Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
Can't resist. First thing that came to my head!! (And a mantra that I can very much relate to) Ladies and Gentlemen of the class of ’99 If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it. The long term benefits of sunscreen have been proved by scientists whereas the rest of my advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering experience…I will dispense this advice now. Enjoy the power and beauty of your youth; oh nevermind; you will not understand the power and beauty of your youth until they have faded. But trust me, in 20 years you’ll look back at photos of yourself and recall in a way you can’t grasp now how much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really looked….You’re not as fat as you imagine. Don’t worry about the future; or worry, but know that worrying is as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubblegum. The real troubles in your life are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind; the kind that blindside you at 4pm on some idle Tuesday. Do one thing everyday that scares you Sing Don’t be reckless with other people’s hearts, don’t put up with people who are reckless with yours. Floss Don’t waste your time on jealousy; sometimes you’re ahead, sometimes you’re behind…the race is long, and in the end, it’s only with yourself. Remember the compliments you receive, forget the insults; if you succeed in doing this, tell me how. Keep your old love letters, throw away your old bank statements. Stretch Don’t feel guilty if you don’t know what you want to do with your life…the most interesting people I know didn’t know at 22 what they wanted to do with their lives, some of the most interesting 40 year olds I know still don’t. Get plenty of calcium. Be kind to your knees, you’ll miss them when they’re gone. Maybe you’ll marry, maybe you won’t, maybe you’ll have children,maybe you won’t, maybe you’ll divorce at 40, maybe you’ll dance the funky chicken on your 75th wedding anniversary…what ever you do, don’t congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself either – your choices are half chance, so are everybody else’s. Enjoy your body, use it every way you can…don’t be afraid of it, or what other people think of it, it’s the greatest instrument you’ll ever own.. Dance…even if you have nowhere to do it but in your own living room. Read the directions, even if you don’t follow them. Do NOT read beauty magazines, they will only make you feel ugly. Get to know your parents, you never know when they’ll be gone for good. Be nice to your siblings; they are the best link to your past and the people most likely to stick with you in the future. Understand that friends come and go,but for the precious few you should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in geography and lifestyle because the older you get, the more you need the people you knew when you were young. Live in New York City once, but leave before it makes you hard; live in Northern California once, but leave before it makes you soft. Travel. Accept certain inalienable truths, prices will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old, and when you do you’ll fantasize that when you were young prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and children respected their elders. Respect your elders. Don’t expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a trust fund, maybe you have a wealthy spouse; but you never know when either one might run out. Don’t mess too much with your hair, or by the time you're 40, it will look 85. Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it’s worth. But trust me on the sunscreen… On Aug 17, 2008, at 8:44 PM, John Hornbuckle wrote: When I look at the number of IT people I know—really good people with great expertise—who put in a ton of hours for mediocre pay, I can’t help but conclude that it’s just not that easy to go out and negotiate more pay. My sense is that jobs like yours are few and far between. I absolutely agree that it’s all about supply and demand; there’s a healthy supply of IT people willing to let themselves be screwed. I encounter them on a regular basis. If they quit, someone else will be willing to take their place. As for education… I scored in the 74th percentile on the GMAT, and my Master’s classes start on the 25th. J From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 18 August 2008 12:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? I’m not so much concerned about the specific titles used as I am about sysadmins, as a group, being paid well for their expertise and
Sharepoint / MOSS woes
Can I start by just saying AGHHH! Thanks We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went through all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full backups nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM and the Metabase). As is the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us trying to coax the configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was referring to when it said invalid user account we called PSS. That's when the fun really started. We've been assigned a PSS member who's English is poor and their accent is so strong that we've given up asking them to repeat themselves and have just asked them email everything to us, which means things are taking ages. The configuration tool failed to complete at all, even with PSS talking to it, so we started down the route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess what?...you can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the configuration tool has completed successfully!! Which is nice, and the 'official' manual uninstall guidelines from MS require that you remove it from add/remove, which you can't. So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak English and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are starting again. And this is really where my question comes in. When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL server installed), does the STSADM -o backup ... command constitute a full backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it does. However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think that we would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the standalone install of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL Server 2005 compact or embedded). This doesn't have any management tools with it, and there's no clear indication that it's meant to be managed outside of the app thats written to use it. I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for someone to email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do ourselves. Rant over :S Olly ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Sharepoint / MOSS woes
Stsadm -o backup DOES include a sql backup. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Sharepoint / MOSS woes Can I start by just saying AGHHH! Thanks We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went through all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full backups nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM and the Metabase). As is the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us trying to coax the configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was referring to when it said invalid user account we called PSS. That's when the fun really started. We've been assigned a PSS member who's English is poor and their accent is so strong that we've given up asking them to repeat themselves and have just asked them email everything to us, which means things are taking ages. The configuration tool failed to complete at all, even with PSS talking to it, so we started down the route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess what?...you can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the configuration tool has completed successfully!! Which is nice, and the 'official' manual uninstall guidelines from MS require that you remove it from add/remove, which you can't. So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak English and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are starting again. And this is really where my question comes in. When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL server installed), does the STSADM -o backup ... command constitute a full backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it does. However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think that we would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the standalone install of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL Server 2005 compact or embedded). This doesn't have any management tools with it, and there's no clear indication that it's meant to be managed outside of the app thats written to use it. I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for someone to email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do ourselves. Rant over :S Olly ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Citrix and VMWare pricing going up 1st September for non-US customers
Just a general warning for all us non-yanks who were needing some more licenses for these products soon, they're hiking the prices up by around 10% on September 1st, so might pay to get in now... http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Citrix-hikes-prices-worldwide/ 0,130061733,339291298,00.htm http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Price-rise-for-VMware-too/0,13 0061733,339291310,00.htm === STEMCOR CONFIDENTIALITY AND DISCLAIMER NOTICE This e-mail is intended only for the addressees named in it. The contents should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Stemcor unless otherwise specifically stated. Stemcor does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor responsibility for any change made to it after it was sent by the original sender. You are advised to carry out a virus check before opening any attachment as Stemcor does not accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any software viruses. You should be aware that Stemcor reserves the right to read incoming and outgoing emails. === ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
Usually 5 for me. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Citrix and VMWare pricing going up 1st September for non-US customers
Price hikes for non-US peeps. What a surprise :S Europe, the cash point of the world. From: Steve Burkett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 12:33 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Citrix and VMWare pricing going up 1st September for non-US customers Just a general warning for all us non-yanks who were needing some more licenses for these products soon, they're hiking the prices up by around 10% on September 1st, so might pay to get in now... http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Citrix-hikes-prices-worldwide/ 0,130061733,339291298,00.htm http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Price-rise-for-VMware-too/0,13 0061733,339291310,00.htm === STEMCOR CONFIDENTIALITY AND DISCLAIMER NOTICE This e-mail is intended only for the addressees named in it. The contents should not be disclosed to any other person nor copies taken. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the sender and do not necessarily represent those of Stemcor unless otherwise specifically stated. Stemcor does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message nor responsibility for any change made to it after it was sent by the original sender. You are advised to carry out a virus check before opening any attachment as Stemcor does not accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of any software viruses. You should be aware that Stemcor reserves the right to read incoming and outgoing emails. === ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: After-hours work
We get £280 for carrying the phone for a week and £35 every time it rings (as long as it is a genuine call, telling the first-line guys the system is unsupported and to leave you alone doesn't really count) 2008/8/16 Durf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Sharepoint / MOSS woes
Stsadm does not flush the logs. I have downloaded the SQL Express management tools, but I still need to research how to use them. Robert On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stsadm –o backup DOES include a sql backup. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ *From:* Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Sharepoint / MOSS woes Can I start by just saying AGHHH! Thanks We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went through all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full backups nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM and the Metabase). As is the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us trying to coax the configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was referring to when it said invalid user account we called PSS. That's when the fun really started. We've been assigned a PSS member who's English is poor and their accent is so strong that we've given up asking them to repeat themselves and have just asked them email everything to us, which means things are taking ages. The configuration tool failed to complete at all, even with PSS talking to it, so we started down the route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess what?...you can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the configuration tool has completed successfully!! Which is nice, and the 'official' manual uninstall guidelines from MS require that you remove it from add/remove, which you can't. So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak English and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are starting again. And this is really where my question comes in. When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL server installed), does the STSADM –o backup ... command constitute a full backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it does. However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think that we would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the standalone install of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL Server 2005 compact or embedded). This doesn't have any management tools with it, and there's no clear indication that it's meant to be managed outside of the app thats written to use it. I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for someone to email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do ourselves. Rant over :S Olly ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Shook is baaaaaaccckkkk!
