RE: OT?: Moving an old VMWare set
Just curiosity at work here but six hosts seems disproportionately high for 30 VM's if those 30 VM's already run on a pair of ageing ESX 3.5 boxes? From: Richard McClary [richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: 29 November 2012 4:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT?: Moving an old VMWare set Greetings! I know I really need to investigate VMWare support (shall do so), but in case anyone else has encountered this… We are about to retire an old VMWare system and replace it with newer hardware. Current system: IBM x3650s (two), ESX 3.5, 3 ethernet ports (two for LAN, 1 for management), two fiber channel HBAs to datastore IBM DS3400 SAN; 4 HBAs (2 to each ESX server) The plan is to replace this completely with six IBM x3650M4s running ESXi 5, and iSCSI connections to a NetApp datastore. The problem: we have about 30 VMs on the DS3400, several of which are mission-critical (domain controllers, time clocks, etc). I thought it would be possible to add additional NICs to the current servers, use those for an iSCSI connection to the NetAPP, configure a datastore on the NetApp, and then have the VMWare software copy of move the VM files from the old datastore to the new one. It was pointed out to me, though, that the DS3400 is on a fiber channel equivalent of one VLAN, and the NetApp would be on another VLAN. StorageMotion would not work. Anyone out there ever encounter (and solve) this? Thanks… -- richard The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Lease requiring warranty on all hardware?
The ones we've used usually don't care with the caveat that they want working kit returned at the end of the lease, whether it's kept working by warrantee or because you paid to replace it when it broke out of warranty is up to you. I suspect it varies though. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 19 September 2012 15:29 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Lease requiring warranty on all hardware? Hello all, Is this a common practice with leasing computer hardware to have the leasing company require you purchase a hardware warranty equivalent to the length of the lease? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup software
Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know Commvault do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity - depending on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go. Paul -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup software Hi Ok thanks for the suggestions So I will investigate Commvault and EMC I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients As a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The problem for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a warehouse package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer version and is about 60k to upgrade Thanks For the suggestions -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup software At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup software Hi Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape drive We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site tape backup so this must remain) The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be ok for 2-3 years HOWEVER We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded! Looking for a supported solution We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version may work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a high premium for backing up to tape Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and Aix) this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version) Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken
RE: Backup software
FWIW I would thoroughly recommend Commvault. I have no experience of their AIX stuff (we do backup a Linux box) but with everything else we do, it has its quirks as all backup software does, but I don't walk in of a morning with that wonderful How many will have failed last night then? feeling. Any questions yell. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: 03 August 2012 10:21 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup software Hi Ok point noted :-) Thanks -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 03 August 2012 09:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup software Keep your licensing options in mind - a lot of vendors (I know Commvault do) now license either on traditional agents or off capacity - depending on quantity of data it can make a difference which way you go. Paul -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: 03 August 2012 09:23 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup software Hi Ok thanks for the suggestions So I will investigate Commvault and EMC I thinks the Microsoft solution would only support Microsoft clients As a lot of vendors do and that would be no use to use her :-( The problem for us is the old version of AIX that we HAVE to use one is a warehouse package and doesn't run on newer versions and of course would cost to upgrade it the other is an ERP system that wont work on a newer version and is about 60k to upgrade Thanks For the suggestions -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2012 15:59 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup software At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup software Hi Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape drive We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site tape backup so this must remain) The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be ok for 2-3 years HOWEVER We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded! Looking for a supported solution We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version may work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a high premium for backing up to tape Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and Aix) this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version) Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt
RE: Backup software
At (very) face value Commvault will cover all of that. -Original Message- From: Nigel Parker [mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk] Sent: 02 August 2012 09:07 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup software Hi Looking to change our backup software and are open to recommendations Our servers are a range of Windows 2000 2003 with Exchange 2003 and a couple of version of Microsoft Sql server 2000 and 2005 We were looking at Symantec backup exec These machine will have a dedicated backup server and an lto5 tape drive We will backup to disk and then to tape (we have a requirement for an off site tape backup so this must remain) The backup will easily fit on 1 lto 5 tape and with data volumes this should be ok for 2-3 years HOWEVER We also have 2 IBM AIX servers running version 4.3.3 and version 5.1 These will backup again to a dedicated server with an ultrium 5 tape drive The IBM servers cant be upgraded! Looking for a supported solution We looked at backupexec and netbackup however only Older an now none supported version will work with our Aix versions the new version may work but would be unsupported! (no good for us) Also they are charging quite a high premium for backing up to tape Suggestions are welcome especially first hand experiences If any software is available that will do the whole thing (backup windows and Aix) this would be an advantage and of course keep down the costs Currently we are using OPENBACKUP now unsupported and are looking at ARKEIA (a spin-off of openbackup or parallel version) Nigel Parker Systems Engineer Ultraframe (UK) Ltd Tel: 01200 452329 Fax: 01200 452201 Web: www.ultraframe.com Email: mailto:nigel.par...@ultraframe.co.uk Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. The statements and opinions expressed in this email are my own and may not represent those of Ultraframe (UK) Ltd. This email is subject to copyright and the information contained in it is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is sent out only for intended recipient(s). Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not an intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or other use or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and unlawful. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: RAID Degraded
Do you have a box you can stick vSphere on and do a P2V? Might be the quickest solution. -Original Message- From: nyib...@gmail.com [mailto:nyib...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 July 2012 08:04 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RAID Degraded Its a whitebox server model HUD with an Intel server board STL2. Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone powered by Virgin Mobile -Original Message- From: Webster webs...@carlwebster.com Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 20:14:15 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: RAID Degraded What brand and model server. Some drives will have an amber light showing them as degraded. Carl Webster Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com -Original Message- From: nyib...@gmail.com [mailto:nyib...@gmail.com] Subject: RAID Degraded Hi all I had the RAID 5 on the server that has my exchange 2003 server go down this afternoon. It was 3 scsi 320 drives on an adaptec 2200 raid card with 64MB of RAM on the card.Yes its that old. We were prepping for migration to exchange 2010 in august, next month. I love how things work out. Anyway when I boot using the adaptec cd, it says the RAID is degraded. If I boot, I cannot pick up the raid. For the life of me I cannot find which drives are faulty. Under properties it shows all 3 drives as operational with no SMART errors. My supplier can get me the same model drive in two days but if I can't find which drives are faulty, should I spend the money trying to rebuild the array as this server is end of life anyway. How do I find out which drives are faulty because when I use the boot time configuration utility, it doesn't pick up the raid 5 array although it picks up the drives when I do a disk scan. When I try to create another àrray on the same disks, config utility says the disks are full of array info and another one cannot be created. The only other option is to initialize but this would wipe all the info from the drives. We do have nightly full backups but my reticence is that we will lose all today's changes if we restore to new hardware. Is there anyway who can help me with the adaptec raid controller and get my raid 5 back online. Any tools out there? Or is it easier to restore to new hardware and forget about today. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: moving to virtual
I don't think it is, it's pooled across your hosts hence vRAM entitlement. You need to have the right amount licensed but it doesn't care how it's spread across hosts. http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 23:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual As I mentioned to ASB - he can't do that. Licensing for RAM is 64gb per host. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Get double that if you can. HP RAM is expensive, Kingston is cheap and works just fine. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 9:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual Yes, 64GB per server. From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@cabs.msu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual I think you'll be fine with 6-core processors. Make sure you have as much RAM as your licensing permits in your hosts—you'll use RAM a lot faster than CPU. Jack Kramer Manager of Information Technology Communications and Brand Strategy Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world,andhave acouple of questions… 1)I am trying to figure out if Ishould go with 8 core or 6 core processors in my3 hosts for myupcoming VMware environment. The price is about double. And I’m not sure I need 8 cores. The layoutthat has been quoted is as follows: 3 hosts connected to a PS4100XV SAN running VMware Essentials Plus Kit. Thehost serversI am looking at are either: HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2640 (6 core, 2.50 GHz, 15MB, 95W) $5356 each HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2690 (8 core, 2.90 GHz, 20MB, 135W) $10,061 each I currentlyhave8 physical servers(Win2003, E2003, Citrix 4.0)that we will be P2V’d. After I P2Vthe servers, the plan is to begincreating new Windows 2008 R2 VMs andmigrating each server’s role(2008R2 domain, Exchange 2010, and Citrix XenApp 6.5). I wantenough power to be able to run my existing8 servers in a virtual environmentand migratethem to AD2008/E2010/XenApp as well as leave some room for testingand growth. 2of the vendors said 6 core is fine, another vendor is quoting 8 core processors. 2) The quotes I have for the“services” part of this are: $40,000 ($12k for AD/Exch, $8k for XenApp 20k for VMware) $38,000 (not itemized) $28,000 ($11k for AD/Ex,$6k XenApp, $11k for VM) Do these sound legit? I have ~190 users if that helps. I really think 28k iseither too aggressive or simply not realistic. This is the same vendor who quoted me(3) singleprocessorservers, so I have to go back to them and tell them I want dual proc. 3) For the SAN, I have 2 options: PS4100XV (12 600GB 15k SAS) $23,000 NetApp FAS2240 (12 600GB 10k SAS) $22,000 I have 2 vendors pushing the PS4100XV, and the other pushingthe NetApp. From what I have been told, I’llget better IOPS w/ the 15k drives in the Equalogic. And fuller feature set. Any one w/ experiences w/either of these models want to add their $.02? This is a completely new world for me, so any help is appreciated! . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone
RE: moving to virtual
There’s nothing here that suggests SAN. You could run it all on a single box using DAS. Two boxes gives some redundancy. If you want to be able to vMotion and move hosts whilst you maintenance then sure, you need shared storage, but you have less than 1tb of VM’s – even allowing for expansion I would think very strongly about something like the VMware or HP VSA – it’ll actually give you better redundancy than a single box from Equallogic or Netapp or any other non-clustered SAN/NAS would. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 17 July 2012 14:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual Dell actually ran this thing called DPACK and provided a nice report of drive space, RAM, IOPS, throughput, etc. Used storage capacity is 822GB. Total RAM is 30GB, used is 20GB Total throughput: 94 IOPS: at 95%, 2500 at 99%, 2868 at peak. (This includes nightly backups. Looking at each individual server, throughout the work day is MUCH less) most servers rarely go over 200 during the day. From: hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.commailto:hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com [mailto:hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com]mailto:[mailto:hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com] On Behalf Of ken schaefer Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual In my experience, disk I/O is your biggest bottleneck. You start needing gobs of RAM to cater for underspecced disk subsystem. Otherwise, 6 core is fine. Run some perfmon or MAP tool to get some idea of your CPU usage today. But I suspect you'll find it quite low. Even with RAM for 8 VMs on 3 hosts, I think 64GB is possibly overkill, though it depends on your user base. We've got 1000+ VMs, and density of up to 20:1 on DL380s with 192GB RAM. 6 core CPUs, though moving to 8 core with the G8 series Sent from my Windows Phone From: Kurt Buff Sent: 17/7/2012 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual Can't. Essentials Plus package specifies max RAM per host of 64gb. Kurt On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Not enough. Go with 96+GB at 6-cores across only 2 hosts. You'll be happier for longer. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:31 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Yes, 64GB per server. From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@cabs.msu.edumailto:jack.kra...@cabs.msu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual I think you'll be fine with 6-core processors. Make sure you have as much RAM as your licensing permits in your hosts—you'll use RAM a lot faster than CPU. Jack Kramer Manager of Information Technology Communications and Brand Strategy Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231tel:517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955tel:248-635-4955 From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world,andhave acouple of questions… 1)I am trying to figure out if Ishould go with 8 core or 6 core processors in my3 hosts for myupcoming VMware environment. The price is about double. And I’m not sure I need 8 cores. The layoutthat has been quoted is as follows: 3 hosts connected to a PS4100XV SAN running VMware Essentials Plus Kit. Thehost serversI am looking at are either: HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2640 (6 core, 2.50 GHz, 15MB, 95W) $5356 each HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2690 (8 core, 2.90 GHz, 20MB, 135W) $10,061 each I currentlyhave8 physical servers(Win2003, E2003, Citrix 4.0)that we will be P2V’d. After I P2Vthe servers, the plan is to begincreating new Windows 2008 R2 VMs andmigrating each server’s role(2008R2 domain, Exchange 2010, and Citrix XenApp 6.5). I wantenough power to be able to run my existing8 servers in a virtual environmentand migratethem to AD2008/E2010/XenApp as well as leave some room for testingand growth. 2of the vendors said 6 core is fine, another vendor is quoting 8 core processors. 2) The quotes I have for the“services” part of this are: $40,000 ($12k for AD/Exch, $8k for XenApp 20k for VMware) $38,000 (not itemized) $28,000 ($11k for AD/Ex,$6k XenApp, $11k for VM) Do these sound legit? I have ~190 users if that helps. I really think 28k iseither too aggressive or simply not realistic. This is the same vendor who quoted me(3) singleprocessorservers, so I have to go back to them and
RE: moving to virtual
VMware don't care what physical RAM is in your servers any more. All they care about is that your vRAM is licensed. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 July 2012 15:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual Read that a bit more carefully - the section titled Essentials Kits - no more than two procs per machine and no more than three hosts.They are pretty much enforcing a maximum of three machines, though you could do only one or two, but you're crippling yourself if you do. Kurt On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: I don't think it is, it's pooled across your hosts hence vRAM entitlement. You need to have the right amount licensed but it doesn't care how it's spread across hosts. http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 23:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual As I mentioned to ASB - he can't do that. Licensing for RAM is 64gb per host. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Get double that if you can. HP RAM is expensive, Kingston is cheap and works just fine. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 9:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual Yes, 64GB per server. From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@cabs.msu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual I think you'll be fine with 6-core processors. Make sure you have as much RAM as your licensing permits in your hosts—you'll use RAM a lot faster than CPU. Jack Kramer Manager of Information Technology Communications and Brand Strategy Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world,andhave acouple of questions… 1)I am trying to figure out if Ishould go with 8 core or 6 core processors in my3 hosts for myupcoming VMware environment. The price is about double. And I’m not sure I need 8 cores. The layoutthat has been quoted is as follows: 3 hosts connected to a PS4100XV SAN running VMware Essentials Plus Kit. Thehost serversI am looking at are either: HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2640 (6 core, 2.50 GHz, 15MB, 95W) $5356 each HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2690 (8 core, 2.90 GHz, 20MB, 135W) $10,061 each I currentlyhave8 physical servers(Win2003, E2003, Citrix 4.0)that we will be P2V’d. After I P2Vthe servers, the plan is to begincreating new Windows 2008 R2 VMs andmigrating each server’s role(2008R2 domain, Exchange 2010, and Citrix XenApp 6.5). I wantenough power to be able to run my existing8 servers in a virtual environmentand migratethem to AD2008/E2010/XenApp as well as leave some room for testingand growth. 2of the vendors said 6 core is fine, another vendor is quoting 8 core processors. 2) The quotes I have for the“services” part of this are: $40,000 ($12k for AD/Exch, $8k for XenApp 20k for VMware) $38,000 (not itemized) $28,000 ($11k for AD/Ex,$6k XenApp, $11k for VM) Do these sound legit? I have ~190 users if that helps. I really think 28k iseither too aggressive or simply not realistic. This is the same vendor who quoted me(3) singleprocessorservers, so I have to go back to them and tell them I want dual proc. 3) For the SAN, I have 2 options: PS4100XV (12 600GB 15k SAS) $23,000 NetApp FAS2240 (12 600GB 10k SAS) $22,000 I have 2 vendors pushing the PS4100XV, and the other pushingthe NetApp. From what I have been told, I’llget better IOPS w/ the 15k drives in the Equalogic. And fuller feature set. Any one w/ experiences w/either of these models want to add their $.02? This is a completely new world for me, so any help is appreciated! . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource
RE: moving to virtual
I would still at least look into the VSA. You have a single point of failure in your SAN. If you look at the two VSA's I mentioned either can be stretched, which if your physical site allows it makes for some pretty funky resilience. vMotion is very nice, my only concern is that quite often SAN vendors, surprisingly, tell you that you need a SAN. A SAN needs (ideally) dedicated switches. To have redundancy you need two switches. That costs money and adds complexity. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-SAN, but there are so many options when you're going virtualised that before spending the thick end of $200k I think it only right that you're told about them. If all your kit is going in a single rack you could just go buy a shared SAS enclosure and you've got shared storage without the physical and financial complexity that a SAN brings. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 17 July 2012 4:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual Vmotion. And things like John Cook mentioned…being able to update hosts during business hours, host outage won’t affect users. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual There’s nothing here that suggests SAN. You could run it all on a single box using DAS. Two boxes gives some redundancy. If you want to be able to vMotion and move hosts whilst you maintenance then sure, you need shared storage, but you have less than 1tb of VM’s – even allowing for expansion I would think very strongly about something like the VMware or HP VSA – it’ll actually give you better redundancy than a single box from Equallogic or Netapp or any other non-clustered SAN/NAS would. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 17 July 2012 14:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual Dell actually ran this thing called DPACK and provided a nice report of drive space, RAM, IOPS, throughput, etc. Used storage capacity is 822GB. Total RAM is 30GB, used is 20GB Total throughput: 94 IOPS: at 95%, 2500 at 99%, 2868 at peak. (This includes nightly backups. Looking at each individual server, throughout the work day is MUCH less) most servers rarely go over 200 during the day. From: hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.commailto:hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com [mailto:hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com]mailto:[mailto:hotmail_b243df4f33245...@live.com] On Behalf Of ken schaefer Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual In my experience, disk I/O is your biggest bottleneck. You start needing gobs of RAM to cater for underspecced disk subsystem. Otherwise, 6 core is fine. Run some perfmon or MAP tool to get some idea of your CPU usage today. But I suspect you'll find it quite low. Even with RAM for 8 VMs on 3 hosts, I think 64GB is possibly overkill, though it depends on your user base. We've got 1000+ VMs, and density of up to 20:1 on DL380s with 192GB RAM. 6 core CPUs, though moving to 8 core with the G8 series Sent from my Windows Phone From: Kurt Buff Sent: 17/7/2012 9:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual Can't. Essentials Plus package specifies max RAM per host of 64gb. Kurt On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Not enough. Go with 96+GB at 6-cores across only 2 hosts. You'll be happier for longer. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 4:31 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Yes, 64GB per server. From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@cabs.msu.edumailto:jack.kra...@cabs.msu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual I think you'll be fine with 6-core processors. Make sure you have as much RAM as your licensing permits in your hosts—you'll use RAM a lot faster than CPU. Jack Kramer Manager of Information Technology Communications and Brand Strategy Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231tel:517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955tel:248-635-4955 From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world,andhave acouple of questions… 1)I am trying to figure out if Ishould go with 8 core or 6 core processors in my3 hosts for myupcoming
