RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

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Interestingly enough I just saw a very interesting investor (facebook, linked 
in etc) who was talking about how Apple makes so much profit in their hardware 
and how they basically re-wrote the entire hardware model etc etc ... and he 
was saying money is going back to hardware but more in tablets/devices and such 
and not as much in general 'box pc' type stuff ... was pretty interesting...

He also predicted the demise of google with search being dead on handheld 
devices as compared to a pc...

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 12:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

It makes lots of revenue, but very little money. PSG has ~5% margin, which will 
probably only fall further in the future. HP Services has a margin of ~15%, HP 
Software around 20%, IPG is ~17% etc.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 11:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are 
> more profitable and the PC market is not.

  Supposedly the margins are low, but it's still their biggest revenue 
generator.  I don't get it.  I mean, I'm sure some MBA can spew buzzwords about 
why, but fundamentally, I don't get it.  The money is still green, regardless 
of how it's made.



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Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

[Harry Singh]

My post didn't mean to suggest or infer any deficiencies in VMware's QA
process. And VMware doesn't necessarily need to be deficient when releasing
an update after GA which may address added functionality that was either
left off or not exactly "ready" for RTM. Because I won't deploy a GA release
has everything to do with my past experience with vSphere 4.0 GA and the
breadth of updates/changes/fixes/enhancements available when U1 became
available.  I speak from my own standards and will, more oft than not, wait
for Update 1 before I seriously plan for vSphere 5. This doesn't apply to
just installing vSphere 5 and getting familiar with some core nuances and
functionality. This also doesn't apply or need to make sense to everyone,
it's just my own perspective based on my own technical experiences with
VMware.

There was also nothing specifically stated that they wouldn't go straight to
production either. [?] Semantics really, but my inference was guided towards
the the time it sometimes take to deploy a fully prepared lab environment
(in some cases) vs the time it would take for VMware to release update 1.

I would imagine most deployment approaches will always be governed by the
organizations you're dealing with. And if org X wants to make the move, then
the better business practice would behoove you to move forward while
preparing the org with as much information as possible. If after the
knowledge exchange is done and you and the org are comfortable with a GA
release of vSphere 5, well then rock-n-roll.

And for the record, I'm pretty sure the GA of vSphere 5 is more than
production "ready". I just apply my own standard, based on my own
experiences.







On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> Even accounting for the number of changes that might be found in a GA
> release, do you have any specific experiences you can cite that would lead
> you to believe that VMWare will have been that much more deficient in the QA
> processes of 5.0 vs 5.0.1?   Or, are you simply adhering to some standard
> process that you feel works for you?
>
> Like I suggested earlier, I prefer to tailor my deployment approach to the
> specific of the products and organizations that I'm dealing with.
>
> Given that there was nothing in Martin's post which specifically suggested
> a production deployment sans testing, I'm rather intrigued that you would
> infer such.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>
>> No crime of negligence would be committed if you apply this process to a
>> lab environment or pilot deployment, absolutely.  But, there are some cases,
>> in my experience, where either preparing your lab environment for the right
>> amount of compatibility prerequisites or allocating enough resources and
>> time to a lab environment become time consuming or considerably drawn out.
>> That being said, considering VMware isn't considerably slow to release their
>> first update to their GA products, in my opinion, it would take a strong
>> business (read: financial, compliance) requirement not to wait and deploy
>> their updated product in my lab environment or pilot deployment. But again,
>> that's my opinion for this particular vendor, which in my environment is the
>> "mothership".  Notwithstanding the urging of some external forces and
>> considering the update release frequency of this vendor, I wonder why would
>> anyone touch a GA release, especially if you're primarily a VMware shop, but
>> different strokes for different folks i suppose.
>>
>> Harry.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>>
>>> While there are some vendors that I might be inclined to wait for an
>>> update from before tackling a major release, this is not some universally
>>> true rule -- at least not for me.I'm not suggesting that major software
>>> needs to be downloaded and installed before the "wet paint" sign is taken
>>> down, but if you have a lab environment and proper test procedures, and the
>>> vendor's recent history does not lend itself to waiting six months before
>>> implementation, then there is no reason not to pursue a test or pilot
>>> deployment as soon as you are able.
>>>
>>> No crime or negligence is being committed.
>>>
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
>>> Technology for the SMB market…
>>>
>>> *
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>>>
 There must be an extremely urgent business reason why you have to go
 to a GA release of a major platform upgrade (vSphere 5) instead of
 waiting for update 1 of said release.

 On Thursday, August 18, 2011, Martin Blackstone 
 wrote:
 > It sounds to me like they are talking about the reporting features and
 they will offer a standalone reporting tool for now. From: Ben N [mailto:

RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

It makes lots of revenue, but very little money. PSG has ~5% margin, which will 
probably only fall further in the future. HP Services has a margin of ~15%, HP 
Software around 20%, IPG is ~17% etc.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 11:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are 
> more profitable and the PC market is not.

  Supposedly the margins are low, but it's still their biggest revenue 
generator.  I don't get it.  I mean, I'm sure some MBA can spew buzzwords about 
why, but fundamentally, I don't get it.  The money is still green, regardless 
of how it's made.



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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Sullivan]

It's all about the bottom line and making the share holders happy. In this
case the PC market is too low of a margin to keep them happy. I wont be
surprised of it gets sold instead of spinning it off.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> > I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
> > profitable and the PC market is not.
>
>  Supposedly the margins are low, but it's still their biggest revenue
> generator.  I don't get it.  I mean, I'm sure some MBA can spew
> buzzwords about why, but fundamentally, I don't get it.  The money is
> still green, regardless of how it's made.
>
>
> -- Ben
>
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-- 
Thank you,
Mike Sullivan

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Andrew S. Baker]

I generally agree with your statements.  However, it's going to take a few
more quarters of more sensible looking action to allow most people to
conclude that they have *now* attained (or regained) some direction.

One key part of direction is communication, and HP could have done much to
mitigate the manner in which today's announcement was received.  Only time
will tell, but they have much territory to recover in the "trust" and
"apparent competence of leadership" department.


* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:37 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

>  There are parts of HP that are profitable. There are parts that are not.
> Getting out of the latter is a good idea if they can’t fixed or aren’t core.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Software is one of the profitable and growing areas for HP. Data Centre is
> another area HP is trying to be an end-to-end provider for (we bought 3PAR,
> 3COM, Tipping Point, Arcsight etc.)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 August 2011 5:06 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>
> ** **
>
> It is most certainly about lacking direction...
> 
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:**
> **
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>
>   Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
>
> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>
>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
> as lacking direction.
>
>
> **
>

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Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

[Andrew S. Baker]

Even accounting for the number of changes that might be found in a GA
release, do you have any specific experiences you can cite that would lead
you to believe that VMWare will have been that much more deficient in the QA
processes of 5.0 vs 5.0.1?   Or, are you simply adhering to some standard
process that you feel works for you?

Like I suggested earlier, I prefer to tailor my deployment approach to the
specific of the products and organizations that I'm dealing with.

Given that there was nothing in Martin's post which specifically suggested a
production deployment sans testing, I'm rather intrigued that you would
infer such.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:07 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

> No crime of negligence would be committed if you apply this process to a
> lab environment or pilot deployment, absolutely.  But, there are some cases,
> in my experience, where either preparing your lab environment for the right
> amount of compatibility prerequisites or allocating enough resources and
> time to a lab environment become time consuming or considerably drawn out.
> That being said, considering VMware isn't considerably slow to release their
> first update to their GA products, in my opinion, it would take a strong
> business (read: financial, compliance) requirement not to wait and deploy
> their updated product in my lab environment or pilot deployment. But again,
> that's my opinion for this particular vendor, which in my environment is the
> "mothership".  Notwithstanding the urging of some external forces and
> considering the update release frequency of this vendor, I wonder why would
> anyone touch a GA release, especially if you're primarily a VMware shop, but
> different strokes for different folks i suppose.
>
> Harry.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>
>> While there are some vendors that I might be inclined to wait for an
>> update from before tackling a major release, this is not some universally
>> true rule -- at least not for me.I'm not suggesting that major software
>> needs to be downloaded and installed before the "wet paint" sign is taken
>> down, but if you have a lab environment and proper test procedures, and the
>> vendor's recent history does not lend itself to waiting six months before
>> implementation, then there is no reason not to pursue a test or pilot
>> deployment as soon as you are able.
>>
>> No crime or negligence is being committed.
>>
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
>> Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>>
>>> There must be an extremely urgent business reason why you have to go
>>> to a GA release of a major platform upgrade (vSphere 5) instead of
>>> waiting for update 1 of said release.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 18, 2011, Martin Blackstone 
>>> wrote:
>>> > It sounds to me like they are talking about the reporting features and
>>> they will offer a standalone reporting tool for now. From: Ben N [mailto:
>>> bennordlan...@gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:11 PM
>>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> > Subject: Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update So... what
>>> does this mean? we have to wait for an update to v5 before this new vRAM
>>> entitlement is out? [i] <
>>> http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-model-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html#_ednref1>
>>> Note: this change will NOT be reflected in the native vCenter Server 5 vRAM
>>> reporting capability at GA time; it will be included in a future vCenter
>>> Server 5 update release. However, before such update release is available,
>>> customers will be able to use a stand-alone free utility for tracking vRAM
>>> usage that will reflect this change. from
>>> http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-model-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html
>>>  -Ben  On
>>> Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
>>> wrote:Indeed. ASBhttp://about.me/Andrew.S.BakerHarnessing the Advantages
>>> of Technology for the SMB market…
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:AKA-
>>> The “Let’s throw this up against the wall and see if it sticks mentality” J
>>>
>>>
>>

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
> profitable and the PC market is not.

  Supposedly the margins are low, but it's still their biggest revenue
generator.  I don't get it.  I mean, I'm sure some MBA can spew
buzzwords about why, but fundamentally, I don't get it.  The money is
still green, regardless of how it's made.


-- Ben

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

There are parts of HP that are profitable. There are parts that are not. 
Getting out of the latter is a good idea if they can't fixed or aren't core.

Software is one of the profitable and growing areas for HP. Data Centre is 
another area HP is trying to be an end-to-end provider for (we bought 3PAR, 
3COM, Tipping Point, Arcsight etc.)



From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 5:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

It is most certainly about lacking direction...
ASB

http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan 
mailto:neog...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
 Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?

 I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
as lacking direction.



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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

I don't think HP is getting rid of WebOS - just getting out of the hardware 
part. Presumably they will license it to other hardware ODMs/OEMs

HP is thinking about getting out of the personal computer market ala IBM and 
their deal with Lenovo. The margin in PCs isn't there

No major moves in servers (other than the problem HP has with Itanium). The 
Data Centre area (from servers to storage to networks to security to monitoring 
etc.) is still a big part of HP


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 4:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP Getting rid of WebOS - Okay, it could make sense. I could see some higher-up 
saying "We've put a lot into this, and it's failing! Cut it!"

HP Getting rid of their desktops - Huh? Aren't they #2 in that field? This is 
the bit that doesn't make sense at all.

Is HP getting rid of their server business as well? Anybody heard either way?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District



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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ken Schaefer]

They inherited this as part of the Palm acquisition. WebOS used to get quite 
good reviews...

From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 8:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

You shouldn't expect highly paid executives to understand such an obvious 
potential (non) future for a product before it falls flat on its face in the 
market.

Think anyone will get fired as a result?  Unlikely.

From: N Parr 
[mailto:npar...@mortonind.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they decided 
to create a new tablet/phone OS?


From: Mike Sullivan 
[mailto:neog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC Unit. 
I'd say they are having some issues. 
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
them (HP1810G series)

Dave





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RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

[Steven M. Caesare]

As I said:

 

" Present the folder hierarchy and allow the user to select the (sub)
folder where he wants to make the changes and grab the properties."

 

Let the admin decide.

 

If said admin can decide to select which folder he's going to edit a
.config file in, why can't the UI allow him to do likewise?

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

You can always get the cumulative settings for a folder. Where are you
going to save the settings?

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 1:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

The tool doesn't have to make the choices for you. Simply present the
choices. Present the folder hierarchy and allow the user to select the
(sub) folder where he wants to make the changes and grab the properties.

 

ACL's prevent you from making changes where you don't have perms.

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

GPOs can be linked at multiple places - but by default only Domain
Admins can do this - they have visibility of the entire AD

 

Anyone can stick a web.config file in their folder - IIS7 natively has a
distributed administration model (unlike IIS6 - where you needed to be
an admin to do things). So anyone with a hosting company can upload a
web.config to their root folder. And they can sub-delegate to other
people who can put a web.config in their subfolders. And so on, ad
infinitum. 

 

So, when editing the settings for /Default Web Site/AppRoot/SubFolder
where should the settings be saved? applicationHost.config? the
web.Config in the website root? The web.Config in AppRoot folder? Or the
web.config in SubFolder? This all depends on who is doing the editing,
and what their intent was. There is no simple answer to this question.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 8:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

Yeah, still not impossible.

 

Have  "scope" selector that decides if the address restrictions (or
whichever parameter is in question) apply to the local page, the entire
site, etc... and then have the GUI tool default to making changes in a
sensible location that work by default.

 

If somebody wants to go add/change afterward via command line, so be it.

 

Heck, GPO settings can be in a zillion different objects linked in at
various places in the OU hierarchy, but there are tools to aggregate the
RSOP so you can see it, and then decide where you want to change it...

 

I feel that allowing CLI/scriptable editing of configuration data is a
valuable step forward. At the same time I feel that also removing
configuration tools (especially that allow "discovery") is a needless
step backwards.

 

That having been said, thanks for the pointer to the editor. J

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

The main issue is:

a)  IIS6 - used one metabase for all sites/applications/folders etc

b)  IIS7 used a hierarchical set of config files - you can have a
config file in every directory, plus you can define arbitrary locations
(via ) in higher up files. So, the actual setting
needs to be the aggregated total of all these settings in an unknown
number of files. Not to say this can't be managed in the GUI - it's just
more difficult (e.g. where should the changes be committed to -
applicationHost.config via ? Create a new web.config in the
local directory?)

 

That said, there is an optional config editor add-in you can download
from ww.iis.net website

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

I'd suggest the two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

Many a management GUI has just been shoving data to and from the
registry for years now. This need be no different if the configuration
container is an XML based config file instead.

 

-sc

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 08:13, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:
> Good heavens. That's progress?

Yes, absolutely.


> The IIS team must've taken tips from the Exchange team on removing
previous
> GUI features and making users work more with config files and command
> prompts.

That's a good thing. GUIs are terribly limiting,

RE: MSCS evicting node

[Level 5 Lists]

Thanks Richard, we already converted one of the servers successfully to a vm, 
what we did was take the physical box which was using a shared DAS, and 
converted one box and one of the shared disks but theres a third shared disk 
that we had to copy (its file shares) so when I goto switch it out I get the 
cluster signature error.

Doing any cluster tools gets me an error because there is only one server left 
and so Im wondering if I evict the now gone server, and just be left with 1 
server in a cluster what would happen…

Going to snapshot the disk tonight and try it …

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: MSCS evicting node

My only thought is based on an experience a few years ago moving some clustered 
services to a single VM.  The P2V went fine and I was left with a one node 
cluster as you intend.

The only problem I encountered was when doing snapshot-based image backups 
using VCB.  The creation of a snapshot caused the cluster to lose its SCSI 
reservations on the virtual disks.  At that point they would all drop offline 
and blow the whole thing up.  I wasn't willing to give up live, snapshot-based 
backups, so I went through the process of recreating everything from scratch on 
a fresh VM.