The list is definitely better since shookie is bac. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Shook is baaccc! Congrats and welcome back! I knew something was missing here... On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I've made a career change and had to drop off list for a couple of weeks. New contact info is below and let the Shook bashing resume... --Andy Shook Sr. Solutions Engineer Peak 10 8910 Lenox Pointe Drive Charlotte, NC 28273 ph: 704.264.1078 | fax: 704.264.2010 | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| MANAGED HOSTING | VIRTUALIZED SERVICES | MANAGED DATA CENTER SERVICES | SAS 70 TYPE II CERTIFIED Atlanta | Charlotte | Cincinnati | Jacksonville | Louisville | Nashville| Raleigh | Richmond | Tampa 1-866-732-5836 24x7x365 Solution Support Center This message contains information from Peak 10, Inc. which may be confidential and privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please refrain from any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information and note that such actions are prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] by e-mail. -- ME2 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or that was the story USA Today printed. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a test to Certify someone with that knowledge? Don't ask me the state but I think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am getting old and forgetful. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We certainly fall into the professionals category; it takes no fewer years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for blue-collar pay, though. We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just as interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make. Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves lawyers and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we have specialized certifications (Microsoft's, CompTIA's, etc.), but nothing at a higher level. Perhaps a more formalized definition of Systems Engineer ought to be codified. Maybe the issue is that this field is still in its infancy, and somewhere down the road things will change. I know there have been movements towards this in the past, but they don't seem to have picked up any steam. From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Jon, you raise a lot of great points here. I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are? Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or plumbers? Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly workers? If we are more like lawers, then what? I have a lawyer friend who regularly works 100+ hour weeks. She also collected a $250,000 bonus last year, on top of her $100,00 regular salary. By saing that We're just geeks, and that's why we do it, aren't we kind of opening ourselves up for abuse by the employers who are aware of that and more than eager to exploit it? I'm sure a lot of lawyers are law geeks too, but they sure as heck seem to find ways to get compensated for their time. -- Durf On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you say seems to ring true. I came over to being a computer person because I got tired of having my hands tied about fixing things I saw were wrong. When you start as a regulator of a highly regulated industry and see people lying to stop things that should not have been stopped and you can now look back and say very loudly I told you so and they were kind enough to actually document my telling them so at the time and for the reasons that are now apparent it feels kind of good but you also feel sad to know that you could not make yourself understood at the time. At the time I thought nothing of 80 to 120 hour weeks for months on end. That is until I got called into my boss's boss office and told I was taking 3 weeks off starting as soon as I could that day. They loved the work till it is done attitude but the State hated it on a whole as a lot of the workers could not build up any time off and I had at that point something like 12+ weeks of just Comp time not counting vacation days or sick time. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're geeks. That carries a lot of freight, but let's start with a few things I've noticed: 1) geeks tend to like to concentrate on problem solving, and work through problems to their own satisfaction, though not necessarily to completion. 2) geeks tend to devalue personal interaction on the job - they're more about getting the work done, rather than the office politics - this is related to the above, but not the same. 3) geeks tend to be more honest than most - a controversial point, I know, but I believe it to be true. This means they don't like to let others down, and will work to get things going longer than others. 4) geeks like to be seen as heroes - uber-competent, and able to save the day, when nobody else can. 5) geeks tend to underestimate how long any task will take, because the field of network/systems administration is still in its infancy, and metrics are very hard to come by - leave aside the fact that we're doing some of the most complex work in the work force. It's not that non-geeks don't have these traits, but that I've
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or that was the story USA Today printed. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a test to Certify someone with that knowledge? Don't ask me the state but I think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am getting old and forgetful. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We certainly fall into the professionals category; it takes no fewer years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for blue-collar pay, though. We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just as interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make. Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves lawyers and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we have specialized certifications (Microsoft's, CompTIA's, etc.), but nothing at a higher level. Perhaps a more formalized definition of Systems Engineer ought to be codified. Maybe the issue is that this field is still in its infancy, and somewhere down the road things will change. I know there have been movements towards this in the past, but they don't seem to have picked up any steam. *From:* Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Jon, you raise a lot of great points here. I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are? Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or plumbers? Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly workers? If we are more like lawers, then what? I have a lawyer friend who regularly works 100+ hour weeks. She also collected a $250,000 bonus last year, on top of her $100,00 regular salary. By saing that We're just geeks, and that's why we do it, aren't we kind of opening ourselves up for abuse by the employers who are aware of that and more than eager to exploit it? I'm sure a lot of lawyers are law geeks too, but they sure as heck seem to find ways to get compensated for their time. -- Durf On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you say seems to ring true. I came over to being a computer person because I got tired of having my hands tied about fixing things I saw were wrong. When you start as a regulator of a highly regulated industry and see people lying to stop things that should not have been stopped and you can now look back and say very loudly I told you so and they were kind enough to actually document my telling them so at the time and for the reasons that are now apparent it feels kind of good but you also feel sad to know that you could not make yourself understood at the time. At the time I thought nothing of 80 to 120 hour weeks for months on end. That is until I got called into my boss's boss office and told I was taking 3 weeks off starting as soon as I could that day. They loved the work till it is done attitude but the State hated it on a whole as a lot of the workers could not build up any time off and I had at that point something like 12+ weeks of just Comp time not counting vacation days or sick time. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Kurt Buff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're geeks. That carries a lot of freight, but let's start with a few things I've noticed: 1) geeks tend to like to concentrate on problem solving, and work through problems to their own satisfaction, though not necessarily to completion. 2) geeks tend to devalue personal interaction on the job - they're more about getting the work done, rather than the office politics - this is related to the above, but not the same. 3) geeks tend to be more honest than most - a controversial point, I know, but I believe it to be true. This means they don't like to let others down, and will work to get things going longer than others. 4) geeks like to be seen as heroes - uber-competent, and able to save the day, when nobody else can. 5) geeks tend to underestimate how long any task will take, because the field of network/systems administration is still in its infancy, and metrics are very hard to come
RE: Anyone feeling the storm yet
If you mean physical effects, no. We will be preparing our Disaster Recovery plans and prepping everything soon, though we won't see anything for a few days, and it will be mostly rain and moderate wind for us here in mid-SC. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet? I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up. I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures. Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment. Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges. Jon ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for them. 2008/8/18 Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or that was the story USA Today printed. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a test to Certify someone with that knowledge? Don't ask me the state but I think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am getting old and forgetful. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We certainly fall into the professionals category; it takes no fewer years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for blue-collar pay, though. We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just as interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make. Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves lawyers and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we have specialized certifications (Microsoft's, CompTIA's, etc.), but nothing at a higher level. Perhaps a more formalized definition of Systems Engineer ought to be codified. Maybe the issue is that this field is still in its infancy, and somewhere down the road things will change. I know there have been movements towards this in the past, but they don't seem to have picked up any steam. *From:* Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Jon, you raise a lot of great points here. I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are? Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or plumbers? Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly workers? If we are more like lawers, then what? I have a lawyer friend who regularly works 100+ hour weeks. She also collected a $250,000 bonus last year, on top of her $100,00 regular salary. By saing that We're just geeks, and that's why we do it, aren't we kind of opening ourselves up for abuse by the employers who are aware of that and more than eager to exploit it? I'm sure a lot of lawyers are law geeks too, but they sure as heck seem to find ways to get compensated for their time. -- Durf On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you say seems to ring true. I came over to being a computer person because I got tired of having my hands tied about fixing things I saw were wrong. When you start as a regulator of a highly regulated industry and see people lying to stop things that should not have been stopped and you can now look back and say very loudly I told you so and they were kind enough to actually document my telling them so at the time and for the reasons that are now apparent it feels kind of good but you also feel sad to know that you could not make yourself understood at the time. At the time I thought nothing of 80 to 120 hour weeks for months on end. That is until I got called into my boss's boss office and told I was taking 3 weeks off starting as soon as I could that day. They loved the work till it is done attitude but the State hated it on a whole as a lot of the workers could not build up any time off and I had at that
Re: Anyone feeling the storm yet
