RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Miguel Gonzalez]

I don't know much about public jobs in the US and the cuts but over here in 
Spain there also cuts in some public organizations (no renovating temporary 
contracts mostly and no more hiring for a while) and some cuts (teachers got 7% 
cut of their salary instead of getting laid off) but it depends on the industry 
where you are and how crucial it is for your country. I work as a contractor 
for a public company in the aerospacial industry and the picture is completely 
different (no cuts and keep on hiring).

And maybe right now it's not that important, but a pension is pretty important 
on the long run. Holidays is also good because improves your quality of life.

Miguel

--- El lun, 16/8/10, MMF  escribió:

> De: MMF 
> Asunto: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice
> Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Fecha: lunes, 16 de agosto, 2010 20:15
> Well, here in Illinois, they've laid
> off a lot of teachers because the
> schools are having financial problems. But I disagree that
> the private
> sector job is the best decision. In the long run, the
> public sector will
> recover faster than the private sector. The difference is
> the profit
> incentive which isn't an issue in the public sector.
> Private sector
> companies have the added issue of the stock market
> analysts, whereas the
> stock market analysts don't "rate" public sector
> organizations.
> 
> Murray 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> 
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 3:57 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice
> 
> Take the private sector job.
> 
> Government employment levels are unsustainable at their
> current levels, in
> every State of which I'm aware, and cuts are coming, IMHO.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 03:34, Andy 
> wrote:
> > Hello
> > I'm currently a Infrastructure and Support manager for
> a mid size (1000
> employees) retail company. My job basically means I manage
> a team off 8
> people and look after the service desk and support team,
> manage our external
> contracts and run any infrastructure projects we have eg
> WAN upgrades/Server
> consolidations etc... Anyway I've been looking to leave and
> have been
> offered 2 jobs. One is in the public sector as a
> Infrastructure Delivery
> Manager. The job involves managing a team of 20, with 3
> direct reports,
> creating KPIs, improving uptime etc.. While the other one
> is a
> Infrastructure Project Manager for a private firm. The job
> involves running
> all infrastructure projects, no direct reports.
> >
> > Both jobs are good ones, the project manager job pay a
> few thousand more
> and has bonuses but has no pension/other benefits. While
> the public sector
> one includes final salary pension, more holidays.
> >
> > I'm really having a difficult time choosing which one
> to take and I was
> hoping you guys could share your thoughts on it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Andrew S. Baker]

Very different in IT.  Public pay scales don't come close to private.

But there is no such thing as stability in the private sector for IT,
regardless of tenure.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker

Sent from my Motorola Droid

On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming"  wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen
suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and
18-
20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector
job.

= Included Stuff Follows =
The Latest in The War Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The
compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past
decade." - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

   Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive and
   growing gap between public and private sector compensation:

   Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
   increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
   compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
   the past decade.

   Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
   $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
   compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
   are the latest available.

   The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000
   to $61,998 last year.

   But wait, there's more:

   What the data show:

   oBenefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth
   $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to
   pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.

   oPay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than
   inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal
   government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for
   comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in
   experience and education.

   oTotal compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since
   2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private
   workers.

   The article notes that defenders of federal pay levels argue that public
   employers tend to have more education than their private sector
   counterparts. Which, as much as anything, probably reflects credentialism
   run amok as a demonstrated need for specialized skills.

   Read the whole thing here.

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:
   http://reason.com/blog/2010/08/10/the-latest-in-the-war-between

But I digress from the original OT post.

I'm voting with Kurt, take the private-sector job.

Angus

--
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GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/






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RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Kennedy, Jim]

Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that 
article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word 
'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health 
care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector. But 
our pay has been traditionally lower.
What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health 
benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the 
recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get 
lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out of. 
Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the private 
sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times we get 3 
tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers 
pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when the 
private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is getting 
bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting next to 
nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the whole 
picture and get all the facts.


On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming" 
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>> wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen
suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and 18-
20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector job.

= Included Stuff Follows =
The Latest in The War Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The
compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past
decade." - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

   Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive and
   growing gap between public and private sector compensation:

   Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
   increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
   compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
   the past decade.

   Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
   $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
   compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
   are the latest available.

   The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000
   to $61,998 last year.

   But wait, there's more:

   What the data show:

   oBenefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth
   $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to
   pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.

   oPay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than
   inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal
   government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for
   comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in
   experience and education.

   oTotal compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since
   2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private
   workers.

   The article notes that defenders of federal pay levels argue that public
   employers tend to have more education than their private sector
   counterparts. Which, as much as anything, probably reflects credentialism
   run amok as a demonstrated need for specialized skills.

   Read the whole thing here.

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:
   http://reason.com/blog/2010/08/10/the-latest-in-the-war-between

But I digress from the original OT post.

I'm voting with Kurt, take the private-sector job.

Angus

--
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GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





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AD administration on Win 7 PC

[Tom Miller]

Hey Folks,
 
I'd like to administer my Windows 2008 AD on my Win 7 machines.  If I recall, 
when Win Xp there was an admin pack.  For Win 7 I downloaded the Win 7 RSAT, 
installed it, but once in MMC I don't see what I need (ADUC, GPO management).  
So what am I missing?  The main reason is so I can managed Win 7 GPO settings 
that I could see on the PC.
 
Thanks,
Tom

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RE: AD administration on Win 7 PC

[Kennedy, Jim]

After you install it you have to hit add/remove programs and add them in 
Windows Components.

From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD administration on Win 7 PC

Hey Folks,

I'd like to administer my Windows 2008 AD on my Win 7 machines.  If I recall, 
when Win Xp there was an admin pack.  For Win 7 I downloaded the Win 7 RSAT, 
installed it, but once in MMC I don't see what I need (ADUC, GPO management).  
So what am I missing?  The main reason is so I can managed Win 7 GPO settings 
that I could see on the PC.

Thanks,
Tom


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RE: AD administration on Win 7 PC

[Tom Miller]

Got it, thanks!

>>> "Kennedy, Jim"  8/17/2010 8:50 AM >>>

After you install it you have to hit add/remove programs and add them in 
Windows Components. 
 

From:Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: AD administration on Win 7 PC

 

Hey Folks,

 

I'd like to administer my Windows 2008 AD on my Win 7 machines.  If I recall, 
when Win Xp there was an admin pack.  For Win 7 I downloaded the Win 7 RSAT, 
installed it, but once in MMC I don't see what I need (ADUC, GPO management).  
So what am I missing?  The main reason is so I can managed Win 7 GPO settings 
that I could see on the PC.

 

Thanks,

Tom

 
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contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original 
message. 
  

 
 

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RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Joseph Heaton]

Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3 years, but 
from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state employees 
here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was evened out by 
a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has only gotten 
larger... and you're right about public opinion of public workers.  It's very 
sad that the general public around here thinks we the workers have had anything 
at all to do with the situation the state is in.

>>> "Kennedy, Jim"  8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that 
article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word 
'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health 
care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector. But 
our pay has been traditionally lower.
What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health 
benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the 
recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get 
lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out of. 
Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the private 
sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times we get 3 
tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers 
pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when the 
private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is getting 
bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting next to 
nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the whole 
picture and get all the facts.


On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming" 
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>> wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen
suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and 18-
20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector job.

= Included Stuff Follows =
The Latest in The War Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The
compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past
decade." - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine

   Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive and
   growing gap between public and private sector compensation:

   Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
   increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
   compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
   the past decade.

   Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
   $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
   compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
   are the latest available.

   The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000
   to $61,998 last year.

   But wait, there's more:

   What the data show:

   oBenefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth
   $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to
   pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.

   oPay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than
   inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal
   government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for
   comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in
   experience and education.

   oTotal compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since
   2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private
   workers.

   The article notes that defenders of federal pay levels argue that public
   employers tend to have more education than their private sector
   counterparts. Which, as much as anything, probably reflects credentialism
   run amok as a demonstrated need for specialized skills.

   Read the whole thing here.

= Included Stuff Ends =
More here with links:
   http://reason.com/blog/2010/08/10/the-latest-in-the-war-between 

But I digress from the original OT post.

I'm voting with Kurt, take the private-sector job.

Angus

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ 





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RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Kennedy, Jim]

Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by health 
insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer offers health 
insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I cannot have her on mine. 
I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual 
deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and 
hospitals.

But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of that.


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3 years, but 
from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state employees 
here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was evened out by 
a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has only gotten 
larger... and you're right about public opinion of public workers.  It's very 
sad that the general public around here thinks we the workers have had anything 
at all to do with the situation the state is in.

>>> "Kennedy, Jim"  8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that 
article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word 
'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health 
care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector. But 
our pay has been traditionally lower.
What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health 
benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the 
recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get 
lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out of. 
Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the private 
sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times we get 3 
tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers 
pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when the 
private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is getting 
bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting next to 
nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the whole 
picture and get all the facts.


On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming" 
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>> wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen 
suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and 18- 
20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector job.

= Included Stuff Follows = The Latest in The War 
Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The compensation gap between federal 
and private workers has doubled in the past decade." - Hit & Run : Reason 
Magazine

   Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive and
   growing gap between public and private sector compensation:

   Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
   increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
   compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
   the past decade.

   Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
   $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
   compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
   are the latest available.

   The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000
   to $61,998 last year.

   But wait, there's more:

   What the data show:

   oBenefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth
   $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to
   pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.

   oPay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than
   inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal
   government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for
   comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in
   experience and education.

   oTotal compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since
   2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private
   workers.

   The article notes that defenders of federal pay levels argue that public
   employers tend to have more education than their private sector
   counterparts. Which, as much as anything, probably reflects credentialism
   run amok as a demonstrated need for specialized skills.

   Read the whole thing here.

= Included Stuff Ends = Mor

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Andrew S. Baker]

Well said, Jim.


