTG\-context\] footnotes when using RtL \(Arabic\)"

Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-08-03 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

In a separate thread ("r2l alignment and linenumbering conflict?"), we've gotten numerals in an Arabic RTL document to (a) display as Arabic numerals, and (b) to order their digits in the right order (e.g. 2015 instead of 5102). By defining the headstyle of linenotes, we can even get linenotes to display the digits within individual numbers in the correct order (see below).However, when there is a line range in the linenote head, it is flipping the order of the page ranges. In the example PDF attached below, where it should read ١٥-١٦ (16-15, with the fifteen on the right and the sixteen on the left, for R2L word ordering), instead the output is ١٦-١٥.This seems to be a further example of the problems arising from not being able to apply bidi to the linenote stream, due to the bug or conflict between footnotes/linenotes and R2L. In the minimal example below, I have commented out the \startsetups[note:linenote]. The lines may be toggled to see the effect it has. =\mainlanguage[arabic]	\definefontfamily [mainface] [rm] [ALM Fixed] [range=arabic,features=arabic]  \setupbodyfont[mainface,12pt]\setupdirections[bidi=global,method=two]\setupalign[r2l]%% CONVERSION INTO ARABIC-HINDI NUMERALS\defineconversion[myconversion][١,٢,٣,٤,٥,٦,٧,٨,٩,١٠,١١,١٢,١٣,١٤,١٥,١٦,١٧,١٨,١٩,٢٠,]%% HEADINGS\setuppagenumber[numberconversion=myconversion]%%%	LINENUMBERING\setuplinenumbering[%	style=\tfxx,	referencing=on,	step=1,	location=outer,	method=page,	align=left,	distance=1em,	width=0.4em,	conversion=myconversion,	]\definelinenote[linenote][%	setups=note:linenote,	before={\blank[3.2em]},	align=righttoleft,	rule={on,right},	paragraph=yes,	frame=on,framecolor=red,	]\setupnotations[linenote][%	align=righttoleft,	alternative=serried,	width=broad,	distance=.5em,	display=no,	numberconversion=arabic-hindi,	headstyle=\lefttoright,	]\unexpanded\def\doVariant#1#2#3%{\startlinenote[#1]{#2[ #3}#2\stoplinenote[#1]}\newcounter\countvariants\unexpanded\def\variant{\doglobal\increment\countvariants \normalexpanded{\doVariant{Varia:\countvariants}}}%%% DOCUMENT%\startsetups[note:linenote] %	\setupdirections[bidi=on,method=default,fences=no] %\stopsetups\starttext \showframe \startlinenumbering\input ward\linenote{هذه تعليقة أولى.}\input ward\linenote{هذه تعليقة ثانية.}\input ward\linenote{هذه تعليقة ثالثة.}مرحباً بالعالم مرحباً بالعالم مرحباً بالعالم . هذا مثال على استعمال كونتكست لأجل تحقيق المخطوطات في اللغة العربية . وقد قربنا من \variant{الوصول إلى الحلول}{الحصول على الحلول} التي نحتاجها لتصميم الخطوط التي تكتب من اليمين إلى الشمال .\linenote{هذه تعليقة خامسة.}\stoplinenumbering\stoptext=

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Best,TalalOn 2 Aug 2015, at 12:11, Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:On 08/02/2015 12:47 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:[...]Hi Talal,replace you bidi settings with these ones:[...]At least, they work for me.Talal,sorry for the noise, the first linenote has the problem you described.I thought it belonged to the second linenote.Pablo-- http://www.ousia.tk___If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-contextwebpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.netarchive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/wiki : http://contextgarden.net__
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-08-02 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 08/02/2015 12:47 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
> [...]
> Hi Talal,
> 
> replace you bidi settings with these ones:
> [...]
> At least, they work for me.

Talal,

sorry for the noise, the first linenote has the problem you described.

I thought it belonged to the second linenote.


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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-08-02 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

Thanks for the help, Pablo, but, unfortunately, this is not solving the problem (at least over here): The beginning of the third footnote/linenote is still missing. It should read (at the end of line one and at the beginning of line two of the notes):0 وهذهتعليقةThe end of line one is dropped. I have put an arrow on the attached PDF to demonstrate where it should be. (Of course, it is possible that our source tex files are slightly different?)Talal

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On 2 Aug 2015, at 11:47, Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:On 08/02/2015 12:02 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:Apologies: While the problem remains, I realise now that using "method=one"or "method=two" wasn’t having any effect because I had forgotten to addthe option "align=righttoleft,” to "\setupnotations[lnote]”. Having doneso, adding the method options do have an effect. But the output is stillflawed; the beginning of the third note is missing at the end of thefirst line of the footnote, while its last few words can be seen on thesecond line of the footnote. See my new attachment (linenotes r2l 3,tex) below:Hi Talal,replace you bidi settings with this ones:\setupdirections[bidi=global, method=two]\startsetups[note:linenote]  \setupdirections[bidi=global,method=two,fences=yes]\stopsetups\setupalign[r2l]At least, they work for me.Pablo-- http://www.ousia.tk___If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-contextwebpage  : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.netarchive  : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/wiki : http://contextgarden.net__
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-08-02 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 08/02/2015 12:02 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Apologies: While the problem remains, I realise now that using "method=one"
> or "method=two" wasn’t having any effect because I had forgotten to add
> the option "align=righttoleft,” to "\setupnotations[lnote]”. Having done
> so, adding the method options do have an effect. But the output is still
> flawed; the beginning of the third note is missing at the end of the
> first line of the footnote, while its last few words can be seen on the
> second line of the footnote. See my new attachment (linenotes r2l 3,tex) 
> below:

Hi Talal,

replace you bidi settings with this ones:

\setupdirections[bidi=global, method=two]

\startsetups[note:linenote]
  \setupdirections[bidi=global,method=two,fences=yes]
\stopsetups

\setupalign[r2l]

At least, they work for me.