Nothing here in Tampa yet. As of right now, we are planning business as usual. We are going to get together again after the 11 am forecast. Right now my only concern is a roof leak. We have a generator capable of supporting the entire data center and 48 hours of diesel. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet? I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up. I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures. Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment. Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges. Jon ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
I'm onsite IT, salary. I only get #5 (never use it right away), Only really get calls for the helpdesk and they get overtime for their work since they're hourly. My last company sucked for this, they where a 24X7 shop my team was 8-5, but we carried a pager for a week, there was 5 of us, the pager went off constantly, Zero Compensation, I was pulling 70+ hours week as the norm for oncall weeks, for 6 months I was the most senior of the team since folks either quit or move out of the Dept. at that point I was getting woken up all the time. Pager duty can be a terrible thing sometimes From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone feeling the storm yet
We (in Gainesville) are all waiting till tomorrow but our Senior Mgmt Team is having a meeting as we speak in regards to procedures. I'm about to embark on a tour of our facilities (7 offices from Gainesville to Greenville) to make sure everyone is on the same page and allay any fears or concerns. We expect to get its full brunt in at least one of our offices in N Fl. Any info from other Fl Admins is always appreciated - I'll update as well. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 315 SE 2nd Ave Gainesville, Fl 32601 Office (352) 393-2741 x320 Cell (352) 215-6944 Fax (352) 393-2746 MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+ From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet? I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up. I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures. Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment. Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges. Jon CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Anyone feeling the storm yet
We're way up north (about 60 miles south of Tallahassee). Looks like we may dodge this one, but they've revised the forecast track so many times that we're still keeping a close eye on it. John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:01 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet? I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up. I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures. Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment. Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges. Jon ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?
OK cool.except to use that app it requires a .MSI, MST and .INI files which I get where? Dave From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Eh, no. Just say You are interested in the Customization Wizard 9 beta. Ah, crap. Got the email address wrong. It's this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Found on this site: http://blogs.adobe.com/pdfitmatters/2008/06/adobe_unveils_acrobat_9_softwa.html -- Mike Gill From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Should I tell them 'Mike Gill' sent me? From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? You can probably get in to the beta for it. I have the v9 wizard and deployed it across to 30 some odd computers. There are numerous references left for v8 in the documentation and one or two in the wizard itself, but the deployment went OK. I saw this address on a website so I'm assuming it's OK to give it out. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to get into the beta. -- Mike Gill From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Not for Adobe 9 (at least, last time I checked last week). From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Yea, Appdeploy has some good resources on getting this done cleanly. jlc From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Don't mess with the downloads on their public website. Get the customizable, Enterprise/distributable version in conjunction with their Adobe Customization Wizard. (MST Transform Wizard). Adobe Acrobat and Reader in the enterprise http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/solutions/it/ Sam From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? I guess Adobe is sliding in 2 other items when you download and install Adobe Reader 9. It puts AIR and Acrobat.com in your add/remove programs, and an Acrobat.com icon on the desktop. Anyone know if I safely uninstall these 2 unwanted programs? Thanks again, Adobe! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Sharepoint / MOSS woes
Use dbname; Backup logs with truncate_only; Go; Quit; In osql or whatever they are calling it these days. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Robert Cato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Sharepoint / MOSS woes Stsadm does not flush the logs. I have downloaded the SQL Express management tools, but I still need to research how to use them. Robert On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stsadm –o backup DOES include a sql backup. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Sharepoint / MOSS woes Can I start by just saying AGHHH! Thanks We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went through all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full backups nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM and the Metabase). As is the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us trying to coax the configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was referring to when it said invalid user account we called PSS. That's when the fun really started. We've been assigned a PSS member who's English is poor and their accent is so strong that we've given up asking them to repeat themselves and have just asked them email everything to us, which means things are taking ages. The configuration tool failed to complete at all, even with PSS talking to it, so we started down the route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess what?...you can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the configuration tool has completed successfully!! Which is nice, and the 'official' manual uninstall guidelines from MS require that you remove it from add/remove, which you can't. So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak English and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are starting again. And this is really where my question comes in. When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL server installed), does the STSADM –o backup ... command constitute a full backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it does. However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think that we would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the standalone install of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL Server 2005 compact or embedded). This doesn't have any management tools with it, and there's no clear indication that it's meant to be managed outside of the app thats written to use it. I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for someone to email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do ourselves. Rant over :S Olly ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Freelance MOSS/WSS consultant needed in Southern UK
Hi chaps, Well, after 5 days, we’ve realised the MS chap assigned to us is an idiot. I think we are going to need to bring in some outside help just to undo the configuration changes which have been given to us over the last few days. What we will probably be needing is for someone to remove all the WSS/MOSS detritus and re-install WSS 3 for us and restore from the folder of stsadm based backups we have. While that happens we will be getting a new blank MOSS box up and working and then the client will move the sites over as they want to. Can anyone recommend anyone in the south of the UK with the skills to untangle WSS/MOSS and reinstall it for us ? Olly ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
I do it for love and money and responsibility. This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar working conditions and pay. I was always told I was a good writer, easy to understand, eminently speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary. It was easy for me to write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50. Always had gadgets as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime. I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50 hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot box at that hour. When I wrote, I usually had one boss. Now I consider every user at the Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. But I'm an old fart... From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for them. 2008/8/18 Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or that was the story USA Today printed. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a test to Certify someone with that knowledge? Don't ask me the state but I think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am getting old and forgetful. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We certainly fall into the professionals category; it takes no fewer years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for blue-collar pay, though. We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just as interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make. Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves lawyers and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we have specialized certifications (Microsoft's, CompTIA's, etc.), but nothing at a higher level. Perhaps a more formalized definition of Systems Engineer ought to be codified. Maybe the issue is that this field is still in its infancy, and somewhere down the road things will change. I know there have been movements towards this in the past, but they don't seem to have picked up any steam. From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Jon, you raise a lot of great points here. I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are? Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or plumbers? Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly workers? If we are more like lawers, then what? I have a lawyer friend who regularly works 100+ hour
Re: Anyone feeling the storm yet
Jupiter area here (a little north of west palm beach), so far, just some thunder and a cloudy sky. Winds picking up a tiny bit. After dealing with 3 big hurricanes in these few years past, I'm not sweating over this one. On Aug 18, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Jon Harris wrote: This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet? I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up. I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures. Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment. Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges. Jon If this email is spam, report it here: http://www.OnlyMyEmail.com/ReportSpam ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
Onsite IT, salary, #5. I am alone now, but have been pushing for help for about 6-8 months now. Once I get another person, I should be down to (relatively) normal hours. I do off hour maintenance, but I can come in a little late or leave a little early and it is not a big deal. Most off hour calls that I get are from remote sales (one in Texas and one in the UK). Thanks, Krishna Reddy IT Manager Nucomm, Inc. From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I'm onsite IT, salary. I only get #5 (never use it right away), Only really get calls for the helpdesk and they get overtime for their work since they're hourly. My last company sucked for this, they where a 24X7 shop my team was 8-5, but we carried a pager for a week, there was 5 of us, the pager went off constantly, Zero Compensation, I was pulling 70+ hours week as the norm for oncall weeks, for 6 months I was the most senior of the team since folks either quit or move out of the Dept. at that point I was getting woken up all the time. Pager duty can be a terrible thing sometimes From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ The information contained in this email and attachments to this email are the proprietary and confidential property of Nucomm, Inc. The information is provided in strict confidence and shall not be reproduced, copied, or used (partially or wholly) in any manner without prior, express written authorization of Nucomm, Inc. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Backup Exec Question
