Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[MMF]

This is the busiest this list has been in years! So, let’s wait for Stu or 
someone in “command” to tell us how to keep this list ALIVE!!!

MFree

From: Rod Trent 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

I’m sure there are plenty of places that would gladly host the list for free.  
It’s a valuable resource.

 

If it comes down to that, we could even do it.

 

 

 

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

 

Or build our own?

 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

  See response below...


  On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
  > Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it 
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I 
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail 
thing?
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
  > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
  > To: NT System Admin Issues
  > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
  >
  > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
  >>
  >>
  >> Hi All,
  >>
  >> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
  >>
  >> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
  >> will shut down at the end of this month.
  >>
  >> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
  >>
  >> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
  >>
  >> Warm regards,
  >>
  >> Stu
  >
  > Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
  >
  > You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
the subscription info?
  >
  > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
  >
  > Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
  >
  > Kurt

  No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
  lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
  message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
  message.

  It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

  o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
  through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
  reply, then bounce down and read the original post

  o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
  easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
  thoughts in the original post(s).


  Kurt

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-- 

G. Waleed Kavalec
--

"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and 
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn. 

And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

 

- Rod Serling; 

Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"

The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22


 

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Free, Bob]

Ooohhh, the popcorn is so much better when dripping with sarcasm

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

It was normal for 20 years, until Outlook didn't do it and it gained primacy. 
All of the other clients followed along.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)

I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
something.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty lines that 
gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the message and delete the 
cruft that the list software appends to each message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way through, 
then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the reply, then bounce 
down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's easier to 
maintain conversation flow while responding to individual thoughts in the 
original post(s).

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[William Robbins]

I've grown more sociable in my old age.

 - WJR


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 18:37:12 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: jonathan.l...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

You share your popcorn with anyone? :D

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:17 PM, William Robbins  wrote:





You rang?   Pretty sure Lyris kills images, I'll send you some popcorn off-list.



 - WJR


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:08 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: rich...@gmail.com

To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

WJR,
I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your response 
is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?







-Original Message-

From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

>

> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which

> will shut down at the end of this month.

>

> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

>

> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Stu



Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?



You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's the 
subscription info?



Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)



Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?



Kurt



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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Manuel Santos]

HI Stu.
I really can't see the way to join the list.
Please, send a link, so that I don't miss this wonderfull resource of
valuable info


2013/4/25 

>
>  Hi All,
>
>  You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
>  This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
>  which will shut down at the end of this month.
>
>  GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
>  I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
>  Warm regards,
>
>  Stu
>

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Michael B. Smith]

I will not use a google property for something that has a business purpose for 
me.

I'm only one person, but I doubt I'm the only one that feels that way.

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

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--
G. Waleed Kavalec
--
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and 
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22



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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Michael B. Smith]

It was normal for 20 years, until Outlook didn't do it and it gained primacy. 
All of the other clients followed along.

-Original Message-
From: Rod Trent [mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)

I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
something.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty lines that 
gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the message and delete the 
cruft that the list software appends to each message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way through, 
then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the reply, then bounce 
down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's easier to 
maintain conversation flow while responding to individual thoughts in the 
original post(s).

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

I'm sure there are plenty of places that would gladly host the list for
free.  It's a valuable resource.

 

If it comes down to that, we could even do it.

 

 

 

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

 

Or build our own?

 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com> > wrote:

See response below...


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com> > wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com  ]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  mailto:s...@knowbe4.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).


Kurt

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-- 

G. Waleed Kavalec
--

"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices,
to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill
and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a
scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children
yet unborn. 

And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight
Zone."

 

- Rod Serling; 

Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"

The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22


 

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jonathan Link]

You share your popcorn with anyone? :D


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:17 PM, William Robbins wrote:

>
> You rang?  Pretty sure Lyris kills images, I'll send you some popcorn
> off-list.
>
>
>  - WJR
>
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:08 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> From: rich...@gmail.com
> To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
>
> WJR,
>
> I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >
> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> > will shut down at the end of this month.
> >
> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >
> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
>
> Kurt
>
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife]

But, I don't know anyone there.  I know all you guys here.

Joe Heaton
Enterprise Server Support
CA Department of Fish and Wildlife
1807 13th Street, Suite 201
Sacramento, CA  95811
Desk:  (916) 323-1284

From: G.Waleed Kavalec [mailto:kava...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:54 PM
To: Heaton, Joseph@Wildlife; NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
mailto:rodtr...@myitforum.com>> wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,  
> mailto:s...@knowbe4.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt
No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

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--
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and 
fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to 
be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and 
suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has 
a fallout all of its own - for the children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight 
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22



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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

You're right. Let's go with punched cards; by mail.
On Apr 25, 2013 5:18 PM, "Kurt Buff"  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM, G.Waleed Kavalec 
> wrote:
> > Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
> >
> > Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
> >
> > Or build our own?
>
> Oh, please - not another damnable social media site...
>
> Kurt
>
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[William Robbins]

You rang?   Pretty sure Lyris kills images, I'll send you some popcorn off-list.


 - WJR


Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 16:58:08 -0400
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
From: rich...@gmail.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

WJR,
I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your response 
is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?






-Original Message-

From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]

Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

>

> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which

> will shut down at the end of this month.

>

> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

>

> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Stu



Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?



You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's the 
subscription info?



Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)



Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?



Kurt



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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
> definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)
>
> I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
> something.

It used to be much easier and much more common, and most clients and
listservs didn't make it hard to bottom post - gmail, and many others,
now make you go through stupid gyrations to make email easy and more
natural to read.

But, once your fingers learn the rhythm, it's no big deal, and it's a
lot easier for others to read and follow along.

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Clark, Tommy R]

Other than social networking sites are often blocked?

 

From: bounce-9604073-8239...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
[mailto:bounce-9604073-8239...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] On Behalf Of
G.Waleed Kavalec
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

 

Or build our own?

 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

See response below...


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent 
wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
where's the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two
reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).


Kurt

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-- 

G. Waleed Kavalec
--

"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions
and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes,
prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record,
prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless,
frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the
children, and the children yet unborn. 

And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the
Twilight Zone."