I don't know if you'll run into this issue, but it may be something look out 
for.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Level 5 Lists 
mailto:li...@levelfive.us>> wrote:
I have a client who is downsizing and migrating from two physical MSCS 2003 
servers to one vm. Rebuilding the apps is not possible and the conversion has 
already occurred but we removed both physical servers leaving one working vm 
‘active’ and one ‘passive’ non-working vm. I cannot make any changes to the 
cluster without evicting this node apparently so I will end up with 1 node in 
the cluster. In reading around it looks like you can create one node clusters 
and seems viable I could evict this ‘missing’ server without issue but thought 
I would run by the group for any caveats..

This is primarily an SQL cluster with a couple of shares mounted on the disk 
that the SQL box relies on …

TY

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Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

[Harry Singh]

No crime of negligence would be committed if you apply this process to a lab
environment or pilot deployment, absolutely.  But, there are some cases, in
my experience, where either preparing your lab environment for the right
amount of compatibility prerequisites or allocating enough resources and
time to a lab environment become time consuming or considerably drawn out.
That being said, considering VMware isn't considerably slow to release their
first update to their GA products, in my opinion, it would take a strong
business (read: financial, compliance) requirement not to wait and deploy
their updated product in my lab environment or pilot deployment. But again,
that's my opinion for this particular vendor, which in my environment is the
"mothership".  Notwithstanding the urging of some external forces and
considering the update release frequency of this vendor, I wonder why would
anyone touch a GA release, especially if you're primarily a VMware shop, but
different strokes for different folks i suppose.

Harry.



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> While there are some vendors that I might be inclined to wait for an update
> from before tackling a major release, this is not some universally true rule
> -- at least not for me.I'm not suggesting that major software needs to
> be downloaded and installed before the "wet paint" sign is taken down, but
> if you have a lab environment and proper test procedures, and the vendor's
> recent history does not lend itself to waiting six months before
> implementation, then there is no reason not to pursue a test or pilot
> deployment as soon as you are able.
>
> No crime or negligence is being committed.
>
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>
>> There must be an extremely urgent business reason why you have to go
>> to a GA release of a major platform upgrade (vSphere 5) instead of
>> waiting for update 1 of said release.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 18, 2011, Martin Blackstone 
>> wrote:
>> > It sounds to me like they are talking about the reporting features and
>> they will offer a standalone reporting tool for now. From: Ben N [mailto:
>> bennordlan...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:11 PM
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Subject: Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update So... what
>> does this mean? we have to wait for an update to v5 before this new vRAM
>> entitlement is out? [i] <
>> http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-model-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html#_ednref1>
>> Note: this change will NOT be reflected in the native vCenter Server 5 vRAM
>> reporting capability at GA time; it will be included in a future vCenter
>> Server 5 update release. However, before such update release is available,
>> customers will be able to use a stand-alone free utility for tracking vRAM
>> usage that will reflect this change. from
>> http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-model-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html
>>  -Ben  On
>> Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
>> wrote:Indeed. ASBhttp://about.me/Andrew.S.BakerHarnessing the Advantages
>> of Technology for the SMB market…
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:AKA-
>> The “Let’s throw this up against the wall and see if it sticks mentality” J
>>
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Re: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

[Steve Kradel]

To roll back to the original question, there is an icon for "IP
Address and Domain Restrictions" in IIS 7.5 at the site, application,
and folder levels, although you have to install the proper role
service, which is not on by default... I don't have an install of IIS
7(.0) to check if the UI is missing there, alas.

--Steve

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:03 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> You can always get the cumulative settings for a folder. Where are you going
> to save the settings?
>
>
>
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 1:35 AM
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7
>
>
>
> The tool doesn’t have to make the choices for you. Simply present the
> choices. Present the folder hierarchy and allow the user to select the (sub)
> folder where he wants to make the changes and grab the properties.
>
>
>
> ACL’s prevent you from making changes where you don’t have perms.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:24 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7
>
>
>
> GPOs can be linked at multiple places – but by default only Domain Admins
> can do this – they have visibility of the entire AD
>
>
>
> Anyone can stick a web.config file in their folder – IIS7 natively has a
> distributed administration model (unlike IIS6 – where you needed to be an
> admin to do things). So anyone with a hosting company can upload a
> web.config to their root folder. And they can sub-delegate to other people
> who can put a web.config in their subfolders. And so on, ad infinitum.
>
>
>
> So, when editing the settings for /Default Web Site/AppRoot/SubFolder where
> should the settings be saved? applicationHost.config? the web.Config in the
> website root? The web.Config in AppRoot folder? Or the web.config in
> SubFolder? This all depends on who is doing the editing, and what their
> intent was. There is no simple answer to this question.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 8:45 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7
>
>
>
> Yeah, still not impossible.
>
>
>
> Have  “scope” selector that decides if the address restrictions (or
> whichever parameter is in question) apply to the local page, the entire
> site, etc… and then have the GUI tool default to making changes in a
> sensible location that work by default.
>
>
>
> If somebody wants to go add/change afterward via command line, so be it.
>
>
>
> Heck, GPO settings can be in a zillion different objects linked in at
> various places in the OU hierarchy, but there are tools to aggregate the
> RSOP so you can see it, and then decide where you want to change it…
>
>
>
> I feel that allowing CLI/scriptable editing of configuration data is a
> valuable step forward. At the same time I feel that also removing
> configuration tools (especially that allow “discovery”) is a needless step
> backwards.
>
>
>
> That having been said, thanks for the pointer to the editor. J
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:11 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7
>
>
>
> The main issue is:
>
> a)  IIS6 – used one metabase for all sites/applications/folders etc
>
> b)  IIS7 used a hierarchical set of config files – you can have a config
> file in every directory, plus you can define arbitrary locations (via
> ) in higher up files. So, the actual setting needs to
> be the aggregated total of all these settings in an unknown number of files.
> Not to say this can’t be managed in the GUI – it’s just more difficult (e.g.
> where should the changes be committed to – applicationHost.config via
> ? Create a new web.config in the local directory?)
>
>
>
> That said, there is an optional config editor add-in you can download from
> ww.iis.net website
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 10:41 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7
>
>
>
> I’d suggest the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
>
>
>
> Many a management GUI has just been shoving data to and from the registry
> for years now. This need be no different if the configuration container is
> an XML based config file instead.
>
>
>
> -sc
>
>
>
> From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:32 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 08:13, John Hornbuckle
>  wrote:
>> Good heavens. That’s progress?
>
> Yes, absolutely.
>
>> The IIS team must’ve taken tips from the Exchange team on removing
>> previous
>> GUI features and making us

Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

[Andrew S. Baker]

While there are some vendors that I might be inclined to wait for an update
from before tackling a major release, this is not some universally true rule
-- at least not for me.I'm not suggesting that major software needs to
be downloaded and installed before the "wet paint" sign is taken down, but
if you have a lab environment and proper test procedures, and the vendor's
recent history does not lend itself to waiting six months before
implementation, then there is no reason not to pursue a test or pilot
deployment as soon as you are able.

No crime or negligence is being committed.


* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

> There must be an extremely urgent business reason why you have to go
> to a GA release of a major platform upgrade (vSphere 5) instead of
> waiting for update 1 of said release.
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2011, Martin Blackstone 
> wrote:
> > It sounds to me like they are talking about the reporting features and
> they will offer a standalone reporting tool for now. From: Ben N [mailto:
> bennordlan...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:11 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update So... what
> does this mean? we have to wait for an update to v5 before this new vRAM
> entitlement is out? [i] <
> http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-model-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html#_ednref1>
> Note: this change will NOT be reflected in the native vCenter Server 5 vRAM
> reporting capability at GA time; it will be included in a future vCenter
> Server 5 update release. However, before such update release is available,
> customers will be able to use a stand-alone free utility for tracking vRAM
> usage that will reflect this change. from
> http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-model-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html
>  -Ben  On
> Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker 
> wrote:Indeed. ASBhttp://about.me/Andrew.S.BakerHarnessing the Advantages
> of Technology for the SMB market…
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:AKA- The
> “Let’s throw this up against the wall and see if it sticks mentality” J
>
>

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RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

[Ken Schaefer]

You can always get the cumulative settings for a folder. Where are you going to 
save the settings?

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 1:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

The tool doesn't have to make the choices for you. Simply present the choices. 
Present the folder hierarchy and allow the user to select the (sub) folder 
where he wants to make the changes and grab the properties.

ACL's prevent you from making changes where you don't have perms.

-sc

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

GPOs can be linked at multiple places - but by default only Domain Admins can 
do this - they have visibility of the entire AD

Anyone can stick a web.config file in their folder - IIS7 natively has a 
distributed administration model (unlike IIS6 - where you needed to be an admin 
to do things). So anyone with a hosting company can upload a web.config to 
their root folder. And they can sub-delegate to other people who can put a 
web.config in their subfolders. And so on, ad infinitum.

So, when editing the settings for /Default Web Site/AppRoot/SubFolder where 
should the settings be saved? applicationHost.config? the web.Config in the 
website root? The web.Config in AppRoot folder? Or the web.config in SubFolder? 
This all depends on who is doing the editing, and what their intent was. There 
is no simple answer to this question.

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 8:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

Yeah, still not impossible.

Have  "scope" selector that decides if the address restrictions (or whichever 
parameter is in question) apply to the local page, the entire site, etc... and 
then have the GUI tool default to making changes in a sensible location that 
work by default.

If somebody wants to go add/change afterward via command line, so be it.

Heck, GPO settings can be in a zillion different objects linked in at various 
places in the OU hierarchy, but there are tools to aggregate the RSOP so you 
can see it, and then decide where you want to change it...

I feel that allowing CLI/scriptable editing of configuration data is a valuable 
step forward. At the same time I feel that also removing configuration tools 
(especially that allow "discovery") is a needless step backwards.

That having been said, thanks for the pointer to the editor. :)

-sc

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

The main issue is:

a)  IIS6 - used one metabase for all sites/applications/folders etc

b)  IIS7 used a hierarchical set of config files - you can have a config 
file in every directory, plus you can define arbitrary locations (via 
) in higher up files. So, the actual setting needs to be 
the aggregated total of all these settings in an unknown number of files. Not 
to say this can't be managed in the GUI - it's just more difficult (e.g. where 
should the changes be committed to - applicationHost.config via ? 
Create a new web.config in the local directory?)

That said, there is an optional config editor add-in you can download from 
ww.iis.net website

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

I'd suggest the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Many a management GUI has just been shoving data to and from the registry for 
years now. This need be no different if the configuration container is an XML 
based config file instead.

-sc

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 08:13, John Hornbuckle
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
> Good heavens. That's progress?
Yes, absolutely.

> The IIS team must've taken tips from the Exchange team on removing previous
> GUI features and making users work more with config files and command
> prompts.

That's a good thing. GUIs are terribly limiting, and don't usually
allow automation, revision control, etc.



Kurt


99% of people using IIS will not need or use several of the more esoteric 
features either so getting them out of the GUI reduces opertunity for people to 
break their installs in weird ways.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org

Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

[Harry Singh]

There must be an extremely urgent business reason why you have to go
to a GA release of a major platform upgrade (vSphere 5) instead of
waiting for update 1 of said release.

On Thursday, August 18, 2011, Martin Blackstone  wrote:
> It sounds to me like they are talking about the reporting features and they 
> will offer a standalone reporting tool for now. From: Ben N 
> [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:11 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update So... what does 
> this mean? we have to wait for an update to v5 before this new vRAM 
> entitlement is 
> out? [i] 
>  Note: this change will NOT be reflected in the native vCenter Server 5 vRAM 
> reporting capability at GA time; it will be included in a future vCenter 
> Server 5 update release. However, before such update release is available, 
> customers will be able to use a stand-alone free utility for tracking vRAM 
> usage that will reflect this 
> change. from http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-model-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html -Ben  On
>  Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker  
> wrote:Indeed. ASBhttp://about.me/Andrew.S.BakerHarnessing the Advantages of 
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:AKA- The 
> “Let’s throw this up against the wall and see if it sticks mentality” J
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: Speaking of RDS..........

[Dean Cunningham]

Speaking of pain..nothing like IBM hiding the solution behind their
partnerworld
My google fu is better today...

http://projectdream.org/wordpress/2010/05/07/ibm-i-access-7-1-installation-hangs-indefinitively-with-a-windows-installer-coordinator-window/

"If you’re trying to install IBM i Access
7.1on a Windows
Server 2008 R2 based Remote Desktop Session Host (RDS),
formerly known as Terminal Server, you’ll most likely encounter this issue.
A window titled “Windows Installer Coordinator” will pop up behind the IBM i
Access 7.1 Installer (hidden until you click on it in the task bar). This
“Windows Installer Coordinator” will run indefinitively, without ever
successfully installing the application.
Thanks to a helpful guy from IBM Software Support Austria, i now have a
solution to this issue. It’s caused by a new feature in WS08R2 RDS.
It’s called Windows Installer RDS
Compatibility.
If this feature is enabled, IBM i Access 7.1 will not install successfully,
and hang at the “Windows Installer Coordinator” window.

To successfully install IBM i Access 7.1 on a Windows Server 2008 R2 Remote
Desktop Session host, set the following DWORD registry key to 0:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows NT\Terminal
Services\TSAppSrv\TSMSI\Enable
It’s possible that not all keys exist – in my case, the TSAppSrv and TSMSI
keys didn’t exist yet – you have to create them manually. After creating
this key, you can rerun the installation – a reboot is not necessary."

I am going to put in the registry entry, do the install and then remove it
afterwards

Case closed me thinks



On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Dean Cunningham
wrote:

>  As a newbie to APARs, I understand your pain.. :D
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Linda Jones wrote:
>
>> :-)
>>
>> Just reading that word "APAR" takes me way way back (and not in a good
>> way).
>>
>>
>>
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Carl Houseman]

You shouldn't expect highly paid executives to understand such an obvious
potential (non) future for a product before it falls flat on its face in the
market.

 

Think anyone will get fired as a result?  Unlikely.

 

From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they
decided to create a new tablet/phone OS?  

 

  _  

From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-o
utlook/55386?tag=nl.e589

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:

+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients
to them (HP1810G series)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673  
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

 Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
any more.

 I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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RE: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

[Martin Blackstone]

It sounds to me like they are talking about the reporting features and they
will offer a standalone reporting tool for now.

 

From: Ben N [mailto:bennordlan...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

 

So... what does this mean? we have to wait for an update to v5 before this
new vRAM entitlement is out?

 

[i]
  Note: this change will NOT be
reflected in the native vCenter Server 5 vRAM reporting capability at GA
time; it will be included in a future vCenter Server 5 update release.
However, before such update release is available, customers will be able to
use a stand-alone free utility for tracking vRAM usage that will reflect
this change.

 

from
http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-mode
l-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html

 

-Ben

 

 

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

Indeed.


 


ASB


http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker


Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.





On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:

AKA- The "Let's throw this up against the wall and see if it sticks
mentality" :-)

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:01 PM

 

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

 

I agree.  I've seen it used way too often by many organizations.

Try something over the top, and fall back to a reasonable backup plan if an
outcry occurs.


 


ASB


http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker


Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market.

 

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Sean Martin  wrote:

I find it a little hard to believe that VMWare was able to react this
quickly to customer outcry. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the "revised
licensing" seems a lot like a Plan B they had waiting just in case customers
responded poorly to the original vRAM entitlements that were announced with
vSphere 5.

 

With that said, I'm glad the changes were made as it will make our licensing
procurement a little easier on the checkbook.


- Sean


On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Jonathan  wrote:

Hahaha, true!

Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE

Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.

