Re: Schedule batch files to run accoss multiple servers and multiple schedules

[Sean Martin]

We use a product called UC4. I dont think its cheap, but its pretty powerful.

- Sean

On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 22:30, Dean Cunningham
>  wrote:
>> Looking for suggestions to manage scheduling of batch files to run on
>> particular servers at scheduled times (weekly, two weekly, monthly etc)
>> 
>> Currently we use sheduled tasks to set this up per server, but would like
>> better visability and manageability as to what is scheduled accross the
>> servers (100ish) multiple domains.
>> 
>> Needs to be domain independant
> 
> There used to be a package called Robot, from Opalis. I see that
> Opalis was recently bought by MSFT and is getting integrated into
> System Center - I don't know where that leave the Robot product, but
> it's worth a look.
> 
> Kurt
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RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

[Crawford, Scott]

What was the process?  MBS is saying it can't be done. Sounds like a challenge 
to me :)

-Original Message-
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Once you're done with all your normal PFs, you can get rid of the system ones 
too. I did this for a customer recently - to be quite honest it's a PITA with 
limited savings. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Thanks.  How 'bout after I'm done with all PFs?

If I were to build a new Exchange 2010 box (unlikely) and not install a PF on 
it?

> Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.
How come? I only have one server (2010) so only one set of replicas.

> I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it 
> provides.
Probably :), but I like cleaning up unneeded stuff when I can. I'm not a big 
fan of extra cruft that I'm too scared to touch because by definition, it's 
something in my environment that I don't understand, and I like to understand 
things :)

> I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.
Maybe at the end of the year if I still have one of my two free cases left. 
But, frankly, dealing MS support lately has become more frustrating than it's 
worth. I've got a case open right now that's been open for weeks and we're just 
going round in circles explaining the problem, being assured they understand it 
and will call me back with a solution, only to have me re-explain the problem.  
Do you have any tricks for getting escalated to US based support quickly?

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

You can't eliminate the last replica of system folders in your organization, if 
you've create a PF DB on the highest version Exchange in the organization.

To say that another way, if you migrate from Exchange 2003 to Exchange 2010, 
and you create a PF DB on Exchange 2010, you must keep a replica of the system 
folders in the organization.

Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.

I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it provides.

I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

True, but cleaning unneeded stuff now prevents having to figure out which is 
which if there ever is a crisis down the line.  Kinda like reducing your attack 
surface; I'd rather have fewer things that can use up system resources.

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

hmmm, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

>>> Brian Desmond  7/25/2011 3:00 PM >>>
No they're probably not, but, they're probably also not causing you any 
problems.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Well, I'm pretty sure I've got some extras from old servers and I was setting 
out to clean up the old ones. For instance I have 5 OWAScratchPad and 5 
StoreEvents. But, when I tried to determine which ones were active, I found 
that neither of my database GUIDs matched the GUIDs on the names of the public 
folders, which leads me to believe they're not needed at all.

From: Brian Desmond 
[mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

I don't expect that it's possible to have normal folders without the system 
ones. I would leave it alone.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Crawford, Scott 
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Now that we're 100% Outlook 2007/2010 and Exhchange 2010, is there any reason I 
shouldn't delete the System Public Folders? I still have other public folders, 
so I don't want to remove all public folders yet.

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Re: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

[Dean Cunningham]

We are at 4.1.7 which still requires it... Looking to get up to the latest
version so if you can expand on what the manual step is that would be great.
I have just beat the BES into shape to get the wireless calendaring working.
Being my first BES server to play with any tips/gotchas on upgrading to 5
with exch 2007 would be greatly appreciated :)
sorry about the thread hijack.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Brian Desmond wrote:

>  *However there is an annoying manual step for each BB enabled mailbox to
> enable external calendaring via BB if you are using EWS only. It’s a process
> problem not a technical one, but, still requires a solution.*
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:34 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders
>
> ** **
>
> If you are current (5.03), PFs aren’t necessary. I don’t remember the exact
> point at which they weren’t necessary, but it’s been “a while” now.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Dean Cunningham [mailto:dean.cunning...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:24 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders
>
>  ** **
>
> IIRC, if you have Blackberry server it may need the public folders for
> wireless calendar
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Crawford, Scott 
> wrote:
>
> Now that we’re 100% Outlook 2007/2010 and Exhchange 2010, is there any
> reason I shouldn’t delete the System Public Folders? I still have other
> public folders, so I don’t want to remove all public folders yet.
>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Jon Harris]

My laptop with a quad core and 8 gb of ram cost less than that with win 7
ultimate,  Get real John.

Jon

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Don Ely  wrote:

> $2500?!?!?!?!  Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad
> core with 8GB of RAM
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
>>> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office
>>> 2010
>>> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
>>> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy
>>> is
>>> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
>>> soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM
>>>
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things
>>> you've
>>> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
>>> appropriately.
>>>
>>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
>>> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan
>>> whose
>>> head seems to be swelling.
>>>
>>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>>>
>>>  - WJR
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <
>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
>>> is
>>> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have
>>> a
>>> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
>>> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
>>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
>>> internet
>>> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a
>>> drastically
>>> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
>>> workstation.
>>>
>>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
>>> time
>>> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate
>>> as
>>> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a
>>> load
>>> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
>>> if
>>> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
>>> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of
>>> its
>>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
>>> that
>>> need to be resolved.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
>>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
>>> moment
>>> 
>>> From: Steve Ens 
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" >> >
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>>>  wrote:
>>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
>>> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it
>>> from
>>> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger Wright
>>> ___
>>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
>>> wrote:
>>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
>>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
>>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
>>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>>>
>>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but
>>> that
>>> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vip

Re: Strange Windows7 issue with mapped drives

[Jon Harris]

Also what are the permissions on the folders in question including share and
NTFS.

Jon

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Jeff Bunting wrote:

> What OS is the server running?
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, C. T.  wrote:
>
>> I'm helping out a friend of mine who tries to support a small shop, and
>> the shop is starting to get Windows 7 Pro. machines.
>> They have a domain setup, and they are trying to map a network drive back
>> to a file server.  This file server has several folders on it.
>>
>> What is strange is the Windows XP Pro machines can map a drive to
>> \\myserver\common without an issue, but if you do this on a Windows 7 Pro
>> machine you get "Access is Denied."  Now on the Windows 7 machine if you
>> "browse" through Windows explorer by  \\myserver\common you can see the
>> folders on the file server, and the kicker is if you want to map a drive to
>> this file server from Windows 7 you have to do it one folder deeper.  (e.g.
>> net use s: \\myserver\common\abc123 )  This would become a hassle if you
>> have to access several folders off of the "common" share.
>>
>> Are there any registry "tweaks" on the Windows 7 machine that need to be
>> done?  Or would there need to be something done on the server side?
>> Googleing for this issue the only thing that comes close is :
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprovirt/thread/e08c3500-a722-4b44-b644-64f94f63c8e5/
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:33 PM, William Robbins  wrote:
> Ah, Jonathan, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us
> revenge is a dish that is best served cold? ... It is very cold in IT.

  Revenge is a dish with a side of fries.

-- Ben

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[William Robbins]

Ah, Jonathan, my old friend. Do you know the Klingon proverb that tells us
revenge is a dish that is best served cold? ... It is very cold in IT.

 - WJR


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 20:25, Jonathan Link wrote:

> "He tasks me!"  He tasks me, and I shall have him."
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Sean Martin wrote:
>
>>  "Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
>> server. "
>>
>> You have got to be kidding me.
>>
>> - Sean
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:28 AM, "John Aldrich" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>   Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
>> server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
>> updating as they should, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Jonathan Link]

"He tasks me!"  He tasks me, and I shall have him."

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Sean Martin  wrote:

>  "Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
> server. "
>
> You have got to be kidding me.
>
> - Sean
>
> On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:28 AM, "John Aldrich" 
> wrote:
>
>   Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
> server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
> updating as they should, etc.
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Sean Martin]

"Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
server. "

You have got to be kidding me. 

- Sean

On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:28 AM, "John Aldrich"  
wrote:

> Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
> server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
> updating as they should, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> 
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Strange Windows7 issue with mapped drives

[Jeff Bunting]

What OS is the server running?

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:27 PM, C. T.  wrote:

> I'm helping out a friend of mine who tries to support a small shop, and the
> shop is starting to get Windows 7 Pro. machines.
> They have a domain setup, and they are trying to map a network drive back
> to a file server.  This file server has several folders on it.
>
> What is strange is the Windows XP Pro machines can map a drive to
> \\myserver\common without an issue, but if you do this on a Windows 7 Pro
> machine you get "Access is Denied."  Now on the Windows 7 machine if you
> "browse" through Windows explorer by  \\myserver\common you can see the
> folders on the file server, and the kicker is if you want to map a drive to
> this file server from Windows 7 you have to do it one folder deeper.  (e.g.
> net use s: \\myserver\common\abc123 )  This would become a hassle if you
> have to access several folders off of the "common" share.
>
> Are there any registry "tweaks" on the Windows 7 machine that need to be
> done?  Or would there need to be something done on the server side?
> Googleing for this issue the only thing that comes close is :
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprovirt/thread/e08c3500-a722-4b44-b644-64f94f63c8e5/
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Strange Windows7 issue with mapped drives

[C. T.]

I'm helping out a friend of mine who tries to support a small shop, and the 
shop is starting to get Windows 7 Pro. machines.  
They have a domain setup, and they are trying to map a network drive back to a 
file server.  This file server has several folders on it.

What is strange is the Windows XP Pro machines can map a drive to 
\\myserver\common without an issue, but if you do this on a Windows 7 Pro 
machine you get "Access is Denied."  Now on the Windows 7 machine if you 
"browse" through Windows explorer by  \\myserver\common you can see the folders 
on the file server, and the kicker is if you want to map a drive to this file 
server from Windows 7 you have to do it one folder deeper.  (e.g. net use s: 
\\myserver\common\abc123 )  This would become a hassle if you have to access 
several folders off of the "common" share.

Are there any registry "tweaks" on the Windows 7 machine that need to be done?  
Or would there need to be something done on the server side?
Googleing for this issue the only thing that comes close is :  
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprovirt/thread/e08c3500-a722-4b44-b644-64f94f63c8e5/
 
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RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

[Brian Desmond]

Once you're done with all your normal PFs, you can get rid of the system ones 
too. I did this for a customer recently - to be quite honest it's a PITA with 
limited savings. 

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-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Thanks.  How 'bout after I'm done with all PFs?

If I were to build a new Exchange 2010 box (unlikely) and not install a PF on 
it?

> Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.
How come? I only have one server (2010) so only one set of replicas.

> I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it 
> provides.
Probably :), but I like cleaning up unneeded stuff when I can. I'm not a big 
fan of extra cruft that I'm too scared to touch because by definition, it's 
something in my environment that I don't understand, and I like to understand 
things :)

> I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.
Maybe at the end of the year if I still have one of my two free cases left. 
But, frankly, dealing MS support lately has become more frustrating than it's 
worth. I've got a case open right now that's been open for weeks and we're just 
going round in circles explaining the problem, being assured they understand it 
and will call me back with a solution, only to have me re-explain the problem.  
Do you have any tricks for getting escalated to US based support quickly?

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

You can't eliminate the last replica of system folders in your organization, if 
you've create a PF DB on the highest version Exchange in the organization.

To say that another way, if you migrate from Exchange 2003 to Exchange 2010, 
and you create a PF DB on Exchange 2010, you must keep a replica of the system 
folders in the organization.

Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.

I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it provides.

I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

True, but cleaning unneeded stuff now prevents having to figure out which is 
which if there ever is a crisis down the line.  Kinda like reducing your attack 
surface; I'd rather have fewer things that can use up system resources.

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

hmmm, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

>>> Brian Desmond  7/25/2011 3:00 PM >>>
No they're probably not, but, they're probably also not causing you any 
problems.

Thanks,
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From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Well, I'm pretty sure I've got some extras from old servers and I was setting 
out to clean up the old ones. For instance I have 5 OWAScratchPad and 5 
StoreEvents. But, when I tried to determine which ones were active, I found 
that neither of my database GUIDs matched the GUIDs on the names of the public 
folders, which leads me to believe they're not needed at all.

From: Brian Desmond 
[mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

I don't expect that it's possible to have normal folders without the system 
ones. I would leave it alone.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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From: Crawford, Scott 
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Now that we're 100% Outlook 2007/2010 and Exhchange 2010, is there any reason I 
shouldn't delete the System Public Folders? I still have other public folders, 
so I don't want to remove all public folders yet.