 

- Rod Serling; 

Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"

The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22


 

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:53 PM, G.Waleed Kavalec  wrote:
> Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?
>
> Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600
>
> Or build our own?

Oh, please - not another damnable social media site...

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

Oh my...that's a lot of work for both the recipient and the sender and 
definitely not the norm.  I guess we're all just doing it wrong. :)

I thought it was an email client issue, like you were using Lotus Notes or 
something.


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty lines that 
gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the message and delete the 
cruft that the list software appends to each message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way through, 
then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the reply, then bounce 
down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's easier to 
maintain conversation flow while responding to individual thoughts in the 
original post(s).

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[G.Waleed Kavalec]

Any reason we shouldn't jump into the new world?

Like https://plus.google.com/communities/105379670851238376600

Or build our own?



On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> See response below...
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> > Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> >> will shut down at the end of this month.
> >>
> >> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >>
> >> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >>
> >> Warm regards,
> >>
> >> Stu
> >
> > Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
> >
> > You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
> where's the subscription info?
> >
> > Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
> >
> > Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
> >
> > Kurt
>
> No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
> lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
> message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
> message.
>
> It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:
>
> o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
> through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
> reply, then bounce down and read the original post
>
> o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
> easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
> thoughts in the original post(s).
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ---
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--
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions
and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes,
prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record,
prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless,
frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own - for the
children, and the children yet unborn.
And the pity of it is that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight
Zone."

- Rod Serling;
Closing monologue from "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"
The Twilight Zone, Season 1, Episode 22

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> No, it's a Ben9K thing.  He doesn't believe in top posting.

  That wasn't me Rod was replying to.

  Good luck blaming that on posting styles.  :)

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>>
>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
>> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
>> Gmail thing?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>> >
>> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> > will shut down at the end of this month.
>> >
>> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>> >
>> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>> >
>> > Warm regards,
>> >
>> > Stu
>>
>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>>
>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
>> the subscription info?
>>
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>>
>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
>> handler?
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
>>   ~
>>
>> ---
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> No, it's a Ben9K thing.  He doesn't believe in top posting.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
>>
>> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
>> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
>> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
>> Gmail thing?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>> >
>> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> > will shut down at the end of this month.
>> >
>> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>> >
>> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>> >
>> > Warm regards,
>> >
>> > Stu
>>
>> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>>
>> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
>> the subscription info?
>>
>> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>>
>> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
>> handler?
>>
>> Kurt

Oh no, my preference on this long predates the advent of our esteems
colleague on this list...

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

See response below...

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:
> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
> thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your 
> response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>>
>> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
>> will shut down at the end of this month.
>>
>> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>>
>> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's 
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?
>
> Kurt

No, it's called bottom posting, and I do it by deleting the to empty
lines that gmail starts with, then CTRL-END to the bottom of the
message and delete the cruft that the list software appends to each
message.

It's (IMNSHO) the better way of pursuing a conversation, for two reasons:

o- It maintains a natural flow of reading - read the post all the way
through, then read the reply all the way through, instead of read the
reply, then bounce down and read the original post

o- If you're doing in-line replies, it's also more natural, as it's
easier to maintain conversation flow while responding to individual
thoughts in the original post(s).

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Jonathan Link]

No, it's a Ben9K thing.  He doesn't believe in top posting.


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >
> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> > will shut down at the end of this month.
> >
> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >
> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
>
> Kurt
>
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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Richard Stovall]

WJR,

I'm kinda hungry.  You bringing popcorn to this one?


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Rod Trent  wrote:

> Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it
> automatically, thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I
> realize your response is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a
> Gmail thing?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
> >
> > This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which
> > will shut down at the end of this month.
> >
> > GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
> >
> > I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> > Stu
>
> Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?
>
> You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's
> the subscription info?
>
> Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)
>
> Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list
> handler?
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ <
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>
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Re: Over and Out

[Steve Ens]

Last game tonight I think...go Habs!


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Ziots, Edward  wrote:

>  Jets= Just the end of the season… (Again…)
>
> ** **
>
> GO steelers! The drive for 7!
>
> ** **
>
> Z
>
> ** **
>
> Edward E. Ziots, CISSP, CISA, Security +, Network +
>
> Security Engineer
>
> Lifespan Organization
>
> ezi...@lifespan.org
>
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>
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>
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>
> Keep in touch on FB...go Jets!
>
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> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Clayton Doige 
> wrote:
>
> Heya folks, some of you will recognise my name, probably most won’t. I’ve
> been on this list at one email address or another since 1998, and in those
> years I have learned  so much from fellow IT Pro’s, many of you have made
> your way to my Facebook friends list! 
>
>  
>
> In my current Pre-Sales technical role  over the last 3 years I have not
> really participated on the list as I felt that to be somewhat a conflict of
> interest, where I would inevitably be tempted to say “Oh I can help with
> that” – not fair really, and not in the spirit of what this list is all
> about.
>
>  
>
> With that in mind, and the changing of the hosting Stu has just announced,
> I have decided not to move over, so just wanted to say do reach out to me
> on Facebook/Linked In if you want (the name Clayton Doige is very easy to
> find on  both lol).
>
>  
>
> Thanks for you longer termers for helping me do my job better, and
> schooling me on so many things, and for providing good source of laughter
> at times as well. Thanks Stu for creating such a valuable source if
> information, support and encouragement.
>
>  
>
> Best regards, and Over and Out!
>
>  
>
> Clayton
>
> Citrix - AppDNA
>
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

Every time I see your messages come through I almost delete it automatically, 
thinking someone accidentally hit Send too soon.  Then, I realize your response 
is *under* the original text.  Tricky.  Is that a Gmail thing?


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 4:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, which 
> will shut down at the end of this month.
>
> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Stu

Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so, where's the 
subscription info?

Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?

Kurt

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Michael B. Smith]

Can't whip up a function until I know how to do it meself...

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Web-

Call MBS and he'll whip you up a function

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Do we need to do something?

Thanks


Webster

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GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

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Warm regards,

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[John Cook]

In Powershell!

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Free, Bob [mailto:r...@pge.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Web-

Call MBS and he'll whip you up a function

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 12:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Do we need to do something?

Thanks


Webster

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To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



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RE: Over and Out

[Ziots, Edward]

Jets= Just the end of the season... (Again...)