On Aug 3, 2011 6:01 PM, "Gary Slinger"  wrote:


> I like how their competition will have been spooling up marketing
campaigns to capitalize on this, and are now going 'oh, crap..." :)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Andrew S. Baker" 
> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:58:02 
> To: NT System Admin Issues

> Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 


> Subject: Re: Fw: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update
> 

> Yep, I need to review it this week...
> 
> I like how all these companies can spin "We just through up a dumb idea
and
> now have to backtrack" to "we listened to our customers and partners, and
> decided to refine a few things..."
> 
> * *
> 
> *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market.
> 
> *
> 
> 
> 

> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Gary Slinger 
wrote:
> 
>> Now that it's public, this may be of interest, given the gnashing of
teeth
>> recently.
>>
>> G
>>
>> --Original Message--
>> From: The VMware Team
>> To: Gary Slinger
>> ReplyTo: The VMware Team
>> Subject: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update
>> Sent: Aug 3, 2011 17:40
>>
>> View this email on mobile devices | View the online version
>> VMware vSphere 5 Licensing & Pricing Update Dear VMware Partner,
>> On July 12, 2011, VMware announced our new Cloud Infrastructure Suite.
The
>> launch featured vSphere 5, the newest version of our flagship product.
>> As many of you know, as part of this announcement, we introduced changes
to
>> the vSphere licensing model in order to align costs with the benefits of
>> virtualization rather than with the physical attributes of individual
>> servers. While our goal was to provide a licensing model based on
>> consumption and value rather than physical components and capacity, we
>> strived to make the new model as non-disruptive as possible.
>> These changes generated much debate in the blogosphere, in conversations
>> with our partners and customers, and across VMware communities. Some of
the
>> discussion had to do with confusion around the changes. We have been
>> watching the blog commentaries carefully, and we have been listening to
the
>> partner and customer conversations very intently. A great deal of
feedback
>> was provided that examined the impact of the new licensing model on every
>> possible use case and scenario, and equally importantly, reflected our
>> partners' and customers' intense passion for VMware.
>> Our success depends on the active involvement of ou

Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update

[Ben N]

So... what does this mean? we have to wait for an update to v5 before this
new vRAM entitlement is out?

[i]Note:
this change will NOT be reflected in the native vCenter Server 5 vRAM
reporting capability at GA time; it will be included in a future vCenter
Server 5 update release. However, before such update release is available,
customers will be able to use a stand-alone free utility for tracking vRAM
usage that will reflect this change.


from
http://blogs.vmware.com/rethinkit/2011/08/changes-to-the-vram-licensing-model-introduced-on-july-12-2011.html


-Ben


On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> Indeed.
>
> * *
>
> *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Free, Bob  wrote:
>
>>  AKA- The “Let’s throw this up against the wall and see if it sticks
>> mentality” J
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:01 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I agree.  I've seen it used way too often by many organizations.
>>
>> Try something over the top, and fall back to a reasonable backup plan if
>> an outcry occurs.
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:36 PM, Sean Martin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I find it a little hard to believe that VMWare was able to react this
>> quickly to customer outcry. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the "revised
>> licensing" seems a lot like a Plan B they had waiting just in case customers
>> responded poorly to the original vRAM entitlements that were announced with
>> vSphere 5.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> With that said, I'm glad the changes were made as it will make our
>> licensing procurement a little easier on the checkbook.
>>
>>
>> - Sean
>>
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Jonathan  wrote:
>>
>>  Hahaha, true!
>>
>> Jonathan A+, MCSA, MCSE
>>
>> Thumb-typed from my HTC Droid Incredible (and yes, it really is) on the
>> Verizon network. Please excuse brevity and any misspellings.
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2011 6:01 PM, "Gary Slinger"  wrote:
>>
>> > I like how their competition will have been spooling up marketing
>> campaigns to capitalize on this, and are now going 'oh, crap..." :)
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: "Andrew S. Baker" 
>> > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:58:02
>> > To: NT System Admin Issues
>> > Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>
>> > Subject: Re: Fw: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update
>> >
>> > Yep, I need to review it this week...
>> >
>> > I like how all these companies can spin "We just through up a dumb idea
>> and
>> > now have to backtrack" to "we listened to our customers and partners,
>> and
>> > decided to refine a few things..."
>> >
>> > * *
>> >
>> > *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
>> > Technology for the SMB market…
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Gary Slinger 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Now that it's public, this may be of interest, given the gnashing of
>> teeth
>> >> recently.
>> >>
>> >> G
>> >>
>> >> --Original Message--
>> >> From: The VMware Team
>> >> To: Gary Slinger
>> >> ReplyTo: The VMware Team
>> >> Subject: VMware vSphere 5 Licensing and Pricing Update
>> >> Sent: Aug 3, 2011 17:40
>> >>
>> >> View this email on mobile devices | View the online version
>> >> VMware vSphere 5 Licensing & Pricing Update Dear VMware Partner,
>> >> On July 12, 2011, VMware announced our new Cloud Infrastructure Suite.
>> The
>> >> launch featured vSphere 5, the newest version of our flagship product.
>> >> As many of you know, as part of this announcement, we introduced
>> changes to
>> >> the vSphere licensing model in order to align costs with the benefits
>> of
>> >> virtualization rather than with the physical attributes of individual
>> >> servers. While our goal was to provide a licensing model based on
>> >> consumption and value rather than physical components and capacity, we
>> >> strived to make the new model as non-disruptive as possible.
>> >> These changes generated much debate in the blogosphere, in
>> conversations
>> >> with our partners and customers, and across VMware communities. Some of
>> the
>> >> discussion had to do with confusion around the changes. We have been
>> >> watching the blog commentaries carefully, and we have been listening to
>> the
>> >> partner and customer conversations very intently. A great deal of
>> feedback
>> >> was provided that examined the impact of the new licensing model on
>> every
>> >> possibl

RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mathew Shember]

That maybe.  However, they left the money guys thinking "Why did we have this?"

Oh well.  Their loss...

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP has been recruiting very heavily for server/app/desktop/cloud virtualization 
people.

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

This is fascinating and yet explains a recent presentation from them.

We have been toying with VDI and have been looking at several options.

We asked them to come in and present.

This they did.  However, they had no formal presentation, slides, nothing.

Just verbal what we should be doing and what they might have in the future.

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Webster]

HP has been recruiting very heavily for server/app/desktop/cloud virtualization 
people.

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

This is fascinating and yet explains a recent presentation from them.

We have been toying with VDI and have been looking at several options.

We asked them to come in and present.

This they did.  However, they had no formal presentation, slides, nothing.

Just verbal what we should be doing and what they might have in the future.

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RE: Why not failwords?

[James Hill]

I still think passwords have to die.  There are better options.

From: Hilderbrand, Doug [mailto:doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 3:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Why not failwords?

I was just reading all those emails about making hard to crack passwords 
(Almost but not quite OT: Passwords). I like Steve Gibson’s analysis of why 
long passwords are harder to brute force crack than shorter complex ones. But, 
I wonder…

Why hasn’t anyone implemented fail words? Two or more passwords associated with 
your account or whatever. One you use for normal access and is as hard to crack 
as you can make it and still be memorable. Then another password that would be 
easy(er) to crack that triggers some event? Here are a few scenarios I can 
think of off the top of my head:

[] Bank manager forced to open the vault at gunpoint. Use the failword. Opens 
the vault and rings the silent alarm.
[] Someone tries to login to your PayPal or bank account and tries your 
failword. They get the usual bad password result, but you get a text message on 
your cell phone.
[] Someone tries to unlock your iPhone. They try the failword and it gets 
locked until you send it a special email or text or 24 hours expire, etc.

Is there some reason this is a bad idea? I can’t think of any…

Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane Aerospace & 
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mathew Shember]

This is fascinating and yet explains a recent presentation from them.

We have been toying with VDI and have been looking at several options.

We asked them to come in and present.

This they did.  However, they had no formal presentation, slides, nothing.

Just verbal what we should be doing and what they might have in the future.




From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC Unit. 
I'd say they are having some issues. 
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
them (HP1810G series)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
mailto:scaes...@caesare.com>> wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

 Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
any more.

 I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Maglinger, Paul]

An' Webster scribbles real purty too!

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

 

Sorry but all my schulin be dunn in Louseyanna.  That bee why St.
Michael have been wurkin berry hard two help me loin too right my
articles (and constants and propositions).

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com  

 

 

From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

 

That fine Tennessee education shining through.  ;)

 - WJR

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 16:21, Webster  wrote:

And you expected ME to know Pennsylvania geography?  Good lord, I can
barely spell the state! J

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com  

 

 

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:12 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

 

LOL!

 

Here's your sign...

 

That's actually not in my area, but thx for matchmaking anyway, Webster!

 

J

 

Don Guyer

Windows Systems Engineer

RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2

Enterprise Technology Group

Fiserv

don.gu...@fiserv.com

Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673  

Fax: 610-233-0404

www.fiserv.com  

 

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

 

Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.

 

If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be
interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate
will have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp
6, XenApp 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will
be located here in Bethlehem PA. 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com  

 

 

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Looking for Position

 

Everyone,

 

I was just notified that my position will be cut,
effective the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the
Southeastern area of PA, please contact me offline at 
don.gu...@comcast.net.

 

Thanks,

 

Don Guyer

Windows Systems Engineer

RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2

Enterprise Technology Group

Fiserv

don.gu...@fiserv.com

Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673  

Fax: 610-233-0404

www.fiserv.com  



 

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Re: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[William Robbins]

Splains even more...like that smell...

 - WJR


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 16:48, Webster  wrote:

>  Sorry but all my schulin be dunn in Louseyanna.  That bee why St. Michael
> have been wurkin berry hard two help me loin too right my articles (and
> constants and propositions).
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:43 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>
>  ** **
>
> That fine Tennessee education shining through.  ;)
>
>  - WJR
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 16:21, Webster  wrote:***
> *
>
> And you expected ME to know Pennsylvania geography?  Good lord, I can
> barely spell the state! J
>
>  
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:12 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>
>  
>
> LOL!
>
>  
>
> Here’s your sign…
>
>  
>
> That’s actually not in my area, but thx for matchmaking anyway, Webster!**
> **
>
>  
>
> J
>
>  
>
> *Don Guyer*
>
> Windows Systems Engineer
>
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>
> Enterprise Technology Group
>
> *Fiserv*
>
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>
> Fax: 610-233-0404
>
> www.fiserv.com
>
> [image: Description: Frog Signature]
>
>  
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>
>  
>
> Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.
>
>  
>
> If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be
> interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will
> have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, XenApp
> 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be located here
> in Bethlehem PA. 
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT: Looking for Position
>
>  
>
> Everyone,
>
>  
>
> I was just notified that my position will be cut, effective
> the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the Southeastern
> area of PA, please contact me offline at don.gu...@comcast.net.
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
> *Don Guyer*
>
> Windows Systems Engineer
>
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>
> Enterprise Technology Group
>
> *Fiserv*
>
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>
> Fax: 610-233-0404
>
> www.fiserv.com
>
> [image: Description: Frog Signature]
>
>  
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Eldridge, Dave]

Well the procurve line would make more money if they charged Cisco like
smartnet. 

Just saying. J

 

From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

 

I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
profitable and the PC market is not. At the same time they are spinning
off the PC division so the shareholders will get something out of it in
the long run. I think they are following IBM's lead here and they are
doing quite well overall. I wonder what will happen with the ProCurve
line, I'm sure that all depends on the profit margin! 

 

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan 
wrote:
> HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
PC
> Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.

 Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?

 I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
as lacking direction.

-- Ben

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RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Webster]

Sorry but all my schulin be dunn in Louseyanna.  That bee why St. Michael have 
been wurkin berry hard two help me loin too right my articles (and constants 
and propositions).

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

That fine Tennessee education shining through.  ;)

 - WJR

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 16:21, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
And you expected ME to know Pennsylvania geography?  Good lord, I can barely 
spell the state! :)

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:12 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

LOL!

Here's your sign...

That's actually not in my area, but thx for matchmaking anyway, Webster!

:)

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com
[Description: Frog Signature]

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.

If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be 
interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will have 
the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, XenApp 5). 
This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be located here in 
Bethlehem PA.
Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Guyer, Don 
[mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Looking for Position

Everyone,

I was just notified that my position will be cut, effective the 
end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the Southeastern area of 
PA, please contact me offline at 
don.gu...@comcast.net.

Thanks,

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com
[Description: Frog Signature]


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Re: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[William Robbins]

That fine Tennessee education shining through.  ;)

 - WJR


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 16:21, Webster  wrote:

>  And you expected ME to know Pennsylvania geography?  Good lord, I can
> barely spell the state! J
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:12 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>
>  ** **
>
> LOL!
>
> ** **
>
> Here’s your sign…
>
> ** **
>
> That’s actually not in my area, but thx for matchmaking anyway, Webster!**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> J
>
> ** **
>
> *Don Guyer*
>
> Windows Systems Engineer
>
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>
> Enterprise Technology Group
>
> *Fiserv*
>
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>
> Fax: 610-233-0404
>
> www.fiserv.com
>
> [image: Description: Frog Signature]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>
>  ** **
>
> Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be
> interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will
> have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, XenApp
> 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be located here
> in Bethlehem PA. 
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT: Looking for Position
>
> ** **
>
> Everyone,
>
> ** **
>
> I was just notified that my position will be cut, effective
> the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the Southeastern
> area of PA, please contact me offline at don.gu...@comcast.net.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> ** **
>
> *Don Guyer*
>
> Windows Systems Engineer
>
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>
> Enterprise Technology Group
>
> *Fiserv*
>
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>
> Fax: 610-233-0404
>
> www.fiserv.com
>
> [image: Description: Frog Signature]
>
> ** **
>
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Re: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Andrew S. Baker]

He did say "barely"

::ignores Steven's glaring typo::

* *

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> You seemd to have spelled 'the state' just fine.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Webster  wrote:
>
>>  And you expected ME to know Pennsylvania geography?  Good lord, I can
>> barely spell the state! J
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:12 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Here’s your sign…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> That’s actually not in my area, but thx for matchmaking anyway, Webster!*
>> ***
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> J
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Don Guyer*
>>
>> Windows Systems Engineer
>>
>> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>>
>> Enterprise Technology Group
>>
>> *Fiserv*
>>
>> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>>
>> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>>
>> Fax: 610-233-0404
>>
>> www.fiserv.com
>>
>> [image: Description: Frog Signature]
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be
>> interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will
>> have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, XenApp
>> 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be located here
>> in Bethlehem PA. 
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* OT: Looking for Position
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Everyone,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I was just notified that my position will be cut,
>> effective the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the
>> Southeastern area of PA, please contact me offline at
>> don.gu...@comcast.net.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Don Guyer*
>>
>> Windows Systems Engineer
>>
>> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>>
>> Enterprise Technology Group
>>
>> *Fiserv*
>>
>> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>>
>> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>>
>> Fax: 610-233-0404
>>
>> www.fiserv.com
>>
>> [image: Description: Frog Signature]
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>>

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Re: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Steven Peck]

You seemd to have spelled 'the state' just fine.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Webster  wrote:

>  And you expected ME to know Pennsylvania geography?  Good lord, I can
> barely spell the state! J
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:12 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>
> ** **
>
> LOL!
>
> ** **
>
> Here’s your sign…
>
> ** **
>
> That’s actually not in my area, but thx for matchmaking anyway, Webster!**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> J
>
> ** **
>
> *Don Guyer*
>
> Windows Systems Engineer
>
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>
> Enterprise Technology Group
>
> *Fiserv*
>
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>
> Fax: 610-233-0404
>
> www.fiserv.com
>
> [image: Description: Frog Signature]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania
>
> ** **
>
> Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be
> interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will
> have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, XenApp
> 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be located here
> in Bethlehem PA. 
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT: Looking for Position
>
> ** **
>
> Everyone,
>
> ** **
>
> I was just notified that my position will be cut, effective
> the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the Southeastern
> area of PA, please contact me offline at don.gu...@comcast.net.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> ** **
>
> *Don Guyer*
>
> Windows Systems Engineer
>
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>
> Enterprise Technology Group
>
> *Fiserv*
>
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>
> Fax: 610-233-0404
>
> www.fiserv.com
>
> [image: Description: Frog Signature]
>
> ** **
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RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Webster]

And you expected ME to know Pennsylvania geography?  Good lord, I can barely 
spell the state! :)

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

LOL!