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RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

[Brian Desmond]

However there is an annoying manual step for each BB enabled mailbox to enable 
external calendaring via BB if you are using EWS only. It's a process problem 
not a technical one, but, still requires a solution.

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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 6:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

If you are current (5.03), PFs aren't necessary. I don't remember the exact 
point at which they weren't necessary, but it's been "a while" now.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:dean.cunning...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

IIRC, if you have Blackberry server it may need the public folders for wireless 
calendar
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Crawford, Scott 
mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu>> wrote:
Now that we're 100% Outlook 2007/2010 and Exhchange 2010, is there any reason I 
shouldn't delete the System Public Folders? I still have other public folders, 
so I don't want to remove all public folders yet.

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RE: Outlook LDAP Address Book

[Brian Desmond]

Fire up process monitor, change it on one, and see where it gets written out 
to. From there you can determine a course of action for deploying the change.

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From: Kelli Sterley [mailto:kjsterley.li...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:33 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Outlook LDAP Address Book

I have an LDAP address book within outlook for all my users.  I need to make a 
change to the search base under More Settings -> Search -> Search Base.

Is there a way to do this without visiting every desktop?  All other settings 
are staying the same.

Kelli

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Re: Double-checking MX record situation

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:18 AM,   wrote:
> faxcore1.         A         12.15.29.135

  That's a bit weird.  In standard notation, a trailing dot on a name
means it is fully qualified, so don't append any additional DNS search
path names.  The above would then mean a single-label domain name,
 without any  or  or anything.  I wonder if you
or your provider are using non-standard notation?  If so... stop that.
 :)

> faxcore1.mwro           IN      A       63.85.204.151

  Assuming your origin (kind of like "current directory for DNS") is
, the above would define a domain name
, with an address record of <63.85.204.151>.
 Assuming that IP address is correct, looks good.

> @.mwro                  IN      MX      10      faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.

  That's fairly weird.  In DNS zone notation, the at symbol (@) is
normally used to explicitly represent the origin.  But then you're
tacking more on to it.  I'm not even sure that's valid syntax, and
even if it's accepted it prolly won't do anything useful.

  I suspect you want something like this:

mwroIN  MX  10  faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.

  Or perhaps nothing at all, if you are always specifying
<8005551...@faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.> for an email address, and never
<8005551...@mwro.aspca.org.>.

  You might want to make your LHS names fully-qualified to avoid
confusion or collateral damage from typos:

mwro.aspca.org.   IN  MX   10 faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.  IN  MX   10 faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.  IN  A63.85.204.151


> 1. I believe the entry "@.mwro" should be deleted, correct?

  Yes.

> 2. Is the context of the line "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org" correct?

  I don't understand this question.

> 3. Finally, is the fact that no fax requests came into the fax server for a
> two hour period most likely due to our hosted mail relay not seeing the
> updated MX records at the "new" DNS location?

  I suspect you did not have any valid MX records for
 at the time.  However, if you are sending mail to
<8005551...@faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.>, then only the MX record for
 would be used.  DNS records don't inherit.

> That is, had we given the
> connections, DNS settings, etc 4-8 hours, might the fax requests have begun
> arriving at faxcore1.mwro.aspa.org?

  That depends entirely on the TTL (Time To Live) of the DNS records.
You can get TTL to as long as you want -- weeks even.  Currently I get
several different TTLs for various records:

faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org. 300IN  MX  10 faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.
faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org. 6000   IN  A   12.15.29.135
mwro.aspca.org. 86400   IN  NS  cmtu.mt.ns.els-gms.att.net.

  So 5 minutes for the MX record, 100 minutes for the A record, and
one day for the delegation.  The delegation is important because if
the rest of the Internet is still asking your old nameservers, it
won't matter if you've changed things in the parent zone.

  What you should do is, as you approach the cut-over, reduce the TTL
on all applicable records.  Maybe two days ahead, reduce the TTL on
the delegation from 86400 to 3600 (one hour).  Two hours ahead, reduce
the TTL on all affected records to 600 (ten minutes).  Then when you
do the actual cut-over, any cached entries should expire quickly.

  Ideally, you also wouldn't change your DNS delegation at the same
time as you are changing the IP address of your fax server.  Remember,
the IP addresses you type into DNS do not have to have anything to do
with any given provider.

  So a better way would be to configure the authoritative nameservers
for  with records for all the various 
names, *exactly as they are now*, minus the removal of delegation.
Make that change and wait for TTL to expire.  Nothing else changes,
all mail keeps flowing exactly as it does now, all web servers stay
the same, etc.  The only thing that is different is which nameserver
answers the  question.

  *Then*, since everything is now at the one DNS host for
, reduce TTL and change records for faxcore1, as a
separate project.

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RE: Dell Lock Code Resource

[Mike Gill]

For the Inspiron I have on the desk this section simply doesn't exist.

 

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/ins1721/en/sm/index.htm

 

It's fine. There is some commonality it seems between older and newer models
with the code I'm seeing. It appears to be a failed video chip or related.
As it's not replaceable on this laptop it means a new mobo.

 

-- 
Mike Gill

 

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Dell Lock Code Resource

 

Seems to me these are still quite public.  Found the ones for my Latitude
System right on their site within 30 seconds:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/late6400/en/sm/html/trouble.ht
m#wp1092170

 

Dell>Manuals>Enter your model number>Troubleshooting.  There they are.

 

Sam

 

 

 

 

From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Dell Lock Code Resource

 

It used to be more standard/published, but there does seem to be a
divergence from standardization here within the past 10 years.

Oh I agree I think it should be public - my lack of surprise is from Dell
specifically.  I love 'em, but they are getting tighter and tighter
regarding their support.

--
Espi

 

 

 

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Mike Gill 
wrote:

As do I. The results of your search indicate the site I listed. The other
sites are other people asking the same question or are for beep codes and
desktops. It surprises me that this information isn't public. They provide
documentation for all their computers to allow users to disassemble them
down to the components without voiding the warranty. Why not this? Who
knows. Seems to be it would be a few less support phone calls at least.

 

-- 
Mike

 

From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Dell Lock Code Resource

 

I always just search online, e.g.:

http://www.google.com/search?q=dell+post+codes


It doesnt surprise me that Dell has taken a position to keep details like
this.  They are getting more and more uptight about what they consider
"free" support.

--
Espi

 

 

 

On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Mike Gill 
wrote:

Does anyone have a resource for the LED Lock codes on Dell's laptops? For
example, when a laptop doesn't start up and you get the num and caps lock
LED's flashing but the scroll lock LED is solid. Dell says they don't
publish this, and I have found on older document on their website that shows
the codes, and one resource online, I would like an up to date resource that
includes Latitude's, Inspiron's and Vostro's rather than calling Dell up
every time. For example:

 

http://www.bay-wolf.com/portpostcodes.htm

 

FYI, this info isn't provided in the manual's online either.

 

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Re: OT: DNS craziness on a mac

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bill Humphries  wrote:
> client has mac with snow leopard that suddenly can't use DNS.  i can use
> nslookup in terminal to successfully query a DNS server.  but DNS lookups
> fail when using a browser or even ping.  craziness.

  I don't know how Apple might have jiggered things, but on a
traditional *nix system, nslookup has its own self-contained DNS
resolver implementation, separate from the system-wide resolver
regular programs use (like a browser or ping).  So the fact that one
works and the other does not suggests the problem is in the local
system resolver configuration, not the network.

  Does Mac OS X use /etc/nsswitch.conf?  That's the traditional *nix
config file for the "name service switch", which determines how names
get resolved.  Traditionally there would be a line such as:

hosts:  files dns

which means, "to look-up a host (computer), first check files
(/etc/hosts), then try DNS".  You might check there.

  Does Mac OS X ship with Perl?  If so, try this as a command line:

perl -e '($x) = gethostbyname(q(www.google.com)); print qq( ($x) ($!)
($?) ($^E) \n);'

When it works properly, it should print the canonical name, followed
by empty or zero values, each in parenthesis.  When it goes wrong,
error information should show up.

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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Sam Cayze]

+1

 

>>>3-year-old Optiplex

 

My OptiPlex is 4 years old and cost $900. Upgraded RAM to 8GB last year for
about $80 I guess?  Fast as can be, no desire for a new PC.  Currently
running like 20 apps no big deal.  Consoles open: ESX, 5 MMCs, and Symantec.

 

Although, I will admit, could never get the Vipre console to load on my
Win7/64, so I DO just remote in the server.  But that's only like every 3
months, so I just do it.  I like to log in every couple months anyway just
to say 'HI' and shake the OS's hand to let them know I still love them.

 

Other than that, NO RDP into servers unless irregular break/fix, or if it's
off in some farm in a remote data center without VPN.  (Just for the sake of
management consoles, I'd MUCH rather RDP into something than allow a VPN
tunnel to it).

 

Sam

 

 

 

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

 

$2500?!?!?!?!  Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad core
with 8GB of RAM

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs  wrote:

Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010
and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
soon.




From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM

 

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
appropriately.

But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
head seems to be swelling.

He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...

 - WJR

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
wrote:
I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is
a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.



From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet
browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
workstation.

I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time
and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if
your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that
need to be resolved.

Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
moment

From: Steve Ens 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D


From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonial

wim file sizes in WDS console

[Jimmy Tran]

Hi All,

 

I have quick question about wim files that have been loaded into WDS.  I
have a boot.wim file that is about 300MB from the install disc of W7.
Once I loaded it into the Boot Images of WDS, it shows a 1GB file.
Does anyone know why that is the case?

 

Thanks,


Jimmy


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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[William Robbins]

Same here.  But we don't shop for Alienware PC's to do our "work."

 - WJR


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 16:28, Don Ely  wrote:

> $2500?!?!?!?!  Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad
> core with 8GB of RAM
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
>>> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office
>>> 2010
>>> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
>>> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy
>>> is
>>> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
>>> soon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM
>>>
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things
>>> you've
>>> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
>>> appropriately.
>>>
>>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
>>> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan
>>> whose
>>> head seems to be swelling.
>>>
>>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>>>
>>>  - WJR
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <
>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
>>> is
>>> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have
>>> a
>>> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
>>> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
>>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
>>> internet
>>> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a
>>> drastically
>>> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
>>> workstation.
>>>
>>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
>>> time
>>> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate
>>> as
>>> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a
>>> load
>>> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
>>> if
>>> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
>>> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of
>>> its
>>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
>>> that
>>> need to be resolved.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
>>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
>>> moment
>>> 
>>> From: Steve Ens 
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" >> >
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>>>  wrote:
>>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
>>> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it
>>> from
>>> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger Wright
>>> ___
>>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
>>> wrote:
>>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
>>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
>>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
>>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>>>
>>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but
>>> that
>>> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre
>>> services,
>>> by the way

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Don Ely]

$2500?!?!?!?!  Funny, my company didn't pay more than $1000 for my quad core
with 8GB of RAM

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Stefan Jafs  wrote:

> Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
>> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
>> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office
>> 2010
>> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
>> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
>> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
>> soon.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
>> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
>> appropriately.
>>
>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
>> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan
>> whose
>> head seems to be swelling.
>>
>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>>
>>  - WJR
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich > >
>> wrote:
>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
>> is
>> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have
>> a
>> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
>> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
>> internet
>> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
>> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
>> workstation.
>>
>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
>> time
>> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
>> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a
>> load
>> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
>> if
>> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
>> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
>> that
>> need to be resolved.
>>
>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
>> moment
>> 
>> From: Steve Ens 
>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>>  wrote:
>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
>> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>>
>>
>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it
>> from
>> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>>
>>
>> Roger Wright
>> ___
>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>> wrote:
>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>>
>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
>> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
>> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
>> 
>> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programm

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[William Robbins]

$2500?  I do actually, but if you think you need a $2500 PC to do your
job...

 - WJR


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 15:08, John Aldrich wrote:

> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010
> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
> soon.
>
>
>
> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
> appropriately.
>
> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan
> whose
> head seems to be swelling.
>
> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>
>  - WJR
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
> wrote:
> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
> is
> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>
>
>
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
> internet
> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
> workstation.
>
> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
> time
> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
> if
> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
> that
> need to be resolved.
>
> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
> moment
> 
> From: Steve Ens 
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
> wrote:
> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
> your
> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
> of
> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>
> 

RE: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

[Ziots, Edward]

+1 on the Flex-LM, its been a PITA on the systems I have had to
implement it on, and usually its research software, so you know how far
you are going to get with there Tech Support ( Like no where) 

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

 

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

 

That's exactly what I'm talking about.  And, if you're going to force a
licensing system on us, at least make sure it works well.  I've got one
package whose license server runs as an interactive application. So,
when the server reboots, someone has to login and manually start the
licensing "server".

