RE: GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

[Ralph Smith]

OK thanks.  We aren't currently running full SQL for anything else, but
we are also looking at a Time and Attendance product that requires it so
that may factor into the decision on both products.

 

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:18 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

 

I am running full SQL for both. I think the added speed and the savings
in storage space make it well worth it. But we have the SQL license for
other things...so that may be a factor for you.

 

From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

 

T -

Just wondering - I'm just starting a trial of GFi MailArcher 2012,
moving away from a previous solution.

Are you using purely SQL server for indexing and message storage, or SQL
and file storage?  They advised me to use just SQL for my org, which has
about 200 mailboxes.  I'm running the trial with SQL Express 2012 and
file storage, so far everything seems to work quite well.

 

Ralph 

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange mail archiving solution

 

I'll add GFI Mailarchiver to the list. Been running it for years and I
am very happy. Last few versions have been downright snappy to use. Tech
support is outstanding. I would not recommend it for a large org though,
we are running about a 1000 mailboxes with 7 years of email on it and it
is doing fine.



From: Tigran K [tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange mail archiving solution

Thanks you all. I'll look into the solutions suggested. 

 

--T

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tigran K  wrote:
> I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> archiving solutions.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
>
> Thanks

Better to ask on the sister list to this one, for Exchange.

However, this one has been around for a long time:
https://www.mailarchiva.com/

There are a myriad of others, including from Barracuda, ranging in
price from inexpensive to gold-plated and comes in a diamond-encrusted
case.

Kurt


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RE: GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

[Tom Miller]

We use a Jatheon appliance here for archiving.  Users like how it snaps
into Outlook.  Easy to manage and support is good.  Seems to be some sort
of *nix backend.   I like how there are standard user accounts, admin
accounts, and compliance officer accounts.

275 users but huge user accounts.
On Mar 20, 2013 9:26 AM, "Kennedy, Jim" 
wrote:

>  I am running full SQL for both. I think the added speed and the savings
> in storage space make it well worth it. But we have the SQL license for
> other things…so that may be a factor for you.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:14 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution
>
> ** **
>
> T –
>
> Just wondering – I’m just starting a trial of GFi MailArcher 2012, moving
> away from a previous solution.
>
> Are you using purely SQL server for indexing and message storage, or SQL
> and file storage?  They advised me to use just SQL for my org, which has
> about 200 mailboxes.  I’m running the trial with SQL Express 2012 and file
> storage, so far everything seems to work quite well.
>
> ** **
>
> *Ralph *
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kennedy, Jim 
> [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:26 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Exchange mail archiving solution
>
> ** **
>
> I'll add GFI Mailarchiver to the list. Been running it for years and I am
> very happy. Last few versions have been downright snappy to use. Tech
> support is outstanding. I would not recommend it for a large org though, we
> are running about a 1000 mailboxes with 7 years of email on it and it is
> doing fine.
>  --
>
> *From:* Tigran K [tigr...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:57 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Exchange mail archiving solution
>
> Thanks you all. I'll look into the solutions suggested. 
>
> ** **
>
> --T
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:***
> *
>
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tigran K  wrote:
> > I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> > archiving solutions.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Better to ask on the sister list to this one, for Exchange.
>
> However, this one has been around for a long time:
> https://www.mailarchiva.com/
>
> There are a myriad of others, including from Barracuda, ranging in
> price from inexpensive to gold-plated and comes in a diamond-encrusted
> case.
>
> Kurt
>
>
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RE: GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

[Kennedy, Jim]

I am running full SQL for both. I think the added speed and the savings in 
storage space make it well worth it. But we have the SQL license for other 
things...so that may be a factor for you.

From: Ralph Smith [mailto:m...@gatewayindustries.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

T -
Just wondering - I'm just starting a trial of GFi MailArcher 2012, moving away 
from a previous solution.
Are you using purely SQL server for indexing and message storage, or SQL and 
file storage?  They advised me to use just SQL for my org, which has about 200 
mailboxes.  I'm running the trial with SQL Express 2012 and file storage, so 
far everything seems to work quite well.

Ralph

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange mail archiving solution

I'll add GFI Mailarchiver to the list. Been running it for years and I am very 
happy. Last few versions have been downright snappy to use. Tech support is 
outstanding. I would not recommend it for a large org though, we are running 
about a 1000 mailboxes with 7 years of email on it and it is doing fine.

From: Tigran K [tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange mail archiving solution
Thanks you all. I'll look into the solutions suggested.

--T

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tigran K 
mailto:tigr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> archiving solutions.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
>
> Thanks
Better to ask on the sister list to this one, for Exchange.

However, this one has been around for a long time:
https://www.mailarchiva.com/

There are a myriad of others, including from Barracuda, ranging in
price from inexpensive to gold-plated and comes in a diamond-encrusted
case.

Kurt

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RE: GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

[Ralph Smith]

Sorry, I meant that for Jim.

 

Ralph 

 

From: Ralph Smith 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:08 AM
To: 'NT System Admin Issues'
Subject: GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

 

T -

Just wondering - I'm just starting a trial of GFi MailArcher 2012,
moving away from a previous solution.

Are you using purely SQL server for indexing and message storage, or SQL
and file storage?  They advised me to use just SQL for my org, which has
about 200 mailboxes.  I'm running the trial with SQL Express 2012 and
file storage, so far everything seems to work quite well.

 

Ralph 

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange mail archiving solution

 

I'll add GFI Mailarchiver to the list. Been running it for years and I
am very happy. Last few versions have been downright snappy to use. Tech
support is outstanding. I would not recommend it for a large org though,
we are running about a 1000 mailboxes with 7 years of email on it and it
is doing fine.



From: Tigran K [tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange mail archiving solution

Thanks you all. I'll look into the solutions suggested. 

 

--T

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tigran K  wrote:
> I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> archiving solutions.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
>
> Thanks

Better to ask on the sister list to this one, for Exchange.

However, this one has been around for a long time:
https://www.mailarchiva.com/

There are a myriad of others, including from Barracuda, ranging in
price from inexpensive to gold-plated and comes in a diamond-encrusted
case.