That sounds right. The exchange agent lets you get the information stores. The remote agent will pick up everything else (and exclude the exchange folders!) *** John C. Kelsey DuBois Regional Medical Center (: 814.375.3073 *: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 14:02 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Exec Question But if I want to backup both Exchange and files on that remote server, I'd need both, right? The Exchange agent is only for backing up Exchange-not files... From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Exec Question No, you don't need a remote agent AND an Exchange agent for BU, the Exchange Agent is the remote agent. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You pretty much nailed it John. You build a single backup server, install the agents on the other servers, and then back them up from the BU server. If I remember correctly, for the Exchange server though you would need both the remote agent and the Exchange agent. At least if you want to backup anything more than just the stores. I've heard that in 12.0 you can now restore individual mailboxes and messages without doing BLB's. There may be some additional agents you need (or want) as well which are listed here: http://www.symantec.com/business/products/agents_options.jsp?pcid=pvid= 57_1 I've never seen the ExaGrid system in action, but Dedupe rocks. You should enjoy that. From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Exec Question Okay, I have a dumb question. Well, several. What is the Backup Exec Remote Agent for Windows for? Do you install it on servers that don't actually have their own backup media (tape drive, etc.)? For instance, say I have Server 1 that has a tape drive built in, and I have Backup Exec on it backing up to that drive. Then let's say I have Server 2 that has no tape drive. Would I install the Remote Agent on Server 2 so that it can be backed up to the tape drive in Server 1? Or am I misunderstanding what the Remote Agent is for? Are there limitations to using the Remote Agent vs. having the full version of Backup Exec on a server? Let's say that Server 2 is an Exchange server. If the Exchange Agent is installed on Server 1 and the Remote Agent is installed on Server 2, could I do an Exchange backup to the tape drive on Server 1? We've always just bought and installed the full version of Backup Exec on every server, and every server has had its own tape drive. But we're making two changes that may affect this-we've purchased an ExaGrid disk-based storage system to replace tapes, and we're consolidating some servers into VMs. I'm trying to figure out if this means that we'll move to having just one full backup server, with remote agents running on the rest... John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us -- Sherry Abercrombie Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
IT staffer here - we get #5 for any after hours work - they are pretty good about it. We also get comp time for being on-call. We get 4 hours of time off for every week we are on-call. We have a very generous vacation allocation - especially after you have been here 5+ or 10+ years so the time off isn't as valuable as it might be. We have people who are struggling to take enough time off so they don't lose hours at the end of the year. -Brian From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
P2V and Partitions
When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to see a lot more of I do it because I can't do anything else etc. Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should. I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake of my aura. Olly From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 15:49 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? I do it for love and money and responsibility. This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar working conditions and pay. I was always told I was a good writer, easy to understand, eminently speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary. It was easy for me to write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50. Always had gadgets as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime. I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50 hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot box at that hour. When I wrote, I usually had one boss. Now I consider every user at the Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. But I'm an old fart... From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for them. 2008/8/18 Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or that was the story USA Today printed. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a test to Certify someone with that knowledge? Don't ask me the state but I think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am getting old and forgetful. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We certainly fall into the professionals category; it takes no fewer years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for blue-collar pay, though. We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just as interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make. Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves lawyers and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we have specialized certifications
Re: Anyone feeling the storm yet
Its been raining since before I woke up. Not much wind yet. I'm in Miami and we are pretty much going to shrug this off as a rain event. We are not making any plans to do anything special as far as IT goes. We are open for business as usual. James - Original Message - From: Jon Harris To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet? I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up. I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures. Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment. Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges. Jon ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: P2V and Partitions
What OS is on the Target host? VMware HyperV or other? For the most part P2V programs like VM converter let you play with the partition's while converting so you can reduce / grow them, VM's require the same space as the originals unless youre using something like VMware server or Workstation which can be grow as needed From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: P2V and Partitions
1) The conversion utility from VMWare asks you which drives/partitions you want to convert over. You have the option to choose what you want. 2) The conversion utility from VMWare allows you to resize partitions during conversion but it takes longer to complete the conversion. In my experience it's been negligible. 3) Take partition sizes into account from what you'd be doing on a physical machine. For 2003 server I do 10 Gig just to make sure I have the space. However, we're running our VMs from a netapp filer and I can deduplicate that volume and utilize A LOT less space while doing so. But for the machine, you're still telling it to have a 10 gig volume...or whatever size you choose. YMMV Jason From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: P2V and Partitions
Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: P2V and Partitions
Roger, I'm no expert, but I love VMs. From my experience they import at the disk level. Some let you play with the partition sizes etc if you want to be brave, but most don't make it easy, and yes, for the most part, VM's require everything that their physical counterparts require. There are several apps that can do the import process. I use Shadowprotect with the Hardware Independent restore option for easy of use, and I use the VMware p2v tool for more reliability. From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 16:13 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square yard of garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of respect in general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds great, especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin children get particularly old. 2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to see a lot more of I do it because I can't do anything else etc. Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should. I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake of my aura. Olly *From:* Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 18 August 2008 15:49 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It? I do it for love and money and responsibility. This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar working conditions and pay. I was always told I was a good writer, easy to understand, eminently speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary. It was easy for me to write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50. Always had gadgets as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime. I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50 hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot box at that hour. When I wrote, I usually had one boss. Now I consider every user at the Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. But I'm an old fart… *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for them. 2008/8/18 Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or that was the story USA Today printed. *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a test to Certify someone with that knowledge? Don't ask me the state but I think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am getting old and forgetful. Jon On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We certainly fall into the professionals category; it takes no fewer years to become a good technician as it does to become a
RE: P2V and Partitions
But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
I think it is time for IT based Unions... That, or you find a new job Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
James, Do it mate. I'm on the south coast, two kids, usual kinda life etc. I agree with everything you said particularly the respect within society (though with the demands put on everyone to generate tax it's hardly suprising no one has time or gives a damn). My misses and I are sorely tempted by Canada. If our parents weren't a factor then it would already been done. Olly From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 16:23 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square yard of garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of respect in general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds great, especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin children get particularly old. 2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to see a lot more of I do it because I can't do anything else etc. Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should. I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake of my aura. Olly From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 15:49 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? I do it for love and money and responsibility. This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar working conditions and pay. I was always told I was a good writer, easy to understand, eminently speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary. It was easy for me to write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50. Always had gadgets as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime. I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50 hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot box at that hour. When I wrote, I usually had one boss. Now I consider every user at the Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. But I'm an old fart... From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for them. 2008/8/18 Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or that was the story USA Today printed. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years
RE: P2V and Partitions
It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: P2V and Partitions
It depends... The system partition it won't. The others it will. At least that is how I recall it... On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: P2V and Partitions
Yes it will. After the import when the machine powers on for the first time, it does a hardware refresh b\c device manager has a bunch of new stuff in it now, including new storage controller with new storage. Oo Face! :) Shook From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