Here's your sign...

That's actually not in my area, but thx for matchmaking anyway, Webster!

:)

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com
[Description: Frog Signature]

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.

If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be 
interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will have 
the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, XenApp 5). 
This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be located here in 
Bethlehem PA.
Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
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From: Guyer, Don 
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Looking for Position

Everyone,

I was just notified that my position will be cut, effective the 
end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the Southeastern area of 
PA, please contact me offline at 
don.gu...@comcast.net.

Thanks,

Don Guyer
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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Sullivan]

Agreed. Hopefully, the new CEO will not follow the old in that category and
stick with cleaning house and making their existing products resemble what
they used to as far as quality goes.

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Andrew S. Baker  wrote:

> IBM hasn't been making stupid acquisitions, however.
>
>
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> Technology for the SMB market…
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>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
>
>> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
>> profitable and the PC market is not. At the same time they are spinning off
>> the PC division so the shareholders will get something out of it in the long
>> run. I think they are following IBM's lead here and they are doing quite
>> well overall. I wonder what will happen with the ProCurve line, I'm sure
>> that all depends on the profit margin!
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan 
>>> wrote:
>>> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
>>> PC
>>> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>>>
>>>  Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
>>> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
>>> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
>>> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>>>
>>>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
>>> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
>>> as lacking direction.
>>>
>>> -- Ben
>>>
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>>
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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Andrew S. Baker]

IBM hasn't been making stupid acquisitions, however.


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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:

> I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
> profitable and the PC market is not. At the same time they are spinning off
> the PC division so the shareholders will get something out of it in the long
> run. I think they are following IBM's lead here and they are doing quite
> well overall. I wonder what will happen with the ProCurve line, I'm sure
> that all depends on the profit margin!
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
>> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
>> PC
>> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>>
>>  Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
>> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
>> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
>> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>>
>>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
>> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
>> as lacking direction.
>>
>> -- Ben
>>
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>
>
> --
> Thank you,
> Mike Sullivan
>
>
>

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Sullivan]

I can see the direction they are taking, software and services are more
profitable and the PC market is not. At the same time they are spinning off
the PC division so the shareholders will get something out of it in the long
run. I think they are following IBM's lead here and they are doing quite
well overall. I wonder what will happen with the ProCurve line, I'm sure
that all depends on the profit margin!

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>
>  Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>
>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
> as lacking direction.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
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Re: Speaking of RDS..........

[Dean Cunningham]

As a newbie to APARs, I understand your pain.. :D



On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Linda Jones wrote:

> :-)
>
> Just reading that word "APAR" takes me way way back (and not in a good
> way).
>
>
>

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Andrew S. Baker]

It is most certainly about lacking direction...

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
>
>   Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
> means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
> or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
> than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?
>
>  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
> acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
> as lacking direction.
>
> -- Ben
>
>

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.

  Yah, I heard that this morning.  I wonder what "personal computer"
means in this context.  Do they just mean home and consumer laptops,
or also the business desktop/laptop machines, or everything smaller
than a refrigerator, or anything with an x86...?

  I also find it telling that in the same breath, they're talking more
acquisitions.  I realize this is a simplistic view, but it strikes me
as lacking direction.

-- Ben

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Matthew W. Ross]

HP Getting rid of WebOS - Okay, it could make sense. I could see some higher-up 
saying "We've put a lot into this, and it's failing! Cut it!"

HP Getting rid of their desktops - Huh? Aren't they #2 in that field? This is 
the bit that doesn't make sense at all.

Is HP getting rid of their server business as well? Anybody heard either way?


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Andrew S. Baker
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2011
13:44:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)


> Wow!
> 
> * *
> 
> *ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
> 
> *
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> > HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> > Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
> >
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> >
> >> +1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.
> >>
> >> Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving
> clients
> >> to them (HP1810G series)
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> >>
> >> LOL!
> >>
> >> At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
> >> Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
> >> quite remember).
> >>
> >> I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...
> >>
> >> Don Guyer
> >> Windows Systems Engineer
> >> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
> >> Enterprise Technology Group
> >> Fiserv
> >> don.gu...@fiserv.com
> >> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
> >> Fax: 610-233-0404
> >> www.fiserv.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
> >>  wrote:
> >> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
> >> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
> >>
> >>  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
> >> enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
> >> any more.
> >>
> >>  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
> >> ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
> >> nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.
> >>
> >> -- Ben
> >>
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> >
> >
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[N Parr]

I never understood why in a market dominated by Apple and Google they
decided to create a new tablet/phone OS?  



From: Mike Sullivan [mailto:neog...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)


HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their
PC Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cu
ts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:


+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just
moving clients to them (HP1810G series)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers
and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III,
can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673  
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com



-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company
that used
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

 Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was
old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that
aren't made
any more.

 I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few
years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after
a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Andrew S. Baker]

Wow!

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Sullivan  wrote:

> HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
> Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:
>
>> +1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.
>>
>> Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients
>> to them (HP1810G series)
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
>> Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
>> quite remember).
>>
>> I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...
>>
>> Don Guyer
>> Windows Systems Engineer
>> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
>> Enterprise Technology Group
>> Fiserv
>> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>> Fax: 610-233-0404
>> www.fiserv.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>>  wrote:
>> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
>> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
>>
>>  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
>> enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
>> any more.
>>
>>  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
>> ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
>> nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.
>>
>> -- Ben
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>>   ~
>>
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>
>
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>
>
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[pdw1914]

Just read the latest news that HPgetting rid off it's PC line of business.

> From: david@nwea.org
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:49:23 +
> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> 
> +1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.
> 
> Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
> them (HP1810G series)
> 
> Dave
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> 
> LOL!
> 
> At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
> Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
> quite remember).
> 
> I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...
> 
> Don Guyer
> Windows Systems Engineer
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
> Enterprise Technology Group
> Fiserv
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
> Fax: 610-233-0404
> www.fiserv.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
> 
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used 
> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
> 
>   Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
> enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
> any more.
> 
>   I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
> ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
> nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.
> 
> -- Ben
> 
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Re: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Andrew S. Baker]

I was just about to say that... :)

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Webster  wrote:

>  Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.
>
> ** **
>
> If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be
> interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will
> have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, XenApp
> 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be located here
> in Bethlehem PA.
>
> 
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* OT: Looking for Position
>
> ** **
>
> Everyone,
>
> ** **
>
> I was just notified that my position will be cut, effective
> the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the Southeastern
> area of PA, please contact me offline at don.gu...@comcast.net.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> ** **
>
> *Don Guyer*
>
> Windows Systems Engineer
>
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
>
> Enterprise Technology Group
>
> *Fiserv*
>
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
>
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
>
> Fax: 610-233-0404
>
> www.fiserv.com
>
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> ** **
>
>
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Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Mike Sullivan]

HP is discontinuing their WebOS operations and going to spin off their PC
Unit. I'd say they are having some issues.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/hp-punts-on-webos-discontinues-touchpad-cuts-outlook/55386?tag=nl.e589

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:49 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> +1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.
>
> Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients
> to them (HP1810G series)
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>
> LOL!
>
> At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
> Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
> quite remember).
>
> I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...
>
> Don Guyer
> Windows Systems Engineer
> RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
> Enterprise Technology Group
> Fiserv
> don.gu...@fiserv.com
> Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
> Fax: 610-233-0404
> www.fiserv.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
>  wrote:
> > A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used
> > to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C
>
>  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
> enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
> any more.
>
>  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
> ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
> nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Christopher Bodnar]

I actually contacted Don on Monday about this and he informed me it wasn't 
close enough. 


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From:   Webster 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Date:   08/18/2011 04:04 PM
Subject:RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania



Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.
 
If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be 
interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will 
have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, 
XenApp 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be 
located here in Bethlehem PA. 

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com
 
 
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Looking for Position
 
Everyone,
 
I was just notified that my position will be cut, 
effective the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the 
Southeastern area of PA, please contact me offline at 
don.gu...@comcast.net.
 
Thanks,
 
Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed – A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-233-0404
www.fiserv.com

 
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RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Eldridge, Dave]

Bingo +1 

Hand that man a finders fee. J

Hope it works out.

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

 

Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.

 

If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be
interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate
will have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp
6, XenApp 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will
be located here in Bethlehem PA. 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com  

 

 

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Looking for Position

 

Everyone,

 

I was just notified that my position will be cut,
effective the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the
Southeastern area of PA, please contact me offline at 
don.gu...@comcast.net.

 

Thanks,

 

Don Guyer

Windows Systems Engineer

RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2

Enterprise Technology Group

Fiserv

don.gu...@fiserv.com

Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673

Fax: 610-233-0404

www.fiserv.com  

 

 

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RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Guyer, Don]

LOL!

 

Here's your sign...

 

That's actually not in my area, but thx for matchmaking anyway, Webster!

 

J

 

Don Guyer

Windows Systems Engineer

RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2

Enterprise Technology Group

Fiserv

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Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673

Fax: 610-233-0404

www.fiserv.com  

 

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

 

Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.

 

If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be
interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate
will have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp
6, XenApp 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will
be located here in Bethlehem PA. 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com  

 

 

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Looking for Position

 

Everyone,

 

I was just notified that my position will be cut,
effective the end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the
Southeastern area of PA, please contact me offline at 
don.gu...@comcast.net.

 

Thanks,

 

Don Guyer

Windows Systems Engineer

RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2

Enterprise Technology Group

Fiserv

don.gu...@fiserv.com

Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673

Fax: 610-233-0404

www.fiserv.com  



 

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RE: Looking for Position and Positions in Pennsylvania

[Webster]

Christopher Bodnar meet Don Guyer, Don meet Chris.

If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be 
interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will have 
the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, XenApp 5). 
This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be located here in 
Bethlehem PA.

Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com


From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Looking for Position

Everyone,

I was just notified that my position will be cut, effective the 
end of September. If anyone hears of anything open in the Southeastern area of 
PA, please contact me offline at 
don.gu...@comcast.net.

Thanks,

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
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Positions in Pennsylvania

[Christopher Bodnar]

If anyone is looking or knows of someone who is looking, we will be 
interviewing soon for a Sr. level Sys Admin position. Ideal candidate will 
have the typical qualifications with an emphasis on Citrix (XenApp 6, 
XenApp 5). This is a FTE position not a contract position, and will be 
located here in Bethlehem PA. 

There will more than likely be (2) additional Junior Admin positions 
opening in the very near future, but those are not posted yet. 

If anyone is interested please contact me offline.

Thanks,

Chris Bodnar, MCSE, MCITP
Technical Support III
Distributed Systems Service Delivery - Intel Services
Guardian Life Insurance Company of America
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RE: OT: Actually it may not be but opinion wanted on this

[Webster]

And when you (the consultant) do the ordering, then you have to worry about 
collecting sales and use taxes and also getting a sales tax permit.  Then you 
have to deal with monthly reports and the headache that comes from returns, 
etc.  Just have the customer order the stuff with their money and let CDW/Dell 
or whoever worry about the sales taxes.

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> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:31 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT: Actually it may not be but opinion wanted on this
> 
> Since you mentioned consulting I thought I'd chime in.  As a rule, we avoid
> purchasing anything for our clients.  We will spec and do the ordering, but
> avoid paying the bills.  I'd rather just have the overhead of labor to worry
> about and not having to pay interest on CC debt while I wait for clients to
> pay me.
> 
> For most clients of any size we usually setup accounts with CDW for them
> and they can setup terms or have a CC  at CDW.  Makes things simple and
> allows us to research past purchases, invoices etc.  Tiny clients I just use
> new egg usually.  Saves them sales tax.
> 
> Bill
> 
> Jon Harris wrote:
> > I seem to remember a while back a discussion on online purchasing and
> > use of prepaid cards for that purpose.  Are any of you doing that or
> > do you use a regular credit card attached to your PII?  I am just now
> > starting to do online purchasing for my consulting and really do not
> > like the idea of having my cc #, name and address stolen by hackers
> > because some online company was a little forgetful or not following
> > best practices.  FYI I don't do online banking at all and unless I end
> > up being forced to do so don't plan to change that.
> >
> > If you are using a prepaid card which company do you use?  Visa,
> > MasterCard, Amex, Discover, or some other?
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your opinion on this,
> >
> > Jon Harris
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RE: [Bulk] Re: Password expirations

[David Lum]

I've been using Michael's script for about a year now, works great and our VPN 
users really appreciate it.

Dave

From: Orland, Kathleen [mailto:korl...@rogers.com]
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: Password expirations

+1
I'm using this too.

From: Cameron [mailto:cameron.orl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [Bulk] Re: Password expirations

There is a free one that works pretty well.
www.netwrix.com (check the freeware section). It 
actually emails the users to tell them...I think the default is 14 days 
before...it will also send you an email with all the passwords that are going 
to expire within that period. The only thing I had to do was block the website 
on our ISA server, because as much as I tell/email NOT to click on the link 
that the paid version enables they still do. Then I get an email from them 
saying "hey..my password expired and the link doesn't work!" So I forward off 
my latest email to them.

HTH!
Cameron
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
There are quite a few scripts out there that do this. Here was one I wrote a 
long time ago. I've updated it to PowerShell (and fixed a few bugs in the 
process), but never blogged the update. I'll do that one day.

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2007/11/13/sending-an-e-mail-to-users-whose-password-is-about-to-expire.aspx

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich 
[mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Password expirations

Any sort of a utility that can be run on a workstation to advise a user when
their password has expired? Most of my users only shut down/log out once a
week at most (Friday night) so they often go several days with an expired
password and never know it until they try and access a network drive and are
denied.

I know, I could probably force the system to log them out every night at 7PM
or something, but that's really more work than I want to do, among other
things. :)

Thanks

Thanks,
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IT Manager,
Blueridge Carpet
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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[David Lum]

+1  I have a client with two LJ 4's that are still going.

Please don't say it's going to the Procurve side, I am just moving clients to 
them (HP1810G series)

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Guyer, Don [mailto:don.gu...@fiserv.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
Windows Systems Engineer
RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
don.gu...@fiserv.com
Office: 1-800-523-7282 x 1673
Fax: 610-233-0404
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used 
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
any more.

  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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Re: Why not failwords?

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>>To enable the user who has access to the multi-million dollar stock
account to use a failword, the infrastructure would need to be there for the
little guy like me.*

Not necessarily, no, as evidenced by the fact that it is clearly implemented
in some places, but not others.