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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-08-02 Thread talazem

Apologies: While the problem remains, I realise now that using "method=one" or 
"method=two" wasn’t having any effect because I had forgotten to add the option 
"align=righttoleft,” to "\setupnotations[lnote]”. Having done so, adding the 
method options do have an effect. But the output is still flawed; the beginning 
of the third note is missing at the end of the first line of the footnote, 
while its last few words can be seen on the second line of the footnote. See my 
new attachment (linenotes r2l 3,tex) below:



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> On 2 Aug 2015, at 10:20, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> 
> Thank you, Pablo, for bringing method=two to my attention. I’ve read what has 
> been written about in on the mailing list. However, in my case, it does not 
> solve the problem. On the document I’ve attached:
> - using method=default produces the error I raised yesterday;
> - using method=one (or method=two) seem to do nothing — the parentheses are 
> still inversed, as if I hadn’t defined \setupdirections at all. See attached:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Talal
> 
>> On 2 Aug 2015, at 08:52, Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:
>> 
>> On 08/02/2015 12:36 AM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>>> I’ve run into a hiccup. In the previous MWE that worked with Woflgang and
>>> Hans’ patch, the notes were footnotes. However, if make them into
>>> linenotes, we run into a strange problem: the first note is typeset
>>> correctly, but all the remaining linenotes in that stream are typeset on
>>> the bottom left corner of the page. See attached files.
>> 
>> Hi Talal,
>> 
>> I experienced this issue before (although r2l languages are all Greek to
>> me :-().
>> 
>> \setupdirections[bidi=global, method=two] seems to fix the problem.
>> 
>> I hope it helps,
>> 
>> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-08-02 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

Thank you, Pablo, for bringing method=two to my attention. I’ve read what has 
been written about in on the mailing list. However, in my case, it does not 
solve the problem. On the document I’ve attached:
- using method=default produces the error I raised yesterday;
- using method=one (or method=two) seem to do nothing — the parentheses are 
still inversed, as if I hadn’t defined \setupdirections at all. See attached:



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Talal

> On 2 Aug 2015, at 08:52, Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:
> 
> On 08/02/2015 12:36 AM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>> I’ve run into a hiccup. In the previous MWE that worked with Woflgang and
>> Hans’ patch, the notes were footnotes. However, if make them into
>> linenotes, we run into a strange problem: the first note is typeset
>> correctly, but all the remaining linenotes in that stream are typeset on
>> the bottom left corner of the page. See attached files.
> 
> Hi Talal,
> 
> I experienced this issue before (although r2l languages are all Greek to
> me :-().
> 
> \setupdirections[bidi=global, method=two] seems to fix the problem.
> 
> I hope it helps,
> 
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-08-02 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 08/02/2015 12:36 AM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I’ve run into a hiccup. In the previous MWE that worked with Woflgang and
> Hans’ patch, the notes were footnotes. However, if make them into
> linenotes, we run into a strange problem: the first note is typeset
> correctly, but all the remaining linenotes in that stream are typeset on
> the bottom left corner of the page. See attached files.

Hi Talal,

I experienced this issue before (although r2l languages are all Greek to
me :-().

\setupdirections[bidi=global, method=two] seems to fix the problem.

I hope it helps,


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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-08-01 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

I’ve run into a hiccup. In the previous MWE that worked with Woflgang and Hans’ 
patch, the notes were footnotes. However, if make them into linenotes, we run 
into a strange problem: the first note is typeset correctly, but all the 
remaining linenotes in that stream are typeset on the bottom left corner of the 
page. See attached files.

Best wishes,
Talal



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> On 31 Jul 2015, at 12:07, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> 
> Excellent. This seems to solve the problem completely. I even tried mixing 
> Arabic and English text in the RTL footnotes, switched on the 
> “alternative=serried” option, and defined my own custom note streams — 
> everything worked very well. The only thing that didn’t work is to mix, in 
> the same stream, footnotes that are LTR with footnotes that are RTL. But I 
> did not expect this to work, and I cannot think of a real world scenario in 
> which such footnotes would/should be mixed in the same stream.
> 
> Attached are both the .tex file and the PDF with a perfectly working example. 
> Many thanks to you both, Wolfgang and Hans. Hans, I assume we’ll know if the 
> patch eventually makes it into a beta? 
> 
> Best,
> Talal
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2015, at 09:39, Hans Hagen  wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/31/2015 1:51 AM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>>> You’re right. The patch gets us half way to the desired behaviour
>>> (namely, correct ordering of the footnotes within the paragraph). But it
>>> seems that the ‘paragraph’ option doesn’t play well with RTL generally,
>>> resulting in the second note disappearing when using
>>> \startsetups[note:footnote] \setupdirections[bidi=global] \stopsetups.
>> 
>> can you try
>> 
>> \unprotect
>> 
>> \unexpanded\def\leftorrightvbox{\ifconditional\displaylefttoright\expandafter\lefttorightvbox\else\expandafter\righttoleftvbox\fi}
>> 
>> \def\strc_notes_flush_global
>> {\begingroup
>>  \useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
>>  \doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
>>{\leftorrightvbox
>>   {\starthboxestohbox
>> \iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
>>\stophboxestohbox}}
>> {\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
>>  \endgroup}
>> 
>> \protect
>> 
>> 
 On 30 Jul 2015, at 20:04, Wolfgang Schuster
 mailto:schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
> tala...@fastmail.fm 
> 30. Juli 2015 20:37
> I’ve come across a snag. When using parentheses in Arabic footnotes, they 
> are flipped. In any earlier email 
> (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/91501/match=setupdirections+bidi+global),
>  you had advised adding the following:
> 
>> \startsetups[note:footnote]
>>  \setupdirections[bidi=global]
>> \stopsetups
>> 
>> \setupnote[footnote][setups=note:footnote] % align=righttoleft
> However, if one does this with your patch, the second footnote gets 
> dropped. Here is the MWE:
> 
 The second note disappears even without the patch, the problem this
 the paragraph option for the notes.
 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-31 Thread Hans Hagen


On 7/31/2015 1:07 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:

Excellent. This seems to solve the problem completely. I even tried mixing 
Arabic and English text in the RTL footnotes, switched on the 
“alternative=serried” option, and defined my own custom note streams — 
everything worked very well. The only thing that didn’t work is to mix, in the 
same stream, footnotes that are LTR with footnotes that are RTL. But I did not 
expect this to work, and I cannot think of a real world scenario in which such 
footnotes would/should be mixed in the same stream.

Attached are both the .tex file and the PDF with a perfectly working example. 
Many thanks to you both, Wolfgang and Hans. Hans, I assume we’ll know if the 
patch eventually makes it into a beta?


yes but no upload today (i've also added the example to the test suite)

Hans

(you can put the patch in cont-new.mkiv in the meantime)

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-31 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد


Talal, Wolfgang, Hans,
Salaam.

This is beautiful progress!

Nice Arabic editing font in the sample too -)

Best wishes
Idris

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 05:07:45 -0600, tala...@fastmail.fm  
 wrote:


Excellent. This seems to solve the problem completely. I even tried  
mixing Arabic and English text in the RTL footnotes, switched on the  
“alternative=serried” option, and defined my own custom note streams —  
everything worked very well. The only thing that didn’t work is to mix,  
in the same stream, footnotes that are LTR with footnotes that are RTL.  
But I did not expect this to work, and I cannot think of a real world  
scenario in which such footnotes would/should be mixed in the same  
stream.


Attached are both the .tex file and the PDF with a perfectly working  
example. Many thanks to you both, Wolfgang and Hans. Hans, I assume  
we’ll know if the patch eventually makes it into a beta?