 

From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

 

I *loathe* FLexLM.  When it works, it works, when it doesn't, you get to
chase your tail all for the sake of license compliance.  Nothing like
assuming your customers are thieves from the outset.

 

-Jeff

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, David Lum  wrote:

 

A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC
with AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running
license service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up
license server (we'll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for
months. Until today.

 

AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print
server (for Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the
same building is an older machine and is a Domain Controller and print
server for about 10 XP machines but not much else. I am going to
decommission TheOtherServer, but one step at a time so I DCPROMO it last
Thursday. See any correlation with DCPROMO and the AutoCAD PC or the
license service on AutoCADServer? Me either.

 

I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or
printing and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the
DHCP server) Did I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this
day? That's OK I didn't know either, but I figured it didn't matter
since I'm not touching that server.

 

Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can't use AutoCAD. I check
it out and I get a "Cannot get license from license server". Okay fine,
I check out the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it
says all good. Hit AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to
check out. Log files say "Server node is down or not responding". I do
the usual restart services check the firewall settings etc on the
server. No change.

 

The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the
FlexLM license service) *ALL* point to firewall or connectivity issues .
I turn off the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No
change.

 

You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home
and public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it's local
network connection is now "Public" instead of "Work". Firewall settings
are completely different for those areas, and once I change the network
to think it's back on the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO's properly
take effect and all is good.

 

I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren't local admins on
their box so they can't change it. 

 

I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server
wasn't operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the
AutoCAD PC tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of
it's own (169.x.x.x or whatever MS has them default to) and said "Yo I
am now on a Public network", and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked
up the new IP address but didn't feel like changing itself back to
"Domain" network.

 

Anyone know if I'm close? This one was tough because I was led all over
the place.

 

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Mobile 503.267.9764

 

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Re: XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi

[kz20fl]

Ah sorry, I see what you mean. That solution would work just as well. But 
XenDesktop is better for remote connections (see, I knew there was a reason!)

Sent from my POS BlackBerry  wireless device, which may wipe itself at any 
moment

-Original Message-
From: "Sam Cayze" 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:41:28 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: XenDesktop is free for 10 
users, and it will run on ESXi

How is that any different than running XP/7 on ESX and RDPing into it?  (For
this purpose/conversation at least).

 

Also, I'm sure you're breaking some sort of licensing agreement by resetting
the 30-day, sounds shady.  

 

From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi

 

XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi - also free IIRC

It runs out after 30 days or so, but I just reinstall the delivery
controller and it works again. That's how I have a uber win7 desktop on a
crappy old XP machine :-)

Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
moment

  _  

From: Stefan Jafs  

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:17:34 -0400

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

 

Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010
and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
soon.



From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
appropriately.

But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
head seems to be swelling.

He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...

 - WJR

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
wrote:
I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is
a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.



From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet
browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
workstation.

I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time
and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if
your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that
need to be resolved.

Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
moment

From: Steve Ens 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D


From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___
Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's

Re: XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi

[kz20fl]

No different at all. But OP is RDPing to a server.

Sent from my POS BlackBerry  wireless device, which may wipe itself at any 
moment

-Original Message-
From: "Sam Cayze" 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:41:28 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: XenDesktop is free for 10 
users, and it will run on ESXi

How is that any different than running XP/7 on ESX and RDPing into it?  (For
this purpose/conversation at least).

 

Also, I'm sure you're breaking some sort of licensing agreement by resetting
the 30-day, sounds shady.  

 

From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi

 

XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi - also free IIRC

It runs out after 30 days or so, but I just reinstall the delivery
controller and it works again. That's how I have a uber win7 desktop on a
crappy old XP machine :-)

Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
moment

  _  

From: Stefan Jafs  

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:17:34 -0400

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

 

Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010
and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
soon.



From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
appropriately.

But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
head seems to be swelling.

He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...

 - WJR

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
wrote:
I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is
a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.



From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet
browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
workstation.

I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time
and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if
your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that
need to be resolved.

Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
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From: Steve Ens 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D


From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot

Re: GPOs applying to a service account

[kz20fl]

Complete guess, but I would think that user GPOs only apply to interactive or 
terminal services logons, not service logons. I could well be utterly wrong 
though.

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-Original Message-
From: Miller Bonnie L. 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:41:05 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: GPOs applying to a service 
account

Does anyone know the outcome of the following?

Domain-member workstation (W7 SP1 or Wxp SP3).
Domain-member user account.
User account is configured to logon as a service on the workstation (set up as 
a service account).

When the workstation is started up, do user-based GPO settings apply to the 
service account when it "logs on"?


We have a very specific need to set the proxy configuration for a service 
account, but not for the computer as a whole (when no user is logged on), so we 
can't use proxycfg/netsh.  Trying to set this using GPO "User 
Config\Policies\Windows Settings\Internet Explorer Maintenance" section, like 
we do for our other user accounts.  If we log on interactively with the 
account, the settings show up.  If you let the account log on as a service and 
view the settings remotely via regedit, they are not being set.

Is this the way it is supposed to work?  I can't seem to find a good reference 
for this scenario.  Would GPPs maybe work better?

Thanks,
Bonnie

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RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

[Michael B. Smith]

Yes, you would need to have two servers to have two replicas.

You haven't been escalated if you are still speaking to someone in Asia. You've 
been transferred. Your initial tech is tier 1, as is the local tech lead.

Escalation would involve moving you to either tier 2 or tier 3, which you will 
find in the UK, Australia, and 3 locations in the USA (that's for Exchange - 
different product groups have escalated support in different parts of the 
world).

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Gotcha.  So, by the time E2K13 comes out, I need to have my PFs on SharePoint.

2 replicas - interesting.  So, in order to make the 2nd replica, I need another 
server now, right?  For now, we don't have enough data in PF to make it 
worthwhile. If something happens to PF and IOF we need to restore it, I think 
I'll be able to take some snapshots of my iSCSI LUNs and mount a copy of the 
forest to make it fairly painless.

CSS/PSS - I'll have to try that next time they call back. When you say 
escalation, do you mean to US based or just the tech lead in India? I've been 
"escalated" a couple times within India already. I certainly don't mean any 
disrespect and their English is WAAAY better than my Hindi, but trying to 
communicate intricate technical details across the language barrier is 
extremely difficult - to the point of making the experience worthless.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

There is currently no supported way to remove the last public folder database 
from an Exchange organization except via version migration.

I recommend two full replicas because recovery databases can only be mailbox 
databases. That is, the recovery implementation does not support public folder 
databases. Therefore, if you need to recover a PF DB, you have to build not 
only a recovery SERVER but a full recovery FOREST in order to do so.

With CSS/PSS you should always be able to request an escalation after 24 hours. 
But you have to request it. And be firm.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Thanks.  How 'bout after I'm done with all PFs?

If I were to build a new Exchange 2010 box (unlikely) and not install a PF on 
it?

> Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.
How come? I only have one server (2010) so only one set of replicas.

> I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it 
> provides.
Probably :), but I like cleaning up unneeded stuff when I can. I'm not a big 
fan of extra cruft that I'm too scared to touch because by definition, it's 
something in my environment that I don't understand, and I like to understand 
things :)

> I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.
Maybe at the end of the year if I still have one of my two free cases left. 
But, frankly, dealing MS support lately has become more frustrating than it's 
worth. I've got a case open right now that's been open for weeks and we're just 
going round in circles explaining the problem, being assured they understand it 
and will call me back with a solution, only to have me re-explain the problem.  
Do you have any tricks for getting escalated to US based support quickly?

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

You can't eliminate the last replica of system folders in your organization, if 
you've create a PF DB on the highest version Exchange in the organization.

To say that another way, if you migrate from Exchange 2003 to Exchange 2010, 
and you create a PF DB on Exchange 2010, you must keep a replica of the system 
folders in the organization.

Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.

I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it provides.

I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

True, but cleaning unneeded stuff now prevents having to figure out which is 
which if there ever is a crisis down the line.  Kinda like reducing your attack 
surface; I'd rat

RE: mgmt consoles (was RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot)

[Free, Bob]

I never got his original but we do primarily what David said, dedicated 
management terminal servers fairly locked down, no internet access, with the 
management consoles managed by the respective product managers so we don't have 
version/patch issues. In our more controlled environments, it is the only way 
to manage the various apps because the client side ports are restricted to the 
dedicated management servers and access to the environments in general is 
restricted to them. Personally I loathe keeping up with all the various clients 
across multiple desktops and stopped doing it a long time ago. Many days I am 
doing just what you said, way more time RDP'd to  the mgmt. servers than my 
desktop.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: mgmt consoles (was RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot)

That's one tactic that is fairly commonly used.

I sort of do both right now.   I have most consoles on my desktop, AND I have a 
personal server that hosts all of them, plus some.   Some days, I spend more 
time on the server (via RDP) than on my desktop.

ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:21 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
Exchange is not dissimilar. I don't know if it loads the mgmt console by 
default but it always seemed weird to me that the full installer interface was 
presented when all you wanted was the console.

Which brings me to a Q: I have what is effectively my "management" server (a 
VM) that has most of the consoles on it (Exchange, Shavlik, vSphere client, 
etc). I simply RDP to it when I need to administer something (unless it's a 
web-based tool like PGP or McAfee ePO). Saves me the trouble of moving those 
around when I change PC's. If I need a hardware upgrade I move the VM.

In general I don't like consoles on my personal machine because they seem to 
load way more services and crap than you really want and once you have a few of 
them your machine becomes slow just doing e-mail and browsing, etc.

Is this an unusual setup? I seem to recall reading (years ago)  that this was a 
good idea but didn't know if many people actually did this.

Dave

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

It also allows you to install the console elsewhere...

Just because SQL server installs a local console by default doesn't mean that 
this is the best place to run it for day to day administration...
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:12 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that the console is designed to run
on the server. I mean it installs the console when you install the server.
:D



From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A lot of today's software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it
connect back to a server.

For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop
and not log into the server (though I wouldn't recommend this to a someone
who doesn't have any clue about security.)

I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running from
a server is a bad thing.(tm)

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis...
THAT server has never had any real issues... As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another machine as it's a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don't like killing off a
process "just because", and that's what that seems like to me.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to g

RE: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

[Crawford, Scott]

That's exactly what I'm talking about.  And, if you're going to force a 
licensing system on us, at least make sure it works well.  I've got one package 
whose license server runs as an interactive application. So, when the server 
reboots, someone has to login and manually start the licensing "server".

From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

I *loathe* FLexLM.  When it works, it works, when it doesn't, you get to chase 
your tail all for the sake of license compliance.  Nothing like assuming your 
customers are thieves from the outset.

-Jeff
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:

A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC with 
AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running license 
service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up license server 
(we'll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months. Until today.

AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server (for 
Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building is an 
older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10 XP 
machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer, but one 
step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation with DCPROMO 
and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me either.

I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or printing 
and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP server) Did 
I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That's OK I didn't 
know either, but I figured it didn't matter since I'm not touching that server.

Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can't use AutoCAD. I check it out 
and I get a "Cannot get license from license server". Okay fine, I check out 
the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all good. Hit 
AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log files say 
"Server node is down or not responding". I do the usual restart services check 
the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.

The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the FlexLM 
license service) *ALL* point to firewall or connectivity issues . I turn off 
the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No change.

You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home and 
public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it's local network 
connection is now "Public" instead of "Work". Firewall settings are completely 
different for those areas, and once I change the network to think it's back on 
the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO's properly take effect and all is good.

I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren't local admins on their box 
so they can't change it.

I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server wasn't 
operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the AutoCAD PC 
tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it's own (169.x.x.x 
or whatever MS has them default to) and said "Yo I am now on a Public network", 
and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP address but didn't 
feel like changing itself back to "Domain" network.

Anyone know if I'm close? This one was tough because I was led all over the 
place.

David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Mobile 503.267.9764


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RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

[Crawford, Scott]

Gotcha.  So, by the time E2K13 comes out, I need to have my PFs on SharePoint.

2 replicas - interesting.  So, in order to make the 2nd replica, I need another 
server now, right?  For now, we don't have enough data in PF to make it 
worthwhile. If something happens to PF and IOF we need to restore it, I think 
I'll be able to take some snapshots of my iSCSI LUNs and mount a copy of the 
forest to make it fairly painless.

