Sharepoint / MOSS woes

[Oliver Marshall]

Can I start by just saying AGHHH!

 

Thanks

 

We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went
through all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full
backups nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM  and the
Metabase). As is the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us
trying to coax the configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was
referring to when it said "invalid user account" we called PSS. That's
when the fun really started. We've been assigned a PSS member who's
English is poor and their accent is so strong that we've given up asking
them to repeat themselves and have just asked them email everything to
us, which means things are taking ages. The configuration tool failed to
complete at all, even with PSS talking to it, so we started down the
route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess
what?...you can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the configuration tool has
completed successfully!! Which is nice, and the 'official' manual
uninstall guidelines from MS require that you remove it from add/remove,
which you can't.

 

So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak
English and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and
are starting again. And this is really where my question comes in.

 

When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without
SQL server installed), does the "STSADM -o backup ..." command
constitute a full backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs
which also imply it does. However the PSS chap (now back the non-english
speaker) seems to think that we would also need an SQL backup. This in
itself is odd, as the standalone install of WSS3 appears to use Windows
Internal Database (ie SQL Server 2005 compact or embedded). This doesn't
have any management tools with it, and there's no clear indication that
it's meant to be managed outside of the app thats written to use it. 

 

I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for
someone to email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able
to do ourselves. 

 

Rant over :S

 

Olly


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~   ~

RE: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

[Michael B. Smith]

Stsadm -o backup DOES include a sql backup.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

 

Can I start by just saying AGHHH!

 

Thanks

 

We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went through
all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full backups
nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM  and the Metabase). As
is the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us trying to coax the
configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was referring to when it
said "invalid user account" we called PSS. That's when the fun really
started. We've been assigned a PSS member who's English is poor and their
accent is so strong that we've given up asking them to repeat themselves and
have just asked them email everything to us, which means things are taking
ages. The configuration tool failed to complete at all, even with PSS
talking to it, so we started down the route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and
then starting again. Guess what?...you can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the
configuration tool has completed successfully!! Which is nice, and the
'official' manual uninstall guidelines from MS require that you remove it
from add/remove, which you can't.

 

So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak
English and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are
starting again. And this is really where my question comes in.

 

When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL
server installed), does the "STSADM -o backup ..." command constitute a full
backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it
does. However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think
that we would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the
standalone install of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL
Server 2005 compact or embedded). This doesn't have any management tools
with it, and there's no clear indication that it's meant to be managed
outside of the app thats written to use it. 

 

I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for someone
to email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do
ourselves. 

 

Rant over :S

 

Olly

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Citrix and VMWare pricing going up 1st September for non-US customers

[Steve Burkett]

Just a general warning for all us non-yanks who were needing some more
licenses for these products soon, they're hiking the prices up by around
10% on September 1st, so might pay to get in now...

 

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Citrix-hikes-prices-worldwide/
0,130061733,339291298,00.htm

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Price-rise-for-VMware-too/0,13
0061733,339291310,00.htm 
 
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RE: After-hours work

[Ziots, Edward]

Usually 5 for me. 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA

Phone: 401-639-3505



From: Gavin Wilby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

 

 

 

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RE: Citrix and VMWare pricing going up 1st September for non-US customers

[Oliver Marshall]

Price hikes for non-US peeps. What a surprise :S

 

Europe, the cash point of the world.

 

From: Steve Burkett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 12:33
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Citrix and VMWare pricing going up 1st September for non-US
customers

 

Just a general warning for all us non-yanks who were needing some more
licenses for these products soon, they're hiking the prices up by around
10% on September 1st, so might pay to get in now...

 

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Citrix-hikes-prices-worldwide/
0,130061733,339291298,00.htm

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/software/soa/Price-rise-for-VMware-too/0,13
0061733,339291310,00.htm

 

 

 

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Re: After-hours work

[James Rankin]

We get £280 for carrying the phone for a week and £35 every time it rings
(as long as it is a genuine call, telling the first-line guys the system is
unsupported and to leave you alone doesn't really count)

2008/8/16 Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hey all,
>
> Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
> works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy,
> please indicate.
>
> 
> If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
> are you compensated?
>
> 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
> 2. Flat fee for being on-call.
> 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
> 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
> 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
> take a day off later in the week.
>
> Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
> beeper) so it's on my mind. :)
>
> -- Durf
>
> --
> --
> Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.
> Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks!
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

[Robert Cato]

Stsadm does not flush the logs. I have downloaded the SQL Express management
tools, but I still need to research how to use them.

Robert

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Michael B. Smith <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Stsadm –o backup DOES include a sql backup.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
>
> *From:* Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Sharepoint / MOSS woes
>
>
>
> Can I start by just saying AGHHH!
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went
> through all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full
> backups nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM  and the
> Metabase). As is the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us
> trying to coax the configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was
> referring to when it said "invalid user account" we called PSS. That's when
> the fun really started. We've been assigned a PSS member who's English is
> poor and their accent is so strong that we've given up asking them to repeat
> themselves and have just asked them email everything to us, which means
> things are taking ages. The configuration tool failed to complete at all,
> even with PSS talking to it, so we started down the route of uninstalling
> MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess what?...you can't uninstall MOSS/WSS
> unless the configuration tool has completed successfully!! Which is nice,
> and the 'official' manual uninstall guidelines from MS require that you
> remove it from add/remove, which you can't.
>
>
>
> So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak
> English and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are
> starting again. And this is really where my question comes in.
>
>
>
> When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL
> server installed), does the "STSADM –o backup ..." command constitute a full
> backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it
> does. However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think
> that we would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the
> standalone install of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL
> Server 2005 compact or embedded). This doesn't have any management tools
> with it, and there's no clear indication that it's meant to be managed
> outside of the app thats written to use it.
>
>
>
> I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for
> someone to email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do
> ourselves.
>
>
>
> Rant over :S
>
>
>
> Olly
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: Shook is baaaaaaccckkkk!

[Ziots, Edward]

The list is definitely better since shookie is bac.

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

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Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 4:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Shook is baaccc!

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RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Steve Kelsay]

It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or
that was the story USA Today printed.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in
some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have
a test to "Certify" someone with that knowledge?  Don't ask me the state
but I think it was in the south west some place.  I could be wrong I am
getting old and forgetful.

 

Jon

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We certainly fall into the "professionals" category; it takes no fewer
years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or
accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for
blue-collar pay, though.

 

We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just
as interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make.

 

Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and
accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves
lawyers and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we
have specialized certifications (Microsoft's, CompTIA's, etc.), but
nothing at a higher level. Perhaps a more formalized definition of
"Systems Engineer" ought to be codified. Maybe the issue is that this
field is still in its infancy, and somewhere down the road things will
change. I know there have been movements towards this in the past, but
they don't seem to have picked up any steam.

 

 

 

 

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Jon, you raise a lot of great points here. 


I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are? 

Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or
plumbers?  Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly
workers? 

If we are more like lawers, then what?  I have a lawyer friend who
regularly works 100+  hour weeks.  She also collected a $250,000 bonus
last year, on top of her $100,00 regular salary. 

By saing that "We're just geeks, and that's why we do it," aren't we
kind of opening ourselves up for abuse by the employers who are aware of
that and more than eager to exploit it? I'm sure a lot of lawyers are
"law geeks" too, but they sure as heck seem to find ways to get
compensated for their time. 

-- Durf 

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

What you say seems to ring true.  I came over to being a computer person
because I got tired of having my hands tied about fixing things I saw
were wrong.  When you start as a regulator of a highly regulated
industry and see people lying to stop things that should not have been
stopped and you can now look back and say very loudly "I told you so"
and they were kind enough to actually document my telling them so at the
time and for the reasons that are now apparent it feels kind of good but
you also feel sad to know that you could not make yourself understood at
the time.  At the time I thought nothing of 80 to 120 hour weeks for
months on end.  That is until I got called into my boss's boss office
and told I was taking 3 weeks off starting as soon as I could that day.
They loved the work till it is done attitude but the State hated it on a
whole as a lot of the workers could not build up any time off and I had
at that point something like 12+ weeks of just Comp time not counting
vacation days or sick time.

 

Jon

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We're geeks.

That carries a lot of freight, but let's start with a few things
I've noticed:

1) geeks tend to like to concentrate on problem solving, and
work
through problems to their own satisfaction, though not
necessarily to
completion.

2) geeks tend to devalue personal interaction on the job -
they're
more about getting the work done, rather than the office
politics -
this is related to the above, but not the same.

3) geeks tend to be more honest than most - a controversial
point, I
know, but I believe it to be true. This means they don't like to
let
others down, and will work to get things going longer than
others.

4) geeks like to be seen as heroes - uber-competent, and able to
save
the day, when nobody else can.

5) geeks tend to underestimate how long any task will take,
because
the field of network/systems administration is still in its
infancy,
and metrics are very hard to come by - leave aside the fact that
we're
doing some of the most complex work in the work force.

It's not that non-geeks don't have these traits,

Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Jon Harris]

That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want to
point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was not sure
which one it was or even if my memory was right.

Jon

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or
> that was the story USA Today printed.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in
> some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a
> test to "Certify" someone with that knowledge?  Don't ask me the state but I
> think it was in the south west some place.  I could be wrong I am getting
> old and forgetful.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We certainly fall into the "professionals" category; it takes no fewer
> years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or
> accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for
> blue-collar pay, though.
>
>
>
> We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just as
> interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make.
>
>
>
> Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and
> accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves lawyers
> and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we have
> specialized certifications (Microsoft's, CompTIA's, etc.), but nothing at a
> higher level. Perhaps a more formalized definition of "Systems Engineer"
> ought to be codified. Maybe the issue is that this field is still in its
> infancy, and somewhere down the road things will change. I know there have
> been movements towards this in the past, but they don't seem to have picked
> up any steam.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>  *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> Jon, you raise a lot of great points here.
>
>
> I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are?
>
> Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or
> plumbers?  Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly workers?
>
>
> If we are more like lawers, then what?  I have a lawyer friend who
> regularly works 100+  hour weeks.  She also collected a $250,000 bonus last
> year, on top of her $100,00 regular salary.
>
> By saing that "We're just geeks, and that's why we do it," aren't we kind
> of opening ourselves up for abuse by the employers who are aware of that and
> more than eager to exploit it? I'm sure a lot of lawyers are "law geeks"
> too, but they sure as heck seem to find ways to get compensated for their
> time.
>
> -- Durf
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What you say seems to ring true.  I came over to being a computer person
> because I got tired of having my hands tied about fixing things I saw were
> wrong.  When you start as a regulator of a highly regulated industry and see
> people lying to stop things that should not have been stopped and you can
> now look back and say very loudly "I told you so" and they were kind enough
> to actually document my telling them so at the time and for the reasons that
> are now apparent it feels kind of good but you also feel sad to know that
> you could not make yourself understood at the time.  At the time I thought
> nothing of 80 to 120 hour weeks for months on end.  That is until I got
> called into my boss's boss office and told I was taking 3 weeks off starting
> as soon as I could that day.  They loved the work till it is done attitude
> but the State hated it on a whole as a lot of the workers could not build up
> any time off and I had at that point something like 12+ weeks of just Comp
> time not counting vacation days or sick time.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Kurt Buff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  We're geeks.
>
> That carries a lot of freight, but let's start with a few things I've
> noticed:
>
> 1) geeks tend to like to concentrate on problem solving, and work
> through problems to their own satisfaction, though not necessarily to
> completion.
>
> 2) geeks tend to devalue personal interaction on the job - they're
> more about getting the work done, rather than the office politics -
> this is related to the above, but not the same.
>
> 3) geeks tend to be more honest than most - a controversial point, I
> know, but I believe it to be true. This means they don't like to let
> others down, and will work to get things going longer than others.
>
> 4) geeks like to be seen as heroes - uber-competent, and able to save
> the day, when nobody else can.
>
> 5) geeks tend to underes

Anyone feeling the storm yet

[Jon Harris]

This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people,
but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet?  I may have
to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads
up.  I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after
the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures.  Go figure the
one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no
closures at the moment.  Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have
to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from
power surges.

