date:20121121

RE: Microsoft's instant messaging direction

2012-11-21 Thread Tobie Fysh

In Lync 2013 you will be able to federate with Skype.

I believe Yammer is being merged into the SharePoint team. 

Tobie

Sent from my Windows Phone

-Original Message-
From: "James Hill" 
Sent: ‎22/‎11/‎2012 06:29
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Microsoft's instant messaging direction

Does anyone know where Microsoft is going with instant messaging?
 
Right now they have Windows Live Messenger(which can send and receive Facebook 
messages), Skype, Yammer and Lync.
 
Skype is replacing Live Messenger early next year.  But what is happening with 
Lync and Yammer?  Being able to federate Lync with Skype has been a long time 
request from my users.
 
Anyone know the inside scoop?
 
James.
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Tim Evans

Mark Minasi has a good one in his latest newsletter:
http://www.minasi.com/newsletters/nws1211.htm

...Tim

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Here are 2 reviews that I'm currently perusing through:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2012830/windows-8-the-official-review.html

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/windows-8-review/

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
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From: Stefan Jafs 
[mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to browse 
the installed Applications, can't that be done?

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of the 
app.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but 
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button? Bing 
gives me now aswers.

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to be 
shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 
| Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
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From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI), you 
practically run in desktop

Re: OT: RE: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread Kurt Buff

Correct. Which makes it even funnier...

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> He said what.  Not who.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Webster  wrote:
>>
>> We’ll let you know after the paternity tests are back. J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
>> Subject: Re: OT: RE: AD Washout
>>
>>
>>
>> What'd I do?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
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>>
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RE: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!

2012-11-21 Thread James Hill

I was guessing that Remote Assistance would be the proposed alternative so
thanks for confirming it.

 

Sometimes the lack of reasoning provided by Microsoft is extremely
frustrating.  Us logical folk are usually happy with a change if we
understand (and somewhat agree with) why it was done.

 

James.

 

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 11:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!

 

Unfortunately Shadowing was removed.  Some people blame Citrix and some
blame MS but Citrix had nothing to do with the removal of Shadowing.  Citrix
is also forced to use Remote Assistance for both XenApp and XenDesktop.
There has been a lot of weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth about this
but MS hasnt changed anything.

 

If your users use multiple monitors, you cant use shadowing for that
scenario either.  MS says to use Remote Assistance.  With the wide spread
adoption of multiple monitor use in business, I dont understand the lack of
shadowing support for multiple monitors.  I am sure there is a technological
reason behind these decisions to drop Shadow support.  But with the
programming brain power that MS has available to them, I dont understand
why they cant solve this issue.

 

I am no longer a developer, and dont play one on TV, so I have no idea of
the challenges involved with providing Shadow support in multi monitor
scenarios or in Server 2012/Win8.

 

Thanks

 

 

Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com  

 

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com] 
Subject: RE: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!

 

Thanks Rene but Im referring to Remote Controlling a users remote desktop
session on a remote desktop session host.

 

James.

 

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com] 
Subject: Re: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!

 

>From what I read you need to enable it.

 

"Enabling Remote Desktop:

you need to log on as an administrator

open System in Control Panel

select the Remote tab

under Remote Desktop select the checkbox labeled "Allow users to connect
remotely to this computer."

 



 

Hth

René

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:06 AM, James Hill mailto:falc...@gmail.com> > wrote:

In the process of building my first Windows Server 2012 server with Remote
Desktop.

There is no Remote Control and a quick search says that this feature has
been removed!

Seriously?  Please someone tell me this isnt the case! 

I sure cant find the option anywhere.

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread James Hill

[1] Log on as an administrator, open task manager, make sure show all
processes is ticked and then on the users tab right click the user and
select log off.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 3:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

You would be correct if we were talking laptops or tablets for individual
users.

But I'm talking about labs of computers for students. Every 50 minutes, a
new set of users must come in and they expect to get to their files and
settings.

For this reason, the simple action of logging off needs to be simple.
Microsoft has chosen, in their infinite wisdom, to make this process
difficult. Maybe not difficult for you or I, but it's not obvious to the
layperson. Here are some possible scenarios:

1) Users don't log off. This causes either A) the session to be locked,
making it impossible to login[1] or B) let the next student see/screw with
the last user's data. Oh, I guess I could C) allow multiple log in sessions,
but this is not ideal.

2) Users share desktops. If you can't log off, just stay logged in!
Everybody can use the same desktop and home folder then. (Again, not ideal.)

It's not that I'm against Windows 8's DCIM interface. I'm not all that
thrilled by it, but I see where they are going. I see the benefit on
smaller, more mobile devices. (Which, oddly, Microsoft hasn't been focusing
on. Where is the 7" RT Tablet?) I am hopeful that Microsoft can make a few
changes that will make it much more friendly on both Touch and Desktop
interfaces.

But until they do, we won't be adopting it.

[1] As a side rant: Why can't Windows allow an administrator to force a
logoff of a locked account locally on a machine? This was possible in XP.
Starting with Vista, the only way an administrator could locally logoff a
locked machine was to force a power down.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Rod Trent
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012
06:43:44 -0800
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never 
> meant to be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are
moving beyond?
> 
>  
> 
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> "You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
> and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware 
> enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told 
> it to do (Power Settings)"
> 
>  
> 
> How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we 
> couldn't use the power button to turn a device off that now being able 
> to do so seems weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to 
> turn the Windows device off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just
one sentence can make.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates 
> instead of the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I 
> demonstrated to users that the Start Page is just where their Start 
> Button went to they were totally onboard. It is a total mind shift 
> (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you make that shift it 
> is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, what I was 
> told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once you 
> think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever 
> it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want 
> to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now 
> hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does 
> whatever you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some 
> environments where the power button is not accessible, but for the 
> majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast!
Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
> 
> Tim
> 
>  
> 
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in 
> our environment.
> 
>  
> 
> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Don Guyer
> Catholic Health East - Information Technology
> 
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging

RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Ken Schaefer

Since there's no hierarchy of folders anymore, what does a user do when there's 
three icons called "Uninstall" or "Help" that would normally be separated 
because they were under folders for App1, App2 and App3 on the start menu?

Cheers
Ken

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2012 5:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Hit the windows key and use your mouse to look through all Apps.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to browse 
the installed Applications, can't that be done?

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of the 
app.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but 
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button? Bing 
gives me now aswers.

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to be 
shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 
| Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI), you 
practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it 
as-is and learning new tricks?

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Re: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Stefan Jafs

Figured it out: drag from bottom on my Surface

Stefan

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Maglinger, Paul wrote:

>  “Previously, right-clicking an object on the desktop always brought up a
> context menu, giving you a choice of actions to take. In the Windows 8
> interface (but not the desktop), right-clicking now produces a bar at the
> bottom of the screen containing assorted context-sensitive items. It’s a
> jarring change, but the arrangement makes sense within the context (no pun
> intended) of a touch-based display such as a tablet’s.”
>
> ** **
>
> How do you right-click a touch-based display?
>
> ** **
>
> -Paul
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:50 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  ** **
>
> Perfect, I did not think about: "Right-click a blank area in the Start
> screen and then click the *All apps* icon at the lower right."
>
>  
>
> That's what I was looking for
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
> Stefan
>
>
>  
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Guyer, Don  wrote:
>
> Here are 2 reviews that I’m currently perusing through:
>
>  
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2012830/windows-8-the-official-review.html*
> ***
>
>  
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/windows-8-review/
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
> *Don Guyer**
> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>
> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>
> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
>
> *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.*
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]
>
>  
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to
> browse the installed Applications, can't that be done?
>
>  
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
> wrote:
>
> Hit the “Start” button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of
> the app.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well
> but working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start
> button? Bing gives me now aswers.
>
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
> be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?
> 
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> “You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you want to shut down and
> let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that
> you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)”
>
>  
>
> How enlightening! We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t
> use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
> seems weird. “What? I can use the device’s power button to turn the Windows
> device off? That’s CRAZY!”. Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can
> make…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007,
> but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being
> hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes
> perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your
> device (whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows
> that you want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is
> now hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does
> whatever you told it to do (Power Settings). This won’t work in some
> environments where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority
> of businesses it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going t

Re: OT: RE: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread Jonathan Link

He said what.  Not who.