RE: SPF record question
Softfail essentially leaves it to the receiving MTA to decide what to do with the message. From: Richard McClary [richard.mccl...@aspca.org] Sent: 17 July 2012 5:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SPF record question Greetings! I am needing to modify an SPF record. I’ve spent some time going through OPENSPF.ORG and still have one question… What is the difference between a “Fail” (-) and a “SoftFail” (~)? -- Richard The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: moving to virtual
By all means double check (I am now!!) but my understanding is that the entire point of the vRAM licensing is that it removes any physical restriction on the RAM in a machine, as per the PDF I linked to No Limits on Physical Resources. So sure, you still need to have each processor licensed, but the vRAM allowance that comes with each processor license goes into a single pool and they wouldn't care if each individual host had 32gb or 512gb of physical RAM so long as your VM's weren't allocated more than 192gb of vRAM in total. The Essentials kits appear to limit you to 2 physical CPUs but the documentation states that the vRAM capacity is still pooled, so it's almost a mix of two licensing limits. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 17 July 2012 4:53 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual This is not what VMW told me on the phone. I will ask them to clarify, thx. In any case, for my environment I would still think 64GB per host would be plenty? -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 11:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual VMware don't care what physical RAM is in your servers any more. All they care about is that your vRAM is licensed. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 July 2012 15:42 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual Read that a bit more carefully - the section titled Essentials Kits - no more than two procs per machine and no more than three hosts.They are pretty much enforcing a maximum of three machines, though you could do only one or two, but you're crippling yourself if you do. Kurt On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: I don't think it is, it's pooled across your hosts hence vRAM entitlement. You need to have the right amount licensed but it doesn't care how it's spread across hosts. http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 23:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual As I mentioned to ASB - he can't do that. Licensing for RAM is 64gb per host. On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Get double that if you can. HP RAM is expensive, Kingston is cheap and works just fine. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 9:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual Yes, 64GB per server. From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@cabs.msu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual I think you'll be fine with 6-core processors. Make sure you have as much RAM as your licensing permits in your hosts—you'll use RAM a lot faster than CPU. Jack Kramer Manager of Information Technology Communications and Brand Strategy Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world,andhave acouple of questions… 1)I am trying to figure out if Ishould go with 8 core or 6 core processors in my3 hosts for myupcoming VMware environment. The price is about double. And I’m not sure I need 8 cores. The layoutthat has been quoted is as follows: 3 hosts connected to a PS4100XV SAN running VMware Essentials Plus Kit. Thehost serversI am looking at are either: HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2640 (6 core, 2.50 GHz, 15MB, 95W) $5356 each HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2690 (8 core, 2.90 GHz, 20MB, 135W) $10,061 each I currentlyhave8 physical servers(Win2003, E2003, Citrix 4.0)that we will be P2V’d. After I P2Vthe servers, the plan is to begincreating new Windows 2008 R2 VMs andmigrating each server’s role(2008R2 domain, Exchange 2010, and Citrix XenApp 6.5). I wantenough power to be able to run my existing8 servers in a virtual environmentand migratethem to AD2008/E2010/XenApp as well as leave some room for testingand growth. 2of the vendors said 6 core is fine, another vendor is quoting 8 core processors. 2) The quotes I have for the“services” part of this are: $40,000 ($12k for AD/Exch, $8k for XenApp 20k for VMware) $38,000 (not itemized) $28,000 ($11k for AD/Ex,$6k XenApp, $11k for VM) Do these sound legit? I have ~190 users if that helps. I really think 28k iseither too aggressive or simply not realistic. This is the same vendor who quoted me(3) singleprocessorservers
RE: backup solutions for exchange 2010
Commvault is nice. From: Overly, Gregg [gr...@txstate.edu] Sent: 17 July 2012 5:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: backup solutions for exchange 2010 We are currently exploring backup solutions as we prepare to migrate from exchange 2007 to exchange 2010 sp2. We do expect our environment to grow significantly (currently about 10 TB). My first question to the list is are any of you using MS DPM and how does it scale? My second question is are there other recommendations that are comparable or perform better in a large environment? Thanks in advance, Gregg Overly Technology Resources 1.512.245.6861 Texas State University – San Marcos gr...@txstate.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: moving to virtual
Initial thoughts, in no particular order: 3 VM hosts for 8 servers seems excessive You almost certainly won't need 8 cores. RAM and disk IO tend to be bottlenecks before CPU does. Why a SAN and not DAS? If you really need shared storage consider the VMware VSA or HP P4000 VSA. What are you doing for backups? That is one hell of a whack of money for them to do stuff for you that, respectfully, if you buy the kit and take your time I'm sure you could do yourself and come out the other side having learned a heck of a lot. Personally, and I'm only going off this single email I don't know the history, but I would take a step back and perhaps take smaller steps here before throwing that much money at it. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 8:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world, and have a couple of questions… 1) I am trying to figure out if I should go with 8 core or 6 core processors in my 3 hosts for my upcoming VMware environment. The price is about double. And I’m not sure I need 8 cores. The layout that has been quoted is as follows: 3 hosts connected to a PS4100XV SAN running VMware Essentials Plus Kit. The host servers I am looking at are either: HP DL360 G8 2x Intel® Xeon® E5-2640 (6 core, 2.50 GHz, 15MB, 95W) $5356 each HP DL360 G8 2x Intel® Xeon® E5-2690 (8 core, 2.90 GHz, 20MB, 135W) $10,061 each I currently have 8 physical servers (Win2003, E2003, Citrix 4.0) that we will be P2V’d. After I P2V the servers, the plan is to begin creating new Windows 2008 R2 VMs and migrating each server’s role (2008R2 domain, Exchange 2010, and Citrix XenApp 6.5). I want enough power to be able to run my existing 8 servers in a virtual environment and migrate them to AD2008/E2010/XenApp as well as leave some room for testing and growth. 2 of the vendors said 6 core is fine, another vendor is quoting 8 core processors. 2) The quotes I have for the “services” part of this are: $40,000 ($12k for AD/Exch, $8k for XenApp 20k for VMware) $38,000 (not itemized) $28,000 ($11k for AD/Ex, $6k XenApp, $11k for VM) Do these sound legit? I have ~190 users if that helps. I really think 28k is either too aggressive or simply not realistic. This is the same vendor who quoted me (3) single processor servers, so I have to go back to them and tell them I want dual proc. 3) For the SAN, I have 2 options: PS4100XV (12 600GB 15k SAS) $23,000 NetApp FAS2240 (12 600GB 10k SAS) $22,000 I have 2 vendors pushing the PS4100XV, and the other pushing the NetApp. From what I have been told, I’ll get better IOPS w/ the 15k drives in the Equalogic. And fuller feature set. Any one w/ experiences w/ either of these models want to add their $.02? This is a completely new world for me, so any help is appreciated! . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: moving to virtual
Get double that if you can. HP RAM is expensive, Kingston is cheap and works just fine. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 9:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual Yes, 64GB per server. From: Kramer, Jack [mailto:jack.kra...@cabs.msu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: moving to virtual I think you'll be fine with 6-core processors. Make sure you have as much RAM as your licensing permits in your hosts—you'll use RAM a lot faster than CPU. Jack Kramer Manager of Information Technology Communications and Brand Strategy Michigan State University w: 517-884-1231 / c: 248-635-4955 From: David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: Monday, July 16, 2012 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world,andhave acouple of questions… 1)I am trying to figure out if Ishould go with 8 core or 6 core processors in my3 hosts for myupcoming VMware environment. The price is about double. And I’m not sure I need 8 cores. The layoutthat has been quoted is as follows: 3 hosts connected to a PS4100XV SAN running VMware Essentials Plus Kit. Thehost serversI am looking at are either: HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2640 (6 core, 2.50 GHz, 15MB, 95W) $5356 each HPDL360 G82x Intel® Xeon® E5-2690 (8 core, 2.90 GHz, 20MB, 135W) $10,061 each I currentlyhave8 physical servers(Win2003, E2003, Citrix 4.0)that we will be P2V’d. After I P2Vthe servers, the plan is to begincreating new Windows 2008 R2 VMs andmigrating each server’s role(2008R2 domain, Exchange 2010, and Citrix XenApp 6.5). I wantenough power to be able to run my existing8 servers in a virtual environmentand migratethem to AD2008/E2010/XenApp as well as leave some room for testingand growth. 2of the vendors said 6 core is fine, another vendor is quoting 8 core processors. 2) The quotes I have for the“services” part of this are: $40,000 ($12k for AD/Exch, $8k for XenApp 20k for VMware) $38,000 (not itemized) $28,000 ($11k for AD/Ex,$6k XenApp, $11k for VM) Do these sound legit? I have ~190 users if that helps. I really think 28k iseither too aggressive or simply not realistic. This is the same vendor who quoted me(3) singleprocessorservers, so I have to go back to them and tell them I want dual proc. 3) For the SAN, I have 2 options: PS4100XV (12 600GB 15k SAS) $23,000 NetApp FAS2240 (12 600GB 10k SAS) $22,000 I have 2 vendors pushing the PS4100XV, and the other pushingthe NetApp. From what I have been told, I’llget better IOPS w/ the 15k drives in the Equalogic. And fuller feature set. Any one w/ experiences w/either of these models want to add their $.02? This is a completely new world for me, so any help is appreciated! . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: moving to virtual
No, it allows 192gb total vram, that's ram allocated to all of your VMs. VMware don't care if you have 192gb in each host or if you have 64gb in each host so long as the total of all of your VM's allocated RAM is not more than 192gb. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 July 2012 9:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual Essentials Plus only allows for 192 and 3 hosts (64GB per host) I believe each server will have 8 NICs in it. There are 3 of these NC365T 4-PORT ETHERNET SERVER ADAPTER at $440 each. EX/AD - Yes, vendor will be doing that as well (with me). I have no other staff here. -Original Message- From: Charlie Kaiser [mailto:charl...@golden-eagle.org] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 4:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: moving to virtual More RAM. As much as the hosts can hold. Lots of NICs. You will eventually want to isolate traffic and the more NICs you have the easier it will be. Architect storage carefully. Disk I/O, being the slowest link in the chain, can really put you behind the 8-ball. Leave room for test environments. Why so much for Exch/AD? Are you having a vendor do that or are you doing it? I've done a bunch of those. They're not that complex... *** Charlie Kaiser charl...@golden-eagle.org Kingman, AZ *** -Original Message- From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 12:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: moving to virtual Greetings, Getting very close to moving into the VM world, and have a couple of questions. 1) I am trying to figure out if I should go with 8 core or 6 core processors in my 3 hosts for my upcoming VMware environment. The price is about double. And I'm not sure I need 8 cores. The layout that has been quoted is as follows: 3 hosts connected to a PS4100XV SAN running VMware Essentials Plus Kit. The host servers I am looking at are either: HP DL360 G8 2x IntelR XeonR E5-2640 (6 core, 2.50 GHz, 15MB, 95W) $5356 each HP DL360 G8 2x IntelR XeonR E5-2690 (8 core, 2.90 GHz, 20MB, 135W) $10,061 each I currently have 8 physical servers (Win2003, E2003, Citrix 4.0) that we will be P2V'd. After I P2V the servers, the plan is to begin creating new Windows 2008 R2 VMs and migrating each server's role (2008R2 domain, Exchange 2010, and Citrix XenApp 6.5). I want enough power to be able to run my existing 8 servers in a virtual environment and migrate them to AD2008/E2010/XenApp as well as leave some room for testing and growth. 2 of the vendors said 6 core is fine, another vendor is quoting 8 core processors. 2) The quotes I have for the services part of this are: $40,000 ($12k for AD/Exch, $8k for XenApp 20k for VMware) $38,000 (not itemized) $28,000 ($11k for AD/Ex, $6k XenApp, $11k for VM) Do these sound legit? I have ~190 users if that helps. I really think 28k is either too aggressive or simply not realistic. This is the same vendor who quoted me (3) single processor servers, so I have to go back to them and tell them I want dual proc. 3) For the SAN, I have 2 options: PS4100XV (12 600GB 15k SAS) $23,000 NetApp FAS2240 (12 600GB 10k SAS) $22,000 I have 2 vendors pushing the PS4100XV, and the other pushing the NetApp. From what I have been told, I'll get better IOPS w/ the 15k drives in the Equalogic. And fuller feature set. Any one w/ experiences w/ either of these models want to add their $.02? This is a completely new world for me, so any help is appreciated! . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the
RE: Weird SSL issues on existing IIS6 WSS 3 site
Missing intermediate cert would be my first guess. From: Graeme Carstairs [mailto:loonyto...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 June 2012 11:45 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Weird SSL issues on existing IIS6 WSS 3 site Hi There, One of our customers had a public facing WSS 3 site secured witha go daddy SSL. they were bought over by another company and since then the wSS has no longer been public facing but is still entirely SSL. The SSL has been expired for 2 months now as we are going through parent company process of getting a new SSL issued. They initially issued us with on of the Enterprise CA, then a $150 verisign one and we have noe been issues a $600 verisign one. The problem is Import the certificate VIA Cerificates MMC, it checks out and can be viewed as a valid cert. and assign to the website in ISS. Immediately the site stops working, IE shows a Could not display the page rror (no muber) Chrome gives a 107 SSL protocol Error. Using fiddler to monitor the traffic flow, and its a 107 error it shows as the only response. Replace the new cert with the old expired one and straight away the sites working (with cert expired error) but still working. Any one got any suggestions as to what may be casuing this. Thanks graeme -- Good news everyone, you have just received an e-mail from me! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Wickr on corporate iPhones?
Does it serve that much purpose I wonder? Is encrypting texts that much use to most folks? From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: 28 June 2012 14:44 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Wickr on corporate iPhones? Could this be workable in a corporate environment I wonder? Specifically how hard would it be for a Help desk team to configure this for employees (assuming a corporate iPhone). http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57462189-83/wickr-an-iphone-encryption-app-a-3-year-old-can-use/?tag=mncol;txt David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Thinking about buying some Juniper SSG20s
We've used SSGs. They're solid if not a little basic in functionality, so IMO it depends what feature set you want. From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 May 2012 13:33 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Thinking about buying some Juniper SSG20s Nobody? I guess I better take a second look at Sonicwall. On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:24 PM, James Kerr cluster...@gmail.commailto:cluster...@gmail.com wrote: Heh guys, Anyone running any of these SSG boxes? I'm thinking about getting some to replace our Firebox 750's; any feedback would be most appreciated. Thanks, ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: WSUS migration.
I don't even know if I'd bother doing that tbh. Assuming all your clients are reasonably up to date I'd just build a new one, let them check-in, and simply approve/reject any new updates as and when the come along. From: Kennedy, Jim [kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: 17 May 2012 6:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: WSUS migration. I am rolling a new WSUS server. Do I have this right? Fire up the new one, make it a replica with the original as its upstream so it picks up existing approvals of updates and all that. Then repoint my clients to the new server, break the replication and decommission the old one? Seems too easy. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Eaton UPSs?
We have several. I like them. Very simple to use, nice web GUI and SSH/telnet access. -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 02 May 2012 16:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Eaton UPSs? Just curious, but has anybody have any strong opinions, for or against, Eaton UPSs? Thanks for the quick poll. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: PCounter Print Management
Follow-Me is something we're looking at. It may be a step too far for the moment though. The politics of all of these management solution is interesting - printers seem to be incredibly emotive considering they're just lumps of plastic and metal. I'd be interested to hear any tales from those of you who've implemented any sort of print management where previously there was non - if you're still alive to tell the tale :) From: Brian Desmond [br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: 30 April 2012 3:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: PCounter Print Management I’ve seen it before at customers. Also seen one called Pharos. I don’t recall hearing anything positive or negative about the PCounter solution. The Pharos one I’ve heard some complaining. I’ve seen a number of places that are moving to universal print queue style solutions where you print and then swipe your badge on any machine to release the job. In the process it goes on your tab. I know Canon has a solution here. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 7:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: PCounter Print Management Are any of you using PCounter to do print auditing/management please? We’re in the process of reviewing our MFP/print contract and beyond the physical hardware there’s the question of how we could be a little smarter in tracking and controlling what is printed. One of the vendors mentioned this product and from a quick look on YouTube it looks interesting and worth trying the free demo, but I thought I’d see if there are any users our there first and if so what you think of it (or any of the similar products if you got beyond the subject line and read on). Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Commvault Training
We use it. I never had any training. It's difficult to say whether it's needed or not - my view is that if you spend years using one piece of software and then change to something else, half the battle is familiarity with the old rather than difficulty with the new. On a technical level it's very good software, but lots and lots of options. I take it you've been looking at some of the documntation in Books Online? Paul -Original Message- From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us] Sent: 25 April 2012 15:29 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Commvault Training OK we are looking at Commvault, it is recommended by our storage vendor. We have outgrown the capabilities of our current backup software and need something new. In our quote for Commvault the vendor quotes and STRONGLY encourages us to purchase 3 full days of training. Does anyone have suggestions as to why 3 full days of training would be necessary for Commvault? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: NTsysadmin emails going to Gmail's Spam
I wonder if all the random OT one line emails sent to the list may just make the mail from the list look, on average, a little more spammy than it actually is? From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 25 April 2012 8:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: NTsysadmin emails going to Gmail's Spam Ditto. Postini definitely doesn’t seem to be a big fan of this list. John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.usUrlBlockedError.aspx From: Troy Adkins [mailto:tadk...@house.virginia.gov] Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 1:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: NTsysadmin emails going to Gmail's Spam We use Postini here and it will catch a few list posts as spam Troy Adkins Network Administrator Virginia House of Delegates General Assembly Bldg. Room 815 804.698.1567 (O) 804.771.7917 (F) tadk...@house.virginia.govmailto:tadk...@house.virginia.gov http://legis.virginia.govhttp://legis.virginia.gov/ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Wireless controller for 2 APs?