Kurt


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GFi Mailarchiver - Was Exchange mail archiving solution

[Ralph Smith]

T -

Just wondering - I'm just starting a trial of GFi MailArcher 2012,
moving away from a previous solution.

Are you using purely SQL server for indexing and message storage, or SQL
and file storage?  They advised me to use just SQL for my org, which has
about 200 mailboxes.  I'm running the trial with SQL Express 2012 and
file storage, so far everything seems to work quite well.

 

Ralph 

 

From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 9:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Exchange mail archiving solution

 

I'll add GFI Mailarchiver to the list. Been running it for years and I
am very happy. Last few versions have been downright snappy to use. Tech
support is outstanding. I would not recommend it for a large org though,
we are running about a 1000 mailboxes with 7 years of email on it and it
is doing fine.



From: Tigran K [tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange mail archiving solution

Thanks you all. I'll look into the solutions suggested. 

 

--T

 

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tigran K  wrote:
> I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> archiving solutions.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
>
> Thanks

Better to ask on the sister list to this one, for Exchange.

However, this one has been around for a long time:
https://www.mailarchiva.com/

There are a myriad of others, including from Barracuda, ranging in
price from inexpensive to gold-plated and comes in a diamond-encrusted
case.

Kurt


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RE: Exchange mail archiving solution

[Kennedy, Jim]

I'll add GFI Mailarchiver to the list. Been running it for years and I am very 
happy. Last few versions have been downright snappy to use. Tech support is 
outstanding. I would not recommend it for a large org though, we are running 
about a 1000 mailboxes with 7 years of email on it and it is doing fine.


From: Tigran K [tigr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 8:57 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Exchange mail archiving solution

Thanks you all. I'll look into the solutions suggested.

--T


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Kurt Buff 
mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tigran K 
mailto:tigr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> archiving solutions.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
>
> Thanks

Better to ask on the sister list to this one, for Exchange.

However, this one has been around for a long time:
https://www.mailarchiva.com/

There are a myriad of others, including from Barracuda, ranging in
price from inexpensive to gold-plated and comes in a diamond-encrusted
case.

Kurt

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Re: Exchange mail archiving solution

[Tigran K]

Thanks you all. I'll look into the solutions suggested.

--T


On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tigran K  wrote:
> > I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> > archiving solutions.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> Better to ask on the sister list to this one, for Exchange.
>
> However, this one has been around for a long time:
> https://www.mailarchiva.com/
>
> There are a myriad of others, including from Barracuda, ranging in
> price from inexpensive to gold-plated and comes in a diamond-encrusted
> case.
>
> Kurt
>
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Re: Exchange mail archiving solution

[Kurt Buff]

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Tigran K  wrote:
> I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> archiving solutions.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
>
> Thanks

Better to ask on the sister list to this one, for Exchange.

However, this one has been around for a long time:
https://www.mailarchiva.com/

There are a myriad of others, including from Barracuda, ranging in
price from inexpensive to gold-plated and comes in a diamond-encrusted
case.

Kurt

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Re: Exchange mail archiving solution

[Matthew W. Ross]

I tried out Enkive and MailArchiva years ago... I wan't impressed, but times 
have changed since. I also see MailPiler. Those look to be your Open Source 
solutions.

What's inexpensive? How many mailboxes? MailStore Server is fairly cheap if you 
have only a few mailboxes.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Tigran K
[mailto:tigr...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 19 Mar 2013
16:06:04 -0800
Subject: Exchange mail archiving solution


> I'm looking for an open source or freeware or really inexpensive email
> archiving solutions.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Running Exchange 2010 and Outlook on all clients.
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: Archiving Solution

[Matthew W. Ross]

+1

I've not used the MailStore server, but I've used the MailStore Home for users 
who "must keep all email". Free for user's use, quite easy to setup. Makes 
searching your archive easy, too.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Bob Hartung
[mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2010
04:39:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Archiving Solution


> We use Kerio Connect as our mail server. After trying a numberof
> alternatives, wechose MailStore (www.mailstore.com).
> 
> - Has both a web and  software clients.
> - Superfast search
> - Flexible rules for archiving and removing emails.
> - We don't have MS mail but Mailstore has a compatible mode.
> 
> Had it for about 8 months. Run on a PC. Very good software at a good price.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Bob Hartung
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:26:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: Archiving Solution
> 
> 
> > Rather than go to local server storage, I would recommend getting a
> > secondary, less expensive SATA-based iSCSI SAN to offload the data to.
> > 
> > It will give you more flexibility in the long run, while helping you to
> > minimize costs in the short run.
> > 
> > 
> > *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
> > *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
> > * *
> > Signature powered by WiseStamp <http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install>
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:40 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> > 
> > > What I've implemented in a small (50 user, 500GB total server space
> > > environment) with good success and happy users: ROBOCOPY to an archive
> > share
> > > (in this case, 1TB USB HDD hung off a server). Same users allowed to
> RWXD
> > on
> > > non-archived files have READ ONLY to the archives. File/folder structure
> > is
> > > identical to "active" files. The only folders archived by the robocopy
> are
> > > the shares on the file/print servers.
> > >
> > > We're considering doing something similar at %dayjob%  with 350 users
> and
> > a
> > > LOT more data - get old data off expensive SAN disks and onto cheaper
> and
> > > less "performance critical" local server drives.
> > >
> > > Depends on the environment and why you want to archive. In the small
> > client
> > > it was to not unnecessarily pay for online backup of files that simply
> > > aren't THAT business critical, and those archive files are disk-to-disk
> > > backup to a NAS at their site 2 miles away.
> > >
> > > Yeah, doesn't help the OP AT ALL.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 3:14 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: Archiving Solution
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
> > >  wrote:
> > > > My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file
> > > > servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and
> gave
> > > a
> > > > “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are
> > > looking
> > > > for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File
> > > archiver.
> > > > Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these
> products?
> > > > What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?
> > >
> > > I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
> > > implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
> > > manager, which pissed me off no end.
> > >
> > > o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
> > > Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
> > > directories.
> > >
> > > o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.
> > >
> > > My next points are true of any complex solution like this:
> > >
> > >

RE: Archiving Solution

[Ken Schaefer]

What is your environment like? Lots of recommendations at the small-mid end of 
the market (everything from USB drives hanging off a server to moving stuff to 
local file servers). Without requirements, it's a bit hard to recommend 
anything...

