Re: FYI (vLite)
We did it for years before slipstreaming. I'm sure they'll catch-up - but I'm surprised at this obvious step backward. On Feb 1, 2008 10:37 AM, Silvio L. Nisgoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let´s wait to see what will be the MS-recommended way for it, but it doesn´t seem a nice thing when having to wait for the installation of Vista, then waiting for the installation of the service pack when building some new computers ... - Original Message - From: Amer Karim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) After Mike mentioned that, I decided to go look it up - from what I can gather, it's true: http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/pages/windows-vista-servi ce-pack-1-beta-whitepaper.aspx (scroll down to Evaluating SP1 section) - SP1 will change a significant number of files; customers cannot apply SP1 to offline Windows Vista images. http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/09/05/slipstream-windows-vista-sp1-in to-dvd-iso-image-by-reverse-integration/ gives a possible method to do so (and also mentions vLite); will have to try it once the RTM SP1 is released officially http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_sp1_inside.asp scroll down to the deploying windows vista SP1 section. Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31-Jan-08 10:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ Please consider the environment before printing this email. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: FYI (vLite)
well, yes, but I for me found very good when the hability to streamline the spacks in the base install surged. Installing the XP service pack after the OS added like 50 min to the work... - Original Message - From: Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 2:29 PM Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) We did it for years before slipstreaming. I'm sure they'll catch-up - but I'm surprised at this obvious step backward. On Feb 1, 2008 10:37 AM, Silvio L. Nisgoski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let´s wait to see what will be the MS-recommended way for it, but it doesn´t seem a nice thing when having to wait for the installation of Vista, then waiting for the installation of the service pack when building some new computers ... - Original Message - From: Amer Karim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:58 AM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) After Mike mentioned that, I decided to go look it up - from what I can gather, it's true: http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/pages/windows-vista-servi ce-pack-1-beta-whitepaper.aspx (scroll down to Evaluating SP1 section) - SP1 will change a significant number of files; customers cannot apply SP1 to offline Windows Vista images. http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/09/05/slipstream-windows-vista-sp1-in to-dvd-iso-image-by-reverse-integration/ gives a possible method to do so (and also mentions vLite); will have to try it once the RTM SP1 is released officially http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_sp1_inside.asp scroll down to the deploying windows vista SP1 section. Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31-Jan-08 10:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ Please consider the environment before printing this email. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ -- ME2 ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
It's not hard to find this information. Normally I would reply with a link but if you would just search for a minute or two you will see countless stories on the topic. The very message you replied to contains the whitepaper which states you can only get slipstreamed media from MS for SP1. There is a little vagueness in the information but that's only if you're trying hard to find something thats not there. Lots of articles out there mentioning that SP2 will allow for slipstreaming by the end user. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Let´s wait to see what will be the MS-recommended way for it ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: FYI (vLite)
Okay, I can search for some minutes, or go to that link. But it doesn´t change the strangeness of the fact that MS changed something that worked quite well, and was good for many administrators. And if SP1 cannot be integrated, but SP2 can, then it sounds like they perceived people liked/wanted the feature, isn´t it? - Original Message - From: Mike Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) It's not hard to find this information. Normally I would reply with a link but if you would just search for a minute or two you will see countless stories on the topic. The very message you replied to contains the whitepaper which states you can only get slipstreamed media from MS for SP1. There is a little vagueness in the information but that's only if you're trying hard to find something that's not there. Lots of articles out there mentioning that SP2 will allow for slipstreaming by the end user. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Let´s wait to see what will be the MS-recommended way for it ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Sp1 is basically Vista r2 - it brings Vista in line with Longhorn Server (ie, Windows Server 2008). It's huge. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Okay, I can search for some minutes, or go to that link. But it doesn´t change the strangeness of the fact that MS changed something that worked quite well, and was good for many administrators. And if SP1 cannot be integrated, but SP2 can, then it sounds like they perceived people liked/wanted the feature, isn´t it? - Original Message - From: Mike Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) It's not hard to find this information. Normally I would reply with a link but if you would just search for a minute or two you will see countless stories on the topic. The very message you replied to contains the whitepaper which states you can only get slipstreamed media from MS for SP1. There is a little vagueness in the information but that's only if you're trying hard to find something that's not there. Lots of articles out there mentioning that SP2 will allow for slipstreaming by the end user. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Let´s wait to see what will be the MS-recommended way for it ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: FYI (vLite)
