Re: Dang

[Kurt Buff]

Ah.

I told google to never send anything from Sunbelt to spam. It's made
too many mistakes.

Kurt

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 19:16, Sherry Abercrombie  wrote:
> Never mind.  Just looked in my spam folder in gmail and saw the message.
> Good job Google ;)
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Sherry Abercrombie 
> wrote:
>>
>> HUH?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>>>
>>> That's the second spam I've seen on this list in a very short time
>>>
>>> Any idea what's going on?
>>>
>>> I really don't want an iPhone, I must say...
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sherry Abercrombie
>>
>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
>> Arthur C. Clarke
>> Sent from Hurst, TX, United States
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sherry Abercrombie
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> Arthur C. Clarke
> Sent from Hurst, TX, United States
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Dang

[Richard Stovall]

Ahh.  I checked the Lyris server at Sunbelt and saw the message in question.
 It showed up in my junk folder and I never realized it 'came from'
NTSysadmin.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:

> HUH?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> That's the second spam I've seen on this list in a very short time
>>
>> Any idea what's going on?
>>
>> I really don't want an iPhone, I must say...
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sherry Abercrombie
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> Arthur C. Clarke
> Sent from Hurst, TX, United States
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Dang

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Never mind.  Just looked in my spam folder in gmail and saw the message.
Good job Google ;)

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:

> HUH?
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> That's the second spam I've seen on this list in a very short time
>>
>> Any idea what's going on?
>>
>> I really don't want an iPhone, I must say...
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sherry Abercrombie
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> Arthur C. Clarke
> Sent from Hurst, TX, United States
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Hurst, TX, United States

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Dang

[Richard Stovall]

What she said...


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:

> HUH?
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
>> That's the second spam I've seen on this list in a very short time
>>
>> Any idea what's going on?
>>
>> I really don't want an iPhone, I must say...
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sherry Abercrombie
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> Arthur C. Clarke
> Sent from Hurst, TX, United States
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Dang

[Sherry Abercrombie]

HUH?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> That's the second spam I've seen on this list in a very short time
>
> Any idea what's going on?
>
> I really don't want an iPhone, I must say...
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>



-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Hurst, TX, United States

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Dang

[John Cook]

And just in time for Christmas!

- Original Message -
From: Kurt Buff 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thu Jan 21 22:09:12 2010
Subject: Dang

That's the second spam I've seen on this list in a very short time

Any idea what's going on?

I really don't want an iPhone, I must say...

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Dang

[Kurt Buff]

That's the second spam I've seen on this list in a very short time

Any idea what's going on?

I really don't want an iPhone, I must say...

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~   ~

RE

[Bill MacKenzie]

hey, how are you ? Just received my iphone 3gs 32gb from this website. 
www.reovlele.com , much cheaper than others and genuine ,. if you would like to 
get one,you can check it out, Hope you have a Merry Christmas. Regards, 
   
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Re: Windows 7 Search Indexer

[Richard Stovall]

Wild, crazy shot in the dark...

Is Outlook not running in cached mode?

Just a thought because two of my favorite things about 7 are how well it
indexes my Outlook mailbox and how unobtrusive the process is.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Bob Fronk  wrote:

>  Seems to have something to do with Outlook.  If I close Outlook, indexer
> calms down.
>
>
>
> *From:* Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:18 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Windows 7 Search Indexer
>
>
>
> I have two an running Windows 7 at home and work and do not see that issue
> on either one.
>
>
>   --
>
> *From:* Bob Fronk [...@btrfronk.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:00 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Windows 7 Search Indexer
>
> I have two Windows 7 laptops (work / home).  On each of them the search
> indexer runs a constant 5-15% CPU.  Enough to keep the cooling fans on
> constantly.  Sometimes I will notice slow IE browsing or program opening.
>
>
>
> Of course, I can disable the search service, and the issue goes away, but
> then I lose the search feature, which is handy from time to time.
>
>
>
> Anyone else seeing similar?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: net flow analyser

[Andrew S. Baker]

http://www.actionpacked.com/freeflow

This tool is well worth it.  I saw a presentation of it just today.

*ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) 
*Providing Competitive Advantage through Effective IT Leadership*



On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Laurence Childs <
laurence.chi...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> i have a customer where we are having trouble looking in to link stats on
> their LES circuit
>
> we have a Cisco router joining the 2 sites together and i want to look at
> the stats from that
>
> do you know of a good NetFlow analyser package that is free?
>
> thanks
>
> Laurence
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Windows 7 Search Indexer

[David L Herrick]

Remove outlook from being indexed?

 

From: Bob Fronk [mailto:b...@btrfronk.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Windows 7 Search Indexer

 

Seems to have something to do with Outlook.  If I close Outlook, indexer
calms down.

 

From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Windows 7 Search Indexer

 

I have two an running Windows 7 at home and work and do not see that
issue on either one.

 



From: Bob Fronk [...@btrfronk.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Windows 7 Search Indexer

I have two Windows 7 laptops (work / home).  On each of them the search
indexer runs a constant 5-15% CPU.  Enough to keep the cooling fans on
constantly.  Sometimes I will notice slow IE browsing or program
opening.

 

Of course, I can disable the search service, and the issue goes away,
but then I lose the search feature, which is handy from time to time.

 

Anyone else seeing similar?

 

 

 

 

 

 



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RE: Reality check

[Erik Goldoff]

All too prevalant I'm afraid...  I've seen a supply chain system that uses
Oracle as it's database engine, but COBOL for its logic with similar
requirements.  The command interface was actually a character mode
application and required that the supply chain team have server console
login access ...
 
They *should* follow the design of having the internal system bits run as a
service upon boot before any keyboard login,  and then have a client
interface ( Web/Java, MMC, etc ) deployed to the desktop that connects over
the network back to the server bits...
 
Misery doesn't really love company, but you're not alone in this experience
!
 

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IT  Consultant

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  _  

From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Reality check


I have myself used that software in the past for that purpose.  Because of
the way this software works (counters, cancel buttons, dialogs when there is
a problem, etc), I don't think it would work.  Beyond that, this vendor does
a lot of "hands on" support, and they would never be able to handle it.  So,
if there were a problem at 3:00 AM on Saturday and the system administrator
contacted their support, they would take one look and immediately blame our
environment.  I do believe that is a good recommendation in general, though.
 
Bill Mayo

  _  

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Reality check


First, I agree with everyone else. Software in today's world shouldn't have
that type of dependency. Unfortunately,current versions of today's software
probably haven't changed much if they were originally developed many years
ago.
 
With that said, have you investigated the possibility of using the resource
kit tools (srvany.exe and instrsrv.exe) to run this particular application
as a service? I've been able to eliminate your exact scenario on a few
servers over the years, but I've also run into many scenarios where it just
wouldn't work. In either case, it may be worth a shot.
 
- Sean

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:


Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the decision
about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a different
vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can tell.

I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so the
only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that
administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been hearing
about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of some
issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).

The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the
workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech about it.
At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and that they
were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess that didn't
happen.

Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult (at
least in this case!).

Bill Mayo


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Reality check

As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they want,
which means not fixing the problem.

Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor?

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life
Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003


-Original Message-
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Reality check

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T 

RE: Reality check

[Bob Fronk]

We also have a program that has to be logged in to run.  Not only does it need 
to have a user logged in, it won't auto-start. I have it in "start-up" but it 
still takes manual intervention.  It is maddening.

-Original Message-
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Reality check

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Windows 7 Search Indexer

[Bob Fronk]

Seems to have something to do with Outlook.  If I close Outlook, indexer calms 
down.

From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Windows 7 Search Indexer

I have two an running Windows 7 at home and work and do not see that issue on 
either one.


From: Bob Fronk [...@btrfronk.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Windows 7 Search Indexer
I have two Windows 7 laptops (work / home).  On each of them the search indexer 
runs a constant 5-15% CPU.  Enough to keep the cooling fans on constantly.  
Sometimes I will notice slow IE browsing or program opening.

Of course, I can disable the search service, and the issue goes away, but then 
I lose the search feature, which is handy from time to time.

Anyone else seeing similar?









~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Reality check

[Jon Harris]

BTW just because I did not say it before I know this is not possible or
practical but it sure would be nice.