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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Kennedy, Jim
wrote:

> *Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of
> that article. They are using the word ‘compensation’ and you are using the
> word ‘pay’.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and
> health care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private
> sector. But our pay has been traditionally lower.*
>
> *What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health
> benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the
> recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get
> lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out
> of. Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the
> private sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times
> we get 3 tops and private sector people are getting 5+.*
>
> *The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers
> pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when
> the private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is
> getting bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting
> next to nothing, and the news and the public don’t pay any attention.*
>
> *I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the
> whole picture and get all the facts.*
>
> * *
>
> * *
>
> On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming" 
> wrote:
>
> On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:
>
> > I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
>
> Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen
> suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and
> 18-
> 20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector
> job.
>
> = Included Stuff Follows =
> The Latest in The War Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The
> compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the
> past
> decade." - Hit & Run : Reason Magazine
>
>Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive
> and
>growing gap between public and private sector compensation:
>
>Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
>increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
>compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
>the past decade.
>
>Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
>$123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
>compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
>are the latest available.
>
>The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000
>to $61,998 last year.
>
>But wait, there's more:
>
>What the data show:
>
>oBenefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth
>$41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to
>pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.
>
>oPay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than
>inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal
>government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for
>comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in
>experience and education.
>
>oTotal compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since
>2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private
>workers.
>
>The article notes that defenders of federal pay levels argue that public
>employers tend to have more education than their private sector
>counterparts. Which, as much as anything, probably reflects
> credentialism
>run amok as a demonstrated need for specialized skills.
>
>Read the whole thing here.
>
> = Included Stuff Ends =
> More here with links:
>http://reason.com/blog/2010/08/10/the-latest-in-the-war-between
>
> But I digress from the original OT post.
>
> I'm voting with Kurt, take the private-sector job.
>
> Angus
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>

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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Jonathan Link]

This is happening at the same or greater rate in the private sector...
For the last 10 or 20 years, pay increases have been nibbled away buy health
insurance premium increases.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:

> Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by health
> insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer offers
> health insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I cannot have
> her on mine. I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage,
> have dual deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different
> doctors and hospitals.
>
> But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of
> that.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>
> Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3 years,
> but from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state
> employees here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was
> evened out by a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has
> only gotten larger... and you're right about public opinion of public
> workers.  It's very sad that the general public around here thinks we the
> workers have had anything at all to do with the situation the state is in.
>
> >>> "Kennedy, Jim"  8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
> Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that
> article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word
> 'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health
> care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector.
> But our pay has been traditionally lower.
> What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health
> benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the
> recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get
> lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out
> of. Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the
> private sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times
> we get 3 tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
> The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers
> pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when
> the private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is
> getting bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting
> next to nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
> I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the
> whole picture and get all the facts.
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming"  > wrote:
>
> On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:
>
> > I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
> Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen
> suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and
> 18- 20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector
> job.
>
> = Included Stuff Follows = The Latest in The War
> Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The compensation gap between
> federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade." - Hit & Run :
> Reason Magazine
>
>   Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive and
>   growing gap between public and private sector compensation:
>
>   Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
>   increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
>   compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
>   the past decade.
>
>   Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
>   $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
>   compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
>   are the latest available.
>
>   The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000
>   to $61,998 last year.
>
>   But wait, there's more:
>
>   What the data show:
>
>   oBenefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth
>   $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to
>   pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.
>
>   oPay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than
>   inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal
>   government pays an average of 20% more than private firms for
>   comparable occupations. The analysis did not consider differences in
>   experience and education.
>
>   oTotal compensation. Federal compensation has grown 36.9% since
>   2000 after adjusting for inflation, compared with 8.8% for private
>   workers.
>
>   The art

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Andrew S. Baker]

>> I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual
deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and
hospitals.


This has often been standard for dual-income families.  Some organizations
will let you waive coverage if you're already under a spouse's coverage.
 But some will not, if the coverage is available to both parties separately.
  This is true even in private sector.



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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:

> Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by health
> insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer offers
> health insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I cannot have
> her on mine. I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage,
> have dual deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different
> doctors and hospitals.
>
> But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of
> that.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>
> Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3 years,
> but from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state
> employees here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was
> evened out by a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has
> only gotten larger... and you're right about public opinion of public
> workers.  It's very sad that the general public around here thinks we the
> workers have had anything at all to do with the situation the state is in.
>
> >>> "Kennedy, Jim"  8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
> Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that
> article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word
> 'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health
> care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector.
> But our pay has been traditionally lower.
> What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health
> benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the
> recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get
> lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out
> of. Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the
> private sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times
> we get 3 tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
> The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers
> pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when
> the private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is
> getting bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting
> next to nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
> I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the
> whole picture and get all the facts.
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming"  > wrote:
>
> On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:
>
> > I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
> Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen
> suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and
> 18- 20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector
> job.
>
> = Included Stuff Follows = The Latest in The War
> Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The compensation gap between
> federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade." - Hit & Run :
> Reason Magazine
>
>   Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive and
>   growing gap between public and private sector compensation:
>
>   Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
>   increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
>   compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
>   the past decade.
>
>   Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
>   $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
>   compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
>   are the latest available.
>
>   The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000
>   to $61,998 last year.
>
>   But wait, there's more:
>
>   What the data show:
>
>   oBenefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth
>   $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to
>   pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.
>
>   oPay. The average federal salary ha

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[John Aldrich]

Yeah... similar situation here... I can use my wife's insurance, but only as
secondary and she can be on MY insurance, but has to use her insurance as
the primary, because that's the rules here and that kind of defeats the
purpose of being enrolled in each other's insurance... :-( I really don't
know who's insurance is better, honestly. There are plusses and minuses for
each of the two insurance plans. Guess it's a good thing I don't have to
choose whether to be on her insurance or mine. :-/




-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by health
insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer offers
health insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I cannot have
her on mine. I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage,
have dual deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different
doctors and hospitals.

But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of
that.


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3 years,
but from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state
employees here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was
evened out by a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has
only gotten larger... and you're right about public opinion of public
workers.  It's very sad that the general public around here thinks we the
workers have had anything at all to do with the situation the state is in.

>>> "Kennedy, Jim"  8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that
article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word
'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health
care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector.
But our pay has been traditionally lower.
What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health
benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the
recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get
lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out
of. Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the
private sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times
we get 3 tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers
pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when
the private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is
getting bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting
next to nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the
whole picture and get all the facts.


On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming"
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>> wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen
suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and
18- 20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector
job.

= Included Stuff Follows = The Latest in The War
Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The compensation gap between
federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade." - Hit & Run :
Reason Magazine

   Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive and
   growing gap between public and private sector compensation:

   Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
   increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
   compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
   the past decade.

   Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
   $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
   compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
   are the latest available.

   The federal compensation advantage has grown from $30,415 in 2000
   to $61,998 last year.

   But wait, there's more:

   What the data show:

   oBenefits. Federal workers received average benefits worth
   $41,791 in 2009. Most of this was the government's contribution to
   pensions. Employees contributed an additional $10,569.

   oPay. The average federal salary has grown 33% faster than
   inflation since 2000. USA TODAY reported in March that the federal
   government 

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Jonathan Link]

Beginning this year, I had to pay extra to remain on my wife's insurance.
The cost of the extra was less than the cost of insurance through my
employer, and as she's a teacher and under the public employees umbrella,
the coverage was better than what I could get.



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> >> I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual
> deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and
> hospitals.
>
>
> This has often been standard for dual-income families.  Some organizations
> will let you waive coverage if you're already under a spouse's coverage.
>  But some will not, if the coverage is available to both parties separately.
>   This is true even in private sector.
>
>
>
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> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Kennedy, Jim <
> kennedy...@elyriaschools.org> wrote:
>
>> Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by
>> health insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer
>> offers health insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I cannot
>> have her on mine. I have never heard of families being forced to split
>> coverage, have dual deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have
>> different doctors and hospitals.
>>
>> But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of
>> that.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>  Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>>
>> Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3
>> years, but from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state
>> employees here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was
>> evened out by a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has
>> only gotten larger... and you're right about public opinion of public
>> workers.  It's very sad that the general public around here thinks we the
>> workers have had anything at all to do with the situation the state is in.
>>
>> >>> "Kennedy, Jim"  8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
>> Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of
>> that article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the
>> word 'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and
>> health care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private
>> sector. But our pay has been traditionally lower.
>> What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health
>> benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the
>> recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get
>> lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out
>> of. Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the
>> private sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times
>> we get 3 tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
>> The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers
>> pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when
>> the private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is
>> getting bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting
>> next to nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
>> I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the
>> whole picture and get all the facts.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming" > > wrote:
>>
>> On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:
>>
>> > I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
>> Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've
>> seen suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level
>> and 18- 20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent
>> private-sector job.
>>
>> = Included Stuff Follows = The Latest in The War
>> Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The compensation gap between
>> federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade." - Hit & Run :
>> Reason Magazine
>>
>>   Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive
>> and
>>   growing gap between public and private sector compensation:
>>
>>   Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
>>   increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
>>   compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
>>   the past decade.
>>
>>   Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
>>   $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
>>   compensation, according to the Burea

RE: Sophos vs. Vipre Enterprise (now that we have tested both)

[Jeff S. Gottlieb]

BS'D

Comments below.

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 6:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Cc: Jason Chronowitz
Subject: RE: Sophos vs. Vipre Enterprise (now that we have tested both)

 

Jeff -- thanks for this.  

 

This will sound odd, but I like having VIPRE compared to Sophos, as opposed
to many others.  It's a very decent product and a product we look at as
being in the same class as VIPRE. 

 

With regard to your points:

 

Exclusions -- the next major release of VIPRE (Q4) will have best-practices
templates, which will pre-define roles for various types of systems.  This
will dramatically help in pre-defining exclusions for servers.  

 

Updates -- We actually turned on hourly updates a few months ago, and found
users didn't like it.  I think a lot of that had to do with the updating
scheme inside the product, which spiked CPU usage when applying the update.
The next minor update to VIPRE has code written in it to allow going back to
hourly updates.  

 

24/7 support -- Got it.  We are working on improving weekend support, and I
expect you'll find things getting quite a bit better. Your general comments
about support are also perfectly reasonable and we will continue to improve.