Jon

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~   ~

RE: Anyone feeling the storm yet

[Steve Kelsay]

If you mean physical effects, no. We will be preparing our Disaster
Recovery plans and prepping everything soon, though we won't see
anything for a few days, and it will be mostly rain and moderate wind
for us here in mid-SC. 

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet

 

This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida
people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet?
I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would
appreciate any heads up.  I have one place telling me schools will be
closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places
saying no closures.  Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the
closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment.
Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut
down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges.

 

Jon

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[David Lum]

For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week 
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your 
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no 
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my 
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None of 
my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems. 
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep when a 
message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend 
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy, 
please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how are 
you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take a 
day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual 
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[James Rankin]

To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do
extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago
when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the
messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find
even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow
best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little
things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on
AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which
means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for
no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked
and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the
worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the
bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime
soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for
them.

2008/8/18 Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want
> to point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was not sure
> which one it was or even if my memory was right.
>
> Jon
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>  It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or
>> that was the story USA Today printed.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in
>> some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a
>> test to "Certify" someone with that knowledge?  Don't ask me the state but I
>> think it was in the south west some place.  I could be wrong I am getting
>> old and forgetful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> We certainly fall into the "professionals" category; it takes no fewer
>> years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or
>> accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for
>> blue-collar pay, though.
>>
>>
>>
>> We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just as
>> interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make.
>>
>>
>>
>> Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and
>> accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves lawyers
>> and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we have
>> specialized certifications (Microsoft's, CompTIA's, etc.), but nothing at a
>> higher level. Perhaps a more formalized definition of "Systems Engineer"
>> ought to be codified. Maybe the issue is that this field is still in its
>> infancy, and somewhere down the road things will change. I know there have
>> been movements towards this in the past, but they don't seem to have picked
>> up any steam.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>  *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jon, you raise a lot of great points here.
>>
>>
>> I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are?
>>
>> Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or
>> plumbers?  Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly workers?
>>
>>
>> If we are more like lawers, then what?  I have a lawyer friend who
>> regularly works 100+  hour weeks.  She also collected a $250,000 bonus last
>> year, on top of her $100,00 regular salary.
>>
>> By saing that "We're just geeks, and that's why we do it," aren't we kind
>> of opening ourselves up for abuse by the employers who are aware of that and
>> more than eager to exploit it? I'm sure a lot of lawyers are "law geeks"
>> too, but they sure as heck seem to find ways to get compensated for their
>> time.
>>
>> -- Durf
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> What you say seems to ring true.  I came over to being a computer person
>> because I got tired of having my hands tied about fixing things I saw were
>> wrong.  When you start as a regulator of a highly regulated industry and see
>> people lying to stop things that should not have been stopped and you can
>> now look back and say very loudly "I told you so" and they were kind enough
>> to actually document my telling them so at the time and for the reasons that
>> are now apparent it feels kind of good but you also feel sad to know that
>> you could not make yourself understood at the time.  At the time I thought
>> nothing of 80 to 120 hour weeks for months on end.  That is until I got
>> called into my boss's boss office and told I

Re: Anyone feeling the storm yet

[Kevin Lundy]

Nothing here in Tampa yet.  As of right now, we are planning business as
usual.  We are going to get together again after the 11 am forecast.  Right
now my only concern is a roof leak.  We have a generator capable of
supporting the entire data center and 48 hours of diesel.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:00 AM, Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida
> people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet?  I
> may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any
> heads up.  I have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday
> (after the storm has passed us) and other places saying no closures.  Go
> figure the one in Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa
> (3) say no closures at the moment.  Unless I know I have no problems I am
> going to have to go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to
> protect from power surges.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: After-hours work

[Garcia-Moran, Carlos]

I'm onsite IT, salary.  I only get #5 (never use it right away), Only
really get calls for the helpdesk and they get overtime for their work
since they're hourly. My last company sucked for this, they where a 24X7
shop my team was 8-5, but we carried a pager for a week, there was 5 of
us, the pager went off constantly, Zero Compensation, I was pulling 70+
hours week as the norm for oncall weeks, for 6  months I was the most
senior of the team since folks either quit or move out of the Dept. at
that point I was getting woken up all the time. Pager duty can be a
terrible thing sometimes

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

 

For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the
week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay
if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair
system IMO.

 

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's
no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150%
of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite
support". None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the
monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone
which does not beep when a message comes in.

 

At my last day job it was #1.

 

Dave

 

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

 

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours /
weekend works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an
onsite IT guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper,
how are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week. 

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :) 

-- Durf

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RE: Anyone feeling the storm yet

[John Cook]

We (in Gainesville) are all waiting till tomorrow but our Senior Mgmt Team is 
having a meeting as we speak in regards to procedures. I'm about to embark on a 
tour of our facilities (7 offices from Gainesville to Greenville) to make sure 
everyone is on the same page and allay any fears or concerns. We expect to get 
its full brunt in at least one of our offices in N Fl. Any info from  other Fl 
Admins is always appreciated - I'll update as well.

John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
315 SE 2nd Ave
Gainesville, Fl 32601
Office (352) 393-2741 x320
Cell (352) 215-6944
Fax (352) 393-2746
MCSE, MCTS, MCP+I,CompTIA A+, N+

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet

This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but 
is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet?  I may have to go 
in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up.  I have 
one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has 
passed us) and other places saying no closures.  Go figure the one in Orlando 
is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the 
moment.  Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut 
down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges.

Jon






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RE: Anyone feeling the storm yet

[John Hornbuckle]

We're way up north (about 60 miles south of Tallahassee). Looks like we may 
dodge this one, but they've revised the forecast track so many times that we're 
still keeping a close eye on it.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

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From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet

This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, but 
is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet?  I may have to go 
in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up.  I have 
one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has 
passed us) and other places saying no closures.  Go figure the one in Orlando 
is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the 
moment.  Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut 
down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges.

Jon





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RE: After-hours work

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

[David Lum]

OK cool.except to use that app it requires a .MSI, MST and .INI files which 
I get where?

Dave

From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Eh, no. Just say You are interested in the "Customization Wizard 9" beta. Ah, 
crap. Got the email address wrong. It's this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Found on this site:

http://blogs.adobe.com/pdfitmatters/2008/06/adobe_unveils_acrobat_9_softwa.html

--
Mike Gill

From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Should I tell them 'Mike Gill' sent me?

From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

You can probably get in to the beta for it. I have the v9 wizard and deployed 
it across to 30 some odd computers. There are numerous references left for v8 
in the documentation and one or two in the wizard itself, but the deployment 
went OK. I saw this address on a website so I'm assuming it's OK to give it 
out. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get into the beta.

--
Mike Gill

From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Not for Adobe 9 (at least, last time I checked last week).

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Yea,
Appdeploy has some good resources on getting this done cleanly.
jlc

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Don't mess with the downloads on their public website.

Get the customizable, Enterprise/distributable version in conjunction with 
their Adobe Customization Wizard.  (MST Transform  Wizard).

Adobe Acrobat and Reader in the enterprise
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/solutions/it/

Sam


From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?


I guess Adobe is sliding in 2 other items when you download and install Adobe 
Reader 9.
It puts "AIR" and "Acrobat.com" in your add/remove programs, and an 
"Acrobat.com" icon on the desktop.
Anyone know if I safely uninstall these 2 unwanted programs?
Thanks again, Adobe!






















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RE: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

[Michael B. Smith]

Use dbname;

Backup logs with truncate_only;

Go;

Quit;

 

In osql or whatever they are calling it these days.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Robert Cato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

 

 

Stsadm does not flush the logs. I have downloaded the SQL Express management 
tools, but I still need to research how to use them.

 

Robert

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Michael B. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Stsadm –o backup DOES include a sql backup.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com  

 

From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

 

Can I start by just saying AGHHH!

 

Thanks

 

We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went through 
all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full backups 
nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM  and the Metabase). As is 
the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us trying to coax the 
configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was referring to when it said 
"invalid user account" we called PSS. That's when the fun really started. We've 
been assigned a PSS member who's English is poor and their accent is so strong 
that we've given up asking them to repeat themselves and have just asked them 
email everything to us, which means things are taking ages. The configuration 
tool failed to complete at all, even with PSS talking to it, so we started down 
the route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess what?...you 
can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the configuration tool has completed 
successfully!! Which is nice, and the 'official' manual uninstall guidelines 
from MS require that you remove it from add/remove, which you can't.

 

So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak English 
and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are starting 
again. And this is really where my question comes in.

 

When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL 
server installed), does the "STSADM –o backup ..." command constitute a full 
backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it does. 
However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think that we 
would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the standalone install 
of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL Server 2005 compact or 
embedded). This doesn't have any management tools with it, and there's no clear 
indication that it's meant to be managed outside of the app thats written to 
use it. 

 

I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for someone to 
email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do ourselves. 

 

Rant over :S

 

Olly

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Freelance MOSS/WSS consultant needed in Southern UK

[Oliver Marshall]

Hi chaps,

 

Well, after 5 days, we’ve realised the MS chap assigned to us is an idiot. 

 

I think we are going to need to bring in some outside help just to undo the 
configuration changes which have been given to us over the last few days. What 
we will probably be needing is for someone to remove all the WSS/MOSS detritus 
and re-install WSS 3 for us and restore from the folder of stsadm based backups 
we have.  

 

While that happens we will be getting a new blank MOSS box up and working and 
then the client will move the sites over as they want to. 

 

Can anyone recommend anyone in the south of the UK with the skills to untangle 
WSS/MOSS and reinstall it for us ?

 

Olly


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RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Holstrom, Don]

I do it for love and money and responsibility.

 

This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago.
I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations
ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white
collar working conditions and pay. 

 

I was always told I was a "good" writer, easy to understand, eminently
speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary.  It was easy for me to
write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50.

 

Always had "gadgets" as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity
arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime.

 

I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50
hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want.
When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I
check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's
on the idiot box at that hour. 

 

When I wrote, I usually had one "boss." Now I consider every user at the
Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except
under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make
sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over
exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. 

 

But I'm an old fart...

 

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I
do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years
ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up
the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now
I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still
don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even
down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs,
putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right
naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of
hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope
these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a
little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at
following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt
that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as
they all know I am there to clean things up for them.

2008/8/18 Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not
want to point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was
not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right.

 

Jon

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or
that was the story USA Today printed.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in
some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have
a test to "Certify" someone with that knowledge?  Don't ask me the state
but I think it was in the south west some place.  I could be wrong I am
getting old and forgetful.

 

Jon

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We certainly fall into the "professionals" category; it takes no fewer
years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or
accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for
blue-collar pay, though.

 

We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just
as interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make.

 

Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and
accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves
lawyers and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we
have specialized certifications (Microsoft's, CompTIA's, etc.), but
nothing at a higher level. Perhaps a more formalized definition of
"Systems Engineer" ought to be codified. Maybe the issue is that this
field is still in its infancy, and somewhere down the road things will
change. I know there have been movements towards this in the past, but
they don't seem to have picked up any steam.

 

 

 

 

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:48 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Jon, you raise a lot of great points here. 


I have to ask, aside from WHY we do it, what do we think we are? 

Are we more like lawyers or accountants - or more like electricians or
plumbers?  Are we white-collar professionals, or blue-collar hourly
workers? 

If we are more like lawers, then what?  I have a lawyer friend who
regularly w

Re: Anyone feeling the storm yet

[Phillip Partipilo]

Jupiter area here (a little north of west palm beach), so far, just  
some thunder and a cloudy sky.  Winds picking up a tiny bit.  After  
dealing with 3 big hurricanes in these few years past, I'm not  
sweating over this one.


On Aug 18, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Jon Harris wrote:

> This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida  
> people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it  
> yet?  I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and  
> would appreciate any heads up.  I have one place telling me schools  
> will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and  
> other places saying no closures.  Go figure the one in Orlando is  
> announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at  
> the moment.  Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to  
> go in and shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect  
> from power surges.
>
> Jon
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RE: After-hours work

[Krishna Reddy]

Onsite IT, salary, #5.  I am alone now, but have been pushing for help
for about 6-8 months now.  Once I get another person, I should be down
to (relatively) normal hours.  I do off hour maintenance, but I can come
in a little late or leave a little early and it is not a big deal.  Most
off hour calls that I get are from remote sales (one in Texas and one in
the UK).
 