Cheers
Ken

From: Mike Tellson [mailto:micha...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 29 June 2010 5:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Archiving Solution

My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file servers 
and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave a "dog and 
pony show" the two products that appear to be what we are looking for are 
CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt's Exchange archiver & File archiver.  Does anyone 
on this list have experience with either of these products?  What are your 
opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?





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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Archiving Solution

[Mike Tellson]

The primary reason we are looking at a file server archive is due to backups.  
Our primary file server has over 700 GB of storage and is growing at an ever 
increasing rate.  The weekly full backups on this server alone take over 15 
hours to complete and at the rate of growth we have seen will take nearly 24 
hours to complete before much longer.  Much of this data (probably 75%) is 
unchanging, redundant, and seldom accessed.  The thought was that having an 
archive would consolidate the stagnant data to a location that could be backed 
up less often speeding up the full backups on this server.

Email archive being pushed for compliance reasons more than anything else.  
Getting rid of PST files and the improved performance of smaller OST files are 
fringe benefits.

Since we are needing to implement both types of solutions, we thought that a 
product that does both together would be ideal, but others responses indicate 
that may not be the best plan.  Does anyone have any recommendations given the 
above scenario?

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Archiving Solution

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
 wrote:
> My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file
> servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave a
> “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are looking
> for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File archiver.
> Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these products?
> What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?

I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
manager, which pissed me off no end.

 o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
directories.

 o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.

My next points are true of any complex solution like this:

 o- Don't give it to a junior sysadmin to implement.

 o- Make sure you have a comprehensive plan for implementation and testing

Specific issues that come to mind immediately:

 o- We had to make exceptions for several different file types
(.mdb, CAD drawings, and some others) because the clients couldn't
stand the wait time for the retrieval from the archiver, and the
client would hang, and then we'd have to unarchive the file manually.

 o- Once the emails and files have been archived and mingled in
the directories created on the archive server, there is no
distinguishing them, in any way.

We cheaped out and used an older server with poor RAID hardware for
the OS drives, and we're still paying the price.

There are other problems, but I'll leave you with a bit of philosophy:

 o- Adding more disk is probably cheaper than trying to do file
archiving. The cost of the software and the maintenance/management
overhead almost certainly more expensive than adding more disk.

 o- Email archiving is the same story with one caveat: the only
real justification for it: Legal protection. If you need email
archiving for regulatory compliance, customer service or contractual
issues, you're good to go. Otherwise, don't do it.

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


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Re: Archiving Solution

[Stefan Jafs]

That's basically what I just did, I started using Sunbelts SEA e-mail
archiving about 14 months ago currently archiving about 5 mil emails and
about 200Gb of storage, (about 250 users), just purchased an HP NAS iSCSI
with 4 * SATA 500 GB drives, will be using it for the e-mail archiving
storage and other "slow moving" data. Takes the pressure of my Fibre SAN,
for a fraction of the cost.

Stefan

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

> We use Kerio Connect as our mail server. After trying a numberof
> alternatives, wechose MailStore (www.mailstore.com).
>
> - Has both a web and  software clients.
> - Superfast search
> - Flexible rules for archiving and removing emails.
> - We don't have MS mail but Mailstore has a compatible mode.
>
> Had it for about 8 months. Run on a PC. Very good software at a good price.
>
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:26:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: Archiving Solution
>
>
> > Rather than go to local server storage, I would recommend getting a
> > secondary, less expensive SATA-based iSCSI SAN to offload the data to.
> >
> > It will give you more flexibility in the long run, while helping you to
> > minimize costs in the short run.
> >
> >
> > *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) 
> > <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker<http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker>
> >
> > *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
> > * *
> > Signature powered by WiseStamp <http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install>
>  >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:40 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> >
> > > What I've implemented in a small (50 user, 500GB total server space
> > > environment) with good success and happy users: ROBOCOPY to an archive
> > share
> > > (in this case, 1TB USB HDD hung off a server). Same users allowed to
> RWXD
> > on
> > > non-archived files have READ ONLY to the archives. File/folder
> structure
> > is
> > > identical to "active" files. The only folders archived by the robocopy
> are
> > > the shares on the file/print servers.
> > >
> > > We're considering doing something similar at %dayjob%  with 350 users
> and
> > a
> > > LOT more data - get old data off expensive SAN disks and onto cheaper
> and
> > > less "performance critical" local server drives.
> > >
> > > Depends on the environment and why you want to archive. In the small
> > client
> > > it was to not unnecessarily pay for online backup of files that simply
> > > aren't THAT business critical, and those archive files are disk-to-disk
> > > backup to a NAS at their site 2 miles away.
> > >
> > > Yeah, doesn't help the OP AT ALL.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 3:14 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: Archiving Solution
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
> > >  wrote:
> > > > My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both
> file
> > > > servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and
> gave
> > > a
> > > > “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are
> > > looking
> > > > for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File
> > > archiver.
> > > > Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these
> products?
> > > > What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?
> > >
> > > I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
> > > implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
> > > manager, which pissed me off no end.
> > >
> > > o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
> > > Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
> > > directories.
> > >
> > > o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.
> > >
> > > My next points are true of any complex solution like this:
> 

Re: Archiving Solution

[Richard Stovall]

I used to use the MailStore home product until moving to Windows 7.  It
always worked extremely well.  I've never tried the 'server' version.  Maybe
it's worth a look.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Bob Hartung  wrote:

> We use Kerio Connect as our mail server. After trying a numberof
> alternatives, wechose MailStore (www.mailstore.com).
>
> - Has both a web and  software clients.
> - Superfast search
> - Flexible rules for archiving and removing emails.
> - We don't have MS mail but Mailstore has a compatible mode.
>
> Had it for about 8 months. Run on a PC. Very good software at a good price.
>
>
> --
>
> Bob Hartung
> Wisco Industries, Inc.
> 736 Janesville St.
> Oregon, WI 53575
> Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
> Fax: (608) 835-7399
> e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
> To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:26:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: Archiving Solution
>
>
> > Rather than go to local server storage, I would recommend getting a
> > secondary, less expensive SATA-based iSCSI SAN to offload the data to.
> >
> > It will give you more flexibility in the long run, while helping you to
> > minimize costs in the short run.
> >
> >
> > *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
> > *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
> > * *
> > Signature powered by WiseStamp <http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:40 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> >
> > > What I've implemented in a small (50 user, 500GB total server space
> > > environment) with good success and happy users: ROBOCOPY to an archive
> > share
> > > (in this case, 1TB USB HDD hung off a server). Same users allowed to
> RWXD
> > on
> > > non-archived files have READ ONLY to the archives. File/folder
> structure
> > is
> > > identical to "active" files. The only folders archived by the robocopy
> are
> > > the shares on the file/print servers.
> > >
> > > We're considering doing something similar at %dayjob%  with 350 users
> and
> > a
> > > LOT more data - get old data off expensive SAN disks and onto cheaper
> and
> > > less "performance critical" local server drives.
> > >
> > > Depends on the environment and why you want to archive. In the small
> > client
> > > it was to not unnecessarily pay for online backup of files that simply
> > > aren't THAT business critical, and those archive files are disk-to-disk
> > > backup to a NAS at their site 2 miles away.
> > >
> > > Yeah, doesn't help the OP AT ALL.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 3:14 PM
> > > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > > Subject: Re: Archiving Solution
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
> > >  wrote:
> > > > My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both
> file
> > > > servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and
> gave
> > > a
> > > > “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are
> > > looking
> > > > for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File
> > > archiver.
> > > > Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these
> products?
> > > > What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?
> > >
> > > I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
> > > implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
> > > manager, which pissed me off no end.
> > >
> > > o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
> > > Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
> > > directories.
> > >
> > > o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.
> > >
> > > My next points are true of any complex solution like this:
> > >
> > > o- Don't give it to a junior sysadmin to implement.
> > >
> > > o- Make sure you have a comprehensive plan for implementation and
> > > testing
> > >
> > > Specific issues that come to m

Re: Archiving Solution

[Bob Hartung]

We use Kerio Connect as our mail server. After trying a numberof alternatives, 
wechose MailStore (www.mailstore.com).

- Has both a web and  software clients.
- Superfast search
- Flexible rules for archiving and removing emails.
- We don't have MS mail but Mailstore has a compatible mode.

Had it for about 8 months. Run on a PC. Very good software at a good price.


--

Bob Hartung
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com



- Original Message -
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 05:26:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Archiving Solution


> Rather than go to local server storage, I would recommend getting a
> secondary, less expensive SATA-based iSCSI SAN to offload the data to.
> 
> It will give you more flexibility in the long run, while helping you to
> minimize costs in the short run.
> 
> 
> *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
> *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
> * *
> Signature powered by WiseStamp <http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install>
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:40 PM, David Lum  wrote:
> 
> > What I've implemented in a small (50 user, 500GB total server space
> > environment) with good success and happy users: ROBOCOPY to an archive
> share
> > (in this case, 1TB USB HDD hung off a server). Same users allowed to RWXD
> on
> > non-archived files have READ ONLY to the archives. File/folder structure
> is
> > identical to "active" files. The only folders archived by the robocopy are
> > the shares on the file/print servers.
> >
> > We're considering doing something similar at %dayjob%  with 350 users and
> a
> > LOT more data - get old data off expensive SAN disks and onto cheaper and
> > less "performance critical" local server drives.
> >
> > Depends on the environment and why you want to archive. In the small
> client
> > it was to not unnecessarily pay for online backup of files that simply
> > aren't THAT business critical, and those archive files are disk-to-disk
> > backup to a NAS at their site 2 miles away.
> >
> > Yeah, doesn't help the OP AT ALL.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 3:14 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Archiving Solution
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
> >  wrote:
> > > My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file
> > > servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave
> > a
> > > “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are
> > looking
> > > for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File
> > archiver.
> > > Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these products?
> > > What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?
> >
> > I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
> > implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
> > manager, which pissed me off no end.
> >
> > o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
> > Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
> > directories.
> >
> > o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.
> >
> > My next points are true of any complex solution like this:
> >
> > o- Don't give it to a junior sysadmin to implement.
> >
> > o- Make sure you have a comprehensive plan for implementation and
> > testing
> >
> > Specific issues that come to mind immediately:
> >
> > o- We had to make exceptions for several different file types
> > (.mdb, CAD drawings, and some others) because the clients couldn't
> > stand the wait time for the retrieval from the archiver, and the
> > client would hang, and then we'd have to unarchive the file manually.
> >
> > o- Once the emails and files have been archived and mingled in
> > the directories created on the archive server, there is no
> > distinguishing them, in any way.
> >
> > We cheaped out and used an older server with poor RAID hardware for
> > the OS drives, and we're still paying the price.
> >
> > There are other problems, but I'll leave you with a bit of philosophy:
> >

Re: Archiving Solution

[Andrew S. Baker]

Rather than go to local server storage, I would recommend getting a
secondary, less expensive SATA-based iSCSI SAN to offload the data to.

It will give you more flexibility in the long run, while helping you to
minimize costs in the short run.


*ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) <http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker>
*Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
* *
Signature powered by WiseStamp <http://www.wisestamp.com/email-install>


On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:40 PM, David Lum  wrote:

> What I've implemented in a small (50 user, 500GB total server space
> environment) with good success and happy users: ROBOCOPY to an archive share
> (in this case, 1TB USB HDD hung off a server). Same users allowed to RWXD on
> non-archived files have READ ONLY to the archives. File/folder structure is
> identical to "active" files. The only folders archived by the robocopy are
> the shares on the file/print servers.
>
> We're considering doing something similar at %dayjob%  with 350 users and a
> LOT more data - get old data off expensive SAN disks and onto cheaper and
> less "performance critical" local server drives.
>
> Depends on the environment and why you want to archive. In the small client
> it was to not unnecessarily pay for online backup of files that simply
> aren't THAT business critical, and those archive files are disk-to-disk
> backup to a NAS at their site 2 miles away.
>
> Yeah, doesn't help the OP AT ALL.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 3:14 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Archiving Solution
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
>  wrote:
> > My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file
> > servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave
> a
> > “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are
> looking
> > for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File
> archiver.
> > Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these products?
> > What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?
>
> I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
> implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
> manager, which pissed me off no end.
>
> o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
> Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
> directories.
>
> o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.
>
> My next points are true of any complex solution like this:
>
> o- Don't give it to a junior sysadmin to implement.
>
> o- Make sure you have a comprehensive plan for implementation and
> testing
>
> Specific issues that come to mind immediately:
>
> o- We had to make exceptions for several different file types
> (.mdb, CAD drawings, and some others) because the clients couldn't
> stand the wait time for the retrieval from the archiver, and the
> client would hang, and then we'd have to unarchive the file manually.
>
> o- Once the emails and files have been archived and mingled in
> the directories created on the archive server, there is no
> distinguishing them, in any way.
>
> We cheaped out and used an older server with poor RAID hardware for
> the OS drives, and we're still paying the price.
>
> There are other problems, but I'll leave you with a bit of philosophy:
>
> o- Adding more disk is probably cheaper than trying to do file
> archiving. The cost of the software and the maintenance/management
> overhead almost certainly more expensive than adding more disk.
>
> o- Email archiving is the same story with one caveat: the only
> real justification for it: Legal protection. If you need email
> archiving for regulatory compliance, customer service or contractual
> issues, you're good to go. Otherwise, don't do it.
>
> Kurt
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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RE: Archiving Solution

[Jim Holmgren]

Same here - I've begun preliminary work on our Ex 2010 architecture.  There are 
No Mailbox Limits here at %work% - I'm stunned and dismayed.   
 
We are leaning heavily toward ComVault's solution as we already have a ComVault 
infrastructure and trained staff on-hand.  I played with it in training and 
read the docs.  Seems like a pretty good solution.   Introducing an Archival 
solution should help a whole bunch.
 
Jim
 
 



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Mon 6/28/2010 8:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Archiving Solution



Outlook 2007 sp2 and above can help ameliorate the issue until you do that.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/> 

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Archiving Solution

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> Move to exchange 2010

  That's the plan.

  Real Soon Now.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

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RE: Archiving Solution

[Michael B. Smith]

Outlook 2007 sp2 and above can help ameliorate the issue until you do that.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 8:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Archiving Solution

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> Move to exchange 2010

  That's the plan.

  Real Soon Now.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Archiving Solution

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> Move to exchange 2010

  That's the plan.

  Real Soon Now.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Archiving Solution

[Michael B. Smith]

Move to exchange 2010 and/or outlook 2007 sp2 and above.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 7:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Archiving Solution

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>     o- Email archiving is the same story with one caveat: the only 
> real justification for it: Legal protection.

  The main reason I want to go after email archiving Real Soon Now is because 
Outlook really starts to suck mud once the OST gets up into the multi-gigabyte 
range.  And archiving to PST sucks as much or more, in different ways.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
<http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Archiving Solution

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>     o- Email archiving is the same story with one caveat: the only
> real justification for it: Legal protection.

  The main reason I want to go after email archiving Real Soon Now is
because Outlook really starts to suck mud once the OST gets up into
the multi-gigabyte range.  And archiving to PST sucks as much or more,
in different ways.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Archiving Solution

[David Lum]

What I've implemented in a small (50 user, 500GB total server space 
environment) with good success and happy users: ROBOCOPY to an archive share 
(in this case, 1TB USB HDD hung off a server). Same users allowed to RWXD on 
non-archived files have READ ONLY to the archives. File/folder structure is 
identical to "active" files. The only folders archived by the robocopy are the 
shares on the file/print servers.

We're considering doing something similar at %dayjob%  with 350 users and a LOT 
more data - get old data off expensive SAN disks and onto cheaper and less 
"performance critical" local server drives.

Depends on the environment and why you want to archive. In the small client it 
was to not unnecessarily pay for online backup of files that simply aren't THAT 
business critical, and those archive files are disk-to-disk backup to a NAS at 
their site 2 miles away.

Yeah, doesn't help the OP AT ALL.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 3:14 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Archiving Solution

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
 wrote:
> My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file
> servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave a
> “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are looking
> for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File archiver.
> Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these products?
> What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?

I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
manager, which pissed me off no end.

 o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
directories.

 o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.

My next points are true of any complex solution like this:

 o- Don't give it to a junior sysadmin to implement.

 o- Make sure you have a comprehensive plan for implementation and testing

Specific issues that come to mind immediately:

 o- We had to make exceptions for several different file types
(.mdb, CAD drawings, and some others) because the clients couldn't
stand the wait time for the retrieval from the archiver, and the
client would hang, and then we'd have to unarchive the file manually.

 o- Once the emails and files have been archived and mingled in
the directories created on the archive server, there is no
distinguishing them, in any way.

We cheaped out and used an older server with poor RAID hardware for
the OS drives, and we're still paying the price.

There are other problems, but I'll leave you with a bit of philosophy:

 o- Adding more disk is probably cheaper than trying to do file
archiving. The cost of the software and the maintenance/management
overhead almost certainly more expensive than adding more disk.

 o- Email archiving is the same story with one caveat: the only
real justification for it: Legal protection. If you need email
archiving for regulatory compliance, customer service or contractual
issues, you're good to go. Otherwise, don't do it.

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Archiving Solution

[Andrew S. Baker]

I agree on all points but the email archival.

Meaning, I think email archival is desirable in a wide range of
circumstances including the regulatory ones.

File archival, however, is best served by not having to do it at all, or
implementing better document management on a whole so that one does not end
up with 9000 different versions of files that people feel they absolutely
*need*.

-ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker


On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
>  wrote:
> > My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file
> > servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave
> a
> > “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are
> looking
> > for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File
> archiver.
> > Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these products?
> > What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?
>
> I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
> implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
> manager, which pissed me off no end.
>
> o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
> Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
> directories.
>
> o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.
>
> My next points are true of any complex solution like this:
>
> o- Don't give it to a junior sysadmin to implement.
>
> o- Make sure you have a comprehensive plan for implementation and
> testing
>
> Specific issues that come to mind immediately:
>
> o- We had to make exceptions for several different file types
> (.mdb, CAD drawings, and some others) because the clients couldn't
> stand the wait time for the retrieval from the archiver, and the
> client would hang, and then we'd have to unarchive the file manually.
>
> o- Once the emails and files have been archived and mingled in
> the directories created on the archive server, there is no
> distinguishing them, in any way.
>
> We cheaped out and used an older server with poor RAID hardware for
> the OS drives, and we're still paying the price.
>
> There are other problems, but I'll leave you with a bit of philosophy:
>
> o- Adding more disk is probably cheaper than trying to do file
> archiving. The cost of the software and the maintenance/management
> overhead almost certainly more expensive than adding more disk.
>
> o- Email archiving is the same story with one caveat: the only
> real justification for it: Legal protection. If you need email
> archiving for regulatory compliance, customer service or contractual
> issues, you're good to go. Otherwise, don't do it.
>
> Kurt
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Archiving Solution

[Kurt Buff]

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 14:16, Mike Tellson
 wrote:
> My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file
> servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave a
> “dog and pony show” the two products that appear to be what we are looking
> for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt’s Exchange archiver & File archiver.
> Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these products?
> What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?

I have some peripheral experience with the Sunbelt stuff - I didn't
implement it myself, and it was given to one of my minions by the IT
manager, which pissed me off no end.

 o- Don't mix the implementation of the two products - Just.
Don't. In particular, don't mix the archive files into the same
directories.

 o- Make sure you don't throw random crappy old hardware at it.

My next points are true of any complex solution like this:

 o- Don't give it to a junior sysadmin to implement.

 o- Make sure you have a comprehensive plan for implementation and testing

Specific issues that come to mind immediately:

 o- We had to make exceptions for several different file types
(.mdb, CAD drawings, and some others) because the clients couldn't
stand the wait time for the retrieval from the archiver, and the
client would hang, and then we'd have to unarchive the file manually.

 o- Once the emails and files have been archived and mingled in
the directories created on the archive server, there is no
distinguishing them, in any way.

We cheaped out and used an older server with poor RAID hardware for
the OS drives, and we're still paying the price.

There are other problems, but I'll leave you with a bit of philosophy:

 o- Adding more disk is probably cheaper than trying to do file
archiving. The cost of the software and the maintenance/management
overhead almost certainly more expensive than adding more disk.

 o- Email archiving is the same story with one caveat: the only
real justification for it: Legal protection. If you need email
archiving for regulatory compliance, customer service or contractual
issues, you're good to go. Otherwise, don't do it.

Kurt

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Archiving Solution

[Michael B. Smith]

Uh, not disparaging the Sunbelt solution in the least, but these two products 
are kind of at different ends of the product spectrum.

Simpana is an enterprise solution, and does a lot more than Sunbelt's solution. 
Sunbelt's solution is targeted at the small-and-mid-market company.

Kinda like comparing, uh, tangerines and grapefruit?

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Mike Tellson [mailto:micha...@colonialsavings.com]
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Archiving Solution

My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file servers 
and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave a "dog and 
pony show" the two products that appear to be what we are looking for are 
CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt's Exchange archiver & File archiver.  Does anyone 
on this list have experience with either of these products?  What are your 
opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Archiving Solution

[Mike Tellson]

My company is looking to implement an archiving solution for both file
servers and exchange mailboxes.  After several vendors came out and gave
a "dog and pony show" the two products that appear to be what we are
looking for are CommVault Simpana and Sunbelt's Exchange archiver & File
archiver.  Does anyone on this list have experience with either of these
products?  What are your opinions of each (good, bad, or ugly)?


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Andy Ognenoff]

Granted I have the Enterprise Edition but the PST importer chugged away at a
folder with hundreds of PSTs and > 180GB of mail and the only problem was
the occasional corrupt message in a specific PST that had to be deleted.

 - Andy O. 

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Email archiving solution without Exchange

Well that's interesting news.  The SIS issue would still kill it for me
(printing company, and many customers simply can't or won't transfer files
any other way), but the trouble with AD integration was another big problem.
 Have you ever run into issues with the import utility?  IIRC the one that
gave me all the trouble was the one that fills the Mailarchiva store with
information from an existing PST.  It would run once fine, then it would
crash on subsequent attempts unless I restarted the computer.

Thanks,
RS
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists
 wrote:
Im running mailarchive free for a pretty big shop @ 200gb datastores, and it
works well. We have it running with LDAP/AD on a 2003 domain and now on a
2008 domain, and were able to make AD groups and put users/mgrs in them. I
like GFI better but for free mailarchiva worked pretty good the few places I
installed it.
 
From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Email archiving solution without Exchange
 
I used the free version of Mailarchiva for about a month or so to get a feel
for it.  I have to agree that the search is lightning fast, but the free
version is too crippled to be of use to an org of more than a few users.
 The main reasons I passed on it in production were:
 
1) The import utility kept crashing.  I couldn't ever get it to run more
than once in a row without dying the second time.
2) The LDAP/AD integration just flat didn't work.  It may be because it
isn't supported on the free version, but the documentation says different
things in different places about whether it should/will.
3) Because the AD integration didn't work, I could not set up very granular
controls on who could see or do what.  I also would have had to maintain a
user database on the Mailarchiva server itself in addition to AD.
4) The final, huge killer is that there isn't any sort of SIS/deduplication
built in to the free version.  For us, that would make our storage
requirements astronomical for the type of hardware I have available to run
it on.  I think the paid version supports some sort of SIS at the attachment
level.
 
I mostly liked what I saw, but the paid version isn't an option for me at
the moment, and the free version wasn't full-featured enough.
 
If it matters, I ran it on Linux.
 