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

>  First I have never run into this where is was not some Win 9x type of
> garbage that got ported to a new OS and sold as new.  That said and
> understood I personally think it would be very interesting to have a list of
> these vendors and the products publicly posted where those companies that
> are complaining about this attitude can see if it is true or not that no one
> else is upset about this.  It would of course need a way to make sure that
> the companies that do complain are protected from reprisals in some manner
> and that the companies being complained about are getting real complaints
> not just from a few using the ability to mask their identity.  I did run
> into a case where a vendor told me no one else in the company had complained
> about an issue only to later find out that most of the people working with
> the product in the company had complained about it.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sean Martin wrote:
>
>> First, I agree with everyone else. Software in today's world shouldn't
>> have that type of dependency. Unfortunately,current versions of today's
>> software probably haven't changed much if they were originally developed
>> many years ago.
>>
>> With that said, have you investigated the possibility of using the
>> resource kit tools (srvany.exe and instrsrv.exe) to run this particular
>> application as a service? I've been able to eliminate your exact scenario on
>> a few servers over the years, but I've also run into many scenarios where it
>> just wouldn't work. In either case, it may be worth a shot.
>>
>> - Sean
>>   On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Mayo, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the decision
>>> about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a different
>>> vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can tell.
>>>
>>> I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so the
>>> only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that
>>> administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been hearing
>>> about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of some
>>> issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).
>>>
>>> The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the
>>> workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech about it.
>>> At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and that they
>>> were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess that didn't
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult (at
>>> least in this case!).
>>>
>>> Bill Mayo
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: Reality check
>>>
>>> As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they want,
>>> which means not fixing the problem.
>>>
>>> Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor?
>>>
>>> Chris Bodnar, MCSE
>>> Sr. Systems Engineer
>>> Infrastructure Service Delivery
>>> Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life
>>> Insurance Company of America
>>> Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
>>> Phone: 610-807-6459
>>> Fax: 610-807-6003
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Reality check
>>>
>>> I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
>>> add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
>>> confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
>>> requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
>>> running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
>>> clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
>>> this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
>>> server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
>>> thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
>>> running).
>>>
>>> This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
>>> company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
>>> they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
>>> account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
>>> workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?
>>>
>>> Bill Mayo
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>>>   ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that 

RE: Reality check

[Mayo, Bill]

I have myself used that software in the past for that purpose.  Because
of the way this software works (counters, cancel buttons, dialogs when
there is a problem, etc), I don't think it would work.  Beyond that,
this vendor does a lot of "hands on" support, and they would never be
able to handle it.  So, if there were a problem at 3:00 AM on Saturday
and the system administrator contacted their support, they would take
one look and immediately blame our environment.  I do believe that is a
good recommendation in general, though.
 
Bill Mayo



From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Reality check


First, I agree with everyone else. Software in today's world shouldn't
have that type of dependency. Unfortunately,current versions of today's
software probably haven't changed much if they were originally developed
many years ago.
 
With that said, have you investigated the possibility of using the
resource kit tools (srvany.exe and instrsrv.exe) to run this particular
application as a service? I've been able to eliminate your exact
scenario on a few servers over the years, but I've also run into many
scenarios where it just wouldn't work. In either case, it may be worth a
shot.
 
- Sean

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Mayo, Bill 
wrote:


Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the
decision
about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a
different
vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can
tell.

I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so
the
only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that
administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been
hearing
about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of
some
issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).

The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the
workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech
about it.
At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and
that they
were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess
that didn't
happen.

Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult
(at
least in this case!).

Bill Mayo


-Original Message-
From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Reality check

As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever
they want,
which means not fixing the problem.

Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor?

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian
Life
Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003


-Original Message-
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Reality check

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is
on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I
want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already
has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different
programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between
modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all
times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a
new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the
same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the
parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say
"services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing
an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.
(The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog!
~ ~
  ~




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This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information
that is
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law.  

Re: Reality check

[Jon Harris]

First I have never run into this where is was not some Win 9x type of
garbage that got ported to a new OS and sold as new.  That said and
understood I personally think it would be very interesting to have a list of
these vendors and the products publicly posted where those companies that
are complaining about this attitude can see if it is true or not that no one
else is upset about this.  It would of course need a way to make sure that
the companies that do complain are protected from reprisals in some manner
and that the companies being complained about are getting real complaints
not just from a few using the ability to mask their identity.  I did run
into a case where a vendor told me no one else in the company had complained
about an issue only to later find out that most of the people working with
the product in the company had complained about it.

Jon




On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Sean Martin  wrote:

> First, I agree with everyone else. Software in today's world shouldn't have
> that type of dependency. Unfortunately,current versions of today's software
> probably haven't changed much if they were originally developed many years
> ago.
>
> With that said, have you investigated the possibility of using the resource
> kit tools (srvany.exe and instrsrv.exe) to run this particular application
> as a service? I've been able to eliminate your exact scenario on a few
> servers over the years, but I've also run into many scenarios where it just
> wouldn't work. In either case, it may be worth a shot.
>
> - Sean
>   On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Mayo, Bill wrote:
>
>> Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the decision
>> about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a different
>> vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can tell.
>>
>> I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so the
>> only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that
>> administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been hearing
>> about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of some
>> issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).
>>
>> The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the
>> workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech about it.
>> At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and that they
>> were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess that didn't
>> happen.
>>
>> Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult (at
>> least in this case!).
>>
>> Bill Mayo
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Reality check
>>
>> As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they want,
>> which means not fixing the problem.
>>
>> Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor?
>>
>> Chris Bodnar, MCSE
>> Sr. Systems Engineer
>> Infrastructure Service Delivery
>> Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life
>> Insurance Company of America
>> Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
>> Phone: 610-807-6459
>> Fax: 610-807-6003
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Reality check
>>
>> I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
>> add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
>> confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
>> requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
>> running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
>> clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
>> this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
>> server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
>> thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
>> running).
>>
>> This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
>> company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
>> they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
>> account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
>> workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?
>>
>> Bill Mayo
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>>   ~
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is
>> privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable
>> law.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you
>> are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or
>> communication of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have

RE: Reality check

[Mayo, Bill]

Alas, I don't have that much power.  And we have previously been down the road 
where this department ran their own network--not a good thing.  I have taken 
some measures to minimize the risk, but beyond that and documenting/reporting 
the possible issues and concerns, not much else I can do. 

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Reality check

Perhaps you can take the tack that your department owns the network, and that 
you won't have such an insecure setup on your network - they can run the 
software on the server they manage themselves, as long as it doesn't connect to 
the production network.

I doubt it, but...

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 14:02, Mayo, Bill  wrote:
> Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the decision 
> about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a 
> different vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can tell.
>
> I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so the 
> only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that 
> administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been hearing 
> about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of some 
> issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).
>
> The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the 
> workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech about it.
> At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and that they 
> were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess that 
> didn't happen.
>
> Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult (at 
> least in this case!).
>
> Bill Mayo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Reality check
>
> As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they 
> want, which means not fixing the problem.
>
> Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor?
>
> Chris Bodnar, MCSE
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> Infrastructure Service Delivery
> Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life 
> Insurance Company of America
> Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
> Phone: 610-807-6459
> Fax: 610-807-6003
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Reality check
>
> I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to 
> add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want 
> to confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has 
> the requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different 
> programs running in the foreground to shuffle data around between 
> modules.  To be clear, an account has to be logged into this machine 
> at all times for this system to work properly.  They are here now, 
> installing a new server for a new module, and they now have to have it 
> doing the same thing on the server (logged on account, foreground 
> applications running).
>
> This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent 
> company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
> they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an 
> account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The 
> workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?
>
> Bill Mayo
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
>
>
> -
> This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that 
> is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under 
> applicable law.  If the reader of this message is not the intended 
> recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, 
> copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited.  If 
> you have received this message in error, please notify the sender 
> immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments.  
> Thank you.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Exchange 2K7 Q

[Brian Desmond]

I've never had much luck with the UI. The PowerShell syntax is intuitive though:

Get-MessageTrackingLog -Server  -Sender 
f...@domain.com -Recipients 
david@nwea.org -Start "01/21/10"

Tweak as appropriate

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2K7 Q

That's what I thought, but I'm not seeing any meeting requests. There's a 
meeting request in my inbox and I do not see it listed in the message tracking 
center...

From: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2K7 Q

Use the message tracking tool.  They are just messages as such.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2010 8:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2K7 Q

Is there any tracking in Exchange 2007 where you can see meeting 
requests/responses/deletions? Surely some log files or something?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764














~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Exchange 2K7 Q

[David Lum]

That's what I thought, but I'm not seeing any meeting requests. There's a 
meeting request in my inbox and I do not see it listed in the message tracking 
center...

From: James Hill [mailto:james.h...@superamart.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2K7 Q

Use the message tracking tool.  They are just messages as such.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2010 8:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2K7 Q

Is there any tracking in Exchange 2007 where you can see meeting 
requests/responses/deletions? Surely some log files or something?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764










~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Exchange 2K7 Q

[James Hill]

Use the message tracking tool.  They are just messages as such.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, 22 January 2010 8:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2K7 Q

Is there any tracking in Exchange 2007 where you can see meeting 
requests/responses/deletions? Surely some log files or something?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Exchange 2K7 Q

[David Lum]

Is there any tracking in Exchange 2007 where you can see meeting 
requests/responses/deletions? Surely some log files or something?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Reality check

[Sean Martin]

First, I agree with everyone else. Software in today's world shouldn't have
that type of dependency. Unfortunately,current versions of today's software
probably haven't changed much if they were originally developed many years
ago.

With that said, have you investigated the possibility of using the resource
kit tools (srvany.exe and instrsrv.exe) to run this particular application
as a service? I've been able to eliminate your exact scenario on a few
servers over the years, but I've also run into many scenarios where it just
wouldn't work. In either case, it may be worth a shot.