CSS/PSS - I'll have to try that next time they call back. When you say 
escalation, do you mean to US based or just the tech lead in India? I've been 
"escalated" a couple times within India already. I certainly don't mean any 
disrespect and their English is WAAAY better than my Hindi, but trying to 
communicate intricate technical details across the language barrier is 
extremely difficult - to the point of making the experience worthless.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

There is currently no supported way to remove the last public folder database 
from an Exchange organization except via version migration.

I recommend two full replicas because recovery databases can only be mailbox 
databases. That is, the recovery implementation does not support public folder 
databases. Therefore, if you need to recover a PF DB, you have to build not 
only a recovery SERVER but a full recovery FOREST in order to do so.

With CSS/PSS you should always be able to request an escalation after 24 hours. 
But you have to request it. And be firm.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Thanks.  How 'bout after I'm done with all PFs?

If I were to build a new Exchange 2010 box (unlikely) and not install a PF on 
it?

> Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.
How come? I only have one server (2010) so only one set of replicas.

> I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it 
> provides.
Probably :), but I like cleaning up unneeded stuff when I can. I'm not a big 
fan of extra cruft that I'm too scared to touch because by definition, it's 
something in my environment that I don't understand, and I like to understand 
things :)

> I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.
Maybe at the end of the year if I still have one of my two free cases left. 
But, frankly, dealing MS support lately has become more frustrating than it's 
worth. I've got a case open right now that's been open for weeks and we're just 
going round in circles explaining the problem, being assured they understand it 
and will call me back with a solution, only to have me re-explain the problem.  
Do you have any tricks for getting escalated to US based support quickly?

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

You can't eliminate the last replica of system folders in your organization, if 
you've create a PF DB on the highest version Exchange in the organization.

To say that another way, if you migrate from Exchange 2003 to Exchange 2010, 
and you create a PF DB on Exchange 2010, you must keep a replica of the system 
folders in the organization.

Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.

I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it provides.

I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

True, but cleaning unneeded stuff now prevents having to figure out which is 
which if there ever is a crisis down the line.  Kinda like reducing your attack 
surface; I'd rather have fewer things that can use up system resources.

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

hmmm, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

>>> Brian Desmond  7/25/2011 3:00 PM >>>
No they're probably not, but, they're probably also not causing you any 
problems.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Well, I'm pretty sure I've got some extras from old servers and I was se

RE: XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi

[Sam Cayze]

How is that any different than running XP/7 on ESX and RDPing into it?  (For
this purpose/conversation at least).

 

Also, I'm sure you're breaking some sort of licensing agreement by resetting
the 30-day, sounds shady.  

 

From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi

 

XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi - also free IIRC

It runs out after 30 days or so, but I just reinstall the delivery
controller and it works again. That's how I have a uber win7 desktop on a
crappy old XP machine :-)

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moment

  _  

From: Stefan Jafs  

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:17:34 -0400

To: NT System Admin Issues

ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 

Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

 

Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:

Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010
and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
soon.



From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
appropriately.

But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
head seems to be swelling.

He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...

 - WJR

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
wrote:
I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is
a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.



From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet
browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
workstation.

I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time
and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if
your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that
need to be resolved.

Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
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moment

From: Steve Ens 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D


From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___
Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like 

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[kz20fl]

XenDesktop is free for 10 users, and it will run on ESXi - also free IIRC

It runs out after 30 days or so, but I just reinstall the delivery controller 
and it works again. That's how I have a uber win7 desktop on a crappy old XP 
machine :-)

Sent from my POS BlackBerry  wireless device, which may wipe itself at any 
moment

-Original Message-
From: Stefan Jafs 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:17:34 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server 
on reboot

Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010
> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
> soon.
>
>
>
> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
> appropriately.
>
> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan
> whose
> head seems to be swelling.
>
> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>
>  - WJR
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
> wrote:
> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
> is
> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>
>
>
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
> internet
> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
> workstation.
>
> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
> time
> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
> if
> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
> that
> need to be resolved.
>
> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
> moment
>
> From: Steve Ens 
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
>___
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
> wrote:
> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
>
> From: Andrew S.

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Stefan Jafs]

Yeah, I guess the carpet business is flat on the floor in this economy.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:08 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
> mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010
> and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
> 3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
> going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
> soon.
>
>
>
> From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
> appropriately.
>
> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan
> whose
> head seems to be swelling.
>
> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>
>  - WJR
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
> wrote:
> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
> is
> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>
>
>
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
> internet
> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
> workstation.
>
> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
> time
> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
> if
> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
> that
> need to be resolved.
>
> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
> moment
> 
> From: Steve Ens 
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
> wrote:
> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
> your
> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
> of
> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>
> Process killi

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[William Robbins]

Now with the link I intended:P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfbAFgD2mLo&safety_mode=true&persist_safety_mode=1

 - WJR


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 15:07, William Robbins  wrote:

> I'm your huckleberry...
>
>  - WJR
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:48, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>> You're no daisy.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:41 PM, William Robbins wrote:
>>
>>> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things
>>> you've listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
>>> appropriately.
>>>
>>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
>>> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
>>> head seems to be swelling.
>>>
>>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>>>
>>>  - WJR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich <
>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>>
 I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err...
 Outlook is
 a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I
 have a
 VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
 system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.



 From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

 This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
 dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
 internet
 browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a
 drastically
 underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a
 decent
 workstation.

 I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
 time
 and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate
 as
 much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a
 load
 of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them.
 But if
 your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
 management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of
 its
 memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
 that
 need to be resolved.

 Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
 Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at
 any
 moment
 
 From: Steve Ens 
 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
 Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

 Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
  wrote:
 Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a
 whole
 bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D



 From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
 Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it
 from
 my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


 Roger Wright
 ___
 Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!


 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link >>> >
 wrote:
 Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?



 On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
 jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
 wrote:
 Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
 Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if
 I
 want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've
 decided
 not to automatically reboot the server weekly.


 From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

 how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but
 that
 seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre
 services,
 by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
 
 From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
 Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
 down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
 your
 only other alternative will be an application that programm

RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

Gee... you got an extra $2500+ or so for all new hardware and software? I
mean, I'd love to have a nice new 64-bit Windows 7 machine with Office 2010
and all that stuff...but unfortunately, I don't have that. I've got a
3-year-old Optiplex running XP Pro 32-bit. And with the way the economy is
going lately, I don't see me getting an upgraded desktop machine any time
soon.



From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
appropriately.

But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
head seems to be swelling.

He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...

 - WJR

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
wrote:
I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is
a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.



From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet
browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
workstation.

I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time
and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if
your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that
need to be resolved.

Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
moment

From: Steve Ens 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D


From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___
Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.

From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don’t wish to install it 

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[William Robbins]

I'm your huckleberry...

 - WJR


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:48, Jonathan Link wrote:

> You're no daisy.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:41 PM, William Robbins wrote:
>
>> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
>> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
>> appropriately.
>>
>> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
>> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
>> head seems to be swelling.
>>
>> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>>
>>  - WJR
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich > > wrote:
>>
>>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
>>> is
>>> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have
>>> a
>>> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
>>> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
>>>
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
>>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
>>> internet
>>> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a
>>> drastically
>>> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
>>> workstation.
>>>
>>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
>>> time
>>> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate
>>> as
>>> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a
>>> load
>>> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
>>> if
>>> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
>>> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of
>>> its
>>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
>>> that
>>> need to be resolved.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
>>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
>>> moment
>>> 
>>> From: Steve Ens 
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" >> >
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>>>  wrote:
>>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
>>> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it
>>> from
>>> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>>>
>>>
>>> Roger Wright
>>> ___
>>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
>>> wrote:
>>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
>>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
>>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
>>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but
>>> that
>>> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre
>>> services,
>>> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
>>> 
>>> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
>>> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
>>> your
>>> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically
>>> manages
>>> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
>>> of
>>> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>>>
>>> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>>>
>>> ASB
>>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>>>  wrote:
>>> I suppose there’s no real reason 

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Don Ely]

You don't say...  hehehehe

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:

>  You know the old axiom about the definition of insanity?
>
> ** **
>
> I’m coming to the conclusion the Doctors need a dose of their own medicine
> …
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:34 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> ** **
>
> You don't see it.
>
>  
>
> You're like the patient who goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor my arm
> hurts when I do this."
>
> Doctor says "Don't do that."
>
>  
>
> We are the doctor telling you to avoid behavior that causes you pain.  And
> this isn't the first time our prescription has involved a modification of
> behavior.
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
> server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
> updating as they should, etc.
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[kz20fl]

Well your workstation should be able to handle all that, the consoles, and 
more. If it can't, get an upgrade :-)

The guys I work with have just the same inexplicable approach, tho. They RDP to 
systems just to check event logs. And now they are on Win7 they think running 
without admin privs is even more of a reason to do this. I run my MMC elevated, 
so I don't have that problem, but for some reason that's a little complex for 
them. But guess what? When something bad happens, guess who can identify the 
problem first? Guess who can see all the events because he's not busy ringing 
other teams to see why they've left inactive RDP sessions on the server? Its 
little things like that that contribute to being more productive, IMHO

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moment

-Original Message-
From: "John Aldrich" 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:32:10 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is
a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.



From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet
browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
workstation.

I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time
and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if
your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that
need to be resolved.

Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
moment

From: Steve Ens  
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___
Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.


From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...

ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don

Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

[James Kerr]

Got it. Out of the tens of torrents your are currently downloading, none of
them are AutoCAD.

Your hear that Autodesk? None.



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> And by the way, that's a joke.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>> That reminds me, I need to check my torrents...
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Jeff Steward  wrote:
>>
>>> I *loathe* FLexLM.  When it works, it works, when it doesn't, you get to
>>> chase your tail all for the sake of license compliance.  Nothing like
>>> assuming your customers are thieves from the outset.
>>>
>>> -Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>>>
 ** **

 A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC
 with AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running
 license service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up
 license server (we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months.
 Until today.

 ** **

 AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print
 server (for Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same
 building is an older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server 
 for
 about 10 XP machines but not much else. I am going to decommission
 TheOtherServer, but one step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See
 any correlation with DCPROMO and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on
 AutoCADServer? Me either.

 ** **

 I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or
 printing and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the 
 DHCP
 server) Did I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s
 OK I didn’t know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not
 touching that server.

 ** **

 Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check
 it out and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I
 check out the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all
 good. Hit AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log
 files say “Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart
 services check the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.

 ** **

 The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the
 FlexLM license service) **ALL** point to firewall or connectivity
 issues . I turn off the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. 
 No
 change.

 ** **

 You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home
 and public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network
 connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are
 completely different for those areas, and once I change the network to 
 think
 it’s back on the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect 
 and
 all is good.

 ** **

 I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on
 their box so they can’t change it. 

 ** **

 I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server
 wasn’t operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the
 AutoCAD PC tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s
 own (169.x.x.x or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on
 a Public network”, and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP
 address but didn’t feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.*
 ***

 ** **

 Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over
 the place.

 ** **

 *David Lum* *
 *Systems Engineer // NWEATM
 Office 503.548.5229 //* *Mobile 503.267.9764

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RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

[Michael B. Smith]

There is currently no supported way to remove the last public folder database 
from an Exchange organization except via version migration.

I recommend two full replicas because recovery databases can only be mailbox 
databases. That is, the recovery implementation does not support public folder 
databases. Therefore, if you need to recover a PF DB, you have to build not 
only a recovery SERVER but a full recovery FOREST in order to do so.

With CSS/PSS you should always be able to request an escalation after 24 hours. 
But you have to request it. And be firm.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Thanks.  How 'bout after I'm done with all PFs?

If I were to build a new Exchange 2010 box (unlikely) and not install a PF on 
it?

> Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.
How come? I only have one server (2010) so only one set of replicas.

> I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it 
> provides.
Probably :), but I like cleaning up unneeded stuff when I can. I'm not a big 
fan of extra cruft that I'm too scared to touch because by definition, it's 
something in my environment that I don't understand, and I like to understand 
things :)

> I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.
Maybe at the end of the year if I still have one of my two free cases left. 
But, frankly, dealing MS support lately has become more frustrating than it's 
worth. I've got a case open right now that's been open for weeks and we're just 
going round in circles explaining the problem, being assured they understand it 
and will call me back with a solution, only to have me re-explain the problem.  
Do you have any tricks for getting escalated to US based support quickly?

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

You can't eliminate the last replica of system folders in your organization, if 
you've create a PF DB on the highest version Exchange in the organization.

To say that another way, if you migrate from Exchange 2003 to Exchange 2010, 
and you create a PF DB on Exchange 2010, you must keep a replica of the system 
folders in the organization.