Ok. Well, let´s wait and see how big will SP3 be... : ) - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Sp1 is basically Vista r2 - it brings Vista in line with Longhorn Server (ie, Windows Server 2008). It's huge. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Okay, I can search for some minutes, or go to that link. But it doesn´t change the strangeness of the fact that MS changed something that worked quite well, and was good for many administrators. And if SP1 cannot be integrated, but SP2 can, then it sounds like they perceived people liked/wanted the feature, isn´t it? - Original Message - From: Mike Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) It's not hard to find this information. Normally I would reply with a link but if you would just search for a minute or two you will see countless stories on the topic. The very message you replied to contains the whitepaper which states you can only get slipstreamed media from MS for SP1. There is a little vagueness in the information but that's only if you're trying hard to find something that's not there. Lots of articles out there mentioning that SP2 will allow for slipstreaming by the end user. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Let´s wait to see what will be the MS-recommended way for it ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Vista SP1 WSUS (WAS - RE: FYI (vLite))
http://www.ditii.com/2008/01/28/wsus-windows-server-2003-fix-for-microsoft-windows-vista-sp1-download/ On this - does anyone know if distributing SP1 via WSUS will behave the same way as going via MU route, i.e. the stations will only download the bits they need, or is it going to be pushing the whole 1GB odd package out to each station? My Google-fu is currently just FU and getting me nowhere... Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1-Feb-08 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Ok. Well, let´s wait and see how big will SP3 be... : ) - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Sp1 is basically Vista r2 - it brings Vista in line with Longhorn Server (ie, Windows Server 2008). It's huge. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Okay, I can search for some minutes, or go to that link. But it doesn´t change the strangeness of the fact that MS changed something that worked quite well, and was good for many administrators. And if SP1 cannot be integrated, but SP2 can, then it sounds like they perceived people liked/wanted the feature, isn´t it? - Original Message - From: Mike Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) It's not hard to find this information. Normally I would reply with a link but if you would just search for a minute or two you will see countless stories on the topic. The very message you replied to contains the whitepaper which states you can only get slipstreamed media from MS for SP1. There is a little vagueness in the information but that's only if you're trying hard to find something that's not there. Lots of articles out there mentioning that SP2 will allow for slipstreaming by the end user. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Let´s wait to see what will be the MS-recommended way for it ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: Vista SP1 WSUS (WAS - RE: FYI (vLite))
It is somewhere in between. The entire package won't be downloaded. That's the important thing. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Amer Karim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Vista SP1 WSUS (WAS - RE: FYI (vLite)) http://www.ditii.com/2008/01/28/wsus-windows-server-2003-fix-for-microsoft-w indows-vista-sp1-download/ On this - does anyone know if distributing SP1 via WSUS will behave the same way as going via MU route, i.e. the stations will only download the bits they need, or is it going to be pushing the whole 1GB odd package out to each station? My Google-fu is currently just FU and getting me nowhere... Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 1-Feb-08 7:15 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Ok. Well, let´s wait and see how big will SP3 be... : ) - Original Message - From: Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Sp1 is basically Vista r2 - it brings Vista in line with Longhorn Server (ie, Windows Server 2008). It's huge. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Okay, I can search for some minutes, or go to that link. But it doesn´t change the strangeness of the fact that MS changed something that worked quite well, and was good for many administrators. And if SP1 cannot be integrated, but SP2 can, then it sounds like they perceived people liked/wanted the feature, isn´t it? - Original Message - From: Mike Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) It's not hard to find this information. Normally I would reply with a link but if you would just search for a minute or two you will see countless stories on the topic. The very message you replied to contains the whitepaper which states you can only get slipstreamed media from MS for SP1. There is a little vagueness in the information but that's only if you're trying hard to find something that's not there. Lots of articles out there mentioning that SP2 will allow for slipstreaming by the end user. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Silvio L. Nisgoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) Let´s wait to see what will be the MS-recommended way for it ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Link? I'm curious From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) The front page of their site has some really depressing comments to make about those who would like to install a service pack though. -- Mike Gill From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Similar to nLite for XP and 2003. I use this along with an answer file cause it allows me to install a base OS in less than 10 minutes. I wonder if this is made by the same guys -Sam From: Amer Karim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: FYI Thought this might be of interest to some (haven't tried it myself yet...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,141992-c,vistalonghorn/article.html Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
The front page of their site has some really depressing comments to make about those who would like to install a service pack though. -- Mike Gill From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 6:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Similar to nLite for XP and 2003. I use this along with an answer file cause it allows me to install a base OS in less than 10 minutes. I wonder if this is made by the same guys -Sam _ From: Amer Karim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: FYI Thought this might be of interest to some (haven't tried it myself yet...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,141992-c,vistalonghorn/article.html Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Thanks, I guess I could have found that myself :) Just as I expected - he responded the Service Pack should be slipstream into the installed DVD first. Makes perfect sense. They even have a product to simplify that, I am surprised he didn't plug it. (it must not work with Vista yet. Probably since there is not an official service pack released for vista yet.) -Original Message- From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Link? I'm curious http://www.vlite.net/ And MS's response to vLite - to be expected though: Microsoft doesn't recommend creating Vista 'Lite' http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9861474-56.html - Andy O. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: FYI (vLite)