- Sean
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Mayo, Bill  wrote:

> Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the decision
> about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a different
> vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can tell.
>
> I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so the
> only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that
> administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been hearing
> about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of some
> issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).
>
> The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the
> workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech about it.
> At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and that they
> were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess that didn't
> happen.
>
> Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult (at
> least in this case!).
>
> Bill Mayo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Reality check
>
> As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they want,
> which means not fixing the problem.
>
> Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor?
>
> Chris Bodnar, MCSE
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> Infrastructure Service Delivery
> Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life
> Insurance Company of America
> Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
> Phone: 610-807-6459
> Fax: 610-807-6003
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Reality check
>
> I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
> add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
> confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
> requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
> running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
> clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
> this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
> server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
> thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
> running).
>
> This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
> company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
> they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
> account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
> workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?
>
> Bill Mayo
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
>
>
>
> -
> This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is
> privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable
> law.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you
> are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or
> communication of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have
> received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by
> return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments.  Thank you.
>
>  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Exchange list?

[Michael B. Smith]

Did you subscribe online or via email?

Do it online! :-P

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

I have yet to see my confirmation/subscription...

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

It's quite active, but I submitted a complaint about my reply messages not 
showing up so they may have taken it temporarily offline to investigate. At 
least, I hope that's it.

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

Is the Exchange list very active? Heck I haven't even seen my confirmation yet. 
Eh, been but 5 hours, maybe tomorrow it'll show.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

When did THAT happen? Hmph. No-one told me.

From: Greg Olson [mailto:gol...@markettools.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

David,
I think the list your thinking about which shut down around that time has moved 
to a forum style here:
http://forums.slipstick.com/index.php

At least that's we're a lot of the guys moved over to. The Sunbelt one and the 
Yahoo Exchange 2003 group are good resources as well. 



From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

Nope, still there !!


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange list?
Is there a Exchange list/ I swear I was subscribed to one and it used to be as 
busy as that one, but that last post I see from 11/24. Did it move to a forum 
or something?

I have some Outlook / Exchange issue that are a high priority (my exec's are 
involved, time for me to pay attention..) David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

 
 
... 
 
 
 
 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Reality check

[Kurt Buff]

Perhaps you can take the tack that your department owns the network,
and that you won't have such an insecure setup on your network - they
can run the software on the server they manage themselves, as long as
it doesn't connect to the production network.

I doubt it, but...

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 14:02, Mayo, Bill  wrote:
> Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the decision
> about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a different
> vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can tell.
>
> I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so the
> only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that
> administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been hearing
> about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of some
> issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).
>
> The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the
> workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech about it.
> At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and that they
> were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess that didn't
> happen.
>
> Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult (at
> least in this case!).
>
> Bill Mayo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Reality check
>
> As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they want,
> which means not fixing the problem.
>
> Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor?
>
> Chris Bodnar, MCSE
> Sr. Systems Engineer
> Infrastructure Service Delivery
> Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life
> Insurance Company of America
> Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
> Phone: 610-807-6459
> Fax: 610-807-6003
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Reality check
>
> I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
> add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
> confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
> requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
> running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
> clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
> this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
> server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
> thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
> running).
>
> This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
> company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
> they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
> account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
> workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?
>
> Bill Mayo
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
>
>
>
> -
> This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is
> privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable
> law.  If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you
> are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or
> communication of this message is strictly prohibited.  If you have
> received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by
> return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments.  Thank you.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Exchange list?

[David Lum]

I have yet to see my confirmation/subscription...

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

It's quite active, but I submitted a complaint about my reply messages not 
showing up so they may have taken it temporarily offline to investigate. At 
least, I hope that's it.

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

Is the Exchange list very active? Heck I haven't even seen my confirmation yet. 
Eh, been but 5 hours, maybe tomorrow it'll show.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

When did THAT happen? Hmph. No-one told me.

From: Greg Olson [mailto:gol...@markettools.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

David,
I think the list your thinking about which shut down around that time has moved 
to a forum style here:
http://forums.slipstick.com/index.php

At least that's we're a lot of the guys moved over to. The Sunbelt one and the 
Yahoo Exchange 2003 group are good resources as well. 



From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 1:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange list?

Nope, still there !!


From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange list?
Is there a Exchange list/ I swear I was subscribed to one and it used to be as 
busy as that one, but that last post I see from 11/24. Did it move to a forum 
or something?

I have some Outlook / Exchange issue that are a high priority (my exec's are 
involved, time for me to pay attention..) David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

 
 
... 
 
 
 
 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Reality check

[Mayo, Bill]

Afraid not.  The department that uses the software makes the decision
about what they use.  We can only advise.  We previously had a different
vendor, and this vendor is actually superior from what I can tell.

I don't really deal directly with the vendor for this system, so the
only thing I can do is point out the problems to the person that
administers the system and to our CIO.  The former has been hearing
about it all day, and the latter will (he is already aware of some
issues we have had when the workstation has had problems).

The last time this came up (when I had some involvement with the
workstation getting setup), I complained to the on-site tech about it.
At that time (about 3 years ago), he said that he agreed and that they
were working on converting the processes to services.  Guess that didn't
happen.

Thanks to all for the confirmation that I am not just difficult (at
least in this case!).

Bill Mayo

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Reality check

As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they want,
which means not fixing the problem. 

Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor? 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services Guardian Life
Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

-Original Message-
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Reality check

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~



-
This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is
privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable
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Re: Reality check

[Silvio L. Nisgoski]

You are right. But as you , I´ve fought with vendors when the client were 
tied to them, and they don´t understand/don´t want to understand the 
importance of not running with it logged. The most common answer I use to 
hear is that "all their other clients use it like this and don´t 
complain"..


When our customer wasn´t cooperative and would side with the vendor in this 
issue, we use to someway get in printing that we will not be responsible for 
problems created by the machine being logged/being restarted and not getting 
logged again.





- Original Message - 
From: "Mayo, Bill" 

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:04 PM
Subject: Reality check


I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~ 



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Reality check

[Christopher Bodnar]

As long as you are tied to the vendor, they will do whatever they want,
which means not fixing the problem. 

Any possibility of shopping around for another vendor? 

Chris Bodnar, MCSE
Sr. Systems Engineer
Infrastructure Service Delivery
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003

-Original Message-
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Reality check

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



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RE: Reality check

[Steven M. Caesare]

Noo.

I can think of a dozen problems with that scenario, both operationally
and security wise, without even knowing any further details.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Reality check
> 
> I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a
> new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is
> not just me being difficult.  This system already has the requirement
that a
> workstation be logged on with 3 different programs running in the
> foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be clear, an
> account has to be logged into this machine at all times for this
system to work
> properly.  They are here now, installing a new server for a new
module, and
> they now have to have it doing the same thing on the server (logged on
> account, foreground applications running).
> 
> This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is
> not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
> they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account
> logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was
> bad enough.)  Am I alone?
> 
> Bill Mayo
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Reality check

[Michael B. Smith]

Hi Bill.

I graduated from ECU in 1983 and did some of my grad work at Pitt Memorial. I 
have fond memories of Pitt County.

Enough of old home week - push back. Really really hard. 

That's ridiculous. Services are even easy to do in the Win32 API.

It takes less than 20 lines of code in C# to start a service cleanly and only 
about 10 to shut a service down cleanly.

-Original Message-
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Reality check

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to add a new 
module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to confirm it is not 
just me being difficult.  This system already has the requirement that a 
workstation be logged on with 3 different programs running in the foreground to 
shuffle data around between modules.  To be clear, an account has to be logged 
into this machine at all times for this system to work properly.  They are here 
now, installing a new server for a new module, and they now have to have it 
doing the same thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications 
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent company is 
not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an account 
logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The workstation was bad 
enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Reality check

[Kurt Buff]

No, you are not alone.

Any company that vends software to run on a server, and which can't
figure out how to make it run as a service, should immediately go
bankrupt, and their software devs and management should be publicly
flogged.

Kurt

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 13:04, Mayo, Bill  wrote:
> I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
> add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
> confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
> requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
> running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
> clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
> this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
> server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
> thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
> running).
>
> This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
> company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
> they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
> account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
> workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?
>
> Bill Mayo
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Reality check

[Steve Kelsay]

You are not alone. Unfortunately, it is common enough in the application
design field. 

-Original Message-
From: Mayo, Bill [mailto:bem...@pittcountync.gov] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Reality check

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Reality check

[Mayo, Bill]

I am terribly frustrated with an application vendor who is on-site to
add a new module to on of our critical software packages, and I want to
confirm it is not just me being difficult.  This system already has the
requirement that a workstation be logged on with 3 different programs
running in the foreground to shuffle data around between modules.  To be
clear, an account has to be logged into this machine at all times for
this system to work properly.  They are here now, installing a new
server for a new module, and they now have to have it doing the same
thing on the server (logged on account, foreground applications
running).

This is not a minor system (either in size or cost) and the parent
company is not tiny (rhymes with "bun hard").  When I say "services"
they look at me like I am from Mars.  The problems with needing an
account logged onto a server at all times seem obvious to me.  (The
workstation was bad enough.)  Am I alone?

Bill Mayo

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: net flow analyser

[Harry Singh]

+1 Manageengine.