Best,
Talal




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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-31 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

Excellent. This seems to solve the problem completely. I even tried mixing 
Arabic and English text in the RTL footnotes, switched on the 
“alternative=serried” option, and defined my own custom note streams — 
everything worked very well. The only thing that didn’t work is to mix, in the 
same stream, footnotes that are LTR with footnotes that are RTL. But I did not 
expect this to work, and I cannot think of a real world scenario in which such 
footnotes would/should be mixed in the same stream.

Attached are both the .tex file and the PDF with a perfectly working example. 
Many thanks to you both, Wolfgang and Hans. Hans, I assume we’ll know if the 
patch eventually makes it into a beta? 

Best,
Talal



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> On 31 Jul 2015, at 09:39, Hans Hagen  wrote:
> 
> On 7/31/2015 1:51 AM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>> You’re right. The patch gets us half way to the desired behaviour
>> (namely, correct ordering of the footnotes within the paragraph). But it
>> seems that the ‘paragraph’ option doesn’t play well with RTL generally,
>> resulting in the second note disappearing when using
>> \startsetups[note:footnote] \setupdirections[bidi=global] \stopsetups.
> 
> can you try
> 
> \unprotect
> 
> \unexpanded\def\leftorrightvbox{\ifconditional\displaylefttoright\expandafter\lefttorightvbox\else\expandafter\righttoleftvbox\fi}
> 
> \def\strc_notes_flush_global
>  {\begingroup
>   \useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
>   \doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
> {\leftorrightvbox
>{\starthboxestohbox
> \iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
> \stophboxestohbox}}
> {\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
>   \endgroup}
> 
> \protect
> 
> 
>>> On 30 Jul 2015, at 20:04, Wolfgang Schuster
>>> mailto:schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
 tala...@fastmail.fm 
 30. Juli 2015 20:37
 I’ve come across a snag. When using parentheses in Arabic footnotes, they 
 are flipped. In any earlier email 
 (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/91501/match=setupdirections+bidi+global),
  you had advised adding the following:
 
> \startsetups[note:footnote]
>   \setupdirections[bidi=global]
> \stopsetups
> 
> \setupnote[footnote][setups=note:footnote] % align=righttoleft
 However, if one does this with your patch, the second footnote gets 
 dropped. Here is the MWE:
 
>>> The second note disappears even without the patch, the problem this
>>> the paragraph option for the notes.
>>> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-31 Thread Hans Hagen


On 7/31/2015 1:51 AM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:

You’re right. The patch gets us half way to the desired behaviour
(namely, correct ordering of the footnotes within the paragraph). But it
seems that the ‘paragraph’ option doesn’t play well with RTL generally,
resulting in the second note disappearing when using
\startsetups[note:footnote] \setupdirections[bidi=global] \stopsetups.


can you try

\unprotect

\unexpanded\def\leftorrightvbox{\ifconditional\displaylefttoright\expandafter\lefttorightvbox\else\expandafter\righttoleftvbox\fi}

\def\strc_notes_flush_global
  {\begingroup
   \useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
   \doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
 {\leftorrightvbox
{\starthboxestohbox

\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
 \stophboxestohbox}}

{\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
   \endgroup}

\protect



On 30 Jul 2015, at 20:04, Wolfgang Schuster
mailto:schuster.wolfg...@gmail.com>> wrote:


tala...@fastmail.fm 
30. Juli 2015 20:37
I’ve come across a snag. When using parentheses in Arabic footnotes, they are 
flipped. In any earlier email 
(http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/91501/match=setupdirections+bidi+global),
 you had advised adding the following:


\startsetups[note:footnote]
   \setupdirections[bidi=global]
\stopsetups

\setupnote[footnote][setups=note:footnote] % align=righttoleft

However, if one does this with your patch, the second footnote gets dropped. 
Here is the MWE:


The second note disappears even without the patch, the problem this
the paragraph option for the notes.

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

You’re right. The patch gets us half way to the desired behaviour (namely, 
correct ordering of the footnotes within the paragraph). But it seems that the 
‘paragraph’ option doesn’t play well with RTL generally, resulting in the 
second note disappearing when using \startsetups[note:footnote] 
\setupdirections[bidi=global] \stopsetups.

> On 30 Jul 2015, at 20:04, Wolfgang Schuster  
> wrote:
> 
>> tala...@fastmail.fm  30. Juli 2015 20:37
>> I’ve come across a snag. When using parentheses in Arabic footnotes, they 
>> are flipped. In any earlier email 
>> (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/91501/match=setupdirections+bidi+global
>>  
>> ),
>>  you had advised adding the following:
>> 
>>> \startsetups[note:footnote]
>>>   \setupdirections[bidi=global]
>>> \stopsetups
>>> 
>>> \setupnote[footnote][setups=note:footnote] % align=righttoleft
>> However, if one does this with your patch, the second footnote gets dropped. 
>> Here is the MWE:
>> 
> The second note disappears even without the patch, the problem this the 
> paragraph option for the notes.
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


tala...@fastmail.fm 
30. Juli 2015 20:37
I’ve come across a snag. When using parentheses in Arabic footnotes, they are 
flipped. In any earlier email 
(http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/91501/match=setupdirections+bidi+global),
 you had advised adding the following:


\startsetups[note:footnote]
   \setupdirections[bidi=global]
\stopsetups

\setupnote[footnote][setups=note:footnote] % align=righttoleft


However, if one does this with your patch, the second footnote gets dropped. 
Here is the MWE:

The second note disappears even without the patch, the problem this the 
paragraph option for the notes.


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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

I’ve come across a snag. When using parentheses in Arabic footnotes, they are 
flipped. In any earlier email 
(http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/91501/match=setupdirections+bidi+global),
 you had advised adding the following:

> \startsetups[note:footnote]
>   \setupdirections[bidi=global]
> \stopsetups
> 
> \setupnote[footnote][setups=note:footnote] % align=righttoleft


However, if one does this with your patch, the second footnote gets dropped. 
Here is the MWE:

> \unprotect
> 
> \def\strc_notes_flush_global
>   {\begingroup
>\useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
>\doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
>  {%\vbox\starthboxestohbox
>   \vbox\ifconditional\displaylefttoright \else dir TRT 
> \fi\starthboxestohbox
> \iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
>   \stophboxestohbox}
>  
> {\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
>\endgroup}
> 
> \protect
> 
> \definefontfamily[mainface][serif][ALMFixed][features=arabic,range=arabic,]
> \setupbodyfont [mainface]
> 
> \startsetups[note:footnote]
>\setupdirections[bidi=global]
> \stopsetups
> 
> \setupnote[footnote][paragraph=yes,align=righttoleft,setups=note:footnote,]
> \setupnotation[footnote][align=righttoleft,alternative=serried,]
> 
> \showframe
> 
> \starttext
> 
> First note.\footnote{هذه هي (التعليقة) الأولى.}
> Second note.\footnote{هذه هي (التعليقة) الثانية.}
> 
> \stoptext