 

Reboots -- New code is being written to separate non-boot required functions
from boot-required functions, which will enable us to only require a reboot
in certain occasions.  Our developers have been beaten into submission on
this subject, and they are now terrified of releasing update which requires
a reboot ;-) 

 

Sophos actually does require reboots, but they schedule it around major
upgrades, and they push all the reboot-required functions into one release
(I believe they have a policy of only doing reboots once a year). Might be
the case.and a schedule that we can live with. However, not doing a reboot
around a deployment --- I would like some more information on this.  Was
this on Vista/Windows 7 machines?  Or on XP machines?  On XP and below, it
is technically impossible not to require a reboot, based on the driver model
(there are some exceptions to this, but it's a long technical discussion).
Empirically yes, "NO reboots are required" for the agent deployment of XP
and Server 2003 only.
http://www.sophos.com/support/knowledgebase/article/11006.html

 

Once again, thanks for the frank evaluation, and I can assure you this email
has plenty of readers inside the organization.

 

BTW "Good to Great", by Jim Collins is a excellent read. The answers to what
makes a good company great are in this book. IMHO Sunbelt Software is
experiencing "Level 5 Leadership". Sorry, off-topic, and I don't mean to
patronize, just my "frank" observation!! Continued success.
http://www.bizsum.com/articles/art_good-to-great.php

 

Alex 

Alex Eckelberry, CEO 
Sunbelt Software
33 N. Garden Avenue, Clearwater, FL 33755 p: 727-562-0101 x220 
e: a...@sunbeltsoftware.com MSN: alex...@hotmail.com 
w:
 www.sunbeltsoftware.com b:
 www.sunbeltblog.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  _  

From: Jeff S. Gottlieb [mailto:jeff.s.gottl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Sophos vs. Vipre Enterprise (now that we have tested both)

 

We are in an SMB environment of roughly 60 servers and 1000 hosts, including
Server 2003, 2008, SBS2003, SBS2008, XP Pro SP3, Windows 7, and Vista
workstations. Sophos Endpoint Security along with PureMessaging, and Vipre
Enterprise Premium along with Vipre Email Security are being put to the test
head-to-head.

 

We are staunch fans of Sunbelt Software.  Our experiences with Vipre Email
Security (much improved over Ninja) has been great over the years.  For over
10-years we have placed our trust in Trend Micro, something that has
deteriorated slowly over the past 24-months.  In any event, we are hoping
that our published comparisons will meet objectivity, and help to give
reassurance to future Vipre users regardless of the decisions we ultimately
made.

 

The Sunbelt 'NT System Admin Issues' forum has been a great help, dating
back to April, more specifically.

 

4/01/2010 Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus, rz...@qwest.net

4/21/2010 Subject: Sophos vs. Vipre Enterprise, jholmg...@xlhealth.com

5/06/2010 Subject: NOD32 Antivirus, jda...@asmail.ucdavis.edu

5/09/2010 Subject: Life just keeps getting better, kurt.b...@gmail.com

7/29/2010 Subject: Vipre effectiveness & false positives,
c.house...@gmail.com

 

1) Installation / Deployment

Server installs both went smooth.  In deployment Sophos had few if any
issues. Viper deployment to server required countless exclusions (painfully
so). in fact when our server crashed, we were told that a few exclusions
were missing (Agh!). Viper deployment to host on two systems came with MANY
surprises. The Vipre agent loaded a "NDIS IM" element in the TCPIP stack,
causing CISCO (IPSec) clients to connect. oddly not allowing us to remote
TS, Dameware, and oth

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Ken Schaefer]

My advice - do what you enjoy. If you enjoy what you do, and you are good at 
it, then opportunities will always present themselves. If you are good at what 
you do - money (if you want it) will follow.

That doesn't mean sacrifice everything for marginal more enjoyment in 
employment, but if the difference is only a couple of thousand, then pick the 
job that you will enjoy more.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2010 10:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Beginning this year, I had to pay extra to remain on my wife's insurance.  The 
cost of the extra was less than the cost of insurance through my employer, and 
as she's a teacher and under the public employees umbrella, the coverage was 
better than what I could get.



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual 
>> deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and 
>> hospitals.



This has often been standard for dual-income families.  Some organizations will 
let you waive coverage if you're already under a spouse's coverage.  But some 
will not, if the coverage is available to both parties separately.   This is 
true even in private sector.


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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by health 
insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer offers health 
insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I cannot have her on mine. 
I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual 
deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and 
hospitals.

But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of that.


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3 years, but 
from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state employees 
here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was evened out by 
a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has only gotten 
larger... and you're right about public opinion of public workers.  It's very 
sad that the general public around here thinks we the workers have had anything 
at all to do with the situation the state is in.

>>> "Kennedy, Jim" 
>>> mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> 
>>> 8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that 
article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word 
'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health 
care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector. But 
our pay has been traditionally lower.
What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health 
benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the 
recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get 
lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out of. 
Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the private 
sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times we get 3 
tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers 
pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when the 
private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is getting 
bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting next to 
nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the whole 
picture and get all the facts.


On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming" 
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>>>
 wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen 
suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and 18- 
20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector job.

= Included Stuff Follows = The Latest in The War 
Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The compensation gap between federal 
and private workers has doubled in the past decade." - Hit & Run : Reason 
Magazine

  Put down that

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Andy Shook]

+1 Ken, well said.  Job enjoyment\satisfaction has so much to do with quality 
of life...

Shook

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:47 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

My advice - do what you enjoy. If you enjoy what you do, and you are good at 
it, then opportunities will always present themselves. If you are good at what 
you do - money (if you want it) will follow.

That doesn't mean sacrifice everything for marginal more enjoyment in 
employment, but if the difference is only a couple of thousand, then pick the 
job that you will enjoy more.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2010 10:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Beginning this year, I had to pay extra to remain on my wife's insurance.  The 
cost of the extra was less than the cost of insurance through my employer, and 
as she's a teacher and under the public employees umbrella, the coverage was 
better than what I could get.



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual 
>> deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and 
>> hospitals.



This has often been standard for dual-income families.  Some organizations will 
let you waive coverage if you're already under a spouse's coverage.  But some 
will not, if the coverage is available to both parties separately.   This is 
true even in private sector.


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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by health 
insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer offers health 
insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I cannot have her on mine. 
I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual 
deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and 
hospitals.

But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of that.


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3 years, but 
from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state employees 
here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was evened out by 
a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has only gotten 
larger... and you're right about public opinion of public workers.  It's very 
sad that the general public around here thinks we the workers have had anything 
at all to do with the situation the state is in.

>>> "Kennedy, Jim" 
>>> mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> 
>>> 8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that 
article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word 
'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health 
care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector. But 
our pay has been traditionally lower.
What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health 
benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the 
recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get 
lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out of. 
Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the private 
sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times we get 3 
tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers 
pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when the 
private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is getting 
bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting next to 
nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the whole 
picture and get all the facts.


On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming" 
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>>>
 wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've seen 
suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal level and 18- 
20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent private-sector j

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Maglinger, Paul]

That's the way it is here.  If the spouse's employer has coverage
available that is less in cost than what we pay, the spouse has to take
that coverage.  It kind of sucks if your spouse is working part-time
just to have some extra cash, yet all of the paycheck would go for
health insurance that wouldn't be needed if they weren't working.  

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 9:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

>> I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have
dual deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different
doctors and hospitals.

 

This has often been standard for dual-income families.  Some
organizations will let you waive coverage if you're already under a
spouse's coverage.  But some will not, if the coverage is available to
both parties separately.   This is true even in private sector.



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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Kennedy, Jim
 wrote:

Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by
health insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer
offers health insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I
cannot have her on mine. I have never heard of families being forced to
split coverage, have dual deductibles and quite possibly being forced to
have different doctors and hospitals.

But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of
that.



-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3
years, but from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since
state employees here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5%
raise was evened out by a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative
gap here has only gotten larger... and you're right about public opinion
of public workers.  It's very sad that the general public around here
thinks we the workers have had anything at all to do with the situation
the state is in.

>>> "Kennedy, Jim"  8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of
that article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using
the word 'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement
and health care. All of which are traditionally much better than the
private sector. But our pay has been traditionally lower.
What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health
benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then
the recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and
get lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big
deal out of. Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises
while the private sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good
economic times we get 3 tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
The reality is that during difficult economic times us government
workers pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic
times when the private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and
everyone is getting bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we
are getting next to nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any
attention.
I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at
the whole picture and get all the facts.


On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming"
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>> wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of the country, then.  Latest I've
seen suggest that public-sector jobs pay twice as much at the federal
level and 18- 20% more at the state and local level than the equivalent
private-sector job.

= Included Stuff Follows = The Latest in The War
Between Public & Private Sector Workers: "The compensation gap between
federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade." - Hit & Run
: Reason Magazine

  Put down that coffee or soda before reading the latest of the massive
and
  growing gap between public and private sector compensation:

  Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit
  increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The
  compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in
  the past decade.

  Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of
  $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total
  compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data
  are the latest available.

  The federal compensatio

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Andrew S. Baker]

Even the most protected economies are hurting right now...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/business/global/17denmark.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

As
Ken said, make sure you're doing what you like (to the degree that you have
control over it).   Also, take every opportunity to become as good as you
can be.  It doesn't completely insulate you -- because the planet rarely
operates as a meritocracy -- but it does give you more options.