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Webster  wrote:

>  We’ll let you know after the paternity tests are back. J
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
> *Subject:* Re: OT: RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> What'd I do?
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> 
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Maglinger, Paul

"Previously, right-clicking an object on the desktop always brought up a 
context menu, giving you a choice of actions to take. In the Windows 8 
interface (but not the desktop), right-clicking now produces a bar at the 
bottom of the screen containing assorted context-sensitive items. It's a 
jarring change, but the arrangement makes sense within the context (no pun 
intended) of a touch-based display such as a tablet's."

How do you right-click a touch-based display?

-Paul

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

Perfect, I did not think about: "Right-click a blank area in the Start screen 
and then click the All apps icon at the lower right."

That's what I was looking for

Thanks
Stefan


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Guyer, Don 
mailto:dgu...@che.org>> wrote:
Here are 2 reviews that I'm currently perusing through:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2012830/windows-8-the-official-review.html

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/windows-8-review/

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 
| Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to browse 
the installed Applications, can't that be done?

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of the 
app.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but 
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button? Bing 
gives me now aswers.

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to be 
shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.


From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Gu

RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Rod Trent

Hit the Windows key, type a single letter.  Apps is the first area to come
up.

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Hit the windows key and use your mouse to look through all Apps.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to
browse the installed Applications, can't that be done?

Stefan

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of
the app.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button?
Bing gives me now aswers.

Stefan

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let
it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you
just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems
weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device
off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make.

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but
once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard
to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect
sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your device
(whatever it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you
want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever
you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some environments
where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses
it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking
back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.

Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology

Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073

email: dgu...@che.org

Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440

For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.

Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
you practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it
as-is and learning new tricks? 

David Lum 
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Sam Cayze

So am I...

Painstakingly typed on my mobile phone. Please excuse any misspellings and
brevity.
On Nov 21, 2012 12:21 PM, "David Lum"  wrote:

>  I meant while the OS and apps are running.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:31 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
> ** **
>
> “We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t use the power
> button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird.”
>
> Since when?
>
> I’ve been in IT for 12 years, never recall not being able to use the power
> button… 
>
> I always hit the power button.  It’s the power button.
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> “You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you want to shut down and
> let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that
> you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)”
>
>  
>
> How enlightening! We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t
> use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
> seems weird. “What? I can use the device’s power button to turn the Windows
> device off? That’s CRAZY!”. Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can
> make…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007,
> but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being
> hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes
> perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your
> device (whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows
> that you want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is
> now hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does
> whatever you told it to do (Power Settings). This won’t work in some
> environments where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority
> of businesses it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep
> and waking back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
>
> Tim
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> J  I’m running all three – plus a desktop.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I’ve been tasked with kicking it around in our
> environment.
>
>  
>
> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
> *Don Guyer**
> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>
> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>
> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
>
> *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.*
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
> you practically run in desktop mode anyway.
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it
> as-is and learning new tricks? 
>
> *David Lum*
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
>  
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>
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RE: Free Windows 8?

2012-11-21 Thread Kim Longenbaugh

Roger, you should write a book with all those sayings you have in your 
signatures.  I'd buy a signed copy

From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Free Windows 8?

http://www.techspot.com/news/50875-loophole-enables-anyone-to-get-a-windows-8-license-for-free.html

Roger Wright
___
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Re: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Stefan Jafs

Perfect, I did not think about: "Right-click a blank area in the Start
screen and then click the *All apps* icon at the lower right."

That's what I was looking for

Thanks
Stefan


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Guyer, Don  wrote:

> Here are 2 reviews that I’m currently perusing through:
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2012830/windows-8-the-official-review.html*
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/windows-8-review/
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
> *Don Guyer**
> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>
> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>
> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
>
> *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.*
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
> ** **
>
> But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to
> browse the installed Applications, can't that be done?
>
>  
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
> wrote:
>
> Hit the “Start” button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of
> the app.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well
> but working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start
> button? Bing gives me now aswers.
>
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
> be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?
> 
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> “You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you want to shut down and
> let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that
> you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)”
>
>  
>
> How enlightening! We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t
> use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
> seems weird. “What? I can use the device’s power button to turn the Windows
> device off? That’s CRAZY!”. Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can
> make…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007,
> but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being
> hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes
> perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your
> device (whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows
> that you want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is
> now hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does
> whatever you told it to do (Power Settings). This won’t work in some
> environments where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority
> of businesses it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep
> and waking back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
>
> Tim
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> J  I’m running all three – plus a desktop.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I’ve been tasked with kicking it around in our
> environment.
>
>  
>
> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
> *Don Guyer**
> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>
> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>
>

RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Matthew W. Ross

I think what the problem is here is the default behavior of the ACPI shutdown 
(aka, what the computer does when the ATX/style power button is pressed.)

Windows, by default, shuts down the PC. You can change the behavior of what 
happens when you press the power button. It's in the control panel, search for 
"power button" and you'll find it.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Mike Hoffman
[mailto:m...@drumbrae.net]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012
10:18:03 -0800
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC


> They introduce something called an ATX power supply at about the same time
> as NT3.51. Before this the switch on the front was just mains (as was the
> cable on the back of it). You tend to learn quickly about power safety when
> fixing a PC with Mains in the case.
> 
> Mike
> 
> From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 21 November 2012 17:31
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
> "We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use the power button
> to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird."
> Since when?
> I've been in IT for 12 years, never recall not being able to use the power
> button...
> I always hit the power button.  It's the power button.
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
> 
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
> "You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let
> it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you
> just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)"
> 
> How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use
> the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems
> weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device
> off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...
> 
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but
> once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard
> to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect
> sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your device
> (whatever it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you
> want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
> hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever
> you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some environments
> where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses
> it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking
> back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
> Tim
> 
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
> :)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.
> 
> 
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our
> environment.
> 
> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Don Guyer
> Catholic Health East - Information Technology
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
> email: dgu...@che.org
> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell:
> 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
> For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
> [cid:image001.jpg@01CDC814.8BE934F0]
> 
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
> Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
> you practically run in desktop mode anyway.
> 
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Window 8 on your PC
> 
> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it
> as-is and learning new tricks?
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text)
> 503.267.9764
> 
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~

RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Michael B. Smith

Hit the windows key and use your mouse to look through all Apps.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to browse 
the installed Applications, can't that be done?

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of the 
app.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but 
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button? Bing 
gives me now aswers.

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to be 
shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 
| Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
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From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI), you 
practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it 
as-is and learning new tricks?
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Guyer, Don

Here are 2 reviews that I'm currently perusing through:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2012830/windows-8-the-official-review.html

http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/30/windows-8-review/

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDC7EC.6E500680]

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 1:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

But if you don't know the name of the Application and you would like to browse 
the installed Applications, can't that be done?

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of the 
app.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but 
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button? Bing 
gives me now aswers.

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to be 
shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.


From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 
| Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDC7EC.6E500680]

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI), you 
practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it 
as-is and learning new tricks?
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer

RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Mike Hoffman

They introduce something called an ATX power supply at about the same time as 
NT3.51. Before this the switch on the front was just mains (as was the cable on 
the back of it). You tend to learn quickly about power safety when fixing a PC 
with Mains in the case.

Mike

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 17:31
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use the power button to 
turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird."
Since when?
I've been in IT for 12 years, never recall not being able to use the power 
button...
I always hit the power button.  It's the power button.
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 
| Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CDC814.8BE934F0]

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI), you 
practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it 
as-is and learning new tricks?
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread David Lum

I meant while the OS and apps are running.

From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use the power button to 
turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird."
Since when?
I've been in IT for 12 years, never recall not being able to use the power 
button...
I always hit the power button.  It's the power button.
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 
| Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
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From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI), you 
practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it 
as-is and learning new tricks?
David Lum
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 
503.267.9764

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread David Mazzaccaro

 [1] As a side rant: Why can't Windows allow an administrator to
force a logoff of a locked account locally on a machine? This was
possible in XP. Starting with Vista, the only way an administrator could
locally logoff a locked machine was to force a power down.