Thanks,

 

Krishna Reddy
IT Manager
Nucomm, Inc.

 



From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:15 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work



I'm onsite IT, salary.  I only get #5 (never use it right away), Only
really get calls for the helpdesk and they get overtime for their work
since they're hourly. My last company sucked for this, they where a 24X7
shop my team was 8-5, but we carried a pager for a week, there was 5 of
us, the pager went off constantly, Zero Compensation, I was pulling 70+
hours week as the norm for oncall weeks, for 6  months I was the most
senior of the team since folks either quit or move out of the Dept. at
that point I was getting woken up all the time. Pager duty can be a
terrible thing sometimes

 

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

 

For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the
week they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay
if your on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair
system IMO.

 

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's
no additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150%
of my normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite
support". None of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the
monitoring systems. Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone
which does not beep when a message comes in.

 

At my last day job it was #1.

 

Dave

 

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

 

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours /
weekend works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an
onsite IT guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper,
how are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week. 

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :) 

-- Durf

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RE: Backup Exec Question

[Kelsey, John]

That sounds right.  The exchange agent lets you get the information
stores.  The remote agent will pick up everything else (and exclude the
exchange folders!)
 
 
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-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 14:02
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Backup Exec Question



But if I want to backup both Exchange and files on that remote
server, I'd need both, right? The Exchange agent is only for backing up
Exchange-not files...

 

 

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Backup Exec Question

 

No, you don't need a remote agent AND an Exchange agent for BU,
the Exchange Agent is the remote agent.

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Martin Blackstone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You pretty much nailed it John.

You build a single backup server, install the agents on the
other servers, and then back them up from the BU server.

 

If I remember correctly, for the Exchange server though you
would need both the remote agent and the Exchange agent. At least if you
want to backup anything more than just the stores. I've heard that in
12.0 you can now restore individual mailboxes and messages without doing
BLB's.

 

There may be some additional agents you need (or want) as well
which are listed here:


http://www.symantec.com/business/products/agents_options.jsp?pcid=&pvid=
57_1

 

I've never seen the ExaGrid system in action, but Dedupe rocks.
You should enjoy that.

 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Backup Exec Question

 

Okay, I have a dumb question. Well, several.

 

What is the Backup Exec Remote Agent for Windows for? Do you
install it on servers that don't actually have their own backup media
(tape drive, etc.)?

 

For instance, say I have Server 1 that has a tape drive built
in, and I have Backup Exec on it backing up to that drive. Then let's
say I have Server 2 that has no tape drive. Would I install the Remote
Agent on Server 2 so that it can be backed up to the tape drive in
Server 1? Or am I misunderstanding what the Remote Agent is for?

 

Are there limitations to using the Remote Agent vs. having the
full version of Backup Exec on a server? Let's say that Server 2 is an
Exchange server. If the Exchange Agent is installed on Server 1 and the
Remote Agent is installed on Server 2, could I do an Exchange backup to
the tape drive on Server 1?

 

We've always just bought and installed the full version of
Backup Exec on every server, and every server has had its own tape
drive. But we're making two changes that may affect this-we've purchased
an ExaGrid disk-based storage system to replace tapes, and we're
consolidating some servers into VMs. I'm trying to figure out if this
means that we'll move to having just one full backup server, with remote
agents running on the rest...

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

 

 

 

 




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RE: After-hours work

[Webb, Brian (Corp)]

IT staffer here - we get #5 for any after hours work - they are pretty
good about it.  
 
We also get comp time for being on-call.  We get 4 hours of time off for
every week we are on-call.  We have a very generous vacation allocation
- especially after you have been here 5+ or 10+ years so the time off
isn't as valuable as it might be.  We have people who are struggling to
take enough time off so they don't lose hours at the end of the year.
 
-Brian

 



From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work


Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours /
weekend works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an
onsite IT guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper,
how are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week. 

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :) 

-- Durf

-- 
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Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. 
Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks!


 

 


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RE: After-hours work

[Nikki Peterson - OETX]

Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card: 
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
   78 hours Regular Pay
   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
   2 hours deducted for PTO
   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. 

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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P2V and Partitions

[Roger Wright]

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright
Network Administrator
Evatone, Inc.
727.572.7076  x388
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RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Oliver Marshall]

I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I
imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in
size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that
they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was
expecting to see a lot more of "I do it because I can't do anything
else" etc. 

 

Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively
over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to
implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are
looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should.

 

I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the
sake of my aura.

 

Olly

 

From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 15:49
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

I do it for love and money and responsibility.

 

This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago.
I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations
ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white
collar working conditions and pay. 

 

I was always told I was a "good" writer, easy to understand, eminently
speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary.  It was easy for me to
write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50.

 

Always had "gadgets" as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity
arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime.

 

I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50
hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want.
When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I
check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's
on the idiot box at that hour. 

 

When I wrote, I usually had one "boss." Now I consider every user at the
Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except
under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make
sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over
exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. 

 

But I'm an old fart...

 

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I
do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years
ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up
the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now
I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still
don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even
down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs,
putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right
naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of
hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope
these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a
little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at
following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt
that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as
they all know I am there to clean things up for them.

2008/8/18 Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not
want to point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was
not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right.

 

Jon

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or
that was the story USA Today printed.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in
some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have
a test to "Certify" someone with that knowledge?  Don't ask me the state
but I think it was in the south west some place.  I could be wrong I am
getting old and forgetful.

 

Jon

On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

We certainly fall into the "professionals" category; it takes no fewer
years to become a good technician as it does to become a good lawyer or
accountant. I'm afraid that many of us put in white-collar hours for
blue-collar pay, though.

 

We've done informal surveys here asking what we all make. Perhaps just
as interesting would be a survey asking what our BOSSES make.

 

Part of the problem is a lack of official accreditation. Lawyers and
accountants have to take certain actions in order to call themselves
lawyers and accounts. But anyone can call themselves an IT guy. Sure, we
have specialized certifica

Re: Anyone feeling the storm yet

[James Kerr]

Its been raining since before I woke up. Not much wind yet. I'm in Miami and we 
are pretty much going to shrug this off as a rain event. We are not making any 
plans to do anything special as far as IT goes. We are open for business as 
usual.

James
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jon Harris 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:00 AM
  Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet


  This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly Florida people, 
but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling it yet?  I may have to 
go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would appreciate any heads up.  I 
have one place telling me schools will be closed on Wednesday (after the storm 
has passed us) and other places saying no closures.  Go figure the one in 
Orlando is announcing the closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at 
the moment.  Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and 
shut down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges.

  Jon



 

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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Garcia-Moran, Carlos]

What OS is on the Target host? VMware HyperV or other?

 

For the most part P2V programs like VM converter let you play with the
partition's while converting so you can reduce / grow them, VM's require
the same space as the originals unless youre using something like VMware
server or Workstation which can be grow as needed

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Jason Morris]

1)  The conversion utility from VMWare asks you which
drives/partitions you want to convert over. You have the option to
choose what you want.

2)  The conversion utility from VMWare allows you to resize
partitions during conversion but it takes longer to complete the
conversion. In my experience it's been negligible.

3)  Take partition sizes into account from what you'd be doing on a
physical machine. For 2003 server I do 10 Gig just to make sure I have
the space. However, we're running our VMs from a netapp filer and I can
deduplicate that volume and utilize A LOT less space while doing so. But
for the machine, you're still telling it to have a 10 gig volume...or
whatever size you choose.

 

YMMV

Jason

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Andy Shook]

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a 
separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be 
shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2.

Shook

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions


When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and 
partitions?

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?



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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Oliver Marshall]

Roger,

 

I'm no expert, but I love VMs. 

 

>From my experience they import at the disk level. Some let you play with
the partition sizes etc if you want to be brave, but most don't make it
easy, and yes, for the most part, VM's require everything that their
physical counterparts require.

 

There are several apps that can do the import process. I use
Shadowprotect with the Hardware Independent restore option for easy of
use, and I use the VMware p2v tool for more reliability.

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 16:13
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

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me." - Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

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Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[James Rankin]

Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what with
the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square yard of
garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of respect in
general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds great,
especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin children get
particularly old.

2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I
> imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size)
> but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they
> enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to
> see a lot more of "I do it because I can't do anything else" etc.
>
>
>
> Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked,
> over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement
> dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to
> blame them for not working as hard as they should.
>
>
>
> I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake
> of my aura.
>
>
>
> Olly
>
>
>
> *From:* Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* 18 August 2008 15:49
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> I do it for love and money and responsibility.
>
>
>
> This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I
> have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever
> since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar
> working conditions and pay.
>
>
>
> I was always told I was a "good" writer, easy to understand, eminently
> speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary.  It was easy for me to
> write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50.
>
>
>
> Always had "gadgets" as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity
> arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime.
>
>
>
> I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50
> hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When
> you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the
> Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot
> box at that hour.
>
>
>
> When I wrote, I usually had one "boss." Now I consider every user at the
> Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under
> my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all
> the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I
> want to make their jobs better.
>
>
>
> But I'm an old fart…
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do
> extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago
> when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the
> messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find
> even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow
> best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little
> things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on
> AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which
> means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for
> no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked
> and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the
> worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the
> bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime
> soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for
> them.
>
> 2008/8/18 Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want
> to point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was not sure
> which one it was or even if my memory was right.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or
> that was the story USA Today printed.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in
> some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have a
> test to "Certify" someone with that knowledge?  Don't ask me the state but I
> think it was in the south west some place.  I could be wrong I am getting
> old and forgetful.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM, John Hornbuckle <

RE: P2V and Partitions

[Martin Blackstone]

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be
shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_

 

"A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me."
- Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: After-hours work

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC]

" I think it is time for IT based Unions..."

That, or you find a new job

Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat

-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card: 
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
   78 hours Regular Pay
   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
   2 hours deducted for PTO
   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. 

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Oliver Marshall]

James,

 

Do it mate. I'm on the south coast, two kids, usual kinda life etc. I
agree with everything you said particularly the respect within society
(though with the demands put on everyone to generate tax it's hardly
suprising no one has time or gives a damn). My misses and I are sorely
tempted by Canada. If our parents weren't a factor then it would already
been done.

 

Olly

 

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 16:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what
with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square
yard of garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of
respect in general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds
great, especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin
children get particularly old.

2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I
imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in
size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that
they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was
expecting to see a lot more of "I do it because I can't do anything
else" etc. 

 

Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively
over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to
implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are
looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should.

 

I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the
sake of my aura.

 

Olly

 

From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 15:49


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

I do it for love and money and responsibility.

 

This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago.
I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations
ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white
collar working conditions and pay. 

 

I was always told I was a "good" writer, easy to understand, eminently
speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary.  It was easy for me to
write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50.

 

Always had "gadgets" as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity
arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime.

 

I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50
hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want.
When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I
check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's
on the idiot box at that hour. 

 

When I wrote, I usually had one "boss." Now I consider every user at the
Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except
under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make
sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over
exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. 

 

But I'm an old fart...

 

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I
do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years
ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up
the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now
I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still
don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even
down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs,
putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right
naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of
hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope
these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a
little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at
following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt
that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as
they all know I am there to clean things up for them.

2008/8/18 Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not
want to point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was
not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right.

 

Jon

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Steve Kelsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

It was Texas, where the definition of an Engineer is defined by law. Or
that was the story USA Today printed.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 23:05 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Enginee

RE: P2V and Partitions

[Jason Morris]

It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to
be shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_

 

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me." - Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: P2V and Partitions

[Don Ely]

It depends...  The system partition it won't.  The others it will.  At least
that is how I recall it...

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:25 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  But will Windows see that expanded partition?
>
> I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
> dynamically resize.
>
>
>
> *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> Roger,
>
> 1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
> volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.
>
> 2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be
> shrunk or expanded during the P2V.
>
> 3.   No, see #2.
>
>
>
> Shook
>
>
>
> *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
> partitions?
>
> Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?
>
> Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Evatone, Inc.
>
> 727.572.7076  x388
>
> _
>
>
>
> "A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me."
> - Frederick Douglass
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Andy Shook]

Yes it will. After the "import" when the machine powers on for the first time, 
it does a hardware refresh b\c device manager has a bunch of new stuff in it 
now, including new storage controller with new storage.