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On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> Florida has been hit hard by this economy and from where I was, I saw a lot
> of the last in first out layoffs.  That did not mean the best was kept and
> in fact most of the good ones seemed to be targeted.  The longer a lot of
> Florida state workers (not at the county or city levels but at the state
> level only) that I saw the less they did and the more they pushed off to the
> less experienced workers.  The people at the top liked to build pyramids
> under them.  This did several things.  Gave them more apparent power,
> protected them from their own lack of knowledge/skill/brains, and allowed
> them to point to someone else as the cause of the problem.
>
> Jon
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Joseph Heaton  wrote:
>
>> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector.  Everything I've
>> read/heard/etc. shows me around 25% below an "equal" position in private
>> sector.  Same goes for pretty much any IT job in the public sector.
>>
>> Here's the rub with private sector vs. public sector employment.  And this
>> will be my last comment, so as not to take this thread too much more OT.
>>  The main reason, in the past, that people went into public sector jobs was
>> for the security, and the retirement.  You got paid less, but in the end,
>> you would retire with a percentage of your final salary for the rest of your
>> life.  This is a great perk, in my opinion.  You also have to understand the
>> environments that public employees are working in.  For instance, DMV
>> employees, while you hear all kinds of stories of how they can be rude, deal
>> with the public directly, all day, and have to listen to people complain
>> about issues that the worker has nothing to do with, etc.  Bottom line,
>> there are a lot of public positions that are not "nice" jobs.  But people do
>> them, for "lower" salaries, working towards that retirement.  If the
>> state(s) go to a 401K type retirement, vs. the pension plans in place now,
>> that then eliminates the greatest reason for taking the lower paid public
>> sector job.  Imagine the type of person that you'll get then... you think
>> the quality of service is bad now... how many people can you think of that
>> will sit there and take the abuse that some public employees suffer, at
>> lower salaries, and lower benefits?  Something to think about, instead of
>> just blindly blaming the situation on state workers.
>>
>> That being said, I don't completely disagree with the comments being made
>> here.  The greatest Bane and Boon to state workers, in my opinion, are the
>> unions.  Bane, because (at least in my state), it is virtually impossible to
>> actually fire someone.  I don't object to downsizing/layoffs, etc.  I object
>> to how they are implemented.  I'll use my state as my example, again.  In
>> California, you have around 80% of the state workforce within 5 years of
>> retirement age.  The figures I've most commonly heard thrown around is a
>> desire to reduce the workforce by about 20%.  The method brought up in 2008
>> by our Governor?  Layoffs...  The way layoffs work in state work is that a
>> figure is attained, as to how many people are to get laid off.  These
>> layoffs come from the least senior people, i.e., the last hired (Last in,
>> first out).  Which means, if you layoff the lowest 20% of your workforce,
>> and the upper 80% is within 5 years of retirement, who's going to be doing
>> the work?  Who's going to process all the unemployment claims?  Who's going
>> to process your vehicle registration, your medical claims, etc.?  I don't
>> object to layoffs in general, but I think that agencies/departments should
>> be able to do layoffs based on performance, not how long their butt has been
>> in the chair.
>>
>> Anyway, I apologize if I've offended anyone, that is never my intention,
>> but, being a state worker, with less than 3 years in service, I think about
>> this stuff a lot... and worry about it a lot too.
>>
>> >>> Jacob  8/16/2010 2:42 PM >>>
>> Agree.. you are going to start seeing more 401K type retirements and
>> workers will start paying more into insurance. In about 5 years or less,
>> salaries and benefits of government jobs will equal private jobs.
>>
>> -Original

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Joseph Heaton]

Very good point, Ken.  I apologize to all for taking this thread way away 
from the original post.  Bottom line is:  Do what you love, love what you do.  
If the difference in compensation is only a few thousand per year, and either 
way isn't going to hurt you, then choose the one that you feel you'll enjoy 
more.  Would you enjoy the Project Management more, or the Delivery Manager 
position more?

>>> Ken Schaefer  8/17/2010 8:47 AM >>>
My advice - do what you enjoy. If you enjoy what you do, and you are good at 
it, then opportunities will always present themselves. If you are good at what 
you do - money (if you want it) will follow.

That doesn't mean sacrifice everything for marginal more enjoyment in 
employment, but if the difference is only a couple of thousand, then pick the 
job that you will enjoy more.

Cheers
Ken

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2010 10:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Beginning this year, I had to pay extra to remain on my wife's insurance.  The 
cost of the extra was less than the cost of insurance through my employer, and 
as she's a teacher and under the public employees umbrella, the coverage was 
better than what I could get.



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual 
>> deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and 
>> hospitals.



This has often been standard for dual-income families.  Some organizations will 
let you waive coverage if you're already under a spouse's coverage.  But some 
will not, if the coverage is available to both parties separately.   This is 
true even in private sector.


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On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
Good point. My 1 percent raise this year was offset and then some by health 
insurance increases. It was a net loss. And if my wifes employer offers health 
insurance to her (no matter what the cost to her is) I cannot have her on mine. 
I have never heard of families being forced to split coverage, have dual 
deductibles and quite possibly being forced to have different doctors and 
hospitals.

But when the local paper published my salary they didn't mention any of that.


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Wow Jim, you get raises?  I've only been with the state for almost 3 years, but 
from what I've been told, it's been like 7 or 8 years since state employees 
here in California have gotten raises.  And the last 5% raise was evened out by 
a 5% increase in benefit premiums.  The negative gap here has only gotten 
larger... and you're right about public opinion of public workers.  It's very 
sad that the general public around here thinks we the workers have had anything 
at all to do with the situation the state is in.

>>> "Kennedy, Jim" 
>>> mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> 
>>> 8/17/2010 5:37 AM >>>
Not giving you a hard time here, just pointing out the finer points of that 
article. They are using the word 'compensation' and you are using the word 
'pay'.  Yep, our compensation includes the vacation, retirement and health 
care. All of which are traditionally much better than the private sector. But 
our pay has been traditionally lower.
What has happened over the last 5 to 10 years is the value of the health 
benefits has goon up dramatically so that has narrowed that gap. Then the 
recent economic disaster has caused private sector pay to freeze and get 
lowered. That is what has created the gap the news is making a big deal out of. 
Yep, we are still getting our yearly 1 or 2 percent raises while the private 
sector gets nothing or is getting cuts. In the good economic times we get 3 
tops and private sector people are getting 5+.
The reality is that during difficult economic times us government workers 
pretty much always get accused of this. But during good economic times when the 
private sector pay is growing by leaps and bounds and everyone is getting 
bonuses and profit charing nobody points out that we are getting next to 
nothing, and the news and the public don't pay any attention.
I believe it all evens out, more or less. People just need to look at the whole 
picture and get all the facts.


On Aug 17, 2010 12:46 AM, "Angus Scott-Fleming" 
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>>>
 wrote:

On 16 Aug 2010 at 15:08, Joseph Heaton wrote:

> I wish my salary was equal to the private sector. ...
Must be different in IT vs the rest of th

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Ken Schaefer]

Denmark has the benefit of an extremely flexible labour market - it's small 
economy where benefits are good, but workers acknowledge the need for 
flexibility. There is very little long-term unemployment in Denmark. They will 
bounce back fairly quickly.

>From my personal perspective - in the last few months I went from a Tier 1 
>consulting firm to an architecture position on an enterprise project (in 
>another country). This project is crying out for good people. Worldwide, there 
>are plenty of opportunities, as various companies and governments still have 
>money to spend.

If you want to spend your life living in  then that will limit the 
opportunities available. It may be better to seek something further afield if 
the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can compensate you for the cost 
in moving)

Cheers
Ken


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 12:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Even the most protected economies are hurting right now...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/business/global/17denmark.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

As Ken said, make sure you're doing what you like (to the degree that you have 
control over it).   Also, take every opportunity to become as good as you can 
be.  It doesn't completely insulate you -- because the planet rarely operates 
as a meritocracy -- but it does give you more options.

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On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Jon Harris 
mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Florida has been hit hard by this economy and from where I was, I saw a lot of 
the last in first out layoffs.  That did not mean the best was kept and in fact 
most of the good ones seemed to be targeted.  The longer a lot of Florida state 
workers (not at the county or city levels but at the state level only) that I 
saw the less they did and the more they pushed off to the less experienced 
workers.  The people at the top liked to build pyramids under them.  This did 
several things.  Gave them more apparent power, protected them from their own 
lack of knowledge/skill/brains, and allowed them to point to someone else as 
the cause of the problem.

Jon
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Joseph Heaton 
mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov>> wrote:
I wish my salary was equal to the private sector.  Everything I've 
read/heard/etc. shows me around 25% below an "equal" position in private 
sector.  Same goes for pretty much any IT job in the public sector.

Here's the rub with private sector vs. public sector employment.  And this will 
be my last comment, so as not to take this thread too much more OT.  The main 
reason, in the past, that people went into public sector jobs was for the 
security, and the retirement.  You got paid less, but in the end, you would 
retire with a percentage of your final salary for the rest of your life.  This 
is a great perk, in my opinion.  You also have to understand the environments 
that public employees are working in.  For instance, DMV employees, while you 
hear all kinds of stories of how they can be rude, deal with the public 
directly, all day, and have to listen to people complain about issues that the 
worker has nothing to do with, etc.  Bottom line, there are a lot of public 
positions that are not "nice" jobs.  But people do them, for "lower" salaries, 
working towards that retirement.  If the state(s) go to a 401K type retirement, 
vs. the pension plans in place now, that then eliminates the greatest reason 
for taking the lower paid public sector job.  Imagine the type of person that 
you'll get then... you think the quality of service is bad now... how many 
people can you think of that will sit there and take the abuse that some public 
employees suffer, at lower salaries, and lower benefits?  Something to think 
about, instead of just blindly blaming the situation on state workers.

That being said, I don't completely disagree with the comments being made here. 
 The greatest Bane and Boon to state workers, in my opinion, are the unions.  
Bane, because (at least in my state), it is virtually impossible to actually 
fire someone.  I don't object to downsizing/layoffs, etc.  I object to how they 
are implemented.  I'll use my state as my example, again.  In California, you 
have around 80% of the state workforce within 5 years of retirement age.  The 
figures I've most commonly heard thrown around is a desire to reduce the 
workforce by about 20%.  The method brought up in 2008 by our Governor?  
Layoffs...  The way layoffs work in state work is that a figure is attained, as 
to how many people are to get laid off.  These layoffs come from the least 
senior people, i.e., the last hired (Last in, first out).  Which means, if you 
layoff the lowest 20% of your workforce, and the upper 80% is within 5 yea

Dell - IDRAC6 Enterprise vs IDRAC6 Express

[Fred Sawyer]

Is anyone using either the IDRAC6 Enterprise or Express.  From what I am 
reading the Express card offers a basic web-interface that can be used to 
remotely reboot that machine.  Where the Enterprise version offers remote 
ability to mount media as well as direct console access.  

I am trying to figure out how reliable the Enterprise card is for remotely 
supporting a server.  From a cost analysis the IDRAC Enterprise options is more 
affordable then a TCP/IP KVM such as a Raritan.  