I believe you have to logon as an admin, and then use task manager:
http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/133754-task-manager-users-log-off-loca
l-user.html





-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

You would be correct if we were talking laptops or tablets for
individual users.

But I'm talking about labs of computers for students. Every 50 minutes,
a new set of users must come in and they expect to get to their files
and settings.

For this reason, the simple action of logging off needs to be simple.
Microsoft has chosen, in their infinite wisdom, to make this process
difficult. Maybe not difficult for you or I, but it's not obvious to the
layperson. Here are some possible scenarios:

1) Users don't log off. This causes either A) the session to be locked,
making it impossible to login[1] or B) let the next student see/screw
with the last user's data. Oh, I guess I could C) allow multiple log in
sessions, but this is not ideal.

2) Users share desktops. If you can't log off, just stay logged in!
Everybody can use the same desktop and home folder then. (Again, not
ideal.)

It's not that I'm against Windows 8's DCIM interface. I'm not all that
thrilled by it, but I see where they are going. I see the benefit on
smaller, more mobile devices. (Which, oddly, Microsoft hasn't been
focusing on. Where is the 7" RT Tablet?) I am hopeful that Microsoft can
make a few changes that will make it much more friendly on both Touch
and Desktop interfaces.

But until they do, we won't be adopting it.

[1] As a side rant: Why can't Windows allow an administrator to force a
logoff of a locked account locally on a machine? This was possible in
XP. Starting with Vista, the only way an administrator could locally
logoff a locked machine was to force a power down.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Rod Trent
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012
06:43:44 -0800
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC


> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never
meant to
> be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving
beyond?
> 
>  
> 
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> "You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down
and let
> it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough
that you
> just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)"
> 
>  
> 
> How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we
couldn't use
> the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
seems
> weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows
device
> off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can
make.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates
instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users
that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were
totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office
2007, but
> once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being
hard
> to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes
perfect
> sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your
device
> (whatever it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that
you
> want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
> hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does
whatever
> you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some
environments
> where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of
businesses
> it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and
waking
> back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
> 
> Tim
> 
>  
> 
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Keep the Win 8 i

Re: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread James Rankin

I know thousands of users who very rarely use the keyboard. Especially for
starting apps. Having to learn to utilize it after 17 years is something of
a pain for those unaccustomed to it.


On 21 November 2012 17:03, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Hit the “Start” button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of
> the app.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Window 8 on your PC
>
> ** **
>
> OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well
> but working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start
> button? Bing gives me now aswers.
>
>
> Stefan
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> 
>
> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
> be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?
> 
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> “You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you want to shut down and
> let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that
> you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)”
>
>  
>
> How enlightening! We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t
> use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
> seems weird. “What? I can use the device’s power button to turn the Windows
> device off? That’s CRAZY!”. Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can
> make…
>
>  
>
> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007,
> but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being
> hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes
> perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your
> device (whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows
> that you want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is
> now hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does
> whatever you told it to do (Power Settings). This won’t work in some
> environments where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority
> of businesses it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep
> and waking back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
>
> Tim
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> J  I’m running all three – plus a desktop.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I’ve been tasked with kicking it around in our
> environment.
>
>  
>
> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
> *Don Guyer**
> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>
> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>
> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
>
> *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.*
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]
>
>  
>
> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
> you practically run in desktop mode anyway.
>
>  
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Window 8 on your PC
>
>  
>
> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it
> as-is and learning new tricks? 
>
> *David Lum*
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
>  
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ---
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Dan Bartley

Windows key sends you back to the "Metro" screen. There is no way other
than through the file system (still in same place) or one of the dozens
of 3rd party add ons that came out to add a start globe back in.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley




 

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:52
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

 

Hit the Windows key?

 

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Stefan Jafs 
wrote:

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well
but working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start
button? Bing gives me now aswers.


Stefan

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent 
wrote:

Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant
to be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving
beyond?

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and
let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough
that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do
(Power Settings)"

 

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't
use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
seems weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the
Windows device off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one
sentence can make...

 

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead
of the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to
users that the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they
were totally onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to
Office 2007, but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for
Shutdown being hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft
(and which makes perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the
power button on your device (whatever it might be). You no longer have
to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it handle
everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button
is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just
fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take
my machines on average 2 seconds.

Tim

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

 

 

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in
our environment.

 

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

 

Regards,

 

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology

Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073

email: dgu...@che.org

Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440

For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.

 

 

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

 

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern
UI), you practically run in desktop mode anyway.

 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

 

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving
it as-is and learning new tricks? 

David Lum 
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

 

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RE: OT: RE: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread Webster

We'll let you know after the paternity tests are back. :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: OT: RE: AD Washout

What'd I do?
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:


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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Rod Trent

Hit the "Start" button on the keyboard, and just start typing the name of
the app.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well but
working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start button?
Bing gives me now aswers.

Stefan

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let
it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you
just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems
weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device
off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make.

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but
once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard
to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect
sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your device
(whatever it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you
want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever
you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some environments
where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses
it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking
back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.

Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology

Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073

email: dgu...@che.org

Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440

For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.

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From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
you practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it
as-is and learning new tricks? 

David Lum 
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Matthew W. Ross

You would be correct if we were talking laptops or tablets for individual users.

But I'm talking about labs of computers for students. Every 50 minutes, a new 
set of users must come in and they expect to get to their files and settings.

For this reason, the simple action of logging off needs to be simple. Microsoft 
has chosen, in their infinite wisdom, to make this process difficult. Maybe not 
difficult for you or I, but it's not obvious to the layperson. Here are some 
possible scenarios:

1) Users don't log off. This causes either A) the session to be locked, making 
it impossible to login[1] or B) let the next student see/screw with the last 
user's data. Oh, I guess I could C) allow multiple log in sessions, but this is 
not ideal.

2) Users share desktops. If you can't log off, just stay logged in! Everybody 
can use the same desktop and home folder then. (Again, not ideal.)

It's not that I'm against Windows 8's DCIM interface. I'm not all that thrilled 
by it, but I see where they are going. I see the benefit on smaller, more 
mobile devices. (Which, oddly, Microsoft hasn't been focusing on. Where is the 
7" RT Tablet?) I am hopeful that Microsoft can make a few changes that will 
make it much more friendly on both Touch and Desktop interfaces.

But until they do, we won't be adopting it.

[1] As a side rant: Why can't Windows allow an administrator to force a logoff 
of a locked account locally on a machine? This was possible in XP. Starting 
with Vista, the only way an administrator could locally logoff a locked machine 
was to force a power down.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Rod Trent
[mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2012
06:43:44 -0800
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC


> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
> be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?
> 
>  
> 
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> "You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let
> it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you
> just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
> Settings)"
> 
>  
> 
> How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use
> the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems
> weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device
> off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but
> once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard
> to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect
> sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your device
> (whatever it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you
> want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
> hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever
> you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some environments
> where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses
> it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking
> back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
> 
> Tim
> 
>  
> 
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
> 
>  
> 
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our
> environment.
> 
>  
> 
> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Don Guyer
> Catholic Health East - Information Technology
> 
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
> 
> email: dgu...@che.org
> 
> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
> 
> For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
> 
> Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240
> 
>  
> 
> From:

Re: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Steve Ens

Hit the Windows key?