RS
 
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Andy Ognenoff 
wrote:
I've had really good luck with Mailarchiva (has an open-source version). It
works with any POP/IMAP server that can copy all messages to a mailbox or
Exchange and can run on Windows, Linux, Solaris (I have it on Windows.)

The searching is very fast. I have the Enterprise Edition and when I called
for support (on setup) I talked directly to the developers.

Also has a utility for importing from PST files - which was really helpful
as that was our "archiving" solution previously. S much better now and
has already been worth it since we had some discovery requests.

http://www.mailarchiva.com/

 - Andy O.

>-Original Message-
>From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:03 PM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: Email archiving solution without Exchange
>
>All
>
>Looking for an email-server-with-archiving solution that isn't MS Exchange
>with
>something like the Sunbelt Email Archiver.  Thoughts and ideas welcome, but
>now
>that email is legally a "business document", it needs to be archived just
>like
>any other document.  There are a number of Exchange-specific email
>archiving
>systems, I'm just looking for something that will work for clients who
>can't or
>won't pay the Microsoft Tax for Exchange.
>
>TIA
>
>Angus
>
>
>
>~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
 
 
 
 
 

 
 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Richard Stovall]

Well that's interesting news.  The SIS issue would still kill it for me
(printing company, and many customers simply can't or won't transfer files
any other way), but the trouble with AD integration was another big problem.
 Have you ever run into issues with the import utility?  IIRC the one that
gave me all the trouble was the one that fills the Mailarchiva store with
information from an existing PST.  It would run once fine, then it would
crash on subsequent attempts unless I restarted the computer.

Thanks,
RS

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Benjamin Zachary - Lists <
li...@levelfive.us> wrote:

> Im running mailarchive free for a pretty big shop @ 200gb datastores, and
> it works well. We have it running with LDAP/AD on a 2003 domain and now on a
> 2008 domain, and were able to make AD groups and put users/mgrs in them. I
> like GFI better but for free mailarchiva worked pretty good the few places I
> installed it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:12 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Email archiving solution without Exchange
>
>
>
> I used the free version of Mailarchiva for about a month or so to get a
> feel for it.  I have to agree that the search is lightning fast, but the
> free version is too crippled to be of use to an org of more than a few
> users.  The main reasons I passed on it in production were:
>
>
>
> 1) The import utility kept crashing.  I couldn't ever get it to run more
> than once in a row without dying the second time.
>
> 2) The LDAP/AD integration just flat didn't work.  It may be because it
> isn't supported on the free version, but the documentation says different
> things in different places about whether it should/will.
>
> 3) Because the AD integration didn't work, I could not set up very granular
> controls on who could see or do what.  I also would have had to maintain a
> user database on the Mailarchiva server itself in addition to AD.
>
> 4) The final, huge killer is that there isn't any sort of SIS/deduplication
> built in to the free version.  For us, that would make our storage
> requirements astronomical for the type of hardware I have available to run
> it on.  I think the paid version supports some sort of SIS at the attachment
> level.
>
>
>
> I mostly liked what I saw, but the paid version isn't an option for me at
> the moment, and the free version wasn't full-featured enough.
>
>
>
> If it matters, I ran it on Linux.
>
>
>
> RS
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Andy Ognenoff 
> wrote:
>
> I've had really good luck with Mailarchiva (has an open-source version). It
> works with any POP/IMAP server that can copy all messages to a mailbox or
> Exchange and can run on Windows, Linux, Solaris (I have it on Windows.)
>
> The searching is very fast. I have the Enterprise Edition and when I called
> for support (on setup) I talked directly to the developers.
>
> Also has a utility for importing from PST files - which was really helpful
> as that was our "archiving" solution previously. S much better now and
> has already been worth it since we had some discovery requests.
>
> http://www.mailarchiva.com/
>
>  - Andy O.
>
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:03 PM
> >To: NT System Admin Issues
> >Subject: Email archiving solution without Exchange
> >
> >All
> >
> >Looking for an email-server-with-archiving solution that isn't MS Exchange
> >with
> >something like the Sunbelt Email Archiver.  Thoughts and ideas welcome,
> but
> >now
> >that email is legally a "business document", it needs to be archived just
> >like
> >any other document.  There are a number of Exchange-specific email
> >archiving
> >systems, I'm just looking for something that will work for clients who
> >can't or
> >won't pay the Microsoft Tax for Exchange.
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >Angus
> >
> >
> >
>
> >~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Benjamin Zachary - Lists]

Im running mailarchive free for a pretty big shop @ 200gb datastores, and it
works well. We have it running with LDAP/AD on a 2003 domain and now on a
2008 domain, and were able to make AD groups and put users/mgrs in them. I
like GFI better but for free mailarchiva worked pretty good the few places I
installed it.

 

From: Richard Stovall [mailto:rich...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Email archiving solution without Exchange

 

I used the free version of Mailarchiva for about a month or so to get a feel
for it.  I have to agree that the search is lightning fast, but the free
version is too crippled to be of use to an org of more than a few users.
The main reasons I passed on it in production were:

 

1) The import utility kept crashing.  I couldn't ever get it to run more
than once in a row without dying the second time.

2) The LDAP/AD integration just flat didn't work.  It may be because it
isn't supported on the free version, but the documentation says different
things in different places about whether it should/will.

3) Because the AD integration didn't work, I could not set up very granular
controls on who could see or do what.  I also would have had to maintain a
user database on the Mailarchiva server itself in addition to AD.

4) The final, huge killer is that there isn't any sort of SIS/deduplication
built in to the free version.  For us, that would make our storage
requirements astronomical for the type of hardware I have available to run
it on.  I think the paid version supports some sort of SIS at the attachment
level.

 

I mostly liked what I saw, but the paid version isn't an option for me at
the moment, and the free version wasn't full-featured enough.

 

If it matters, I ran it on Linux.

 

RS

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Andy Ognenoff 
wrote:

I've had really good luck with Mailarchiva (has an open-source version). It
works with any POP/IMAP server that can copy all messages to a mailbox or
Exchange and can run on Windows, Linux, Solaris (I have it on Windows.)