All feedback is greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Fred

..
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Cannot update schema to 2008

[David Lum]

We are having this exact issue:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/7f9dae5b-5eb1-4f7a-b02a-20777db3f6ae

This guy had to call Microsoft to get it resolved - has anyone here seen/had 
this issue upgrading to 2008 DC's?
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NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
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RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Ziots, Edward]

Good views, defintely been lurking and following this thread. Some of
us, are stuck for certain reasons in the place we live, or within the
area that we have put down roots (for those that are married, having
extended family, or own a home, or any combination of the three and
other circumstances) and don't have the flexibility, to be single, and
globetrot the world in search of the latest big project to work on in a
global environment, for those so career inclined and focus, then
definitely follow your dreams and go for it, nothing is stopping you,
and the experience will be something you can be proud of. 

 

As for the situation in Denmark, it's a much different story in the
states as most know, so comparing Denmark to US or even UK is like
comparing apples to oranges and might not be a fair comparison. 

 

There are pro's and con's in any job or position, but I truly believe
this above all else. If you work on a good team, and each member of the
team has your back and you have their's when the stuff gets deep, that
counts for a lot. If you are constantly challenged in your job, and you
feel you are at least moving ahead a little bit career wise, then that
is also a good thing. 

 

My view is your don't always take a job for the money, its about career
advancement and the impact that your skills and experience bring to the
new job. There is always going to be new challenges, new people to meet,
and build a team environment with, and the
organization/business/industry you are looking into should weight
equally. 

 

Work/Life Balance, and benefits I believe these days are trumping the
insane amounts of money that was throw at prospective employees (Salary,
raises, bonus) back in the .COM era and before the stock market bust.
There is a new global reality coming about, and a lot of the job loss
that has happened might not be made up in the next 10-15 yrs or if at
all, no matter what the gov't tells us, and no matter which govt it is
spitting the rhetoric. 

 

Just my two cents, agree or disagree its well within your rights,
because everyones situation is different and needs are different, but in
the end all the money in the world isn't going to make you happy, and
you certainly can't take it with you to the flipside J 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Network Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Denmark has the benefit of an extremely flexible labour market - it's
small economy where benefits are good, but workers acknowledge the need
for flexibility. There is very little long-term unemployment in Denmark.
They will bounce back fairly quickly.

 

>From my personal perspective - in the last few months I went from a Tier
1 consulting firm to an architecture position on an enterprise project
(in another country). This project is crying out for good people.
Worldwide, there are plenty of opportunities, as various companies and
governments still have money to spend.

 

If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
compensate you for the cost in moving)

 

Cheers

Ken

 

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 12:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Even the most protected economies are hurting right now...

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/business/global/17denmark.html?_r=1&pa
rtner=rss&emc=rss

 

As Ken said, make sure you're doing what you like (to the degree that
you have control over it).   Also, take every opportunity to become as
good as you can be.  It doesn't completely insulate you -- because the
planet rarely operates as a meritocracy -- but it does give you more
options.


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On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Jon Harris  wrote:

Florida has been hit hard by this economy and from where I was, I saw a
lot of the last in first out layoffs.  That did not mean the best was
kept and in fact most of the good ones seemed to be targeted.  The
longer a lot of Florida state workers (not at the county or city levels
but at the state level only) that I saw the less they did and the more
they pushed off to the less experienced workers.  The people at the top
liked to build pyramids under them.  This did several things.  Gave them
more apparent power, protected them from their own lack of
knowledge/skill/brains, and allowed them to point to someone else as the
cause of the problem.

 

Jon

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Joseph Heaton 
wrote:

I wish my salary w

Re: Dell - IDRAC6 Enterprise vs IDRAC6 Express

[Sean Martin]

We primarily use out-of-band features within the Dell Blade Chassis, which
is great, but we also have a few stand-alone servers with iDRACs. They are
definitely handy to have, especially with the ability to mount virtual
media. I have experienced a handful of issues with servers not booting,
hardware errors, etc. (over many years) that was a result of a bad DRAC, but
not enough to sway me from using them.

If mounting virtual media is not a requirement, I would look again at the
cost comparison between IP KVMs and individual DRACs for each server. I
don't know what the exact costs are for DRACs, but I dont think a 16 port IP
KVM would cost much more than 16 DRACs. You also need to factor in a
dedicated switch port for the DRAC vs. a single port an IP KVM.

Centralized management may be another consideration. I think some of the IP
KVM offerings allow multiple switches to be daisy chained that can be
managed through a single interface.

- Sean

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Fred Sawyer wrote:

> Is anyone using either the IDRAC6 Enterprise or Express.  From what I am
> reading the Express card offers a basic web-interface that can be used to
> remotely reboot that machine.  Where the Enterprise version offers remote
> ability to mount media as well as direct console access.
>
> I am trying to figure out how reliable the Enterprise card is for remotely
> supporting a server.  From a cost analysis the IDRAC Enterprise options is
> more affordable then a TCP/IP KVM such as a Raritan.
>
> All feedback is greatly appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred
>
> ..
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

[Michael B. Smith]

The answer from Paul_f_ at the very end looks appropriate to me.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot update schema to 2008

We are having this exact issue:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/7f9dae5b-5eb1-4f7a-b02a-20777db3f6ae

This guy had to call Microsoft to get it resolved - has anyone here seen/had 
this issue upgrading to 2008 DC's?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Dell - IDRAC6 Enterprise vs IDRAC6 Express

[Osborne, Richard]

Agreed; the ability to mount media is very handy to setup servers
remotely and the KVM doesn't get you that.

 

You don't need a separate network port for the DRAC nowadays.  You can
assign it a different IP address but use one port for it and the live
NIC.  Of course, if that link goes bad you're out of luck.

 

The DRAC remote console is quite a bit snapper than the Dell (Avocent)
KVM one.

 

I have not seen any issues with reliability on either flavor of DRAC.

 

Buy both unless your budget is really tight!

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Dell - IDRAC6 Enterprise vs IDRAC6 Express

 

We primarily use out-of-band features within the Dell Blade Chassis,
which is great, but we also have a few stand-alone servers with iDRACs.
They are definitely handy to have, especially with the ability to mount
virtual media. I have experienced a handful of issues with servers not
booting, hardware errors, etc. (over many years) that was a result of a
bad DRAC, but not enough to sway me from using them.

 

If mounting virtual media is not a requirement, I would look again at
the cost comparison between IP KVMs and individual DRACs for each
server. I don't know what the exact costs are for DRACs, but I dont
think a 16 port IP KVM would cost much more than 16 DRACs. You also need
to factor in a dedicated switch port for the DRAC vs. a single port an
IP KVM. 

 

Centralized management may be another consideration. I think some of the
IP KVM offerings allow multiple switches to be daisy chained that can be
managed through a single interface. 

 

- Sean 

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Fred Sawyer
 wrote:

Is anyone using either the IDRAC6 Enterprise or Express.  From what I am
reading the Express card offers a basic web-interface that can be used
to remotely reboot that machine.  Where the Enterprise version offers
remote ability to mount media as well as direct console access.

I am trying to figure out how reliable the Enterprise card is for
remotely supporting a server.  From a cost analysis the IDRAC Enterprise
options is more affordable then a TCP/IP KVM such as a Raritan.

All feedback is greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Fred

..
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

SCCM 2007 books

[Joseph Heaton]

Was wondering if anyone had good references for a good, get-your-feet-wet type 
of book for SCCM 2007.  I have access to a couple online, but would like other 
opinions as well.

What I have access to:

System Center Configuration Manager 2007 Unleashed - Kerrie Meyler; Byrono 
Holt; Greg Ramsey

Mastering System Center Configuration Manager 2007 R2 - Chris Mosby; Ron D. 
Crumbaker; Christopher W. Urban

Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager 2007 Administrator's Companion - 
Steven D. Kaczmarek; Microsoft System Center Team


Anyone deal with any of these?  Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Joe Heaton
Department of Fish & Game



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Dell - IDRAC6 Enterprise vs IDRAC6 Express

[Sean Martin]

Thanks for the clarification. Most of our stand-alone systems with DRACs are
earlier generation Dells. We primarily use Blade systems now.

We started using Tripplite IP KVMs in our racks with legacy equipment.
They're probably not as nice or feature rich as some of the Avocent models,
but if I remember correctly, they were signficantly cheaper. We're now
replacing all of our KVMs with the IP models through attrition.

You can never have too many options for out-of-band management!

- Sean

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Osborne, Richard
wrote:

>  Agreed; the ability to mount media is very handy to setup servers
> remotely and the KVM doesn’t get you that.
>
>
>
> You don’t need a separate network port for the DRAC nowadays.  You can
> assign it a different IP address but use one port for it and the live NIC.
> Of course, if that link goes bad you’re out of luck.
>
>
>
> The DRAC remote console is quite a bit snapper than the Dell (Avocent) KVM
> one.
>
>
>
> I have not seen any issues with reliability on either flavor of DRAC.
>
>
>
> Buy both unless your budget is really tight!
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:53 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Dell - IDRAC6 Enterprise vs IDRAC6 Express
>
>
>
> We primarily use out-of-band features within the Dell Blade Chassis, which
> is great, but we also have a few stand-alone servers with iDRACs. They are
> definitely handy to have, especially with the ability to mount virtual
> media. I have experienced a handful of issues with servers not booting,
> hardware errors, etc. (over many years) that was a result of a bad DRAC, but
> not enough to sway me from using them.
>
>
>
> If mounting virtual media is not a requirement, I would look again at the
> cost comparison between IP KVMs and individual DRACs for each server. I
> don't know what the exact costs are for DRACs, but I dont think a 16 port IP
> KVM would cost much more than 16 DRACs. You also need to factor in a
> dedicated switch port for the DRAC vs. a single port an IP KVM.
>
>
>
> Centralized management may be another consideration. I think some of the IP
> KVM offerings allow multiple switches to be daisy chained that can be
> managed through a single interface.
>
>
>
> - Sean
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Fred Sawyer 
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone using either the IDRAC6 Enterprise or Express.  From what I am
> reading the Express card offers a basic web-interface that can be used to
> remotely reboot that machine.  Where the Enterprise version offers remote
> ability to mount media as well as direct console access.
>
> I am trying to figure out how reliable the Enterprise card is for remotely
> supporting a server.  From a cost analysis the IDRAC Enterprise options is
> more affordable then a TCP/IP KVM such as a Raritan.
>
> All feedback is greatly appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred
>
> ..
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Dell - IDRAC6 Enterprise vs IDRAC6 Express

[Malcolm Reitz]

We've found the remote media mount to be very useful. We have rebuilt
servers remotely just via the DRAC. The DRACs, on a whole, have been quite
reliable for us.