I do it because I enjoy the complete arbitrary and capricious use of power. The bribery and corruption is down this year, but we can usually make do by upping the blackmail quotient. Note to internal audit: just kidding, guys, really! From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? James, Do it mate. I'm on the south coast, two kids, usual kinda life etc. I agree with everything you said particularly the respect within society (though with the demands put on everyone to generate tax it's hardly suprising no one has time or gives a damn). My misses and I are sorely tempted by Canada. If our parents weren't a factor then it would already been done. Olly From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 16:23 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square yard of garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of respect in general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds great, especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin children get particularly old. 2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to see a lot more of I do it because I can't do anything else etc. Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should. I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake of my aura. Olly From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 15:49 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? I do it for love and money and responsibility. This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar working conditions and pay. I was always told I was a good writer, easy to understand, eminently speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary. It was easy for me to write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50. Always had gadgets as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime. I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50 hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot box at that hour. When I wrote, I usually had one boss. Now I consider every user at the Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. But I'm an old fart... From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for them. 2008/8/18 Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On
RE: P2V and Partitions
I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V. PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space! From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Sharepoint / MOSS woes
Well, We finally got it working. After manually removing MOSS and WSS and basically ignoring the instructions from MS PSS, and attempting several re-runs of the configuration wizard we finally got a working, blank MOSS install. At the same time we had been running a 2003 VM with WSS v3 to test how we would import the backups. Nothing, not a force on earth, would get the databases imported in to the test WSS setup. The sites were created fine, but the contentdbs were blank. Giving up on that we just attached the original MDF files to the SQL Express instance and then created new applications on the same ports pointing each DB to the newly attached DBs in SQL server. 10 mins later and we have three running sharepoint sites. How this will hold up is anyones guess but the users are reporting that it’s all working and are happily catching up and causing chaos as we speak. Olly From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 14:56 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Sharepoint / MOSS woes Use dbname; Backup logs with truncate_only; Go; Quit; In osql or whatever they are calling it these days. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Robert Cato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Sharepoint / MOSS woes Stsadm does not flush the logs. I have downloaded the SQL Express management tools, but I still need to research how to use them. Robert On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stsadm –o backup DOES include a sql backup. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Sharepoint / MOSS woes Can I start by just saying AGHHH! Thanks We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went through all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full backups nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM and the Metabase). As is the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us trying to coax the configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was referring to when it said invalid user account we called PSS. That's when the fun really started. We've been assigned a PSS member who's English is poor and their accent is so strong that we've given up asking them to repeat themselves and have just asked them email everything to us, which means things are taking ages. The configuration tool failed to complete at all, even with PSS talking to it, so we started down the route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess what?...you can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the configuration tool has completed successfully!! Which is nice, and the 'official' manual uninstall guidelines from MS require that you remove it from add/remove, which you can't. So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak English and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are starting again. And this is really where my question comes in. When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL server installed), does the STSADM –o backup ... command constitute a full backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it does. However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think that we would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the standalone install of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL Server 2005 compact or embedded). This doesn't have any management tools with it, and there's no clear indication that it's meant to be managed outside of the app thats written to use it. I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for someone to email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do ourselves. Rant over :S Olly ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: P2V and Partitions
Yep, I have a NetApp with dedupe too!! On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V. PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space! *From:* Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v. *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: After-hours work
Or be knocked/pushed down. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is time for IT based Unions... That, or you find a new job Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as Exempt. Description of Exempt as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft(R) Windows(R) and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: Anyone feeling the storm yet
My company just sent a few hundred power line workers to get ready for repairs. Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 859.321.4442 From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone feeling the storm yet Its been raining since before I woke up. Not much wind yet. I'm in Miami and we are pretty much going to shrug this off as a rain event. We are not making any plans to do anything special as far as IT goes. We are open for business as usual. James - Original Message - From: Jon Harris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet? I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up. I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures. Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment. Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges. Jon ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
+1 on the floor mat comment. What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues... Dave Lum -Original Message- From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it is time for IT based Unions... That, or you find a new job Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ~ Finally, powerful endpoint
RE: P2V and Partitions
NFS From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI? From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V. PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space! From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: P2V and Partitions
Just regular application servers so far or SQL + Exchange? My plan is to run the boot volumes on nfs and storage off iscsi for SQL/Exchange. But we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o performance. supposedly My problem with using iscsi volumes is that netapp tells you to make the flexvol 220% of the space you'll give to the iscsi luns. All that extra space is for snapshots and stuff. L That much wasted space makes me a sad panda. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions NFS From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI? From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V. PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space! From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Freelance MOSS/WSS consultant needed in Southern UK
Have you not escalated it?? From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Freelance MOSS/WSS consultant needed in Southern UK Hi chaps, Well, after 5 days, we’ve realised the MS chap assigned to us is an idiot. I think we are going to need to bring in some outside help just to undo the configuration changes which have been given to us over the last few days. What we will probably be needing is for someone to remove all the WSS/MOSS detritus and re-install WSS 3 for us and restore from the folder of stsadm based backups we have. While that happens we will be getting a new blank MOSS box up and working and then the client will move the sites over as they want to. Can anyone recommend anyone in the south of the UK with the skills to untangle WSS/MOSS and reinstall it for us ? Olly ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
I think I am going to try and start to sort it as soon as the kids arrive, might take a while to get done, but the thought of big gardens, cheap petrol and no hoodies/chavs appeals to me no end! 2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] James, Do it mate. I'm on the south coast, two kids, usual kinda life etc. I agree with everything you said particularly the respect within society (though with the demands put on everyone to generate tax it's hardly suprising no one has time or gives a damn). My misses and I are sorely tempted by Canada. If our parents weren't a factor then it would already been done. Olly *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 18 August 2008 16:23 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square yard of garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of respect in general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds great, especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin children get particularly old. 2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to see a lot more of I do it because I can't do anything else etc. Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should. I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake of my aura. Olly *From:* Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 18 August 2008 15:49 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It? I do it for love and money and responsibility. This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar working conditions and pay. I was always told I was a good writer, easy to understand, eminently speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary. It was easy for me to write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50. Always had gadgets as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime. I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50 hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot box at that hour. When I wrote, I usually had one boss. Now I consider every user at the Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. But I'm an old fart… *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for them. 2008/8/18 Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Texas,
RE: P2V and Partitions
That's for cleaning up that sig! From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Yes it will. After the import when the machine powers on for the first time, it does a hardware refresh b\c device manager has a bunch of new stuff in it now, including new storage controller with new storage. Oo Face! J Shook From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