Have a look at Ubiquiti Unifi. From: Glen Johnson [gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: 17 April 2012 5:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Wireless controller for 2 APs? Unless you can foresee growth I don't think I would spend $ on a controller for only 2 ap's. -Original Message- From: Jon D [mailto:rekcahp...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 11:14 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Wireless controller for 2 APs? I'm new to enterprise wireless. I'm setting up 2 APs to share out a fios connection for our conference rooms. 100% seperate from our corporate network. Our IT consultants is trying to sell a cisco wireless controller to manage the APs. Does this sound like overkill to anyone? Do you really need a wireless controller to manage 2 APs? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
I'd assume ease of use and market leader. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) $40k services Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers Total: $185,000 Sound good? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware infrastructure. Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Outside of usability you then have: Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in VMDK/OVF format Tons of vCenter add-ins I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics. From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. John -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'd assume ease of use and market leader. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) $40k services Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers Total: $185,000 Sound good? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
I didn't think you could point Veeam (or whatever HyperV aware backup app you're using) to a single entity like you can vCenter and have it backup every VM that's in your cluster? If you can that's great to know as I always wondered how it coped with doing incremental backups of a VM when it's been moved between hosts if it addresses each host individually. On the domain point, so can you have several Hyper-V hosts that aren't domain members but still manage them as a single entity/cluster? Basically what's the Hyper-V equivalent of a vCenter server? Like I said I haven't used it but I thought those were both things about it that didn't seem quite as polished as VMware? From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 April 2012 4:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party options here. No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware infrastructure. Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Outside of usability you then have: Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in VMDK/OVF format Tons of vCenter add-ins I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics. From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. John -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'd assume ease of use and market leader. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) $40k services Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers Total: $185,000 Sound good? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
I did briefly look at that. Problem was the iSCSI bridge for the tape libraries seemed to cost more than simply buying a physical box to connect the tape library to. Kind of weird but seemed consistent across vendors. From: Heaton, Joseph@DFG [jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] Sent: 16 April 2012 5:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! We're using an iSCSI tape library at our field offices, with the backup server VM connecting to it. Works great for us. Joe Heaton ITB - Windows Server Support -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:37 PM To: Heaton, Joseph@DFG; NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Basically forget about connecting your tape library to one of the VMware hosts, even if it should work it isn't going to be pleasant - far better to use one of your existing boxes as a media agent with the tape drive attached to it if you stick with the tape drive you have. If you wouldn't mind doing so it would be beneficial if you went into some detail on what you currently do for backups - what software, what backup routine etc.? If you're using something old or basic and are considering backups from scratch I'd suggest (in a very rough order) looking at Commvault, Unitrends, Veeam (only does VMware or Hyper-V) and AppAssure (only does Windows), then at the lower end you have Backup Exec and ArcServe and no doubt a few others. I really can't stress the point strongly enough about having a solid backup plan in place when you virtualise. Firstly you're talking about spending almost $200k on kit - respectfully I'm a little surprised if the VAR hasn't mentioned backups somewhere down the line? Secondly, your single SAN is your single point of failure. Sure, it's made not to fail but if it does you've just lost every single VM you have so you want to be able to get them back as quickly and easily as possible. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 9:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Ah... yes, that is exactly what I am doing now. I will absolutely look into this. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using? If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most likely doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do file or application level backups? Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the biggest benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in some cases replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire VM. It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well it's backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole setup, but also because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a lot of software tools (at a cost) that your backup software may be compatible with - basically you want to check it out prior to any purchase to avoid any surprises down the line (particularly as Netapp aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if you need to buy anything down the line). From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I assume I will back up to tape? -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! What are you doing to backup your VM's? From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Wow. This is perfect. You probably just saved me some serious coin. Thank you!!! -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement. It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5. Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious detail: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses. Nice eh?! From: David Mazzaccaro
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
#2 There are rules/best practises to follow such as not using snapshots when updating DCs that are virtual, but the biggest issue, which used to be clock skew, is a non-issue these days. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 April 2012 5:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things... 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical. You can certainly have virtual DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical. 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all. Period. Thoughts? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party options here. No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware infrastructure. Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Outside of usability you then have: Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in VMDK/OVF format Tons of vCenter add-ins I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics. From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. John -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'd assume ease of use and market leader. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) $40k services Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers Total: $185,000 Sound good? ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
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FWIW I can run our entire infrastructure (and do when I'm doing host maintenance) on a single DL380. That's around 43 VM's including Exchange 2010, our AD and our primary file server. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 April 2012 7:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts? With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be overkill. Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a waste? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Yes! By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-) And you may as well run a physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC. The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate against and bring your environment back online. At your size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that way. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things... 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical. You can certainly have virtual DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical. 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all. Period. Thoughts? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party options here. No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware infrastructure. Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Outside of usability you then have: Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in VMDK/OVF format Tons of vCenter add-ins I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics. From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. John -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'd assume ease of use and market leader. -Original Message- From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 14:16 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Someone else asked about this, but I didn't see a reply (although Postini frequently blocks messages from this list)... What factors led to you choosing VMware over Hyper-V? John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttp://www.taylor.k12.fl.us - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward
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144gb of RAM and a pair of Xeon 56xx's (six core, I forget the exact model). Keep in mind that if you're like most people your first bottleneck will most likely be RAM, then disk, with CPU almost certainly last. I can run all that lot on a single box and it doesn't run slowly, but I would also add that many of those boxes are small VM's for application isolation so aren't that busy beyond their steady state. FWIW without knowing all the specifics behind why you're being recommended the solution you've posted, if all the kit is going in the same room three hosts sounds like overkill and two would almost certainly do the job. I'd be more concerned about getting in a proper backup/replication option so you have a quick fallback should your single SAN or room disappear. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 April 2012 8:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! That is awesome. What are the hardware specs of the DL380? From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! FWIW I can run our entire infrastructure (and do when I'm doing host maintenance) on a single DL380. That's around 43 VM's including Exchange 2010, our AD and our primary file server. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 16 April 2012 7:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts? With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be overkill. Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a waste? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Yes! By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-) And you may as well run a physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC. The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate against and bring your environment back online. At your size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that way. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things... 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical. You can certainly have virtual DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical. 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all. Period. Thoughts? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party options here. No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware infrastructure. Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Outside of usability you then have: Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in VMDK/OVF format Tons of vCenter add-ins I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics. From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used
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Just to clarify that you won't get DRS with the Essentials/Essentials Plus bundle as that comes with Enterprise onwards. From: Chinnery, Paul [pa...@mmcwm.com] Sent: 16 April 2012 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! If you have DRS turned on, yes. However, you can also designate that some will always be on the same host.For example, we have HCIS authentication server (file) that always uses a certain background server. So, if FSA is vmotioned to another host, BG1 will follow. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! How does that work now? Are the 11 guests distributed dynamically across the 3 hosts? Or are they dedicated to specific hosts always? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 2:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I have 11 guests. I have three hosts so I can survive a host failure without squeezing the resources on the remaining hosts too much. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: How many VMs are you able to run on each of your 3 hosts? With only 10 physical servers now.. I am wondering if 3 hosts are going to be overkill. Even with a play/test environment of another 10 servers…. Are 3 hosts a waste? From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Yes! By physical boxes, we'll presume a box that's running as a DC, and not your hosts as Scott pithily responded... :-) And you may as well run a physical box for your vCenter if you're going to maintain a solid box for DC. The idea behind physical boxes, is it gives you something to authenticate against and bring your environment back online. At your size (three hosts, which is what I'm running) you probably don't need it, and can authenticate into the hosts and then start the guests that way. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:30 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote: Speaking of domain controllers, I am being told 2 different things... 1) ALWAYS keep a single DC physical. You can certainly have virtual DCs, but you must have at least 1 physical. 2) Virtualize everything you can. You don’t need any physical boxes at all. Period. Thoughts? From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:55 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No, you don't have to back them up individually. Lots of 3rd party options here. No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Your Hyper-V server need not be a domain member. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: I've only used VMware so I'm more than happy to be corrected here, but in no particular order: Single ISO takes you from bare metal to working server. No third party drivers needed for things like MPIO and NIC teaming. Single management tool. Single management server (vCenter) gives visibility to your entire VMware infrastructure. Single thing to point backups at - I believe you have to backup Hyper-V boxes individually? No dependency on the domain being present which can put you in a fun situation if you have to power everything off and on again. Outside of usability you then have: Pretty much any virtual appliance you care to name will come natively in VMDK/OVF format Tons of vCenter add-ins I'm very interested in Hyper-V with Windows Server 8 and for us the timing falls nicely with our SAN and server refresh, but honestly the only reason I can see for looking at moving would be license costs - VMware works out expensive if you have more than a few hosts and want more than the basics. From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: 16 April 2012 3:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Is the consensus that VMware is easier to use than Hyper-V? I've only used the latter, so I can't judge. John -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray
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That RAM price sounds insane. I'd be speaking to different RAM vendors on getting compatible RAM - HP don't manufacture their own, it's nothing special IMO. Gut reaction is it's an expensive solution in terms of hardware and software, but it's easy to say Save $40k and do it yourself when you're in a position to do so. Basically it looks a nice solution, I'm not sure from the limited info if it isn't overkill but that's me with my spend the money as if it were my own hat on. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 16:39 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) $40k services Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers Total: $185,000 Sound good? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
OK one more thing: vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard. Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement. 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts. So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb). From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! LOL Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium) -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out... 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm looking at the right memory. http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7; Cat=RAM 48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers = $8099.91 kiddingHey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that? Sm:)e./kidding --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) $40k services Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers Total: $185,000 Sound good? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement. It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5. Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious detail: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses. Nice eh?! From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only going to see and utilize 192GB? confused -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! OK one more thing: vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard. Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement. 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts. So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb). From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! LOL Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium) -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out... 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm looking at the right memory. http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7; Cat=RAM 48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers = $8099.91 kiddingHey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that? Sm:)e./kidding --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) $40k services Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers Total: $185,000 Sound good? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
What are you doing to backup your VM's? From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Wow. This is perfect. You probably just saved me some serious coin. Thank you!!! -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement. It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5. Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious detail: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses. Nice eh?! From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only going to see and utilize 192GB? confused -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! OK one more thing: vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard. Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement. 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts. So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb). From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! LOL Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium) -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out... 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm looking at the right memory. http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7; Cat=RAM 48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers = $8099.91 kiddingHey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that? Sm:)e./kidding --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses ($26,000) $40k services Install/config SAN, switches, hosts, VMware, new Citrix farm, 2008 Domain upgrade, P2V existing servers Total: $185,000 Sound good? . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using? If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most likely doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do file or application level backups? Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the biggest benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in some cases replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire VM. It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well it's backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole setup, but also because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a lot of software tools (at a cost) that your backup software may be compatible with - basically you want to check it out prior to any purchase to avoid any surprises down the line (particularly as Netapp aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if you need to buy anything down the line). From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I assume I will back up to tape? -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! What are you doing to backup your VM's? From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Wow. This is perfect. You probably just saved me some serious coin. Thank you!!! -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement. It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5. Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious detail: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses. Nice eh?! From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only going to see and utilize 192GB? confused -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! OK one more thing: vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard. Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement. 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts. So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb). From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 5:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! LOL Yes, that is per host.. and it is HP memory (hence the premium) -Original Message- From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 12:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I'm a penny-pincher, and I saw a only one thing that really stuck out... 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Ouch! Is that 196 Gig per computer, or total for the 3 servers? Even if it's 196 per computer, Crucial can get you that much ram for $8100... As long as I'm looking at the right memory. http://www.crucial.com/store/listparts.aspx?model=ProLiant%20DL380%20G7; Cat=RAM 48GB Kit - ($899.99 each) * 3 for each server ($2699.97) * 3 servers = $8099.91 kiddingHey, I just saved you $36k! Can I get a commission for that? Sm:)e./kidding --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:38:47 -0700 Subject: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Just got the ok to move forward with VMware/Citrix/Domain upgrade. I have 10 physical servers, and it looks like this will be the solution: 3 hosts: ($21k each) HP DL380 G7 E5660 Pair of 146 15k drives mirrored 196 G RAM - this was $45k alone Quad port gig adapter 2 Switches: ($1,800 each) HP 2910 1 SAN ($22,700) NetApp 2240 12 x 600GB VSphere Essentials Plus ($5,200) 6 Windows licenses ($13,600): Server 2008 Datacenter Windows/Xenapp licenses
RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware!
Basically forget about connecting your tape library to one of the VMware hosts, even if it should work it isn't going to be pleasant - far better to use one of your existing boxes as a media agent with the tape drive attached to it if you stick with the tape drive you have. If you wouldn't mind doing so it would be beneficial if you went into some detail on what you currently do for backups - what software, what backup routine etc.? If you're using something old or basic and are considering backups from scratch I'd suggest (in a very rough order) looking at Commvault, Unitrends, Veeam (only does VMware or Hyper-V) and AppAssure (only does Windows), then at the lower end you have Backup Exec and ArcServe and no doubt a few others. I really can't stress the point strongly enough about having a solid backup plan in place when you virtualise. Firstly you're talking about spending almost $200k on kit - respectfully I'm a little surprised if the VAR hasn't mentioned backups somewhere down the line? Secondly, your single SAN is your single point of failure. Sure, it's made not to fail but if it does you've just lost every single VM you have so you want to be able to get them back as quickly and easily as possible. From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 9:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Ah... yes, that is exactly what I am doing now. I will absolutely look into this. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I meant more in terms of what backup software are you using? If you're currently doing backups of your physical boxes you're most likely doing it using traditional agents that sit on the boxes and do file or application level backups? Of course you can continue to do that, but you're missing one of the biggest benefits of virtualisation if you're not complementing it (or in some cases replacing it) with taking image level backups of the entire VM. It's something you should definitely look into, not least because, well it's backups so it's probably the most important part of the whole setup, but also because if you do go the Netapp route they also offer a lot of software tools (at a cost) that your backup software may be compatible with - basically you want to check it out prior to any purchase to avoid any surprises down the line (particularly as Netapp aren't the cheapest in terms of software licenses if you need to buy anything down the line). From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 8:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! I assume I will back up to tape? -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 3:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! What are you doing to backup your VM's? From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 8:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! Wow. This is perfect. You probably just saved me some serious coin. Thank you!!! -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! vSphere will see all the RAM, but the amount you'll be able to use (assuming vSphere 5) is licensed/controlled by your vRAM entitlement. It's one of the biggest and most contentious changes moving from 4.1 to 5. Here's VMware's licensing paper which lists it in all its glorious detail: http://www.vmware.com/files/pdf/vsphere_pricing.pdf So in a nutshell, yes, you'll have almost 600gb of RAM but will only be able to use 1/3rd of it without ponying up for more licenses. Nice eh?! From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 April 2012 7:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! So, even though I will have 588GB of RAM across all 3 hosts, VMware is only going to see and utilize 192GB? confused -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 2:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hooray, I'm moving to VMware! OK one more thing: vSphere Essentials Plus gives you 6 socket licenses for vSphere Standard. Each license gives you 32gb of vRAM entitlement. 6 x 32 = 192gb vRAM across all three hosts. So 196gb per host seems slightly excessive (consider we can and occasionally do run around 50 VM's on one host with 144gb
RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD
Perfect, I think that makes sense now as an architecture. I'm still a little unsure how you'd stop them from using ActiveSync directly assuming that you need to leave ActiveSync enabled, and you have your Exchange facing the Internet for OWA and RPC over HTTPS but I'm assuming there are a few ways such as blocking access to the ActiveSync Virtual Directories other than to the Airwatch IP. I'll have a word with Airwatch I think - their SaaS solution looks very cheap but I expect there are some costs that aren't listed. From: Bob Fronk [b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: 09 April 2012 7:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Yes. (Both are VM) From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Thanks Bob, so the secure mail gateway is what, some sort of AirWatch VM or something that the app talks to? From: Bob Fronk [b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: 09 April 2012 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD In my setup, we have a secure mail gateway. If the user removes the AirWatch App, they no longer get email from our server. They cannot bypass this as the secure gateway requires the app. Once we are fully deployed, there will be no other way to get Active Sync as this port will not be open externally and will be blocked / redirected to the secure gateway internally. BF From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Bob, how does Airwatch (or any other MDM if anyone reading has any experience) stop people from simply bypassing it and connecting their device directly to your ActiveSync without bothering with the MDP app? Thanks, Paul From: Bob Fronk [b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: 06 April 2012 3:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Using Airwatch for IOS devices. No BYOD though. Airwatch supports several OSs. So far, it has been able to do everything we need, save one – Add a proxy to Safari. The settings are there, it just does not work. Hopefully they will fix the bug and this will work soon. BF From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Are any of you using a third party MDM such as MaaS/MobileIron/AirWatch with either your company owned or BYOD tablets and phones? I’m about to look at tablets, most likely iPads, with an eye on possible BYOD for mobiles. These days if someone walks through the door with a personal device it’s an Apple with the odd Android or Windows Mobile/Windows Phone device. I can’t easily trial every MDM out there, and right now I don’t even know exactly what policies we’d want to enforce, but I know that ActiveSync can be variable with device support and devices can basically lie/ignore settings in some situations. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send
RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD
I'm hoping to speak to Good at some point. My understanding so far is that they're going to be a significantly more expensive option than the likes of Airwatch/MaaS though. From: Steven Peck [sep...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2012 9:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: MDM - Tablet/BYOD We block ActiveSync externally and use GOOD Technology for iPhones here. We are looking at a BYOD policy here. On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Bob Fronk b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com wrote: The SEG takes the place of your OWA, etc. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 3:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Perfect, I think that makes sense now as an architecture. I'm still a little unsure how you'd stop them from using ActiveSync directly assuming that you need to leave ActiveSync enabled, and you have your Exchange facing the Internet for OWA and RPC over HTTPS but I'm assuming there are a few ways such as blocking access to the ActiveSync Virtual Directories other than to the Airwatch IP. I'll have a word with Airwatch I think - their SaaS solution looks very cheap but I expect there are some costs that aren't listed. From: Bob Fronk [b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: 09 April 2012 7:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Yes. (Both are VM) From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 2:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Thanks Bob, so the secure mail gateway is what, some sort of AirWatch VM or something that the app talks to? From: Bob Fronk [b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: 09 April 2012 6:30 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD In my setup, we have a secure mail gateway. If the user removes the AirWatch App, they no longer get email from our server. They cannot bypass this as the secure gateway requires the app. Once we are fully deployed, there will be no other way to get Active Sync as this port will not be open externally and will be blocked / redirected to the secure gateway internally. BF From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 12:29 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Bob, how does Airwatch (or any other MDM if anyone reading has any experience) stop people from simply bypassing it and connecting their device directly to your ActiveSync without bothering with the MDP app? Thanks, Paul From: Bob Fronk [b...@btrfronk.commailto:b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: 06 April 2012 3:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Using Airwatch for IOS devices. No BYOD though. Airwatch supports several OSs. So far, it has been able to do everything we need, save one – Add a proxy to Safari. The settings are there, it just does not work. Hopefully they will fix the bug and this will work soon. BF From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 8:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: MDM - Tablet/BYOD Are any of you using a third party MDM such as MaaS/MobileIron/AirWatch with either your company owned or BYOD tablets and phones? I’m about to look at tablets, most likely iPads, with an eye on possible BYOD for mobiles. These days if someone walks through the door with a personal device it’s an Apple with the odd Android or Windows Mobile/Windows Phone device. I can’t easily trial every MDM out there, and right now I don’t even know exactly what policies we’d want to enforce, but I know that ActiveSync can be variable with device support and devices can basically lie/ignore settings in some situations. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
RE: Archiving Solutions?