Oo  Face!  :)

Shook

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

But will Windows see that expanded partition?
I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just dynamically 
resize.

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a 
separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be 
shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2.

Shook

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions


When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and 
partitions?

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?



Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_



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RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Steve Kelsay]

I do it because I enjoy the complete arbitrary and capricious use of
power. The bribery and corruption is down this year, but we can usually
make do by upping the blackmail quotient.  

 

Note to internal audit: "just kidding, guys, really!"

 

From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

James,

 

Do it mate. I'm on the south coast, two kids, usual kinda life etc. I
agree with everything you said particularly the respect within society
(though with the demands put on everyone to generate tax it's hardly
suprising no one has time or gives a damn). My misses and I are sorely
tempted by Canada. If our parents weren't a factor then it would already
been done.

 

Olly

 

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 16:23
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what
with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square
yard of garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of
respect in general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds
great, especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin
children get particularly old.

2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I
imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in
size) but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that
they enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was
expecting to see a lot more of "I do it because I can't do anything
else" etc. 

 

Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively
over-worked, over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to
implement dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are
looking to blame them for not working as hard as they should.

 

I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the
sake of my aura.

 

Olly

 

From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 15:49


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

I do it for love and money and responsibility.

 

This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago.
I have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations
ever since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white
collar working conditions and pay. 

 

I was always told I was a "good" writer, easy to understand, eminently
speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary.  It was easy for me to
write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50.

 

Always had "gadgets" as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity
arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime.

 

I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50
hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want.
When you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I
check the Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's
on the idiot box at that hour. 

 

When I wrote, I usually had one "boss." Now I consider every user at the
Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except
under my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make
sure all the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over
exclusion. I want to make their jobs better. 

 

But I'm an old fart...

 

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I
do extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years
ago when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up
the messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now
I find even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still
don't follow best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even
down to little things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs,
putting descriptions on AD objects, ensuring resources have the right
naming convention, etc. Which means I always spend an extra couple of
hours putting everything right for no reward. Maybe I could just hope
these colleagues eventually get sacked and replaced by ones who listen a
little more, but my boss is one of the worst offenders (especially at
following change control procedures - the bane of my life) and I doubt
that the slapdash attitude will change anytime soon. At least as long as
they all know I am there to clean things up for them.

2008/8/18 Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not
want to point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was
not sure which one it was or even if my memory was right.

 

RE: P2V and Partitions

[Martin Blackstone]

I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.

 

PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be
shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_

 

"A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me."
- Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

[Oliver Marshall]

Well, 

 

We finally got it working. After manually removing MOSS and WSS and basically 
ignoring the instructions from MS PSS, and attempting several re-runs of the 
configuration wizard we finally got a working, blank MOSS install. 

 

At the same time we had been running a 2003 VM with WSS v3 to test how we would 
import the backups. Nothing, not a force on earth, would get the databases 
imported in to the test WSS setup. The sites were created fine, but the 
contentdbs were blank.  Giving up on that we just attached the original MDF 
files to the SQL Express instance and then created new applications on the same 
ports pointing each DB to the newly attached DBs in SQL server.

 

10 mins later and we have three running sharepoint sites. 

 

How this will hold up is anyones guess but the users are reporting that it’s 
all working and are happily catching up and causing chaos as we speak.

 

Olly

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 14:56
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

 

Use dbname;

Backup logs with truncate_only;

Go;

Quit;

 

In osql or whatever they are calling it these days.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Robert Cato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

 

 

Stsadm does not flush the logs. I have downloaded the SQL Express management 
tools, but I still need to research how to use them.

 

Robert

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Michael B. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Stsadm –o backup DOES include a sql backup.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com  

 

From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Sharepoint / MOSS woes

 

Can I start by just saying AGHHH!

 

Thanks

 

We decided to upgrade our WSS 3 box to MOSS2007 on Thursday. We went through 
all the docs before hand, got a copy of the backups (we run full backups 
nightly using STSADM and also get backup of the AAM  and the Metabase). As is 
the way, the install went badly. After 24 hours of us trying to coax the 
configuration tool to tell us what useraccount it was referring to when it said 
"invalid user account" we called PSS. That's when the fun really started. We've 
been assigned a PSS member who's English is poor and their accent is so strong 
that we've given up asking them to repeat themselves and have just asked them 
email everything to us, which means things are taking ages. The configuration 
tool failed to complete at all, even with PSS talking to it, so we started down 
the route of uninstalling MOSS/WSS and then starting again. Guess what?...you 
can't uninstall MOSS/WSS unless the configuration tool has completed 
successfully!! Which is nice, and the 'official' manual uninstall guidelines 
from MS require that you remove it from add/remove, which you can't.

 

So, after stepping in to the dark, this time with a chap who can speak English 
and was happy to sit and chat, we've manually removed MOSS and are starting 
again. And this is really where my question comes in.

 

When using WSS3 in standalone mode (ie just one box running WSS without SQL 
server installed), does the "STSADM –o backup ..." command constitute a full 
backup? We thought it did, and have checked the docs which also imply it does. 
However the PSS chap (now back the non-english speaker) seems to think that we 
would also need an SQL backup. This in itself is odd, as the standalone install 
of WSS3 appears to use Windows Internal Database (ie SQL Server 2005 compact or 
embedded). This doesn't have any management tools with it, and there's no clear 
indication that it's meant to be managed outside of the app thats written to 
use it. 

 

I'm losing the will to live, and am apparently paying good money for someone to 
email me links and to confuse us even more than we are able to do ourselves. 

 

Rant over :S

 

Olly

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: P2V and Partitions

[Don Ely]

Yep, I have a NetApp with dedupe too!!

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:31 AM, Martin Blackstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>  I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.
>
>
>
> PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.
>
>
>
> *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> But will Windows see that expanded partition?
>
> I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
> dynamically resize.
>
>
>
> *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> Roger,
>
> 1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
> volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.
>
> 2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be
> shrunk or expanded during the P2V.
>
> 3.   No, see #2.
>
>
>
> Shook
>
>
>
> *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
> partitions?
>
> Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?
>
> Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?
>
>
>
> Roger Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Evatone, Inc.
>
> 727.572.7076  x388
>
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Re: After-hours work

[Jon Harris]

Or be knocked/pushed down.

Jon

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> " I think it is time for IT based Unions..."
> That, or you find a new job
>
> Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> Currently I am classified as "Exempt". Description of "Exempt" as
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> -   Pay based on 2 weeks
> -   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> -   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers
> and any extra maint for 8 hours
> -   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> -   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am
> forced to use my PTO (vacation)
> -   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr.
> note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> -   89 hours worked during the regular days
> -   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> -   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family
> emergency)
> -   On call
> o   My paycheck shows:
>    78 hours Regular Pay
>    16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>    2 hours deducted for PTO
>    No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a
> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not
> reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the
> County gets much more than they pay for.
>
> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I
> have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>
> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a
> boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that "No one
> leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My
> boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss,
> but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The
> biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks
> with.
>
> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>
> This used to be fun but now it sucks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
> rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
> weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
> time and half.
>
> Mike
>
> Original Message:
> -
> From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
>
> For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
> they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
> on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.
>
> As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
> additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
> normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
> of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
> Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
> when a message comes in.
>
> At my last day job it was #1.
>
> Dave
>
> From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: After-hours work
>
> Hey all,
>
> Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
> works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
> guy, please indicate.
>
> 
> If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
> are you compensated?
>
> 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
> 2. Flat fee for being on-call.
> 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
> 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
> 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
> take a day off later in the week.
>
> Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
> beeper) so it's on my mind. :)
>
> -- Durf
>
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RE: Anyone feeling the storm yet

[Bob Fronk]

My company just sent a few hundred power line workers to get ready for
repairs.  

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

859.321.4442

 

From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Anyone feeling the storm yet

 

Its been raining since before I woke up. Not much wind yet. I'm in Miami
and we are pretty much going to shrug this off as a rain event. We are
not making any plans to do anything special as far as IT goes. We are
open for business as usual.

 

James

- Original Message - 

From: Jon Harris   

To: NT System Admin Issues
  

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:00 AM

Subject: Anyone feeling the storm yet

 

This is for those in the path of Tropical Storm Fay, mainly
Florida people, but is anyone in the southern part of the state feeling
it yet?  I may have to go in today or tomorrow and prep for it and would
appreciate any heads up.  I have one place telling me schools will be
closed on Wednesday (after the storm has passed us) and other places
saying no closures.  Go figure the one in Orlando is announcing the
closures and the ones in Tampa (3) say no closures at the moment.
Unless I know I have no problems I am going to have to go in and shut
down the servers and most of the switches to protect from power surges.

 

Jon

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Jason Morris]

Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI?

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.

 

PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to
be shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

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me." - Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: After-hours work

[David Lum]

+1 on the floor mat comment.

What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues...

Dave Lum


-Original Message-
From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

" I think it is time for IT based Unions..."

That, or you find a new job

Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat

-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card:
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
   78 hours Regular Pay
   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
   2 hours deducted for PTO
   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Martin Blackstone]

NFS

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI?

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.

 

PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be
shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_

 

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- Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: P2V and Partitions

[Don Ely]

NFS baby!!!

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Jason Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI?
>
>
>
> *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.
>
>
>
> PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.
>
>
>
> *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> But will Windows see that expanded partition?
>
> I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
> dynamically resize.
>
>
>
> *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> Roger,
>
> 1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
> volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.
>
> 2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be
> shrunk or expanded during the P2V.
>
> 3.   No, see #2.
>
>
>
> Shook
>
>
>
> *From:* Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* P2V and Partitions
>
>
>
> When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
> partitions?
>
> Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?
>
> Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?
>
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> Roger Wright
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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Jason Morris]

Just regular application servers so far or SQL + Exchange? My plan is to
run the boot volumes on nfs and storage off iscsi for SQL/Exchange. But
we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o
performance. "supposedly"

 

My problem with using iscsi volumes is that netapp tells you to make the
flexvol 220% of the space you'll give to the iscsi luns. All that extra
space is for snapshots and stuff. L That much wasted space makes me a
sad panda.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

NFS

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI?

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.

 

PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to
be shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

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RE: Freelance MOSS/WSS consultant needed in Southern UK

[NTSysAdmin]

Have you not escalated it??

From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Freelance MOSS/WSS consultant needed in Southern UK

Hi chaps,

Well, after 5 days, we’ve realised the MS chap assigned to us is an idiot.

I think we are going to need to bring in some outside help just to undo the 
configuration changes which have been given to us over the last few days. What 
we will probably be needing is for someone to remove all the WSS/MOSS detritus 
and re-install WSS 3 for us and restore from the folder of stsadm based backups 
we have.

While that happens we will be getting a new blank MOSS box up and working and 
then the client will move the sites over as they want to.

Can anyone recommend anyone in the south of the UK with the skills to untangle 
WSS/MOSS and reinstall it for us ?

Olly






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Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[James Rankin]

I think I am going to try and start to sort it as soon as the kids arrive,
might take a while to get done, but the thought of big gardens, cheap petrol
and no hoodies/chavs appeals to me no end!