The searching is very fast. I have the Enterprise Edition and when I called
for support (on setup) I talked directly to the developers.

Also has a utility for importing from PST files - which was really helpful
as that was our "archiving" solution previously. S much better now and
has already been worth it since we had some discovery requests.

http://www.mailarchiva.com/

 - Andy O.


>-Original Message-
>From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:03 PM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: Email archiving solution without Exchange
>
>All
>
>Looking for an email-server-with-archiving solution that isn't MS Exchange
>with
>something like the Sunbelt Email Archiver.  Thoughts and ideas welcome, but
>now
>that email is legally a "business document", it needs to be archived just
>like
>any other document.  There are a number of Exchange-specific email
>archiving
>systems, I'm just looking for something that will work for clients who
>can't or
>won't pay the Microsoft Tax for Exchange.
>
>TIA
>
>Angus
>
>
>

>~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


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Re: Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Richard Stovall]

I used the free version of Mailarchiva for about a month or so to get a feel
for it.  I have to agree that the search is lightning fast, but the free
version is too crippled to be of use to an org of more than a few users.
 The main reasons I passed on it in production were:

1) The import utility kept crashing.  I couldn't ever get it to run more
than once in a row without dying the second time.
2) The LDAP/AD integration just flat didn't work.  It may be because it
isn't supported on the free version, but the documentation says different
things in different places about whether it should/will.
3) Because the AD integration didn't work, I could not set up very granular
controls on who could see or do what.  I also would have had to maintain a
user database on the Mailarchiva server itself in addition to AD.
4) The final, huge killer is that there isn't any sort of SIS/deduplication
built in to the free version.  For us, that would make our storage
requirements astronomical for the type of hardware I have available to run
it on.  I think the paid version supports some sort of SIS at the attachment
level.

I mostly liked what I saw, but the paid version isn't an option for me at
the moment, and the free version wasn't full-featured enough.

If it matters, I ran it on Linux.

RS

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Andy Ognenoff wrote:

> I've had really good luck with Mailarchiva (has an open-source version). It
> works with any POP/IMAP server that can copy all messages to a mailbox or
> Exchange and can run on Windows, Linux, Solaris (I have it on Windows.)
>
> The searching is very fast. I have the Enterprise Edition and when I called
> for support (on setup) I talked directly to the developers.
>
> Also has a utility for importing from PST files - which was really helpful
> as that was our "archiving" solution previously. S much better now and
> has already been worth it since we had some discovery requests.
>
> http://www.mailarchiva.com/
>
>  - Andy O.
>
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:03 PM
> >To: NT System Admin Issues
> >Subject: Email archiving solution without Exchange
> >
> >All
> >
> >Looking for an email-server-with-archiving solution that isn't MS Exchange
> >with
> >something like the Sunbelt Email Archiver.  Thoughts and ideas welcome,
> but
> >now
> >that email is legally a "business document", it needs to be archived just
> >like
> >any other document.  There are a number of Exchange-specific email
> >archiving
> >systems, I'm just looking for something that will work for clients who
> >can't or
> >won't pay the Microsoft Tax for Exchange.
> >
> >TIA
> >
> >Angus
> >
> >
> >
> >~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Andy Ognenoff]

I've had really good luck with Mailarchiva (has an open-source version). It
works with any POP/IMAP server that can copy all messages to a mailbox or
Exchange and can run on Windows, Linux, Solaris (I have it on Windows.) 

The searching is very fast. I have the Enterprise Edition and when I called
for support (on setup) I talked directly to the developers. 

Also has a utility for importing from PST files - which was really helpful
as that was our "archiving" solution previously. S much better now and
has already been worth it since we had some discovery requests.

http://www.mailarchiva.com/

 - Andy O.

>-Original Message-
>From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:03 PM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: Email archiving solution without Exchange
>
>All
>
>Looking for an email-server-with-archiving solution that isn't MS Exchange
>with
>something like the Sunbelt Email Archiver.  Thoughts and ideas welcome, but
>now
>that email is legally a "business document", it needs to be archived just
>like
>any other document.  There are a number of Exchange-specific email
>archiving
>systems, I'm just looking for something that will work for clients who
>can't or
>won't pay the Microsoft Tax for Exchange.
>
>TIA
>
>Angus
>
>
>
>~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Kurt Buff]

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 20:42, Angus Scott-Fleming  wrote:
> On 28 Jan 2010 at 3:25, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:
>
>> You comfortable with a Linux solution? That pretty much opens up
>> the options to pretty much endless.
>
> Absolutely. just looking for recommendations based on personal experience with
> the solutions.  I can 'google' stuff, just interested in the experiences of 
> the
> 'Pros from Dover' here on the list.
>
> A

Postfix has an 'always bcc' directive that has been used for this kind of thing.


Kurt

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~   ~

Re: Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 28 Jan 2010 at 3:25, Joseph L. Casale  wrote:

> You comfortable with a Linux solution? That pretty much opens up
> the options to pretty much endless.

Absolutely. just looking for recommendations based on personal experience with 
the solutions.  I can 'google' stuff, just interested in the experiences of the 
'Pros from Dover' here on the list.

A




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Joseph L. Casale]

You comfortable with a Linux solution? That pretty much opens up
the options to pretty much endless.

-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Email archiving solution without Exchange

All

Looking for an email-server-with-archiving solution that isn't MS Exchange with 
something like the Sunbelt Email Archiver.  Thoughts and ideas welcome, but now 
that email is legally a "business document", it needs to be archived just like 
any other document.  There are a number of Exchange-specific email archiving 
systems, I'm just looking for something that will work for clients who can't or 
won't pay the Microsoft Tax for Exchange.

TIA

Angus



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Email archiving solution without Exchange

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

All

Looking for an email-server-with-archiving solution that isn't MS Exchange with 
something like the Sunbelt Email Archiver.  Thoughts and ideas welcome, but now 
that email is legally a "business document", it needs to be archived just like 
any other document.  There are a number of Exchange-specific email archiving 
systems, I'm just looking for something that will work for clients who can't or 
won't pay the Microsoft Tax for Exchange.

TIA

Angus



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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