GO steelers! The drive for 7!

Z

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From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Over and Out

Keep in touch on FB...go Jets!

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Clayton Doige 
mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Heya folks, some of you will recognise my name, probably most won't. I've been 
on this list at one email address or another since 1998, and in those years I 
have learned  so much from fellow IT Pro's, many of you have made your way to 
my Facebook friends list!

In my current Pre-Sales technical role  over the last 3 years I have not really 
participated on the list as I felt that to be somewhat a conflict of interest, 
where I would inevitably be tempted to say "Oh I can help with that" - not fair 
really, and not in the spirit of what this list is all about.

With that in mind, and the changing of the hosting Stu has just announced, I 
have decided not to move over, so just wanted to say do reach out to me on 
Facebook/Linked In if you want (the name Clayton Doige is very easy to find on  
both lol).

Thanks for you longer termers for helping me do my job better, and schooling me 
on so many things, and for providing good source of laughter at times as well. 
Thanks Stu for creating such a valuable source if information, support and 
encouragement.

Best regards, and Over and Out!

Clayton
Citrix - AppDNA

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Re: Over and Out

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Clayton Doige  wrote:
> Heya folks, some of you will recognise my name, probably most won’t. I’ve
> been on this list at one email address or another since 1998, and in those
> years I have learned  so much from fellow IT Pro’s, many of you have made
> your way to my Facebook friends list!

I recognize your name, but haven't seen you in a while.

> In my current Pre-Sales technical role  over the last 3 years I have not
> really participated on the list as I felt that to be somewhat a conflict of
> interest, where I would inevitably be tempted to say “Oh I can help with
> that” – not fair really, and not in the spirit of what this list is all
> about.

pish and tosh - technical disucssion is technical discussion, and
vendor bias can be disclaimed and accepted or rejected by the
conversants. Don't let that stop you. The community is valuable.

> With that in mind, and the changing of the hosting Stu has just announced, I
> have decided not to move over, so just wanted to say do reach out to me on
> Facebook/Linked In if you want (the name Clayton Doige is very easy to find
> on  both lol).

I don't do FB, but will have to look you up on LI.

> Thanks for you longer termers for helping me do my job better, and schooling
> me on so many things, and for providing good source of laughter at times as
> well. Thanks Stu for creating such a valuable source if information, support
> and encouragement.

Good luck, whatever your decisions, and good to hear from you again.

Kurt

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Kurt Buff]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:44 AM,   wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
> which will shut down at the end of this month.
>
> GFI will confirm this with a separate message.
>
> I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Stu

Continuity? That is, will the archives migrate too?

You say "invited" does this mean I have to do a new signup? If so,
where's the subscription info?

Can you ban the "indeed" when used as a single word response? :)

Will you finally migrate to mailman so that we can have a sane list handler?

Kurt

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Re: Over and Out

[Richard Stovall]

Safe travels, adios, Godspeed, so long, and thanks for all the fish!


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Clayton Doige wrote:

> Heya folks, some of you will recognise my name, probably most won’t. I’ve
> been on this list at one email address or another since 1998, and in those
> years I have learned  so much from fellow IT Pro’s, many of you have made
> your way to my Facebook friends list! 
>
> ** **
>
> In my current Pre-Sales technical role  over the last 3 years I have not
> really participated on the list as I felt that to be somewhat a conflict of
> interest, where I would inevitably be tempted to say “Oh I can help with
> that” – not fair really, and not in the spirit of what this list is all
> about.
>
> ** **
>
> With that in mind, and the changing of the hosting Stu has just announced,
> I have decided not to move over, so just wanted to say do reach out to me
> on Facebook/Linked In if you want (the name Clayton Doige is very easy to
> find on  both lol).
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for you longer termers for helping me do my job better, and
> schooling me on so many things, and for providing good source of laughter
> at times as well. Thanks Stu for creating such a valuable source if
> information, support and encouragement.
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards, and Over and Out!
>
> ** **
>
> Clayton
>
> Citrix - AppDNA
>
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Re: Over and Out

[Don Ely]

See ya around...


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Clayton Doige wrote:

> Heya folks, some of you will recognise my name, probably most won’t. I’ve
> been on this list at one email address or another since 1998, and in those
> years I have learned  so much from fellow IT Pro’s, many of you have made
> your way to my Facebook friends list! 
>
> ** **
>
> In my current Pre-Sales technical role  over the last 3 years I have not
> really participated on the list as I felt that to be somewhat a conflict of
> interest, where I would inevitably be tempted to say “Oh I can help with
> that” – not fair really, and not in the spirit of what this list is all
> about.
>
> ** **
>
> With that in mind, and the changing of the hosting Stu has just announced,
> I have decided not to move over, so just wanted to say do reach out to me
> on Facebook/Linked In if you want (the name Clayton Doige is very easy to
> find on  both lol).
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for you longer termers for helping me do my job better, and
> schooling me on so many things, and for providing good source of laughter
> at times as well. Thanks Stu for creating such a valuable source if
> information, support and encouragement.
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards, and Over and Out!
>
> ** **
>
> Clayton
>
> Citrix - AppDNA
>
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Re: Over and Out

[Steve Ens]

Keep in touch on FB...go Jets!


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Clayton Doige wrote:

> Heya folks, some of you will recognise my name, probably most won’t. I’ve
> been on this list at one email address or another since 1998, and in those
> years I have learned  so much from fellow IT Pro’s, many of you have made
> your way to my Facebook friends list! 
>
> ** **
>
> In my current Pre-Sales technical role  over the last 3 years I have not
> really participated on the list as I felt that to be somewhat a conflict of
> interest, where I would inevitably be tempted to say “Oh I can help with
> that” – not fair really, and not in the spirit of what this list is all
> about.
>
> ** **
>
> With that in mind, and the changing of the hosting Stu has just announced,
> I have decided not to move over, so just wanted to say do reach out to me
> on Facebook/Linked In if you want (the name Clayton Doige is very easy to
> find on  both lol).
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks for you longer termers for helping me do my job better, and
> schooling me on so many things, and for providing good source of laughter
> at times as well. Thanks Stu for creating such a valuable source if
> information, support and encouragement.
>
> ** **
>
> Best regards, and Over and Out!
>
> ** **
>
> Clayton
>
> Citrix - AppDNA
>
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RE: Over and Out

[Guyer, Don]

Good luck CD!