2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>  James,
>
>
>
> Do it mate. I'm on the south coast, two kids, usual kinda life etc. I agree
> with everything you said particularly the respect within society (though
> with the demands put on everyone to generate tax it's hardly suprising no
> one has time or gives a damn). My misses and I are sorely tempted by Canada.
> If our parents weren't a factor then it would already been done.
>
>
>
> Olly
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* 18 August 2008 16:23
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what
> with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square yard of
> garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of respect in
> general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds great,
> especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin children get
> particularly old.
>
> 2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I
> imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size)
> but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they
> enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to
> see a lot more of "I do it because I can't do anything else" etc.
>
>
>
> Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked,
> over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement
> dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to
> blame them for not working as hard as they should.
>
>
>
> I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake
> of my aura.
>
>
>
> Olly
>
>
>
> *From:* Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* 18 August 2008 15:49
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> I do it for love and money and responsibility.
>
>
>
> This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I
> have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever
> since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar
> working conditions and pay.
>
>
>
> I was always told I was a "good" writer, easy to understand, eminently
> speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary.  It was easy for me to
> write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50.
>
>
>
> Always had "gadgets" as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity
> arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime.
>
>
>
> I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50
> hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When
> you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the
> Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot
> box at that hour.
>
>
>
> When I wrote, I usually had one "boss." Now I consider every user at the
> Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under
> my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all
> the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I
> want to make their jobs better.
>
>
>
> But I'm an old fart…
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do
> extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago
> when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the
> messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find
> even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow
> best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little
> things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on
> AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which
> means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for
> no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked
> and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the
> worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the
> bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime
> soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for
> them.
>
> 2008/8/18 Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want
> to point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was 

RE: P2V and Partitions

[Martin Blackstone]

That's for cleaning up that sig!

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Yes it will. After the "import" when the machine powers on for the first
time, it does a hardware refresh b\c device manager has a bunch of new stuff
in it now, including new storage controller with new storage. 

 

Oo  Face!  J 

 

Shook

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be
shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_

 

"A gentleman will not insult me, and no man not a gentleman can insult me."
- Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~   ~

Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Steve Ens]

Oliver, come on in, the water is fine (but bring an extra coat for winter).

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 10:26 AM, Oliver Marshall <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  James,
>
>
>
> Do it mate. I'm on the south coast, two kids, usual kinda life etc. I agree
> with everything you said particularly the respect within society (though
> with the demands put on everyone to generate tax it's hardly suprising no
> one has time or gives a damn). My misses and I are sorely tempted by Canada.
> If our parents weren't a factor then it would already been done.
>
>
>
> Olly
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* 18 August 2008 16:23
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> Yes emigration is definitely becoming my only hope here in the UK, what
> with the ever-increasing mortgage on my 2-bedroom semi with a square yard of
> garden, the rocketing price of food and beer, and the lack of respect in
> general day-to-day society. US, Canada or New Zealand sounds great,
> especially if I can do it before my (soon-to-be-arriving) twin children get
> particularly old.
>
> 2008/8/18 Oliver Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I'm not sure what it's like on the other side of the great divide (I
> imagine that you all have big cars and all back gardens are acres in size)
> but I'm very surprised that so many people responded saying that they
> enjoyed their position, or did it for positive reasons. I was expecting to
> see a lot more of "I do it because I can't do anything else" etc.
>
>
>
> Certainly I know far more IT workers over here are massively over-worked,
> over stressed, hassled by bosses looking to use them to implement
> dictatorial technical working conditions and by users who are looking to
> blame them for not working as hard as they should.
>
>
>
> I, for one, am definitely off to the States, even if it's just for the sake
> of my aura.
>
>
>
> Olly
>
>
>
> *From:* Holstrom, Don [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* 18 August 2008 15:49
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> I do it for love and money and responsibility.
>
>
>
> This is a second career for me, retired as a speechwriter 10 years ago. I
> have been a sysadmin (one-man-shop) for two different organizations ever
> since. I am now 60. I consider this a blue collar job with white collar
> working conditions and pay.
>
>
>
> I was always told I was a "good" writer, easy to understand, eminently
> speakable/readable. I took that as complimentary.  It was easy for me to
> write, made lots of dough, able to retire at 50.
>
>
>
> Always had "gadgets" as an interest, as a hobbyist. When the opportunity
> arose, I took the job to work with 'puters fulltime.
>
>
>
> I love the work, well, not every minute, but 99% of the time. Average 50
> hours a week, year round. But can take off when I need or simply want. When
> you are 60, it's not often you will sleep through the night, so I check the
> Museum's servers all the time. Hey, better than 98% of what's on the idiot
> box at that hour.
>
>
>
> When I wrote, I usually had one "boss." Now I consider every user at the
> Museum where I work as my boss. I never call them losers (well, except under
> my breath every so often, infrequently). I feel my job is to make sure all
> the systems are go and everyone has access. Full inclusion over exclusion. I
> want to make their jobs better.
>
>
>
> But I'm an old fart…
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 9:12 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> To add my two cents worth to this subject - I find a lot of the time I do
> extra hours for no reward is to make sure things run correctly. Years ago
> when I worked for a large outsourcer I was continually cleaning up the
> messes of IT systems that had been designed and run very poorly. Now I find
> even when I take the morning off, the people I work with still don't follow
> best practises that I document thoroughly for them, even down to little
> things like ensuring servers are in the right OUs, putting descriptions on
> AD objects, ensuring resources have the right naming convention, etc. Which
> means I always spend an extra couple of hours putting everything right for
> no reward. Maybe I could just hope these colleagues eventually get sacked
> and replaced by ones who listen a little more, but my boss is one of the
> worst offenders (especially at following change control procedures - the
> bane of my life) and I doubt that the slapdash attitude will change anytime
> soon. At least as long as they all know I am there to clean things up for
> them.
>
> 2008/8/18 Jon Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> That was one of 2 different ones I thought was correct but I did not want
> to point a finger incorrectly.  The other was New Mexico but I was not sure
> which one it was or even if my memory was right.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Mon, Aug

RE: P2V and Partitions

[Martin Blackstone]

Go logon to the NetApp site and download TR-3697 whitepaper.

It was just released last week. Co-authored by VMWare and Netapp, it talks
about the performance of the different protocols available (FC, ISCSI, NFS).
You might be surprised.

 

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Just regular application servers so far or SQL + Exchange? My plan is to run
the boot volumes on nfs and storage off iscsi for SQL/Exchange. But we need
to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o performance.
"supposedly"

 

My problem with using iscsi volumes is that netapp tells you to make the
flexvol 220% of the space you'll give to the iscsi luns. All that extra
space is for snapshots and stuff. L That much wasted space makes me a sad
panda.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

NFS

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI?

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.

 

PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be
shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

_

 

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- Frederick Douglass

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: P2V and Partitions

[Phil Brutsche]

Wouldn't it be simpler to run the iSCSI initiator software on the VMs
and have the VMs talk directly to the iSCSI target (ie the storage box)?

Jason Morris wrote:
> But we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the
> i/o performance. “supposedly”

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RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

[Tim Vander Kooi]

Dave,
You get the MSI file by running the EXE and then pulling the MSI from the temp 
directory where it gets expanded to.
TVK

From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

OK cool.except to use that app it requires a .MSI, MST and .INI files which 
I get where?

Dave

From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Eh, no. Just say You are interested in the "Customization Wizard 9" beta. Ah, 
crap. Got the email address wrong. It's this: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Found on this site:

http://blogs.adobe.com/pdfitmatters/2008/06/adobe_unveils_acrobat_9_softwa.html

--
Mike Gill

From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Should I tell them 'Mike Gill' sent me?

From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

You can probably get in to the beta for it. I have the v9 wizard and deployed 
it across to 30 some odd computers. There are numerous references left for v8 
in the documentation and one or two in the wizard itself, but the deployment 
went OK. I saw this address on a website so I'm assuming it's OK to give it 
out. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] to get into the beta.

--
Mike Gill

From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Not for Adobe 9 (at least, last time I checked last week).

From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 1:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Yea,
Appdeploy has some good resources on getting this done cleanly.
jlc

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 11:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?

Don't mess with the downloads on their public website.

Get the customizable, Enterprise/distributable version in conjunction with 
their Adobe Customization Wizard.  (MST Transform  Wizard).

Adobe Acrobat and Reader in the enterprise
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/solutions/it/

Sam


From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 12:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Adobe Reader 9 - includes AIR and Acrobat.com?


I guess Adobe is sliding in 2 other items when you download and install Adobe 
Reader 9.
It puts "AIR" and "Acrobat.com" in your add/remove programs, and an 
"Acrobat.com" icon on the desktop.
Anyone know if I safely uninstall these 2 unwanted programs?
Thanks again, Adobe!



























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RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Kim Longenbaugh]

What are "hoodies/chavs"?

 



From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

 

 

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Re: P2V and Partitions

[John Cook]

Do you want Martin to see your O face?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families


From: Andy Shook
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Mon Aug 18 11:30:41 2008
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions
Yes it will. After the “import� when the machine powers on for the first time, 
it does a hardware refresh b\c device manager has a bunch of new stuff in it 
now, including new storage controller with new storage.

Oo  Face!  ☺

Shook

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

But will Windows see that expanded partition?
I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won’t just dynamically 
resize.

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate volume(with a 
separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to be 
shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2.

Shook

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions


When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and 
partitions?

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?



Roger Wright

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Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[James Kerr]

We have something similar in the states.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chavs
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kim Longenbaugh 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:00 PM
  Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?


  What are "hoodies/chavs"?

   


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  Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
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RE: After-hours work

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC]

See, I don’t see it that way (unless you’re being facetious).  If they’re 
knocking you down, or pushing you down, aren’t’ you letting them.  My whole 
point is simply in most case, no one will look out for you – but you.  
Sometimes pushing back gets you farther than not pushing back.  By all means, 
I’m not simply stating that you push back on everything, but picking your 
battles will get you much farther.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

 

Or be knocked/pushed down.

 

Jon

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]> wrote:

" I think it is time for IT based Unions..."

That, or you find a new job

Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat


-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Currently I am classified as "Exempt". Description of "Exempt" as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card:
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
§   78 hours Regular Pay
§   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
§   2 hours deducted for PTO
§   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that "No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Jason Morris]

Reading it now...I'll comment after lunch! Thanks Martin.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Go logon to the NetApp site and download TR-3697 whitepaper.

It was just released last week. Co-authored by VMWare and Netapp, it
talks about the performance of the different protocols available (FC,
ISCSI, NFS). You might be surprised...

 

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Just regular application servers so far or SQL + Exchange? My plan is to
run the boot volumes on nfs and storage off iscsi for SQL/Exchange. But
we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o
performance. "supposedly"

 

My problem with using iscsi volumes is that netapp tells you to make the
flexvol 220% of the space you'll give to the iscsi luns. All that extra
space is for snapshots and stuff. L That much wasted space makes me a
sad panda.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

NFS

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI?

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.

 

PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to
be shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

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RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Oliver Marshall]

Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called
Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will
knife you as soon as look at you.

 

 

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

What are "hoodies/chavs"?

 



From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: Outloot Limit on messages per folder

[Bob Fronk]

So you are saying 5000 items TOTAL.  Regardless if they have two
subfolders or 100 subfolders?

 

Bob Fronk

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

859.321.4442

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 3:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Outloot Limit on messages per folder

 

In the Exchange database, everything is either a folder, or an item.
That part of the schema is very flat.

 

And often a folder is an item too - when you are performing operations
on that folder.

 

So, 1,000 or 5,000 items; whatever, in your critical path includes the
folders; but it does NOT include the items within those folders.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: David Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 2:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Outloot Limit on messages per folder

 

In this case, is there a performance hit difference between having 50+
subfolders under the Mailbox vs. having them under the Inbox ? We haave
Symantec's Enterprise Vault in place to archive items in the mailbox but
thus far we've been telling users to either create subfolders under the
mailbox or under their inbox, eithe rway stubs are stubs & subfolders
are just that & there is no difference -if there's benefit to one over
the other, I'd be interested to hear, 


On 8/14/08 12:06 PM, "Micheal Espinola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Indeed, +pi.  This has been bothersome aspect for a few years now
since the introduction of search folders instead of sub folders, but
we cant have all items in the inbox without some sort of archival
process to negate performance issues.

The Exchange team really needs to get on the ball with this.
Especially with the dependence of mobile platforms that dont handle
sub foldering well.