-Malcolm

-Original Message-
From: Fred Sawyer [mailto:fr...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:40
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Dell - IDRAC6 Enterprise vs IDRAC6 Express

Is anyone using either the IDRAC6 Enterprise or Express.  From what I am
reading the Express card offers a basic web-interface that can be used to
remotely reboot that machine.  Where the Enterprise version offers remote
ability to mount media as well as direct console access.  

I am trying to figure out how reliable the Enterprise card is for remotely
supporting a server.  From a cost analysis the IDRAC Enterprise options is
more affordable then a TCP/IP KVM such as a Raritan.  

All feedback is greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Fred

..
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Outsourcing, was Career Job Advice

[Don Kuhlman]

Yep - it's all in the wording...



- Original Message 
From: Brian Desmond 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 4:47:14 PM
Subject: RE: Off topic - Outsourcing, was Career Job Advice

So the key here is that position != job. The wording is very careful to use the 
term position because while your position is being eliminated, another position 
has been opened elsewhere. It's not the same position, but it will have similar 
responsibilities as written in the job description.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 4:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Outsourcing, was Career Job Advice

You got it Joe. The funny thing is on my letter from them, it says my position 
is being eliminated. If so, then why are we training people overseas to do a 
job 
that is "being eliminated"?

They like to wrap all kinds of nice words around what they're doing(RIF, 
re-org, 
downsize, rightsize, outsource, managed services), but it still boils down to 
where they can maximize the bottom line and accordingly, the executive's bonus 
for making the bottom line look better without actually increasing the top 
line.  I looked at the financials for the company after the employees were 
moved 
off the payroll and it certainly improved, but it wasn't due to some huge 
increase in business that was done...

Sorry for venting folks...



- Original Message 
From: Joseph Heaton 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 3:52:55 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Seems like a large amount of gall there, Don.  "We're laying you off, but we'd 
like you to train your replacement."  



Real inspiring prospect there...  my neighbor said the same thing happened to 
some of her coworkers.  She works for a local newspaper, and they are shipping 
some function overseas, and wanted this person to stick around for a couple 
months to train the people overseas...

>>> Don Kuhlman  8/16/2010 1:15 PM >>>
If you're looking for long term, I think the public sector job has more promise 
(benefits, pension) and stability.

I mention the stability piece because, as others have said, I have been 
outsourced after 20 years with the company and have been asked to train our 
replacements.

So my opinion comes from that background vs a younger person's point of view 
that might be different depending on your goals.

Don K




From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 8:28:58 AM
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice


Benefits has their benefits.  J
Unless you different than 99% of the people out there and have the discipline 
to 


put money away on your own for retirement, a job that offers a pension or 401K 
is really nice to have.  Health insurance is a benefit and although the rules 
for US health care is changing, you still want to maintain health care coverage 
throughout.  


From:Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Congrats on having options.  You're doing better than many.

Without any other information, I would rate the first job better than the 
second 


for the following reasons:
    * Benefits: Job #2 has no pension/other benefits  (the "few thousand more" 
doesn't make up for that)
    * Control/Influence: Both positions involve working with reports, but you 
have 

less control in the second role
    * Stability: With only a few thousand  difference, I would take a 
public sector job with its attendant stability over a private sector job 
    * Better Quality of Life: There are many more things that a Project Manager 
cannot delegate to anyone else, that an Infrastructure Delivery Manager can.
What other research have you done into both opportunities that can help you?

If you know people in either situation, this is potentially (and only 
potentially) and advantage.


ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...

Signature powered by WiseStamp 

On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:34 AM, Andy  wrote:
Hello
I'm currently a Infrastructure and Support manager for a mid size (1000 
employees) retail company. My job basically means I manage a team off 8 people 
and look after the service desk and support team, manage our external contracts 
and run any infrastructure projects we have eg WAN upgrades/Server 
consolidations etc... Anyway I've been looking to leave and have been offered 2 
jobs. One is in the public sector as a Infrastructure Delivery Manager. The job 
involves managing a team of 20, with 3 direct reports, creating KPIs, improving 
uptime etc.. While the other one is a Infrastructure Project Manager for a 
private firm. The job involves running all infrastructure projects, no direct 
reports.

Both jobs are good ones, 

RE: SCCM 2007 books

[Rod Trent]

Companion is probably your best bet for the get-your-feet-wet type.  

But, the docs team at MS has done an extraordinary job with the product docs
and they are constantly updated.

Updated in July:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=71816b0f-de06-40e0-
bce7-ad4b1e4377bb&displaylang=en

And...the new SuperFlows is extremely nice, with walk-throughs for most
anything you want to do:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff385001.aspx 

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: SCCM 2007 books

Was wondering if anyone had good references for a good, get-your-feet-wet
type of book for SCCM 2007.  I have access to a couple online, but would
like other opinions as well.

What I have access to:

System Center Configuration Manager 2007 Unleashed - Kerrie Meyler; Byrono
Holt; Greg Ramsey

Mastering System Center Configuration Manager 2007 R2 - Chris Mosby; Ron D.
Crumbaker; Christopher W. Urban

Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager 2007 Administrator's Companion
- Steven D. Kaczmarek; Microsoft System Center Team


Anyone deal with any of these?  Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

Joe Heaton
Department of Fish & Game



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

[David Lum]

Kind of what I was afraid of - problem is we have no clue if/what it'll break. 
We have a fair number if 'nix machines talking to AD.

Thanks,
Dave

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

The answer from Paul_f_ at the very end looks appropriate to me.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot update schema to 2008

We are having this exact issue:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/7f9dae5b-5eb1-4f7a-b02a-20777db3f6ae

This guy had to call Microsoft to get it resolved - has anyone here seen/had 
this issue upgrading to 2008 DC's?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764










~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

[Michael B. Smith]

Are you still running Services for Unix version 2 anywhere? That's what those 
attributes are for.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

Kind of what I was afraid of - problem is we have no clue if/what it'll break. 
We have a fair number if 'nix machines talking to AD.

Thanks,
Dave

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

The answer from Paul_f_ at the very end looks appropriate to me.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot update schema to 2008

We are having this exact issue:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/7f9dae5b-5eb1-4f7a-b02a-20777db3f6ae

This guy had to call Microsoft to get it resolved - has anyone here seen/had 
this issue upgrading to 2008 DC's?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764














~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
> compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken & 

I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along ;-)

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Jon Harris]

Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote:

> On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> > If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
> > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &
>
> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
> ;-)
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>  ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[John Leto]

Texas. Bring all the guns you want and NO state income tax here either!
Yee haw.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the
income tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing
people in.

 

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:

On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you want to spend your life living in  then that
will
> limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can

> compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &

I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection
along ;-)


--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Andy Shook]

Texas...it's a dry heat.

Shook

From: John Leto [mailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Texas. Bring all the guns you want and NO state income tax here either! Yee haw.

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income tax 
in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.

Jon
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
mailto:angu...@geoapps.com>> wrote:
On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
> compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &

I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along ;-)

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~










~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Jonathan Link]

Yeah, but your property taxes are pretty nasty...

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, John Leto wrote:

>  Texas. Bring all the guns you want and NO state income tax here either!
> Yee haw.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>
>
>
> Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
> tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
> wrote:
>
> On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> > If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
>
> > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &
>
> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
> ;-)
>
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[John Leto]

Not if you live in the "hood" like I do -)

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Yeah, but your property taxes are pretty nasty...

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, John Leto 
wrote:

Texas. Bring all the guns you want and NO state income tax here either!
Yee haw.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:28 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the
income tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing
people in.

 

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:

On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you want to spend your life living in  then that
will
> limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can

> compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &

I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection
along ;-)


--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[John Aldrich]

Tennessee is pretty good, although I don't know what the job market is like.
I do know that they only charge like $25/year for car registration, and
there's no state income tax. OTOH, the sales tax is like 9.75%. L

 

Do NOT come to Georgia. the low sales tax is balanced out by the property
taxes. L OTOH, I don't think anyone will mind you carrying a few guns.. We
even have an easy-to-get concealed-carry permit. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.

 

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
wrote:

On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can

> compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &

I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
;-)


--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~<><>

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Joseph Heaton]

Our sales tax is 8.75% at the moment, and car registration is pretty high.  It 
was around $200 for my '05 Chevy Classic (the older "new" Malibu body style)

>>> John Aldrich  8/17/2010 12:48 PM >>>
Tennessee is pretty good, although I don't know what the job market is like.
I do know that they only charge like $25/year for car registration, and
there's no state income tax. OTOH, the sales tax is like 9.75%. L

 

Do NOT come to Georgia. the low sales tax is balanced out by the property
taxes. L OTOH, I don't think anyone will mind you carrying a few guns.. We
even have an easy-to-get concealed-carry permit. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.

 

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
wrote:

On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can

> compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &

I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
;-)


--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ 





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

~   ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC USA]

Thus, the need for the guns..

 

From: John Leto [mailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Not if you live in the "hood" like I do -)

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Yeah, but your property taxes are pretty nasty...

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, John Leto 
wrote:

Texas. Bring all the guns you want and NO state income tax here either! Yee
haw.

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:28 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

 

Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.

 

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
wrote:

On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can

> compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &

I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
;-)


--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~

~   ~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

[David Lum]

Running them yes, but how would we know if we're *using* them? I'm guessing 
what gets done is defunct them and install/use a later version of Services for 
Unix, right?

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

Are you still running Services for Unix version 2 anywhere? That's what those 
attributes are for.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

Kind of what I was afraid of - problem is we have no clue if/what it'll break. 
We have a fair number if 'nix machines talking to AD.

Thanks,
Dave

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

The answer from Paul_f_ at the very end looks appropriate to me.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot update schema to 2008

We are having this exact issue:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/7f9dae5b-5eb1-4f7a-b02a-20777db3f6ae

This guy had to call Microsoft to get it resolved - has anyone here seen/had 
this issue upgrading to 2008 DC's?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Jonathan Link]

Here's a dated article, probably still acurate, because not much has changed
since it was research and written.
Your real tax rate is
40%.