On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Christopher  wrote:

> I second Ntop, although my experience using it with netflow is limited, I
> know it works with it.
>
> On Jan 21, 2010 9:54 AM, "Laurence Childs" 
> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> i have a customer where we are having trouble looking in to link stats on
> their LES circuit
>
> we have a Cisco router joining the 2 sites together and i want to look at
> the stats from that
>
> do you know of a good NetFlow analyser package that is free?
>
> thanks
>
> Laurence
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Website Issue

[Ziots, Edward]

It sounds like they have DNS poisoning upstream of there DNS servers, or
definitely a hook into there web=-browsering that is re-directing them
to the p0rn site...

If you give me the site offline I will look at it from my site and send
you back the HTTP traffic log accordingly. 

Z

Edward Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +
ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone:401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Website Issue

How about SpyBot S&D? That's another good anti-malware product. It is my
considered opinion that nothing, not even Vipre catches everything.
Also,
SpyBot can populate your hosts file with redirects to localhost for
known
malware / spyware sites.



-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Website Issue

They have run their AV and run malwarebytes on all the servers and
neither found anything.

_
Cameron Cooper
System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Website Issue

Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they are getting
the correct dns entries?  Have they been checked for malware that
changed the hosts file?

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Website Issue

A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website,
which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes
to a porn site.  When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right
to their website.  He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had
the router's DNS flushed as well.

 

Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.

 

Ideas?

 

_

Cameron Cooper

System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: net flow analyser

[Christopher]

I second Ntop, although my experience using it with netflow is limited, I
know it works with it.

On Jan 21, 2010 9:54 AM, "Laurence Childs" 
wrote:

Hi All

i have a customer where we are having trouble looking in to link stats on
their LES circuit

we have a Cisco router joining the 2 sites together and i want to look at
the stats from that

do you know of a good NetFlow analyser package that is free?

thanks

Laurence
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[Webster]

Stu doesn't get _ANGRY_, he gets _EVEN_!

 

 

Webster

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Subject: RE: building a new server

 

I was picking on Jon.

 

And with that I'll duck out before we make Stu _ANGRY_

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Subject: Re: building a new server

 

They were picking on you...  At least I'm fairly certain that was sarcasm I
detected...

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

Huh?
I was trying to make him feel better.
Sure didn't mean to out or be cold to anyone.
Apoligies.


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[Glen Johnson]

Ah, well that explains it.  My sarcasm detector is busted.

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

 

They were picking on you...  At least I'm fairly certain that was
sarcasm I detected...

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Huh?
I was trying to make him feel better.
Sure didn't mean to out or be cold to anyone.
Apoligies.



-Original Message-
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

It's OK to think it, but to out him in a worldwide fourm. That's cold.


Robert

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> That wasn't nice to think of Glen.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>

> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:59 PM

>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:
>
> Don't beat yourself up.
>
> If I had $10 for every stupid thing I've done, I could buy google, ms
and
> still have money left over.
>
>
>
> From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new
OS's
> don't have those drivers built in yet.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
> wrote:
>
>  I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
want
> to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1
logical
> disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
>
> What am I doing wrong???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Website Issue

[Charlie Kaiser]

Something's obviously changed name resolution for the internal clients.
Track that down and you'll find the problem. There's malware that will
change the hosts file and put bad sites in. DNS could have been hacked.
Figure out where name resolution is coming from and you'll nail the
problem...

***
Charlie Kaiser
charl...@golden-eagle.org
Kingman, AZ
***  

> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:58 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Website Issue
> 
> They have run their AV and run malwarebytes on all the 
> servers and neither found anything.
> 
> _
> Cameron Cooper
> System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Website Issue
> 
> Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they 
> are getting the correct dns entries?  Have they been checked 
> for malware that changed the hosts file?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Website Issue
> 
> A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own 
> website, which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try 
> to access it, it goes to a porn site.  When anyone externally 
> accesses the site, it goes right to their website.  He's 
> cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had the router's 
> DNS flushed as well.
> 
>  
> 
> Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.
> 
>  
> 
> Ideas?
> 
>  
> 
> _
> 
> Cameron Cooper
> 
> System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
> 
> Aurico Reports, Inc
> 
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> 
> ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource 
> hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource 
> hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
> 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Website Issue

[Cameron Cooper]

Thanks Andrew.

 

I'll pass this info onto the colleague and see what he finds out and
then post here the results.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com

 

From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Website Issue

 

Hi Cameron,

 

Have you checked that the DNS clients are definitely configured with the
correct DNS servers in their network configuration?

 

Assuming that you have them pointing to internal DNS servers, you should
then check that they are configured with the correct  forwarders.

 

Having done that, you should launch nslookup on those DNS servers and
checked that the DNS name for the company website resolve correctly.

 

Finally you should run ipconfig/flushdns on the DNS clients.

 

Please report back how you get on.

 

Kind regards,

 

Andrew

2010/1/21 Cameron Cooper 

They have run their AV and run malwarebytes on all the servers and
neither found anything.


_
Cameron Cooper
System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com



-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Website Issue

Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they are getting
the correct dns entries?  Have they been checked for malware that
changed the hosts file?

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Website Issue

A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website,
which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes
to a porn site.  When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right
to their website.  He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had
the router's DNS flushed as well.



Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.



Ideas?



_

Cameron Cooper

System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~




-- 
Kind regards,

Andrew Levicki MCITP MCSE CCNA
and...@levicki.me.uk
www.andrewlevicki.eu

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[Steven M. Caesare]

I was picking on Jon.

 

And with that I'll duck out before we make Stu _ANGRY_

 

-sc

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 2:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

 

They were picking on you...  At least I'm fairly certain that was
sarcasm I detected...

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Huh?
I was trying to make him feel better.
Sure didn't mean to out or be cold to anyone.
Apoligies.



-Original Message-
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

It's OK to think it, but to out him in a worldwide fourm. That's cold.


Robert

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> That wasn't nice to think of Glen.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>

> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]

> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:59 PM

>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:
>
> Don't beat yourself up.
>
> If I had $10 for every stupid thing I've done, I could buy google, ms
and
> still have money left over.
>
>
>
> From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new
OS's
> don't have those drivers built in yet.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
> wrote:
>
>  I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
want
> to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1
logical
> disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
>
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: building a new server

[Don Ely]

They were picking on you...  At least I'm fairly certain that was sarcasm I
detected...

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

> Huh?
> I was trying to make him feel better.
> Sure didn't mean to out or be cold to anyone.
> Apoligies.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:03 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
> It's OK to think it, but to out him in a worldwide fourm. That's cold. 
>
> Robert
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare 
> wrote:
> > That wasn’t nice to think of Glen.
> >
> >
> >
> > -sc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:59 PM
>  >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: building a new server
> >
> >
> >
> > Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Don’t beat yourself up.
> >
> > If I had $10 for every stupid thing I’ve done, I could buy google, ms and
> > still have money left over.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: building a new server
> >
> >
> >
> > Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Steve Ens
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > Subject: Re: building a new server
> >
> >
> >
> > Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
> > don't have those drivers built in yet.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
> > wrote:
> >
> >  I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
> want
> > to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical
> > disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
> >
> > What am I doing wrong???
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> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: Website Issue

[Andrew Levicki]

And lastly check that the router is configured with the correct forwarders.

Over and out.

2010/1/21 Andrew Levicki 

> Yes, good point, check the DNS clients' HOSTS file, which is located in:
> %SYSTEMROOT%\System32\drivers\etc
>
> Look for a rogue entry for the DNS name of the company website.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Andrew
>
> 2010/1/21 Andrew Levicki 
>
>> Hi Cameron,
>>
>> Have you checked that the DNS clients are definitely configured with the
>> correct DNS servers in their network configuration?
>>
>> Assuming that you have them pointing to internal DNS servers, you should
>> then check that they are configured with the correct  forwarders.
>>
>> Having done that, you should launch nslookup on those DNS servers and
>> checked that the DNS name for the company website resolve correctly.
>>
>> Finally you should run ipconfig/flushdns on the DNS clients.
>>
>> Please report back how you get on.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> 2010/1/21 Cameron Cooper 
>>
>>> They have run their AV and run malwarebytes on all the servers and
>>>
>>> neither found anything.
>>>
>>> _
>>> Cameron Cooper
>>> System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
>>> Aurico Reports, Inc
>>> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
>>> ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: Website Issue
>>>
>>> Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they are getting
>>> the correct dns entries?  Have they been checked for malware that
>>> changed the hosts file?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Website Issue
>>>
>>> A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website,
>>> which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes
>>> to a porn site.  When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right
>>> to their website.  He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had
>>> the router's DNS flushed as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _
>>>
>>> Cameron Cooper
>>>
>>> System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
>>>
>>> Aurico Reports, Inc
>>>
>>> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
>>>
>>> ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~   ~
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~   ~
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Andrew Levicki MCITP MCSE CCNA
>> and...@levicki.me.uk
>> www.andrewlevicki.eu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Andrew Levicki MCITP MCSE CCNA
> and...@levicki.me.uk
> www.andrewlevicki.eu
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Kind regards,

Andrew Levicki MCITP MCSE CCNA
and...@levicki.me.uk
www.andrewlevicki.eu

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Website Issue

[Andrew Levicki]

Yes, good point, check the DNS clients' HOSTS file, which is located in:
%SYSTEMROOT%\System32\drivers\etc

Look for a rogue entry for the DNS name of the company website.