On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Martin Blackstone
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Indeed. Outlook is in need of some major design changes to deal with
the
> large mailboxes people have today (and larger tomorrow).
>
> Even with mail archival solutions in place, what's the difference if I
have
> 20,000 messages or 20,000 stubs?
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:54 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Outloot Limit on messages per folder
>
>
>
> Funny - Microsoft wants to encourage the use of "search folders" etc
that
> make actual folders obsolete, yet the product (apparently) can't
handle
> having a few thousand items in an actual folder, necessitating the use
of
> physical folders...
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, 14 August 2008 10:26 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Outloot Limit on messages per folder
>
>
>
> You don't need an archive strategy per say, just better mailbox
management.
>
> I use sub folders under my inbox for older mail.
>
> Say a folder called 2007, 2006, etc.
>
>
>
> Yes, they have more than 5000 items, but I rarely hit them, so I can
live
> with it.
>
>
>
> From: Fergal O'Connell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 5:19 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Outloot Limit on messages per folder
>
>
>
> Exchange 2007
>
> Outlook 2003 Sp3.
>
>
>
> I knew I saw a KB article about this before -
>
> Just need some proof before I can confront the user and advise on a
archive
> strategy.
>
> All mails are going to the Inbox and not a sub folder.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 14 August 2008 13:02
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Outloot Limit on messages per folder
>
>
>
> What version of Outlook and is this the Inbox or a sub folder.  Is
this a
> PST, OST, or Exchange format.  I know with Outlook 2003 using a PST
things
> usually got sluggish but that depended also on the total disk space
being
> used and whether I had upgraded to the later version of the PST or was
still
> using the Outlook 97-2000 version of a PST.
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>
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Fergal O'Connell
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> Hi All
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>
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> What is the max amount of messages a folder in Outlook should contain?
>
>
>
> I have a user with approx 2 messages in his Inbox and Outlook is
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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Jason Morris]

Without HA and VMotion, yes. Throw those into the mix and the config
gets much more complicated.
Reading the TR now.
-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: P2V and Partitions

Wouldn't it be simpler to run the iSCSI initiator software on the VMs
and have the VMs talk directly to the iSCSI target (ie the storage box)?

Jason Morris wrote:
> But we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the
> i/o performance. "supposedly"

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RE: After-hours work

[Michael B. Smith]

Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
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-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card: 
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
   78 hours Regular Pay
   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
   2 hours deducted for PTO
   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half. 

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[James Kerr]

They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves in 
the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Oliver Marshall 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM
  Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?


  Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called 
Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife 
you as soon as look at you.

   

   

   

  From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

   

  What are "hoodies/chavs"?

   


--

  From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

   

   

  

   

 




 

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RE: After-hours work

[Joseph L. Casale]

Good lord, Nikki do we work at the same place? 

jlc

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card:
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
   78 hours Regular Pay
   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
   2 hours deducted for PTO
   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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Re: After-hours work

[Durf]

Reminds me of my first computer job, working for a retail whitebox builder
who also did Packaged Hell warranty support.

He was an ex-felon with an ankle-bracelet who tried to work a deal where I'd
update a customer's website for him (a pool dealership) so he could get a
free pool.  Keep in mind he was the "manager" not the "owner" because he was
legally barred from ever owning a business again, and had everything in his
wife's name, including the million dollars worth of business debt.

-- Durf

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Joseph L. Casale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

> Good lord, Nikki do we work at the same place? 
>
> jlc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:18 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> Currently I am classified as "Exempt". Description of "Exempt" as
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> -   Pay based on 2 weeks
> -   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> -   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers
> and any extra maint for 8 hours
> -   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> -   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am
> forced to use my PTO (vacation)
> -   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr.
> note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> -   89 hours worked during the regular days
> -   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> -   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family
> emergency)
> -   On call
> o   My paycheck shows:
>    78 hours Regular Pay
>    16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>    2 hours deducted for PTO
>    No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a
> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not
> reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the
> County gets much more than they pay for.
>
> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I
> have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>
> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a
> boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that "No one
> leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My
> boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss,
> but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The
> biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks
> with.
>
> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>
> This used to be fun but now it sucks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
> rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
> weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
> time and half.
>
> Mike
>
> Original Message:
> -
> From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
>
> For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
> they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
> on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.
>
> As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
> additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
> normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
> of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
> Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
> when a message comes in.
>
> At my last day job it was #1.
>
> Dave
>
> From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: After-hours work
>
> Hey all,
>
> Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
> works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
> guy, please indicate.
>
> 
> If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
> are you compensated?
>
> 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
> 2. Flat fee for being on-call.
> 3. Overtime or time-

Re: After-hours work

[Jim McAtee]

This is totally up to my management.


Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very nice 
lawsuit to file.


An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a clock 
and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by 
all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly 
wage.  That would make you non-exempt.


I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these 
jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the 
company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the 
department.



- Original Message - 
From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: After-hours work


Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as 
understood by my manager is as follows:

- Pay based on 2 weeks
- 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
- 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours

- On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
- If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)

- FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card:
- 89 hours worked during the regular days
- 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
- 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family 
emergency)

- On call
o My paycheck shows:
 78 hours Regular Pay
 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
 2 hours deducted for PTO
 No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a 
great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will 
not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and 
the County gets much more than they pay for.


We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I 
have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.


Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have 
a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one 
leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. 
My boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his 
boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. 
The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he 
drinks with.


I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks. 



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[John Hornbuckle]

I love the trick where the employer give you nothing if you work an hour extra, 
but wants you to use leave if you take off an hour early.

Mine doesn't do that, but my wife's does (she's a salaried medical 
professional). I've been encouraging her to not tolerate it. Her boss doesn't 
see that it's a double standard, though.




-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card:
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
   78 hours Regular Pay
   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
   2 hours deducted for PTO
   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

--
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Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks!





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ 

Re: After-hours work

[Jim McAtee]

More:

http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/index.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Jim McAtee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: After-hours work



This is totally up to my management.


Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very 
nice lawsuit to file.


An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a 
clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, 
then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid 
an hourly wage.  That would make you non-exempt.


I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these 
jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the 
company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the 
department.



- Original Message - 
From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: After-hours work


Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as 
understood by my manager is as follows:

- Pay based on 2 weeks
- 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
- 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours

- On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
- If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
- FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. 
note.


Example of my time card:
- 89 hours worked during the regular days
- 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
- 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family 
emergency)

- On call
o My paycheck shows:
 78 hours Regular Pay
 16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
 2 hours deducted for PTO
 No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a 
great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he 
will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and 
long and the County gets much more than they pay for.


We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. 
I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.


Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have 
a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No 
one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is 
done. My boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing 
of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to 
be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one 
fellow he drinks with.


I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~ 



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[Kennedy, Jim]

The best part of this whole story is that it looks like the pay stub provides 
most of the documentation needed. It won't cover all the time Nikki has been 
screwed out of but it covers a lot of it.


-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

More:

http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/index.html


- Original Message -
From: "Jim McAtee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: After-hours work


>> This is totally up to my management.
>
> Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very
> nice lawsuit to file.
>
> An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a
> clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job,
> then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid
> an hourly wage.  That would make you non-exempt.
>
> I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these
> jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the
> company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the
> department.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
>
>> Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as
>> understood by my manager is as follows:
>> - Pay based on 2 weeks
>> - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
>> - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and
>> any extra maint for 8 hours
>> - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
>> - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced
>> to use my PTO (vacation)
>> - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr.
>> note.
>>
>> Example of my time card:
>> - 89 hours worked during the regular days
>> - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
>> - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family
>> emergency)
>> - On call
>> o My paycheck shows:
>>  78 hours Regular Pay
>>  16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>>  2 hours deducted for PTO
>>  No mention of on call
>>
>> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a
>> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he
>> will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and
>> long and the County gets much more than they pay for.
>>
>> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer.
>> I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>>
>> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have
>> a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No
>> one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is
>> done. My boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing
>> of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to
>> be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one
>> fellow he drinks with.
>>
>> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>>
>> This used to be fun but now it sucks.
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

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~   ~

Re: After-hours work

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 16 Aug 2008 at 11:07, Durf  wrote:

> 
> Hey all,
> 
> Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / 
> weekend works. This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an 
> onsite IT guy, please indicate.
> 
> 
> If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, 
> how are you compensated?
> 
> 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
> 2. Flat fee for being on-call.
> 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
> 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
> 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / 
> take a day off later in the week.
> 
> Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual 
> beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

I'm a consultant, working for myself (not a "cnosultant" employee of a large 
consulting shop).

My office voicemail pages my cell phone so I am on-call all the time already.

I charge time-and-a-quarter for any work evenings and weekends.  Several of my 
clients are golf courses and often need support "right now" on weekends; seems 
fair to them to charge extra if I have to take time away from family stuff, and 
it means they only call on the weekend when they really need support.



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 16 Aug 2008 at 23:04, Jon Harris  wrote:

> Is it my memory going bad or wasn't Network Engineer a few years back in 
> some state not allowed as a title as the state in question did not have 
> a test to "Certify" someone with that knowledge?Don't ask me the state 
> but I think it was in the south west some place. I could be wrong I am 
> getting old and forgetful. 

In Arizona you can't use the word "Engineer" in your title or company name 
unless you are licensed as a P.E. by the state.  My penultimate "real job" was 
as a geophysicist for "Zonge Engineering and Research Organization", and the 
owner had to pay a licensed P.E. a monthly fee to be listed on the company 
books so he could keep the company name, which he'd had for years before they 
started enforcing this law. 

It affected Netware CNE "engineers" when it happened, too.

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
+---+




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~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[David Lum]

As a self-employed consultant I agree completely. I would +1 on this but this 
is so on the money it isn't funny. HVAC folks and plumbers charge big-time 
extra for a fix off hours and for good reason. I.T. off-hours charges should be 
no different where IT infrastructure is almost as critical as HVAC, etc.

Dave


-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

On 16 Aug 2008 at 11:07, Durf  wrote:

>
> Thanks all. Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
> beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

I'm a consultant, working for myself (not a "cnosultant" employee of a large
consulting shop).

My office voicemail pages my cell phone so I am on-call all the time already.

I charge time-and-a-quarter for any work evenings and weekends.  Several of my
clients are golf courses and often need support "right now" on weekends; seems
fair to them to charge extra if I have to take time away from family stuff, and
it means they only call on the weekend when they really need support.


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~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[Nikki Peterson - OETX]

They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of 
whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation.

Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd 
be poison. I'd win and then what?

BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, 
which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a "Not a team player" mark. 
Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing 
with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks 
(including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). 
Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he 
didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on 
the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the 
supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much 
reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation 
for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My 
boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and 
pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered 
the highest technical employees.

I really don't think I am alone in this situation. 

-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

> This is totally up to my management.

Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very nice 
lawsuit to file.

An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a clock 
and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by 
all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly 
wage.  That would make you non-exempt.

I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these 
jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the 
company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the 
department.


- Original Message - 
From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: After-hours work


> Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as 
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> - Pay based on 2 weeks
> - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
> any extra maint for 8 hours
> - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
> to use my PTO (vacation)
> - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> - 89 hours worked during the regular days
> - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family 
> emergency)
> - On call
> o My paycheck shows:
>  78 hours Regular Pay
>  16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>  2 hours deducted for PTO
>  No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a 
> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will 
> not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and 
> the County gets much more than they pay for.
>
> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I 
> have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>
> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have 
> a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one 
> leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. 
> My boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his 
> boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. 
> The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he 
> drinks with.
>
> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>
> This used to be fun but now it sucks. 


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~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[Steve Kelsay]

Sounds an awful lot like a "hostile work environment" to me. 

-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of 
whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation.

Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd 
be poison. I'd win and then what?

BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, 
which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a "Not a team player" mark. 
Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing 
with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks 
(including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). 
Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he 
didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on 
the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the 
supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much 
reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation 
for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My 
boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and 
pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered 
the highest technical employees.

I really don't think I am alone in this situation. 

-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

> This is totally up to my management.

Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very nice 
lawsuit to file.

An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a clock 
and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by 
all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly 
wage.  That would make you non-exempt.

I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these 
jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the 
company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the 
department.


- Original Message - 
From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: After-hours work


> Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as 
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> - Pay based on 2 weeks
> - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
> any extra maint for 8 hours
> - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
> to use my PTO (vacation)
> - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> - 89 hours worked during the regular days
> - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family 
> emergency)
> - On call
> o My paycheck shows:
>  78 hours Regular Pay
>  16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>  2 hours deducted for PTO
>  No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a 
> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will 
> not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and 
> the County gets much more than they pay for.
>
> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I 
> have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>
> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have 
> a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one 
> leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. 
> My boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his 
> boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. 
> The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he 
> drinks with.
>
> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>
> This used to be fun but now it sucks. 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Kim Longenbaugh]

Ah, them.  Yep, Glock's are good.