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Stefan Jafs  wrote:

> OK, this may be a really stupid question, I know search works very well
> but working on the desktop how do I get to my programs with no Start
> button? Bing gives me now aswers.
>
> Stefan
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
>> Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant
>> to be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving
>> beyond?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> “You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you want to shut down and
>> let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that
>> you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
>> Settings)”
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> How enlightening! We’ve gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn’t
>> use the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so
>> seems weird. “What? I can use the device’s power button to turn the Windows
>> device off? That’s CRAZY!”. Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can
>> make…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead
>> of the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users
>> that the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were
>> totally onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office
>> 2007, but once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown
>> being hard to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which
>> makes perfect sense once you think about it) is just use the power button
>> on your device (whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell”
>> Windows that you want to shut down and let it handle everything for you.
>> Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and
>> Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings). This won’t work
>> in some environments where the power button is not accessible, but for the
>> majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going
>> to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com ]
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> J  I’m running all three – plus a desktop.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org ]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I’ve been tasked with kicking it around in
>> our environment.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Don Guyer**
>> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>>
>> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
>> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>>
>> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>>
>> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
>>
>> *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
>> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.*
>>
>> [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com ]
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: Window 8 on your PC
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern
>> UI), you practically run in desktop mode anyway.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Window 8 on your PC
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving
>> it as-is and learning new tricks? 
>>
>> *David Lum*
>> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
>> Office 503.548.5229 //* *Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>> ---
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>> http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/
>> or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
>> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>>
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>>
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RE: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

2012-11-21 Thread Chinnery, Paul

+1.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

Sophos

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I may have asked this some months back so apologies but I can't find the email 
in the archives.

Our current antivirus product is up for renewal in three months and we have an 
interest in being able to monitor and restrict/allow access to removable 
drives, predominantly USB sticks.

Has anyone any experience of either antivirus suites which have this 
functionality, or standalone products?

Clients are Windows XP upwards with most being Windows 7 and a mix of 32bit and 
64bit.

Thanks,
Paul

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Re: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

2012-11-21 Thread Erik Goldoff

possible AD/GPO (win7 +), Symantec SEP, McAfee are at least a couple
that come to mind.



On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:
> I may have asked this some months back so apologies but I can’t find the
> email in the archives.
>
>
>
> Our current antivirus product is up for renewal in three months and we have
> an interest in being able to monitor and restrict/allow access to removable
> drives, predominantly USB sticks.
>
>
>
> Has anyone any experience of either antivirus suites which have this
> functionality, or standalone products?
>
>
>
> Clients are Windows XP upwards with most being Windows 7 and a mix of 32bit
> and 64bit.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> 
> MIRA Ltd
>
> Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England
> Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
> VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84
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RE: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

2012-11-21 Thread David Lum

Speaking of Vipre, I noticed v6 of Vipre Business Premium has added mobile 
device (iOS, Android) policies.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:09 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

VIPRE Business/Enterprise has a policy that enforces scanning of inserted 
drives. Works well.

Don't know if actually restricts access, however - it's been a while since I 
looked.

Also, their newest version just came out (we're about to implement it), and I 
haven't had a chance to read the change notice for it, so can't tell you yet 
about anything new in it.

I'm at home for the week, so am out of touch with the office, and can't 
immediately give you any more details.

Kurt

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Paul Hutchings  
wrote:
> I may have asked this some months back so apologies but I can’t find 
> the email in the archives.
>
>
>
> Our current antivirus product is up for renewal in three months and we 
> have an interest in being able to monitor and restrict/allow access to 
> removable drives, predominantly USB sticks.
>
>
>
> Has anyone any experience of either antivirus suites which have this 
> functionality, or standalone products?
>
>
>
> Clients are Windows XP upwards with most being Windows 7 and a mix of 
> 32bit and 64bit.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> 
> MIRA Ltd
>
> Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered 
> in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84
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RE: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

2012-11-21 Thread Kim Longenbaugh

Check Point End Point Protection.

From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:stefan.j...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

Sophos

Stefan
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Hutchings 
mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>> wrote:
I may have asked this some months back so apologies but I can't find the email 
in the archives.

Our current antivirus product is up for renewal in three months and we have an 
interest in being able to monitor and restrict/allow access to removable 
drives, predominantly USB sticks.

Has anyone any experience of either antivirus suites which have this 
functionality, or standalone products?

Clients are Windows XP upwards with most being Windows 7 and a mix of 32bit and 
64bit.

Thanks,
Paul

MIRA Ltd

Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England
Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84

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Re: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

2012-11-21 Thread Stefan Jafs

Sophos

Stefan

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

>  I may have asked this some months back so apologies but I can’t find the
> email in the archives.
>
> ** **
>
> Our current antivirus product is up for renewal in three months and we
> have an interest in being able to monitor and restrict/allow access to
> removable drives, predominantly USB sticks.
>
> ** **
>
> Has anyone any experience of either antivirus suites which have this
> functionality, or standalone products?
>
> ** **
>
> Clients are Windows XP upwards with most being Windows 7 and a mix of
> 32bit and 64bit.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>  --
> *MIRA Ltd*
>
> Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England
> Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
> VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84
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Re: OT: RE: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread Don Ely

What'd I do?

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:03 AM, David Lum  wrote:

>  
>
> ** **
>
> Kurt: After typing it, I almost clarified it but then decided to
> deliberately leave that open to interpretation. J
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:51 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> Does that describe you or the spouse, and is it a good thing or a bad
> thing? :)
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:25 AM, David Lum  wrote:
>
> *“*Allow Replication With Divergent and Corrupt Partner”
>
>  
>
> I think this is on my marriage certificate…
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:18 AM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
>  
>
> Ok, this was it. I simply created the *Allow Replication With Divergent
> and Corrupt Partner* registry key set to 1, did a forced replication and
> it worked. Then returned the key to 0. Lots of posts about this appearing
> now. It was a USNO server reboot that reset itself to year 2000 after the
> reboot. Guess nobody bothered to check it for accuracy before putting it
> back online. Our government at work. After resetting the key to not allow,
> tried another forced replication and it worked. SCOM is now reporting AD
> functions and replication as ok.
>
>  
>
> Thank you very much for finding that in the first 24 hours.
>
>  
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
>  
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley 
> [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 17:15
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
>  
>
> Wow, thanks. This sounds like exactly what happened to us. I’ll follow the
> guides and see what happens. I’ll update back when done.
>
>  
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
>  
>
> *From:* Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 16:41
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
>  
>
> Maybe a long shot, but check
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley 
> [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
>  
>
> No to these questions. 
>
>  
>
> Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no
> idea the cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem with
> access denied issues and that cascaded time sync errors to everything else.
> The 2 2000 DCs show the correct amount of uptime based on them being
> rebooted yesterday. The 2003 DCs however show correct time and date, but
> say uptime 4300+ days after their reboot. They are syncing with time server
> now, but clearly still have an issue. That is probably what is causing the
> one way replicate problem between just the 2 2003 DCs. I can actually
> replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then replicate that to the server
> that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes show up. Still haven?t
> figured the best way to rectify the issue. I definitely do not favor a
> transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and then promote again.
>
>  
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
>  
>
> *From:* Christopher Bodnar 
> [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
>  
>
> Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with
> lingering objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from
> physical to virtual recently? Or restored from a backup? 
>
> *Christopher Bodnar*
> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>
> Tel 610-807-6459
> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
> christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>
>
> *
> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America*
> *
> *www.guardianlife.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:"Dan Bartley" 
> To:"NT System Admin Issues"  >
> Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM
> Subject:RE: AD Washout 
>   --
>
>
>
>
> No.
>
> However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on
> one 2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t replicate
> due to tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate the other
> direction. I am not getting any Event errors in the Directory Service event
> log of either DC when I try the manual replication (such as 2042-which I
> did find references on).
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
> Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
> NetCarrier Telecom
> Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310
>
>

Re: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

2012-11-21 Thread Kurt Buff

VIPRE Business/Enterprise has a policy that enforces scanning of
inserted drives. Works well.

Don't know if actually restricts access, however - it's been a while
since I looked.

Also, their newest version just came out (we're about to implement
it), and I haven't had a chance to read the change notice for it, so
can't tell you yet about anything new in it.

I'm at home for the week, so am out of touch with the office, and
can't immediately give you any more details.

Kurt

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Paul Hutchings
 wrote:
> I may have asked this some months back so apologies but I can’t find the
> email in the archives.
>
>
>
> Our current antivirus product is up for renewal in three months and we have
> an interest in being able to monitor and restrict/allow access to removable
> drives, predominantly USB sticks.
>
>
>
> Has anyone any experience of either antivirus suites which have this
> functionality, or standalone products?
>
>
>
> Clients are Windows XP upwards with most being Windows 7 and a mix of 32bit
> and 64bit.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> 
> MIRA Ltd
>
> Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England
> Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
> VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84
>
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Re: Endpoint Protection with Device Control?