Good luck.

Andrew

2010/1/21 Andrew Levicki 

> Hi Cameron,
>
> Have you checked that the DNS clients are definitely configured with the
> correct DNS servers in their network configuration?
>
> Assuming that you have them pointing to internal DNS servers, you should
> then check that they are configured with the correct  forwarders.
>
> Having done that, you should launch nslookup on those DNS servers and
> checked that the DNS name for the company website resolve correctly.
>
> Finally you should run ipconfig/flushdns on the DNS clients.
>
> Please report back how you get on.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Andrew
>
> 2010/1/21 Cameron Cooper 
>
>> They have run their AV and run malwarebytes on all the servers and
>>
>> neither found anything.
>>
>> _
>> Cameron Cooper
>> System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
>> Aurico Reports, Inc
>> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
>> ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Website Issue
>>
>> Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they are getting
>> the correct dns entries?  Have they been checked for malware that
>> changed the hosts file?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Website Issue
>>
>> A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website,
>> which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes
>> to a porn site.  When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right
>> to their website.  He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had
>> the router's DNS flushed as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>>
>> Cameron Cooper
>>
>> System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
>>
>> Aurico Reports, Inc
>>
>> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
>>
>> ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
>
> Andrew Levicki MCITP MCSE CCNA
> and...@levicki.me.uk
> www.andrewlevicki.eu
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Kind regards,

Andrew Levicki MCITP MCSE CCNA
and...@levicki.me.uk
www.andrewlevicki.eu

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[Glen Johnson]

Huh?
I was trying to make him feel better.
Sure didn't mean to out or be cold to anyone.
Apoligies.


-Original Message-
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

It's OK to think it, but to out him in a worldwide fourm. That's cold. 

Robert

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> That wasn’t nice to think of Glen.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:59 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson  wrote:
>
> Don’t beat yourself up.
>
> If I had $10 for every stupid thing I’ve done, I could buy google, ms and
> still have money left over.
>
>
>
> From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
> don't have those drivers built in yet.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
> wrote:
>
>  I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want
> to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical
> disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
>
> What am I doing wrong???
>
>
>
>
>
>
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Website Issue

[Andrew Levicki]

Hi Cameron,

Have you checked that the DNS clients are definitely configured with the
correct DNS servers in their network configuration?

Assuming that you have them pointing to internal DNS servers, you should
then check that they are configured with the correct  forwarders.

Having done that, you should launch nslookup on those DNS servers and
checked that the DNS name for the company website resolve correctly.

Finally you should run ipconfig/flushdns on the DNS clients.

Please report back how you get on.

Kind regards,

Andrew

2010/1/21 Cameron Cooper 

> They have run their AV and run malwarebytes on all the servers and
> neither found anything.
>
> _
> Cameron Cooper
> System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
> Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
> ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Website Issue
>
> Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they are getting
> the correct dns entries?  Have they been checked for malware that
> changed the hosts file?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Website Issue
>
> A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website,
> which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes
> to a porn site.  When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right
> to their website.  He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had
> the router's DNS flushed as well.
>
>
>
> Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.
>
>
>
> Ideas?
>
>
>
> _
>
> Cameron Cooper
>
> System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>


-- 
Kind regards,

Andrew Levicki MCITP MCSE CCNA
and...@levicki.me.uk
www.andrewlevicki.eu

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: net flow analyser

[Matthew Bullock]

+1 for the ManageEngine product.  

-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: net flow analyser

Literally just went through this.

nfdump and nfsen.


http://www.networkuptime.com/tools/netflow/
http://www.honeynor.no/sharewiki/index.php/Nfsen
http://code.google.com/p/installnfsen/wiki/InstallNetFlowWithNfSen

http://www.manageengine.com/products/netflow/download-free.html


-Original Message-
From: Laurence Childs [mailto:laurence.chi...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: net flow analyser

Hi All

i have a customer where we are having trouble looking in to link stats on their 
LES circuit

we have a Cisco router joining the 2 sites together and i want to look at the 
stats from that

do you know of a good NetFlow analyser package that is free?

thanks

Laurence
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Website Issue

[John Aldrich]

How about SpyBot S&D? That's another good anti-malware product. It is my
considered opinion that nothing, not even Vipre catches everything. Also,
SpyBot can populate your hosts file with redirects to localhost for known
malware / spyware sites.



-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Website Issue

They have run their AV and run malwarebytes on all the servers and
neither found anything.

_
Cameron Cooper
System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Website Issue

Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they are getting
the correct dns entries?  Have they been checked for malware that
changed the hosts file?

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Website Issue

A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website,
which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes
to a porn site.  When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right
to their website.  He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had
the router's DNS flushed as well.

 

Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.

 

Ideas?

 

_

Cameron Cooper

System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Website Issue

[Cameron Cooper]

They have run their AV and run malwarebytes on all the servers and
neither found anything.

_
Cameron Cooper
System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com | www.aurico.com


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Website Issue

Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they are getting
the correct dns entries?  Have they been checked for malware that
changed the hosts file?

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Website Issue

A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website,
which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes
to a porn site.  When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right
to their website.  He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had
the router's DNS flushed as well.

 

Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.

 

Ideas?

 

_

Cameron Cooper

System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Website Issue

[Terry Dickson]

Have they done an nslookup on the dns servers to see if they are getting the 
correct dns entries?  Have they been checked for malware that changed the hosts 
file?

-Original Message-
From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Website Issue

A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website, which is 
hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes to a porn site. 
 When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right to their website.  
He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had the router's DNS flushed 
as well.

 

Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.

 

Ideas?

 

_

Cameron Cooper

System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: For those of you with co-location...

[Brian Desmond]

Delegate the colo people access to their part of antivirus? It seems like a 
waste of money/resources/etc to run a parallel infrastructure.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: For those of you with co-location...

Good Q John - we handle everything on the COLO servers, they just happen to be 
elsewhere.

COLO and is are 80% Windows servers. I guess we're just unusual that we have 
two teams handling servers, they should just give them to one team (although 
that would be eliminating my job...).

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: For those of you with co-location...

Depends on the OS's.  Here, the same team manages the colo servers and it's 
anti-virus protection as well as internal servers, however, the colo stuff is 
all *nix and the internal stuff is all Windows, so different solutions.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:31 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
We have two systems infrastructures here - internal 
file/print/SharePoint/E-mail, and client facing web and SQL server farms. 
They're in separate forests with a trust.  We have one team that manages the 
colo, but for anti-virus it's my team that handles the internal servers and 
workstations AV.

Would you manage both sites with one solution, or run two different solutions? 
And which team would manage the colo AV solution?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764








--
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke









~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Don Guyer]

Most of our users haven't even made it to 2007 yet!

 

I do have a beta 2010, just haven't loaded it yet, but good to know.

 

Thx!

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

 

Office 2010 does. J

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

 

Ahh, gotcha. Wouldn't that be nice if it did?

 

: D

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM

 

Sorry, no it ran it just ran as a x32 not an x64.  I would have hoped
that it would have done an x64 install on an x64 machine and x32 on an
x32 machine.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Don Guyer 
wrote:

Are you saying it wouldn't run? I'm pretty sure I'm running Office
32-bit on my Win7 64-bit system at home. 

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM 

 

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test
machine I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an
x32 XP system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer
could have migrated any of his apps to it without issue.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html
 








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Website Issue

[Cameron Cooper]

A colleague's company is having issues accessing their own website,
which is hosted offsite.  Internally when they try to access it, it goes
to a porn site.  When anyone externally accesses the site, it goes right
to their website.  He's cleared the DNS cache on all DNS servers and had
the router's DNS flushed as well.

 

Their setup involves a an ISA server that acts as their proxy server.

 

Ideas?

 

_

Cameron Cooper

System Administrator | CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021 | Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com   | www.aurico.com

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Steven M. Caesare]

Indeed.

 

And I like it...  quite a bit.

 

-sc

 

From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

 

Office 2010 does. :-)

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

 

Ahh, gotcha. Wouldn't that be nice if it did?

 

: D

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM

 

Sorry, no it ran it just ran as a x32 not an x64.  I would have hoped
that it would have done an x64 install on an x64 machine and x32 on an
x32 machine.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Don Guyer 
wrote:

Are you saying it wouldn't run? I'm pretty sure I'm running Office
32-bit on my Win7 64-bit system at home. 

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM 

 

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test
machine I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an
x32 XP system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer
could have migrated any of his apps to it without issue.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html
 








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Terry Dickson]

Hey that is what I am running.

-Original Message-
From: Damien Solodow [mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

Office 2010 does. J

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

 

Ahh, gotcha. Wouldn't that be nice if it did?

 

: D

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM

 

Sorry, no it ran it just ran as a x32 not an x64.  I would have hoped that it 
would have done an x64 install on an x64 machine and x32 on an x32 machine.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Don Guyer  wrote:

Are you saying it wouldn't run? I'm pretty sure I'm running Office 32-bit on my 
Win7 64-bit system at home. 

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM 

 

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there may 
have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test machine I had.  
I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an x32 XP system due to 
software licensing issues so the Web developer could have migrated any of his 
apps to it without issue.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html 

 








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Damien Solodow]

Office 2010 does. J

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

 

Ahh, gotcha. Wouldn't that be nice if it did?