Oliver, come on in, the water is fine (but bring an extra coat for winter). On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Oliver Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James, Do it mate. I'm on the south coast, two kids, usual kinda life etc. I agree with everything you said particularly the respect within society (though with the demands put on everyone to generate tax it's hardly suprising no one has time or gives a damn). My misses and I are sorely tempted by Canada. If our parents weren't a factor then it would already been done. Olly *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 18 August 2008 16:23 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square yard of garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of respect in general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds great, especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin children get particularly old. 2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to see a lot more of I do it because I can't do anything else etc. Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should. I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake of my aura. Olly *From:* Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 18 August 2008 15:49 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It? I do it for love and money and responsibility. This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar working conditions and pay. I was always told I was a good writer, easy to understand, eminently speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary. It was easy for me to write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50. Always had gadgets as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime. I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50 hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot box at that hour. When I wrote, I usually had one boss. Now I consider every user at the Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. But I'm an old fart… *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It? To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for them. 2008/8/18 Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to point a finger incorrectly. The other was New Mexico but I was not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or that was the story USA Today
RE: P2V and Partitions
Go logon to the NetApp site and download TR-3697 whitepaper. It was just released last week. Co-authored by VMWare and Netapp, it talks about the performance of the different protocols available (FC, ISCSI, NFS). You might be surprised. From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Just regular application servers so far or SQL + Exchange? My plan is to run the boot volumes on nfs and storage off iscsi for SQL/Exchange. But we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o performance. supposedly My problem with using iscsi volumes is that netapp tells you to make the flexvol 220% of the space you'll give to the iscsi luns. All that extra space is for snapshots and stuff. L That much wasted space makes me a sad panda. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions NFS From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI? From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V. PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space! From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
Re: P2V and Partitions
Wouldn't it be simpler to run the iSCSI initiator software on the VMs and have the VMs talk directly to the iSCSI target (ie the storage box)? Jason Morris wrote: But we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o performance. “supposedly” -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?
Dave, You get the MSI file by running the EXE and then pulling the MSI from the temp directory where it gets expanded to. TVK From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? OK cool.except to use that app it requires a .MSI, MST and .INI files which I get where? Dave From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Eh, no. Just say You are interested in the Customization Wizard 9 beta. Ah, crap. Got the email address wrong. It's this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. Found on this site: http://blogs.adobe.com/pdfitmatters/2008/06/adobe_unveils_acrobat_9_softwa.html -- Mike Gill From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Should I tell them 'Mike Gill' sent me? From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? You can probably get in to the beta for it. I have the v9 wizard and deployed it across to 30 some odd computers. There are numerous references left for v8 in the documentation and one or two in the wizard itself, but the deployment went OK. I saw this address on a website so I'm assuming it's OK to give it out. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to get into the beta. -- Mike Gill From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Not for Adobe 9 (at least, last time I checked last week). From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Yea, Appdeploy has some good resources on getting this done cleanly. jlc From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? Don't mess with the downloads on their public website. Get the customizable, Enterprise/distributable version in conjunction with their Adobe Customization Wizard. (MST Transform Wizard). Adobe Acrobat and Reader in the enterprise http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/solutions/it/ Sam From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com? I guess Adobe is sliding in 2 other items when you download and install Adobe Reader 9. It puts AIR and Acrobat.com in your add/remove programs, and an Acrobat.com icon on the desktop. Anyone know if I safely uninstall these 2 unwanted programs? Thanks again, Adobe! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: P2V and Partitions
Do you want Martin to see your O face? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families From: Andy Shook To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Mon Aug 18 11:30:41 2008 Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Yes it will. After the “import� when the machine powers on for the first time, it does a hardware refresh b\c device manager has a bunch of new stuff in it now, including new storage controller with new storage. Oo Face! ☺ Shook From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won’t just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
We have something similar in the states. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavs - Original Message - From: Kim Longenbaugh To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? -- From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
See, I don’t see it that way (unless you’re being facetious). If they’re knocking you down, or pushing you down, aren’t’ you letting them. My whole point is simply in most case, no one will look out for you – but you. Sometimes pushing back gets you farther than not pushing back. By all means, I’m not simply stating that you push back on everything, but picking your battles will get you much farther. From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work Or be knocked/pushed down. Jon On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is time for IT based Unions... That, or you find a new job Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as Exempt. Description of Exempt as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: § 78 hours Regular Pay § 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) § 2 hours deducted for PTO § No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a
RE: P2V and Partitions
Reading it now...I'll comment after lunch! Thanks Martin. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Go logon to the NetApp site and download TR-3697 whitepaper. It was just released last week. Co-authored by VMWare and Netapp, it talks about the performance of the different protocols available (FC, ISCSI, NFS). You might be surprised... From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Just regular application servers so far or SQL + Exchange? My plan is to run the boot volumes on nfs and storage off iscsi for SQL/Exchange. But we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o performance. supposedly My problem with using iscsi volumes is that netapp tells you to make the flexvol 220% of the space you'll give to the iscsi luns. All that extra space is for snapshots and stuff. L That much wasted space makes me a sad panda. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions NFS From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI? From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V. PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space! From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: P2V and Partitions
Without HA and VMotion, yes. Throw those into the mix and the config gets much more complicated. Reading the TR now. -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: P2V and Partitions Wouldn't it be simpler to run the iSCSI initiator software on the VMs and have the VMs talk directly to the iSCSI target (ie the storage box)? Jason Morris wrote: But we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o performance. supposedly -- Phil Brutsche [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally,
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock. - Original Message - From: Oliver Marshall To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? -- From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
Good lord, Nikki do we work at the same place? grin jlc -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T
Re: After-hours work
Reminds me of my first computer job, working for a retail whitebox builder who also did Packaged Hell warranty support. He was an ex-felon with an ankle-bracelet who tried to work a deal where I'd update a customer's website for him (a pool dealership) so he could get a free pool. Keep in mind he was the manager not the owner because he was legally barred from ever owning a business again, and had everything in his wife's name, including the million dollars worth of business debt. -- Durf On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Joseph L. Casale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good lord, Nikki do we work at the same place? grin jlc -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as Exempt. Description of Exempt as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come
Re: After-hours work
This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
I love the trick where the employer give you nothing if you work an hour extra, but wants you to use leave if you take off an hour early. Mine doesn't do that, but my wife's does (she's a salaried medical professional). I've been encouraging her to not tolerate it. Her boss doesn't see that it's a double standard, though. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: After-hours work
More: http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/index.html - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
The best part of this whole story is that it looks like the pay stub provides most of the documentation needed. It won't cover all the time Nikki has been screwed out of but it covers a lot of it. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work More: http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/index.html - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: After-hours work
On 16 Aug 2008 at 11:07, Durf wrote: Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) I'm a consultant, working for myself (not a cnosultant employee of a large consulting shop). My office voicemail pages my cell phone so I am on-call all the time already. I charge time-and-a-quarter for any work evenings and weekends. Several of my clients are golf courses and often need support right now on weekends; seems fair to them to charge extra if I have to take time away from family stuff, and it means they only call on the weekend when they really need support. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
On 16 Aug 2008 at 23:04, Jon Harris wrote: Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a test to Certify someone with that knowledge?Don't ask me the state but I think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am getting old and forgetful. In Arizona you can't use the word Engineer in your title or company name unless you are licensed as a P.E. by the state. My penultimate real job was as a geophysicist for Zonge Engineering and Research Organization, and the owner had to pay a licensed P.E. a monthly fee to be listed on the company books so he could keep the company name, which he'd had for years before they started enforcing this law. It affected Netware CNE engineers when it happened, too. -- Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona 1-520-290-5038 +---+ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