All the best,
Talal


> On 30 Jul 2015, at 18:54, Wolfgang Schuster  
> wrote:
> 
>> Pablo Rodriguez 30. Juli 2015 16:26
>> 
>> I wonder whether there is a bug somewhere in notes, because you may have
>> r2l notations, but the notes paragraph is built l2r:
>> 
>> \setuppapersize[A6]
>> \starttext \showframe
>> 
>> \definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}, paragraph=yes]
>> \definenotation[afootnote][align=r2l]
>> 
>> \startalignment[r2l]
>> Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
>> Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
>> Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
>> \stopalignment
>> 
>> \stoptext
> Can you test the following patch.
> 
> \unprotect
> 
> \def\strc_notes_flush_global
>   {\begingroup
>\useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
>\doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
>  {%\vbox\starthboxestohbox
>   \vbox\ifconditional\displaylefttoright \else dir TRT 
> \fi\starthboxestohbox
> \iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
>   \stophboxestohbox}
>  
> {\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
>\endgroup}
> 
> \protect
> 
> %\setupalign[righttoleft]
> 
> \setupnote[footnote][paragraph=yes,align=righttoleft]
> \setupnotation[footnote][align=righttoleft]
> 
> \showframe
> 
> \starttext
> 
> First note.\footnote{This is the first footnote.}
> Second note.\footnote{This is the second footnote.}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 07/30/2015 07:54 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
>> Pablo Rodriguez 30. Juli 2015 16:26
>>
>> I wonder whether there is a bug somewhere in notes, because you may have
>> r2l notations, but the notes paragraph is built l2r:
>> [...]
> Can you test the following patch.

Hi Wolfgang,

your patch works fine with both samples.

What I wonder is wheter \setupnote and \setupnototation should inherit
the property from \setupalign[r2l] or from the alignment in the body
position where they are inserted.


Pablo



> \unprotect
> 
> \def\strc_notes_flush_global
>   {\begingroup
>\useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
>\doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
>  {%\vbox\starthboxestohbox
>   \vbox\ifconditional\displaylefttoright \else dir TRT
> \fi\starthboxestohbox
>
> \iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
>   \stophboxestohbox}
> 
> {\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
>\endgroup}
> 
> \protect
> 
> %\setupalign[righttoleft]
> 
> \setupnote[footnote][paragraph=yes,align=righttoleft]
> \setupnotation[footnote][align=righttoleft]
> 
> \showframe
> 
> \starttext
> 
> First note.\footnote{This is the first footnote.}
> Second note.\footnote{This is the second footnote.}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

Indeed, that seems to do the trick, Wolfgang.

> On 30 Jul 2015, at 18:54, Wolfgang Schuster  
> wrote:
> 
>> Pablo Rodriguez 30. Juli 2015 16:26
>> 
>> I wonder whether there is a bug somewhere in notes, because you may have
>> r2l notations, but the notes paragraph is built l2r:
>> 
>> \setuppapersize[A6]
>> \starttext \showframe
>> 
>> \definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}, paragraph=yes]
>> \definenotation[afootnote][align=r2l]
>> 
>> \startalignment[r2l]
>> Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
>> Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
>> Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
>> \stopalignment
>> 
>> \stoptext
> Can you test the following patch.
> 
> \unprotect
> 
> \def\strc_notes_flush_global
>   {\begingroup
>\useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
>\doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
>  {%\vbox\starthboxestohbox
>   \vbox\ifconditional\displaylefttoright \else dir TRT 
> \fi\starthboxestohbox
> \iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
>   \stophboxestohbox}
>  
> {\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
>\endgroup}
> 
> \protect
> 
> %\setupalign[righttoleft]
> 
> \setupnote[footnote][paragraph=yes,align=righttoleft]
> \setupnotation[footnote][align=righttoleft]
> 
> \showframe
> 
> \starttext
> 
> First note.\footnote{This is the first footnote.}
> Second note.\footnote{This is the second footnote.}
> 
> \stoptext
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد


Hi Wolfgang,

On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:54:55 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster  
 wrote:



Pablo Rodriguez 
30. Juli 2015 16:26

I wonder whether there is a bug somewhere in notes, because you may have
r2l notations, but the notes paragraph is built l2r:

\setuppapersize[A6]
\starttext \showframe

\definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}, paragraph=yes]
\definenotation[afootnote][align=r2l]

\startalignment[r2l]
Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
\stopalignment

\stoptext

Can you test the following patch.

\unprotect

\def\strc_notes_flush_global
   {\begingroup
\useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
\doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
  {%\vbox\starthboxestohbox
   \vbox\ifconditional\displaylefttoright \else dir TRT
\fi\starthboxestohbox
\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
   \stophboxestohbox}
{\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
\endgroup}

\protect

%\setupalign[righttoleft]

\setupnote[footnote][paragraph=yes,align=righttoleft]
\setupnotation[footnote][align=righttoleft]

\showframe

\starttext

First note.\footnote{This is the first footnote.}
Second note.\footnote{This is the second footnote.}

\stoptext

Wolfgang


Looking good... Question:

From strc-not.mkvi===
\def\strc_notes_flush_global
  {\begingroup
   \useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
   \doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
 {\vbox\starthboxestohbox
\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber
  \stophboxestohbox}
 
{\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%
   \endgroup}
=

What was key point of attack in the original definition that was  
hardwiring the TLT in the note markers?


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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


Pablo Rodriguez 
30. Juli 2015 16:26

I wonder whether there is a bug somewhere in notes, because you may have
r2l notations, but the notes paragraph is built l2r:

\setuppapersize[A6]
\starttext \showframe

\definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}, paragraph=yes]
\definenotation[afootnote][align=r2l]

\startalignment[r2l]
Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
\stopalignment

\stoptext

Can you test the following patch.

\unprotect

\def\strc_notes_flush_global
  {\begingroup
   \useinterlinespaceparameter\noteparameter
   \doifelse{\noteparameter\c!paragraph}\v!yes
 {%\vbox\starthboxestohbox
  \vbox\ifconditional\displaylefttoright \else dir TRT 
\fi\starthboxestohbox

\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopy\else\unvbox\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber

  \stophboxestohbox}
 
{\iftrialtypesetting\unvcopied\else\unvboxed\fi\currentnoteinsertionnumber}%

   \endgroup}

\protect

%\setupalign[righttoleft]

\setupnote[footnote][paragraph=yes,align=righttoleft]
\setupnotation[footnote][align=righttoleft]

\showframe

\starttext

First note.\footnote{This is the first footnote.}
Second note.\footnote{This is the second footnote.}

\stoptext

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 07/30/2015 04:43 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Thank you, Pablo. This is indeed the problem: the individual elements —
> the notes — are correctly RTL, but the overall “paragraph” is ordering
> the elements LTR (with the additional caveat the footnote paragraph is
> not properly aligned/justified to the right margin either).