 

: D

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM

 

Sorry, no it ran it just ran as a x32 not an x64.  I would have hoped
that it would have done an x64 install on an x64 machine and x32 on an
x32 machine.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Don Guyer 
wrote:

Are you saying it wouldn't run? I'm pretty sure I'm running Office
32-bit on my Win7 64-bit system at home. 

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM 

 

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test
machine I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an
x32 XP system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer
could have migrated any of his apps to it without issue.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html
 








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Don Guyer]

Ahh, gotcha. Wouldn't that be nice if it did?

 

: D

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM

 

Sorry, no it ran it just ran as a x32 not an x64.  I would have hoped
that it would have done an x64 install on an x64 machine and x32 on an
x32 machine.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Don Guyer 
wrote:

Are you saying it wouldn't run? I'm pretty sure I'm running Office
32-bit on my Win7 64-bit system at home. 

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM 

 

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test
machine I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an
x32 XP system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer
could have migrated any of his apps to it without issue.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html
 








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: For those of you with co-location...

[David Lum]

Good Q John - we handle everything on the COLO servers, they just happen to be 
elsewhere.

COLO and is are 80% Windows servers. I guess we're just unusual that we have 
two teams handling servers, they should just give them to one team (although 
that would be eliminating my job...).

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: For those of you with co-location...

Depends on the OS's.  Here, the same team manages the colo servers and it's 
anti-virus protection as well as internal servers, however, the colo stuff is 
all *nix and the internal stuff is all Windows, so different solutions.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:31 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
We have two systems infrastructures here - internal 
file/print/SharePoint/E-mail, and client facing web and SQL server farms. 
They're in separate forests with a trust.  We have one team that manages the 
colo, but for anti-virus it's my team that handles the internal servers and 
workstations AV.

Would you manage both sites with one solution, or run two different solutions? 
And which team would manage the colo AV solution?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764








--
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: 16 bit VDM

[Jon Harris]

Sorry, no it ran it just ran as a x32 not an x64.  I would have hoped that
it would have done an x64 install on an x64 machine and x32 on an x32
machine.

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Don Guyer wrote:

>  Are you saying it wouldn’t run? I’m pretty sure I’m running Office 32-bit
> on my Win7 64-bit system at home.
>
>
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Systems Engineer - Information Services
>
> Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
>
> 431 W. Lancaster Avenue
>
> Devon, PA 19333
>
> Direct: (610) 993-3299
>
> Fax: (610) 650-5306
>
> don.gu...@prufoxroach.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: 16 bit VDM
>
>
>
> I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
> may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test machine
> I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an x32 XP
> system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer could have
> migrated any of his apps to it without issue.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:
>
> Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
> Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
> I think we have a differing definition of "easier".
>
> Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
> If so, what kinds of problems did you face?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM
>
> There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
> problem solved.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: 16 bit VDM
>
> Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?
>
> If so, did you see any side effects.
>
> I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
> guess there could be some we aren't aware of.
>
> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
> -17-years-Update-908917.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Steven M. Caesare]

+1

 

There isn't a 64Bit Off2K7 I'm aware of, and I have that on a few boxes.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 1:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

 

Are you saying it wouldn't run? I'm pretty sure I'm running Office
32-bit on my Win7 64-bit system at home. 

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM

 

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test
machine I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an
x32 XP system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer
could have migrated any of his apps to it without issue.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html
 








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: building a new server

[Jon Harris]

How often do any of us setup from bare metal new servers?  I have done a
fair share but still there are not that many or that often.  Large shops
have automated methods and small shops don't do a lot period.  Consultants
may get more of a work out than most but my bet would be even they end up
doing only a few every year.

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:03 PM, David Lum  wrote:

>  +1
>
>
>
> As long as it’s not the same stupid thing over and over you’re fine. $10
> says you won’t forget the F6 thing for a year or more too J. Big mistakes
> and “how the hell did I possibly miss that?” mistakes are rarely repeated
> because they usually flip the “I’ll never forget it” bit. That bit lives
> dangerously near the “oh yeah let’s try that, what could possibly go wrong”
> bit though…
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:59 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson  wrote:
>
> Don’t beat yourself up.
>
> If I had $10 for every stupid thing I’ve done, I could buy google, ms and
> still have money left over.
>
>
>
> *From:* David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Ens 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
>
> *Subject:* Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
> don't have those drivers built in yet.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
> wrote:
>
>  I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want
> to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical
> disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
>
> What am I doing wrong???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Don Guyer]

Are you saying it wouldn't run? I'm pretty sure I'm running Office
32-bit on my Win7 64-bit system at home. 

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com  

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM

 

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test
machine I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an
x32 XP system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer
could have migrated any of his apps to it without issue.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html
 








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~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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RE: building a new server

[David Lum]

+1

As long as it's not the same stupid thing over and over you're fine. $10 says 
you won't forget the F6 thing for a year or more too :). Big mistakes and "how 
the hell did I possibly miss that?" mistakes are rarely repeated because they 
usually flip the "I'll never forget it" bit. That bit lives dangerously near 
the "oh yeah let's try that, what could possibly go wrong" bit though...

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.

Jon
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson 
mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu>> wrote:
Don't beat yourself up.
If I had $10 for every stupid thing I've done, I could buy google, ms and still 
have money left over.

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.

From: Steve Ens
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's don't 
have those drivers built in yet.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
mailto:dav...@imcu.com>> wrote:
 I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want to 
mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical disk but 
when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
What am I doing wrong???
























~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: building a new server

[Robert Cato]

It's OK to think it, but to out him in a worldwide fourm. That's cold. 

Robert

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Steven M. Caesare  wrote:
> That wasn’t nice to think of Glen.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:59 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
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>
> Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.
>
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> Jon
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson  wrote:
>
> Don’t beat yourself up.
>
> If I had $10 for every stupid thing I’ve done, I could buy google, ms and
> still have money left over.
>
>
>
> From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens
>
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
> don't have those drivers built in yet.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
> wrote:
>
>  I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want
> to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical
> disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
>
> What am I doing wrong???
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[Steven M. Caesare]

That wasn't nice to think of Glen.

 

-sc

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

 

Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Don't beat yourself up.

If I had $10 for every stupid thing I've done, I could buy google, ms
and still have money left over.

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

 

Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.

 

From: Steve Ens   

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
  

Subject: Re: building a new server

 

Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
don't have those drivers built in yet.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
wrote:

 I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
want to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1
logical disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was
found???

What am I doing wrong???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: building a new server

[Jon Harris]

Amen and here I thought I was the only one that thought that.

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

>  Don’t beat yourself up.
>
> If I had $10 for every stupid thing I’ve done, I could buy google, ms and
> still have money left over.
>
>
>
> *From:* David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Ens 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
>
> *Subject:* Re: building a new server
>
>
>
> Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
> don't have those drivers built in yet.
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
> wrote:
>
>  I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want
> to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical
> disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
>
> What am I doing wrong???
>
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[Glen Johnson]

Don't beat yourself up.

If I had $10 for every stupid thing I've done, I could buy google, ms
and still have money left over.

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

 

Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.

 

From: Steve Ens   

Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
  

Subject: Re: building a new server

 

Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
don't have those drivers built in yet.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
wrote:

 I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
want to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1
logical disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was
found???

What am I doing wrong???

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[Ziots, Edward]

Use the Smart Start CD to do the OS install. You wont have the problem
with the drivers. 

 

Which Smart start CD you using. Version 8.30 is the latest.. 

 

Z

 

Edward Ziots

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +

ezi...@lifespan.org

Phone:401-639-3505



From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

 

Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
don't have those drivers built in yet.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
wrote:

 I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
want to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1
logical disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was
found???

What am I doing wrong???

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: For those of you with co-location...

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Depends on the OS's.  Here, the same team manages the colo servers and it's
anti-virus protection as well as internal servers, however, the colo stuff
is all *nix and the internal stuff is all Windows, so different solutions.


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:31 AM, David Lum  wrote:

>  We have two systems infrastructures here – internal
> file/print/SharePoint/E-mail, and client facing web and SQL server farms.
> They’re in separate forests with a trust.  We have one team that manages the
> colo, but for anti-virus it’s my team that handles the internal servers and
> workstations AV.
>
>
>
> Would you manage both sites with one solution, or run two different
> solutions? And which team would manage the colo AV solution?
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
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>
>
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>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[David Lum]

It's an easy miss if you go long enough between building servers and don't do 
it very often. Sometimes long stints with  non-RAID SATA and IDE drives suck 
the SCSI knowledge right out of you.
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764
From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.

From: Steve Ens
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: building a new server

Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's don't 
have those drivers built in yet.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden 
mailto:dav...@imcu.com>> wrote:
 I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want to 
mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical disk but 
when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
What am I doing wrong???















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: For those of you with co-location...

[Jon Harris]

Wouldn't that depend on how the colo was setup and managed right?  Is it
owned by your company or leased space someplace with non-employee's doing
the work?