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
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From: Clayton Doige [mailto:clayton.do...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Over and Out

Heya folks, some of you will recognise my name, probably most won't. I've been 
on this list at one email address or another since 1998, and in those years I 
have learned  so much from fellow IT Pro's, many of you have made your way to 
my Facebook friends list!

In my current Pre-Sales technical role  over the last 3 years I have not really 
participated on the list as I felt that to be somewhat a conflict of interest, 
where I would inevitably be tempted to say "Oh I can help with that" - not fair 
really, and not in the spirit of what this list is all about.

With that in mind, and the changing of the hosting Stu has just announced, I 
have decided not to move over, so just wanted to say do reach out to me on 
Facebook/Linked In if you want (the name Clayton Doige is very easy to find on  
both lol).

Thanks for you longer termers for helping me do my job better, and schooling me 
on so many things, and for providing good source of laughter at times as well. 
Thanks Stu for creating such a valuable source if information, support and 
encouragement.

Best regards, and Over and Out!

Clayton
Citrix - AppDNA

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RE: Startup processes

[Free, Bob]

It essentially delays presentation of the gina/desktop till startup and GPO 
processing complete.

Windows clients XP and above support Fast Logon Optimization in a domain 
environment. To turn off Fast Logon Optimization, you can use the policy 
setting.

With logon optimization-

Policy settings apply asynchronously when the computer starts and when the user 
signs in. As a result, Windows 8, Windows 7, Windows Vista, and Windows XP do 
not wait for the network to be fully initialized at startup and sign-in. 
Existing users are logged on by using cached credentials. This results in 
shorter logon times. Group Policy is applied in the background after the 
network becomes available.

Without-

Windows waits for the network to be fully initialized before users are logged 
on. This results in the synchronous application of policies when the computer 
starts and when the user logs on. This application of policies resembles a 
background refresh process and can increase the time that is required for the 
Logon dialog box to display and the time that is required for the shell to be 
available to the user.

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

I thought that setting just delayed GPO processing?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
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From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Startup processes

Actually hang on, is that right? It delays all the services until the network 
is available? That might work - but then if no network is available, does it 
start those services at all?

On 25 April 2013 14:22, N Parr 
mailto:npar...@mortonind.com>> wrote:
GPO  - Always wait for the network at computer startup.
Would this setting work for you, it won't let any other services start until 
the network is available.  Most people turn in on anyway because it solves a 
lot of other issues.


-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes
On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.
TIA,


JR


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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Rod Trent]

That worked!  Brilliant.

 

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

Click your heels together three times and say "I wish I were subscribed". 

 

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Webster mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com> > wrote:

Do we need to do something?

 

Thanks

 

 

Webster

 

From: s...@knowbe4.com   [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com
 ] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:45 PM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com  


Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

Hi All,

 

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 

 

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 

which will shut down at the end of this month.  

 

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

 

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 

 

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[kz20fl]

Yeah, try +1 :-)

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-Original Message-
From: "Phil Hershey" 
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 12:21:38 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: ALERT :  NTSYSADMIN LIST 
MIGRATION

Stu,

 

Not seeing anything on the KnowBe3.com website that looks like The List.
Do you have a link we need to follow?

 

 

 

-Philip Hershey

 

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From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

Hi All,

 

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 

 

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 

which will shut down at the end of this month.  

 

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

 

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 

 

Warm regards,

 

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[John Cook]

You need to move up the line to the know B4 site ;-)

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: Phil Hershey [mailto:phers...@agia.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 3:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

Stu,

Not seeing anything on the KnowBe3.com website that looks like The List.  Do 
you have a link we need to follow?



-Philip Hershey

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Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



Hi All,

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which will shut down at the end of this month.

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Phil Hershey]

Stu,

 

Not seeing anything on the KnowBe3.com website that looks like The List.
Do you have a link we need to follow?

 

 

 

-Philip Hershey

 

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From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:45 AM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

 

 

Hi All,

 

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4. 

 

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI, 

which will shut down at the end of this month.  

 

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

 

I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from KnowBe4. 

 

Warm regards,

 

Stu


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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Webster]

Do we need to do something?

Thanks


Webster

From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 1:45 PM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



Hi All,

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which will shut down at the end of this month.

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

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Warm regards,

Stu

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:44 PM,   wrote:
> You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.
>
> This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
> which will shut down at the end of this month.

The list is dead!  Long live the list!

-- Ben

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Re: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[kz20fl]

Does this include the feature of "messages posting within half an hour of 
sending them"? :-)

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From: s...@knowbe4.com
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 14:44:58 
To: 
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: ALERT :  NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION


    
Hi All, 
    
You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by 
KnowBe4.   
    
This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software 
/ GFI,  
which will shut down at the end of this month.  

    
GFI will confirm this with a separate message.  
    
I will continue to moderate the NTSYSADMIN list from 
KnowBe4.   
    
Warm regards,   
    
Stu  
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RE: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION

[John Cook]

As I don't see anything on the site it might be helpful to outline the process.

 John W. Cook
Network Operations Manager
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

From: s...@knowbe4.com [mailto:s...@knowbe4.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 2:45 PM
To: lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: ALERT : NTSYSADMIN LIST MIGRATION



Hi All,

You are invited to the new NTSYSADMIN list hosted by KnowBe4.

This replaces the Lyris list hosted by Sunbelt Software / GFI,
which will shut down at the end of this month.

GFI will confirm this with a separate message.

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Warm regards,

Stu



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RE: DFS shows up empty for some users but not others

[Miller Bonnie L .]

Check permissions on those root share locations, both NTFS and sharing.  
Shouldn't matter that the folder paths are different, but if one has good 
permissions and the other is missing something, that doesn't replicate and 
could cause this sort of anomaly.

-Bonnie

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: DFS shows up empty for some users but not others

Has anyone seen this before? It doesn't seem to follow a distinguishable 
pattern. One DFS server is 2008 R2, the other is SBS2011. Clients are XP and 
Win7.