 



From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend
ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my
Glock.

- Original Message - 

From: Oliver Marshall   

To: NT System Admin Issues
  

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are
called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie
will knife you as soon as look at you.

 

 

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

What are "hoodies/chavs"?

 





From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[Kennedy, Jim]

No doubt that suing them while you are still employed there would be a bad 
idea. I wouldn't make a move on them until after I had moved on. Save the 
records, keep records...consider it a rainy day fund.



-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of 
whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation.

Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd 
be poison. I'd win and then what?

BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, 
which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a "Not a team player" mark. 
Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing 
with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks 
(including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). 
Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he 
didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on 
the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the 
supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much 
reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation 
for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My 
boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and 
pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered 
the highest technical employees.

I really don't think I am alone in this situation.

-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

> This is totally up to my management.

Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very nice
lawsuit to file.

An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a clock
and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by
all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly
wage.  That would make you non-exempt.

I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these
jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the
company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the
department.


- Original Message -
From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: After-hours work


> Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> - Pay based on 2 weeks
> - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and
> any extra maint for 8 hours
> - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced
> to use my PTO (vacation)
> - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> - 89 hours worked during the regular days
> - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family
> emergency)
> - On call
> o My paycheck shows:
>  78 hours Regular Pay
>  16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>  2 hours deducted for PTO
>  No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a
> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will
> not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and
> the County gets much more than they pay for.
>
> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I
> have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>
> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have
> a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one
> leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done.
> My boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his
> boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair.
> The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he
> drinks with.
>
> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>
> This used to be fun but now it sucks.


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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Sometimes I read the most redonkulous stuff on tech lists.

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Oliver Marshall
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife
> you as soon as look at you.


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RE: P2V and Partitions

[Jason Morris]

Good read Martin, thanks.

 

The only thing I'm lacking out of that article is what they configured
for the ISCSI frame sizes. Did they go jumbo or stay with 1500? I
couldn't find it in their tuning guide or this report. Last I read,
VMware didn't "support" jumbo frames on a software iscsi initiator so
that could be my answer.

Thanks again,

Jason

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Go logon to the NetApp site and download TR-3697 whitepaper.

It was just released last week. Co-authored by VMWare and Netapp, it
talks about the performance of the different protocols available (FC,
ISCSI, NFS). You might be surprised...

 

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 9:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Just regular application servers so far or SQL + Exchange? My plan is to
run the boot volumes on nfs and storage off iscsi for SQL/Exchange. But
we need to do them as RDM from the servers in order to get the i/o
performance. "supposedly"

 

My problem with using iscsi volumes is that netapp tells you to make the
flexvol 220% of the space you'll give to the iscsi luns. All that extra
space is for snapshots and stuff. L That much wasted space makes me a
sad panda.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

NFS

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Are you running from NFS volumes or iSCSI?

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

I'll have to play with that next time I decide to do a P2V.

 

PS, we do dedupe on NetApp as well and it saves a ton of space!

 

 

From: Jason Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

It does, and has. I do it all the time when going p2v.

 

From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

But will Windows see that expanded partition?

I think not IIRC. It may see the additional space, but won't just
dynamically resize.

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: P2V and Partitions

 

Roger,

1.   Each volume on the physical box is treated as a separate
volume(with a separate .vmdk file)in the VMWare environment.

2.   Yes, the wizard driven VMWare converter will allow volumes to
be shrunk or expanded during the P2V.

3.   No, see #2. 

 

Shook

 

From: Roger Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: P2V and Partitions

 

When taking a server P2V, how does the conversion handle the drives and
partitions?  

Is it possible to do any resizing during the conversion?  

Do VMs require the same disk space as physical machines?

   

Roger Wright

Network Administrator

Evatone, Inc.

727.572.7076  x388

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RE: After-hours work

[Ziots, Edward]

I will say this, 

You know these emails, can be monitored and looked at through Google, and if 
you are discussing how you are going to "stick it to the man" you think they be 
stupid enough not to look at your internet coorespondence and terminate you for 
cause before you could pull the trigger on the lawsuit, or gain more cannon 
fodder against them. 

Just playing devil advocate, something to think about, not saying either side 
is right or wrong since its nothing of my concern, but legally they might be 
able to hold your conversations on this forum and on your emails against you, 
and make your fight in court a lot less effective. 

Thanks
EZ

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Sounds an awful lot like a "hostile work environment" to me. 

-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of 
whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation.

Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd 
be poison. I'd win and then what?

BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, 
which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a "Not a team player" mark. 
Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing 
with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks 
(including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). 
Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he 
didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on 
the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the 
supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much 
reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation 
for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My 
boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and 
pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered 
the highest technical employees.

I really don't think I am alone in this situation. 

-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

> This is totally up to my management.

Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very nice 
lawsuit to file.

An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a clock 
and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by 
all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly 
wage.  That would make you non-exempt.

I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these 
jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the 
company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the 
department.


- Original Message - 
From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: After-hours work


> Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as 
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> - Pay based on 2 weeks
> - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
> any extra maint for 8 hours
> - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
> to use my PTO (vacation)
> - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> - 89 hours worked during the regular days
> - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family 
> emergency)
> - On call
> o My paycheck shows:
>  78 hours Regular Pay
>  16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>  2 hours deducted for PTO
>  No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a 
> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will 
> not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and 
> the County gets much more than they pay for.
>
> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I 
> have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>
> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have 
> a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one 
> leaves until the whatever he just promised in

RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Steve Kelsay]

A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie
between their knife and your Glock.  In case of a tie, you lose. Not a
good result.  And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases,
your are the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until
they are bad breath distance from you.

 

If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you.  (Extreme
Close Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course)

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Ah, them.  Yep, Glock's are good.

 



From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend
ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my
Glock.

- Original Message - 

From: Oliver Marshall   

To: NT System Admin Issues
  

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are
called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie
will knife you as soon as look at you.

 

 

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

What are "hoodies/chavs"?

 



From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[Ziots, Edward]

I gotta agree with that John, it is a double standard, they should be flexible 
especially if you salary, we have up to 4 hours off before we have to take time 
here, but never use it, and usually pushing 55-60hr weeks anyways with flex 
time. 

Z

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I love the trick where the employer give you nothing if you work an hour extra, 
but wants you to use leave if you take off an hour early.

Mine doesn't do that, but my wife's does (she's a salaried medical 
professional). I've been encouraging her to not tolerate it. Her boss doesn't 
see that it's a double standard, though.




-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Well, that's just another type of slavery. I'm sorry. That's horrible.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card:
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
   78 hours Regular Pay
   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
   2 hours deducted for PTO
   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-ca

Re: After-hours work

[Steven Peck]

Salaried

#1.  Rotating primary oncall, but expected to be available in case
primary needs help with your specialty.
No flex time/compensation, though they say they do in 'extraordinary
circumstances', those only seem involve a pet project and at least 21
days straight and I've not ever qualified as it is managers discretion
( you have to request it and be willing to carry that stigma with
management)

Expected to take Sick time for any appointments/time off between m-f
but if you've worked +40 counting sat/sun it doesn't matter.  You will
receive a warning if you neglect to take PTO during 'working hours'.
I have on occasion where I have been up till 3-4 am just emailed my
manager and said I will be staying home sleeping and call if there is
a fire.

For a while our patch and test rotation required almost every weekend
every 3rd month, in addition to other potential weekend work depending
on projects.  They are changing it so that it will be one weekend a
month every month rotated.  By weekend I mean Saturday and Sunday
(mitigating this is that it can be done remotely)

We have black berry's.

We have an unfilled open position or two because the people who manage
to find good jobs don't refer their friends.  I am on the testing
upgrade/looking around path myself.

Steven Peck


On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
> works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy,
> please indicate.
>
> 
> If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
> are you compensated?
>
> 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
> 2. Flat fee for being on-call.
> 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
> 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
> 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take
> a day off later in the week.
>
> Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
> beeper) so it's on my mind. :)
>
> -- Durf
>
> --
> --
> Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.
> Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks!
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: After-hours work

[Steven Peck]

Speaking of which, are you going to summarize the results and post back?

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Steven Peck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Salaried
>
> #1.  Rotating primary oncall, but expected to be available in case
> primary needs help with your specialty.
> No flex time/compensation, though they say they do in 'extraordinary
> circumstances', those only seem involve a pet project and at least 21
> days straight and I've not ever qualified as it is managers discretion
> ( you have to request it and be willing to carry that stigma with
> management)
>
> Expected to take Sick time for any appointments/time off between m-f
> but if you've worked +40 counting sat/sun it doesn't matter.  You will
> receive a warning if you neglect to take PTO during 'working hours'.
> I have on occasion where I have been up till 3-4 am just emailed my
> manager and said I will be staying home sleeping and call if there is
> a fire.
>
> For a while our patch and test rotation required almost every weekend
> every 3rd month, in addition to other potential weekend work depending
> on projects.  They are changing it so that it will be one weekend a
> month every month rotated.  By weekend I mean Saturday and Sunday
> (mitigating this is that it can be done remotely)
>
> We have black berry's.
>
> We have an unfilled open position or two because the people who manage
> to find good jobs don't refer their friends.  I am on the testing
> upgrade/looking around path myself.
>
> Steven Peck
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:07 AM, Durf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
>> works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT guy,
>> please indicate.
>>
>> 
>> If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
>> are you compensated?
>>
>> 1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
>> 2. Flat fee for being on-call.
>> 3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
>> 4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
>> 5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day / take
>> a day off later in the week.
>>
>> Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
>> beeper) so it's on my mind. :)
>>
>> -- Durf
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day.
>> Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Proliant Softpaqs

[Joseph L. Casale]

What do you guys do for new SS cd installs?

I was told by an HP support tech that you need to uninstall everything, which 
may take multiple reboots, then install the new one fresh?

Is what you all do?

jlc

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[James Kerr]

I can shoot from the hip!! 


Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor. Though, 
if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Steve Kelsay 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM
  Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?


  A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie between 
their knife and your Glock.  In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good result.  
And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are the 
ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad breath 
distance from you.

   

  If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you.  (Extreme Close 
Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course)

   

  From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

   

  Ah, them.  Yep, Glock's are good.

   


--

  From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

   

  They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend ourselves 
in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my Glock.

- Original Message - 

From: Oliver Marshall 

To: NT System Admin Issues 

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called 
Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife 
you as soon as look at you.

 

 

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

What are "hoodies/chavs"?

 




From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

 

  

 

  

 

  

   

  

   

 




 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[Nikki Peterson - OETX]

I have stated nothing but fact. No, they would fire me for using the system 
during work hours. However, I have completed several tasks while keeping up on 
this thread.

Of course, I am the keeper of the Journal system, IM system, and the Exchange 
System. I am the one they would need to pull the information to "get me". I am 
not so foolish as to assume it can't be done, but...

Nikki

-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I will say this, 

You know these emails, can be monitored and looked at through Google, and if 
you are discussing how you are going to "stick it to the man" you think they be 
stupid enough not to look at your internet coorespondence and terminate you for 
cause before you could pull the trigger on the lawsuit, or gain more cannon 
fodder against them. 

Just playing devil advocate, something to think about, not saying either side 
is right or wrong since its nothing of my concern, but legally they might be 
able to hold your conversations on this forum and on your emails against you, 
and make your fight in court a lot less effective. 

Thanks
EZ

Edward E. Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP,Security+,Network+,CCA
Phone: 401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Steve Kelsay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Sounds an awful lot like a "hostile work environment" to me. 

-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

They keep their own records (see example of paycheck). I have spoken with HR of 
whom ALL agree, the rules are subject to Management interpretation.

Yes, I have a valid suit. What a pain-in-the-butt. If I were to bring suit, I'd 
be poison. I'd win and then what?