2012-11-21 Thread James Rankin

Lumension


On 21 November 2012 15:55, Paul Hutchings  wrote:

>  I may have asked this some months back so apologies but I can’t find the
> email in the archives.
>
> ** **
>
> Our current antivirus product is up for renewal in three months and we
> have an interest in being able to monitor and restrict/allow access to
> removable drives, predominantly USB sticks.
>
> ** **
>
> Has anyone any experience of either antivirus suites which have this
> functionality, or standalone products?
>
> ** **
>
> Clients are Windows XP upwards with most being Windows 7 and a mix of
> 32bit and 64bit.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>  --
> *MIRA Ltd*
>
> Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England
> Registered in England and Wales No. 402570
> VAT Registration  GB 100 1464 84
>
> The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of
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Re: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread Kurt Buff

Does that describe you or the spouse, and is it a good thing or a bad
thing? :)

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 7:25 AM, David Lum  wrote:

>  *“**Allow Replication With Divergent and Corrupt Partner”*
>
> * *
>
> *I think this is on my marriage certificate…*
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:18 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
>  ** **
>
> Ok, this was it. I simply created the *Allow Replication With Divergent
> and Corrupt Partner* registry key set to 1, did a forced replication and
> it worked. Then returned the key to 0. Lots of posts about this appearing
> now. It was a USNO server reboot that reset itself to year 2000 after the
> reboot. Guess nobody bothered to check it for accuracy before putting it
> back online. Our government at work. After resetting the key to not allow,
> tried another forced replication and it worked. SCOM is now reporting AD
> functions and replication as ok.
>
> ** **
>
> Thank you very much for finding that in the first 24 hours.
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley 
> [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 17:15
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> Wow, thanks. This sounds like exactly what happened to us. I’ll follow the
> guides and see what happens. I’ll update back when done.
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 16:41
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> Maybe a long shot, but check
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley 
> [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> No to these questions. 
>
> ** **
>
> Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no
> idea the cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem with
> access denied issues and that cascaded time sync errors to everything else.
> The 2 2000 DCs show the correct amount of uptime based on them being
> rebooted yesterday. The 2003 DCs however show correct time and date, but
> say uptime 4300+ days after their reboot. They are syncing with time server
> now, but clearly still have an issue. That is probably what is causing the
> one way replicate problem between just the 2 2003 DCs. I can actually
> replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then replicate that to the server
> that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes show up. Still haven?t
> figured the best way to rectify the issue. I definitely do not favor a
> transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and then promote again.
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Christopher Bodnar 
> [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with
> lingering objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from
> physical to virtual recently? Or restored from a backup? 
>
> *Christopher Bodnar*
> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>
> Tel 610-807-6459
> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
> christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>
>
> *
> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America*
> *
> *www.guardianlife.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:"Dan Bartley" 
> To:"NT System Admin Issues"  >
> Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM
> Subject:RE: AD Washout 
>   --
>
>
>
>
> No.
>
> However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on
> one 2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t replicate
> due to tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate the other
> direction. I am not getting any Event errors in the Directory Service event
> log of either DC when I try the manual replication (such as 2042-which I
> did find references on).
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
> Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
> NetCarrier Telecom
> Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310
>
>
> *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com ] *
> Sent:* Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37*
> To:* NT System Admin Issues*
> Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> Any new patches added just prior to this.
>
> Jon
>
> ** **
>   --
>
>
> Subject: AD Washout
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
> From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
> I mostly

Re: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread Steve Kradel

IMHO these suggestions are not parsable into actions that anyone should
actually do.

On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dan Bartley
wrote:

> Easy fixes for that.
>
> ** **
>
> 1 Isolate system from its network
>
> 2 Press Power button until you have full power
>
> 2 Clear memory to remove corrupted and inaccurate data (especially the
> lingeringobjects)
>
> 3 Log back in with administrative authority
>
> ** **
>
> The divergent and corrupt partner should now be in full sync with you.
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
>
> 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:25
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> *“**Allow Replication With Divergent and Corrupt Partner”*
>
> * *
>
> *I think this is on my marriage certificate…*
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley 
> [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:18 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> Ok, this was it. I simply created the *Allow Replication With Divergent
> and Corrupt Partner* registry key set to 1, did a forced replication and
> it worked. Then returned the key to 0. Lots of posts about this appearing
> now. It was a USNO server reboot that reset itself to year 2000 after the
> reboot. Guess nobody bothered to check it for accuracy before putting it
> back online. Our government at work. After resetting the key to not allow,
> tried another forced replication and it worked. SCOM is now reporting AD
> functions and replication as ok.
>
> ** **
>
> Thank you very much for finding that in the first 24 hours.
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley 
> [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 17:15
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> Wow, thanks. This sounds like exactly what happened to us. I’ll follow the
> guides and see what happens. I’ll update back when done.
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov ]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 16:41
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> Maybe a long shot, but check
> http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx
> 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Dan Bartley 
> [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> No to these questions. 
>
> ** **
>
> Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no
> idea the cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem with
> access denied issues and that cascaded time sync errors to everything else.
> The 2 2000 DCs show the correct amount of uptime based on them being
> rebooted yesterday. The 2003 DCs however show correct time and date, but
> say uptime 4300+ days after their reboot. They are syncing with time server
> now, but clearly still have an issue. That is probably what is causing the
> one way replicate problem between just the 2 2003 DCs. I can actually
> replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then replicate that to the server
> that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes show up. Still haven?t
> figured the best way to rectify the issue. I definitely do not favor a
> transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and then promote again.
>
> ** **
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Dan Bartley
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Christopher Bodnar 
> [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: AD Washout
>
> ** **
>
> Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with
> lingering objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from
> physical to virtual recently? Or restored from a backup? 
>
> *Christopher Bodnar*
> Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
> Architecture and Engineering Services 
>
> Tel 610-807-6459
> 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
> christopher_bod...@glic.com 
>
>
> *
> The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America*
> *
> *www.guardianlife.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:"Dan Bartley" 
> To:"NT System Admin Issues"  >
> Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM
> Subject:RE: AD Washout 
> --
>
>
>
>
> No.
>
> However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on
> one 2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t replicate
> due to tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate the other
> direction. I am not getting any Event errors in the Directory Service event
> log of either DC when I try the manual replication (such as 2042-whic

RE: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread Dan Bartley

Easy fixes for that.

 

1 Isolate system from its network

2 Press Power button until you have full power

2 Clear memory to remove corrupted and inaccurate data (especially the
lingeringobjects)

3 Log back in with administrative authority

 

The divergent and corrupt partner should now be in full sync with you.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley




 

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:25
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

"Allow Replication With Divergent and Corrupt Partner"

 

I think this is on my marriage certificate...

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Ok, this was it. I simply created the Allow Replication With Divergent
and Corrupt Partner registry key set to 1, did a forced replication and
it worked. Then returned the key to 0. Lots of posts about this
appearing now. It was a USNO server reboot that reset itself to year
2000 after the reboot. Guess nobody bothered to check it for accuracy
before putting it back online. Our government at work. After resetting
the key to not allow, tried another forced replication and it worked.
SCOM is now reporting AD functions and replication as ok.

 

Thank you very much for finding that in the first 24 hours.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 17:15
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Wow, thanks. This sounds like exactly what happened to us. I'll follow
the guides and see what happens. I'll update back when done.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

 

From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 16:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Maybe a long shot, but check 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active
-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

No to these questions. 

 

Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no
idea the cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem
with access denied issues and that cascaded time sync errors to
everything else. The 2 2000 DCs show the correct amount of uptime based
on them being rebooted yesterday. The 2003 DCs however show correct time
and date, but say uptime 4300+ days after their reboot. They are syncing
with time server now, but clearly still have an issue. That is probably
what is causing the one way replicate problem between just the 2 2003
DCs. I can actually replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then replicate
that to the server that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes show
up. Still haven?t figured the best way to rectify the issue. I
definitely do not favor a transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and
then promote again.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with
lingering objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from
physical to virtual recently? Or restored from a backup? 