Google-fu has been unsuccessful.  Replication is not an issue, it's clients 
that try to get to 
\\mydomain.local\DFS-Share.

>From the SBS2011 server:
\\Servername\DFSShare = Empty
\\mydomain.local\DFSShare = Empty
E:\DFSRRoot\DFSShare = populated

>From the 2008 R2 server
\\Servername\DFSShare = Populated
\\mydomain.local\DFSShare = Populated
E:\DFSShare = populated

>From an XP machine and some Win7 machines
\\Servername\DFSShare = Populated
\\mydomain.local\DFSShare = Populated

>From other Win7 machines:
\\Servername\DFSShare = Empty
\\mydomain.local\DFSShare = Empty

Per some searching, it might matter that on the 2K8R2 the root DFS share is  
E:\DFSShare and on the SBS server it's E:\DFSRRoot\DFSShare.

Anyone?
David Lum
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R: [OT] Twitter password security

[HELP_PC]

Nice , but 

I am not on Twitter

I started to write a password invented at the moment and I got an IDIOT 
statement !

Guido Elia

HELPPC - HELPPC SERVICE

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: giovedì 25 aprile 2013 14.01
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: [OT] Twitter password security

  With all the high-profile account hijacks on Twitter, this site may
be useful to distribute to people:

http://www.ismytwitterpasswordsecure.com/

  Also has some applicability to other sites.

  And yes, I assure you, it's safe to use.

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Re: Startup processes

[James Rankin]

You knowthe answer for this has been in my possession all along, in a
snippet someone emailed to me for inclusion in my "configuration library"
online.

The point I've been missing, Homer Simpson style, is that I was looking to
verify that the endpoint is connected to "any" network - when in fact if
they are wanting to copy files and folders, etc., surely that indicates
they need to verify that they are on the "corporate" networkmassive
facepalm just hit me :-(

So all I need to do is leverage the bit of PS I was sent and change it to
my own requirements. I think this checks to see if a physical NIC is
connected and if it can connect to a DC, and then writes the results to a
logshouldn't be too hard to adapt...

Thanks for the discussion which certainly made me think things thru
properly :-)

function writeevent() {
if ($args[0] -eq "-h") {
Write-Host "usage: writeevent   > "
break
}
#count the arguments
if ($args.count -lt 4)
{
write-host "Error calling writeevent. Too few arguments. use option -h
to see help" -foregroundcolor "red"
break
}
trap
{ # this installs an error handler for the function
write-host "Error writing to eventlog:" $_.Exception.GetType().FullName
+ $_.Exception.Message
continue; # exiting a trap with "continue" says to continue on the next
line of the script
}

$source = $args[0]
$type = $args[1]
$eventid = $args[2]
$msg = $args[3]
#Create the source, if it does not already exist.
if(![System.Diagnostics.EventLog]::SourceExists($source))
{
[System.Diagnostics.EventLog]::CreateEventSource($source,'Application')
 $logfile = 'Application'
}
else
{
$logfile =
[System.Diagnostics.EventLog]::LogNameFromSourceName($source,'.')
 #write-host "Source exists and is registered in the $logfile Log"
}
 #Check if Event Type is correct
   switch ($type)
   {
  "Information" {}
  "Warning" {}
  "Error" {}
  default {"Event type is invalid";exit}
   }
   $log = New-Object System.Diagnostics.EventLog
   $log.set_log($logfile)
   $log.set_source($source)
   $log.WriteEntry($msg,$type,$eventid)
}

#Check if the condition has already been run
If ($env:_EMPNetworkStatus -eq "LANConnect")
{
write-output "Network connection is ready: Check has already been run"
writeevent "WaitForNetworkScript" Information 2 "Network connection is
ready: Check has already been run"
exit 0
}

#Get All physical network adapter which are connected
$connected_physical_nics = Get-WmiObject Win32_NetworkAdapter | `
where {$_.AdapterType -eq "Ethernet 802.3" `
-and $_.PNPDeviceID -match 'PCI' `
-and $_.NetConnectionStatus -eq 2}

#If an adapter is found, we assume client is in corporate network
If ($connected_physical_nics)
{
#Get the current DC
$currentDC = ([ADSI]“LDAP://RootDSE”).dnshostname
#test connection to DC
$i = 0
While (!$connrst)
{
$connrst = Test-Connection -computername $currentDC -Count 1 -ea
SilentlyContinue
$i += 1
If (!$connrst -and $i -ge 15)
{
#Timeout, we exit
write-output "Timeout, we exit the script"
writeevent "WaitForNetworkScript" Warning 1 "Timeout, network
connection not ready: Error while trying to reach DC: $currentDC"
exit 1
}
start-sleep -s 1
}
write-output "Network connection is ready: connected DC: $currentDC"
writeevent "WaitForNetworkScript" Information 0 "Network connection is
ready: connected DC: $currentDC"
[ENVIRONMENT]::SetEnvironmentVariable("_EMPNetworkStatus",
"LANConnect", "MACHINE")
exit 0
}
Else
{
write-warning "Network is disconnected"
writeevent "WaitForNetworkScript" Warning 3 "Network is disconnected"
   [ENVIRONMENT]::SetEnvironmentVariable("_EMPNetworkStatus",
"Disconnected", "MACHINE")
exit 1
}


On 25 April 2013 15:33, James Rankin  wrote:

> That's what I thoughtresearch seems to concur. Delaying the startup of
> certain services might have let me delay the processing long enough for the
> network to connect :-(
>
>
> On 25 April 2013 15:09, Guyer, Don  wrote:
>
>> I thought that setting just delayed GPO processing?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *Don Guyer**
>> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>>
>> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
>> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>>
>> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>>
>> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
>>
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>> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.*
>>
>> [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:37 AM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Startup processes
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Actually hang on, is that right? It delays all the services un

RE: Startup processes

[Webster]

MBS has a test-ping function here:

http://theessentialexchange.com/blogs/michael/archive/2012/04/10/enumerating-networks-and-building-routes-with-powershell.aspx

Thanks


Webster

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

If you need powershell "ping", let me know.