BTW, my boss found out I talked with HR and the next time I got my review, 
which has been outstanding for 10 years, I received a "Not a team player" mark. 
Why? I was asked to help in a problem that another tech spent a month screwing 
with, the client was getting ansy, I stepped in solved it in two weeks 
(including having a patch written by MS for the solution within 4 weeks). 
Apparently when I sent the information to the tech that couldn't solve it, he 
didn't understand it. He complained that I was too technical. He is higher on 
the totem pole than myself, and I sent him a synopsis accompanied by all the 
supporting links to articles that led up to the solution. It was too much 
reading for him. Here I was thinking that he would appreciate an explanation 
for future understanding. Did I mention, he is my boss's drinking buddy? My 
boss literally wrote on my review that I was too technical. I objected and 
pointed out that we are the highest IT department and my peers are considered 
the highest technical employees.

I really don't think I am alone in this situation. 

-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

> This is totally up to my management.

Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very nice 
lawsuit to file.

An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a clock 
and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job, then by 
all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid an hourly 
wage.  That would make you non-exempt.

I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these 
jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the 
company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the 
department.


- Original Message - 
From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
Subject: RE: After-hours work


> Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as 
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> - Pay based on 2 weeks
> - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
> any extra maint for 8 hours
> - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
> to use my PTO (vacation)
> - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> - 89 hours worked during the regular days
> - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family 
> emergency)
> - On call
> o My paycheck shows:
>  78 hours Regular Pay
>  16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>  2 hours deducted for PTO
>  No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the

Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Jonathan Link]

You're a daisy if you do.

On 8/18/08, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I can shoot from the hip!!
>
>
> Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor.
> Though, if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Steve Kelsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
>  *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM
> *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie
> between their knife and your Glock.  In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good
> result.  And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are
> the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad
> breath distance from you.
>
>
>
> If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you.  (Extreme Close
> Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course)
>
>
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> Ah, them.  Yep, Glock's are good.
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend
> ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my
> Glock.
>
>  - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Oliver Marshall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM
>
> *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called
> Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife
> you as soon as look at you.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* 18 August 2008 18:00
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
> What are "hoodies/chavs"?
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: After-hours work

[John Hornbuckle]

Note item 1, and the "computer-employee exemption."




-Original Message-
From: Jim McAtee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: After-hours work

More:

http://www.workforce.com/section/03/feature/24/50/34/index.html


- Original Message -
From: "Jim McAtee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: After-hours work


>> This is totally up to my management.
>
> Legally, it's not.  Keep very detailed records.  You may have a very
> nice lawsuit to file.
>
> An exempt employee is not paid an hourly wage.  If you're punching a
> clock and being docked on an hourly basis for time away from the job,
> then by all practical (and I'd bet, legal, purposes) you're being paid
> an hourly wage.  That would make you non-exempt.
>
> I'd speek to a good labor attorney.  You may be able to cash in on these
> jackasses.  You might even get that boss fired if it ends up costing the
> company tens of thousands for yourself and everyone else in the
> department.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nikki Peterson - OETX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:41 AM
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
>
>> Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as
>> understood by my manager is as follows:
>> - Pay based on 2 weeks
>> - 1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
>> - 2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and
>> any extra maint for 8 hours
>> - On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
>> - If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced
>> to use my PTO (vacation)
>> - FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr.
>> note.
>>
>> Example of my time card:
>> - 89 hours worked during the regular days
>> - 5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
>> - 2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family
>> emergency)
>> - On call
>> o My paycheck shows:
>>  78 hours Regular Pay
>>  16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>>  2 hours deducted for PTO
>>  No mention of on call
>>
>> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a
>> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he
>> will not reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and
>> long and the County gets much more than they pay for.
>>
>> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer.
>> I have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>>
>> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have
>> a boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No
>> one leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is
>> done. My boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing
>> of his boss, but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to
>> be fair. The biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one
>> fellow he drinks with.
>>
>> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>>
>> This used to be fun but now it sucks.
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Default browsers

[RichardMcClary]

Greetings!  We're pretty much a Firefox shop here...

On one machine, MSUpdates has installed IE7 recently.

Friday, I upgraded Firefox to 3.0.1.

IE7 claims it is NOT the default browser.  Firefox claims that it is the 
default.  However, clicking on an HTML link opens it in IE.  Is there a 
registry hack to go look at?

Thanks!
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
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RE: After-hours work

[Jacob]

And when there is a labor dispute, the head of the union will tell it's members 
to participate in a mass resignation campaign to show up the employer.

Hmm... baseball umpires of 1999? ;-)

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

+1 on the floor mat comment.

What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues...

Dave Lum


-Original Message-
From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

" I think it is time for IT based Unions..."

That, or you find a new job

Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat

-Original Message-
From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

Currently I am classified as “Exempt”. Description of “Exempt” as understood by 
my manager is as follows:
-   Pay based on 2 weeks
-   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
-   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers and 
any extra maint for 8 hours
-   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
-   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am forced 
to use my PTO (vacation)
-   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr. note.

Example of my time card:
-   89 hours worked during the regular days
-   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
-   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family emergency)
-   On call
o   My paycheck shows:
   78 hours Regular Pay
   16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
   2 hours deducted for PTO
   No mention of on call

This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a great 
boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not reflect 
it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the County gets 
much more than they pay for.

We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I have 
been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.

Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a boss 
that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that “No one leaves until 
the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My boss is a 
self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss, but then 
insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The biggest problem is 
that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks with.

I think it is time for IT based Unions...

This used to be fun but now it sucks.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: After-hours work

I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
time and half.

Mike

Original Message:
-
From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: After-hours work


For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.

As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
when a message comes in.

At my last day job it was #1.

Dave

From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: After-hours work

Hey all,

Taking a little informal poll about compensation for after hours / weekend
works.  This is mostly geared at consultants, so if you're an onsite IT
guy, please indicate.


If you work after-hours on-call, or are expected to carry the beeper, how
are you compensated?

1. None, just man up and be an IT cowboy and glad you have a job.
2. Flat fee for being on-call.
3. Overtime or time-and-a-half bonus for hours actually worked.
4. Straight hourly at my normal rate
5. Flex time - no extra compentation, but I come in late the next day /
take a day off later in the week.

Thanks all.   Yes, I'm on the beeper this weekend (OK, there's no actual
beeper) so it's on my mind. :)

-- Durf

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Give a fish a man, and he'll eat for weeks

Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Awesome quote!  Love that movie/character!

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Jonathan Link <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're a daisy if you do.
>
> On 8/18/08, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> I can shoot from the hip!!
>>
>>
>> Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor.
>> Though, if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Steve Kelsay
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM
>> Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>>
>>
>> A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be a tie
>> between their knife and your Glock.  In case of a tie, you lose. Not a good
>> result.  And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most cases, your are
>> the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim until they are bad
>> breath distance from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you.  (Extreme Close
>> Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons course)
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ah, them.  Yep, Glock's are good.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
>>
>>
>>
>> They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can defend
>> ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match for my
>> Glock.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>
>> From: Oliver Marshall
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear them are called
>> Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing a hoodie will knife
>> you as soon as look at you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?
>>
>>
>>
>> What are "hoodies/chavs"?
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?
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Re: After-hours work

[Durf]

A big part of the IT geek mythos is the Randian attitude that "I am the
architect of my destiny, nothing but my own skills and knowledge got me
here, this makes me superior to normal men and the captain of my fate etc
etc".  I saw a ton of this during the 90's.  A lot of my friends who jumped
from job to job during the boom suffered mightily in the bust.

Unions have their place and purposes.  If we wind up in a huge depression in
the next few years, it'll be interesting to see if the above IT person
attitude changes.

-- Durf

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Jacob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> And when there is a labor dispute, the head of the union will tell it's
> members to participate in a mass resignation campaign to show up the
> employer.
>
> Hmm... baseball umpires of 1999? ;-)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:39 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> +1 on the floor mat comment.
>
> What does a union get me? Oh yeah, union dues...
>
> Dave Lum
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> " I think it is time for IT based Unions..."
>
> That, or you find a new job
>
> Remember, you have to lie down to be a door mat
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nikki Peterson - OETX [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> Currently I am classified as "Exempt". Description of "Exempt" as
> understood by my manager is as follows:
> -   Pay based on 2 weeks
> -   1 week every month I am on-call 24/7
> -   2nd Saturday after Patch Tuesday, I am here to patch our servers
> and any extra maint for 8 hours
> -   On average, I work at least a 1 over every day.
> -   If I have a Dr. appointment or need to leave a bit early, I am
> forced to use my PTO (vacation)
> -   FMLA (sick time) only if I am sick for 3+ days, and I need a Dr.
> note.
>
> Example of my time card:
> -   89 hours worked during the regular days
> -   5 hours worked for Patching/Maint Saturday
> -   2 hours PTO charged against me (had to leave early for family
> emergency)
> -   On call
> o   My paycheck shows:
>    78 hours Regular Pay
>    16 hours No-Pay (these are the extra stuff)
>    2 hours deducted for PTO
>    No mention of on call
>
> This is totally up to my management. Some of the guys in Telecom have a
> great boss, he lets them leave early if an emergency happens and he will not
> reflect it on their time cards. He knows they work hard and long and the
> County gets much more than they pay for.
>
> We are 4 positions down and unable to fill them at the price we offer. I
> have been doing 2 desks now for the last year and a half.
>
> Instead of receiving praise for keeping up and hanging in there. I have a
> boss that comes in from a meeting, announcing to everyone that "No one
> leaves until the whatever he just promised in his last meeting is done. My
> boss is a self-serving  jerk. He takes time with the blessing of his boss,
> but then insists that he must follow the rules for us to be fair. The
> biggest problem is that he will give a break to the one fellow he drinks
> with.
>
> I think it is time for IT based Unions...
>
> This used to be fun but now it sucks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 6:30 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
> I think it all depends. I am well compensated and don't mind doing on call
> rotation. Fortunately we don't get to many calls in the evenings and
> weekends. When I worked for a consulting company after 5 and weekends was
> time and half.
>
> Mike
>
> Original Message:
> -
> From: David Lum [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:04:55 -0700
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Subject: RE: After-hours work
>
>
> For my full-time day gig, we (err, they) get compensated ~$200 for the week
> they carry the pager. It's not quite #2 because you do get more pay if your
> on-call time includes a holiday, for example. It is a very fair system IMO.
>
> As a consultant I include monitoring as part of my support, but there's no
> additional fee unless I need to go onsite at which time I charge 150% of my
> normal onsite rate - in my contracts it's "Emergency onsite support". None
> of my clients require 24x7 so I am never woke up by the monitoring systems.
> Alerting consists of text messages going to my phone which does not beep
> when a message comes in.
>
> At my last day job it was #1.
>
> Dave
>
> From: Durf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 8:07 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: After-hours work
>

RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

[Steve Kelsay]

Please do.  I can reserve the Qualification bay and bring some weapons.
You supply the coffee.

 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 15:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

You're a daisy if you do.

On 8/18/08, James Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

I can shoot from the hip!! 

 

 

Full disclosure: I am competitive shooter of the USPSA and IDPA flavor.
Though, if I am ever in SC maybe I will have to look you up.

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Steve Kelsay   

To: NT System Admin Issues
  

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 3:06 PM

Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?


 

A common mistake. If they are within 21 feet of you, it will be
a tie between their knife and your Glock.  In case of a tie, you lose.
Not a good result.  And that is if you are ready for an attack. In most
cases, your are the ambushee, and do not know you that you are a victim
until they are bad breath distance from you.

 

If you are ever in SC, Come take my course. I'll show you.
(Extreme Close Quarters Gunfighting, and the SC SLED Concealable weapons
course)

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 14:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Ah, them.  Yep, Glock's are good.

 



From: James Kerr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

They are called hood rats here. We have them too but we can
defend ourselves in the US, (well most states). Their knife is no match
for my Glock.

- Original Message - 

From: Oliver Marshall
  

To: NT System Admin Issues
  

Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:11 PM

Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

Hoodies relate to hooded sweatshirts. Those that wear
them are called Hoodies. The general stereo-type is that someone wearing
a hoodie will knife you as soon as look at you.

 

 

 

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 18 August 2008 18:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

What are "hoodies/chavs"?

 



From: James Rankin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 10:42 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, Why Do We Do It?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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