As a self-employed consultant I agree completely. I would +1 on this but this is so on the money it isn't funny. HVAC folks and plumbers charge big-time extra for a fix off hours and for good reason. I.T. off-hours charges should be no different where IT infrastructure is almost as critical as HVAC, etc. Dave -Original Message- From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work On 16 Aug 2008 at 11:07, Durf wrote: Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) I'm a consultant, working for myself (not a cnosultant employee of a large consulting shop). My office voicemail pages my cell phone so I am on-call all the time already. I charge time-and-a-quarter for any work evenings and weekends. Several of my clients are golf courses and often need support right now on weekends; seems fair to them to charge extra if I have to take time away from family stuff, and it means they only call on the weekend when they really need support. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation. Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd be poison. I'd win and then what? BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a Not a team player mark. Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks (including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered the highest technical employees. I really don't think I am alone in this situation. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
Sounds an awful lot like a hostile work environment to me. -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation. Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd be poison. I'd win and then what? BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a Not a team player mark. Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks (including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered the highest technical employees. I really don't think I am alone in this situation. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
Ah, them. Yep, Glock's are good. From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock. - Original Message - From: Oliver Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
No doubt that suing them while you are still employed there would be a bad idea. I wouldn't make a move on them until after I had moved on. Save the records, keep records...consider it a rainy day fund. -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation. Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd be poison. I'd win and then what? BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a Not a team player mark. Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks (including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered the highest technical employees. I really don't think I am alone in this situation. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
Sometimes I read the most redonkulous stuff on tech lists. On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Oliver Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. -- ME2 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: P2V and Partitions
Good read Martin, thanks. The only thing I'm lacking out of that article is what they configured for the ISCSI frame sizes. Did they go jumbo or stay with 1500? I couldn't find it in their tuning guide or this report. Last I read, VMware didn't support jumbo frames on a software iscsi initiator so that could be my answer. Thanks again, Jason From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Go logon to the NetApp site and download TR-3697 whitepaper. It was just released last week. Co-authored by VMWare and Netapp, it talks about the performance of the different protocols available (FC, ISCSI, NFS). You might be surprised... From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Just regular application servers so far or SQL + Exchange? My plan is to run the boot volumes on nfs and storage off iscsi for SQL/Exchange. But we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o performance. supposedly My problem with using iscsi volumes is that netapp tells you to make the flexvol 220% of the space you'll give to the iscsi luns. All that extra space is for snapshots and stuff. L That much wasted space makes me a sad panda. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions NFS From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI? From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V. PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space! From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions But will Windows see that expanded partition? I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically resize. From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions Roger, 1. Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment. 2. Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be shrunk or expanded during the P2V. 3. No, see #2. Shook From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: P2V and Partitions When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and partitions? Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion? Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines? Roger Wright Network Administrator Evatone, Inc. 727.572.7076 x388 _ A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me. - Frederick Douglass -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is confidential and/or privileged. The information is to be for the use of the individual or entity named on this cover sheet. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by telephone so that we can arrange for the retrieval of the original document. -- The pages accompanying this email transmission contain information from MJMC, Inc., which is
RE: After-hours work
I will say this, You know these emails, can be monitored and looked at through Google, and if you are discussing how you are going to stick it to the man you think they be stupid enough not to look at your internet coorespondence and terminate you for cause before you could pull the trigger on the lawsuit, or gain more cannon fodder against them. Just playing devil advocate, something to think about, not saying either side is right or wrong since its nothing of my concern, but legally they might be able to hold your conversations on this forum and on your emails against you, and make your fight in court a lot less effective. Thanks EZ Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Sounds an awful lot like a hostile work environment to me. -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation. Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd be poison. I'd win and then what? BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a Not a team player mark. Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks (including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered the highest technical employees. I really don't think I am alone in this situation. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie between their knife and your Glock. In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good result. And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad breath distance from you. If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you. (Extreme Close Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course) From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Ah, them. Yep, Glock's are good. From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock. - Original Message - From: Oliver Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
I gotta agree with that John, it is a double standard, they should be flexible especially if you salary, we have up to 4 hours off before we have to take time here, but never use it, and usually pushing 55-60hr weeks anyways with flex time. Z Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I love the trick where the employer give you nothing if you work an hour extra, but wants you to use leave if you take off an hour early. Mine doesn't do that, but my wife's does (she's a salaried medical professional). I've been encouraging her to not tolerate it. Her boss doesn't see that it's a double standard, though. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being
Re: After-hours work
Salaried #1. Rotating primary oncall, but expected to be available in case primary needs help with your specialty. No flex time/compensation, though they say they do in 'extraordinary circumstances', those only seem involve a pet project and at least 21 days straight and I've not ever qualified as it is managers discretion ( you have to request it and be willing to carry that stigma with management) Expected to take Sick time for any appointments/time off between m-f but if you've worked +40 counting sat/sun it doesn't matter. You will receive a warning if you neglect to take PTO during 'working hours'. I have on occasion where I have been up till 3-4 am just emailed my manager and said I will be staying home sleeping and call if there is a fire. For a while our patch and test rotation required almost every weekend every 3rd month, in addition to other potential weekend work depending on projects. They are changing it so that it will be one weekend a month every month rotated. By weekend I mean Saturday and Sunday (mitigating this is that it can be done remotely) We have black berry's. We have an unfilled open position or two because the people who manage to find good jobs don't refer their friends. I am on the testing upgrade/looking around path myself. Steven Peck On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Durf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: After-hours work
Speaking of which, are you going to summarize the results and post back? On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salaried #1. Rotating primary oncall, but expected to be available in case primary needs help with your specialty. No flex time/compensation, though they say they do in 'extraordinary circumstances', those only seem involve a pet project and at least 21 days straight and I've not ever qualified as it is managers discretion ( you have to request it and be willing to carry that stigma with management) Expected to take Sick time for any appointments/time off between m-f but if you've worked +40 counting sat/sun it doesn't matter. You will receive a warning if you neglect to take PTO during 'working hours'. I have on occasion where I have been up till 3-4 am just emailed my manager and said I will be staying home sleeping and call if there is a fire. For a while our patch and test rotation required almost every weekend every 3rd month, in addition to other potential weekend work depending on projects. They are changing it so that it will be one weekend a month every month rotated. By weekend I mean Saturday and Sunday (mitigating this is that it can be done remotely) We have black berry's. We have an unfilled open position or two because the people who manage to find good jobs don't refer their friends. I am on the testing upgrade/looking around path myself. Steven Peck On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Durf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Proliant Softpaqs
What do you guys do for new SS cd installs? I was told by an HP support tech that you need to uninstall everything, which may take multiple reboots, then install the new one fresh? Is what you all do? jlc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
I can shoot from the hip!! Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor. Though, if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up. - Original Message - From: Steve Kelsay To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie between their knife and your Glock. In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good result. And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad breath distance from you. If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you. (Extreme Close Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course) From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Ah, them. Yep, Glock's are good. -- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock. - Original Message - From: Oliver Marshall To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