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Re: Startup processes

[James Rankin]

That's what I thoughtresearch seems to concur. Delaying the startup of
certain services might have let me delay the processing long enough for the
network to connect :-(


On 25 April 2013 15:09, Guyer, Don  wrote:

> I thought that setting just delayed GPO processing?
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
> *Don Guyer**
> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>
> Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
> 3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
>
> email: *dgu...@che.org*
>
> Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
>
> *For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the
> helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.*
>
> [image: Description: Description: Description: InfoService-Logo240]
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:37 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Startup processes
>
> ** **
>
> Actually hang on, is that right? It delays all the services until the
> network is available? That might work - but then if *no *network is
> available, does it start those services at all?
>
> ** **
>
> On 25 April 2013 14:22, N Parr  wrote:
>
> GPO  - Always wait for the network at computer startup.
> Would this setting work for you, it won't let any other services start
> until the network is available.  Most people turn in on anyway because it
> solves a lot of other issues.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Startup processes
>
> On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will
> only run if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange
> requirement and I need to be able to tell when the network is available, if
> possible.
>
> TIA,
>
>
> JR
>
>
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RE: Startup processes

[Kennedy, Jim]

+1

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 10:32 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

I thought that setting just delayed GPO processing?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
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From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Startup processes

Actually hang on, is that right? It delays all the services until the network 
is available? That might work - but then if no network is available, does it 
start those services at all?

On 25 April 2013 14:22, N Parr 
mailto:npar...@mortonind.com>> wrote:
GPO  - Always wait for the network at computer startup.
Would this setting work for you, it won't let any other services start until 
the network is available.  Most people turn in on anyway because it solves a 
lot of other issues.


-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes
On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.
TIA,


JR


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Re: Startup processes

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:35 AM, James Rankin  wrote:
> I'd think that it would be the ability to copy files and folders from a 
> remote location that
> would be the definition required in this case.

  You could do an "IF EXIST \\server\share\path\file.txt ..." (or the
moral equivalent in your scripting language of choice) then.  Make
sure that script is asynchronous from the rest of computer startup, or
the startup will hang waiting for a while if the network isn't up.

  If you want to loop/retry, suggest using a SLEEP call (or
equivalent) to suspend the process for a minute or three.  That's a
lot less rude than spinning in a loop, and a lot less kludgy than
ping'ing an invalid address.

> Basically I have a lot of clients who insist on using the Computer Startup
> trigger to do things (like copy files and folders to the endpoint).

  Consider using standard Group Policy for that.  GP
scripts/preferences don't run if the network isn't working (which, in
this case, I think means, "Can files be read from SYSVOL on a DC?").

-- Ben

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RE: Startup processes

[Guyer, Don]

I thought of that but, also thought maybe they didn't.

: )

Regards,

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Catholic Health East - Information Technology
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[cid:image001.jpg@01CE419E.270106E0]

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

A lot of us Disable the Computer Browser service on non domain controllers 
unless it is absolutely necessary to have it running.

Thanks


Webster

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

How about a Service starting up, like Workstation or Computer Browser?


From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Startup processes

I probably could.just I have a built-in Process Started trigger so it would 
have been easier if there was a particular process that couldn't exist without 
network connectivity.
The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time for 
the network to connect, if it's going to. Again, trigger by process would be so 
much simpler, but if it's not possible, I will have to look at a scripted 
routine.

On 25 April 2013 14:12, Joseph L. Casale 
mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote:
If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
Lookup the gateway and ping it...

From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.


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RE: Startup processes

[Webster]

All of that can be done with PowerShell and Test-Connection.

Thanks


Webster

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Subject: Re: Startup processes

I do love a bit of batch scripting :-)
Unfortunately I can only use JScript (!), VBScript or PowerShell in my console, 
but it could be adapted with a bit of time and effort. If nothing simpler turns 
up, it'll definitely be something like this I will use.



On 25 April 2013 14:23, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
" The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time for 
the network to connect"

:START
PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL
IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL

:FAIL
ping 192.0.2.2 -n 1 -w 1 > nul  (or some other non-existent address, will 
wait for 10 seconds)
goto :START

:SUCCESS
Run your process
:END

Might want to add a counter in there, so it exits after a certain number of 
tries. Set the whole thing as a startup scheduled task.

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RE: Startup processes

[Guyer, Don]

I thought that setting just delayed GPO processing?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
Enterprise Directory & Messaging Services
3805 West Chester Pike, Suite 100, Newtown Square, Pa  19073
email: dgu...@che.org
Office:  610.550.3595 | Cell: 610.955.6528 | Fax: 610.271.9440
For immediate assistance, please open a Service Desk ticket or call the 
helpdesk @ 610-492-3839.
[cid:image001.jpg@01CE419D.0B255530]

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Startup processes

Actually hang on, is that right? It delays all the services until the network 
is available? That might work - but then if no network is available, does it 
start those services at all?

On 25 April 2013 14:22, N Parr 
mailto:npar...@mortonind.com>> wrote:
GPO  - Always wait for the network at computer startup.
Would this setting work for you, it won't let any other services start until 
the network is available.  Most people turn in on anyway because it solves a 
lot of other issues.


-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes
On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.
TIA,


JR


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RE: Startup processes

[Michael B. Smith]

If you need powershell "ping", let me know.

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Startup processes

I do love a bit of batch scripting :-)
Unfortunately I can only use JScript (!), VBScript or PowerShell in my console, 
but it could be adapted with a bit of time and effort. If nothing simpler turns 
up, it'll definitely be something like this I will use.

Cheers,



JR

On 25 April 2013 14:23, Kennedy, Jim 
mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org>> wrote:
" The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time for 
the network to connect"

:START
PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL
IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL

:FAIL
ping 192.0.2.2 -n 1 -w 1 > nul  (or some other non-existent address, will 
wait for 10 seconds)
goto :START

:SUCCESS
Run your process
:END

Might want to add a counter in there, so it exits after a certain number of 
tries. Set the whole thing as a startup scheduled task.



-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

Along Joseph's linesif you can control the process you are running on 
startup from a command line.


ECHO Checking connection, please wait...
PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL
IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL

:FAIL
Goto :End (or whatever you want to do)

:SUCCESS
Run your process
:END






-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale 
[mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
Lookup the gateway and ping it...

From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.