Adding "\definenotation[afootnote][alternative=serried, align=r2l]"
makes alignment even worse.

Pablo


>> On 30 Jul 2015, at 15:26, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
>> On 07/30/2015 03:00 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>>> I wonder whether anyone might have any thoughts about the below? Many 
>>> thanks.
>>
>> I wonder whether there is a bug somewhere in notes, because you may have
>> r2l notations, but the notes paragraph is built l2r:
>>
>>\setuppapersize[A6]
>>\starttext \showframe
>>
>>\definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}, paragraph=yes]
>>\definenotation[afootnote][align=r2l]
>>
>>\startalignment[r2l]
>>Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
>>Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
>>Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
>>\stopalignment
>>
>>\stoptext
>>
>> Just in case it might help,
>>
>> Pablo


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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

Thank you, Pablo. This is indeed the problem: the individual elements — the 
notes — are correctly RTL, but the overall “paragraph” is ordering the elements 
LTR (with the additional caveat the footnote paragraph is not properly 
aligned/justified to the right margin either).

Best wishes,
Talal

> On 30 Jul 2015, at 15:26, Pablo Rodriguez  wrote:
> 
> On 07/30/2015 03:00 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>> I wonder whether anyone might have any thoughts about the below? Many thanks.
> 
> I wonder whether there is a bug somewhere in notes, because you may have
> r2l notations, but the notes paragraph is built l2r:
> 
>\setuppapersize[A6]
>\starttext \showframe
> 
>\definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}, paragraph=yes]
>\definenotation[afootnote][align=r2l]
> 
>\startalignment[r2l]
>Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
>Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
>Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
>\stopalignment
> 
>\stoptext
> 
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> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread Pablo Rodriguez

On 07/30/2015 03:00 PM, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I wonder whether anyone might have any thoughts about the below? Many thanks.

I wonder whether there is a bug somewhere in notes, because you may have
r2l notations, but the notes paragraph is built l2r:

\setuppapersize[A6]
\starttext \showframe

\definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}, paragraph=yes]
\definenotation[afootnote][align=r2l]

\startalignment[r2l]
Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
\stopalignment

\stoptext

Just in case it might help,

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-30 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

I wonder whether anyone might have any thoughts about the below? Many thanks.

> On 21 Jul 2015, at 20:56, tala...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> 
> I’m reviving this old thread, as the problem appears to still exist. Consider 
> the following:
> 
>> \starttext \showframe
>> 
>> \definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right},paragraph=no]
>> 
>> \startalignment[r2l]
>> Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
>> Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
>> Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
>> \stopalignment
>> 
>> \stoptext
> 
> 
> 
> In the output (r2l.pdf), the text runs from right to left as it should, and 
> the footnote reference numbers are in the right margin, as they should be.
> 
> However, if we switch the option “paragraph” to “yes”, the entire frame no 
> longer runs r2l (see the output in r2l-yes.pdf).
> 
> What I want is for the text to read as follows:
>> .eerht etontoof si sihT 3  .owt etontoof si sihT 2  .eno etontoof si sihT 1
> 
> where the entire frame begins at the right margin, such that the first 
> footnote number (1) is in the right margin, instead of in the left margin as 
> it is in r2l-yes.pdf. To say it another way, the entire footnote frame should 
> be r2l, regardless of its contents, perhaps (as Idris wrote to me) through 
> some hard direction switch for the entire frame.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Talal

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2015-07-21 Thread tala...@fastmail.fm

I’m reviving this old thread, as the problem appears to still exist. Consider 
the following:

> \starttext \showframe
> 
> \definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right},paragraph=no]
> 
> \startalignment[r2l]
> Testing.\afootnote{This is footnote one.}
> Testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote two.}
> Testing testing testing.\afootnote{This is footnote three.}
> \stopalignment
> 
> \stoptext



r2l.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document


In the output (r2l.pdf), the text runs from right to left as it should, and the 
footnote reference numbers are in the right margin, as they should be.

However, if we switch the option “paragraph” to “yes”, the entire frame no 
longer runs r2l (see the output in r2l-yes.pdf).


r2l-yes.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

What I want is for the text to read as follows:
> .eerht etontoof si sihT 3  .owt etontoof si sihT 2  .eno etontoof si sihT 1

where the entire frame begins at the right margin, such that the first footnote 
number (1) is in the right margin, instead of in the left margin as it is in 
r2l-yes.pdf. To say it another way, the entire footnote frame should be r2l, 
regardless of its contents, perhaps (as Idris wrote to me) through some hard 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Talal Al-Azem

Hello Hans,I have no clue what you want/need/.Take a look at the files attached. In the text:1. The first afootnote is: 		* Hickory dickory dock.2. The second afootnote is: 	† The mouse ran up the clock.3. The third afootnote is: 		‡ The clock struck one the mouse fell down.Now, in the apparatus: the order should be the same, but from right to left. So, reading from the right-to-left in the apparatus, it should read:.nwod llef esuom eht eno kcurts kcolc ehT ‡ .kcolc eht pu nar esuom ehT † .kcod yrokcid yrokciH ∗Which is the opposite of how it reads now. This is important for critical editions in Arabic (or other RtL languages) in which we are going to be dealing with the lemmas and variants.Does this make it a bit clearer?Kind regards,Talal 

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5-10-2010 3:28, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

Dear all,
>
>  Two quick questions regarding footnotes and Arabic:
>
>  1. How do I get a footnote rule/marker to go from right-to-left (i.e. to 
begin at the right margin instead of the left margin)?
>
>  2. I would like some of my footnote streams to run RtL for Arabic, and also 
for those footnotes to be in paragraph form (i.e. 
\setupnote[afootnote][paragraph=yes] ). But when I add this command, my footnote 
instead runs LtR, the letters get cut up (i.e. the Arabic script is not 
connected), and I lose my footnote marker to add insult to injury. How should I 
define a footnote stream to run RtL in paragraph form?


\starttext

\showframe

\definenote[afootnote][numberconversion=set 
2,paragraph=yes,rule=right,align=r2l]

\setupdescriptions[afootnote][display=no,location=serried,distance=.5em]

\startalignment[l2r]
test \footnote{\input ward }
test \afootnote{\input ward }
\input tufte
\stopalignment

\startalignment[r2l]
test \footnote{\input ward \par}
test \afootnote{\input ward \par }
\input tufte
\stopalignment

\stoptext

I have no clue what you want/need/.