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug <
doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:

> I'd say pretty much everything is becoming a computing environment. I guess
> I'm saying that whether implemented or not maybe failwords need to be built
> in from the ground up.
>
> To enable the user who has access to the multi-million dollar stock account
> to use a failword, the infrastructure would need to be there for the little
> guy like me.
>
> At the local hardware/ big box store 5 tries and you're out is fine. Maybe
> not at the bank.
>
> Are we so fixated on low hanging fruit that we can't set our sights any
> higher?
>
> I've never found that "we've always done it that way" was a good reason for
> anything. By itself. I do realize that inertia is a force of nature.
>
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
> Work: 425-743-8172 | Mobile: 425-835-DOUG(3684)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:52 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why not failwords?
>
> I could be missing your objective here, but could you explain how would
> this work in a computing environment? You use the *h@rd3r* password on
> relatively sensitive websites ( banks, corporate login , email etc) and use
> your failword for everything else?  Would you expect, as an example, an AD
> database to store two sets of passwords?
> And if brute force occurs the weaker password (failword) is obtained and
> subsequently used triggering a security event?
>
> I could be missing the efficacy of using a failword in a computing
> environment entirely.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Harry
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2011, William Robbins 
> wrote:
> > That's always the balance security has to walk between what's safe and
> what's usable.  But as Ben said, the more usable you make it and allowing
> for PEBKAC errors, the easier it is for it to be compromised.
> >
> > I do the CAPS lock thing on occasion, or what ever too...but after that
> first notification I pay attention to everything to be certain I don't lock
> my account.  3 - 5 attempt should be more than adequate I think.
> >  - WJR
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:24, Hilderbrand, Doug <
> doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let's just drop the SG thing. I didn't mean to start a flame war.
> >
> > I don't like lockout attempt settings too low. On more occasions than
> > I'd like to admit, I have used up multiple attempts because of a
> > caps-lock issue or because I'm trying to get a valid password *from a
> > different site* to work or something else silly. I think we're all
> > id10ts at one time or another.
> >
> >
> > Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> > Aerospace & Electronics
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:10 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Why not failwords?
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
> >  wrote:
> >> Why hasn't anyone implemented fail words?
> >
> >   These are called "duress codes" and are commonly assigned for things
> > like security alarms, locks (like your bank vault), etc.  The key
> > aspect of a duress code is that *it appears to succeed like the normal
> > code would*.  It notifies responders without alerting the point-of-use.
> > They're intended to protect the person under duress.
> > If the duress code refused entry (or acted like bad password, etc.),
> > the attacker could harm the person under duress.  If all the person
> > under duress cares about is protecting the asset, they just refuse to
> > enter any code and take the knife to the guts.
> >
> >   Looking for common words as a trap against untargeted attacks is
> > adds nothing; you should already be implementing lockout after a few
> > failed attempts.
> >
> >   Stop listening to GRC.  While he's not a complete idiot, he's often
> > misinformed, and Can't!  Talk!  About!  Anything!  Like!  It's!  Not!
> > The!  Most!  Amazing!  Thing!  Ever!, even if what he's just
> > "discovered" or "invented" has been well-known for decades.
> >
> > -- Ben
> >
>

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Re: OT: Actually it may not be but opinion wanted on this

[Bill Humphries]

Since you mentioned consulting I thought I'd chime in.  As a rule, we 
avoid purchasing anything for our clients.  We will spec and do the 
ordering, but avoid paying the bills.  I'd rather just have the overhead 
of labor to worry about and not having to pay interest on CC debt while 
I wait for clients to pay me.


For most clients of any size we usually setup accounts with CDW for them 
and they can setup terms or have a CC  at CDW.  Makes things simple and 
allows us to research past purchases, invoices etc.  Tiny clients I just 
use new egg usually.  Saves them sales tax.


Bill

Jon Harris wrote:
I seem to remember a while back a discussion on online purchasing and 
use of prepaid cards for that purpose.  Are any of you doing that or 
do you use a regular credit card attached to your PII?  I am just now 
starting to do online purchasing for my consulting and really do not 
like the idea of having my cc #, name and address stolen by hackers 
because some online company was a little forgetful or not following 
best practices.  FYI I don't do online banking at all and unless I end 
up being forced to do so don't plan to change that.
 
If you are using a prepaid card which company do you use?  Visa, 
MasterCard, Amex, Discover, or some other?
 
Thanks a lot for your opinion on this,
 
Jon Harris


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Looking for web site developing companies

[Tom Miller]

Hi Folks,
 
I'm looking for recommendations for companies that do web site development.  We 
maintain a number of web sites here for our various .org sites.  
 
I and my team don't have the time to completely redesign our sites.  We can 
maintain and update, but I'd prefer to use a specialized service to assist with 
design and occasional support once design is implemented.  We are implementing 
an internal Share Point portal, so I'd prefer a SP-based design since we 
already use SP.
 
We are in Virginia, are state and non-profit.  If anyone has any 
recommendations, please let me know.
 
Tom

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RE: Why not failwords?

[Hilderbrand, Doug]

I'd say pretty much everything is becoming a computing environment. I guess I'm 
saying that whether implemented or not maybe failwords need to be built in from 
the ground up.

To enable the user who has access to the multi-million dollar stock account to 
use a failword, the infrastructure would need to be there for the little guy 
like me.

At the local hardware/ big box store 5 tries and you're out is fine. Maybe not 
at the bank. 

Are we so fixated on low hanging fruit that we can't set our sights any higher?

I've never found that "we've always done it that way" was a good reason for 
anything. By itself. I do realize that inertia is a force of nature.


Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane Aerospace & 
Electronics
Work: 425-743-8172 | Mobile: 425-835-DOUG(3684)


-Original Message-
From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why not failwords?

I could be missing your objective here, but could you explain how would this 
work in a computing environment? You use the *h@rd3r* password on relatively 
sensitive websites ( banks, corporate login , email etc) and use your failword 
for everything else?  Would you expect, as an example, an AD database to store 
two sets of passwords?
And if brute force occurs the weaker password (failword) is obtained and 
subsequently used triggering a security event?

I could be missing the efficacy of using a failword in a computing environment 
entirely.

Cheers,

Harry

On Thursday, August 18, 2011, William Robbins  wrote:
> That's always the balance security has to walk between what's safe and 
> what's usable.  But as Ben said, the more usable you make it and allowing for 
> PEBKAC errors, the easier it is for it to be compromised.
>
> I do the CAPS lock thing on occasion, or what ever too...but after that first 
> notification I pay attention to everything to be certain I don't lock my 
> account.  3 - 5 attempt should be more than adequate I think.
>  - WJR
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:24, Hilderbrand, Doug 
>  wrote:
>
> Let's just drop the SG thing. I didn't mean to start a flame war.
>
> I don't like lockout attempt settings too low. On more occasions than 
> I'd like to admit, I have used up multiple attempts because of a 
> caps-lock issue or because I'm trying to get a valid password *from a 
> different site* to work or something else silly. I think we're all 
> id10ts at one time or another.
>
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane 
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:10 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why not failwords?
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug 
>  wrote:
>> Why hasn't anyone implemented fail words?
>
>   These are called "duress codes" and are commonly assigned for things 
> like security alarms, locks (like your bank vault), etc.  The key 
> aspect of a duress code is that *it appears to succeed like the normal 
> code would*.  It notifies responders without alerting the point-of-use.
> They're intended to protect the person under duress.
> If the duress code refused entry (or acted like bad password, etc.), 
> the attacker could harm the person under duress.  If all the person 
> under duress cares about is protecting the asset, they just refuse to 
> enter any code and take the knife to the guts.
>
>   Looking for common words as a trap against untargeted attacks is 
> adds nothing; you should already be implementing lockout after a few 
> failed attempts.
>
>   Stop listening to GRC.  While he's not a complete idiot, he's often 
> misinformed, and Can't!  Talk!  About!  Anything!  Like!  It's!  Not!
> The!  Most!  Amazing!  Thing!  Ever!, even if what he's just 
> "discovered" or "invented" has been well-known for decades.
>
> -- Ben
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RE: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Steven M. Caesare]

A couple of notes:

> * Target related (if the site is Yoyodyne, try "yoyodyne")

While I appreciate this is just an example, please do not try this at
home. Yoyodyne is not an entity to be trifled with.

> * Drug the user and hit him with a $5 wrench until he tells you the
password

Wrenches of other values also have varying degrees of success.

-sc

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 2:41 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
> 
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
>  wrote:
> > ... short and complex versus long password issue. I use long teens
and
> > twenties long character passwords at work with upper/lower case,
> > numbers and punctuation.
> 
>   Broadly speaking, increasing the size of a password is usually more
useful
> than increasing the complexity (entropy per character).  There are
multiple
> things at work: Humans generally find it easier to remember words than
> characters.  Brute force, rainbow tables, dictionaries, and other such
attacks
> increase in cost as you increase overall length.  Combine the two and
length
> is the winner.  You also have various algorithmic accidents (such as
the
> infamous NTLM two-part password hash thing) that usually mean longer
is
> better in the event of a compromised hash.
> 
> > If guessing a password doesn't work, brute force is all that's left.
> 
>   There are quite a few different ways to attack passwords.
> 
> * Universally common passwords ("password", "12345", etc.)
> * Common password patterns (dates, SSNs, etc.)
> * Target related (if the site is Yoyodyne, try "yoyodyne")
> * User related (try user's favorite car, local sports team, etc.)
> * Various common word lists (words from popular fiction, computers,
> profanity)
> * English words in general
> * Steal passwords for another site and try them elsewhere
> * Man-in-the-middle
> * Compromise the user's computer and sniff keystrokes
> * Compromise the user's password vault
> * Compromise the security of the target system
> * Bribe people who work at the target entity
> * Drug the user and hit him with a $5 wrench until he tells you the
password
> * Brute force (try every possible password, in sequential order)
> 
>   And those are just the most ones I could think of right now.  :)
> 
> -- Ben
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Re: Why not failwords?

[Harry Singh]

I could be missing your objective here, but could you explain how
would this work in a computing environment? You use the *h@rd3r*
password on relatively sensitive websites ( banks, corporate login ,
email etc) and use your failword for everything else?  Would you
expect, as an example, an AD database to store two sets of passwords?
And if brute force occurs the weaker password (failword) is obtained
and subsequently used triggering a security event?

I could be missing the efficacy of using a failword in a computing
environment entirely.

Cheers,

Harry

On Thursday, August 18, 2011, William Robbins  wrote:
> That's always the balance security has to walk between what's safe and 
> what's usable.  But as Ben said, the more usable you make it and allowing for 
> PEBKAC errors, the easier it is for it to be compromised.
>
> I do the CAPS lock thing on occasion, or what ever too...but after that first 
> notification I pay attention to everything to be certain I don't lock my 
> account.  3 - 5 attempt should be more than adequate I think.
>  - WJR
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:24, Hilderbrand, Doug 
>  wrote:
>
> Let's just drop the SG thing. I didn't mean to start a flame war.
>
> I don't like lockout attempt settings too low. On more occasions than
> I'd like to admit, I have used up multiple attempts because of a
> caps-lock issue or because I'm trying to get a valid password *from a
> different site* to work or something else silly. I think we're all
> id10ts at one time or another.
>
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:10 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why not failwords?
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
>  wrote:
>> Why hasn't anyone implemented fail words?
>
>   These are called "duress codes" and are commonly assigned for things
> like security alarms, locks (like your bank vault), etc.  The key aspect
> of a duress code is that *it appears to succeed like the normal code
> would*.  It notifies responders without alerting the point-of-use.
> They're intended to protect the person under duress.
> If the duress code refused entry (or acted like bad password, etc.), the
> attacker could harm the person under duress.  If all the person under
> duress cares about is protecting the asset, they just refuse to enter
> any code and take the knife to the guts.
>
>   Looking for common words as a trap against untargeted attacks is adds
> nothing; you should already be implementing lockout after a few failed
> attempts.
>
>   Stop listening to GRC.  While he's not a complete idiot, he's often
> misinformed, and Can't!  Talk!  About!  Anything!  Like!  It's!  Not!
> The!  Most!  Amazing!  Thing!  Ever!, even if what he's just
> "discovered" or "invented" has been well-known for decades.
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
 wrote:
> ... short and complex versus long password issue. I use long teens and 
> twenties
> long character passwords at work with upper/lower case, numbers and
> punctuation.

  Broadly speaking, increasing the size of a password is usually more
useful than increasing the complexity (entropy per character).  There
are multiple things at work: Humans generally find it easier to
remember words than characters.  Brute force, rainbow tables,
dictionaries, and other such attacks increase in cost as you increase
overall length.  Combine the two and length is the winner.  You also
have various algorithmic accidents (such as the infamous NTLM two-part
password hash thing) that usually mean longer is better in the event
of a compromised hash.

> If guessing a password doesn’t work, brute force is all that’s left.

  There are quite a few different ways to attack passwords.

* Universally common passwords ("password", "12345", etc.)
* Common password patterns (dates, SSNs, etc.)
* Target related (if the site is Yoyodyne, try "yoyodyne")
* User related (try user's favorite car, local sports team, etc.)
* Various common word lists (words from popular fiction, computers, profanity)
* English words in general
* Steal passwords for another site and try them elsewhere
* Man-in-the-middle
* Compromise the user's computer and sniff keystrokes
* Compromise the user's password vault
* Compromise the security of the target system
* Bribe people who work at the target entity
* Drug the user and hit him with a $5 wrench until he tells you the password
* Brute force (try every possible password, in sequential order)

  And those are just the most ones I could think of right now.  :)

-- Ben

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Re: Why not failwords?

[William Robbins]

That's always the balance security has to walk between what's safe and
what's usable.  But as Ben said, the more usable you make it and allowing
for PEBKAC errors, the easier it is for it to be compromised.

I do the CAPS lock thing on occasion, or what ever too...but after that
first notification I pay attention to everything to be certain I don't lock
my account.  3 - 5 attempt should be more than adequate I think.

 - WJR


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:24, Hilderbrand, Doug <
doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:

> Let's just drop the SG thing. I didn't mean to start a flame war.
>
> I don't like lockout attempt settings too low. On more occasions than
> I'd like to admit, I have used up multiple attempts because of a
> caps-lock issue or because I'm trying to get a valid password *from a
> different site* to work or something else silly. I think we're all
> id10ts at one time or another.
>
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:10 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Why not failwords?
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
>  wrote:
> > Why hasn't anyone implemented fail words?
>
>  These are called "duress codes" and are commonly assigned for things
> like security alarms, locks (like your bank vault), etc.  The key aspect
> of a duress code is that *it appears to succeed like the normal code
> would*.  It notifies responders without alerting the point-of-use.
> They're intended to protect the person under duress.
> If the duress code refused entry (or acted like bad password, etc.), the
> attacker could harm the person under duress.  If all the person under
> duress cares about is protecting the asset, they just refuse to enter
> any code and take the knife to the guts.
>
>  Looking for common words as a trap against untargeted attacks is adds
> nothing; you should already be implementing lockout after a few failed
> attempts.
>
>   Stop listening to GRC.  While he's not a complete idiot, he's often
> misinformed, and Can't!  Talk!  About!  Anything!  Like!  It's!  Not!
> The!  Most!  Amazing!  Thing!  Ever!, even if what he's just
> "discovered" or "invented" has been well-known for decades.
>
> -- Ben
>
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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Jonathan Link]

Repeatedly...