TIA,


JR


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RE: Startup processes

[Webster]

See if this can help lead you in the proper direction for more research.

http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/11341.the-windows-7-boot-process-sbsl.aspx

Thanks


Webster


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> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Startup processes
> 
> On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only
> run if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement
> and I need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> 
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RE: Startup processes

[Webster]

A lot of us Disable the Computer Browser service on non domain controllers 
unless it is absolutely necessary to have it running.

Thanks


Webster

From: Guyer, Don [mailto:dgu...@che.org]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

How about a Service starting up, like Workstation or Computer Browser?


From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Startup processes

I probably could.just I have a built-in Process Started trigger so it would 
have been easier if there was a particular process that couldn't exist without 
network connectivity.
The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time for 
the network to connect, if it's going to. Again, trigger by process would be so 
much simpler, but if it's not possible, I will have to look at a scripted 
routine.

On 25 April 2013 14:12, Joseph L. Casale 
mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote:
If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
Lookup the gateway and ping it...

From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.



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Re: Startup processes

[James Rankin]

Workstation would be good, but unfortunately they all run in the
svchost.exe process

I could check for them via a scripted mechanism though. Workstation service
deals with accessing shares doesn't it, and server deals with making shares
availablemight be some mileage there


On 25 April 2013 14:32, Guyer, Don  wrote:

> How about a Service starting up, like Workstation or Computer Browser?
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> * *
>
> *Don Guyer**
> **Catholic Health East - Information Technology*
>
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>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:17 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Startup processes
>
> ** **
>
> I probably could.just I have a built-in Process Started trigger so it
> would have been easier if there was a particular process that couldn't
> exist without network connectivity.
>
> The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time
> for the network to connect, if it's going to. Again, trigger by process
> would be so much simpler, but if it's not possible, I will have to look at
> a scripted routine.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> JR
>
> ** **
>
> On 25 April 2013 14:12, Joseph L. Casale 
> wrote:
>
> If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
> Lookup the gateway and ping it...
> 
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Startup processes
>
>
> On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will
> only run if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange
> requirement and I need to be able to tell when the network is available, if
> possible.
>
> TIA,
>
>
> JR
>
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Re: Startup processes

[James Rankin]

I do love a bit of batch scripting :-)

Unfortunately I can only use JScript (!), VBScript or PowerShell in my
console, but it could be adapted with a bit of time and effort. If nothing
simpler turns up, it'll definitely be something like this I will use.

Cheers,



JR


On 25 April 2013 14:23, Kennedy, Jim  wrote:

> " The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time
> for the network to connect"
>
>
> :START
> PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL
> IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
> IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL
>
> :FAIL
> ping 192.0.2.2 -n 1 -w 1 > nul  (or some other non-existent address,
> will wait for 10 seconds)
> goto :START
>
> :SUCCESS
> Run your process
> :END
>
>
> Might want to add a counter in there, so it exits after a certain number
> of tries. Set the whole thing as a startup scheduled task.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kennedy, Jim
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:19 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Startup processes
>
> Along Joseph's linesif you can control the process you are running on
> startup from a command line.
>
>
> ECHO Checking connection, please wait...
> PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL
> IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
> IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL
>
> :FAIL
> Goto :End (or whatever you want to do)
>
> :SUCCESS
> Run your process
> :END
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:14 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Startup processes
>
> If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
> Lookup the gateway and ping it...
> 
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Startup processes
>
> On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will
> only run if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange
> requirement and I need to be able to tell when the network is available, if
> possible.
>
> TIA,
>
>
> JR
>
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Re: Startup processes

[James Rankin]

Actually hang on, is that right? It delays all the services until the
network is available? That might work - but then if *no *network is
available, does it start those services at all?


On 25 April 2013 14:22, N Parr  wrote:

> GPO  - Always wait for the network at computer startup.
> Would this setting work for you, it won't let any other services start
> until the network is available.  Most people turn in on anyway because it
> solves a lot of other issues.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Startup processes
>
> On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will
> only run if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange
> requirement and I need to be able to tell when the network is available, if
> possible.
>
> TIA,
>
>
> JR
>
>
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Re: Startup processes

[James Rankin]

Sadly that would just not process any GPO actions that are dependent on
network connectivity. I'm not using GPOs for this (well, not in the
traditional way, I do leverage some), so it's a non-starter, unfortunately.


On 25 April 2013 14:22, N Parr  wrote:

> GPO  - Always wait for the network at computer startup.
> Would this setting work for you, it won't let any other services start
> until the network is available.  Most people turn in on anyway because it
> solves a lot of other issues.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Startup processes
>
> On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will
> only run if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange
> requirement and I need to be able to tell when the network is available, if
> possible.
>
> TIA,
>
>
> JR
>
>
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Re: Startup processes

[James Rankin]

I'd think that it would be the ability to copy files and folders from a
remote location that would be the definition required in this case.

Basically I have a lot of clients who insist on using the Computer Startup
trigger to do things (like copy files and folders to the endpoint).
However, if these actions kick in before network connectivity is
established to the level it can do these, then the actions fail. Pinging a
default gateway would be doable - but again, if the network hasn't started
to that level, I'm going to be recording a fail and skipping the actions
just because they're being triggered at too early a time.

So the other trigger I have is Process Started, which will only kick off
the dependent Actions when a certain process starts. Which is why I was
hoping there might be a specific process that can't exist without network
connectivity - but it's not looking hopeful.

Cheers,



JR


On 25 April 2013 14:19, Ben Scott  wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:11 AM,   wrote:
> > On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will
> only run if there
> > is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I
> need to be able to
> > tell when the network is available, if possible.
>
>   Define "network connectivity".  Layer two link up?  Has an IP
> address?  Has a default route?  Can ping the default gateway?  Can
> reach an arbitrary host on the Internet?  Can do lookups against the
> Active Directory Domain Controller?  Can ping your AppSense server?
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RE: Startup processes

[Guyer, Don]

How about a Service starting up, like Workstation or Computer Browser?

Regards,

Don Guyer
Catholic Health East - Information Technology
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From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:17 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Startup processes

I probably could.just I have a built-in Process Started trigger so it would 
have been easier if there was a particular process that couldn't exist without 
network connectivity.
The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time for 
the network to connect, if it's going to. Again, trigger by process would be so 
much simpler, but if it's not possible, I will have to look at a scripted 
routine.