The actual study might be
here.



On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Fogarty, Richard R Mr CTR USA USASOC USA <
rick.foga...@us.army.mil> wrote:

>  Thus, the need for the guns….
>
>
>
> *From:* John Leto [mailto:jo...@colonialsavings.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:34 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>
>
>
> Not if you live in the “hood” like I do -)
>
>
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:33 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>
>
>
> Yeah, but your property taxes are pretty nasty...
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, John Leto 
> wrote:
>
> Texas. Bring all the guns you want and NO state income tax here either! Yee
> haw.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:28 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>
>
>
> Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
> tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
> wrote:
>
> On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> > If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
>
> > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &
>
> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
> ;-)
>
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
> ~   ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

[Maglinger, Paul]

Are  you running a mixed environment of UNIX and Windows machines?  Any
NFS shares?

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

 

Running them yes, but how would we know if we're *using* them? I'm
guessing what gets done is defunct them and install/use a later version
of Services for Unix, right?

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

 

Are you still running Services for Unix version 2 anywhere? That's what
those attributes are for.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

 

Kind of what I was afraid of - problem is we have no clue if/what it'll
break. We have a fair number if 'nix machines talking to AD.

 

Thanks,

Dave

 

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

 

The answer from Paul_f_ at the very end looks appropriate to me.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot update schema to 2008

 

We are having this exact issue:

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/7f9d
ae5b-5eb1-4f7a-b02a-20777db3f6ae

 

This guy had to call Microsoft to get it resolved - has anyone here
seen/had this issue upgrading to 2008 DC's?

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

[Michael B. Smith]

SFU v3 was free, and then there was at least one update to SFU v3.1 - maybe two.

Now, SFU is built-in (with various functions spread out among a number of roles 
and features, but primarily the feature known as "Subsystem for UNIX-based 
Applications") and the attributes are in the mainstream AD.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 4:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

Running them yes, but how would we know if we're *using* them? I'm guessing 
what gets done is defunct them and install/use a later version of Services for 
Unix, right?

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

Are you still running Services for Unix version 2 anywhere? That's what those 
attributes are for.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

Kind of what I was afraid of - problem is we have no clue if/what it'll break. 
We have a fair number if 'nix machines talking to AD.

Thanks,
Dave

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

The answer from Paul_f_ at the very end looks appropriate to me.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot update schema to 2008

We are having this exact issue:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/7f9dae5b-5eb1-4f7a-b02a-20777db3f6ae

This guy had to call Microsoft to get it resolved - has anyone here seen/had 
this issue upgrading to 2008 DC's?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764






















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

[Brian Desmond]

I've heard from a couple places stories of whatever Unix integration package 
they're using automatically starting to use new SFU/Unix related attributes 
when they were imported instead of the legacy ones and everything blowing up 
because the attributes were subsequently blank. I'd do some investigation in to 
how your integration package works.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

Kind of what I was afraid of - problem is we have no clue if/what it'll break. 
We have a fair number if 'nix machines talking to AD.

Thanks,
Dave

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot update schema to 2008

The answer from Paul_f_ at the very end looks appropriate to me.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot update schema to 2008

We are having this exact issue:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/winserverDS/thread/7f9dae5b-5eb1-4f7a-b02a-20777db3f6ae

This guy had to call Microsoft to get it resolved - has anyone here seen/had 
this issue upgrading to 2008 DC's?
David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764














~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Sean Martin]

Come to Anchorage Alaska!

No income tax, no sales tax and an annual Permanent Fund Dividend Check!

Property taxes in Anchorage are a little steep. The mill levy in Anchorage
is based on district. In 2010, it ranged mostly from 10.56 - 15.55. Using a
mill levy of 15.00 means for every $100,000 of assessed value, you pay $1500
in property taxes annually.

- Sean

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
> tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.
>
> Jon
>
>   On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming <
> angu...@geoapps.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>>
>> > If you want to spend your life living in  then that
>> will
>> > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
>> > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
>> > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &
>>
>> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
>> ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Angus Scott-Fleming
>> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
>> 1-520-290-5038
>> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>  ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Vicky Spelshaus]

$100,000 of assessed value, you pay $1500 in property taxes annually.
That's all?   I'm moving!

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Sean Martin  wrote:

> Come to Anchorage Alaska!
>
> No income tax, no sales tax and an annual Permanent Fund Dividend Check!
>
> Property taxes in Anchorage are a little steep. The mill levy in Anchorage
> is based on district. In 2010, it ranged mostly from 10.56 - 15.55. Using a
> mill levy of 15.00 means for every $100,000 of assessed value, you pay $1500
> in property taxes annually.
>
> - Sean
>
>   On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jon Harris wrote:
>
>> Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the
>> income tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people
>> in.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>   On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming <
>> angu...@geoapps.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>>>
>>> > If you want to spend your life living in  then that
>>> will
>>> > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
>>> > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
>>> > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &
>>>
>>> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Angus Scott-Fleming
>>> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
>>> 1-520-290-5038
>>> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>>   ~   ~
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Organization and good planning are just crutches for people that can't
handle stress and caffeine. - unknown

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Joseph Heaton]

How's the weather up there?  Is it really bad in winter, or manageable?  How's 
the job market?

>>> Sean Martin  8/17/2010 2:25 PM >>>
Come to Anchorage Alaska!

No income tax, no sales tax and an annual Permanent Fund Dividend Check!

Property taxes in Anchorage are a little steep. The mill levy in Anchorage
is based on district. In 2010, it ranged mostly from 10.56 - 15.55. Using a
mill levy of 15.00 means for every $100,000 of assessed value, you pay $1500
in property taxes annually.

- Sean

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jon Harris  wrote:

> Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
> tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.
>
> Jon
>
>   On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming <
> angu...@geoapps.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>>
>> > If you want to spend your life living in  then that
>> will
>> > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
>> > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
>> > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &
>>
>> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
>> ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Angus Scott-Fleming
>> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
>> 1-520-290-5038
>> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/ 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>  ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Sean Martin]

Don't pack your bags just yet. Housing prices in Anchorage are pretty steep.
I live in a 1300Sq ft Site Condo that was assessed at $196,000 and would
probably appraise at around $210,000. It's a 2 car garage, 3 bd rm, 1 3/4
bath. If you need/want a decent size single family home with even a marginal
amount of land, expect to pay around $300,000 or more

It's not uncommon for people to live in Sarah Palin's neck of the woods
(Wasilla/Palmer), which is about 50 miles north of Anchorage, and commute to
work. You can still get a lot more house and at least .5 - 1 acre of land
for a fairly reasonable price. $220,000 - $270,000 could probably get you up
to 2500 sq ft. Although that are has been booming the last few years as
well.

- Sean

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Vicky Spelshaus
wrote:

> $100,000 of assessed value, you pay $1500 in property taxes annually.
> That's all?   I'm moving!
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Sean Martin wrote:
>
>> Come to Anchorage Alaska!
>>
>> No income tax, no sales tax and an annual Permanent Fund Dividend Check!
>>
>> Property taxes in Anchorage are a little steep. The mill levy in Anchorage
>> is based on district. In 2010, it ranged mostly from 10.56 - 15.55. Using a
>> mill levy of 15.00 means for every $100,000 of assessed value, you pay $1500
>> in property taxes annually.
>>
>> - Sean
>>
>>   On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jon Harris wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the
>>> income tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people
>>> in.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>   On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming <
>>> angu...@geoapps.com> wrote:
>>>
 On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

 > If you want to spend your life living in  then that
 will
 > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
 > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
 > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &

 I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection
 along ;-)

 --
 Angus Scott-Fleming
 GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
 1-520-290-5038
 Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
  ~   ~

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> --
> Organization and good planning are just crutches for people that can't
> handle stress and caffeine. - unknown
>
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>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Sean Martin]

The winters in Anchorage are fairly mild. We do get cold snaps occassionally
-10/-20 but it's certainly not the norm. Low teens to mid 20s could probably
be considered average. The last few years it has been even more mild (high
20s/lower 30s).

If you enjoy winter activities then the winters shouldn't be too rough. I do
hear a lot that people have a hard time with the winter day light hours (or
lack of). You go to work in the dark and go home in the dark, but it's just
the opposite in the summer (tee times at midnight are great!).
The job market? Well, I'm pretty comfortable with the position I'm in so I
haven't paid a whole lot of attention. I can tell you that we've had
problems hiring experienced staff in the past (which could indicate that
good people are keeping their jobs), but we recently opened several new
positions and according to my manager, had quite a few very eligible
applicants. Take that as you will.

- Sean
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Joseph Heaton  wrote:

> How's the weather up there?  Is it really bad in winter, or manageable?
>  How's the job market?
>
> >>> Sean Martin  8/17/2010 2:25 PM >>>
>  Come to Anchorage Alaska!
>
> No income tax, no sales tax and an annual Permanent Fund Dividend Check!
>
> Property taxes in Anchorage are a little steep. The mill levy in Anchorage
> is based on district. In 2010, it ranged mostly from 10.56 - 15.55. Using a
> mill levy of 15.00 means for every $100,000 of assessed value, you pay
> $1500
> in property taxes annually.
>
> - Sean
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>
> > Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the
> income
> > tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >   On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming <
> > angu...@geoapps.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> >>
> >> > If you want to spend your life living in  then that
> >> will
> >> > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> >> > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
> >> > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &
> >>
> >> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection
> along
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Angus Scott-Fleming
> >> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> >> 1-520-290-5038
> >> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >>  ~   ~
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:48 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
> Do NOT come to Georgia… the low sales tax is balanced out by the property 
> taxes.

  You're going to find this pretty much everywhere.  For a given set
of government services, there is going to be a cost, and that cost is
going to be paid somehow, be it property, income, sales, or some other
tax.  TANSTAAFL.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming
 wrote:
>>     If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
>
> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along ;-)

  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.  No state
income or sales tax; it's all property taxes.  (Which are
correspondingly higher, of course, but at least it's a simpler
system.)  Some tech industry in-state, and a fair amount within
practical daily commute in Mass.  Fairly permissive gun control laws.
The state statute on control of rifles and shotguns reads, in its
entirety:

"Repealed."