Christopher Bodnar 
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
Architecture and Engineering Services 

Tel 610-807-6459  
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 
christopher_bod...@glic.com   

 

The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America

www.guardianlife.com   








From:"Dan Bartley"  
To:"NT System Admin Issues" <
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> 
Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM 
Subject:RE: AD Washout 






No. 
  
However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on
one 2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t
replicate due to tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate
the other direction. I am not getting any Event errors in the Directory
Service event log of either DC when I try the manual replication (such
as 2042-which I did find references on). 
  
Best Regards,

Dan Bartley
Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
NetCarrier Telecom
Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310

  
From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com 
] 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout 
  
Any new patches added just prior to this.

Jon

 




Subject: AD Washout
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com 

To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

RE: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread David Lum

"Allow Replication With Divergent and Corrupt Partner"

I think this is on my marriage certificate...

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Ok, this was it. I simply created the Allow Replication With Divergent and 
Corrupt Partner registry key set to 1, did a forced replication and it worked. 
Then returned the key to 0. Lots of posts about this appearing now. It was a 
USNO server reboot that reset itself to year 2000 after the reboot. Guess 
nobody bothered to check it for accuracy before putting it back online. Our 
government at work. After resetting the key to not allow, tried another forced 
replication and it worked. SCOM is now reporting AD functions and replication 
as ok.

Thank you very much for finding that in the first 24 hours.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 17:15
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Wow, thanks. This sounds like exactly what happened to us. I'll follow the 
guides and see what happens. I'll update back when done.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 16:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Maybe a long shot, but check 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

No to these questions.

Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no idea the 
cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem with access denied 
issues and that cascaded time sync errors to everything else. The 2 2000 DCs 
show the correct amount of uptime based on them being rebooted yesterday. The 
2003 DCs however show correct time and date, but say uptime 4300+ days after 
their reboot. They are syncing with time server now, but clearly still have an 
issue. That is probably what is causing the one way replicate problem between 
just the 2 2003 DCs. I can actually replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then 
replicate that to the server that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes 
show up. Still haven?t figured the best way to rectify the issue. I definitely 
do not favor a transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and then promote again.

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with lingering 
objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from physical to virtual 
recently? Or restored from a backup?
Christopher Bodnar
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture 
and Engineering Services

Tel 610-807-6459
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017
christopher_bod...@glic.com

[cid:image001.jpg@01CDC7B9.4CFFC480]

The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America

www.guardianlife.com

From:"Dan Bartley" 
mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com>>
To:"NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM
Subject:RE: AD Washout

No.

However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on one 
2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t replicate due to 
tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate the other direction. I am 
not getting any Event errors in the Directory Service event log of either DC 
when I try the manual replication (such as 2042-which I did find references on).

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley
Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
NetCarrier Telecom
Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

Any new patches added just prior to this.

Jon

Subject: AD Washout
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com
To: 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
I mostly watch and learn, but today a question. Today I had an issue I can?t 
find any reason for.

Mixed 2000-2003 domain. 2 of each. All the roles have been moved to the 2003 
DCs, except time server. Fully patched.

Out of nowhere I started getting SCOM alerts from 2 of the DCs that various DC 
functions were failing when contacting one of the 2003 DCs. The 2 2000 servers 
could be RDP, but not accessed via MMC for services, etc. from a Win7 
workstation. I saw various KC

RE: AD Washout

2012-11-21 Thread Dan Bartley

Ok, this was it. I simply created the Allow Replication With Divergent
and Corrupt Partner registry key set to 1, did a forced replication and
it worked. Then returned the key to 0. Lots of posts about this
appearing now. It was a USNO server reboot that reset itself to year
2000 after the reboot. Guess nobody bothered to check it for accuracy
before putting it back online. Our government at work. After resetting
the key to not allow, tried another forced replication and it worked.
SCOM is now reporting AD functions and replication as ok.

 

Thank you very much for finding that in the first 24 hours.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley




 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 17:15
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Wow, thanks. This sounds like exactly what happened to us. I'll follow
the guides and see what happens. I'll update back when done.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley



 

From: Coleman, Hunter [mailto:hcole...@mt.gov] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 16:41
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Maybe a long shot, but check 
http://blogs.technet.com/b/askpfeplat/archive/2012/11/19/did-your-active
-directory-domain-time-just-jump-to-the-year-2000.aspx

 

 

From: Dan Bartley [mailto:bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:04 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

No to these questions. 

 

Actually it all seems centered around time sync problem that I have no
idea the cause of. It seems the 2003 PDCe server developed a problem
with access denied issues and that cascaded time sync errors to
everything else. The 2 2000 DCs show the correct amount of uptime based
on them being rebooted yesterday. The 2003 DCs however show correct time
and date, but say uptime 4300+ days after their reboot. They are syncing
with time server now, but clearly still have an issue. That is probably
what is causing the one way replicate problem between just the 2 2003
DCs. I can actually replicate either one to a 2000 DC and then replicate
that to the server that won?t replicate from the PDCe and changes show
up. Still haven?t figured the best way to rectify the issue. I
definitely do not favor a transfer of roles and dcpromo to demote and
then promote again.

 

Best Regards,

Dan Bartley

 

From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 07:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout

 

Tombstonelifetime error makes me think this might be an issues with
lingering objects. Were any of the domain controllers migrated from
physical to virtual recently? Or restored from a backup? 

Christopher Bodnar 
Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise
Architecture and Engineering Services 

Tel 610-807-6459  
3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 
christopher_bod...@glic.com   

 

The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America

www.guardianlife.com   








From:"Dan Bartley"  
To:"NT System Admin Issues" <
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com> 
Date:11/19/2012 09:51 PM 
Subject:RE: AD Washout 






No. 
  
However, I just discovered that when I try to do a manual replication on
one 2003 DC from the PDCe 2003 DC, I get an error that it can?t
replicate due to tombstone lifetime being exceeded. It does replicate
the other direction. I am not getting any Event errors in the Directory
Service event log of either DC when I try the manual replication (such
as 2042-which I did find references on). 
  
Best Regards,

Dan Bartley
Director - Security, IT, Billing, A-R
NetCarrier Telecom
Phone: (877) 255-7733; Fax: (267) 638-0317; Direct: (215) 966-3310

  
From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com 
] 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 21:37
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: AD Washout 
  
Any new patches added just prior to this.

Jon

 




Subject: AD Washout
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:31:10 -0500
From: bartl...@corp.netcarrier.com 

To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  
I mostly watch and learn, but today a question. Today I had an issue I
can?t find any reason for. 
  
Mixed 2000-2003 domain. 2 of each. All the roles have been moved to the
2003 DCs, except time server. Fully patched. 
  
Out of nowhere I started getting SCOM alerts from 2 of the DCs that
various DC functions were failing when contacting one of the 2003 DCs.
The 2 2000 servers could be RDP, but not accessed via MMC for services,
etc. from a Win7 workstation. I saw various KCC NTDS Replication related
errors on one of the 2003 DCs. I could attach to them via RPC (MMC)
though. One of the 2000 DCs is still the time server. Neither of the
2003 DCs could update time with it having a server error 5, access

RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Rod Trent

Also, consider that Windows 8 is built for devices that are never meant to
be shut off.  Why give easy access to a function that we are moving beyond?

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let
it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you
just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power
Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems
weird. "What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device
off? That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make.

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but
once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard
to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect
sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your device
(whatever it might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you
want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever
you told it to do (Power Settings). This won't work in some environments
where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses
it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking
back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.

Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

J  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology

Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073

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From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
you practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it
as-is and learning new tricks? 

David Lum 
Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

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RE: windows phone 8

2012-11-21 Thread Rod Trent

I'm digging the 8x.  Of course, it still has that new car smell, so give me a 
few days to see if the coolness wears off.

-Original Message-
From: Alan Davies [mailto:adav...@cls-services.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.