Hopefully, you have at least two complete sets of replicas.

I think that your goal is likely to cause more trouble than benefit it provides.

I'd raise a case with CSS/PSS if you really want to do this.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 6:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

True, but cleaning unneeded stuff now prevents having to figure out which is 
which if there ever is a crisis down the line.  Kinda like reducing your attack 
surface; I'd rather have fewer things that can use up system resources.

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

hmmm, if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

>>> Brian Desmond  7/25/2011 3:00 PM >>>
No they're probably not, but, they're probably also not causing you any 
problems.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Well, I'm pretty sure I've got some extras from old servers and I was setting 
out to clean up the old ones. For instance I have 5 OWAScratchPad and 5 
StoreEvents. But, when I tried to determine which ones were active, I found 
that neither of my database GUIDs matched the GUIDs on the names of the public 
folders, which leads me to believe they're not needed at all.

From: Brian Desmond 
[mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

I don't expect that it's possible to have normal folders without the system 
ones. I would leave it alone.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: Crawford, Scott 
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

Now that we're 100% Outlook 2007/2010 and Exhchange 2010, is there any reason I 
shouldn't delete the System Public Folders? I still have other public fold

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Jonathan Link]

You're no daisy.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:41 PM, William Robbins wrote:

> Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
> listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
> appropriately.
>
> But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
> understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
> head seems to be swelling.
>
> He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...
>
>  - WJR
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich 
> wrote:
>
>> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
>> is
>> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have
>> a
>> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
>> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
>> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
>> internet
>> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
>> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
>> workstation.
>>
>> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
>> time
>> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
>> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a
>> load
>> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
>> if
>> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
>> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
>> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
>> that
>> need to be resolved.
>>
>> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
>> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
>> moment
>> 
>> From: Steve Ens 
>> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>>  wrote:
>> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
>> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it
>> from
>> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>>
>>
>> Roger Wright
>> ___
>> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>> wrote:
>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>>
>>
>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
>> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
>> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
>> 
>> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
>> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
>> your
>> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically
>> manages
>> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
>> of
>> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>>
>> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>>
>> ASB
>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>>  wrote:
>> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled
>> basis…
>> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
>> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
>> bit
>> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I

Re: OT: DNS craziness on a mac

[Bill Humphries]

firewall is off.

Jonathan Link wrote:

Firewall disabling http/https perhaps?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bill Humphries > wrote:


i hate to interrupt all the john bashing, but i have something
just as OT i thought i would look for some help with.

client has mac with snow leopard that suddenly can't use DNS.  i
can use nslookup in terminal to successfully query a DNS server.
 but DNS lookups fail when using a browser or even ping.  craziness.
hosts file and resolv.conf look right.

i'm almost at the point of a rebuild, which is a pain when you
have to reinstall all the adobe CS apps.

Bill

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Re: DNS craziness on a mac

[Bill Humphries]

Yeah, that is what I was leaning toward.  I used Onyx to repair perms, 
but still the same. 

The only thing recently done was they installed sonicwall netxtender 
sslvpn client.  That gets installed on macs regularly though.


bill

Scott Schneider wrote:

I have had similar issues. Had to purchase Disk Warrior and found
corrupt permissions on the Mac. Seems to happen when installing 3rd
party USB WIFI sticks. Verizon's came with an old installer which wasn't
compatible with a MAC Air and would corrupt it each time the user would
try and launch.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: July-26-11 2:42 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: DNS craziness on a mac

i hate to interrupt all the john bashing, but i have something just as
OT i thought i would look for some help with.

client has mac with snow leopard that suddenly can't use DNS.  i can use
nslookup in terminal to successfully query a DNS server.  but DNS
lookups fail when using a browser or even ping.  craziness. 


hosts file and resolv.conf look right.

i'm almost at the point of a rebuild, which is a pain when you have to
reinstall all the adobe CS apps.

Bill

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[William Robbins]

Just a thought...perhaps you need a new workstation if those things you've
listed tax it's resources to the point that you can't do your job
appropriately.

But then, given your posts regarding this "problem" today I doubt you'll
understand anything I have to say either.  But I feel bad for Jonathan whose
head seems to be swelling.

He's been walking around paraphrasing "Tombstone" of all things...

 - WJR


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 14:32, John Aldrich wrote:

> I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook
> is
> a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
> VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
> system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.
>
>
>
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
> dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and
> internet
> browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
> underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
> workstation.
>
> I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup
> time
> and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
> much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
> of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But
> if
> your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
> management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
> memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues
> that
> need to be resolved.
>
> Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
> moment
> 
> From: Steve Ens 
> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
> wrote:
> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
> your
> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
> of
> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>
> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject

Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

[Jonathan Link]

And by the way, that's a joke.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> That reminds me, I need to check my torrents...
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Jeff Steward  wrote:
>
>> I *loathe* FLexLM.  When it works, it works, when it doesn't, you get to
>> chase your tail all for the sake of license compliance.  Nothing like
>> assuming your customers are thieves from the outset.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC
>>> with AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running
>>> license service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up
>>> license server (we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months.
>>> Until today.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server
>>> (for Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building
>>> is an older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10
>>> XP machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer,
>>> but one step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation
>>> with DCPROMO and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me
>>> either.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or
>>> printing and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP
>>> server) Did I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s
>>> OK I didn’t know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not
>>> touching that server.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check
>>> it out and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I
>>> check out the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all
>>> good. Hit AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log
>>> files say “Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart
>>> services check the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the
>>> FlexLM license service) **ALL** point to firewall or connectivity issues
>>> . I turn off the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No
>>> change.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home
>>> and public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network
>>> connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are
>>> completely different for those areas, and once I change the network to think
>>> it’s back on the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect and
>>> all is good.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on
>>> their box so they can’t change it. 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server
>>> wasn’t operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the
>>> AutoCAD PC tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s
>>> own (169.x.x.x or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on
>>> a Public network”, and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP
>>> address but didn’t feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.**
>>> **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over
>>> the place.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *David Lum* *
>>> *Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Mobile 503.267.9764
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~   ~
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>>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Steve Ens]

Loafing is as loafing does.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:30 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> Well, that server can handle the load a bit better than a desktop, I
> think... dual-quad-core CPUS and 2+ Gigs of RAM... :D It's basically
> loafing!
>
>
>
> From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
> wrote:
> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
> your
> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
> of
> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>
> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
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Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

[Jonathan Link]

That reminds me, I need to check my torrents...

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 3:25 PM, Jeff Steward  wrote:

> I *loathe* FLexLM.  When it works, it works, when it doesn't, you get to
> chase your tail all for the sake of license compliance.  Nothing like
> assuming your customers are thieves from the outset.
>
> -Jeff
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>> ** **
>>
>> A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC
>> with AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running
>> license service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up
>> license server (we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months.
>> Until today.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server
>> (for Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building
>> is an older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10
>> XP machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer,
>> but one step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation
>> with DCPROMO and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me
>> either.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or
>> printing and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP
>> server) Did I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s
>> OK I didn’t know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not
>> touching that server.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check
>> it out and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I
>> check out the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all
>> good. Hit AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log
>> files say “Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart
>> services check the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the
>> FlexLM license service) **ALL** point to firewall or connectivity issues
>> . I turn off the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No
>> change.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home and
>> public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network
>> connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are
>> completely different for those areas, and once I change the network to think
>> it’s back on the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect and
>> all is good.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on their
>> box so they can’t change it. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server wasn’t
>> operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the AutoCAD PC
>> tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s own
>> (169.x.x.x or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on a
>> Public network”, and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP
>> address but didn’t feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over
>> the place.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *David Lum* *
>> *Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Mobile 503.267.9764
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>> ---
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>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>>
>
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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

I *AM* running multiple apps at once. Microsoft LookOut!...err... Outlook is
a bit of a resource hog. My AS/400 terminal client is running now, I have a
VNC session going, I have Chrome running multiple tabs... so, yeah... my
system isn't just sitting here doing nothing.



From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes
dedicated) servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet
browsing on a server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically
underpowered PC, then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent
workstation.

I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time
and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as
much stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load
of consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if
your PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few
management consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its
memory (even though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that
need to be resolved.

Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv
Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
moment

From: Steve Ens  
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 -0500
To: NT System Admin Issues
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___
Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.


From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...

ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
 

 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
 
A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
co

RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

Well, that server can handle the load a bit better than a desktop, I
think... dual-quad-core CPUS and 2+ Gigs of RAM... :D It's basically
loafing!



From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___
Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.


From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...

ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
 

 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
 
A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

There's other stuff I can do from my workstation, like RDP into a server or
VNC into a workstation or type a memo, or...




-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Why have a workstation then?

Sent from my POS BlackBerry  wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
moment

-Original Message-
From: "John Aldrich" 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:29:15 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.



From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
 

 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
 
A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.

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Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

[Jeff Steward]

I *loathe* FLexLM.  When it works, it works, when it doesn't, you get to
chase your tail all for the sake of license compliance.  Nothing like
assuming your customers are thieves from the outset.

-Jeff

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:49 AM, David Lum  wrote:

> ** **
>
> A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC
> with AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running
> license service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up
> license server (we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months.
> Until today.
>
> ** **
>
> AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server
> (for Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building
> is an older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10
> XP machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer,
> but one step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation
> with DCPROMO and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me
> either.
>
> ** **
>
> I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or
> printing and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP
> server) Did I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s
> OK I didn’t know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not
> touching that server.
>
> ** **
>
> Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check it
> out and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I check
> out the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all good.
> Hit AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log files
> say “Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart services
> check the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.
>
> ** **
>
> The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the
> FlexLM license service) **ALL** point to firewall or connectivity issues .
> I turn off the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No change.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home and
> public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network
> connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are
> completely different for those areas, and once I change the network to think
> it’s back on the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect and
> all is good.
>
> ** **
>
> I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on their
> box so they can’t change it. 
>
> ** **
>
> I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server wasn’t
> operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the AutoCAD PC
> tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s own
> (169.x.x.x or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on a
> Public network”, and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP
> address but didn’t feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over the
> place.
>
> ** **
>
> *David Lum* *
> *Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Mobile 503.267.9764
>
> ** **
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RE: DNS craziness on a mac

[Scott Schneider]

I have had similar issues. Had to purchase Disk Warrior and found
corrupt permissions on the Mac. Seems to happen when installing 3rd
party USB WIFI sticks. Verizon's came with an old installer which wasn't
compatible with a MAC Air and would corrupt it each time the user would
try and launch.

-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: July-26-11 2:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: DNS craziness on a mac

i hate to interrupt all the john bashing, but i have something just as
OT i thought i would look for some help with.

client has mac with snow leopard that suddenly can't use DNS.  i can use
nslookup in terminal to successfully query a DNS server.  but DNS
lookups fail when using a browser or even ping.  craziness. 

hosts file and resolv.conf look right.

i'm almost at the point of a rebuild, which is a pain when you have to
reinstall all the adobe CS apps.

Bill

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RE: OT: DNS craziness on a mac

[Rod Trent]

That's from 2009

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT: DNS craziness on a mac

 

 

I am getting a lot of google hits on this saying snow leopard and some
routers don't play well together. For example:

 

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2009121012085684

 



 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bill Humphries 
wrote:

i hate to interrupt all the john bashing, but i have something just as OT i
thought i would look for some help with.

client has mac with snow leopard that suddenly can't use DNS.  i can use
nslookup in terminal to successfully query a DNS server.  but DNS lookups
fail when using a browser or even ping.  craziness. 
hosts file and resolv.conf look right.

i'm almost at the point of a rebuild, which is a pain when you have to
reinstall all the adobe CS apps.

Bill

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Re: mgmt consoles (was RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot)

[Andrew S. Baker]

That's one tactic that is fairly commonly used.

I sort of do both right now.   I have most consoles on my desktop, AND I
have a personal server that hosts all of them, plus some.   Some days, I
spend more time on the server (via RDP) than on my desktop.