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:25 PM, William Robbins wrote:

> LastPass is good stuff, I have about 90% of my web passes generated by
> their password generation tool out as far as the website will support.
>
> But that's just the first piece o'the pie.  You can have a great password,
> and then Sony get's penetrated...
>
>  - WJR
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:16, Hilderbrand, Doug <
> doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:
>
>> My perhaps misguided praise of SG aside, I still think he nailed the short
>> and complex versus long password issue. I use long teens and twenties long
>> character passwords at work with upper/lower case, numbers and punctuation.
>> They’re based on phrases, but look like gibberish.  Though as Steve suggests
>> with his password haystack idea, I’m starting to pad some of my older
>> shorter passwords with extra characters. Not always the same character and
>> not always at the end.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If guessing a password doesn’t work, brute force is all that’s left.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> And I like LastPass. I know they were in the news. They responded to the *
>> *possibility** of a hack exactly as a security company should have.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
>> Aerospace & Electronics
>>
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:48 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I was waiting for someone else to step up.  Glad to see I'm not
>> disappointed.
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, William Robbins 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Steve Gibson?  Seriously?
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/wmf_fud_from_grc/
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/25/steve_gibson_really_is_off/
>>
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/12/security_geek_developing_winxp_raw/
>> 
>>
>>
>> http://www.myharddrivedied.com/blog/why-spinrite-not-my-data-recovery-software-list
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/**
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>>  - WJR
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:05, Hilderbrand, Doug <
>> doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:
>>
>> Find and listen to Steve Gibson’s explanation of his password haystacks
>> concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he’s spot on. Password
>> length wins over complexity. Put both together and there’s not enough
>> petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
>> couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp and udp
>> protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types, but I find
>> the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives blow-by-blow
>> explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and Adobe keep being
>> the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too. Definitely look up his
>> “portable dog killer” and Vitamin D episodes. SPCA note: no animals were
>> harmed in the portable dog killer episode.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I actually had
>> heroes. If the name is not familiar, he’s the guy who wrote SpinRite.
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://twit.tv/sn
>>
>> http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>>
>>  
>>
>> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
>> Aerospace & Electronics
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>
>> *Subject:* Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>>
>>  
>>
>> http://xkcd.com/936/# 
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yet, very pertinent.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>
>>  
>>
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Re: Why not failwords?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
 wrote:
> I don't like lockout attempt settings too low. On more occasions than
> I'd like to admit, I have used up multiple attempts because of a
> caps-lock issue or because I'm trying to get a valid password *from a
> different site* to work or something else silly. I think we're all
> id10ts at one time or another.

  If you make it easy for the "right" user to crack a system, you also
make it easier for a hostile party to crack the system.

-- Ben

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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Andrew S. Baker]

I ignored it just to get to the heart of the point...

* *

*ASB* *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> I was waiting for someone else to step up.  Glad to see I'm not
> disappointed.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, William Robbins wrote:
>
>> Steve Gibson?  Seriously?
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/wmf_fud_from_grc/
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/25/steve_gibson_really_is_off/
>>
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/12/security_geek_developing_winxp_raw/
>>
>> http://www.myharddrivedied.com/blog/why-spinrite-not-my-data-recovery-software-list
>>
>> http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/
>>
>> http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/
>>
>>
>>  - WJR
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:05, Hilderbrand, Doug <
>> doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Find and listen to Steve Gibson’s explanation of his password haystacks
>>> concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he’s spot on. Password
>>> length wins over complexity. Put both together and there’s not enough
>>> petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
>>> couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp and udp
>>> protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types, but I find
>>> the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives blow-by-blow
>>> explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and Adobe keep being
>>> the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too. Definitely look up his
>>> “portable dog killer” and Vitamin D episodes. SPCA note: no animals were
>>> harmed in the portable dog killer episode.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I actually had
>>> heroes. If the name is not familiar, he’s the guy who wrote SpinRite.***
>>> *
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> http://twit.tv/sn
>>>
>>> http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
>>> Aerospace & Electronics
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> http://xkcd.com/936/# 
>>> 
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> Yet, very pertinent.
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> ** **
>>>
>>> *ASB*
>>>
>>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>>
>>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[William Robbins]

LastPass is good stuff, I have about 90% of my web passes generated by their
password generation tool out as far as the website will support.

But that's just the first piece o'the pie.  You can have a great password,
and then Sony get's penetrated...

 - WJR


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:16, Hilderbrand, Doug <
doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:

> My perhaps misguided praise of SG aside, I still think he nailed the short
> and complex versus long password issue. I use long teens and twenties long
> character passwords at work with upper/lower case, numbers and punctuation.
> They’re based on phrases, but look like gibberish.  Though as Steve suggests
> with his password haystack idea, I’m starting to pad some of my older
> shorter passwords with extra characters. Not always the same character and
> not always at the end.
>
> ** **
>
> If guessing a password doesn’t work, brute force is all that’s left.
>
> ** **
>
> And I like LastPass. I know they were in the news. They responded to the *
> *possibility** of a hack exactly as a security company should have.
>
> ** **
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:48 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>
> ** **
>
> I was waiting for someone else to step up.  Glad to see I'm not
> disappointed.
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, William Robbins 
> wrote:
>
> Steve Gibson?  Seriously?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/wmf_fud_from_grc/
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/25/steve_gibson_really_is_off/
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/12/security_geek_developing_winxp_raw/
> 
>
>
> http://www.myharddrivedied.com/blog/why-spinrite-not-my-data-recovery-software-list
> 
>
> ** **
>
> http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/
>
> ** **
>
> http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/***
> *
>
> ** **
>
>
>  - WJR
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:05, Hilderbrand, Doug <
> doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:
>
> Find and listen to Steve Gibson’s explanation of his password haystacks
> concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he’s spot on. Password
> length wins over complexity. Put both together and there’s not enough
> petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.
>
>  
>
> Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
> couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp and udp
> protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types, but I find
> the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives blow-by-blow
> explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and Adobe keep being
> the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too. Definitely look up his
> “portable dog killer” and Vitamin D episodes. SPCA note: no animals were
> harmed in the portable dog killer episode.
>
>  
>
> Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I actually had
> heroes. If the name is not familiar, he’s the guy who wrote SpinRite.
>
>  
>
> http://twit.tv/sn
>
> http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
>  
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>
>  
>
> http://xkcd.com/936/# 
> 
>
>  
>
> Yet, very pertinent.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>  
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
>
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>
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RE: Why not failwords?

[Hilderbrand, Doug]

Let's just drop the SG thing. I didn't mean to start a flame war.

I don't like lockout attempt settings too low. On more occasions than
I'd like to admit, I have used up multiple attempts because of a
caps-lock issue or because I'm trying to get a valid password *from a
different site* to work or something else silly. I think we're all
id10ts at one time or another.


Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
Aerospace & Electronics

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why not failwords?

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
 wrote:
> Why hasn't anyone implemented fail words?

  These are called "duress codes" and are commonly assigned for things
like security alarms, locks (like your bank vault), etc.  The key aspect
of a duress code is that *it appears to succeed like the normal code
would*.  It notifies responders without alerting the point-of-use.
They're intended to protect the person under duress.
If the duress code refused entry (or acted like bad password, etc.), the
attacker could harm the person under duress.  If all the person under
duress cares about is protecting the asset, they just refuse to enter
any code and take the knife to the guts.

  Looking for common words as a trap against untargeted attacks is adds
nothing; you should already be implementing lockout after a few failed
attempts.

  Stop listening to GRC.  While he's not a complete idiot, he's often
misinformed, and Can't!  Talk!  About!  Anything!  Like!  It's!  Not!
The!  Most!  Amazing!  Thing!  Ever!, even if what he's just
"discovered" or "invented" has been well-known for decades.

-- Ben

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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[William Robbins]

Shush you!  ;)

 - WJR


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 13:15, Steven M. Caesare wrote:

> C’mon… you know NanoProbes(!) are Teh Bomb!
>
> ** **
>
> -sc
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:39 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>
> ** **
>
> Steve Gibson?  Seriously?
> 
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/wmf_fud_from_grc/
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/25/steve_gibson_really_is_off/
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/12/security_geek_developing_winxp_raw/
> 
>
>
> http://www.myharddrivedied.com/blog/why-spinrite-not-my-data-recovery-software-list
> 
>
> ** **
>
> http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/
>
> ** **
>
> http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/***
> *
>
> ** **
>
>
>  - WJR
>
> 
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:05, Hilderbrand, Doug <
> doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:
>
> Find and listen to Steve Gibson’s explanation of his password haystacks
> concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he’s spot on. Password
> length wins over complexity. Put both together and there’s not enough
> petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.
>
>  
>
> Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
> couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp and udp
> protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types, but I find
> the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives blow-by-blow
> explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and Adobe keep being
> the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too. Definitely look up his
> “portable dog killer” and Vitamin D episodes. SPCA note: no animals were
> harmed in the portable dog killer episode.
>
>  
>
> Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I actually had
> heroes. If the name is not familiar, he’s the guy who wrote SpinRite.
>
>  
>
> http://twit.tv/sn
>
> http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
>  
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
>  
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>
>  
>
> http://xkcd.com/936/# 
> 
>
>  
>
> Yet, very pertinent.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
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>
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RE: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?

[Tim Evans]

We've found their support to consistently be very responsive.

...Tim

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?

Thanks Tim.  I've just purchased a 3 user license to trial with some users, 
myself included.

It's a learning curve for me because generating PDF's isn't something I'm 
usually involved in, so I have as much to learn and gain as anyone else.

I take the point about the interface, but I suspect that's familiarity, and in 
our case I don't think we're looking to replace our PDF reader product, only 
the creation side.

The good thing is I had some questions and emailed support and got a reply 
quickly, and that addressed my question(s) - prompt and not scripted which is 
encouraging.

I'll get some people using it in anger and see how it performs over the next 
few weeks.

From: Tim Evans [tev...@sparling.com]
Sent: 18 August 2011 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?
We use it here. It's a good product. I personally have no complaints with it. 
We've run into basically two issues with it, neither insurmountable:

* Incompatibility with new Adobe PDF features
It seems like Adobe, in their attempt to keep their lead in the software 
vulnerability department, keeps adding features to the PDF format. The most 
recent that I'm aware of is the ability to package multiple documents into a 
single PDF file. When you open one of these in a non-Acrobat reader, all you 
see is a page saying that you need Adobe reader to view this document. 
PDFXchange was about 6 months behind in releasing version that could deal with 
these files. Now, we have a training issue in telling people that they don't 
need Acrobat and showing them how to access the enclosed files. It's not 
difficult, just not immediately obvious to the normal user.
We also had issues for a while with an inability to fill out Acrobat generated 
forms. Their support was very good to work with on this, and they came out with 
an update that fixed it about 3 months after we sent them samples of the 
problematic files.

* Interface Differences
The interface is very different from the standard Acrobat interface. We get a 
lot of push back from people that are used to Acrobat about how much more work 
it is to use. IME, once we sit down with people and show them how to use it, 
there are no complaints. The problem is usually that they are too busy to 
bother to learn (or be shown) the different interface.

HTH

...Tim

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?

We currently use Adobe Acrobat Standard or Pro to create anything other than 
basic PDF's.

Acrobat isn't cheap, each new version of Windows and Office seems to break 
something unless you're running the latest version, and it's overkill for 
creating PDFs from Word documents or inserting/deleting the odd page from a PDF 
and perhaps adding a few stamps and saving it with some document security.

A couple of people have recommended PDF-XChange which I hadn't heard of until 
today.

I'll download the demo's and give them a try, but does anyone have any 
first-hand feedback on their products?

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Why not failwords?

[Steven Peck]

>
>
>  Stop listening to GRC.  While he's not a complete idiot, he's often
> misinformed, and Can't!  Talk!  About!  Anything!  Like!  It's!  Not!
> The!  Most!  Amazing!  Thing!  Ever!, even if what he's just
> "discovered" or "invented" has been well-known for decades.
>
^^  Could not agree more.

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RE: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Hilderbrand, Doug]

My perhaps misguided praise of SG aside, I still think he nailed the
short and complex versus long password issue. I use long teens and
twenties long character passwords at work with upper/lower case, numbers
and punctuation. They're based on phrases, but look like gibberish.
Though as Steve suggests with his password haystack idea, I'm starting
to pad some of my older shorter passwords with extra characters. Not
always the same character and not always at the end.

 

If guessing a password doesn't work, brute force is all that's left.

 

And I like LastPass. I know they were in the news. They responded to the
*possibility* of a hack exactly as a security company should have.

 

Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
Aerospace & Electronics



 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

 

I was waiting for someone else to step up.  Glad to see I'm not
disappointed.



 

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, William Robbins 
wrote:

Steve Gibson?  Seriously?


 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/wmf_fud_from_grc/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/25/steve_gibson_really_is_off/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/12/security_geek_developing_winxp_r
aw/

http://www.myharddrivedied.com/blog/why-spinrite-not-my-data-recovery-so
ftware-list

 

http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/

 

http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/

 


 - WJR



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:05, Hilderbrand, Doug
 wrote:

Find and listen to Steve Gibson's explanation of his password
haystacks concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he's spot on.
Password length wins over complexity. Put both together and there's not
enough petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion,
YMMV.

 

Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security.
The last couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp
and udp protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types,
but I find the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives
blow-by-blow explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and
Adobe keep being the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too.
Definitely look up his "portable dog killer" and Vitamin D episodes.
SPCA note: no animals were harmed in the portable dog killer episode.

 

Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I
actually had heroes. If the name is not familiar, he's the guy who wrote
SpinRite.

 

http://twit.tv/sn

http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

 

Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology |
Crane Aerospace & Electronics

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

 

http://xkcd.com/936/#  


 

Yet, very pertinent.

 

 

 

 

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RE: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Steven M. Caesare]

C'mon... you know NanoProbes(!) are Teh Bomb!

 

-sc

 

From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

 

Steve Gibson?  Seriously?


 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/wmf_fud_from_grc/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/25/steve_gibson_really_is_off/

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/12/security_geek_developing_winxp_r
aw/

http://www.myharddrivedied.com/blog/why-spinrite-not-my-data-recovery-so
ftware-list

 

http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/

 

http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/

 


 - WJR



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:05, Hilderbrand, Doug
 wrote:

Find and listen to Steve Gibson's explanation of his password haystacks
concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he's spot on. Password
length wins over complexity. Put both together and there's not enough
petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.

 

Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp and udp
protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types, but I
find the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives
blow-by-blow explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and
Adobe keep being the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too.
Definitely look up his "portable dog killer" and Vitamin D episodes.
SPCA note: no animals were harmed in the portable dog killer episode.

 

Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I actually had
heroes. If the name is not familiar, he's the guy who wrote SpinRite.

 

http://twit.tv/sn

http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

 

Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
Aerospace & Electronics

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

 

http://xkcd.com/936/#  


 

Yet, very pertinent.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Why not failwords?

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
 wrote:
> Why hasn’t anyone implemented fail words?

  These are called "duress codes" and are commonly assigned for things
like security alarms, locks (like your bank vault), etc.  The key
aspect of a duress code is that *it appears to succeed like the normal
code would*.  It notifies responders without alerting the
point-of-use.  They're intended to protect the person under duress.
If the duress code refused entry (or acted like bad password, etc.),
the attacker could harm the person under duress.  If all the person
under duress cares about is protecting the asset, they just refuse to
enter any code and take the knife to the guts.

  Looking for common words as a trap against untargeted attacks is
adds nothing; you should already be implementing lockout after a few
failed attempts.

  Stop listening to GRC.  While he's not a complete idiot, he's often
misinformed, and Can't!  Talk!  About!  Anything!  Like!  It's!  Not!
The!  Most!  Amazing!  Thing!  Ever!, even if what he's just
"discovered" or "invented" has been well-known for decades.

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O day Malware cleaning with Sysinternals Presentation from Blackhat

[Ziots, Edward]

http://download.sysinternals.com/Files/SysinternalsMalwareCleaning.pdf

 

I would assume this would be good for anyones toolkit for malware removal. 

 

Z

 

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CISSP, Network +, Security +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 


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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
 wrote:
> Steve Gibson is one of my heroes.