I have stated nothing but fact. No, they would fire me for using the system during work hours. However, I have completed several tasks while keeping up on this thread. Of course, I am the keeper of the Journal system, IM system, and the Exchange System. I am the one they would need to pull the information to get me. I am not so foolish as to assume it can't be done, but... Nikki -Original Message- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I will say this, You know these emails, can be monitored and looked at through Google, and if you are discussing how you are going to stick it to the man you think they be stupid enough not to look at your internet coorespondence and terminate you for cause before you could pull the trigger on the lawsuit, or gain more cannon fodder against them. Just playing devil advocate, something to think about, not saying either side is right or wrong since its nothing of my concern, but legally they might be able to hold your conversations on this forum and on your emails against you, and make your fight in court a lot less effective. Thanks EZ Edward E. Ziots Network Engineer Lifespan Organization MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA Phone: 401-639-3505 -Original Message- From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Sounds an awful lot like a hostile work environment to me. -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation. Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd be poison. I'd win and then what? BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a Not a team player mark. Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks (including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered the highest technical employees. I really don't think I am alone in this situation. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the
RE: After-hours work
Note item 1, and the computer-employee exemption. -Original Message- From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: After-hours work More: http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/index.html - Original Message - From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:50 AM Subject: Re: After-hours work This is totally up to my management. Legally, it's not. Keep very detailed records. You may have a very nice lawsuit to file. An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage. If you're punching a clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly wage. That would make you non-exempt. I'd speek to a good labor attorney. You may be able to cash in on these jackasses. You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the department. - Original Message - From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Default browsers
Greetings! We're pretty much a Firefox shop here... On one machine, MSUpdates has installed IE7 recently. Friday, I upgraded Firefox to 3.0.1. IE7 claims it is NOT the default browser. Firefox claims that it is the default. However, clicking on an HTML link opens it in IE. Is there a registry hack to go look at? Thanks! -- Richard McClary, Systems Administrator ASPCA Knowledge Management 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL 61802 217-337-9761 http://www.aspca.org ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: After-hours work
And when there is a labor dispute, the head of the union will tell it's members to participate in a mass resignation campaign to show up the employer. Hmm... baseball umpires of 1999? ;-) -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work +1 on the floor mat comment. What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues... Dave Lum -Original Message- From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it is time for IT based Unions... That, or you find a new job Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, please indicate. If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are you compensated? 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job. 2. Flat fee for being on-call. 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked. 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a day off later in the week. Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual beeper) so it's on my mind. :) -- Durf -- -- Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks!
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
Awesome quote! Love that movie/character! On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Jonathan Link [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're a daisy if you do. On 8/18/08, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can shoot from the hip!! Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor. Though, if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up. - Original Message - From: Steve Kelsay To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie between their knife and your Glock. In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good result. And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad breath distance from you. If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you. (Extreme Close Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course) From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Ah, them. Yep, Glock's are good. From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock. - Original Message - From: Oliver Marshall To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? -- ME2 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: After-hours work
A big part of the IT geek mythos is the Randian attitude that I am the architect of my destiny, nothing but my own skills and knowledge got me here, this makes me superior to normal men and the captain of my fate etc etc. I saw a ton of this during the 90's. A lot of my friends who jumped from job to job during the boom suffered mightily in the bust. Unions have their place and purposes. If we wind up in a huge depression in the next few years, it'll be interesting to see if the above IT person attitude changes. -- Durf On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And when there is a labor dispute, the head of the union will tell it's members to participate in a mass resignation campaign to show up the employer. Hmm... baseball umpires of 1999? ;-) -Original Message- From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:39 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work +1 on the floor mat comment. What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues... Dave Lum -Original Message- From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it is time for IT based Unions... That, or you find a new job Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat -Original Message- From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work Currently I am classified as Exempt. Description of Exempt as understood by my manager is as follows: - Pay based on 2 weeks - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7 - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and any extra maint for 8 hours - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day. - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced to use my PTO (vacation) - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note. Example of my time card: - 89 hours worked during the regular days - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency) - On call o My paycheck shows: 78 hours Regular Pay 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff) 2 hours deducted for PTO No mention of on call This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets much more than they pay for. We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that No one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a self-serving jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with. I think it is time for IT based Unions... This used to be fun but now it sucks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: After-hours work I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was time and half. Mike Original Message: - From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700 To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: After-hours work For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO. As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's Emergency onsite support. None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a message comes in. At my last day job it was #1. Dave From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: After-hours work Hey all, Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants,
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
Please do. I can reserve the Qualification bay and bring some weapons. You supply the coffee. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 15:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? You're a daisy if you do. On 8/18/08, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can shoot from the hip!! Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor. Though, if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up. - Original Message - From: Steve Kelsay mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie between their knife and your Glock. In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good result. And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad breath distance from you. If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you. (Extreme Close Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course) From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Ah, them. Yep, Glock's are good. From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock. - Original Message - From: Oliver Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
Why Ed does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know Ed, if I thought you weren't my friend... I just don't think I could bear it! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Link To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? You're a daisy if you do. On 8/18/08, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can shoot from the hip!! Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor. Though, if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up. - Original Message - From: Steve Kelsay To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie between their knife and your Glock. In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good result. And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad breath distance from you. If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you. (Extreme Close Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course) From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Ah, them. Yep, Glock's are good. -- From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock. - Original Message - From: Oliver Marshall To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
I'm your huckleberry... Shook From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? Why Ed does this mean we're not friends anymore? You know Ed, if I thought you weren't my friend... I just don't think I could bear it! - Original Message - From: Jonathan Linkmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? You're a daisy if you do. On 8/18/08, James Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can shoot from the hip!! Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor. Though, if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up. - Original Message - From: Steve Kelsaymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie between their knife and your Glock. In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good result. And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad breath distance from you. If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you. (Extreme Close Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course) From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Ah, them. Yep, Glock's are good. From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock. - Original Message - From: Oliver Marshallmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you. From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It? What are hoodies/chavs? From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Proliant Softpaqs
In the almost 10 years that I've been working on Compaq/HP hardware I've never received any guidance near that. That's not to say there might be specific components/accessories that would follow that guidance, but in general servers - nope, download, execute, reboot(if necessary). - John Barsodi From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Proliant Softpaqs What do you guys do for new SS cd installs? I was told by an HP support tech that you need to uninstall everything, which may take multiple reboots, then install the new one fresh? Is what you all do? jlc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Proliant Softpaqs
Thanks :) jlc From: Barsodi.John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Proliant Softpaqs In the almost 10 years that I've been working on Compaq/HP hardware I've never received any guidance near that. That's not to say there might be specific components/accessories that would follow that guidance, but in general servers - nope, download, execute, reboot(if necessary). - John Barsodi From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Proliant Softpaqs What do you guys do for new SS cd installs? I was told by an HP support tech that you need to uninstall everything, which may take multiple reboots, then install the new one fresh? Is what you all do? jlc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