  (http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/NHTOC/NHTOC-XII-159-A.htm)

-- Ben

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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.

P.S.: Oh, and we have actual seasons.  ;-)

-- Ben

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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Sean Martin]

Only two seasons in AlaskaWinter and Construction.

- Sean

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
> >  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.
>
> P.S.: Oh, and we have actual seasons.  ;-)
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Sean Martin  wrote:
>>>  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.
>>
>> P.S.: Oh, and we have actual seasons.  ;-)
>
> Only two seasons in AlaskaWinter and Construction.

  We have Winter, Mud, Mosquito, and Tourist.  Winter is longer than
the other three combined.

  (Hey, I never said they were *good* seasons.)

-- Ben

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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Jon Harris]

To close to Florida and too much heat but it is on my short list for
retirement.  I have family in Oklahoma.

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:30 PM, John Leto wrote:

>  Texas. Bring all the guns you want and NO state income tax here either!
> Yee haw.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:28 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>
>
>
> Maybe the northern and north-western terr of states?  Except for the income
> tax in a couple of them they seem to be friendly to bringing people in.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming 
> wrote:
>
> On 17 Aug 2010 at 17:22, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
>
> > If you want to spend your life living in  then that will
> > limit the opportunities available. It may be better to seek something
> > further afield if the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can
>
> > compensate you for the cost in moving) Cheers Ken &
>
> I don't know anywhere else that would let me take my gun collection along
> ;-)
>
>
> --
> Angus Scott-Fleming
> GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
> 1-520-290-5038
> Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/
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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Jon Harris]

Hey better than Florida with no real change in season unless you count Snow
birds blocking the roads a season.  Very rarely does it get below 50 and
then only for a couple of days.  Right to carry is easy to get but the job
market is really poor.  Taxes are property and sales.

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Sean Martin 
> wrote:
> >>>  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.
> >>
> >> P.S.: Oh, and we have actual seasons.  ;-)
> >
> > Only two seasons in AlaskaWinter and Construction.
>
>  We have Winter, Mud, Mosquito, and Tourist.  Winter is longer than
> the other three combined.
>
>  (Hey, I never said they were *good* seasons.)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[John Cook]

You're in the wrong half of the state! Here in N Fl we had 21 consecutive days 
below freezing and just had 42 (and counting) days over 90. Job market blows.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families


From: Jon Harris 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tue Aug 17 19:16:02 2010
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Hey better than Florida with no real change in season unless you count Snow 
birds blocking the roads a season.  Very rarely does it get below 50 and then 
only for a couple of days.  Right to carry is easy to get but the job market is 
really poor.  Taxes are property and sales.

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Sean Martin 
mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.
>>
>> P.S.: Oh, and we have actual seasons.  ;-)
>
> Only two seasons in AlaskaWinter and Construction.

 We have Winter, Mud, Mosquito, and Tourist.  Winter is longer than
the other three combined.

 (Hey, I never said they were *good* seasons.)

-- Ben

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RE: SCCM 2007 books

[Jim Dandy]

I purchased Mastering System Center Configuration Manager 2007 R2 and
had some trouble with it.  It left out critical steps that made it
difficult for me to get things working.  I have since purchased System
Center Configuration Manager 2007 Unleashed.  I haven't had much time
with that one but it seems more detailed.  In both cases they give way
more information than you need in some areas.

Curt

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> From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 11:38 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: SCCM 2007 books
> 
> Was wondering if anyone had good references for a good,
get-your-feet-wet
> type of book for SCCM 2007.  I have access to a couple online, but
would like
> other opinions as well.
> 
> What I have access to:
> 
> System Center Configuration Manager 2007 Unleashed - Kerrie Meyler;
> Byrono Holt; Greg Ramsey
> 
> Mastering System Center Configuration Manager 2007 R2 - Chris Mosby;
Ron
> D. Crumbaker; Christopher W. Urban
> 
> Microsoft System Center Configuration Manager 2007 Administrator's
> Companion - Steven D. Kaczmarek; Microsoft System Center Team
> 
> 
> Anyone deal with any of these?  Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe Heaton
> Department of Fish & Game
> 
> 
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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Jon Harris]

Yeah and we get most of the Snow birds as well!

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:31 PM, John Cook  wrote:

>  You're in the wrong half of the state! Here in N Fl we had 21 consecutive
> days below freezing and just had 42 (and counting) days over 90. Job market
> blows.
> John W. Cook
> Systems Administrator
> Partnership for Strong Families
>
>  --
> *From*: Jon Harris 
> *To*: NT System Admin Issues 
> *Sent*: Tue Aug 17 19:16:02 2010
> *Subject*: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice
>
>   Hey better than Florida with no real change in season unless you count
> Snow birds blocking the roads a season.  Very rarely does it get below 50
> and then only for a couple of days.  Right to carry is easy to get but the
> job market is really poor.  Taxes are property and sales.
>
> Jon
>
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Sean Martin 
>> wrote:
>> >>>  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.
>> >>
>> >> P.S.: Oh, and we have actual seasons.  ;-)
>> >
>> > Only two seasons in AlaskaWinter and Construction.
>>
>>  We have Winter, Mud, Mosquito, and Tourist.  Winter is longer than
>> the other three combined.
>>
>>  (Hey, I never said they were *good* seasons.)
>>
>> -- Ben
>>
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Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[John Cook]

Unfortunately they all pass through my area on the way to you!
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families


From: Jon Harris 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tue Aug 17 20:02:08 2010
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Yeah and we get most of the Snow birds as well!

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:31 PM, John Cook 
mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org>> wrote:
You're in the wrong half of the state! Here in N Fl we had 21 consecutive days 
below freezing and just had 42 (and counting) days over 90. Job market blows.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families


From: Jon Harris mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com>>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Tue Aug 17 19:16:02 2010
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Hey better than Florida with no real change in season unless you count Snow 
birds blocking the roads a season.  Very rarely does it get below 50 and then 
only for a couple of days.  Right to carry is easy to get but the job market is 
really poor.  Taxes are property and sales.

Jon

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Sean Martin 
mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.
>>
>> P.S.: Oh, and we have actual seasons.  ;-)
>
> Only two seasons in AlaskaWinter and Construction.

 We have Winter, Mud, Mosquito, and Tourist.  Winter is longer than
the other three combined.

 (Hey, I never said they were *good* seasons.)

-- Ben

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RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Ken Schaefer]

There's nothing about having to be single to be a "globe trotter" - let me 
disabuse you of that notion - I meet all of the criteria you list below. If you 
choose not to, then that's obviously a legitimate choice. But nothing is that 
far away on a plane these days (except maybe travelling from Sydney to Boston)

Cheers
Ken

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 1:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Good views, defintely been lurking and following this thread. Some of us, are 
stuck for certain reasons in the place we live, or within the area that we have 
put down roots (for those that are married, having extended family, or own a 
home, or any combination of the three and other circumstances) and don't have 
the flexibility, to be single, and globetrot the world in search of the latest 
big project to work on in a global environment, for those so career inclined 
and focus, then definitely follow your dreams and go for it, nothing is 
stopping you, and the experience will be something you can be proud of.

As for the situation in Denmark, it's a much different story in the states as 
most know, so comparing Denmark to US or even UK is like comparing apples to 
oranges and might not be a fair comparison.

There are pro's and con's in any job or position, but I truly believe this 
above all else. If you work on a good team, and each member of the team has 
your back and you have their's when the stuff gets deep, that counts for a lot. 
If you are constantly challenged in your job, and you feel you are at least 
moving ahead a little bit career wise, then that is also a good thing.

My view is your don't always take a job for the money, its about career 
advancement and the impact that your skills and experience bring to the new 
job. There is always going to be new challenges, new people to meet, and build 
a team environment with, and the organization/business/industry you are looking 
into should weight equally.

Work/Life Balance, and benefits I believe these days are trumping the insane 
amounts of money that was throw at prospective employees (Salary, raises, 
bonus) back in the .COM era and before the stock market bust. There is a new 
global reality coming about, and a lot of the job loss that has happened might 
not be made up in the next 10-15 yrs or if at all, no matter what the gov't 
tells us, and no matter which govt it is spitting the rhetoric.

Just my two cents, agree or disagree its well within your rights, because 
everyones situation is different and needs are different, but in the end all 
the money in the world isn't going to make you happy, and you certainly can't 
take it with you to the flipside :)

Z

Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 1:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Denmark has the benefit of an extremely flexible labour market - it's small 
economy where benefits are good, but workers acknowledge the need for 
flexibility. There is very little long-term unemployment in Denmark. They will 
bounce back fairly quickly.

>From my personal perspective - in the last few months I went from a Tier 1 
>consulting firm to an architecture position on an enterprise project (in 
>another country). This project is crying out for good people. Worldwide, there 
>are plenty of opportunities, as various companies and governments still have 
>money to spend.

If you want to spend your life living in  then that will limit the 
opportunities available. It may be better to seek something further afield if 
the job opportunity is worthwhile (and the pay can compensate you for the cost 
in moving)

Cheers
Ken


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 12:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

Even the most protected economies are hurting right now...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/17/business/global/17denmark.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

As Ken said, make sure you're doing what you like (to the degree that you have 
control over it).   Also, take every opportunity to become as good as you can 
be.  It doesn't completely insulate you -- because the planet rarely operates 
as a meritocracy -- but it does give you more options.

ASB (My XeeSM Profile)
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On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Jon Harris 
mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Florida has been hit hard by this economy and from where I was, I saw a lot of 
the last in first out layoffs.  That did not mean the best was kept and in fact 
most of the good ones seemed to be targeted.  The longer a lot of Florida state 
workers (

Re: Off topic - Career Job Advice

[Richard Stovall]

My wife, who went to college in Boston, always says that mud season is like
4 months long up in your neck 'o the woods.  She could be exaggerating, but
it has always sounded pretty dismal to a native Southerner like me.

On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Sean Martin 
> wrote:
> >>>  I gotta put a plug in for my home state of New Hampshire.
> >>
> >> P.S.: Oh, and we have actual seasons.  ;-)
> >
> > Only two seasons in AlaskaWinter and Construction.
>
>   We have Winter, Mud, Mosquito, and Tourist.  Winter is longer than
> the other three combined.
>
>  (Hey, I never said they were *good* seasons.)
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

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