Short term building up to a few Tb, long term goodness knows. RPO/RTO I take the view that it's archive data, so just being able to get it back is as far as a firm RPO/RTO requirement goes. Providing good redundant secondary storage is something I can easily cover, what I'm interested in is how to identify/get the data onto it, and whether people use tape, optical, something else as their full/final long term copy? I also think that something such as Enterprise Vault is overkill (we use Commvault for backup who do their own archiving product which I also think would be overkill), I'm also not convinced we need something that replaces files with stubs, just having a \\archive\file:///\\archive\ UNC path would probably do the job at our level. Paul From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: 01 April 2012 10:41 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Archiving Solutions? How much data are you talking about? Where is it currently stored? What are your user requirements for getting access to this data? RPO/RTOs for the solution? Etc. You can go all the way up to something like Symantec Enterprise Vault. But the question is whether you need these features or not. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 1 April 2012 5:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Archiving Solutions? I'm looking at how we archive data once it no longer needs to be on primary storage. What are people using that will do the basic job of identifying folders that have not changed in X period of time, and moving those folders to a second location on secondary storage? Once it's there, presumably it's not being backed up weekly along with your primary data, so how are you creating an offline full and final copy should the secondary storage fail please? Thanks, Paul ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: New to virtualization
The reality here is that you're not going to spend $130k on a virtualisation solution and not want to add more VM's, Honestly, just add DataCenter from the get-go - you'll make use of it I guarantee it. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 March 2012 14:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I admit it was a while back, it may have changed, or my understanding was incorrect. Or someone told me that and I read it that way. In any event, I think 12 total servers for his environment may be a bit low... Or it may not be. With Datacenter licensing, if he loses a host, he can move the guests to the other machines and do some back of the hand guestimate based on load balancing not licensing. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: No this is incorrect. Check the Microsoft Windows Server licensing guide: http://download.microsoft.com/download/0/D/9/0D9DDF52-A855-487B-9B74-5A09A9389551/Windows%20Server%20System%20Center%20and%20Forefront%20Pricing%20and%20Licensing%20Guide.pdf You can move individual VOSE licenses between Enterprise Hosts, provided that no host ends up exceeding the 1 POSE + 4 VOSE limit per enterprise license. For more than 4 VOSEs on a physical host, you need 2 (or more) enterprise licenses. Check out page 8 on the document above - has this exact example in a diagram. Cheers Ken From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2012 1:24 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization It's even a more (unenforcebly) stringent than that. If you run 4 VMs on 3 hosts with enterprise server on each host, you power down two and do a switch, you're in a licensing violation situation. Technically, you have to move all 3 from one host to another. So single licensing or Datacenter, or some oddball combination of single licenses and enterprise licenses (DAMHIKT). Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the way I read the license. And I prefer to play it straight/conservative. I'll look forward to your response in about 4-6 hours. On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: And I'm not familiar with the HP hardware, so it's very possible they can-I just didn't see anything about clustering in the original post. Why it's important is one thing MS had told us is if you are planning on clustering, in an environment like this, you are out of compliance with licensing as soon as you migrate the 5th VM over to a server that is only running Enterprise edition (such as to down one of the 3 servers for patching). That is of course, unless you own separate individual server licenses for those VMs. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: New to virtualization I have VM hosts at home that can support 6-8 hosts easily. At the office, we have hosts that can support 15-20 VMs pretty easily. Of course, this depends on the workload of the boxes, but for all but the most extreme workloads, this is probably doable. If you build each host to support 30-40% more VMs than normal, then you can suffer a failure of one of them without great difficulty. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Miller Bonnie L. mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edumailto:mille...@mukilteo.wednet.edu wrote: I don't see any mention of failover clustering. Right now, how much do you lose if one server is down? How much would you lose if 4 servers were down instead? Just a thought, but you could add another host server, or stick with three, run datacenter, and build them with enough guts to run 6 VMs each. That also gives you the ability to spin up test servers, etc, as you mentioned. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.commailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC,
RE: List Speed?
Cynical as I am I wouldn't attribute to malice what can be attributed to poor software or a configuration problem :) From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 March 2012 2:17 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd rather have fast list response and associated griping than the current situation. My cynical mind? GFI doesn't want to maintain the lists, or at least not do it for free. Sunbelt built a lot of goodwill by hosting the list and getting free advertising out of it. Since GFI has taken over, I see very little marketing to the lists, so I can't help but wonder if the lists are just being squeeze out. That's me. I'm a cynical guy. Note, it's not unreasonable for GFI to not want to continue hosting the list. They don't owe us anything. However, the reverse is true. And a lot of goodwill will end up getting trashed if the list response time isn't fixed, and it continues to hobble along like this for a while. I'm saying, in response to Richard's post, that I am willing to pay a little money for continued access to this community. I don't mind the OT posts, and a moderator can always step in and say, cool it, whether it is free or subscriber sponsored On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.commailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote: Yeah, but then everyone would feel justified in griping about OT posts. (I’m paying good money for this?!?!) -Paul From: Guyer, Donald [mailto:dgu...@che.orgmailto:dgu...@che.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List Speed? I’d be in for an annual fee. The (useful and applicable) knowledge I’ve gained participating in this list far outweighs any other source I’ve been exposed to, ever. Regards, Don Guyer Directory and Messaging Services Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:57 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List Speed? I'd pay. Even annually. The utility of this list is approaching nil. Yeah, I go off-topic, I admit it. Find a frequent contributor who doesn't... Waiting 4 or more hours for a reply, seeing multiple postings about the same item (Dell acquiring Sonicwall) is something I can do without. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.commailto:rich...@gmail.com wrote: $.02 It's a disaster anymore. Throw in something like the BBQ discussion, or any other topic which generates a lot of traffic, and it's all over for hours. Why this has persisted for so long is incomprehensible to me. I realize that the lists are a free service, and I am truly, truly grateful for them. And the simple matter of the fact is that they're just not working very effectively anymore. My vote is to either kill the lists or fix them.* I think a lot of people would be somewhat saddened to see the Sunbelt lists go away after all this time, but I also feel confident that most everyone would resubscribe somewhere else pretty darn quickly if an alternative presented itself and was made known to all the members. * Would I pay a voluntary one-time fee of $5 or $10 to help defray the cost of upgrading friggin' Lyris? Yes. Yes I would. /$.02 2012/3/13 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Did we ever get anywhere with list speed? A post today took an hour to show up (and before I started to receive any out-of-office replies so that's not just the time taken to make it to my Inbox). I know there was a thread that mentioned issues with a Lyris upgrade, but I don't remember seeing anything beyond that? Respectfully, the delays are really starting to make me think twice about posting as I find myself thinking It'll take an hour to appear, someone will have already responded by then. MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read
RE: New to virtualization
If it were me, given the limited details (no mention of IOPs), I would be looking at the new G8 HP or 12g Dell servers that can take a lot more spindles, with a view to using DAS and running a Virtual SAN under VMware. DataCenter is the way to go ideally as you will end up with more VM's than you expected to and an Enterprise license doesn't (I think) allow you to shift VM's around if you follow it strictly. Spend some of your money on CALs and infrastructure rather than blowing the lot on running a 10 year old OS on a spanky new hardware SAN IMO. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 15:04 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here's what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host's CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)... right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn't something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me... I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: New to virtualization
I guess this is where it's easy for me to say this, but if you have the time and inclination do take on board mine and others suggestions to dig out a spare box and just play like mad with VMware/Hyper-V and a couple of the VSA/NAS distributions that you can download - honestly it'll just put you in such a good position when you're speaking to any potential reseller, and respectfully as I don't know your situation, it may allow you to re-evaluate the $40k's worth of services on the quote :) One of the problems you'll probably face is that if you don't have a very specific set of requirements, most SAN/NAS solutions will likely do what you want - this is good because it gives you choice, but it's bad because other than price it can be difficult to grade solutions based on need. NetApp is good kit, but you do pay for it, so again just be very sure what licenses and support is/is not included, how long it is for, and what any future expansion is likely to set you back. Basically don't rush it :) From: David Mazzaccaro [david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 6:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization The total $130k proposal does include 200 W2008 CALs, 75 Citrix Xenapp licenses, new PIX ASA firewall, and ~$40k of services. It would also bring my domain up to 2008 R2, a new Citrix XenApp farm. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: New to virtualization If it were me, given the limited details (no mention of IOPs), I would be looking at the new G8 HP or 12g Dell servers that can take a lot more spindles, with a view to using DAS and running a Virtual SAN under VMware. DataCenter is the way to go ideally as you will end up with more VM’s than you expected to and an Enterprise license doesn’t (I think) allow you to shift VM’s around if you follow it strictly. Spend some of your money on CALs and infrastructure rather than blowing the lot on running a 10 year old OS on a spanky new hardware SAN IMO. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 13 March 2012 15:04 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: New to virtualization Hi all, I am starting to investigate moving our aging network infrastructure into the virtual world. ~ 10 servers, 6-7 years old Windows 2003 domain Exchange 2003 Citrix 4.0 farm ~190 users After some initial discussions w/ a reseller, here’s what they are recommending: (3) DL 380 G7 servers (to host the VMs) ~$18,000 (1) Net App FAS2240 (this is the SAN that would host 12 600GB drives of storage for the VMs) ~$20,000 VMWare essentials plus kit (VMware software) ~$5200 (3) MS Windows 2008 R2 Enterprise (this would allow the 3 HP servers to run 4 Windows 2008 VMs each) I guess the way it would work is that the VMs would reside on the SAN, and the 3 hosts would call up the SAN to load each VM utilizing the host’s CPU, RAM, NIC, etc.)… right? I have meetings scheduled w/ 2 other vendors, but verbally both have started the conversation along the same path as above. Being very new to VM, does the above scenario seem to make sense? It is hard for me to imagine all that traffic going between the SAN and the host servers w/o creating a huge bottleneck (over gig Ethernet) Do people recommend virtualizing every server? Domain controllers? Exchange? Citrix farm (4 server)? Shouldn’t something be left physical? Is 7 TB of storage enough (probably only 3 usable after array config)? Is the net app a decent appliance? $20k sounds cheap to me… I have done a little more reading, and from what I understand w/ 3 Windows Enterprise licenses, I would be limiting myself to 12 VMs. However, if I went w/ 3 Windows Datacenter licenses, for a small increase in price - I would get unlimited VMs? Which would allow for actually having a testing environment, and better patch deployment? Thx . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
RE: Windows File Archive
The thing that strikes me about all of this is that in this day and age nothing disappears, everything is searchable (including email addresses) and it's not unknown of for potential employers to Google potential hires. This of course works both ways in that if there's a bunch of posts from a potential hire for a networking job asking What is an IP address? it doesn't look great, it also doesn't look great when you have a bunch of so-called professionals acting like a bunch of bitchy little girls in a school playground. It seems a little sad and unnessecary tbh. From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] Sent: 10 March 2012 05:52 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Windows File Archive I'm astounded that you think personal name-calling is an acceptable way to behave. Do you treat peers and customers the same way when they ask you questions that you think are incomplete or naïve? Cheers Ken From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012 11:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows File Archive Acceptable is a relative term. Knowing Gary as well as I do I can assure you it was acceptable to him. Knowing others here as well I can safely say it's acceptable to them as well. Honestly Gary's response is pretty spot on, the function of a professional list typically is for peers of an expected experience level, and part of that expectation is to do some of your own work as this is not a place for could you please do my thinking for me? The correlation to Carpet Boy is apropos as a good known reference point for repeated offenses of this type of generally agreed upon unacceptable behavior. That said, given my record here, I expect to be summarily ignored. - WJR On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 00:53, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Calling someone as asshole is acceptable, simply because they asked an incomplete question? Or asking if they are related to carpet boy? That's ad hominem, unnecessary and unprofessional. Whilst we might have disagreements, let's keep the conversation civil, and talking about the topic and not the man/woman. Cheers Ken From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:michealespin...@gmail.commailto:michealespin...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 9 March 2012 11:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows File Archive On the otherhand, a bitch-slap can be a healthy and needed aspect of Apprenticeship. It makes people think - about thinking for themselves and to make greater considerations of the details involved with whatever their question may be - before they ask an incomplete question, or try to move forward with an incomplete thought again. This list, while very friendly, has been more tolerating than recently than in the past of such things. Not necessarily a bad thing, but also something notably annoying to many more experienced professionals. And there is the rub; this is a bitch-slap, not an act of unprofessional - because this is not a professional forum. This forum is highly social, and a bitch-slap is a social adjustment. -- Espi On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:30 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: While I may not employ Gary's colorful vocabulary, I agree with his basic sentiment. I would think a solution would include such a capability. If you are rolling your own then I suggest testing as I have had false positives with robocopy. On Thursday, March 8, 2012, Cesare' A. Ramos cra...@idfllc.commailto:cra...@idfllc.com wrote: Some of you on this list need to get out more or understand what the purpose of a professional exchange is, as it is my understanding these lists are for. At times we all need to bounce things off each other, as no one person has all the answers. In addition, questions are simple at times there is no need for high level of complexity to impress anyone. Thanks for the help Michael and Joseph, clearly you guys read the subject on the e-mail. CAR From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.commailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Windows File Archive The problem with you damn do-gooders trying to answer his question is: * he hasn't stated what system he's working on, * or copying to, * or what he's tried, * or what he's considered. Is robocopy a windows only solution? (All I know it as, and I'm not interested enough to look it up). Suppose he's on unix, linux, or mac? (I understand some people use those?). Or even some old fashioned big iron or something in-between like an AS/400 (yes, I know what they're called now)... I realize it's not likely, given the third-grade nature of his question. But after all, he does work for a company billing itself as 'Your Technology Solutions Provider'. So be careful, folks, he's a
RE: Employee Remote Access to Desktop
SSL VPN with an app that proxies TS sessions. From: Rhonda Richardson [rrichard...@kcumb.edu] Sent: 02 March 2012 2:41 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Employee Remote Access to Desktop We currently have 50 - 100 folks that want access to applications (specifically licensed to the desktop) and network resources from home or on the road. For those that have laptops, we plan to provide them with a VPN client to give them access to the network, but the majority of the folks wanting access have desktop PCs. How are others providing this type of access for those that don't have laptops? Thanks. Rhonda ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Limiting DHCP
I don't quite follow the link between your DMZ and people being able to just plug into a network port, but if you use DHCP with MAC reservations you're still not going to prevent someone from plugging something in and assigning it a static IP. From: Evan Brastow [mailto:ebras...@automatedemblem.com] Sent: 21 February 2012 17:35 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Limiting DHCP Hi all, I've recently set up a wireless router in the DMZ on our firewall. This will allow consultants, salesmen, etc... to have a connection to the Internet when they come in, with no connection to our network. Now, however, in order to take the final step in this process and be sure someone can't just plug into a network port, it would seem I need to do one of two things: 1) Stop our DHCP server and give all network devices (less than 50 or so) static IP's. or 2) Restrict DHCP to only listed MAC addresses. So, my questions are - which of these two would be easier (does it really make much difference?) or is there a third option I don't see? Thanks, as always :) Evan ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Picking up file server tuning again
If you're going to open PST files off a server, you at least want a x64 version of Windows. One of my biggest frustrations with the FSRM on Windows 2008 is that you can't specify that a particular type of file can be stored on a sever, but not opened from the server. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 14 February 2012 7:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Picking up file server tuning again RE: PST files. This might well be part of the issue: #net file | findstr /i pst 21310605 J:\Home\...\Archive PSTs\archive.pstUSER1 0 21310606 J:\Home\USER1\Archive PSTs\x.PSTUSER1 0 21359101 J:\Home\...\ Folders.pstUSER2 2 21375086 J:\Home\...\Outlook\.pstUSER3 1 21375089 J:\Home\...\Outlook\~.pst.tmp USER3 0 21375091 J:\Home\...\Outlook\Jokes.pst USER3 1 21375094 J:\Home\...\Outlook\~Jokes.pst.tmp USER3 0 21386255 J:\Home\USER4\Private\USER4.pst USER4 1 Kurt On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 19:25, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Well, the % Interrupts/DPC Time/Kernel Mode CPU time isn't necessarily going to be fixed by x64. It may very well mean you've got some crappy drivers in play. The disk stuff indicates the disk is not fast enough to keep up with demand. You can solve that with more spindles or faster spindles. Page Pool utilization will be resolved by x64 (or even x86 on 2008). That's indicative of crappy drivers, large tokens, and/or people doing things like using PSTs off file shares. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438tel:312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132tel:312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Picking up file server tuning again Well, the kernel mode, paged pool, and interrupt time are items that will be specifically reduced with an x64 OS. The I/O situation is indicative of disk queuing which is hypervisor related. Dunno how you optimize that in VMware, there are a number of potentials in Hyper-V. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 5:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Picking up file server tuning again It *is* a busy box, and migrating the iSCSI LUNs to a 64bit server is something I've definitely considered. I have a Dell R310 with 16gb RAM that I could use, but it's already got 9 active VMs, although they're not heavy hitters. AFAICT, probably the highest-use machines on the ESXi 4.1 box are the secondary DC (no FSMO roles, but does do DNS and WINS) and the issuing CA box. It's currently a VM on what I believe to be an underpowered ESX 3.5 box - I think it's possible that it's simply starved for resources on that ESX box. I'm sure there's something out there like perfmon for VMware that I can use to capture performance over time - I'd like to measure and analyze the performance of the ESX 3.5 box while the backups are happening against the file server. I'm also considering moving the Win2k3 file server VM to the ESX box and seeing if the situation improves. Kurt On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 12:08, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote: That's a busy box. I'd suggest moving to a 64-bit OS. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 3:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Picking up file server tuning again Ran PAL against the log. Um, wow. It's a freaking christmas tree - red and yellow all over the place in CPU and disk. Who should I be talking with to analyze this? A sample of the issues shown - all of which show up in more than one time slice - some in every or almost every slice: o- More than 50% Processor Utilization o- More than 30% privileged (kernel) mode CPU usage o- More than 2 packets are waiting in the output queue o- Greater than 25ms physical disk READ response times o- Greater than 25ms physical disk WRITE response times o- More than 80% of Pool Paged Kernel Memory Used o- More than 2 I/O's are waiting on the physical disk o- 20 (Processor(_Total)\DPC Rate) o- More than 30% Interrupt Time o- Greater than 1000 page inputs per second (Memory\Pages Input/sec) Some things that showed no alerts: o- Memory\Available MBytes o- Memory\Free System Page Table Entrie o- Memory\Pages/sec o- Memory\System Cache Resident Bytes o- Memory\Cache Bytes o- Memory\% Committed Bytes In Use o- Network Interface(*)\% Network
RE: Client requiring a VPN Connection to their network... Um?