  IMNSO: Steve Gibson is a blowhard who doesn't know half as much as
he thinks he does.  SpinRite may or may not have been useful back when
hard drives were steam powered, but it does nothing to justify it's
price tag in the modern age.

-- Ben

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RE: Why not failwords?

[Hilderbrand, Doug]

Half the stuff I do now every day *was* in the realm of science fiction.


 

 

Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
Aerospace & Electronics
Work: 425-743-8172 | Mobile: 425-835-DOUG(3684)

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why not failwords?

 

Until now, this concept has been the realm of science fiction and spy
movies.

Off-hand, I can't think of any reason not to do it either.  I would love
to see it implemented in modern OSes, and critical business apps.


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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug
 wrote:

I was just reading all those emails about making hard to crack passwords
(Almost but not quite OT: Passwords). I like Steve Gibson's analysis of
why long passwords are harder to brute force crack than shorter complex
ones. But, I wonder...

 

Why hasn't anyone implemented fail words? Two or more passwords
associated with your account or whatever. One you use for normal access
and is as hard to crack as you can make it and still be memorable. Then
another password that would be easy(er) to crack that triggers some
event? Here are a few scenarios I can think of off the top of my head:

 

[] Bank manager forced to open the vault at gunpoint. Use the failword.
Opens the vault and rings the silent alarm.

[] Someone tries to login to your PayPal or bank account and tries your
failword. They get the usual bad password result, but you get a text
message on your cell phone.

[] Someone tries to unlock your iPhone. They try the failword and it
gets locked until you send it a special email or text or 24 hours
expire, etc. 

 

Is there some reason this is a bad idea? I can't think of any...

 

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Aerospace & Electronics

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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Jonathan Link]

I was waiting for someone else to step up.  Glad to see I'm not
disappointed.



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:39 PM, William Robbins wrote:

> Steve Gibson?  Seriously?
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/wmf_fud_from_grc/
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/25/steve_gibson_really_is_off/
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/12/security_geek_developing_winxp_raw/
>
> http://www.myharddrivedied.com/blog/why-spinrite-not-my-data-recovery-software-list
>
> http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/
>
> http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/
>
>
>  - WJR
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:05, Hilderbrand, Doug <
> doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:
>
>> Find and listen to Steve Gibson’s explanation of his password haystacks
>> concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he’s spot on. Password
>> length wins over complexity. Put both together and there’s not enough
>> petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
>> couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp and udp
>> protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types, but I find
>> the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives blow-by-blow
>> explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and Adobe keep being
>> the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too. Definitely look up his
>> “portable dog killer” and Vitamin D episodes. SPCA note: no animals were
>> harmed in the portable dog killer episode.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I actually had
>> heroes. If the name is not familiar, he’s the guy who wrote SpinRite.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> http://twit.tv/sn
>>
>> http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
>> Aerospace & Electronics
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> http://xkcd.com/936/# 
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Yet, very pertinent.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *ASB*
>>
>> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>>
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>>
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Re: Why not failwords?

[Andrew S. Baker]

Until now, this concept has been the realm of science fiction and spy
movies.

Off-hand, I can't think of any reason not to do it either.  I would love to
see it implemented in modern OSes, and critical business apps.

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug <
doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:

> I was just reading all those emails about making hard to crack passwords
> (Almost but not quite OT: Passwords). I like Steve Gibson’s analysis of why
> long passwords are harder to brute force crack than shorter complex ones.
> But, I wonder…
>
> ** **
>
> Why hasn’t anyone implemented fail words? Two or more passwords associated
> with your account or whatever. One you use for normal access and is as hard
> to crack as you can make it and still be memorable. Then another password
> that would be easy(er) to crack that triggers some event? Here are a few
> scenarios I can think of off the top of my head:
>
> ** **
>
> [] Bank manager forced to open the vault at gunpoint. Use the failword.
> Opens the vault and rings the silent alarm.
>
> [] Someone tries to login to your PayPal or bank account and tries your
> failword. They get the usual bad password result, but you get a text message
> on your cell phone.
>
> [] Someone tries to unlock your iPhone. They try the failword and it gets
> locked until you send it a special email or text or 24 hours expire, etc.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Is there some reason this is a bad idea? I can’t think of any…
>
> ** **
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
>

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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[William Robbins]

Steve Gibson?  Seriously?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/21/wmf_fud_from_grc/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/25/steve_gibson_really_is_off/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/12/security_geek_developing_winxp_raw/
http://www.myharddrivedied.com/blog/why-spinrite-not-my-data-recovery-software-list

http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/steve_gibson/

http://allthatiswrong.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/steve-gibson-is-a-fraud/


 - WJR


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 12:05, Hilderbrand, Doug <
doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:

> Find and listen to Steve Gibson’s explanation of his password haystacks
> concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he’s spot on. Password
> length wins over complexity. Put both together and there’s not enough
> petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.
>
> ** **
>
> Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
> couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp and udp
> protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types, but I find
> the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives blow-by-blow
> explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and Adobe keep being
> the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too. Definitely look up his
> “portable dog killer” and Vitamin D episodes. SPCA note: no animals were
> harmed in the portable dog killer episode.
>
> ** **
>
> Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I actually had
> heroes. If the name is not familiar, he’s the guy who wrote SpinRite.
>
> ** **
>
> http://twit.tv/sn
>
> http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
> ** **
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>
> ** **
>
> http://xkcd.com/936/# 
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Yet, very pertinent.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
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>
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Re: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Andrew S. Baker]

This would be great if brute force was the only way to break into a system.

It's a good part of the overall security puzzle, but not the whole story.

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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug <
doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:

> Find and listen to Steve Gibson’s explanation of his password haystacks
> concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he’s spot on. Password
> length wins over complexity. Put both together and there’s not enough
> petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.
>
> ** **
>
> Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
> couple have focused on how the internet works IP packets, tcp and udp
> protocols and such which is pretty old hat for us admin types, but I find
> the information Steve gives out to be fascinating. He gives blow-by-blow
> explanations of hacks in the news, recent patches (MS and Adobe keep being
> the top topics) plus other stuff creeps in too. Definitely look up his
> “portable dog killer” and Vitamin D episodes. SPCA note: no animals were
> harmed in the portable dog killer episode.
>
> ** **
>
> Steve Gibson is one of my heroes. Sigh. Or would be if I actually had
> heroes. If the name is not familiar, he’s the guy who wrote SpinRite.
>
> ** **
>
> http://twit.tv/sn
>
> http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm
>
> ** **
>
> Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
> Aerospace & Electronics
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords
>
> ** **
>
> http://xkcd.com/936/# 
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Yet, very pertinent.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *ASB*
>
> *http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker*
>
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*
>
>
> **
>

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Re: Why not failwords?

[Erik Goldoff]

recent TV news story here about implementing 911 PINs for ATMs, similar to
what you suggest for failwords

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Hilderbrand, Doug <
doug.hilderbr...@craneaerospace.com> wrote:

>  I was just reading all those emails about making hard to crack passwords
> (Almost but not quite OT: Passwords). I like Steve Gibson’s analysis of why
> long passwords are harder to brute force crack than shorter complex ones.
> But, I wonder…
>
> ** **
>
> Why hasn’t anyone implemented fail words? Two or more passwords associated
> with your account or whatever. One you use for normal access and is as hard
> to crack as you can make it and still be memorable. Then another password
> that would be easy(er) to crack that triggers some event? Here are a few
> scenarios I can think of off the top of my head:
>
> ** **
>
> [] Bank manager forced to open the vault at gunpoint. Use the failword.
> Opens the vault and rings the silent alarm.
>
> [] Someone tries to login to your PayPal or bank account and tries your
> failword. They get the usual bad password result, but you get a text message
> on your cell phone.
>
> [] Someone tries to unlock your iPhone. They try the failword and it gets
> locked until you send it a special email or text or 24 hours expire, etc.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Is there some reason this is a bad idea? I can’t think of any…
>
> ** **
>
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RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

[Steven M. Caesare]

The tool doesn't have to make the choices for you. Simply present the
choices. Present the folder hierarchy and allow the user to select the
(sub) folder where he wants to make the changes and grab the properties.

 

ACL's prevent you from making changes where you don't have perms.

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 1:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

GPOs can be linked at multiple places - but by default only Domain
Admins can do this - they have visibility of the entire AD

 

Anyone can stick a web.config file in their folder - IIS7 natively has a
distributed administration model (unlike IIS6 - where you needed to be
an admin to do things). So anyone with a hosting company can upload a
web.config to their root folder. And they can sub-delegate to other
people who can put a web.config in their subfolders. And so on, ad
infinitum. 

 

So, when editing the settings for /Default Web Site/AppRoot/SubFolder
where should the settings be saved? applicationHost.config? the
web.Config in the website root? The web.Config in AppRoot folder? Or the
web.config in SubFolder? This all depends on who is doing the editing,
and what their intent was. There is no simple answer to this question.

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 8:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

Yeah, still not impossible.

 

Have  "scope" selector that decides if the address restrictions (or
whichever parameter is in question) apply to the local page, the entire
site, etc... and then have the GUI tool default to making changes in a
sensible location that work by default.

 

If somebody wants to go add/change afterward via command line, so be it.

 

Heck, GPO settings can be in a zillion different objects linked in at
various places in the OU hierarchy, but there are tools to aggregate the
RSOP so you can see it, and then decide where you want to change it...

 

I feel that allowing CLI/scriptable editing of configuration data is a
valuable step forward. At the same time I feel that also removing
configuration tools (especially that allow "discovery") is a needless
step backwards.

 

That having been said, thanks for the pointer to the editor. :-)

 

-sc

 

From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

The main issue is:

a)  IIS6 - used one metabase for all sites/applications/folders etc

b)  IIS7 used a hierarchical set of config files - you can have a
config file in every directory, plus you can define arbitrary locations
(via ) in higher up files. So, the actual setting
needs to be the aggregated total of all these settings in an unknown
number of files. Not to say this can't be managed in the GUI - it's just
more difficult (e.g. where should the changes be committed to -
applicationHost.config via ? Create a new web.config in the
local directory?)

 

That said, there is an optional config editor add-in you can download
from ww.iis.net website

 

Cheers

Ken

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

I'd suggest the two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

Many a management GUI has just been shoving data to and from the
registry for years now. This need be no different if the configuration
container is an XML based config file instead.

 

-sc

 

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

 

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 08:13, John Hornbuckle
 wrote:
> Good heavens. That's progress?

Yes, absolutely.


> The IIS team must've taken tips from the Exchange team on removing
previous
> GUI features and making users work more with config files and command
> prompts.

That's a good thing. GUIs are terribly limiting, and don't usually
allow automation, revision control, etc.



Kurt

 

99% of people using IIS will not need or use several of the more
esoteric features either so getting them out of the GUI reduces
opertunity for people to break their installs in weird ways.

 

Steven Peck

http://www.blkmtn.org

 

 

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RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

[Ken Schaefer]

Yes - you want the Administration Pack: 
http://www.iis.net/download/AdministrationPack

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 11:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

Am I looking in the right place?

www.iis.net/download/All


John


From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

The main issue is:

a)  IIS6 - used one metabase for all sites/applications/folders etc

b)  IIS7 used a hierarchical set of config files - you can have a config 
file in every directory, plus you can define arbitrary locations (via 
) in higher up files. So, the actual setting needs to be 
the aggregated total of all these settings in an unknown number of files. Not 
to say this can't be managed in the GUI - it's just more difficult (e.g. where 
should the changes be committed to - applicationHost.config via ? 
Create a new web.config in the local directory?)

That said, there is an optional config editor add-in you can download from 
ww.iis.net website

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

I'd suggest the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Many a management GUI has just been shoving data to and from the registry for 
years now. This need be no different if the configuration container is an XML 
based config file instead.

-sc

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 08:13, John Hornbuckle
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
> Good heavens. That's progress?
Yes, absolutely.

> The IIS team must've taken tips from the Exchange team on removing previous
> GUI features and making users work more with config files and command
> prompts.

That's a good thing. GUIs are terribly limiting, and don't usually
allow automation, revision control, etc.



Kurt


99% of people using IIS will not need or use several of the more esoteric 
features either so getting them out of the GUI reduces opertunity for people to 
break their installs in weird ways.

Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org



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RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

[Ken Schaefer]

GPOs can be linked at multiple places - but by default only Domain Admins can 
do this - they have visibility of the entire AD

Anyone can stick a web.config file in their folder - IIS7 natively has a 
distributed administration model (unlike IIS6 - where you needed to be an admin 
to do things). So anyone with a hosting company can upload a web.config to 
their root folder. And they can sub-delegate to other people who can put a 
web.config in their subfolders. And so on, ad infinitum.

So, when editing the settings for /Default Web Site/AppRoot/SubFolder where 
should the settings be saved? applicationHost.config? the web.Config in the 
website root? The web.Config in AppRoot folder? Or the web.config in SubFolder? 
This all depends on who is doing the editing, and what their intent was. There 
is no simple answer to this question.

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 8:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

Yeah, still not impossible.

Have  "scope" selector that decides if the address restrictions (or whichever 
parameter is in question) apply to the local page, the entire site, etc... and 
then have the GUI tool default to making changes in a sensible location that 
work by default.

If somebody wants to go add/change afterward via command line, so be it.

Heck, GPO settings can be in a zillion different objects linked in at various 
places in the OU hierarchy, but there are tools to aggregate the RSOP so you 
can see it, and then decide where you want to change it...

I feel that allowing CLI/scriptable editing of configuration data is a valuable 
step forward. At the same time I feel that also removing configuration tools 
(especially that allow "discovery") is a needless step backwards.

That having been said, thanks for the pointer to the editor. :)

-sc

From: Ken Schaefer 
[mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

The main issue is:

a)  IIS6 - used one metabase for all sites/applications/folders etc

b)  IIS7 used a hierarchical set of config files - you can have a config 
file in every directory, plus you can define arbitrary locations (via 
) in higher up files. So, the actual setting needs to be 
the aggregated total of all these settings in an unknown number of files. Not 
to say this can't be managed in the GUI - it's just more difficult (e.g. where 
should the changes be committed to - applicationHost.config via ? 
Create a new web.config in the local directory?)

That said, there is an optional config editor add-in you can download from 
ww.iis.net website

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

I'd suggest the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Many a management GUI has just been shoving data to and from the registry for 
years now. This need be no different if the configuration container is an XML 
based config file instead.

-sc

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 08:13, John Hornbuckle
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
> Good heavens. That's progress?
Yes, absolutely.

> The IIS team must've taken tips from the Exchange team on removing previous
> GUI features and making users work more with config files and command
> prompts.

That's a good thing. GUIs are terribly limiting, and don't usually
allow automation, revision control, etc.



Kurt


99% of people using IIS will not need or use several of the more esoteric 
features either so getting them out of the GUI reduces opertunity for people to 
break their installs in weird ways.

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RE: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?

[Paul Hutchings]

Thanks Tim.  I've just purchased a 3 user license to trial with some users, 
myself included.

It's a learning curve for me because generating PDF's isn't something I'm 
usually involved in, so I have as much to learn and gain as anyone else.

I take the point about the interface, but I suspect that's familiarity, and in 
our case I don't think we're looking to replace our PDF reader product, only 
the creation side.

The good thing is I had some questions and emailed support and got a reply 
quickly, and that addressed my question(s) - prompt and not scripted which is 
encouraging.

I'll get some people using it in anger and see how it performs over the next 
few weeks.

From: Tim Evans [tev...@sparling.com]
Sent: 18 August 2011 4:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?