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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

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> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
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> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
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RE: windows phone 8

2012-11-21 Thread Alan Davies

Just had a look at the two together.  Nokia is a lot thicker and heavier and 
less pleasant to hold in the hand IMHO.  I prefer the 920 in spec to the 8X, 
but think as something to carry around all day every day I might go down the 
HTC route ...

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: 19 November 2012 19:18
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Lots of folks complaining about it.  Also complaining of reboots and hung 
screens.

The HTC 8x seems to be the better of the two releases.  Mine just showed up an 
hour or so ago.

-Original Message-
From: joeu...@chronic.org [mailto:joeu...@chronic.org]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: windows phone 8

Sure, you might be a lucky one... google - 920 battery life

Regards,
joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...

"...now these points of data make a beautiful line..."

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: windows phone 8
> From: Steven Peck 
> Date: Mon, November 19, 2012 3:43 am
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> 
> 
> It does?  Mine's been lasting a day or two.  I have turned off NFC 
> because well, I have no NFC devices.  I also avoid ad based apps, just 
> purchased.
> My wife's been lasting as well.
> 

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread David Lum

"You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down and let it 
handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that you just 
hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power Settings)"

How enlightening! We've gotten so used to the scenario where we couldn't use 
the power button to turn a device off that now being able to do so seems weird. 
"What? I can use the device's power button to turn the Windows device off? 
That's CRAZY!". Amazing what mind shift just one sentence can make...

From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:tvanderk...@expl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of the 
Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that the 
Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally onboard. 
It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but once you 
make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard to get to, 
what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect sense once 
you think about it) is just use the power button on your device (whatever it 
might be). You no longer have to "pre-tell" Windows that you want to shut down 
and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now hardware aware enough that 
you just hit the power and Windows does whatever you told it to do (Power 
Settings). This won't work in some environments where the power button is not 
accessible, but for the majority of businesses it works just fine, and it is 
incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking back up take my machines on average 
2 seconds.
Tim

From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

:)  I'm running all three - plus a desktop.


From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Keep the Win 8 info coming! I've been tasked with kicking it around in our 
environment.

Laptop, Surface and a phone.

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
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From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI), you 
practically run in desktop mode anyway.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Window 8 on your PC

Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it 
as-is and learning new tricks?
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Re: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!

2012-11-21 Thread James Rankin

Yes, since server 2008 R2 (I think) shadowing had issues - mainly for
shadowing to or from multiple monitor setups.


In a Citrix environment we get by using RA as Webster said or the Shadow
Taskbar. In RDS environment, I don't know what the preferred method is, but
agree it's a big backward step.


On 21 November 2012 13:07, Webster  wrote:

>  Unfortunately Shadowing was removed.  Some people blame Citrix and some
> blame MS but Citrix had nothing to do with the removal of Shadowing.
> Citrix is also forced to use Remote Assistance for both XenApp and
> XenDesktop.  There has been a lot of weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth
> about this but MS hasn’t changed anything.
>
> ** **
>
> If your users use multiple monitors, you can’t use shadowing for that
> scenario either.  MS says to use Remote Assistance.  With the wide spread
> adoption of multiple monitor use in business, I don’t understand the lack
> of shadowing support for multiple monitors.  I am sure there is a
> technological reason behind these decisions to drop Shadow support.  But
> with the programming brain power that MS has available to them, I don’t
> understand why they can’t solve this issue.
>
> ** **
>
> I am no longer a developer, and don’t play one on TV, so I have no idea of
> the challenges involved with providing Shadow support in multi monitor
> scenarios or in Server 2012/Win8.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
> *Subject:* RE: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks Rene but I’m referring to Remote Controlling a user’s remote
> desktop session on a remote desktop session host.
>
> ** **
>
> James.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com ]
>
> *Subject:* Re: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!
>
> ** **
>
> From what I read you need to enable it.
>
>  
>
> "Enabling Remote Desktop:
>
> you need to log on as an administrator
>
> open System in Control Panel
>
> select the Remote tab
>
> under Remote Desktop select the checkbox labeled "Allow users to connect
> remotely to this computer."
>
>  
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.]
>
>  
>
> Hth
>
> René
>
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:06 AM, James Hill  wrote:
>
>  In the process of building my first Windows Server 2012 server with
> Remote Desktop.
>
> There is no Remote Control and a quick search says that this feature has
> been removed!
>
> Seriously?  Please someone tell me this isn’t the case! ** **
>
> I sure can’t find the option anywhere.
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Re: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Erik Goldoff

I'm holding out for duability reviews on the new wave of 'Ultrabook
Convertibles' to see who has the sturdiest (read: most reliable,
trouble free) method of sending video signal to a spinning/flipping
display frame

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM,   wrote:
> The Samsungs drive me nuts. The form factor is so large its like carrying
> around a table top.  MS bigwig pulled one out of his bag at a meeting one
> time, wanted to show it off.  I just laughed at him.
>
> Sent from Windows Mail
>
> From: Tim Vander Kooi
> Sent: November 20, 2012 8:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>
> Running the same 4 here, except we went with the Samsung Slates instead of
> the Surface, they are excellent machines. Once I demonstrated to users that
> the Start Page is just where their Start Button went to they were totally
> onboard. It is a total mind shift (just like Office 2003 to Office 2007, but
> once you make that shift it is much more useful. As for Shutdown being hard
> to get to, what I was told by a friend at Microsoft (and which makes perfect
> sense once you think about it) is just use the power button on your device
> (whatever it might be). You no longer have to “pre-tell” Windows that you
> want to shut down and let it handle everything for you. Windows is now
> hardware aware enough that you just hit the power and Windows does whatever
> you told it to do (Power Settings). This won’t work in some environments
> where the power button is not accessible, but for the majority of businesses
> it works just fine, and it is incredibly fast! Going to Sleep and waking
> back up take my machines on average 2 seconds.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>
>
> J  I’m running all three – plus a desktop.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:25 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>
>
> Keep the Win 8 info coming! I’ve been tasked with kicking it around in our
> environment.
>
>
>
> Laptop, Surface and a phone.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Don Guyer
> Catholic Health East - Information Technology
>
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>
> email: dgu...@che.org
>
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>
> For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
>
>
>
> From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:16 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC
>
>
>
> Unless all of your apps are from the Windows 8 store (with the modern UI),
> you practically run in desktop mode anyway.
>
>
>
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 4:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Window 8 on your PC
>
>
>
> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or leaving it
> as-is and learning new tricks?
>
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
>
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RE: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!

2012-11-21 Thread Webster

Unfortunately Shadowing was removed.  Some people blame Citrix and some blame 
MS but Citrix had nothing to do with the removal of Shadowing.  Citrix is also 
forced to use Remote Assistance for both XenApp and XenDesktop.  There has been 
a lot of weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth about this but MS hasn't 
changed anything.

If your users use multiple monitors, you can't use shadowing for that scenario 
either.  MS says to use Remote Assistance.  With the wide spread adoption of 
multiple monitor use in business, I don't understand the lack of shadowing 
support for multiple monitors.  I am sure there is a technological reason 
behind these decisions to drop Shadow support.  But with the programming brain 
power that MS has available to them, I don't understand why they can't solve 
this issue.

I am no longer a developer, and don't play one on TV, so I have no idea of the 
challenges involved with providing Shadow support in multi monitor scenarios or 
in Server 2012/Win8.

Thanks


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com

From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Subject: RE: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!

Thanks Rene but I'm referring to Remote Controlling a user's remote desktop 
session on a remote desktop session host.

James.

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: Windows Server 2012 - Remote Control has been removed!

>From what I read you need to enable it.

"Enabling Remote Desktop:
you need to log on as an administrator
open System in Control Panel
select the Remote tab
under Remote Desktop select the checkbox labeled "Allow users to connect 
remotely to this computer."

[Image removed by sender.]

Hth
René
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:06 AM, James Hill 
mailto:falc...@gmail.com>> wrote:

In the process of building my first Windows Server 2012 server with Remote 
Desktop.

There is no Remote Control and a quick search says that this feature has been 
removed!

Seriously?  Please someone tell me this isn't the case!

I sure can't find the option anywhere.

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Ken Schaefer

I could have one button that pops up a menu with large selection buttons - I 
have that on my Windows Media Center already (under tasks) - surely that could 
work?