The usual way of doing this would be to have a VPN tunnel between your edge firewall and theirs and to use your firewall to acl access between the networks. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 February 2012 14:33 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Client requiring a VPN Connection to their network... Um? Concerned about this, not sure how to proceed, and this is a first for me. A long time customer has suddenly required that we access their B2B portal via installing their VPN software, essentially connecting to their network in order to access the portal. (We in the past, and going forward, we utilize heavily). My concerns: They gave us 1 day notice. (Hardly, more like 12 hours). They emailed us Sunday and expected that I have the vpn clients installed on all PCs by the AM. I have no idea of their security on the tunnel, and what lies on their network that could seep onto our machines. Their tunnelling policy is not to my liking... It hijacks all our connections, so that our users would not be able to print, access email, file servers, our gateway, etc. (Which might be safer... the networks essentially can't talk to each other.) So there would be no way our users could get anything done with the connection active. By their short notice and poor planning, the poor documentation, and the badly configured installer they gave us, I just don't have much trust in the system and their security practices. I know this must happen elsewhere with B2B stuff, is there a model I should be following? Questions I should be asking? Agreements and security policies to be signed? I would sure think so. In the mean time, I'm going to set up a dumb-kiosk on an isolated network with the VPN software so my users can at least walk up to it and access what they need so our projects keep moving. I'm going to try and address my concerns with them, but from what I hear, their IT dept is quite hard to work with, if you can even get anyone to help. (It's a very large company). Any thoughts and suggestions would be highly appreciated. TIA. Sam ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: EMC limitations?
Apologies if I'm stating the obvious but do take into account your full backup schedule - with many systems this is going to be one of the peak/sustained IO periods. From: Ed Anderson [anderso...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 February 2012 3:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: EMC limitations? I would also like a copy of that template. Has anyone used the perfmon kits supplied by the storage vendors? EMC has one that I'm going to run starting Monday for 24 hours to measure the activity and storage requirements on the servers. I also have Dells iokit to run for their equalogic storage. Ed Anderson edw...@gmail.commailto:edw...@gmail.com On Thursday, February 9, 2012, Rene de Haas rene.deh...@gmail.commailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com wrote: +1 And maybe not just Kurt. René Op 8 feb. 2012 12:09 schreef Bob Hartung bhart...@wiscoind.commailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com het volgende: So EMC creates an artificial limitation in order to expand/enhance their revenue stream by seeming to seem more cost competitive with other vendors. Then they are vague about the limitation. That's a great approach for an entry level product. I can see their slogan EMC...be sure to check the fine print!. I'm sure Kurt will be thinking all kinds of good thoughts about EMC on the next SAN project. -- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.comhttp://wiscoind.com From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:36:14 -0600 Subject: Re: EMC limitations? No offense taken, and none meant on my part either - just some disagreement spiced a bit too heavily with the frustration. I do understand that caveat emptor applies, and that it would have been better if we'd done more research, but that bit of misdirection on their part was just a bit rich... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:30, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before
RE: Picking up file server tuning again
You've mentioned that backups are slow, but not how you're doing the backups? Where I would start along with things like perfmon is with a simple, straight multi-threaded file copy - see how much you can actually send over the LAN from the source file server to a variety of destinations. For example if you're on gig ethernet end to end and you're consistently able to get 100MB/Sec (for example) doing a multi-threaded robocopy then I think you can reasonably safely say your problem is with tuning the backup software. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 February 2012 10:42 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Picking up file server tuning again I'm getting back to monitoring my situation with the file server again, and just finished a perfmon session covering the 3rd through the 7th of this month. Simultaneously, I set up perfmon on the same workstation to monitor the backup server. If anyone cares to help, I'd be deeply appreciative. I set up perfmon on a Win7 VM on an ESXi 4.1 host to take measurements at 60 second intervals of a whole bunch of counters, many of them probably just noise. I'll describe the history of the configuration first, however: The file server is a Win2k3 R2 VM running on a ESX 3.5 host with 16g of RAM - it's one of 10 VMs, and is definitely the heaviest hitter in terms of disk I/O. About 2.5-3 months ago we noticed that the time to completion for the weekly full backups spiked dramatically. Prior to that time, the fulls would start around 7pm on a Friday, and finish by about 7pm on Sunday. Now they take until Thursday or Friday to complete. This coincided with some changes to the environment: I had to move the VM to a new host (it was a manual copy - we don't have vmotion licensed and configured for these hosts) and at about that time I also had to expand 2 of the 4 LUNS. Finally, the OS drive for the VM on the old host was on a LUN on our Lefthand unit - I had to migrate it to the local disk storage on the new home for the VM. The 4 data drives for this VM are attached via the MSFT iSCSI client running on the VM, not through VMWare's iSCSI client. So, at that point, all of the LUNS were on the Lefthand SAN, which is a 3-node cluster, and we use 2-way replication for all LUNS. The 2 LUNS that were expanded went to 2tb or slightly beyond. The Lefthand has two NSM 2060s and a P4300G2, with 6 and 8 disks each, respectively - a total of 20 disks Since that time, I've also added in our EMC VNXe 3100 with 6 disks in it in a RAID6 array. I mention this because this means that all of the file systems on the VNXe are clean and defragged. Currently, I've migrated 3 of the 4 data LUNs for the VM to the EMC. I made sure to align the partitions on the EMC to a megabyte boundary. So, to make this simpler to visualize, a little table: c: - local disk on ESX 3.5, 40gb, 23.6gb free j: - iSCSI LUN on Lefthand, 2.5tb, 900gb free k: - iSCSI LUN on VNXe, 1.98tb, 336gb free l: - iSCSI LUN on VNXe, 1tb, 79gb free m: - iSCSI LUN on VNXe 750gb, 425gb free I tried to capture separate disk queue stats for each LUN, but in spite of selecting and adding each drive letter separately in the perfmon interface, all I got was _Total. Selected stats are as follows: PhysicalDisk counters Current disk queue length - average 0.483, maximum 33.000 Average disk read queue length - 0.037, maximum 1.294 %disk time - average 34.068, maximum 153.877 Average disk write queue length - average 0.645, maximum 2.828 Average disk queue length - average 0.681, maximum 3.078 I have more data on PhysicalDisk, and data on other objects, including Memory, NetworkInterface, Paging File, Processor and Server Work Queues. If anyone has thoughts, I'd surely like to hear them. Thanks, Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Printer/Copier/MFP Contract Renewal
A very fair point, but there has to be some through the door criteria to start with as you just can't talk to every single vendor. Things I'd take for granted like being able to hook up to LDAP for sending emails, or being able to set all parameters via the web gui rather than having to be stood in front of the thing, a range of machines from desktop through to heavy duty office use and so on... From: Ben Scott [mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 February 2012 5:00 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Printer/Copier/MFP Contract Renewal On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Right now I’ll keep it a very broad question – who have you had good and bad experiences with? This is a perennial question on this list. :-) The consensus seems to be that all printers suck, and it's the local vendor's service and support which matter far more. That's certainly my experience. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: EMC limitations?
I can't think of too many sectors that seem to have such a mix of lies, damned lies, and statistics as the storage industry. From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: 08 February 2012 14:43 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: EMC limitations? We're still going through a storage upgrade migration. The things that frustrated me the most were: - Each company uses metrics on their spec pages that most favorably portray their product. It takes time and effort to sort through the bull and get down to the facts. - It's difficult as heck (especially from EMC, not quite so much with NetApp) to get an evaluation unit so you can run your own benchmarks. - When you're running a mixed environment of Windows and UNIX, each company will tell you it will work but you'll always be surprised (especially when you can't get an evaluation unit). Incidentally, EMC lost a sale to us because they wouldn't provide an eval. -Paul From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: EMC limitations? I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.commailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did find one of their sheets that does say the size is limited to that. http://www.emc.com/collateral/hardware/specification-sheet/h8515-vnxe-ss.pdf Thanks, Mathew -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:22 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: EMC limitations? I've got a new-ish (January) EMC VNXe 3100, and have run into a troubling limitation - in use as an iSCSI device, it
RE: EMC limitations?
Agreed absolutely, if it came across that way that wasn't my intention. -Original Message- From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 February 2012 15:55 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: EMC limitations? It certainly isn't limited to EMC. The FUD that storage vendors will throw around can be quite comical at times. On 2/8/12, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: I can't think of too many sectors that seem to have such a mix of lies, damned lies, and statistics as the storage industry. From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] Sent: 08 February 2012 14:43 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: EMC limitations? We're still going through a storage upgrade migration. The things that frustrated me the most were: - Each company uses metrics on their spec pages that most favorably portray their product. It takes time and effort to sort through the bull and get down to the facts. - It's difficult as heck (especially from EMC, not quite so much with NetApp) to get an evaluation unit so you can run your own benchmarks. - When you're running a mixed environment of Windows and UNIX, each company will tell you it will work but you'll always be surprised (especially when you can't get an evaluation unit). Incidentally, EMC lost a sale to us because they wouldn't provide an eval. -Paul From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:30 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: EMC limitations? I certainly didn't mean to offend you nor do I blame you for being frustrated. It's just that companies aren't going to list their lack of functionality for all to see. What you're running into is not necessarily an issue, but rather a limitation. Now a good reseller would have done a better job of trying to identify your requirements and then used those to pitch a higher-end solution (if justified). I'm assuming Lyris won't allow attachments so I'm forwarding the template to those that expressed interest individually. - Sean On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 18:10, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is one of those scenarios where I think the customer needs to take responsibility. A good practice to get into is the creation of technical requirement matrices and business requirement matrices. It helps you put on paper what capabilities you need in a solution and gives the vendor a uniform method of informing you of the strengths and weaknesses of their platform. We typically tier our requirements into 3 categories that allows us to weigh the importance of features. For example, a tier 1 requirement might be that the solution support fiber channel or iscsi where a tier 2 or 3 requirement might be support for sub-lun tiering or a 64bit OS to leverage larger cache. This is EMC for crying out loud - arguably the leader in the field, and it's a software issue. We're not talking about going with lesser hardware, which can steeply influence the costs. As well, I was given to understand that this is a relatively new line for them. They have the software in hand, and my 4 year old Lefthands don't have this limitation. I do place this 99% on them (split in some fashion between EMC and the reseller). I'll hand the 1% to my manager, who had used them before, doesn't like the Lefthands, and trusted the reseller rep he's worked with at his prior company. I was given no say in the matter - I suggested another LH unit. It may be too little too late but I'd be happy to share the template we used for our last storage purchase. That might actually be a nice thing - we might not technically outgrow the unit, as it can stack a huge number of disks, but I don't see us doing a whole lot more with it, given that limitation, and the other that raised my dander. - Sean On Feb 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com wrote: If true, it would have been nice of them to disclose that before purchase, methinks... Kurt On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 17:04, Sean Martin seanmarti...@gmail.commailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com wrote: I believe the next versions of VNX (5700, 7500, etc) support SCSI 3 protocol which would not have that limitation. I believe this was a limitation that was purposely introduced into the VNXe because EMC is marketing it as an entry level all-in-one storage solution. They need reasons for customers to scale up to the more expensive platforms. I believe even the older CX, CX3 and CX4 models supported SCSI 3. - Sean On 2/7/12, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.commailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote: I have not used an EMC in a while but that does sound familiar. I did
RE: IOPS's calculations
As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: IOPS's calculations
Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
RE: IOPS's calculations
I don't think SAN vs. DAS/NAS should matter tbh, just the spindles in the array - no expert either I just muddle by. This is what I was going from - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938625.aspx From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 4:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you’re looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I’d track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: IOPS's calculations
I think even DAS is getting smarter these days. I've just had a new Dell arrive and whilst we aren't using the feature, it seems the PERC can use an SSD drive as cache, which I thought was pretty cool for such an entry level box of tricks (relatively speaking). From: Brian Desmond [br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 5:58 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Gets more interesting with SAN though when you have something like a Netapp FlashCache or something in the mix Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I don't think SAN vs. DAS/NAS should matter tbh, just the spindles in the array - no expert either I just muddle by. This is what I was going from - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc938625.aspx From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 4:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations I'm not a SAN expert. But for typical RAID subsystems, I don't want the physical queue to exceed the number of disks in the array. If it does, then I've got excessive queuing and degraded performance. I don't see how it would be different for a SAN, but I dunno. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Most guides I've read suggest if the LUN has 10 physical disks, you don't want the queue to exceed around 20, or if you have 5 disks a queue of 10 and so on. -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 15:06 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Where do you get x 2 ? I was with you - until that. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations As a rule of thumb queue length shouldn't exceed the physical number of disks in the array that the LUN is on x 2. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 February 2012 13:50 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: IOPS's calculations So, to which counters should I be paying attention in such a situation, or what should be the difference in interpretation? I've got a file server that's being extremely slow to back up, though daily performance is adequate. I'm seeing disk queue length hit as high as 37, with 5 LUNS for the machine. Kurt On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 21:32, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Those perf counters can be a bit misleading when you're looking at a SAN on the backend, though. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: IOPS's calculations Disk Reads per second Disk Writes per second Average Disk Queue Length I'd track both logical disk and physical disk. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:mark.rei...@prairie.edu] Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:56 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: IOPS's calculations Hi folks, Thanks for all your help in the past. Looking at setting up a SAN. From my research, I think one thing to be aware of is current IOPS (disk). There are a number of sites that will help you determine IOPS based on what hard drives (and RAID configuration). My question is: Many of my current servers are light use. The IOPS that these servers are capable of is much greater than what is actually being used. So, in order to more properly size the SAN, is there a way to determine working IOPS? That is, what is actually being used? I assume Perfmon would help, and will need to log over a period of time (I think a week would be about right, to catch most scenarios). But what counters, and how to analyze those counters? Servers are Windows 2003. Thanks. Mark Reimer, A+, MCSA Servers Networking Admin Prairie Bible Institute Box 4000 Three Hills, AB T0M-2N0 Canada Tel: 403-443-5511, Ext. 3476 Fax: 403-443-5540 Email: mark.rei...@prairie.edu www.prairie.edu ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
RE: List response time is abysmal
Don I'm just curious, is it hosted in-house or outsourced? Many of the lists I've been on in the past (and some we run) use Mailman. I've never set it up myself but it does seem to just work - this is the only list I've seen this kind of delay on due to, basically, throttling. With any other list hold-ups are due to things like moderation. The problem is it causes troubleshooting threads to become near as damnit impossible as a 6 reply thread could be up to 2 hours vs. a few minutes. From: Donald Bittenbender [mailto:donald.bittenben...@gfi.com] Sent: 27 January 2012 15:12 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: List response time is abysmal I will take your comments to GFI and see if there's anything that can be done to improve this situation. Thanks for everyone's feedback. Donald Bittenbender Software Developer GFI Software - www.gfi.comhttp://www.gfi.com/ Tel.: +1 866 389 5597 ext 6065Mob.: +1 727 748 2708 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 9:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: List response time is abysmal While I recognize that the hosting of the list is a free option to us users, one hopse that GFI does recognise some benefit out of hosting this community. That being said, this community is likely to die off if we can't expect reasonable mail turnaround. Reverting to a prior version seems like a good idea, if it is at all possible. Or finding another product. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Donald Bittenbender donald.bittenben...@gfi.commailto:donald.bittenben...@gfi.com wrote: When we performed our most recent upgrade we noticed that Lyris now has an SMTP Send Limit and it will not send more than xx messages over xx amount of time. This gets worse the faster people post to the list with xx hours. Unfortunately there isn't anything we can do about it at the moment, but coded into Lyris itself. Donald Bittenbender Software Developer GFI Software - www.gfi.comhttp://www.gfi.com Tel.: +1 866 389 5597 ext 6065Mob.: +1 727 748 2708 -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: List response time is abysmal I know others have mentioned it, but it's really noticeable... I'm talking *hours* between when I send in an email and when I see it back in my inbox. More RAM, faster disks, fatter pipe? I won't say it's unusable, but it's getting less comfortable. Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin DISCLAIMER The information contained in this electronic mail may be confidential or legally privileged. It is for the intended recipient(s) only. Should you receive this message in error, please notify the sender by replying to this mail. Please do not read, copy, forward or store this message unless you are an intended recipient of it - unauthorized use of contents is strictly prohibited. Unless expressly stated, opinions in this message are those of the individual sender and not of GFI. While all care has been taken, GFI is not responsible for the integrity or the contents of this electronic mail and any attachments included within. (GFI2011) ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete
RE: Robocopy - rolling copy of the last X days?