Keep in mind that paragraph footnotes are quite tricky (at least 
currently, maybe I can cook up a more robust solution using lua).


Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5-10-2010 5:55, Talal Al-Azem wrote:

Hans, running your example through (what I think is) the latest beta, does not 
produce any Arabic in the PDF, if that was intended. I've attached the PDF.


do you have the font used (dejavu)

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Talal Al-Azem

Hans, running your example through (what I think is) the latest beta, does not 
produce any Arabic in the PDF, if that was intended. I've attached the PDF.

Kind regards,
Talal



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On 5 Oct 2010, at 16:25, Hans Hagen wrote:

> On 5-10-2010 5:07, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
> 
>>> Finally, so that I can start learning on my own without bothering you and 
>>> everyone else on the list, where would I have systematically found a 
>>> discussion of RtL feaures such as rule=right?
>> 
>> Maybe in the list archive but often such things are discussed offline, i 
>> found it myself in the source.
>> 
>>> Or are there any preexisting example files of complicated Arabic that I 
>>> could study and learn from?
>> 
>> I guess the wiki page you already know is currently the only source.
> 
> just a remark in addition to WS:
> 
> all bidi related code is under construction, that is, we're trying to figure 
> out a decent (useable) model for complex mixed direction documents
> 
> we implement this stepwise looking at each structure element and decide what 
> is needed, so best is just to notice what needs to be done and discuss it
> 
> apart from lefttoright/righttoleft we also need to deal with consistent 
> positioning
> 
> as we need to make manuals in due time we started with verbatim (there will 
> be several bidi models available; maybe Idris can send you the draft on bidi)
> 
> anyhow, here's some more: in addition to align options we also will have 
> locations reflecting the direction:
> 
> \definefont[MyMono][file:dejavusansmono sa 1]
> 
> \setuptyping [style=\MyMono,numbering=line,start=1,step=1]
> \definetyping [RLtyping] [align=r2l]
> \definetyping [LRtyping] [align=l2r]
> 
> \starttext
> 
> \startbuffer[sample]
> \startLRtyping
> At the left!
> أهلا
> \stopLRtyping
> 
> \startRLtyping
> At the right!
> أهلا
> \stopRLtyping
> 
> \startalignment[l2r]
> \starttyping
> At the left!
> أهلا
> \stoptyping
> \stopalignment
> 
> \startalignment[r2l]
> \starttyping
> At the right!
> أهلا
> \stoptyping
> \stopalignment
> \stopbuffer
> 
> \typebuffer[sample] \page
> 
> \startbuffer[settings]
> \setuplinenumbering[typing][location=left]
> \stopbuffer
> 
> \typebuffer[settings] \getbuffer[settings,sample] \page
> 
> \startbuffer[settings]
> \setuplinenumbering[typing][location=right]
> \stopbuffer
> 
> \typebuffer[settings] \getbuffer[settings,sample] \page
> 
> \startbuffer[settings]
> \setuplinenumbering[typing][location=begin]
> \stopbuffer
> 
> \typebuffer[settings] \getbuffer[settings,sample] \page
> 
> \startbuffer[settings]
> \setuplinenumbering[typing][location=end]
> \stopbuffer
> 
> \typebuffer[settings] \getbuffer[settings,sample] \page
> 
> \stoptext
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Hans Hagen


On 5-10-2010 5:07, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:


Finally, so that I can start learning on my own without bothering you and 
everyone else on the list, where would I have systematically found a discussion 
of RtL feaures such as rule=right?


Maybe in the list archive but often such things are discussed offline, i found 
it myself in the source.


Or are there any preexisting example files of complicated Arabic that I could 
study and learn from?


I guess the wiki page you already know is currently the only source.


just a remark in addition to WS:

all bidi related code is under construction, that is, we're trying to 
figure out a decent (useable) model for complex mixed direction documents


we implement this stepwise looking at each structure element and decide 
what is needed, so best is just to notice what needs to be done and 
discuss it


apart from lefttoright/righttoleft we also need to deal with consistent 
positioning


as we need to make manuals in due time we started with verbatim (there 
will be several bidi models available; maybe Idris can send you the 
draft on bidi)


anyhow, here's some more: in addition to align options we also will have 
locations reflecting the direction:


\definefont[MyMono][file:dejavusansmono sa 1]

\setuptyping [style=\MyMono,numbering=line,start=1,step=1]
\definetyping [RLtyping] [align=r2l]
\definetyping [LRtyping] [align=l2r]

\starttext

\startbuffer[sample]
\startLRtyping
At the left!
أهلا
\stopLRtyping

\startRLtyping
At the right!
أهلا
\stopRLtyping

\startalignment[l2r]
\starttyping
At the left!
أهلا
\stoptyping
\stopalignment

\startalignment[r2l]
\starttyping
At the right!
أهلا
\stoptyping
\stopalignment
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer[sample] \page

\startbuffer[settings]
\setuplinenumbering[typing][location=left]
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer[settings] \getbuffer[settings,sample] \page

\startbuffer[settings]
\setuplinenumbering[typing][location=right]
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer[settings] \getbuffer[settings,sample] \page

\startbuffer[settings]
\setuplinenumbering[typing][location=begin]
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer[settings] \getbuffer[settings,sample] \page

\startbuffer[settings]
\setuplinenumbering[typing][location=end]
\stopbuffer

\typebuffer[settings] \getbuffer[settings,sample] \page

\stoptext




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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Talal Al-Azem

Wolfgang, thank you once again. One last problem, if I may.

>> Thanks Wolfgang. That makes that matter clearer. But how do I get those 
>> Arabic footnotes to be right aligned as well?
> 
> \definenote[afootnote][numberconversion=set 
> 2,paragraph=yes,rule=right,align={flushright,righttoleft}]

After replacing your "rightoleft" above with your earlier r2l (the former 
didn't work, the latter did), this indeed did cause the footnote block to move 
to the right margin. However, the note 1 is still on the far left, note 2 in 
the middle, and note 3 on the far right, instead of the other way around (note 
1 on far right, note 2 in middle, note 3 on the far left), which is the logical 
ordering since we are reading right to left. (See attached pdf example, compare 
the order of the footnotes in the paragraph to the order *from right-to-left* 
in the footnote area.)



testminimal.pdf
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>> May I also ask: what is the purpose, at least in my example that I'm 
>> learning from, of:
>> \definefontfeature[arabic][default][mode=node,script=arabic] ?
>> 
>> I ask, because when I switched it from [default][default] to 
>> [arabic][default] as you suggested, the Arabic glyphs no longer connected, 
>> and the text actually spilled over into the footnote space. When I commented 
>> it out, the glyphs connected again.
> 
> With my setting you create a new font feature ”arabic” which inherits the 
> setting from the ”default” features with the extra settings “mode=node” and 
> ”script=arabic” while your settings extends the ”default” features with these 
> values. I did this because you use the ”arabic” font feature in the 
> \definemainfontfallback setup but i forgot that context already has a 
> “arabic” feature which enables a lot of font options which you need.