We use it here. It's a good product. I personally have no complaints with it. 
We've run into basically two issues with it, neither insurmountable:

· Incompatibility with new Adobe PDF features
It seems like Adobe, in their attempt to keep their lead in the software 
vulnerability department, keeps adding features to the PDF format. The most 
recent that I'm aware of is the ability to package multiple documents into a 
single PDF file. When you open one of these in a non-Acrobat reader, all you 
see is a page saying that you need Adobe reader to view this document. 
PDFXchange was about 6 months behind in releasing version that could deal with 
these files. Now, we have a training issue in telling people that they don't 
need Acrobat and showing them how to access the enclosed files. It's not 
difficult, just not immediately obvious to the normal user.
We also had issues for a while with an inability to fill out Acrobat generated 
forms. Their support was very good to work with on this, and they came out with 
an update that fixed it about 3 months after we sent them samples of the 
problematic files.

· Interface Differences
The interface is very different from the standard Acrobat interface. We get a 
lot of push back from people that are used to Acrobat about how much more work 
it is to use. IME, once we sit down with people and show them how to use it, 
there are no complaints. The problem is usually that they are too busy to 
bother to learn (or be shown) the different interface.

HTH

…Tim

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?

We currently use Adobe Acrobat Standard or Pro to create anything other than 
basic PDF's.

Acrobat isn't cheap, each new version of Windows and Office seems to break 
something unless you're running the latest version, and it's overkill for 
creating PDFs from Word documents or inserting/deleting the odd page from a PDF 
and perhaps adding a few stamps and saving it with some document security.

A couple of people have recommended PDF-XChange which I hadn't heard of until 
today.

I'll download the demo's and give them a try, but does anyone have any 
first-hand feedback on their products?

Thanks,
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RE: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

[Hilderbrand, Doug]

Find and listen to Steve Gibson's explanation of his password haystacks
concept which this cartoon was based on. I think he's spot on. Password
length wins over complexity. Put both together and there's not enough
petaflops in the universe to crack the password. My opinion, YMMV.

 

Steve Gibson and Leo Laporte do a weekly podcast on security. The last
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Definitely look up his "portable dog killer" and Vitamin D episodes.
SPCA note: no animals were harmed in the portable dog killer episode.

 

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http://twit.tv/sn

http://www.grc.com/securitynow.htm

 

Doug Hilderbrand | Systems Analyst, Information Technology | Crane
Aerospace & Electronics

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Almost, but not quite OT: Passwords

 

http://xkcd.com/936/#  


 

Yet, very pertinent.

 

 

 

 

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RE: Need a free ping monitor with email notification for a handful of devices

[Crawford, Scott]

Ok, here's an improved version that checks for failed pings as well and cleans 
up the output. Usage is the same as before. Again, watch for wrapping, there 
should be 14 lines.

---PingResponse.bat---
@echo off
:top
set PingResponse=PingFailed
for /f "delims=mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Need a free ping monitor with email notification for a handful of 
devices

Cheap and dirty, but might do the trick.
Usage is:
PingResponse IP AcceptableTime

For example, PingResponse google.com 10 would repeatedly ping google and if it 
was ever over 10 milliseconds, blat will email you.  Note that there's only 5 
lines so watch wrapping. Also, this will not message you when ping returns a 
request time out so if 5 seconds is too short, you modify the ping command in 
line 2 with -w to change the timeout.

---PingResponse.bat---
:top
for /f "delims=m=; tokens=5" %%i in ('ping %1 -n 1^|find "Reply"') do set /A 
PingResponse=%%i
if %PingResponse% LSS %2 goto top
blat - -body "Ping response was %PingResponse% milliseconds." -server 
mailserver.com -f m...@self.com -subject "Ping was too 
long" -to m...@self.com
goto top
---PingResponse.bat---

From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:38 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Need a free ping monitor with email notification for a handful of 
devices

Thanks, but it doesn't look like Servers Alive will do what I need. 
Essentially, I need a continuous ping:

Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=245
Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=245
Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=245
Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=245
Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=245
Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=245
Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=19ms TTL=245
Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=245
Reply from 10.10.10.10: bytes=32 time=15ms TTL=245

and send an alert to one or more configurable email addresses if time >= x ms 
for more than y pings, where x and y would be configurable by me.

>From an up/down perspective, servers alive would be fine, but I need to be 
>able to tell what the link latency is between two endpoints. Anything more 
>than 90 ms could be problematic for me...

Jonathan
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Stephen Wimberly 
mailto:riverside...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Servers Alive used to monitor 10 for free

http://www.woodstone.nu/salive/features.php

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RE: Need a free ping monitor with email notification for a handful of devices

[Michael B. Smith]

Yes. I use polymon EXTENSIVELY.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Need a free ping monitor with email notification for a handful of 
devices

It's been awhile since I tried it but I wonder if polymon still works
http://polymon.codeplex.com/



On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Tobie Fysh 
mailto:tobie.f...@freebridge.org.uk>> wrote:
Servers Alive?

www.woodstone.nu


From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 August 2011 20:49
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Need a free ping monitor with email notification for a handful of 
devices

Hi all,

I'm looking for more than a simple up/down notification.

I've googled, and the only things I've found are some payware apps of 
questionable origin, complete network monitoring packages, or apps that are not 
quite enough for my present needs. I need something for a short duration, so a 
30 day trial would suffice, possibly, but I don't need/want a full blown 
monitoring suite. I only need to monitor 2-5 devices, initially, from an older 
server running Windows 2000 Server.

I'm looking for a utility to simply monitor the response time to a couple of 
devices from one server and then email me if the response time goes above a set 
threshold for a set amount of time. I would ultimately want to do this for up 
to around a dozen devices. Right now I only have a need for monitoring 2-5 
devices.

Got any ideas?

Thanks,
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Re: Taking ownership of a file at login

[James Rankin]

I think you may have hit the nail on the head there. I will run a little
test

On 18 August 2011 16:13, Crawford, Scott  wrote:

>  Take Ownership is not the same as Give Ownership
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:05 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Taking ownership of a file at login
>
> ** **
>
> I thought Full Control encompassed RWXDPO (where P was Change Permissions
> and O was Take Ownership)? Have things changed since NT4? :-)
>
> The user isn't an admin, so if that's right, therein lies my issue.
>
>  On 18 August 2011 15:51, Ben Scott  wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 AM, James Rankin 
> wrote:
> > I need to change the ownership of a file from that of the logged-in user
> to
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>
>  Is said logged-in user an admin?  Only administrators can change the
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RE: Taking ownership of a file at login

[Crawford, Scott]

Take Ownership is not the same as Give Ownership

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:05 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Taking ownership of a file at login

I thought Full Control encompassed RWXDPO (where P was Change Permissions and O 
was Take Ownership)? Have things changed since NT4? :-)

The user isn't an admin, so if that's right, therein lies my issue.
On 18 August 2011 15:51, Ben Scott 
mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 AM, James Rankin 
mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> I need to change the ownership of a file from that of the logged-in user to
> BUILTIN\Administrators during login.
 Is said logged-in user an admin?  Only administrators can change the
ownership of a file.   permission is not sufficient.

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RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

[John Hornbuckle]

Am I looking in the right place?

www.iis.net/download/All


John


From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 11:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

The main issue is:

a)  IIS6 - used one metabase for all sites/applications/folders etc

b)  IIS7 used a hierarchical set of config files - you can have a config 
file in every directory, plus you can define arbitrary locations (via 
) in higher up files. So, the actual setting needs to be 
the aggregated total of all these settings in an unknown number of files. Not 
to say this can't be managed in the GUI - it's just more difficult (e.g. where 
should the changes be committed to - applicationHost.config via ? 
Create a new web.config in the local directory?)

That said, there is an optional config editor add-in you can download from 
ww.iis.net website

Cheers
Ken

From: Steven M. Caesare 
[mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 10:41 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

I'd suggest the two aren't mutually exclusive.

Many a management GUI has just been shoving data to and from the registry for 
years now. This need be no different if the configuration container is an XML 
based config file instead.

-sc

From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Using IP address restrictions in IIS 7

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 08:13, John Hornbuckle
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
> Good heavens. That's progress?
Yes, absolutely.

> The IIS team must've taken tips from the Exchange team on removing previous
> GUI features and making users work more with config files and command
> prompts.

That's a good thing. GUIs are terribly limiting, and don't usually
allow automation, revision control, etc.



Kurt


99% of people using IIS will not need or use several of the more esoteric 
features either so getting them out of the GUI reduces opertunity for people to 
break their installs in weird ways.

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Re: Taking ownership of a file at login

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:04 AM, James Rankin  wrote:
> I thought Full Control encompassed RWXDPO (where P was Change Permissions
> and O was Take Ownership)? Have things changed since NT4? :-)

  Hmmm... you may be right.  I know there's an OS right for "take
ownership", but maybe that's only sufficient and not necessary.  If
so, it may be a question of which API a given utility is using.  If
so, try other utilities.  ICACLS has an ownership knob, IIRC, and I
know FILEACL does.

-- Ben

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RE: Forensics

[Ziots, Edward]

That is a good one but Helix is one of the good ones. Works on .NIX and
Windows. 

http://www.e-fense.com/helix3pro.php

 

Z

 

 

Edward E. Ziots

CISSP, Network +, Security +

Security Engineer

Lifespan Organization

Email:ezi...@lifespan.org

Cell:401-639-3505

 

 

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Forensics

 

Interesting... just ran across a reference for this on another list:

 

http://www.sleuthkit.org/sleuthkit/desc.php

 

Works for Windows and UNIX boxen...

 

Haven't used it yet, but provided for your entertainment.

 

-sc

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RE: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?

[Tim Evans]

We use it here. It's a good product. I personally have no complaints with it. 
We've run into basically two issues with it, neither insurmountable:

* Incompatibility with new Adobe PDF features
It seems like Adobe, in their attempt to keep their lead in the software 
vulnerability department, keeps adding features to the PDF format. The most 
recent that I'm aware of is the ability to package multiple documents into a 
single PDF file. When you open one of these in a non-Acrobat reader, all you 
see is a page saying that you need Adobe reader to view this document. 
PDFXchange was about 6 months behind in releasing version that could deal with 
these files. Now, we have a training issue in telling people that they don't 
need Acrobat and showing them how to access the enclosed files. It's not 
difficult, just not immediately obvious to the normal user.
We also had issues for a while with an inability to fill out Acrobat generated 
forms. Their support was very good to work with on this, and they came out with 
an update that fixed it about 3 months after we sent them samples of the 
problematic files.

* Interface Differences
The interface is very different from the standard Acrobat interface. We get a 
lot of push back from people that are used to Acrobat about how much more work 
it is to use. IME, once we sit down with people and show them how to use it, 
there are no complaints. The problem is usually that they are too busy to 
bother to learn (or be shown) the different interface.

HTH

...Tim

From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Acrobat Alternatives - PDF-XChange?

We currently use Adobe Acrobat Standard or Pro to create anything other than 
basic PDF's.

Acrobat isn't cheap, each new version of Windows and Office seems to break 
something unless you're running the latest version, and it's overkill for 
creating PDFs from Word documents or inserting/deleting the odd page from a PDF 
and perhaps adding a few stamps and saving it with some document security.

A couple of people have recommended PDF-XChange which I hadn't heard of until 
today.

I'll download the demo's and give them a try, but does anyone have any 
first-hand feedback on their products?

Thanks,
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Re: Taking ownership of a file at login

[James Rankin]

I thought Full Control encompassed RWXDPO (where P was Change Permissions
and O was Take Ownership)? Have things changed since NT4? :-)

The user isn't an admin, so if that's right, therein lies my issue.

On 18 August 2011 15:51, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 AM, James Rankin 
> wrote:
> > I need to change the ownership of a file from that of the logged-in user
> to
> > BUILTIN\Administrators during login.
>
>   Is said logged-in user an admin?  Only administrators can change the
> ownership of a file.   permission is not sufficient.
>
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Re: Taking ownership of a file at login

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:29 AM, James Rankin  wrote:
> I need to change the ownership of a file from that of the logged-in user to
> BUILTIN\Administrators during login.

  Is said logged-in user an admin?  Only administrators can change the
ownership of a file.   permission is not sufficient.

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RE: Need a free ping monitor with email notification for a handful of devices

[Tobie Fysh]

Servers Alive?

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From: Jonathan [mailto:ncm...@gmail.com]
Sent: 17 August 2011 20:49
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Need a free ping monitor with email notification for a handful of 
devices

Hi all,

I'm looking for more than a simple up/down notification.

I've googled, and the only things I've found are some payware apps of 
questionable origin, complete network monitoring packages, or apps that are not 
quite enough for my present needs. I need something for a short duration, so a 
30 day trial would suffice, possibly, but I don't need/want a full blown 
monitoring suite. I only need to monitor 2-5 devices, initially, from an older 
server running Windows 2000 Server.

I'm looking for a utility to simply monitor the response time to a couple of 
devices from one server and then email me if the response time goes above a set 
threshold for a set amount of time. I would ultimately want to do this for up 
to around a dozen devices. Right now I only have a need for monitoring 2-5 
devices.

Got any ideas?

Thanks,
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Jonathan, A+, MCSA, MCSE

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Re: Taking ownership of a file at login

[James Rankin]

Forgot to mention this is on Windows 2008 R2. Actually when trying to change
ownership via the GUI, I am getting a UAC prompt. But I already have Full
Control of the file?

On 18 August 2011 15:29, James Rankin  wrote:

> I need to change the ownership of a file from that of the logged-in user to
> BUILTIN\Administrators during login. Unfortunately when I try to do it using
> *subinacl* with the */setowner* switch, it tells me *access denied*. The
> user has Full Control permissions to the file and is the current owner, so
> why can't I change the permissions? Or is there an easier way to do this
> rather than using *subinacl*?
>
> TIA,
>
>
>
>
> JRR
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Taking ownership of a file at login

[James Rankin]

I need to change the ownership of a file from that of the logged-in user to
BUILTIN\Administrators during login. Unfortunately when I try to do it using
*subinacl* with the */setowner* switch, it tells me *access denied*. The
user has Full Control permissions to the file and is the current owner, so
why can't I change the permissions? Or is there an easier way to do this
rather than using *subinacl*?

TIA,




JRR

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RE: find duplicate files

[Ben Serebin]

Hello Bill,

Sorry for the delay (but this list generates a lot of email). The 
developer of FolderSizes has a great tool called Duplicate File Detective and 
he has it in 64 bit & multi-threaded and supports removing dups as well. It's 
very feature rich. FolderSizes rocks as well. Far faster than an open-source 
WinDirStat.

http://www.duplicate-file-detective.com/

-Ben

-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:48 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: find duplicate files

Hi all,

Any suggestions for a tool that I could use to search for duplicate files on a 
20tb Xsan?  Although it primarily has Macs attached to it, I do have one 
windows machine.

Thanks.

Bill

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RE: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

[Guyer, Don]

LOL!

At a previous gig, we were replacing old LJs with newer printers and the
Accounting Dept outright refused to give up their LJ II (or III, can't
quite remember).

I couldn't argue, it was a friggin' workhorse...

Don Guyer
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RIM Operations Engineering Distributed - A Team, Tier 2
Enterprise Technology Group
Fiserv
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: [OT] The infection continues to spread (HP)

On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Steven M. Caesare
 wrote:
> A moment of silence to mourn what has become of the company that used 
> to make the LaserJet4 and my trusty DesignJet550C

  Seriously.  The T790 is replacing a DesignJet 750C which was old
enough to vote, and had simply worn away too many parts that aren't made
any more.

  I had a customer who had a LaserJet II in service as of a few years
ago, and prolly still does.  I expect it would still work after a
nuclear war; the cockroaches will have something to print with.

-- Ben

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