That will handle the copy part, but it doesn't seem to do a rolling purge of what's on the destination - neither to the /purge or /mir switches. From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: 25 January 2012 13:43 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Robocopy - rolling copy of the last X days? /MAXAGE: From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 5:11 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Robocopy - rolling copy of the last X days? This is a little embarrassing as I'm sure I'm missing something obvious but... how can I use robocopy to copy the last X days of files from source to destination, so that the destination only ever contains the last X days too? I can tell it to ignore the old files in the source, what I simply cannot fathom is how to make it mirror this to the destination so I only ever have the last X days worth of files. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Moving Exchange 2003 into a DMZ
Don't they have more of an issue with it being Exchange 2003 than it being in your DMZ? From: itli...@imcu.com [itli...@imcu.com] Sent: 25 January 2012 6:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Moving Exchange 2003 into a DMZ NCUA audtiors want to know why we don't have it is our DMZ currently. At one point I knew an answer but today I don't have a clue. I know the user access OWA or activesync throught he outside interface of the Firewall. The Firewall NAT's/PAT's the address to my local Lan. The outside interface has a Cert from GoDaddy. Is that really enough? Only access to port 25 or 443 is allowed through the firewall. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Posted At: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:19 AM Posted To: itli...@imcu.com Conversation: Moving Exchange 2003 into a DMZ Subject: Re: Moving Exchange 2003 into a DMZ Why would you do that? How many ports do you intend to connect from the internet to the Exchange box? And how many are you going to have to open up between the DMZ and the LAN in order to get it to function? What problem do you hope to solve by moving it? ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:13 AM, itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com itli...@imcu.commailto:itli...@imcu.com wrote: I have Exchange 2003 sitting here on my local lan. I want to move it to my Firewall lan and set it in the DMZ lan there. From the outside interface of the Firewall I just need to NAT/PAT it to the new DMZ ip address. No change to the SSL Cert because that is to the outside interface(Correct?) From the clients that are internal when I change the DNS record they should point to the internal DMZ address of the server with no client changes? (Correct?) Smartphones and tablets that have email coming to them use the outside interface fo the firewall so they should be fine? (Correct?) If I have management consoles that send SMTP email internally (VirusScan type things) or those interfaces that use IP instead of FQDN, they will have to be manually corrected when the move happens to point to the internal DMZ address of the server? (Correct?) Thanks ahead of time. Also, what would it take to just build an Exchange 2010 server and just start migrating users to it instead of moving my 2003 box anyways? As always I am humbly asking to not be beaten for my stupidity but given your wisdom on the subject instead. Thanks David ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Task Scheduler throttling tasks?
Turns out that the Windows 2008 Task Scheduler starts tasks at a lower than normal priority by default. Best of all you can't see or change this through the GUI, you have to export the task to an XML file, edit the priority in the XML file, then import it again. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 20 January 2012 17:19 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? Again, I'm personally patchy on the details as I've not been given many yet, but the guy who looks after this box will know more about the in's and out's of the apps running on it than I do. He's telling me all things are equal other than the way he's calling the task, which for now I shall take his word on. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 January 2012 16:40 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? Is there a time differential? Are you running the batch file at the same time as it would run as a scheduled task? What happens when you run the batch file manually at that time? What happens when you run the scheduled task immediately, not at it's normally scheduled time? In a networked environment, it's rarely a batch file that does 'stuff.' There are a lot of variables left out. The task may be irrelevant, the timing may not. Or vice versa, or both, or neither! On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Appreciate that, but I don't know any more myself yet. It's a general If you're just running a batch file that does stuff, would you expect a scheduled task to behave differently to an interactive task if you hadn't done something specific to tell it to? for now. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 January 2012 16:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? I think we need more details to of the scheduled job as well as what the task does that might be different under a scheduler vs interactively. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: We have a task (not one of mine so not sure entirely what it is/does that, when run interactively takes a certain amount of time to complete. The same task when run via a scheduled task, takes much longer to complete. Apparently it's entirely reproducible and along the lines of a batch file being run. Any ideas why this might be assuming the info I'm being given is accurate and it's the exact same command/script is being called via the schedule task? The OS is 2008 R2 SP1. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
RE: Task Scheduler throttling tasks?
Background. I've not seen any documentation that suggests that the Task Scheduler defaults change thought. Still seems odd that it's not visible/obvious in the GUI tbh. From: Andrew S. Baker [asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: 24 January 2012 12:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? Is the server configured to favor foreground applications or background tasks? ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Turns out that the Windows 2008 Task Scheduler starts tasks at a lower than normal priority by default. Best of all you can’t see or change this through the GUI, you have to export the task to an XML file, edit the priority in the XML file, then import it again. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 20 January 2012 17:19 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? Again, I’m personally patchy on the details as I’ve not been given many yet, but the guy who looks after this box will know more about the in’s and out’s of the apps running on it than I do. He’s telling me all things are equal other than the way he’s calling the task, which for now I shall take his word on. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 January 2012 16:40 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? Is there a time differential? Are you running the batch file at the same time as it would run as a scheduled task? What happens when you run the batch file manually at that time? What happens when you run the scheduled task immediately, not at it's normally scheduled time? In a networked environment, it's rarely a batch file that does 'stuff.' There are a lot of variables left out. The task may be irrelevant, the timing may not. Or vice versa, or both, or neither! On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Appreciate that, but I don’t know any more myself yet. It’s a general “If you’re just running a batch file that does “stuff”, would you expect a scheduled task to behave differently to an interactive task if you hadn’t done something specific to tell it to?” for now. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 January 2012 16:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? I think we need more details to of the scheduled job as well as what the task does that might be different under a scheduler vs interactively. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: We have a task (not one of mine so not sure entirely what it is/does that, when run interactively takes a certain amount of time to complete. The same task when run via a scheduled task, takes much longer to complete. Apparently it’s entirely reproducible and along the lines of a batch file being run. Any ideas why this might be assuming the info I’m being given is accurate and it’s the exact same command/script is being called via the schedule task? The OS is 2008 R2 SP1. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: did i screw up? need to fix fast.
I've found this command to be very useful for monitoring snapshot deletion as the VI Client basically lies: watch ls -luth *.vmdk -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:mblackst...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 January 2012 13:46 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: did i screw up? need to fix fast. This is something that bugs about ESX. Once it gets to 99% it may sit there for hours depending on the size of the snapshot. You never know how long it will take. -Original Message- From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:11 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: did i screw up? need to fix fast. I once saw an exchange server that took about two hours after reaching 99 per cent deleting a snapshot --Original Message-- From: WJH To: NT System Admin Issues ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: did i screw up? need to fix fast. Sent: 20 Jan 2012 21:24 i did delete it using esxi. removing snapshot task has been sitting on 99% for about 5 minutes now. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Task Scheduler throttling tasks?
Appreciate that, but I don't know any more myself yet. It's a general If you're just running a batch file that does stuff, would you expect a scheduled task to behave differently to an interactive task if you hadn't done something specific to tell it to? for now. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 January 2012 16:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? I think we need more details to of the scheduled job as well as what the task does that might be different under a scheduler vs interactively. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: We have a task (not one of mine so not sure entirely what it is/does that, when run interactively takes a certain amount of time to complete. The same task when run via a scheduled task, takes much longer to complete. Apparently it's entirely reproducible and along the lines of a batch file being run. Any ideas why this might be assuming the info I'm being given is accurate and it's the exact same command/script is being called via the schedule task? The OS is 2008 R2 SP1. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Task Scheduler throttling tasks?
Again, I'm personally patchy on the details as I've not been given many yet, but the guy who looks after this box will know more about the in's and out's of the apps running on it than I do. He's telling me all things are equal other than the way he's calling the task, which for now I shall take his word on. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 January 2012 16:40 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? Is there a time differential? Are you running the batch file at the same time as it would run as a scheduled task? What happens when you run the batch file manually at that time? What happens when you run the scheduled task immediately, not at it's normally scheduled time? In a networked environment, it's rarely a batch file that does 'stuff.' There are a lot of variables left out. The task may be irrelevant, the timing may not. Or vice versa, or both, or neither! On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Appreciate that, but I don't know any more myself yet. It's a general If you're just running a batch file that does stuff, would you expect a scheduled task to behave differently to an interactive task if you hadn't done something specific to tell it to? for now. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 January 2012 16:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Task Scheduler throttling tasks? I think we need more details to of the scheduled job as well as what the task does that might be different under a scheduler vs interactively. ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market... On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:44 AM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: We have a task (not one of mine so not sure entirely what it is/does that, when run interactively takes a certain amount of time to complete. The same task when run via a scheduled task, takes much longer to complete. Apparently it's entirely reproducible and along the lines of a batch file being run. Any ideas why this might be assuming the info I'm being given is accurate and it's the exact same command/script is being called via the schedule task? The OS is 2008 R2 SP1. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Eaton UPS Tools for VMware
Are any of you using Eaton's VMware tools in conjunction with their UPS monitoring cards? If so, any feedback? We're in the process of installing/replacing a couple of UPS's and the idea of being able to VMotion hosts to a surviving data centre when there is only X minutes left on the UPS is interesting to say the least. Thanks, Paul -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: KB2585542 stops access to websites
Doesn't work in Chrome either. Loads in Firefox but renders badly. From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] Sent: 12 January 2012 13:30 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: KB2585542 stops access to websites Try this one: https://brightree.net From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: KB2585542 stops access to websites It does say 'some'. I put this on my system last night and it hasn't affected any of our internal sites that I normally connect to. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Mike Leone oozerd...@gmail.commailto:oozerd...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/11/2012 3:28 PM, Sam Cayze wrote: They outline some steps to disable/enable the update if needed: (Via Registry, which also means GPO) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2643584 So the work-around is .. to not use this critical patch. Turn it off via registry, GPO, or FixMeNow. Which means(almost certainly) another patch to fix this patch, coming Real Soon Now ... I hate when patches have to be patched before they work right ... ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Uninstalling Vipre?
I think it's more to do with leftovers than anything else - add/remove seems clean in that there is nothing left from GFI or Sunbelt in the list and there no errors uninstalling, but Avira seems convinced there is something left. From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 11 January 2012 15:43 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Uninstalling Vipre? There's the Windows Installer Cleanup tool, that may help (or not) Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird From: Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:34:41 + To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Uninstalling Vipre? We use Avira. I've been trialling Vipre as our renewal was due. When I uninstall the Vipre client and reinstall Avira it complains that another product is installed. Is there a cleanup tool for the latest version of Vipre that will remove any/all trace of it please? Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Uninstalling Vipre?
I think we're sorted. Doesn't look like Vipre was the culprit and it was a corrupt Avira install, which we've now sorted. Paul From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: 11 January 2012 16:01 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Uninstalling Vipre? Search the registry for Vipre and/or Sunbelt. Perhaps GFI but that's likely to return random hits. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:51 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Uninstalling Vipre? I think it's more to do with leftovers than anything else - add/remove seems clean in that there is nothing left from GFI or Sunbelt in the list and there no errors uninstalling, but Avira seems convinced there is something left. From: Rankin, James R [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 11 January 2012 15:43 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Uninstalling Vipre? There's the Windows Installer Cleanup tool, that may help (or not) Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird From: Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:34:41 + To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Uninstalling Vipre? We use Avira. I've been trialling Vipre as our renewal was due. When I uninstall the Vipre client and reinstall Avira it complains that another product is installed. Is there a cleanup tool for the latest version of Vipre that will remove any/all trace of it please? Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Dell's Auto-Snapshot Manager (EqualLogic) vs. tradtional backup softwares
I think Sean is right that you have to let the business requirement determine the solution. It depends what you're trying to achieve. Snapshots are ideal for DR and rollback the lot scenarios, but when you're asked to get back the accounts spread sheet from 8 months ago do you envisage keeping snapshots going back that far? Personally I'm a strong advocate of combining snapshots with proper backups via D2D2T with the D2D part giving you the quick access to the last X weeks of backups, and tape being (one of) your offsite/last resort copy that can withstand SAN failures, corruption, pretty much everything other than something physical happening to the box of tapes. Obviously it's not a one size fits all solution though, your needs may be very different to mine. Paul -Original Message- From: Jay Kulsh [mailto:jayku...@csi.com] Sent: 30 December 2011 22:27 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Dell's Auto-Snapshot Manager (EqualLogic) vs. tradtional backup softwares Ben, Thanks for responding on this semi-holiday. Yes we will take a copy of data off-site or setup iSCSI SAN in a remote location. I don't see much use of software like Symantec's Backup Exec in such a scenario. That was the thrust of my question. Thanks again. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config
If you take a RAID and move it from one controller to another you are a braver man than I am :) From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 16 December 2011 5:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config Plus, not all controllers that will support RAID5 will support RAID50. As far as I can tell, there is NO controller cross compatibility with RAID, right? I can't use a raid 10 on an Adaptec card and expect it to cleanly transfer to a system with a LSI card, right? If I'm wrong, that's excellent. But I don't think that it's true at all. Only a software solution can be compatible across hardware (i.e.: Linux's mdadm can handle cross-hardware raid compatibility.) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:20:10 -0800 Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config Yes, rebuild time and overall data loss risk is worse with the RAID5 variants. I'd sooner do RAID6 than RAID50. Plus, not all controllers that will support RAID5 will support RAID50. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Bill Humphries nt...@hedgedigger.com wrote: Seems everyone assumed RAID 10. Would you not consider RAID 50 if you had 8 SAS drives and decent controller with battery backed cache? (Sanity check: RAID 50 = RAID 0 of RAID 5's = stripe of stripes-with-parity. You need at least three disks for RAID 5. So with 8 disks, the only configuration that uses all of them would be two 4-disk RAID 5 sets, then stripped with RAID 0. Yah?) My take is: With modern disk sizes, RAID 5 can be pretty horrible during a rebuild. Say you've got 8 x 600 GB. 4 x 600 = 2400 GB, raw. Lose one disk, replace it, and you have to read 1800 GB to rebuild that one 600 GB missing member. And with the large disk sizes, the chances of a double failure are higher, too. Sucks to find out there's a new bad block in that remaining 1800 GB. RAID 10 is nice and simple: At most you're doing I or O on an entire single disk. Plus it's much better in terms of I/O performance. Disk usage efficiency is crap at 50%, but with the low cost of storage these days, that's not as big a loss as it once was. And with only 8 disks, RAID 50 is only going to be 75% efficient, right? -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Juniper Networks Switches?