I also don’t see how one power button is going to facilitate both shutdown and 
restart.

I have Win8 running on my HP Slate 500, and frankly these little niggly things 
are just annoying
I've had Win Server 2012 running for a long time for my IIS8 book - by the way, 
it's out soon, just in time for Christmas :) , and it's a PITA to use in a VM

Apple manages to make it work with just one button on their iPad - maybe 
Microsoft could have done something similar with one or two hardware buttons 
for a "designed for Windows 8" PC

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 10:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Because of touch.

All of those things in one place means small buttons which are hard to click on 
with big fingers.  That's my guess on it.  The log off location makes sense on 
a touch device as you can easily switch users.  The shutdown and restart makes 
little sense at all but apparently it's because people press the power button 
on touch devices.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Why should people have to "figure it out"?

Shutdown, Restart, Logoff, Sleep, Standby, Hibernate were all in one place 
before, and it worked for all the hundreds of millions of people using Windows. 
Why change it?

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 9:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Are you saying it will be difficult for the admins to use or difficult for the 
admins as users won't be able to work it out?

The admins should be able to quickly work it out and after that it is easy.

Users have always(since remote desktop was invented) either not known how to 
log off or couldn't be bothered.   They just click on the X and disconnect (so 
us admins have to configure session timeouts etc to eventually log off the 
session).  So no changes in that area for Server 2012 for the users imo.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 7:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

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Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.



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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Randal, Phil

Fabulous! 

But it should have been a standard feature.

Cheers,

Phil

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Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk


-Original Message-
From: Steve Burkett [mailto:steve.burk...@stemcor.com] 
Sent: 21 November 2012 10:50
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

You can create a Shutdown/Restart/Logoff tile for the Start screen with a bit 
of PowerShell:
http://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/Create-a-ShutdownRestartLog-37c8111d


-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk]
Sent: 21 November 2012 09:49
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

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Infrastructure Engineer
Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.

(* DCIM - Don't call it Metro)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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[mailto:david@nwea.org]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2012
13:07:38 -0800
Subject: Window 8 on your PC


> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or 
> leaving it as-is and learning new tricks?
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Randal, Phil

The users will jus disconnect rather than logging out.

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-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 21 November 2012 10:50
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Are you saying it will be difficult for the admins to use or difficult for the 
admins as users won't be able to work it out?

The admins should be able to quickly work it out and after that it is easy.

Users have always(since remote desktop was invented) either not known how to 
log off or couldn't be bothered.   They just click on the X and disconnect (so 
us admins have to configure session timeouts etc to eventually log off the 
session).  So no changes in that area for Server 2012 for the users imo.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 7:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

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-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.

(* DCIM - Don't call it Metro)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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Subject: Window 8 on your PC


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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread James Hill

Because of touch.

All of those things in one place means small buttons which are hard to click on 
with big fingers.  That's my guess on it.  The log off location makes sense on 
a touch device as you can easily switch users.  The shutdown and restart makes 
little sense at all but apparently it's because people press the power button 
on touch devices.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 9:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Why should people have to "figure it out"?

Shutdown, Restart, Logoff, Sleep, Standby, Hibernate were all in one place 
before, and it worked for all the hundreds of millions of people using Windows. 
Why change it?

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 9:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Are you saying it will be difficult for the admins to use or difficult for the 
admins as users won't be able to work it out?

The admins should be able to quickly work it out and after that it is easy.

Users have always(since remote desktop was invented) either not known how to 
log off or couldn't be bothered.   They just click on the X and disconnect (so 
us admins have to configure session timeouts etc to eventually log off the 
session).  So no changes in that area for Server 2012 for the users imo.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 7:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

--
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Infrastructure Engineer
Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.



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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Ken Schaefer

Why should people have to "figure it out"?

Shutdown, Restart, Logoff, Sleep, Standby, Hibernate were all in one place 
before, and it worked for all the hundreds of millions of people using Windows. 
Why change it?

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 9:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Are you saying it will be difficult for the admins to use or difficult for the 
admins as users won't be able to work it out?

The admins should be able to quickly work it out and after that it is easy.

Users have always(since remote desktop was invented) either not known how to 
log off or couldn't be bothered.   They just click on the X and disconnect (so 
us admins have to configure session timeouts etc to eventually log off the 
session).  So no changes in that area for Server 2012 for the users imo.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 7:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

--
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Infrastructure Engineer
Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.

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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Steve Burkett

You can create a Shutdown/Restart/Logoff tile for the Start screen with a bit 
of PowerShell:
http://gallery.technet.microsoft.com/scriptcenter/Create-a-ShutdownRestartLog-37c8111d


-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk]
Sent: 21 November 2012 09:49
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

--
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Infrastructure Engineer
Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.

(* DCIM - Don't call it Metro)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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To: NT System Admin Issues
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Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2012
13:07:38 -0800
Subject: Window 8 on your PC


> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or
> leaving it as-is and learning new tricks?
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread James Hill

Are you saying it will be difficult for the admins to use or difficult for the 
admins as users won't be able to work it out?

The admins should be able to quickly work it out and after that it is easy.

Users have always(since remote desktop was invented) either not known how to 
log off or couldn't be bothered.   They just click on the X and disconnect (so 
us admins have to configure session timeouts etc to eventually log off the 
session).  So no changes in that area for Server 2012 for the users imo.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Randal, Phil [mailto:phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 7:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

--
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Infrastructure Engineer
Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.

(* DCIM - Don't call it Metro)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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[mailto:david@nwea.org]
To: NT System Admin Issues
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Sent: Tue, 20 Nov 2012
13:07:38 -0800
Subject: Window 8 on your PC


> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or 
> leaving it as-is and learning new tricks?
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread Randal, Phil

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 'log out' 'button' being hidden the way it is 
in Windows 8 and Server 2012 will be a nightmare for terminal server admins.

Ugh.

Phil

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Infrastructure Engineer
Hoople Ltd | Thorn Office Centre | Hereford HR2 6JT
Tel: 01432 260415 | Email: phil.ran...@hoopleltd.co.uk

-Original Message-
From: James Hill [mailto:falc...@gmail.com]
Sent: 21 November 2012 08:44
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Window 8 on your PC

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8 and 
were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any tuition.  I 
showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too late 
and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off on such 
deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we get a break 
to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab environment. 
One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is something every 
7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some know that you can 
quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last, most of the software 
run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So really, there isn't a 
feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with the 
Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft makes it 
an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to launch 
programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.

(* DCIM - Don't call it Metro)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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To: NT System Admin Issues
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13:07:38 -0800
Subject: Window 8 on your PC


> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or
> leaving it as-is and learning new tricks?
> David Lum
> Sr. Systems Engineer // NWEATM
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>
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RE: Window 8 on your PC

2012-11-21 Thread James Hill

The location of log off and the shutdown menu are both a nuisance.

I have a 6 year old and a 4 year old that were placed in front of Windows 8
and were installing apps from the store, playing games etc without any
tuition.  I showed them how to do a shutdown and that was about it.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2012 8:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Window 8 on your PC

We won't be deploying it this school year, that's for sure. It's just too
late and we would get a lot of negative feedback. Also we tend to hold off
on such deployments until the product has a little shake-down time and we
get a break to do upgrades.

Personally, I'm not looking forward to 8 on the desktop in a lab
environment. One nitpick of my own: It's very difficult to log off, which is
something every 7-18 year old in our schools will have to do. While some
know that you can quickly find a logout with Ctrl-Alt-Del, most don't. Last,
most of the software run by our users aren't in the DCIM* interface. So
really, there isn't a feature that is yet pushing us to Win8 yet.

I have seen start-button replacements, like Start8, but we like to go with
the Officially supported versions of things if we can. Thus, if Microsoft
makes it an option to stick people to the Desktop and give them a way to
launch programs/logoff, I'll give it another try.

(* DCIM - Don't call it Metro)


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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13:07:38 -0800
Subject: Window 8 on your PC


> Are you guys changing your Windows 8 UI to be more like Win7 or 
> leaving it as-is and learning new tricks?
> David Lum
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