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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:21 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> Exchange is not dissimilar. I don’t know if it loads the mgmt console by
> default but it always seemed weird to me that the full installer interface
> was presented when all you wanted was the console.
>
> ** **
>
> Which brings me to a Q: I have what is effectively my “management” server
> (a VM) that has most of the consoles on it (Exchange, Shavlik, vSphere
> client, etc). I simply RDP to it when I need to administer something (unless
> it’s a web-based tool like PGP or McAfee ePO). Saves me the trouble of
> moving those around when I change PC’s. If I need a hardware upgrade I move
> the VM. 
>
> ** **
>
> In general I don’t like consoles on my personal machine because they seem
> to load way more services and crap than you really want and once you have a
> few of them your machine becomes slow just doing e-mail and browsing, etc.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Is this an unusual setup? I seem to recall reading (years ago)  that this
> was a good idea but didn’t know if many people actually did this.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:22 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> ** **
>
> It also allows you to install the console elsewhere...
>
> Just because SQL server installs a local console by default doesn't mean
> that this is the best place to run it for day to day administration...
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:12 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that the console is designed to
> run
> on the server. I mean it installs the console when you install the server.
> :D
>
>
>
> From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:59 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A lot of today’s software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it
> connect back to a server.
>
> For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop
> and not log into the server (though I wouldn’t recommend this to a someone
> who doesn’t have any clue about security.)
>
> I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running
> from
> a server is a bad thing.™
>
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
> 
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
>
>

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RE: OT: DNS craziness on a mac

[Kennedy, Jim]

I am getting a lot of google hits on this saying snow leopard and some routers 
don't play well together. For example:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2009121012085684




On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bill Humphries 
mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com>> wrote:
i hate to interrupt all the john bashing, but i have something just as OT i 
thought i would look for some help with.

client has mac with snow leopard that suddenly can't use DNS.  i can use 
nslookup in terminal to successfully query a DNS server.  but DNS lookups fail 
when using a browser or even ping.  craziness.
hosts file and resolv.conf look right.

i'm almost at the point of a rebuild, which is a pain when you have to 
reinstall all the adobe CS apps.

Bill

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Re: OT: DNS craziness on a mac

[Jonathan Link]

Firewall disabling http/https perhaps?



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Bill Humphries wrote:

> i hate to interrupt all the john bashing, but i have something just as OT i
> thought i would look for some help with.
>
> client has mac with snow leopard that suddenly can't use DNS.  i can use
> nslookup in terminal to successfully query a DNS server.  but DNS lookups
> fail when using a browser or even ping.  craziness.
> hosts file and resolv.conf look right.
>
> i'm almost at the point of a rebuild, which is a pain when you have to
> reinstall all the adobe CS apps.
>
> Bill
>
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OT: DNS craziness on a mac

[Bill Humphries]

i hate to interrupt all the john bashing, but i have something just as 
OT i thought i would look for some help with.


client has mac with snow leopard that suddenly can't use DNS.  i can use 
nslookup in terminal to successfully query a DNS server.  but DNS 
lookups fail when using a browser or even ping.  craziness. 


hosts file and resolv.conf look right.

i'm almost at the point of a rebuild, which is a pain when you have to 
reinstall all the adobe CS apps.


Bill

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Outlook LDAP Address Book

[Kelli Sterley]

I have an LDAP address book within outlook for all my users.  I need to make
a change to the search base under More Settings -> Search -> Search Base.

Is there a way to do this without visiting every desktop?  All other
settings are staying the same.

Kelli

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Kelli Sterley]

+1 ... I run the console on my desktop with no "hogging"

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Roger Wright  wrote:

> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
>
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
>>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
>>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
>>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but
>>> that
>>> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre
>>> services,
>>> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
>>> 
>>> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
>>> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
>>> your
>>> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically
>>> manages
>>> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
>>> of
>>> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>>>
>>> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>>>
>>> ASB
>>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>>>  wrote:
>>> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled
>>> basis…
>>> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
>>> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
>>> bit
>>> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
>>> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>>>
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>>
>>> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>>>
>>>
>>> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>>>
>>> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
>>> previous two issues)?
>>> ASB
>>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>>>  wrote:
>>> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the
>>> server
>>> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I
>>> have
>>> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
>>> Sunbelt
>>> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
>>> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's
>>> non-interactive.)
>>> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
>>> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>>>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Gary Slinger]

Syphilitic budgies fornicating with pox ridden gerbils in a blender!

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:10 PM, William Robbins wrote:

> +1  (Just for Gary)
>
>  - WJR
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 13:08, Free, Bob  wrote:
>
>>  Cessation of the behavior J
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:00 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Yes. But when everything produces the same result, what then?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, Free, Bob  wrote:
>> > You know the old axiom about the definition of insanity?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I’m coming to the conclusion the Doctors need a dose of their own
>> medicine …
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:34 AM
>>
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You don't see it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You're like the patient who goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor my arm
>> hurts when I do this."
>> >
>> > Doctor says "Don't do that."
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We are the doctor telling you to avoid behavior that causes you pain.
>> And this isn't the first time our prescription has involved a modification
>> of behavior.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
>> > server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
>> > updating as they should, etc.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
>> >
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> >
>> > Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> > ~   ~
>> >
>> > ---
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Gary Slinger]

As a random aside, I've written corporate policies before where, if I found
you arbitrarily logging on to a server "itself" (either physically, or via
RDP) to "check something", when the management console was available on your
desktop, I'd start you on the path to termination.   With you doing this
stuff in a way that leads to reboots, I doubt I'd even need more than one
call to HR.

Leave the server alone.   Use your workstation and the remote tools
properly.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:29 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
> wrote:
> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
>
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
> your
> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
> of
> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>
> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[kz20fl]

This I don't understand, running of management tools on (sometimes dedicated) 
servers. Why not go the whole hog and run your email and internet browsing on a 
server too? If you were using a thin client or a drastically underpowered PC, 
then this would make sense, but not if you have a decent workstation.

I agree that running lots of consoles creates a headache due to startup time 
and occasionally on a resource basis, so what we try to do is integrate as much 
stuff as possible into OpsManager, so we don't need to stare at a load of 
consoles. Then I can only open consoles as I need to work on them. But if your 
PC can't handle running seven or eight applications including a few management 
consoles, or if you worry because your machine uses lots of its memory (even 
though it is there to be used), then you have a few issues that need to be 
resolved.

Just my 2 penneth worth, ymmv

Sent from my POS BlackBerry  wireless device, which may wipe itself at any 
moment

-Original Message-
From: Steve Ens 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:04:20 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server 
on reboot

Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich  wrote:

> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
>___
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
> wrote:
> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
>
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
> your
> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
> of
> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>
> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource 

Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[William Robbins]

+1  (Just for Gary)

 - WJR


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 13:08, Free, Bob  wrote:

>  Cessation of the behavior J
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:00 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> ** **
>
> Yes. But when everything produces the same result, what then?
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, Free, Bob  wrote:
> > You know the old axiom about the definition of insanity?
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m coming to the conclusion the Doctors need a dose of their own
> medicine …
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:34 AM
>
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> >
> >
> >
> > You don't see it.
> >
> >
> >
> > You're like the patient who goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor my arm
> hurts when I do this."
> >
> > Doctor says "Don't do that."
> >
> >
> >
> > We are the doctor telling you to avoid behavior that causes you pain.
> And this isn't the first time our prescription has involved a modification
> of behavior.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
> >
> > Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
> > server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
> > updating as they should, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
> >
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> >
> > Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> >
> > Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
> >
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~   ~
> >
> > ---
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> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Steve Ens]

Better on a workstation than on a server is all I can say.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:29 PM, John Aldrich  wrote:

> Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
> bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D
>
>
>
> From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
> my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.
>
>
> Roger Wright
> ___
> Dr. Seuss is my favorite rapper!  Cat - Hat... sheer genius!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
> wrote:
> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
>
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
> your
> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
> of
> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>
> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ---
> To manage subscriptions click here:
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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> ~   ~
>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Jonathan Link]

Yes. But when everything produces the same result, what then?

On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, Free, Bob  wrote:
> You know the old axiom about the definition of insanity?
>
>
>
> I’m coming to the conclusion the Doctors need a dose of their own medicine
…
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:34 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
>
>
> You don't see it.
>
>
>
> You're like the patient who goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor my arm
hurts when I do this."
>
> Doctor says "Don't do that."
>
>
>
> We are the doctor telling you to avoid behavior that causes you pain.  And
this isn't the first time our prescription has involved a modification of
behavior.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM, John Aldrich <
jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
> server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
> updating as they should, etc.
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ---
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Jonathan Link]

You don't see it.

You're like the patient who goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor my arm
hurts when I do this."
Doctor says "Don't do that."

We are the doctor telling you to avoid behavior that causes you pain.  And
this isn't the first time our prescription has involved a modification of
behavior.



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:28 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
> server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
> updating as they should, etc.
>
>
>
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[kz20fl]

Why have a workstation then?

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moment

-Original Message-
From: "John Aldrich" 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 13:29:15 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.



From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...

ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
 

 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
 
A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.

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Re: mgmt consoles (was RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot)

[Jonathan Link]

IME, the Vipre Console is a bit of a resource hog.  I only run it when I
need to run a one off report or manually deploy an agent.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM,  wrote:

> I have loads of consoles and no slowdown. I use a virtual desktop too. I
> have loads of RAM, and very occasionally an MMC will eat loads of memory,
> but that's usually when I haven't rebooted for weeks
>
> Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any
> moment
> --
> *From: * David Lum 
> *Date: *Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:21:57 +
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *mgmt consoles (was RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot)
>
> Exchange is not dissimilar. I don’t know if it loads the mgmt console by
> default but it always seemed weird to me that the full installer interface
> was presented when all you wanted was the console.
>
> ** **
>
> Which brings me to a Q: I have what is effectively my “management” server
> (a VM) that has most of the consoles on it (Exchange, Shavlik, vSphere
> client, etc). I simply RDP to it when I need to administer something (unless
> it’s a web-based tool like PGP or McAfee ePO). Saves me the trouble of
> moving those around when I change PC’s. If I need a hardware upgrade I move
> the VM. 
>
> ** **
>
> In general I don’t like consoles on my personal machine because they seem
> to load way more services and crap than you really want and once you have a
> few of them your machine becomes slow just doing e-mail and browsing, etc.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Is this an unusual setup? I seem to recall reading (years ago)  that this
> was a good idea but didn’t know if many people actually did this.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:22 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> ** **
>
> It also allows you to install the console elsewhere...
>
> Just because SQL server installs a local console by default doesn't mean
> that this is the best place to run it for day to day administration...
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:12 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that the console is designed to
> run
> on the server. I mean it installs the console when you install the server.
> :D
>
>
>
> From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:59 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A lot of today’s software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it
> connect back to a server.
>
> For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop
> and not log into the server (though I wouldn’t recommend this to a someone
> who doesn’t have any clue about security.)
>
> I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running
> from
> a server is a bad thing.™
>
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
> 
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

Well, yeah... but I don't choose to load down my workstation with a whole
bunch of management consoles and associated crap. :D



From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?


 
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.



From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...

ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
 

 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
 
A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.

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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

Easy -- so I don't have to wait for it to load up when I RDP into the
server. :D I like to keep an eye on things and make sure everyone is
updating as they should, etc.



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?




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Re: mgmt consoles (was RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot)

[kz20fl]

I have loads of consoles and no slowdown. I use a virtual desktop too. I have 
loads of RAM, and very occasionally an MMC will eat loads of memory, but that's 
usually when I haven't rebooted for weeks

Sent from my POS BlackBerry  wireless device, which may wipe itself at any 
moment

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 17:21:57 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: mgmt consoles (was RE: Vipre 
console hangs server on reboot)

Exchange is not dissimilar. I don't know if it loads the mgmt console by 
default but it always seemed weird to me that the full installer interface was 
presented when all you wanted was the console.

Which brings me to a Q: I have what is effectively my "management" server (a 
VM) that has most of the consoles on it (Exchange, Shavlik, vSphere client, 
etc). I simply RDP to it when I need to administer something (unless it's a 
web-based tool like PGP or McAfee ePO). Saves me the trouble of moving those 
around when I change PC's. If I need a hardware upgrade I move the VM.

In general I don't like consoles on my personal machine because they seem to 
load way more services and crap than you really want and once you have a few of 
them your machine becomes slow just doing e-mail and browsing, etc.

Is this an unusual setup? I seem to recall reading (years ago)  that this was a 
good idea but didn't know if many people actually did this.

Dave

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

It also allows you to install the console elsewhere...

Just because SQL server installs a local console by default doesn't mean that 
this is the best place to run it for day to day administration...
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:12 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that the console is designed to run
on the server. I mean it installs the console when you install the server.
:D



From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A lot of today's software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it
connect back to a server.

For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop
and not log into the server (though I wouldn't recommend this to a someone
who doesn't have any clue about security.)

I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running from
a server is a bad thing.(tm)

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis...
THAT server has never had any real issues... As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another machine as it's a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don't like killing off a
process "just because", and that's what that seems like to me.