OK well it's been a while, but a bit of a bump here as we're getting close to having to decide which way to jump. Right now, ignoring financials, both Juniper and Extreme have things going both for and against them. In Juniper's case the biggest negative right now is the lack of a decent campus management platform (Space isn't there yet). In Extreme's case it's lack of a full-featured small and reasonably priced gig capable switch, which for us could be a big deal as we have lots of buildings, not all of which have lots of people. Anyway, any additional opinions would be appreciated. From: Ben N [bennordlan...@gmail.com] Sent: 27 October 2011 8:56 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches? I love JUNOS. just learned it about a year ago with the SRX Firewalls and the EX 4200 switches (i have 4 SRX and 12 EX4200). it is a joy to use after using Cisco IOS for sooo many years. The web GUI is slow, but the CLI is super fun to use. There isn't a huge difference either between FW and SW like there is with Cisco IOS for ASA and SW. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Anders Blomgren chanks...@gmail.commailto:chanks...@gmail.com wrote: No, we just use the cli or the builtin web GUI, which isn't bad at all. There ain't nothing you can do in the cli which isn't exposed in some form in the GUI. A neat thing is port profiles which saves your techs from having to assign vlan and voice vlan. Just define once and use on ports. -Anders Sent from my iPhone On 26 okt 2011, at 21:40, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Will do. Do you have any experience of their management platform? It’s one area where I guess we’ll speak to the reseller but the info on the Juniper website is minimal at best – Junoscope I believe? I’m not afraid of a cli but equally if a vendor makes a tool to make my life (and others who may not have a day to day reason to care about a cli) easier I’m all for it. Paul From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.commailto:chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: 26 October 2011 19:28 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches? Please let me know what you think after a little hands on. I love working with the Junos cli. Commits instead of direct edits, automated rollback if you don't confirm commits and so on. And like any stacked product, you manage it as one switch. 38 physical switches here but only 6 stacks to manage. -Anders Sent from my iPhone On 26 okt 2011, at 13:46, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Thanks Anders, appreciate the info. We’ve spoken to a reseller who is accredited with Juniper and the phone vendor we have in mind and we’re going to go speak to them and try and get a little hands on. Management capability is probably going to be the key to any decision. Thanks again, Paul From: Anders Blomgren [mailto:chanks...@gmail.commailto:chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 October 2011 22:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches? Our whole network is basically a bunch of EX-4200's in various stacks. Smb, afp, nfs, iscsi, you name it. Except for voip. :) But the gui has settings for voice vlan for a simple switchport and they come in all-POE versions as well so I have a hard time seeing why they wouldn't work well for voip. We're pleased with both the performance and features, which is at the higher end of access switches. Think Cisco 3750 if it means anything to you. We even do all our routing except for bgp peering in a pair of stacks using vrrp. I have no experience with EX2200, EX2500, EX3200 or EX3300. I do know that some features that are included in the EX4200 are licensed separately for the others. You'll have to ask your reseller for what those are. -Anders On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Thanks Anders. I guess the basic question is whether it's any good? Our needs are reasonably simple on a technical level (I think!). What we are keen on, if possible, is to try and get a vendor with one OS across their range. Right now we have an eclectic mix of vendors kit and frankly it's a nightmare. Moving to a single vendor won't happen quickly but it's what we're trying to aim for and it seems that if you take HP and Cisco as two examples, you can buy two different models and you're not necessarily running the same OS. I suspect we'll get a vendor in who can offer a solution with what currently looks like the phone platform we're going for - that's the other fun part, finding a one stop shop so the phone vendor doesn't point fingers at the switch vendor and vice versa. Paul From: Anders Blomgren [chanks...@gmail.commailto:chanks...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 October 2011 7:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Juniper Networks Switches
RE: Anyone using Dell switches
We've had a few. They work. Tbh these days if buying switches my biggest must have is a vendor who is common enough that you're likely to find cli examples for things you may want to do. If you just want a reasonably simple switch to do reasonably simple things, honstly, I don't think you're likely to end up regretting buying a HP, Dell, Cisco, Juniper, or any of the big players. From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com] Sent: 14 December 2011 03:00 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Anyone using Dell switches I agree that there's much that can be done dealing with the vendor to fix this specific problem but I'd still be interested in hearing opinions on Dell switches. -- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]mailto:[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:21:41 -0600 Subject: Re: Anyone using Dell switches On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.orgmailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: But yes, I told the reseller of the error, and it's taking forever. I'll take blame, but I'm not cool with a simple return taking four month. I can't tell if this an HP or reseller issue, though. It's definitely a reseller issue. It may also be an HP issue, but again, that's none of your business. The whole point of the reseller relationship is they deal with the suppliers, you deal with just them. If they're not doing that, the reseller is just pocketing a percentage for doing nothing. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Anyone using Dell switches
Who is your wireless kit from? Might make sense to try and buy from one vendor to avoid pass the parcel. From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: 13 December 2011 14:31 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Anyone using Dell switches Hi Folks, I need a some new switches to support a wireless architecture. I have the HP 5500 series now (they were 3COM when I bought them, but HP now). I'm looking at Dell as an alternative. Dell can give me excellent pricing. HP's products are fine, but I have an issue with just getting support. My reseller sent me the wrong model, and months have gone by and HP is putting up a fuss about returning it, even though it's still in original packaging, never opened. I've tried to contact pre-sales without much luck. I filled out a form on-line, ever got a response. Yesterday I called and got hung up on twice and finally spoke to someone. Thoughts? Or just put up with HP and buy HP? Tom Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: things to include in a vm server template?
Personal opinion but I keep templates as bare bones as possible. I try and leave servers to do nothing but serve, and for admin purposes I use my workstation or a dedicated admin VM which has the tools I need on it, available to everyone who needs them. The way I see it, it's just neater to have as few places to keep up to date as possible. Just my two-pence worth. From: Jonathan [ncm...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 December 2011 10:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: things to include in a vm server template? Hi everyone! It has been a whileI've been quite busy and haven't had much time to do anything here other than occasionally lurk I'm in the midst of building some Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7 templates for my new vSphere 5 environment. I'm close to being done, but am thinking about tools i should include over and above the stock OS install. I'm interested to hear what you guys install when you build servers... For instance, perhaps things like: primopdf msinfo a telnet client, such as putty adobe reader (I'm torn on this one because of how many security concerns there are with Adobe Reader, historically, but it sure would be handy to be able to view a PDF on the fly) Portscanner, such as SuperScan or AngryIP I'm curious to hear about your add-ons and tweaks. I've already got the builds pretty well tweaked for performance, but if you have any specific tweaks that have been helpful, I'd love to hear those too. I used this as a sort of base guide: http://www.jasonsamuel.com/2010/05/07/how-to-build-a-vmware-vsphere-vm-template-for-windows-server-2008-r2/ I made a few of my own modifications, but didn't stray too far from this one. A lot of the tweaks and settings already in this made sense to me. Thanks, -- Jonathan, A+, MCSA, MCSE ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: The specified shadow copy storage association is in use?
Thanks both (and sorry Michael, missed your original reply). I couldn't get rid using disk shadow or vssadmin, so I changed the size made available for shadow copies (couldn't change the drive remember) and left it. The next morning all the space had been reclaimed, the Shadow Copies tab in Explorer showed the correct (small) amount of space used, and it let me change the drive used for the shadow copies. I can only assume that creating and deleting a shadow copy through the GUI doesn't do the same as creating and deleting one as part of a VSS backup. The bonus is I got 300gb of space back :) From: David Lum [david@nwea.org] Sent: 09 December 2011 4:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The specified shadow copy storage association is in use? Have you tried diskshadow? Just discovered this thing this week myself http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc772172(WS.10).aspx David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: The specified shadow copy storage association is in use? Have you tried this from the gui? Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 3:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: The specified shadow copy storage association is in use? Anyone encountered this and managed to do anything about it without rebooting the box? vssadmin list shadows shows no shadows for the drive affected, despite the fact that looking at the drive properties in explorer shows 300gb of shadows stored. vssadmin delete shadows /for=c: just gives the error in the subject, nor can I change the shadow storage drive as I get the same error. From the GUI I can enable and disable shadows on that drive, and create and delete shadows, with no difference to the amount of space it reports as being in use (300gb or so). This is 2008 R2 (no SP1 yet). Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Slow list response?
It's been like it for me ever since the upgrade or whatever the change was a couple of months ago when the list had some work done. It's 18.10 UK time right now, we'll see when it arrives in my Outlook again. From: Matthew W. Ross [mr...@ephrataschools.org] Sent: 08 December 2011 7:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Slow list response? Anybody else getting extremely slow response on the list lately? I just sent a reply, and I sent it at 9:54am. The list pinged it back to me at 10:42am. That's quite a delay! --Matt Ross Ephrata School District ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected
Not that I've found. It's always seemed, to me, like a bit of an obvious thing to want to be able to do. From: Michael B. Smith [mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 07 December 2011 6:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected There has to be a better way! :-P But looks like a cool utility. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected +1 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Disable wireless when wired connection detected Or try Wireless AutoSwitch http://www.wirelessautoswitch.comhttp://www.wirelessautoswitch.com/ On 7 December 2011 17:37, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Is there a native way in XP or Win7 to do this? Related: Can’t you have the wireless adapter only work when undocked? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets At Home yesterday. We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time, notwithstanding all liabilities implied or otherwise, ummm, hell, where was I...umm, no matter what happens, it is NOT, and NEVER WILL BE, OUR FAULT! The comments and opinions expressed herein are my own and NOT those of my employer, who, if he knew I was sending emails and surfing the seamier side of the Internet, would cut off my manhood and feed it to me for afternoon tea. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe
RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected
I don't think you can do that via GPO though. From: John Cook [john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: 07 December 2011 6:24 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected There is Configuring Metrics, or how to choose the default connection between Wired and Wireless Connections. It is very common in today computers (especially Laptops) to have Wired Network Card (NIC) as well as Wireless. Often users end up in a conflict and they do not know how to control the system. Windows Network configures each card to have its own TCP/IP. The two cards can live together in peace and harmony provided they areconfigured to work with Set Priority. The TCP/IP configuration has a special setting (under the Advance menu) for Metrics. If you put a different number in the Metrics entry of the cards, the network connection would default to the connection with the lower number. As an Example, if you put Metrics of 10 in the Wired Network connection, and Metrics of 20 in the Wireless Connection, the system would default to the wired connection When the Wire is unplugged (or Not present) it would automatically switch to Wireless connection (if present). When the Wired is plugged back it would take over the connection since it has lower Metrics. How to configure? 1. In Control Panel, double-click Network Connections. 2. Right-click a network interfaces, and then click Properties. 3. Click Internet Protocol (TCP/IP), and then click Properties. 4. On the General tab, click Advanced. 5. To specify the Metrics, on the IP Settings tab click to clear the Automatic metric check box, and then enter the Metric that you want in the Interface Metric field. John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected There has to be a better way! :-P But looks like a cool utility. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected +1 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Disable wireless when wired connection detected Or try Wireless AutoSwitch http://www.wirelessautoswitch.comhttp://www.wirelessautoswitch.com/ On 7 December 2011 17:37, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Is there a native way in XP or Win7 to do this? Related: Can’t you have the wireless adapter only work when undocked? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. In the event that the originator did
RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected
It's more basic issues too. PC boots up, wired NIC registers hostxyz.domain.com in in DNS through DHCP. User logs on, wifi kicks in, and registers hostxyz.domain.com in DNS through DHCP. Same host, but now so far as everything is concerned, the wireless NIC is it. It's a bit of a PITA when you're copying files to a machine or trying to connect via RDP or Dameware when the wifi connection is a bit weak and you don't yet realise that's the reason why you're having issues. From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 07 December 2011 7:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Disable wireless when wired connection detected One of the major reasons is that the networks that are wired and wireless might well be different, and end user machines really shouldn't be connected simultaneously to different networks without specific preparation. It's nastiness waiting to happen. Specifically, a machine with two NICs in it is a router or bridge waiting to happen, unless specific steps have been taken to preclude that possibility. It's a security breach waiting to happen. You might object that VPNs are connections to two different networks simultaneously, but of course proper preparations need to be taken before setting them up. Kurt On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 10:33, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote: Only because I'm curious: Why do you want/need to disable wireless when wired is plugged in? Doesn't the laptop use the wired (by making the metric weigh less) automatically? What's the benefit of turning the Wifi off? --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 10:12:59 -0800 Subject: RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected There has to be a better way! :-P But looks like a cool utility. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Kim Longenbaugh [mailto:k...@colonialsavings.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:59 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Disable wireless when wired connection detected +1 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]mailto:[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Disable wireless when wired connection detected Or try Wireless AutoSwitch http://www.wirelessautoswitch.comhttp://www.wirelessautoswitch.com/ On 7 December 2011 17:37, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Is there a native way in XP or Win7 to do this? Related: Can't you have the wireless adapter only work when undocked? David Lum Systems Engineer // NWEATM Office 503.548.5229tel:503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764tel:503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately
RE: Certificate question
Pretty much. Just be aware that depending on the domain they may require you to do some additional authentication to prove you're entitled to request the cert - usually it's inserting a DNS record. I think if it's a .com/net/org you'll be OK as they have a tech/admin contact in the WHOIS. The only other thing to be aware of is that the GoDaddy certs require an intermediate cert to be installed, but they issue a bundle which contains everything you need in one file. Oh, do look at resellers, they're cheaper than buying direct from GoDaddy usually. From: Cameron [cameron.orl...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 December 2011 8:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Certificate question Good afternoon all, Having never ordered a certificate before, I really don't want to screw it up. I need to install a couple of certificates on a new VPN device and do have a GoDaddy cert waiting to be assigned. So...I'm guessing that A) I need to generate a CSR from the device itself for the two that I need (again guessing that I should use 2048 bit instead of 1024 bit?), B) send those CSR's to GoDaddy and wait for them to send me the Certificates, C) Install the certificates on the VPN device. I'm guessing that the certificates will be installed in the Device Certificate portion? (options are...Device, Trusted Client, Trusted Server (which does show GoDaddy listed), Code-signing, Client Auth) As always...TIA! Cameron ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config
Phone up and speak to someone in business sales too. I don't know how it works across the pond but here, we have an account manager (we buy Dell PCs so admittedly it's not just a one-off) but basically you shouldn't be expecting to pay what is on the website - even on a single server. I would speak to a real person and a number of VARs and get them to compete for the business - it will be someone's end of quarter. From: Ben Scott [mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 December 2011 4:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: ... a Dell R510 stuffed full of SAS drives and a good RAID controller, running in RAID10 would give you a hell of a lot of grunt for not a lot of money. Man, you ain't kidding about that. Dell's configurator quoted me that increasing the RAM from 1 GB to 64 GB will cost only about $900! That's **way** better than the T710 I was looking at. Much thanks for the tip!! (Kurt'll be happy, I can max the box. ;-) ) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config
Initial thoughts: Spend some time logging your IOPS so you know what you need to support. Don't skimp on RAM - that is where you will usually start to see a bottleneck long before you do CPU and disk (assuming you know what IOPS you need and spec accordingly). Ideally, buy two boxes, with one box all your eggs are in one basket, though accepted you're not going to be much worse off than you are now. Don't rule out SAN storage. People think SAN and think expensive hardware - there are a number of low cost (relative) software SANs that let you take DAS storage and pool it and cluster it. Backup - don't overlook it. Windows - look at licensing using Enterprise which gives you 4 VM licenses, DataCenter is cool and good VFM but you need to license a minimum of 2 processor licenses per physical box. Exchange 2003 - ignoring all the support and other issues around that, Exchange 2010 is a magnitude of performance better on disk IO than 2003, I would look at upgrading that as soon as you're able to. Paul From: Ben Scott [mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 December 2011 6:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config Sorry to interrupt the cell phone talk, but I've got a question about NT system administration. ;-) I'd appreciate any input people have on this. Thoughts, suggestions, recommendations, dopeslaps, etc. Pointers to references, or FMs to R, are also welcome. SUMMARY * Spec'ing a server for small business virtualization * Best hard drive config? * Eight fast mid-sized disks in one big RAID 10? * Larger slower mirrored disks, but some dedicated to workloads? * Unsure as to RAM and CPU sizing BACKGROUND The Powers That Be here at %WORK% have finally agreed to let me upgrade our server infrastructure (and there was much rejoicing). We're a small shop, basically just two servers, with most everything running on a single server. DC, file, print, Exchange, apps, etc., all on the one box. Obviously far from ideal, but it wasn't cost-effective to do anything else before. With virtualization now being in our reach, my goal is to split that into dedicated VMs, and move everything on to a single physical box. I've not found much capacity planning guidance for small businesses who want to do virtualization on a single server. All the guides seem to assume 1000s of users, and help one figure out how many servers to buy for one's load. I'm trying to figure out how much of a server to buy, for the varied VMs I want to put on it. CURRENT ENVIRONMENT * Single physical site, single domain, single AD site * 100 MB NTDS, 285 MB SYSVOL * 85 named users, plus a dozen or so shared role accounts * 120 CALed PCs * 370 GB plain old files on the file server * 150 GB Exchange information store * 130 GB other stuff (OS overhead, server software, OS images, WSUS, etc.) * 25 network printers * Win 2000 Server (I know, I know); Exchange 2003 MY PLAN SO FAR We're a Dell shop, so PowerEdge T710. Eight disk bays. Two CPU sockets. Win 2008 R2 Datacenter. Gotta love the unlimited VMs. Hyper-V, simple because it makes the support question less complicated. Budget isn't set in stone, but I'm shooting for the 8 - 12 kilobuck range, including service contract, not including software. Obviously we don't want to spend more than we have to, but if something is cost-justified I can argue to get it. At least five VMs: DC/DHCP/DNS. Exchange. File server. Print server (ill-behaved print drivers). And one catch-all -- WSUS, BES, anti-virus server, license servers, a few tiny vendor-app databases. Maybe split that last one up a bit more, maybe not. I think a SAN would be overkill for us right now. One nice thing about virtualization is that we can easily migrate the VHDs to a SAN when get to that point. DISK CONFIGURATION Traditional wisdom was to use dedicated spindle sets for things like Exchange. Your dedicated Exchange server would have a small mirror for OS and software, a small mirror for the transaction logs, and however much you needed for the Information Store. Virtualization makes the question more complicated. I could get eight mid-sized 15 KRPM disks, and put them in RAID 10 (stripe of mirrors). Have most of it be a giant partition on the host, containing all the VHDs. Or I could get larger, 7.2 KRPM disks, put them in mirrored pairs, and dedicate mirrors to workloads. One mirror set for the Exchange IS, another for the logs, a third for plain old files, and a fourth for everything else. Or some variation on that theme. Thoughts on this? RAM AND CPU SIZING For such a small environment, am I okay oversubscribing the physical cores/hyperthreads? For example, if I get a single six core processor (leaving the second socket open for future expansion), will that be okay? Does Exchange have to have multiple dedicated cores to run well? Likewise, how much RAM do I really