Cheers,



JR

On 25 April 2013 14:12, Joseph L. Casale 
mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com>> wrote:
If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
Lookup the gateway and ping it...

From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.

TIA,


JR


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RE: Startup processes

[Kennedy, Jim]

IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESSshould be on it's own line.  Darn word 
wrap.

-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

Along Joseph's linesif you can control the process you are running on 
startup from a command line.


ECHO Checking connection, please wait...
PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL

:FAIL
Goto :End (or whatever you want to do)

:SUCCESS
Run your process
:END






-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
Lookup the gateway and ping it...

From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.

TIA,


JR


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RE: Startup processes

[Kennedy, Jim]

" The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time for 
the network to connect"


:START
PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL
IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL

:FAIL
ping 192.0.2.2 -n 1 -w 1 > nul  (or some other non-existent address, will 
wait for 10 seconds)
goto :START

:SUCCESS
Run your process
:END


Might want to add a counter in there, so it exits after a certain number of 
tries. Set the whole thing as a startup scheduled task.



-Original Message-
From: Kennedy, Jim 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

Along Joseph's linesif you can control the process you are running on 
startup from a command line.


ECHO Checking connection, please wait...
PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL
IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL

:FAIL
Goto :End (or whatever you want to do)

:SUCCESS
Run your process
:END






-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
Lookup the gateway and ping it...

From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.

TIA,


JR


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RE: Startup processes

[N Parr]

GPO  - Always wait for the network at computer startup.
Would this setting work for you, it won't let any other services start until 
the network is available.  Most people turn in on anyway because it solves a 
lot of other issues.


-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 7:12 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.

TIA,


JR


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Re: Startup processes

[Ben Scott]

On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:11 AM,   wrote:
> On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only 
> run if there
> is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I need to 
> be able to
> tell when the network is available, if possible.

  Define "network connectivity".  Layer two link up?  Has an IP
address?  Has a default route?  Can ping the default gateway?  Can
reach an arbitrary host on the Internet?  Can do lookups against the
Active Directory Domain Controller?  Can ping your AppSense server?

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RE: Startup processes

[Kennedy, Jim]

Along Joseph's linesif you can control the process you are running on 
startup from a command line.


ECHO Checking connection, please wait...
PING -n 1 192.168.1.1|find "Reply from " >NUL
IF NOT ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :SUCCESS
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto :FAIL

:FAIL
Goto :End (or whatever you want to do)

:SUCCESS
Run your process
:END






-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Startup processes

If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
Lookup the gateway and ping it...

From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.

TIA,


JR


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Re: Startup processes

[James Rankin]

I probably could.just I have a built-in Process Started trigger so it
would have been easier if there was a particular process that couldn't
exist without network connectivity.

The other problem I've got is looping the routine enough to give it time
for the network to connect, if it's going to. Again, trigger by process
would be so much simpler, but if it's not possible, I will have to look at
a scripted routine.

Cheers,



JR


On 25 April 2013 14:12, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:

> If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
> Lookup the gateway and ping it...
> 
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Startup processes
>
> On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will
> only run if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange
> requirement and I need to be able to tell when the network is available, if
> possible.
>
> TIA,
>
>
> JR
>
>
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RE: Startup processes

[Joseph L. Casale]

If you can query for the process, can you not query the network?
Lookup the gateway and ping it...

From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 6:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Startup processes

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.

TIA,


JR


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Re: When is a domain admin not a domain admin

[Hank .]

I have seen the same thing on the few SBS I deal with. The fix that worked
for me was move that user out of the structure  SBS uses (my business or
something like that) into where you usually find them in AD.


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Graeme Carstairs wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I hvae inherited a site, that was once SBS 2003 and is now SBS 2008.
> The *domain\*administrator account appears to have full access ot all
> servers, pc's etc as expected
>
> But
>
> If I set-up another user account with the exact same group membership as
> the *domain\* administrator account it doesn't
>
> Whilst you can install software etc, there are somethings you cant do,
> like running SQL scripts ont here SQL server.
>
> Install certain software that makes unusual changes to the registry, like
> there is one type of permission or group memebership blocked.
>
> e.g. Sage 200 Client installing as *domain\*administrator then no
> problem, but installing as a copied account *domain*\admin2 it fails and
> the Sage support shows that it is being denied access to the registry.
>
> Also WSUS, detaching the database to copy to another drive and reattach,
> using admin2
> detach works and you can move it but it wont attach as permissions failure,
> * *domain*\administrator * it works fine.
>
> I have looked htrough the GPOS etc and made sure they were members of the
> same groups but cannot see anyreason why.
>
>
> This is across all client PC's and Servers..
>
>
>
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Startup processes

[kz20fl]

On a Windows system, is there a process that runs on startup that will only run 
if there is network connectivity present? I've got a strange requirement and I 
need to be able to tell when the network is available, if possible.

TIA,


JR


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Re: When is a domain admin not a domain admin

[kz20fl]

SQL security is different, is the builtin Admin denied some rights in SQL 
Management Studio?

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-Original Message-
From: Graeme Carstairs 
Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 11:03:13 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: When is a domain admin not a 
domain admin

Hi,

I hvae inherited a site, that was once SBS 2003 and is now SBS 2008.
The *domain\*administrator account appears to have full access ot all
servers, pc's etc as expected

But

If I set-up another user account with the exact same group membership as
the *domain\* administrator account it doesn't

Whilst you can install software etc, there are somethings you cant do, like
running SQL scripts ont here SQL server.

Install certain software that makes unusual changes to the registry, like
there is one type of permission or group memebership blocked.

e.g. Sage 200 Client installing as *domain\*administrator then no problem,
but installing as a copied account *domain*\admin2 it fails and the Sage
support shows that it is being denied access to the registry.

Also WSUS, detaching the database to copy to another drive and reattach,
using admin2
detach works and you can move it but it wont attach as permissions failure,*
 *domain*\administrator * it works fine.

I have looked htrough the GPOS etc and made sure they were members of the
same groups but cannot see anyreason why.


This is across all client PC's and Servers..




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