So, in light of what you and Khaled have mentioned, I suppose I can remove that 
line, and simply use:
\setmainfontfallback[Lotus 
Linotype][scale=1.33,features=arabic,range={arabic,arabicpresentationformsa,arabicpresentationformsb,arabicsupplement}]


>> Finally, so that I can start learning on my own without bothering you and 
>> everyone else on the list, where would I have systematically found a 
>> discussion of RtL feaures such as rule=right?
> 
> Maybe in the list archive but often such things are discussed offline, i 
> found it myself in the source.

Scouring the source is rather intimidating at this stage. I guess that at least 
partially justifies my sending questions on here, since I haven't seen r2l 
mentioned anywhere else at all. ;-)

>> Or are there any preexisting example files of complicated Arabic that I 
>> could study and learn from?
> I guess the wiki page you already know is currently the only source.

Yes, I'm looking for more real-world, detailed examples, to study and mould my 
own document off of. In any case, once I'm more self-confident, maybe I can do 
my bit and add some of this info onto the wiki.

Thank you for all of your time and help.

Kind regards,
Talal

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


Am 05.10.2010 um 16:18 schrieb Talal Al-Azem:

> Thanks Wolfgang. That makes that matter clearer. But how do I get those 
> Arabic footnotes to be right aligned as well?

\definenote[afootnote][numberconversion=set 
2,paragraph=yes,rule=right,align={flushright,righttoleft}]

> May I also ask: what is the purpose, at least in my example that I'm learning 
> from, of:
> \definefontfeature[arabic][default][mode=node,script=arabic] ?
> 
> I ask, because when I switched it from [default][default] to 
> [arabic][default] as you suggested, the Arabic glyphs no longer connected, 
> and the text actually spilled over into the footnote space. When I commented 
> it out, the glyphs connected again.

With my setting you create a new font feature ”arabic” which inherits the 
setting from the ”default” features with the extra settings “mode=node” and 
”script=arabic” while your settings extends the ”default” features with these 
values. I did this because you use the ”arabic” font feature in the 
\definemainfontfallback setup but i forgot that context already has a “arabic” 
feature which enables a lot of font options which you need.

> Finally, so that I can start learning on my own without bothering you and 
> everyone else on the list, where would I have systematically found a 
> discussion of RtL feaures such as rule=right?

Maybe in the list archive but often such things are discussed offline, i found 
it myself in the source.

> Or are there any preexisting example files of complicated Arabic that I could 
> study and learn from?

I guess the wiki page you already know is currently the only source.

Wolfgang

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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Khaled Hosny

On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 03:18:31PM +0100, Talal Al-Azem wrote:
> Thanks Wolfgang. That makes that matter clearer. But how do I get those 
> Arabic footnotes to be right aligned as well?
> 
> May I also ask: what is the purpose, at least in my example that I'm learning 
> from, of:
> \definefontfeature[arabic][default][mode=node,script=arabic] ?

The first argument is the name of the new feature set, the second is an
optional feature set to be inherited. Actually, ConTeXt already has a
predefined "arabic" feature and you can just use it.

Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Talal Al-Azem

Thanks Wolfgang. That makes that matter clearer. But how do I get those Arabic 
footnotes to be right aligned as well?

May I also ask: what is the purpose, at least in my example that I'm learning 
from, of:
\definefontfeature[arabic][default][mode=node,script=arabic] ?

I ask, because when I switched it from [default][default] to [arabic][default] 
as you suggested, the Arabic glyphs no longer connected, and the text actually 
spilled over into the footnote space. When I commented it out, the glyphs 
connected again.

Finally, so that I can start learning on my own without bothering you and 
everyone else on the list, where would I have systematically found a discussion 
of RtL feaures such as rule=right? Or are there any preexisting example files 
of complicated Arabic that I could study and learn from?

Kind regards,
Talal

p.s. Thanks for the \definestartstop environment. As you can see, I'm still 
learning the basics of ConTeXt. :-)

On 5 Oct 2010, at 14:28, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

> 
> Am 05.10.2010 um 14:48 schrieb Talal Al-Azem:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> Two quick questions regarding footnotes and Arabic:
>> 
>> 1. How do I get a footnote rule/marker to go from right-to-left (i.e. to 
>> begin at the right margin instead of the left margin)?
>> 
>> 2. I would like some of my footnote streams to run RtL for Arabic, and also 
>> for those footnotes to be in paragraph form (i.e. 
>> \setupnote[afootnote][paragraph=yes] ). But when I add this command, my 
>> footnote instead runs LtR, the letters get cut up (i.e. the Arabic script is 
>> not connected), and I lose my footnote marker to add insult to injury. How 
>> should I define a footnote stream to run RtL in paragraph form?
>> 
>> Many thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Talal
>> 
>> p.s. Below is my attempt thus far, with the problem of defining 
>> paragraph=yes, and with the problem of the footnote rule/marker. Reference 
>> to what I should change in this example would be most helpful:
>> 
>> ==
>> 
>> %%%  SETUP AREA
>> 
>> %%   PAGE SETUP
>> \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
>> \setuplayout[grid=on]
>> \showgrid
>> \setupinterlinespace[line=3.8ex]
>> \setupindenting[yes,big]
>> 
>> %%   FONTS
>> \usemodule[simplefonts]
>> \setupsimplefonts[size=12pt]
>> \definefontfeature[default]  [default]  [mode=node,script=arabic]
> 
> \definefontfeature[arabic][default][mode=node,script=arabic]
> 
>> \setmainfontfallback[Lotus Linotype]  
>> [scale=1.33,features=arabic,range={arabic,arabicsupplement}]
>> 
>> %%   PARAGRAPH DIRECTION & SPACING - ARABIC - ENGLISH
>> \def\arabpar {\textdir TRT\pardir TRT}
>> \automigrateinserts % to ensure that certain levels of footnotes show up 
>> (raw MKIV feature)
>> 
>> %%   FOOTNOTES
>> \setupfootnotedefinition[location=serried]
>> 
>> \definenote[afootnote][conversion=set 2]
>> \setupnote[afootnote][paragraph=yes]
> 
> \definenote[afootnote][numberconversion=set 
> 2,paragraph=yes,rule=right,align=r2l]
> \setupnotedefinition[afootnote][location=serried,display=no]
> 
>> %%%  TEXT
>> \starttext
>> 
>> \input knuth
>> 
>> \startbaselinecorrection\setupinterlinespace[line=5ex]
>> \arabpar{
>> هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه 
>> الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه 
>> رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه 
>> الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير
>> \afootnote{هذه فوتنوت.}
>> هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
>> مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل 
>> النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
>> مانعة
>> }
>> \stopbaselinecorrection
> 
> \startbaselinecorrection\setupinterlinespace[line=5ex]\arabpar
> هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه 
> الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه 
> رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ 
> الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير
> \afootnote{هذه فوتنوت.}
> هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
> مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل 
> النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
> مانعة
> \stopbaselinecorrection
> 
> To make this block simpler you can write your own environment for it:
> 
> \definestartstop
>  [arabic]
>  [before={\startbaselinecorrection\setupinterlinespace[line=5ex]\arabpar},
>   after=\stopbaselinecorrection]
> 
> \startarabic
> هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه 
> الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه 
> رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ 
> الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير
> \afootnote{هذه فوتنوت.}