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:31 PM, David Lum  wrote:

>  We have two systems infrastructures here – internal
> file/print/SharePoint/E-mail, and client facing web and SQL server farms.
> They’re in separate forests with a trust.  We have one team that manages the
> colo, but for anti-virus it’s my team that handles the internal servers and
> workstations AV.
>
>
>
> Would you manage both sites with one solution, or run two different
> solutions? And which team would manage the colo AV solution?
>
> *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER
> NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
> (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

For those of you with co-location...

[David Lum]

We have two systems infrastructures here - internal 
file/print/SharePoint/E-mail, and client facing web and SQL server farms. 
They're in separate forests with a trust.  We have one team that manages the 
colo, but for anti-virus it's my team that handles the internal servers and 
workstations AV.

Would you manage both sites with one solution, or run two different solutions? 
And which team would manage the colo AV solution?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: building a new server

[David W. McSpadden]

Damn it I am so stupid most of the time.


From: Steve Ens 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: building a new server


Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's don't 
have those drivers built in yet.


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden  wrote:

   I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want to 
mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical disk but 
when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
  What am I doing wrong???




 






 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: building a new server

[Steve Ens]

Like the others, it is a controller driver, but funny that the new OS's
don't have those drivers built in yet.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:16 AM, David W. McSpadden wrote:

>   I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
> want to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1
> logical disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
> What am I doing wrong???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Phillip Partipilo]

We have about half of our users at 64 bit XP right now, with a gradual
roll-out of 64-bit Win7 taking place. Notable issues:

(1) a particular piece of code we rarely use happens to use an ancient copy
protection algorithm, which relies on some 16-bit code.  We keep a few
32-bit machines online for the users of this software to RDP into.

(2) Not really so much a 64-bit issue, but a Vista/Win7 thing. They started
using Intel64 in the PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER environment variable instead of
EM64T, which breaks some software installers.  Not hard to work around, just
open up cmd and change the variable and run setup from the command prompt
there.

Print drivers are most often noted.  Perhaps with some inkjets, I dunno, but
none of our relatively big brand lasers have had any trouble at all (Xerox,
HP, Brother)

On a non-business level, I recall having problems getting Battlefield 2142
working on my home PC running Win7 RC 64-bit. I think that was related to
Punkbuster.  I haven't tried since 7 went RTM, it might be fixed by now. 

 
Phillip Partipilo
Parametric Solutions Inc.
Jupiter, Florida
(561) 747-6107
 
 

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM



Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?

-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html

 

 

 


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~   ~


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R: building a new server

[HELP_PC]

Press F6 to load the RAID drivers
 
GuidoElia
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  _  

Da: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Inviato: giovedì 21 gennaio 2010 18.16
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: building a new server


 I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want to 
mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical disk but 
when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
What am I doing wrong???
 

 


 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: building a new server

[Graeme Carstairs]

Need to add the sata driver durint eh windows boot when it asks to press an
f key if you have any additional storage drivers to add.



2010/1/21 David W. McSpadden 

>   I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
> want to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1
> logical disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
> What am I doing wrong???
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: building a new server

[Glen Johnson]

Sounds like you need to load the controller driver.

F6 if windows 2003 or there is a menu choice for that if 2008.

 

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: building a new server

 

 I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I
want to mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1
logical disk but when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was
found???

What am I doing wrong???

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: GPO Best Practices

[Free, Bob]

Actually that feature was updated in 2kSp4 so you could even do it on a
W2K domain

-Original Message-
From: asbz...@gmail.com [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: GPO Best Practices

You can do it in 2003 as well, just in a more complicated fashion. 

If you use the "this group is a member of..." functionality, this can be
achieved in 2003. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Eisenberg, Wayne" 
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:48:56 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GPO Best Practices

Group Policy preferences in AD 2008 actually allows you to
add/remove/update groups without deleting all previous group members,
unlike group policy in 2003.


-Original Message-
From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GPO Best Practices

Thanks to everyone for their ideas.  This was very helpful!


John Bowles 



From: Andy Ognenoff [andyognen...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GPO Best Practices

OU structure aside (separating them is good practice for all of the
reasons
stated) - your first thought to use Restricted Groups was definitely a
way to accomplish the task - that's exactly what we do here.

Just use the "This group is a member of:" box with "Administrators"
added to it and leave the "Members of this group:" box empty.

This makes your AD security group become a part of the Local
Administrators group on whatever machines the GPO is applied to - adding
to it, rather than replacing it.

- Andy O.

From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 9:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: GPO Best Practices

I have a customer who is looking to implement a GPO to add Domain Admins
to all the workstations and servers.  I was looking into using
Restricted Groups to tackle this task, but it seems if you use
Restricted Groups you will lose anything outside of the groups you have
listed in the restricted groups, that reside in local admin group of
workstations or servers.

My question is, if I recall a finely tuned AD the concept was to have
your workstations and servers in seperate OU's right?  This way you can
have seperate sets of GPO's for each class, either workstations or
servers?

Or, is there just a flat out easier way to push certain accounts to the
servers and workstations?

Thanks,


John Bowles





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~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

building a new server

[David W. McSpadden]

 I have a DL320 G5 with SATA Raid controller and two 160GB drives.  I want to 
mirror them and I did that through the BIOS. I boot and see 1 logical disk but 
when windows Cd boots it says no valid drive was found???
What am I doing wrong???

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: net flow analyser

[Joseph L. Casale]

Literally just went through this.

nfdump and nfsen.


http://www.networkuptime.com/tools/netflow/
http://www.honeynor.no/sharewiki/index.php/Nfsen
http://code.google.com/p/installnfsen/wiki/InstallNetFlowWithNfSen

http://www.manageengine.com/products/netflow/download-free.html


-Original Message-
From: Laurence Childs [mailto:laurence.chi...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: net flow analyser

Hi All

i have a customer where we are having trouble looking in to link stats on their 
LES circuit

we have a Cisco router joining the 2 sites together and i want to look at the 
stats from that

do you know of a good NetFlow analyser package that is free?

thanks

Laurence
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

[David W. McSpadden]

I have looked through most of them.  I killed the EasyShare ones and the 
msfeedsync ones but left the rest.  I haven't had any classes on 7 yet but it 
would be nice to have a notification that scheduled task xxx ran at 1:00 am and 
completed successfully then have the radio button to show in the future.  That 
way I would be able to say that I knew the pc was updating at 1:00 am and it 
wasn't a rogue process accessing the internet...
Does that make sense.  I don't disagree it is a great place for it and gives me 
a place to look now that I know about it but something should be said someplace 
right???



From: Steven M. Caesare 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: Windows 7 Scheduled Task


Egads. Ditto.

 

Altho I have to say I like the fact that the OS (and things like antimalware) 
are using the task scheduler as a common dispatch point, rathter than processes 
running amok everywhere doing their own thing.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

 

I just looked at mine for the first time. There's a c...@pload listed under 
Windows and a few for Apple and Google software.

 

HTH,

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

 

Has anyone looked at all the Scheduled Tasks in Windows 7 Pro??

I have a ton of tasks I have never scheduled and I am just wondering when and 
how they were set up???

 

  

 


 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: 16 bit VDM

[Jon Harris]

Not the hijack this but on this line has anyone running Windows 7 with the
virtual machine had any issues with these older software packages or
hardware drivers?  I never got to that point in my testing when I left the
office.  I would think that this would be a big help along those lines.  I
am even thinking what if it would run some of those old DOS based programs
for machines.

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

>  I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
> may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test machine
> I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an x32 XP
> system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer could have
> migrated any of his apps to it without issue.
>
> Jon
>
>  On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
>> Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
>> I think we have a differing definition of "easier".
>>
>> Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
>> If so, what kinds of problems did you face?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>  Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM
>>
>> There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
>> problem solved.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: 16 bit VDM
>>
>> Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?
>>
>> If so, did you see any side effects.
>>
>> I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
>> guess there could be some we aren't aware of.
>>
>> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
>> -17-years-Update-908917.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Glen Johnson]

We ran into one issue this week.

New win7 machine wouldn't run our id badge printing software.  It
couldn't find the parallel port security dongle.

XP works fine.  Virtual XP mode wouldn't work either.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: 16 bit VDM

 

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there
may have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test
machine I had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an
x32 XP system due to software licensing issues so the Web developer
could have migrated any of his apps to it without issue.

 

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson 
wrote:

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?


-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html
 








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: 16 bit VDM

[Jon Harris]

I started to do the switch and found that Office was still 32 bit, there may
have been other issues but that was the biggest one on the test machine I
had.  I had a graphics system that was scheduled to remain an x32 XP system
due to software licensing issues so the Web developer could have migrated
any of his apps to it without issue.

Jon

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Glen Johnson  wrote:

> Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
> Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
> I think we have a differing definition of "easier".
>
> Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
> If so, what kinds of problems did you face?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM
>
> There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
> problem solved.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: 16 bit VDM
>
> Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?
>
> If so, did you see any side effects.
>
> I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
> guess there could be some we aren't aware of.
>
> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
> -17-years-Update-908917.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

[Steven M. Caesare]

Egads. Ditto.

 

Altho I have to say I like the fact that the OS (and things like
antimalware) are using the task scheduler as a common dispatch point,
rathter than processes running amok everywhere doing their own thing.