RE: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config
Honestly, on the RAM front don't think what is enough? and just put in whatever you can afford to put in. Trust me on this, when you have vmware/hyper-v you will find yourself standing up VM's all the time for testing/application isolation and all sorts of things that you just couldn't do with a physical box* I would still spend a little time benchmarking your current IOPS. My gut reaction is that something like a Dell R510 stuffed full of SAS drives and a good RAID controller, running in RAID10 would give you a hell of a lot of grunt for not a lot of money. On the SAN/redundancy point, if you've looked at it and don't need it then fair enough, I won't try and convince you otherwise, but equally I wouldn't want you to rule it out on the assumption that SAN = tens of thousands of $$$. Equally look at buying the cheapest box on the vmware/hyper-v HCL that you can get away with - that's the biggest benefit of virtualisation, that you can run the VM's on pretty much anything. It might be slow, but slow is unavailable :) * licenses permitting -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 December 2011 20:24 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Spend some time logging your IOPS so you know what you need to support. Since we're moving to Win 2008R2 and Exchange 2010 (I forgot to mention that), and virtualization on top of that, I haven't been putting a lot of thought towards benchmarking our current systems. I was assuming what we have now would not translate to what we're going to get. Don't skimp on RAM - that is where you will usually start to see a bottleneck long before you do CPU and disk (assuming you know what IOPS you need and spec accordingly). Not planning on skimping on it. The question I have is -- *what is enough*. 16 GB? 24? 32? Ideally, buy two boxes, with one box all your eggs are in one basket ... I am aware of this. As you say, it's what we have now. It's relatively cheap for us to get a service contract to cover hardware failures to the 2HR mark. Two boxes doubles the cost. Or they're not powerful enough to handle the load, in which case, you're not really getting redundancy. Don't rule out SAN storage. People think SAN and think expensive hardware - there are a number of low cost (relative) software SANs that let you take DAS storage and pool it and cluster it. Cheapest decent stuff I have found is still a drastic price increase over DAS, even with just a single server. I am aware of the benefits of SANs. For this organization, at this time, they don't justify the cost. Backup - don't overlook it. Haven't. Planned for. :) But thanks for checking. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config
Really, these days there is little need, virtual DC's are just fine so long as you don't do anything daft like pause/snapshot and rollback etc. The support issue is mainly a non-issue, Microsoft apparently may ask that you reproduce any issue on physical hardware to rule out virtualisation, but their default stance won't be It's a VM go away. Paul -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 December 2011 21:10 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Richard Stovall rich...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure I read that MS doesn't officially support having all your DCs virtualized. Any chance you can have one physical box as a DC? Oh, yes, I was also planning on re-purposing one of our old servers (with new OS) once everything's moved over to the new box. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config
VM Sprawl is a PITA. We've gone there a little bit. That said, I *think* the management overhead is outweighed by the application isolation, but it's been something I'm aware of. RAM - honestly, they need what they need, you don't change the physics just because it's virtualised, if an app needs 2gb on a physical box it'll need 2gb on a VM. The difference is how easily you can tweak it - buy a physical box and you need to know how much physical RAM to buy, buy 16gb and it only uses 4gb that's 12gb ($$) doing nothing, do that with a VM and you shut it down, bump down the RAM, power it back on, job done. Honestly, if you just want a number then from what you've said chuck 96gb or so in the box and you'll be good. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 December 2011 21:33 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:02 PM, N Parr npar...@mortonind.com wrote: Plan your build to put every service on it's own VM ... I'm planning on putting each critical service set on its own VM. But things like the anti-virus software, WSUS, things like that -- they can reboot without impacting operation. Even BES can usually be down for 10-15 minutes without anyone noticing. But each VM has costs associated with it, not just for hardware, but management overhead, too. Dedicating a VM to a database used by two people a few times a week, and which has a peak working set of 15 megabytes, doesn't seem sensible. ... give them the the RAM they need. And how much is that? That's my question. How much do they need? :) Don't skimp with by provisioning 1GB of ram on an 08R2 server. Okay, so is 2 GB enough for a DC handling 120 PCs? 4 GB? :) You've got to build out your infrastructure to allow for growth or you be back at the boss' door begging for more $$. Sure. Valid point. So let's say, for the DC, we double to 240 PCs, 200 accounts, and a whopping 200 MB NTDS. Is that going to blow the 2 GB DC out of the water, then? :) I *do* want to plan this correctly. But just get enough RAM isn't a plan. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config
If it were me, I would attempt to go with as much capacity, as at much speed, as you can get away with financially. If you can get enough capacity in RAID10 (the most inefficient RAID type but the best performance) you've covered the worst case scenario IMO. You've also left yourself with the option to migrate RAID type downwards and gain capacity at the expense of losing some performance. My suggestion would be to create a few small LUNs to separate your VM's out and do thin provisioning of your VHD/VMDK's and expand the LUN and NTFS/VMFS as and when you need it - it's not perfect but it's probably the closest you'll get to a virtualised storage type setup without actually moving to a SAN. I'll stress I have no experience of hyper-v, so whilst I'm assuming the above holds good for hyper-v, I'm typing it with vSphere in mind simply as it's what I'm familiar with. From: Ben Scott [mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 December 2011 9:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Trust me on this, when you have vmware/hyper-v you will find yourself standing up VM's all the time for testing/application isolation and all sorts of things that you just couldn't do with a physical box* Oh, I have no doubt about that. We use VMware on the desktop now for testing. My thinking was that we could start off with what we need now, plus a reasonable margin for growth. If we outgrow it somehow, we can add more then. Adding RAM is trivial. My gut reaction is that something like a Dell R510 stuffed full of SAS drives and a good RAID controller, running in RAID10 would give you a hell of a lot of grunt for not a lot of money. So the thinking is that it's better to have a bunch of fast drives in a single big RAID 10 array, then. That was one of my original questions -- what's better, that, or dedicated mirrors of larger slower disks. I'll spec the R510 out, too. We just got a 19 rack for our server room. Heck, we just got a server room -- a few months ago, it was also my office! :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config
Good point! I know you can get around this with vSphere, but I have no idea with hyper-v - having just looked, yuck! http://www.aidanfinn.com/?p=10263 From: Ben Scott [mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 December 2011 9:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualization - Sizing, hard disk config On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Oh, yes, I was also planning on re-purposing one of our old servers (with new OS) once everything's moved over to the new box. The support issue is mainly a non-issue, Microsoft apparently may ask that you reproduce any issue on physical hardware to rule out virtualisation, but their default stance won't be It's a VM go away. The main reason I want a physical DC is to avoid the chicken-and-egg problem of starting the Hyper-V host when the DC is a guest on that host. (And I want to keep the host OS as lean as possible, so no DC there.) We already have the hardware, so that's easy. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Veeam
We used to use that. I really liked it. My only issue, and one reason we moved from it, was the fact that it wasn't the simplest (speed) to copy the backups off the backup appliance to tape so you have a true offline backup. The product and the company was always great to deal with though. From: Jeff Frantz [mailto:jfra...@itstechnologies.com] Sent: 21 November 2011 17:43 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Veeam You should also check out PHD Virtual Backup (formerly esXpress.) They just released an updated version (5.3) last week which includes data deduplication, file-level recovery, and replication. http://www.phdvirtual.com/phd-backup-replication I have no relation to the company but have been using their products for over five years and love 'em. -Jeff From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]mailto:[mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 11:10 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Veeam Anyone have any experience with this product? Supposed to be a VMWare backup software, which is able to do incrementals on the actual VM guests by expanding the .vmdk, finding the changes, and backing those up to an offsite copy. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: software
No catch, free in the same way m0nowall, pfsense and lots of other firewall distros are open source/free with certain limitations. Paul From: Jack [mailto:jsmre...@new.rr.com] Sent: 17 November 2011 05:08 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: software Does anyone in this group have any experience with a product called Untangle? Untangel.com One of my staff came across this product and it almost sound too good to be true It appears to be a firewall product but since that is not my area I am not totally sure if this is any good or not Thanks for any advice about this. Jack Smrekar ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup Software
Budget? Date volume? Data type? Internet connection (upstream and downstream)? Lots of options, but some/all of the above will have a lot of input on what is practical. From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com] Sent: 17 November 2011 5:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Backup Software I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling me they forgot to put the next tape in. I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on what's not so good. Thanks. -- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
So is there a problem? Because posts are still taking a lot longer to appear than they did prior to the upgrade. Paul From: Paul Hutchings [paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade? Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free resources I have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are taking a lot longer to appear. Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
That's how it used to be. Now I'm not seeing posts for a good 10 minutes usually. It's not something daft like Outlook being in cached mode, nor is our smtp gateway rejecting/greylisting anything, and for me, like a switch was flicked it only happened after the upgrade. Paul From: Erik Goldoff [egold...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 November 2011 6:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade? not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them ! grin but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I see them back in my gmail... On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: So is there a problem? Because posts are still taking a lot longer to appear than they did prior to the upgrade. Paul From: Paul Hutchings [paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade? Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free resources I have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are taking a lot longer to appear. Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup Software
With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup. Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote sites? You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location? Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers? If so, what is the data split? What do you do now for backup? Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window. Personally I'm still a fan of tape for the stick it in a safe factor, tape libraries (kind of) solve the forgot to change the tape thing, and if you're doing d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still run. From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com] Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Software We have 3 locations with 10 servers Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers | | | | Wireless BridgeVPN (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K) | | | | Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location: (1) Windows 2003 server (1) Windows 2003 server 350 GB of Data250 GB of Data We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available storage. Budget: $7500 My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times a day using VSS. -- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:18:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Backup Software What's your budget, size of environment, and amount of data for backups on a daily/weekly basis? (One thing to look at, if you're a Microsoft shop, is http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/server-cloud/system-center/data-protection-manager.aspx ) ASB http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Bob Hartung bhart...@wiscoind.commailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com wrote: I've been researching backup software and I'd like to go with a disk-to-disk solution with offsite replication for disaster recovery. We currently are doing disk-to-disk-to-tape and it's taking too long. Plus I'm tired of people telling me they forgot to put the next tape in. I'd appreciate any real-world recommendations on what's good or warnings on what's not so good. Thanks. -- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215tel:%28608%29%20835-3106%20x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399tel:%28608%29%20835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.comhttp://wiscoind.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Backup Software
Thanks Bob. I would suggest look at Commvault. I say that simple because we used to use ArcServe (admittedly we are talking some time back) and switched to it and I've never looked back. They do standard licensing and they also do a capacity license where you license the amount of data you want to backup (frontend) and you can use any mix of their agents to do it. The dedupe works really well and is source side so you really cut down on the amount of data going over the pipe to your HQ. They also do some rather funky synthetic full backups where you essentially do an initial proper full backup, and from that point onwards you only ever run incremental backups. The downside is that I think you're going to be pushing it at that budget, but end of year/quarter and the likes means you may be able do something - I would certainly be asking the question of a reseller. The bottom line is that dedupe and all the stuff to take away the problems you're having isn't cheap. Other vendors I'd look at would be HP Data Protector, DPM (no dedupe but seems to fit very well in an MS shop), and if I were going out today looking at backup software, I'd be really tempted to find out something about Unitrends - they have some interesting looking pricing models. From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.com] Sent: 17 November 2011 7:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Backup Software See below... -- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:51:41 -0600 Subject: RE: Backup Software With respect, I'm still not clear what you're looking to backup. Server backups. Is it all of the data, is it the subset of the data that's at the remote sites? I'd plan to back each server up to its local location and periodically replicate. I'd replicate bidirectionally between the Main and Cross-Town locations and replicate from the Out-of-State back to the Main location. The plan is to only backup what's changed since the last backup. Most of the backup solutions I've looked at have utilities to compress the incremental backups into fewer files to reduce the total number of files. You have 3tb available in each location, is that 3tb you could backup to, or are you saying it's 3tb of potential source data in each location? Just mentioning that to say my budget does not need to cover additional storage space. Are the servers file servers, Exchange servers, SQL servers? If so, what is the data split? No Exchange but we do use MySQL which I run data dumps on daily. What do you do now for backup? Arcserve using disk-to-disk-to-tape. Generally, I'd suggest moving to d2d2t but use source side dedupe and technologies like synthetic fulls to cut down your backup window. Personally I'm still a fan of tape for the stick it in a safe factor, tape libraries (kind of) solve the forgot to change the tape thing, and if you're doing d2d2t having a tape in a library is less important as your backups will still run. I don't really have any archival requirements. My main concerns are being able to quickly restore downed servers, reduce or eliminate the backup window and reduce or eliminate the use of tapes and depending on people at the remote site to put the right tape in, if they remember to do it at all. From: Bob Hartung [bhart...@wiscoind.commailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com] Sent: 17 November 2011 6:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Backup Software We have 3 locations with 10 servers Main Location: (7) Windows 2003 and (1) Windows 2008 servers | | | | Wireless BridgeVPN (36Mb x 36MB) (3MB x 384K) | | | | Cross-Town Location:Out-of-State Location: (1) Windows 2003 server (1) Windows 2003 server 350 GB of Data250 GB of Data We already have NAS units at each location with at least 3 TB of available storage. Budget: $7500 My intention with D2D is to have one full back with incremental backups so the backup window should be a non-issue. The incrementals can occur multiple times a day using VSS. -- Bob Hartung Dir of I.T. Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com From: Andrew S
RE: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade?
I know you jest (I think!) but no, I checked that too. Here's a typical header portion, all I've snipped is the internal stuff but there is no delay within our systems: Received: from lyris.sunbelt-software.com (lyris.sunbelt-software.com [64.128.133.151]) by clearswift.mira.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with SMTP id pAHHi9Ih018443 for paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:44:10 GMT Received-SPF: notyetresolved client-ip=193.35.217.38; helo=clearswift.mira.co.uk; envelope-from=paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk; Received: from clearswift.mira.co.uk ([193.35.217.38]) by 10.129.3.67 with SMTP (Lyris ListManager WIN32 version 11.1a); Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:36:03 -0500 So it seems that it's spent 8 minutes or so with Lyris. Like I said, that's not so bad, it's just odd that it never used to be like that. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 November 2011 21:14 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade? Perhaps it's *you* being greylisted? :) On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 10:46, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: That's how it used to be. Now I'm not seeing posts for a good 10 minutes usually. It's not something daft like Outlook being in cached mode, nor is our smtp gateway rejecting/greylisting anything, and for me, like a switch was flicked it only happened after the upgrade. Paul From: Erik Goldoff [egold...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 November 2011 6:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade? not so sure, some of my posts show up even before I send them ! grin but seriously, I'm not seeing much delay from when I post to when I see them back in my gmail... On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: So is there a problem? Because posts are still taking a lot longer to appear than they did prior to the upgrade. Paul From: Paul Hutchings [paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: 04 November 2011 5:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Posts taking longer to appear after the Lyris upgrade? Obviously this isn’t a complaint as this is one of the best free resources I have, but I noticed that since the Lyris upgrade, posts are taking a lot longer to appear. Not sure why this might be but I thought it may be worth mentioning. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Antivirus Recommendations?
We actually have Forefront licenses via an MS agreement, I just don't think I want to try and get my teeth into SCCM right now just to administer it (I appreciate that SCCM does all manner of things but YKWIM, it's a bit of a monster). We do all the defence in depth stuff regards perimiter scanning, URL blocking etc. From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 11 November 2011 12:20 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Antivirus Recommendations? I haven't dealt much with AV over the last year, but I liked Vipre Enterprise last time I did. However we did move from Symantec so anything would probably have been a vast improvement. I notice a lot of people are fans of the MS offerings now (Forefront, Security Essentials, etc, don't know the exact current brand names). Truth be known is that no AV can provide 100% coverage, and the ones that provide advanced heuristic detection are usually the ones with the bigger footprints. I'm personally a fan of coupling up your reactive AV with something like AppLocker from MS, if you're an AD shop, and obviously some good event log monitoring procedures. Defense-in-depth is usually the only way to stay fairly safe. YMMV, etc. On 11 November 2011 12:11, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk wrote: Our Avira Antivir license is up for renewal in a couple of months. Whilst we've had no significant issues, I want to look at a couple of other options so that even if we stay with Avira it's for the right technical reasons. We have around 550 PC's, a mix of Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, predominantly 32bit with some x64. I'd be looking for a mixture of good centralised management (this almost always seems to rule out many vendors) combined with low client footprint - and something that is totally hands off from the end user perspective and that just works. Suggestions? Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. * IMPORTANT INFORMATION/DISCLAIMER * This document should be read only by those persons to whom it is addressed. If you have received this message it was obviously addressed to you and therefore you can read it, even it we didn't mean to send it to you. However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you probably were not the intended recipient, or, alternatively, you are a mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer, because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But should you have nothing better to do, please feel free to ruminate on it, and please pass on any concrete conclusions should you find them. However, if you pass them on via email, be sure to include a disclaimer regarding liability for transmission. In the event that the originator did not send this email to you, then please return it to us and attach a scanned-in picture of your mother's brother's wife wearing nothing but a kangaroo suit, and we will immediately refund you exactly half of what you paid for the can of Whiskas you bought when you went to Pets At Home yesterday. We take no responsibility for non-receipt of this email because we are running Exchange 5.5 and everyone knows how glitchy that can be. In the event that you do get this message then please note that we take no responsibility for that either. Nor will we accept any liability, tacit or implied, for any damage you may or may not incur as a result of receiving, or not, as the case may be, from time to time