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Roger Wright]

Agreed.  I can run the VIPRE console on the server but choose to do it from
my desktop machine instead.  It's rarely open on the server.


Roger Wright
___

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
>> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
>> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
>> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
>> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
>> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
>> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
>> 
>> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
>> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
>> your
>> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically
>> manages
>> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
>> of
>> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>>
>> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>>
>> ASB
>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>>  wrote:
>> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled
>> basis…
>> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
>> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
>> bit
>> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
>> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>>
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>>
>>
>> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>>
>> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
>> previous two issues)?
>> ASB
>> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
>> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>>  wrote:
>> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
>> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
>> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
>> Sunbelt
>> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
>> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's
>> non-interactive.)
>> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
>> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
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mgmt consoles (was RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot)

[David Lum]

Exchange is not dissimilar. I don't know if it loads the mgmt console by 
default but it always seemed weird to me that the full installer interface was 
presented when all you wanted was the console.

Which brings me to a Q: I have what is effectively my "management" server (a 
VM) that has most of the consoles on it (Exchange, Shavlik, vSphere client, 
etc). I simply RDP to it when I need to administer something (unless it's a 
web-based tool like PGP or McAfee ePO). Saves me the trouble of moving those 
around when I change PC's. If I need a hardware upgrade I move the VM.

In general I don't like consoles on my personal machine because they seem to 
load way more services and crap than you really want and once you have a few of 
them your machine becomes slow just doing e-mail and browsing, etc.

Is this an unusual setup? I seem to recall reading (years ago)  that this was a 
good idea but didn't know if many people actually did this.

Dave

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

It also allows you to install the console elsewhere...

Just because SQL server installs a local console by default doesn't mean that 
this is the best place to run it for day to day administration...
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:12 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that the console is designed to run
on the server. I mean it installs the console when you install the server.
:D



From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A lot of today's software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it
connect back to a server.

For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop
and not log into the server (though I wouldn't recommend this to a someone
who doesn't have any clue about security.)

I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running from
a server is a bad thing.(tm)

From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis...
THAT server has never had any real issues... As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another machine as it's a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don't like killing off a
process "just because", and that's what that seems like to me.


From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Jonathan Link]

Why on earth have the console running all the time, then?



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
> Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
> want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
> not to automatically reboot the server weekly.
>
>
>
> From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
> seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
> by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill
> 
> From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
> Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
> down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then
> your
> only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
> the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state
> of
> the server (e.g. workstation locked).
>
> Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...
>
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

Nope... it's not the Vipre server that's the problem, it's the console.
Guess I'll just have to live with manually shutting down the console if I
want to reboot the server. It's not that big a deal now that I've decided
not to automatically reboot the server weekly.



From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

how about a "net stop ".  I can't test right now, but that
seems like it would stop the console too.  there's two key vipre services,
by the way.  If you can "net stop", there's no reason to taskkill

From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...

ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
 

 
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
 
A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.

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Re: Schedule batch files to run accoss multiple servers and multiple schedules

[Kurt Buff]

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 22:30, Dean Cunningham
 wrote:
> Looking for suggestions to manage scheduling of batch files to run on
> particular servers at scheduled times (weekly, two weekly, monthly etc)
>
> Currently we use sheduled tasks to set this up per server, but would like
> better visability and manageability as to what is scheduled accross the
> servers (100ish) multiple domains.
>
> Needs to be domain independant

There used to be a package called Robot, from Opalis. I see that
Opalis was recently bought by MSFT and is getting integrated into
System Center - I don't know where that leave the Robot product, but
it's worth a look.

Kurt

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Andrew S. Baker]

It also allows you to install the console elsewhere...

Just because SQL server installs a local console by default doesn't mean
that this is the best place to run it for day to day administration...

* *

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:12 PM, John Aldrich  wrote:

> I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that the console is designed to
> run
> on the server. I mean it installs the console when you install the server.
> :D
>
>
>
> From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:59 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A lot of today’s software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it
> connect back to a server.
>
> For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop
> and not log into the server (though I wouldn’t recommend this to a someone
> who doesn’t have any clue about security.)
>
> I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running
> from
> a server is a bad thing.™
>
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Andrew S. Baker]

Well, if they (app vendor) offer no programmatic way to shut the console
down, and they (app vendor) are suggesting that you kill the task, then your
only other alternative will be an application that programmatically manages
the dialog boxes.   This approach will likely be complicated by the state of
the server (e.g. workstation locked).

Process killing is rarely fraught with peril...

* *

*ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:44 AM, John Aldrich  wrote:

> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
> ** **
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Thread-Count]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> ** **
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
> 
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
>
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
>
>

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[James Rankin]

You aren't obliged to use it, though. That's normally just installed because
there's no guarantee it will get installed anywhere else, and/or for tech
support to use.

I always run all my admin tools remotely, where I can. No point having RDP
sessions for everything.

On 26 July 2011 17:12, John Aldrich  wrote:

> I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that the console is designed to
> run
> on the server. I mean it installs the console when you install the server.
> :D
>
>
>
> From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:59 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A lot of today’s software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it
> connect back to a server.
>
> For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop
> and not log into the server (though I wouldn’t recommend this to a someone
> who doesn’t have any clue about security.)
>
> I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running
> from
> a server is a bad thing.™
>
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a
> bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
>
>
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
> ASB
> http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
> Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
>  wrote:
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

I won't swear to it, but I'm pretty sure that the console is designed to run
on the server. I mean it installs the console when you install the server.
:D 



From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A lot of today’s software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it
connect back to a server.

For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop
and not log into the server (though I wouldn’t recommend this to a someone
who doesn’t have any clue about security.) 

I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running from
a server is a bad thing.™

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.



From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?


B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?
ASB
http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker
Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Gasper, Rick]

A lot of today's software is designed to run on a local desktop and then it 
connect back to a server.

For example:  You can administer active directory from your local desktop and 
not log into the server (though I wouldn't recommend this to a someone who 
doesn't have any clue about security.)

I am not familiar with the product you  mentioned but sometimes running from a 
server is a bad thing.(tm)

From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis... 
THAT server has never had any real issues... As for not running the Console 
remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another machine as it's a bit of 
a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don't like killing off a process 
"just because", and that's what that seems like to me.

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From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?

B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the previous 
two issues)?
ASB

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.


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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Don Ely]

"...to see what's up"

Not the server, it gets rebooted all the time...

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:50 AM, James Rankin  wrote:

> In that case, I would recommend some Process Monitor tracing to see what's
> up
>
>
> On 26 July 2011 16:44, John Aldrich  wrote:
>
>> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled
>> basis… THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the
>> Console remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as
>> it’s a bit of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing
>> off a process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Thread-Count]
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
>> 
>>
>>
>> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>>
>> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
>> previous two issues)?
>>
>> 
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
>> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
>> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
>> Sunbelt
>> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
>> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's
>> non-interactive.)
>> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
>> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[James Rankin]

In that case, I would recommend some Process Monitor tracing to see what's
up

On 26 July 2011 16:44, John Aldrich  wrote:

> I suppose there’s no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis…
> THAT server has never had any real issues… As for not running the Console
> remotely, I really don’t wish to install it on another machine as it’s a bit
> of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don’t like killing off a
> process “just because”, and that’s what that seems like to me.
>
> ** **
>
> [image: John-Aldrich][image: Thread-Count]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot
>
> ** **
>
> A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?
> 
>
>
> B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?
>
> C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
> previous two issues)?
>
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
>
> 
>
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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

I suppose there's no real reason to reboot the server on a scheduled basis.
THAT server has never had any real issues. As for not running the Console
remotely, I really don't wish to install it on another machine as it's a bit
of a resource hog. As far as taskkill, I just don't like killing off a
process "just because", and that's what that seems like to me.

 

John-AldrichThread-Count

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

 

A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?



B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?




ASB


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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich
 wrote:

I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.




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RE: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

Correction... They did see this in the log files:
Error   6   2011-07-20T01:03:08 634467205887687039  Error in
UpdateSiteStatuses
Enterprise.Console.EnterpriseConsole.UpdateSiteStatuses( Boolean )+3852
System.Data.EntityException: The underlying provider failed on Open. --->
System.Data.SqlClient.SqlException: A network-related or instance-specific
error occurred while establishing a connection to SQL Server. The server was
not found or was not accessible. Verify that the instance name is correct
and that SQL Server is configured to allow remote connections. (provider:
SQL Network Interfaces, error: 26 - Error Locating Server/Instance
Specified)
   at System.Data.ProviderBase.DbConnectionPool.CreateObject(DbConnection
owningObject)

Tech support requested that I ensure that the SQL server *was* running and
able to log in as a local account, which it was. They also asked me to
schedule a reboot with the console *off*, which proceeded nicely. Obviously
something in the console is causing the server to hang. I don't know why.


From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

Hey CB,
Do you think that there might be an underlying issue that is causing a
server hang?  Perhaps see if you can fix the cause rather than just remedy
using a task killer.
Why does the server hang with the VEC open?  Any clues in your event viewer?
Steve



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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Andrew S. Baker]

A - Why are you rebooting the server on a scheduled basis?

B - Why are you not running the Vipre console remotely?

C - What's wrong with Taskkill (assuming you don't wish to address the
previous two issues)?


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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 11:14 AM, John Aldrich  wrote:

> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
>
>
>

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Re: Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[Steve Ens]

Hey CB,
Do you think that there might be an underlying issue that is causing a
server hang?  Perhaps see if you can fix the cause rather than just remedy
using a task killer.
Why does the server hang with the VEC open?  Any clues in your event viewer?
Steve

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:14 AM, John Aldrich  wrote:

> I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
> to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
> to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with
> Sunbelt
> support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
> console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
> They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
> suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Vipre console hangs server on reboot

[John Aldrich]

I have to manually shut down Vipre Enterprise Console if I want the server
to come up on a scheduled reboot, otherwise it hangs the server and I have
to manually power-cycle the server to get it to work. I checked with Sunbelt
support and they said there is no way to *programmatically* close the
console when I reboot the server (scheduled task, so it's non-interactive.)
They suggested using Microsoft's TaskKill. Anyone got any better
suggestions? Server is Windows 2003R2 standard.






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Re: Give PHP under IIS7.5 rights to create folders without giving IUSR users full writes

[Andrew S. Baker]

Why does this script need that right?

What does it do?

Is there a better way to go about this?

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Oliver Marshall <
oliver.marsh...@g2support.com> wrote:

> Hi chaps
>
> ** **
>
> I need to a PHP script running on our IIS7.5 server the ability to create
> folders within the public site. Normally we don’t need PHP to be able to
> create any folders on the webserver itself but in this case a script needs
> to create new folders on the root of the main site (ie blah.com/folder1,
> /folder2 etc). 
>
> ** **
>
> Is there a way that any one knows of to give IIS permission to create
> folders without giving the IUSR user (and this all users that access the
> site) full rights?
>
> ** **
>
> Olly
>
> 
>
>
>

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RE: Schedule batch files to run accoss multiple servers and multiple schedules

[Christopher Bodnar]

I've worked with CA AutoSys in a distributed environment before. Not bad, 
but pricey.


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Technical Support III
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
Email: christopher_bod...@glic.com
Phone: 610-807-6459
Fax: 610-807-6003



From:   David Lum 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:   07/26/2011 01:34 AM
Subject:RE: Schedule batch files to run accoss multiple servers 
and multiple schedules



ActiveBatch
http://www.advsyscon.com/
 
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From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:dean.cunning...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 10:31 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Schedule batch files to run accoss multiple servers and multiple 
schedules
 
Looking for suggestions to manage scheduling of batch files to run on 
particular servers at scheduled times (weekly, two weekly, monthly etc)
 
Currently we use sheduled tasks to set this up per server, but would like 
better visability and manageability as to what is scheduled accross the 
servers (100ish) multiple domains. 
 
Needs to be domain independant 
 
cheers
Dean
 
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RE: Here's the kind of crap that'll make you insane

[Mayo, Bill]

I’m glad it’s not just me.  I had to adjust our server policy to have the 
firewall settings the same regardless of the network it was on to prevent this 
issue.  The first time it happened, it took me forever to figure out what the 
problem was.

 

From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Here's the kind of crap that'll make you insane

 

Nice catch, I have seen that on a few of my systems before, drove us nuts 
trying to tell the NIC’s they should be under a domain profile not Public!!!

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Here's the kind of crap that'll make you insane

 

Hey cool – how did you find that? It hadn’t occurred to me to see if it was an 
OS thing and not something I did.