 

-sc

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

 

I just looked at mine for the first time. There's a c...@pload listed
under Windows and a few for Apple and Google software.

 

HTH,

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

 

Has anyone looked at all the Scheduled Tasks in Windows 7 Pro??

I have a ton of tasks I have never scheduled and I am just wondering
when and how they were set up???

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

[Carl Houseman]

Those are the default tasks that you get from a new install, most likely.

Now that local admins aren't admins all the time, many things that must be
run with admin privs are done with scheduled tasks.

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

 

Has anyone looked at all the Scheduled Tasks in Windows 7 Pro??

I have a ton of tasks I have never scheduled and I am just wondering when
and how they were set up???

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

[Don Guyer]

I just looked at mine for the first time. There's a c...@pload listed
under Windows and a few for Apple and Google software.

 

HTH,

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: David W. McSpadden [mailto:dav...@imcu.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Windows 7 Scheduled Task

 

Has anyone looked at all the Scheduled Tasks in Windows 7 Pro??

I have a ton of tasks I have never scheduled and I am just wondering
when and how they were set up???

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: 16 bit VDM

[Kurt Buff]

Heh.

We still have machines on the floor that still use Win9x! That's
because of the serial ports we use for diagnostics, and the DOS
programs that have never been re-written.

At least I've been able to get them off the network.

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 08:23, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> As long as they don't require special drivers.
>
> I moved PART of an org to 64bit with little trouble. When we tried to expand 
> into their manufacturing and instrumentation areas, we gave up. Some of those 
> computers were (and are) running NT 4 because drivers had never been 
> updated...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:22 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM
>
> You know that 64 bit OS can run 32 bit apps in a windows on windows
> (WOW) environment)
>
> So going to 64 bit might not be as much of a pain as you think it might be. 
> Although getting vendors and developers to play along has been the real issue 
> so far IMHO..
>
> Z
>
> Edward Ziots
> Network Engineer
> Lifespan Organization
> MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + ezi...@lifespan.org
> Phone:401-639-3505
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:10 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM
>
> Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
> Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
> I think we have a differing definition of "easier".
>
> Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
> If so, what kinds of problems did you face?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM
>
> There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and problem 
> solved.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: 16 bit VDM
>
> Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?
>
> If so, did you see any side effects.
>
> I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I guess 
> there could be some we aren't aware of.
>
> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
> -17-years-Update-908917.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
>   ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Windows 7 Scheduled Task

[David W. McSpadden]

Has anyone looked at all the Scheduled Tasks in Windows 7 Pro??
I have a ton of tasks I have never scheduled and I am just wondering when and 
how they were set up???
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Terry Dickson]

We are a small shop and have switched over half of our users to 64bit.  The 
only problems have been Printer drivers and 16bit Apps.  So far we have solved 
all the printer driver issues, in a couple of cases with new printers but we 
would have had to do that anyway since those printers did not have drivers for 
Windows 7.  The 16bit apps were a little more of a problem and we do have to 
continue to support them until maybe the end of 2010.  We have them running a 
virtual mode for those apps and that has solved the problem.  We have one 
vendor that has a problem but my assistant found a solution for their app also. 
 So far I can tell you that my experiences with 64 bit have been very good.  I 
find it to be more stable than the 32bit versions.  We have a couple of users 
that have 32bit so we do not have to run virtual on their computers.  They do 
not have 4GB of Ram so they asked for that.  Their computers do not seem to be 
quite as stable as the 64Bit versions.  But that is just my experience yours 
will vary.



-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?

-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and problem 
solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I guess there 
could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: net flow analyser

[Kurt Buff]

ntop is one. There are lots of others.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=netflow+open+source&aq=0s&aql=&aqi=g-s1&oq=net+flow+open+source

first hit

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 07:55, Laurence Childs
 wrote:
> Hi All
>
> i have a customer where we are having trouble looking in to link stats on 
> their LES circuit
>
> we have a Cisco router joining the 2 sites together and i want to look at the 
> stats from that
>
> do you know of a good NetFlow analyser package that is free?
>
> thanks
>
> Laurence
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Michael B. Smith]

As long as they don't require special drivers.

I moved PART of an org to 64bit with little trouble. When we tried to expand 
into their manufacturing and instrumentation areas, we gave up. Some of those 
computers were (and are) running NT 4 because drivers had never been updated...

-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

You know that 64 bit OS can run 32 bit apps in a windows on windows
(WOW) environment)

So going to 64 bit might not be as much of a pain as you think it might be. 
Although getting vendors and developers to play along has been the real issue 
so far IMHO..

Z

Edward Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network + ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone:401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?

-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and problem 
solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I guess there 
could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Ziots, Edward]

You know that 64 bit OS can run 32 bit apps in a windows on windows
(WOW) environment)

So going to 64 bit might not be as much of a pain as you think it might
be. Although getting vendors and developers to play along has been the
real issue so far IMHO..

Z

Edward Ziots
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
MCSE,MCSA,MCP+I, ME, CCA, Security +, Network +
ezi...@lifespan.org
Phone:401-639-3505

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?

-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: 16 bit VDM

[Glen Johnson]

Humm.  Change one gp setting, break maybe one or two apps.
Switch 200+ computers to 64bit, and break who knows what?
I think we have a differing definition of "easier".

Just for fun, have any of you folks switched an org to 64?
If so, what kinds of problems did you face?

-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: 16 bit VDM

There is an easier solution just switch all user to 64 Bit OS and
problem solved.

-Original Message-
From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: 16 bit VDM

Anyone implemented the group policy mentioned in this article?

If so, did you see any side effects.

I don't know of any old 16 bit programs that are in use here, but I
guess there could be some we aren't aware of.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Windows-hole-discovered-after
-17-years-Update-908917.html

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Too many replies causes Outlook to not send???

[John Aldrich]

Good idea!

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jeff Bunting [mailto:bunting.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Too many replies causes Outlook to not send???

 

That might be it; see previous list threads about gmail showing a "message
clipped" on Outlook HTML messages because they are large.  Try saving a
problem message as a text file and see what the actual size is.

Jeff

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:51 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:

It doesn't appear to be related to the total number of emails sent/received,
it appears to have something to do with the number of replies in the
individual email.. Only thing I can think of that would cause that would be
the size of the message due to HTML emails.

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Devin Meade [mailto:devin.me...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Too many replies causes Outlook to not send???

 

We use a low cost ISP and they limit the total number of emails for each
POP3 account.  The ISP is omnis, they verified that it was an antispam
tactic.  It was set to 200 emails per 24 hr period.  They bumped ours up
some.  I don't remember the failure message but it wasn't very informative.
hth, Devin

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:37 AM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

I've noticed that on messages where there has been an extended email
conversation, after a certain number of replies back and forth, Outlook will
error out on sending. Talking Outlook 2007 here. I've seen it on my Outlook
and on at least one user's outlook where he's emailing back and forth with
his wife. Even if you trim the quotes, it refuses to send. This is using POP
email, btw. Has anyone else seen this and does anyone have a fix for it,
other than starting a new email?

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

Re: Too many replies causes Outlook to not send???

[Jeff Bunting]

That might be it; see previous list threads about gmail showing a "message
clipped" on Outlook HTML messages because they are large.  Try saving a
problem message as a text file and see what the actual size is.

Jeff

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:51 AM, John Aldrich  wrote:

>  It doesn’t appear to be related to the total number of emails
> sent/received, it appears to have something to do with the number of replies
> in the individual email…. Only thing I can think of that would cause that
> would be the size of the message due to HTML emails.
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
> *From:* Devin Meade [mailto:devin.me...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:24 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Too many replies causes Outlook to not send???
>
>
>
> We use a low cost ISP and they limit the total number of emails for each
> POP3 account.  The ISP is omnis, they verified that it was an antispam
> tactic.  It was set to 200 emails per 24 hr period.  They bumped ours up
> some.  I don't remember the failure message but it wasn't very informative.
> hth, Devin
>
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 7:37 AM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> I’ve noticed that on messages where there has been an extended email
> conversation, after a certain number of replies back and forth, Outlook will
> error out on sending. Talking Outlook 2007 here. I’ve seen it on my Outlook
> and on at least one user’s outlook where he’s emailing back and forth with
> his wife. Even if you trim the quotes, it refuses to send. This is using POP
> email, btw. Has anyone else seen this and does anyone have a fix for it,
> other than starting a new email?
>
>
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Tile-Tools]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: net flow analyser

[Don Guyer]

I heard from our network guys that there is a free version through Solar Winds, 
but it's limited to real time stats.


Don Guyer
Systems Engineer - Information Services
Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Direct: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
don.gu...@prufoxroach.com


-Original Message-
From: Laurence Childs [mailto:laurence.chi...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: net flow analyser

Hi All

i have a customer where we are having trouble looking in to link stats on their 
LES circuit

we have a Cisco router joining the 2 sites together and i want to look at the 
stats from that

do you know of a good NetFlow analyser package that is free?

thanks

Laurence
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

net flow analyser

[Laurence Childs]

Hi All

i have a customer where we are having trouble looking in to link stats on their 
LES circuit

we have a Cisco router joining the 2 sites together and i want to look at the 
stats from that

do you know of a good NetFlow analyser package that is free?

thanks

Laurence
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~