Re: [NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Wolfgang Schuster


Am 05.10.2010 um 14:48 schrieb Talal Al-Azem:

> Dear all,
> 
> Two quick questions regarding footnotes and Arabic:
> 
> 1. How do I get a footnote rule/marker to go from right-to-left (i.e. to 
> begin at the right margin instead of the left margin)?
> 
> 2. I would like some of my footnote streams to run RtL for Arabic, and also 
> for those footnotes to be in paragraph form (i.e. 
> \setupnote[afootnote][paragraph=yes] ). But when I add this command, my 
> footnote instead runs LtR, the letters get cut up (i.e. the Arabic script is 
> not connected), and I lose my footnote marker to add insult to injury. How 
> should I define a footnote stream to run RtL in paragraph form?
> 
> Many thanks in advance.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Talal
> 
> p.s. Below is my attempt thus far, with the problem of defining 
> paragraph=yes, and with the problem of the footnote rule/marker. Reference to 
> what I should change in this example would be most helpful:
> 
> ==
> 
> %%%   SETUP AREA
> 
> %%PAGE SETUP
> \setuppapersize[A4][A4]
> \setuplayout[grid=on]
> \showgrid
> \setupinterlinespace[line=3.8ex]
> \setupindenting[yes,big]
> 
> %%FONTS
> \usemodule[simplefonts]
> \setupsimplefonts[size=12pt]
> \definefontfeature[default]  [default]  [mode=node,script=arabic]

\definefontfeature[arabic][default][mode=node,script=arabic]

> \setmainfontfallback[Lotus Linotype]  
> [scale=1.33,features=arabic,range={arabic,arabicsupplement}]
> 
> %%PARAGRAPH DIRECTION & SPACING - ARABIC - ENGLISH
> \def\arabpar  {\textdir TRT\pardir TRT}
> \automigrateinserts % to ensure that certain levels of footnotes show up (raw 
> MKIV feature)
> 
> %%FOOTNOTES
> \setupfootnotedefinition[location=serried]
> 
> \definenote[afootnote][conversion=set 2]
> \setupnote[afootnote][paragraph=yes]

\definenote[afootnote][numberconversion=set 
2,paragraph=yes,rule=right,align=r2l]
\setupnotedefinition[afootnote][location=serried,display=no]

> %%%   TEXT
> \starttext
> 
> \input knuth
> 
> \startbaselinecorrection\setupinterlinespace[line=5ex]
> \arabpar{
> هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه 
> الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه 
> رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ 
> الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير
> \afootnote{هذه فوتنوت.}
> هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
> مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل 
> النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
> مانعة
> }
> \stopbaselinecorrection

\startbaselinecorrection\setupinterlinespace[line=5ex]\arabpar
هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه 
الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه 
رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ 
الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير
\afootnote{هذه فوتنوت.}
هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل 
النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة
\stopbaselinecorrection

To make this block simpler you can write your own environment for it:

\definestartstop
  [arabic]
  [before={\startbaselinecorrection\setupinterlinespace[line=5ex]\arabpar},
   after=\stopbaselinecorrection]

\startarabic
هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه 
الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه 
رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ 
الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير
\afootnote{هذه فوتنوت.}
هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل 
النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة
\stoparabic

Wolfgang

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[NTG-context] footnotes when using RtL (Arabic)

2010-10-05 Thread Talal Al-Azem

Dear all,

Two quick questions regarding footnotes and Arabic:

1. How do I get a footnote rule/marker to go from right-to-left (i.e. to begin 
at the right margin instead of the left margin)?

2. I would like some of my footnote streams to run RtL for Arabic, and also for 
those footnotes to be in paragraph form (i.e. 
\setupnote[afootnote][paragraph=yes] ). But when I add this command, my 
footnote instead runs LtR, the letters get cut up (i.e. the Arabic script is 
not connected), and I lose my footnote marker to add insult to injury. How 
should I define a footnote stream to run RtL in paragraph form?

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards,
Talal

p.s. Below is my attempt thus far, with the problem of defining paragraph=yes, 
and with the problem of the footnote rule/marker. Reference to what I should 
change in this example would be most helpful:

==

%%% SETUP AREA

%%  PAGE SETUP
\setuppapersize[A4][A4]
\setuplayout[grid=on]
\showgrid
\setupinterlinespace[line=3.8ex]
\setupindenting[yes,big]

%%  FONTS
\usemodule[simplefonts]
\setupsimplefonts[size=12pt]
\definefontfeature[default]  [default]  [mode=node,script=arabic]
\setmainfontfallback[Lotus Linotype]  
[scale=1.33,features=arabic,range={arabic,arabicsupplement}]

%%  PARAGRAPH DIRECTION & SPACING - ARABIC - ENGLISH
\def\arabpar{\textdir TRT\pardir TRT}
\automigrateinserts % to ensure that certain levels of footnotes show up (raw 
MKIV feature)

%%  FOOTNOTES
\setupfootnotedefinition[location=serried]

\definenote[afootnote][conversion=set 2]
\setupnote[afootnote][paragraph=yes]


%%% TEXT
\starttext

\input knuth

\startbaselinecorrection\setupinterlinespace[line=5ex]
\arabpar{
هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه 
الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه 
رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ 
الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير
\afootnote{هذه فوتنوت.}
هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة 
مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل 
النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة ألفه الشيخ الفاضل النحرير  هذه رسالة جامعة مانعة
}
\stopbaselinecorrection

Thus, I came to the conclusion that the designer\footnote{Such as Knuth 
himself.} of a new system must not only be the implementer and first 
large--scale user; the designer should also write the first user manual.

The separation of any of these four components would have hurt TEX 
significantly. 

\stoptext

==
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