 

Dave

 

From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

 

Take a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2524478/en-us?sd=rss&spid=14134 

 

It seems it’s not just you.

 

Mike

 

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: 26 July 2011 10:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

 

I dont know if you're close or not, but I can guarantee that people pirating 
Autocad aren't having this trouble.



Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint

 



On Jul 26, 2011 12:49 AM, David Lum  wrote: 

 

A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC with 
AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running license 
service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up license server 
(we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months. Until today.

 

AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server (for 
Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building is an 
older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10 XP 
machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer, but one 
step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation with DCPROMO 
and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me either.

 

I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or printing 
and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP server) Did 
I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s OK I didn’t 
know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not touching that server.

 

Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check it out 
and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I check out 
the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all good. Hit 
AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log files say 
“Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart services check 
the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.

 

The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the FlexLM 
license service) *ALL* point to firewall or connectivity issues . I turn off 
the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No change.

 

You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home and 
public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network 
connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are completely 
different for those areas, and once I change the network to think it’s back on 
the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect and all is good.

 

I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on their box 
so they can’t change it. 

 

I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server wasn’t 
operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the AutoCAD PC 
tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s own (169.x.x.x 
or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on a Public network”, 
and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP address but didn’t 
feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.

 

Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over the 
place.

 

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Mobile 503.267.9764

 

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Double-checking MX record situation

[RichardMcClary]

Greetings!

First, what most consider "email" is not directly affected by public DNS 
settings and MX records for our location.  Our incoming mail hits our 
hosted relay, goes to our NYC offices (yes, public DNS and MX records are 
most definitely involved there!), and then to us via a separate WAN 
connection.

This concerns an email-to-fax path we have...

Currently, the IL office is on one internet provider.  It hosts DNS for 
our offices (.mwro.aspca.org.).  The NYC offices are one a separate 
internet provider and a separate DNS host.  (The NYC DNS host is the 
authoritative host for .aspca.org., so it holds nameserver records for 
.mwro.aspca.org.  All has been well.)

We are nearly finished with the move to having both locations (NYC, IL) 
though the same provider and on a single DNS host.  In our first attempt, 
all external services appeared to be functioning well except for the 
mail-to-fax service.

Fax service is for the IL location only, and it is out-bound faxing only. 
For a number of reasons (ie, we have probably dug ourselves into a deep 
hole here), fax requests leave our LAN, to to an external hosted relay 
(Postini), and then are sent on to the fax server (which has its own MTA). 
 The fax server recieves the mailed fax request, dials the number, and 
sends the attached document.

Fax requests are addressed to "[fax_number]@faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org".

The current internet service provider (ISP), hosting DNS records for 
.mwro.aspca.org. only, has:
=
DNS records for mwro.aspca.org.:

NameTypeData 
SOA cbru.br.ns.els-gms.att.net.
NS  cbru.br.ns.els-gms.att.net.
NS  cmtu.mt.ns.els-gms.att.net.

faxcore1.   A   12.15.29.135

@.  MX  10 faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.
faxcore1.   MX  10 faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.


Again, all works with this arrangement!

My question is, are the following entries for the future ISP/DNS host 
correct?

First, the nameserver records for .mwro.aspca.org have been deleted.  That 
is, this DNS host would then be the authority of all of ASPCA and have the 
records for .mwro.aspca.org. as well as for .aspca.org.
==
faxcore1.mwro   IN  A   63.85.204.151

apccIN  MX  10  napcc.aspca.org.
listIN  MX  10  laser.sparklist.com.
napcc   IN  MX  5   mail.napcc.aspca.org.
napcc   IN  MX  10  napcc.aspca.org.
nso IN  MX  10  nso.aspca.org.
@.mwro  IN  MX  10  faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.
faxcore1.mwro   IN  MX  10  faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org.
==
(Yes, firewall settings were checked multiple times.  Other entries for 
.mwro., not shown, functioned correctly.)

Specific questions:

1. I believe the entry "@.mwro" should be deleted, correct?

2. Is the context of the line "faxcore1.mwro.aspca.org" correct?

3. Finally, is the fact that no fax requests came into the fax server for 
a two hour period most likely due to our hosted mail relay not seeing the 
updated MX records at the "new" DNS location?  That is, had we given the 
connections, DNS settings, etc 4-8 hours, might the fax requests have 
begun arriving at faxcore1.mwro.aspa.org?

We are trying to determine if the failure of the faxing was due to 
improper DNS MX record entries or simply a matter of not waiting long 
enough.

Thanks!
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RE: Here's the kind of crap that'll make you insane

[Ziots, Edward]

Nice catch, I have seen that on a few of my systems before, drove us nuts 
trying to tell the NIC’s they should be under a domain profile not Public!!!

 

Z

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Here's the kind of crap that'll make you insane

 

Hey cool – how did you find that? It hadn’t occurred to me to see if it was an 
OS thing and not something I did.

 

Dave

 

From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

 

Take a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2524478/en-us?sd=rss&spid=14134 

 

It seems it’s not just you.

 

Mike

 

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: 26 July 2011 10:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

 

I dont know if you're close or not, but I can guarantee that people pirating 
Autocad aren't having this trouble.




Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint

 



On Jul 26, 2011 12:49 AM, David Lum  wrote: 

 

A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC with 
AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running license 
service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up license server 
(we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months. Until today.

 

AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server (for 
Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building is an 
older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10 XP 
machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer, but one 
step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation with DCPROMO 
and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me either.

 

I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or printing 
and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP server) Did 
I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s OK I didn’t 
know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not touching that server.

 

Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check it out 
and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I check out 
the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all good. Hit 
AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log files say 
“Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart services check 
the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.

 

The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the FlexLM 
license service) *ALL* point to firewall or connectivity issues . I turn off 
the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No change.

 

You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home and 
public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network 
connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are completely 
different for those areas, and once I change the network to think it’s back on 
the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect and all is good.

 

I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on their box 
so they can’t change it. 

 

I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server wasn’t 
operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the AutoCAD PC 
tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s own (169.x.x.x 
or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on a Public network”, 
and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP address but didn’t 
feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.

 

Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over the 
place.

 

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Mobile 503.267.9764

 

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RE: Here's the kind of crap that'll make you insane

[David Lum]

Hey cool – how did you find that? It hadn’t occurred to me to see if it was an 
OS thing and not something I did.

Dave

From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 2:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

Take a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2524478/en-us?sd=rss&spid=14134

It seems it’s not just you.

Mike

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: 26 July 2011 10:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

I dont know if you're close or not, but I can guarantee that people pirating 
Autocad aren't having this trouble.



Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint


On Jul 26, 2011 12:49 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:

A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC with 
AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running license 
service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up license server 
(we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months. Until today.

AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server (for 
Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building is an 
older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10 XP 
machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer, but one 
step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation with DCPROMO 
and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me either.

I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or printing 
and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP server) Did 
I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s OK I didn’t 
know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not touching that server.

Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check it out 
and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I check out 
the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all good. Hit 
AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log files say 
“Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart services check 
the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.

The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the FlexLM 
license service) *ALL* point to firewall or connectivity issues . I turn off 
the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No change.

You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home and 
public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network 
connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are completely 
different for those areas, and once I change the network to think it’s back on 
the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect and all is good.

I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on their box 
so they can’t change it.

I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server wasn’t 
operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the AutoCAD PC 
tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s own (169.x.x.x 
or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on a Public network”, 
and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP address but didn’t 
feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.

Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over the 
place.

David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Mobile 503.267.9764


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RE: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

[Michael B. Smith]

If you are current (5.03), PFs aren't necessary. I don't remember the exact 
point at which they weren't necessary, but it's been "a while" now.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Dean Cunningham [mailto:dean.cunning...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 System Public Folders

IIRC, if you have Blackberry server it may need the public folders for wireless 
calendar
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Crawford, Scott 
mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu>> wrote:
Now that we're 100% Outlook 2007/2010 and Exhchange 2010, is there any reason I 
shouldn't delete the System Public Folders? I still have other public folders, 
so I don't want to remove all public folders yet.

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Re: Schedule batch files to run accoss multiple servers and multiple schedules

[Andrew S. Baker]

It's called "Enterprise Job Scheduling". David has provided a good
recommendation in that category.

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:30 AM, Dean Cunningham
wrote:

> Looking for suggestions to manage scheduling of batch files to run on
> particular servers at scheduled times (weekly, two weekly, monthly etc)
>
> Currently we use sheduled tasks to set this up per server, but would like
> better visability and manageability as to what is scheduled accross the
> servers (100ish) multiple domains.
>
> Needs to be domain independant
>
> cheers
> Dean
>
>
>
>

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RE: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

[Mike Hoffman]

Take a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2524478/en-us?sd=rss&spid=14134

It seems it’s not just you.

Mike

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: 26 July 2011 10:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

I dont know if you're close or not, but I can guarantee that people pirating 
Autocad aren't having this trouble.




Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint



On Jul 26, 2011 12:49 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:

A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC with 
AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running license 
service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up license server 
(we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months. Until today.

AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server (for 
Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building is an 
older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10 XP 
machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer, but one 
step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation with DCPROMO 
and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me either.

I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or printing 
and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP server) Did 
I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s OK I didn’t 
know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not touching that server.

Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check it out 
and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I check out 
the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all good. Hit 
AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log files say 
“Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart services check 
the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.

The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the FlexLM 
license service) *ALL* point to firewall or connectivity issues . I turn off 
the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No change.

You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home and 
public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network 
connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are completely 
different for those areas, and once I change the network to think it’s back on 
the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect and all is good.

I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on their box 
so they can’t change it.

I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server wasn’t 
operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the AutoCAD PC 
tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s own (169.x.x.x 
or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on a Public network”, 
and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP address but didn’t 
feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.

Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over the 
place.

David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Mobile 503.267.9764


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Re: Here's the kind fo crap that'll make you insane

[Crawford, Scott]

I dont know if you're close or not, but I can guarantee that people pirating 
Autocad aren't having this trouble.



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On Jul 26, 2011 12:49 AM, David Lum  wrote:


A customer of mine runs AutoCAD, and the licensing runs on a server (PC with 
AutoCAD fires up the app, the app looks to a server for a running license 
service and checks out a license. I install it on PC and set up license server 
(we’ll call it AutoCADServer) and works peachy for months. Until today.

AutoCADServer does DNS, DHCP, file server (for everyone) and print server (for 
Win7 machines only at the moment). TheOtherServer in the same building is an 
older machine and is a Domain Controller and print server for about 10 XP 
machines but not much else. I am going to decommission TheOtherServer, but one 
step at a time so I DCPROMO it last Thursday. See any correlation with DCPROMO 
and the AutoCAD PC or the license service on AutoCADServer? Me either.

I am onsite Friday AM to make sure there are no problems logging in or printing 
and all is reported cool. (well, I did have to reauthorize the DHCP server) Did 
I mention the one AutoCAD users is on vacation this day? That’s OK I didn’t 
know either, but I figured it didn’t matter since I’m not touching that server.

Today I am onsite and the AutoCAD guy says he can’t use AutoCAD. I check it out 
and I get a “Cannot get license from license server”. Okay fine, I check out 
the FlexLM service diagnostics on  AutoCADLicense and it says all good. Hit 
AutoDesk forums and they point me to log files to check out. Log files say 
“Server node is down or not responding”. I do the usual restart services check 
the firewall settings etc on the server. No change.

The support forums (AutoDesk, IBM, ESRI and all sorts of vendors use the FlexLM 
license service) *ALL* point to firewall or connectivity issues . I turn off 
the firewall on the PC. No change. Off on the server. No change.

You probably all know Win7 has 3 kinds of network places: Domain, home and 
public. Guess what? Somehow the AutoCAD PC decided it’s local network 
connection is now “Public” instead of “Work”. Firewall settings are completely 
different for those areas, and once I change the network to think it’s back on 
the work LAN, poof, the firewall GPO’s properly take effect and all is good.

I never touched the AutoCAD PC, and the users aren’t local admins on their box 
so they can’t change it.

I have a theory on what happened: For the time when the DHCP server wasn’t 
operating due to not thinking it was any longer authorized, the AutoCAD PC 
tried to get a DHCP address, got nothing, so made up one of it’s own (169.x.x.x 
or whatever MS has them default to) and said “Yo I am now on a Public network”, 
and after I fixed the DHCP issue it picked up the new IP address but didn’t 
feel like changing itself back to “Domain” network.

Anyone know if I’m close? This one was tough because I was led all over the 
place.

David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Mobile 503.267.9764


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