If it cannot be slipstreamed, one more negative point to Vista. - Original Message - From: Sam Cayze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? I had no idea, damn. You would thing with all the advancements in their imaging capabilities they could overcome this. IE - being able to push patches to a Deployment WIM Image. -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:38 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Aside from that, the link on the vLite site to information on SP1 is more depressing than the front page. They say it can be done, but their page that shows you how has so much strike-out text on it, what's the point? It this kind of stuff that I see people raving about from time to time. But then I get a call for help from a friend who used it and has some weird problem I've never heard of, or even a more common problem that is now unsolvable because of some peripheral DLL/EXE/REG/APP is missing and preventing a solution. What other updates won't be able to be applied? For those that want to use it fine. And I think they make a great point in what they're doing; one I hope MS notices. But real world use for people that want their computer to actually work should not bother. -- Mike Gill -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 12:54 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Thanks, I guess I could have found that myself :) Just as I expected - he responded the Service Pack should be slipstream into the installed DVD first. Makes perfect sense. They even have a product to simplify that, I am surprised he didn't plug it. (it must not work with Vista yet. Probably since there is not an official service pack released for vista yet.) -Original Message- From: Andy Ognenoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 2:49 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Link? I'm curious http://www.vlite.net/ And MS's response to vLite - to be expected though: Microsoft doesn't recommend creating Vista 'Lite' http://www.news.com/8301-13860_3-9861474-56.html - Andy O. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
-Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ Please consider the environment before printing this email. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
I can imagine that it's a bit more complex than slipstreaming/integrating XP, due to having multiple images on a single DVD. But there must be some way to do it. I can't imagine that Microsoft would drop such a feature. Hence my scepticism. But, we've all been surprised before. So, if someone has a link to some Microsoft documentation on what we're supposed to do, I'm very interested! Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
So... How are they going to distribute these so called Vista DVDs with SPs intergrated? Sounds like they are asking for another licensing/piracy mess to me. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) I can imagine that it's a bit more complex than slipstreaming/integrating XP, due to having multiple images on a single DVD. But there must be some way to do it. I can't imagine that Microsoft would drop such a feature. Hence my scepticism. But, we've all been surprised before. So, if someone has a link to some Microsoft documentation on what we're supposed to do, I'm very interested! Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Same way they've distributed XP with service packs integrated. Same way they've distributed Windows Server 2003 with service packs integrated. Not really a big deal. They just drop them into the retail chain and make them available at MSDN/eOpen/etc. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) So... How are they going to distribute these so called Vista DVDs with SPs intergrated? Sounds like they are asking for another licensing/piracy mess to me. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) I can imagine that it's a bit more complex than slipstreaming/integrating XP, due to having multiple images on a single DVD. But there must be some way to do it. I can't imagine that Microsoft would drop such a feature. Hence my scepticism. But, we've all been surprised before. So, if someone has a link to some Microsoft documentation on what we're supposed to do, I'm very interested! Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
It's a lot more complicated. And it won't be officially supported. Here is the blog on that: http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/pages/windows-vista-service-p ack-1-beta-whitepaper.aspx And here is someone who has figured out how to do it anyway (using vLite, non-surprisingly): http://www.joejoe.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=13943 Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) I can imagine that it's a bit more complex than slipstreaming/integrating XP, due to having multiple images on a single DVD. But there must be some way to do it. I can't imagine that Microsoft would drop such a feature. Hence my scepticism. But, we've all been surprised before. So, if someone has a link to some Microsoft documentation on what we're supposed to do, I'm very interested! Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
There's a difference between building an installation source - they just build binaries from the source control system and say here's your Vista source - it just happens to include all the binaries that SP1 updates -VS- You already have a bunch of Vista binaries (on your DVD), and then you need to selectively replace some of them with some new ones. It's just that you have 6 different editions of Vista on the DVD already etc. So, Microsoft will easily be able to press new DVDs with SP1 integrated into them. Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) So... How are they going to distribute these so called Vista DVDs with SPs intergrated? Sounds like they are asking for another licensing/piracy mess to me. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) I can imagine that it's a bit more complex than slipstreaming/integrating XP, due to having multiple images on a single DVD. But there must be some way to do it. I can't imagine that Microsoft would drop such a feature. Hence my scepticism. But, we've all been surprised before. So, if someone has a link to some Microsoft documentation on what we're supposed to do, I'm very interested! Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Yeah I was thinking more on the OEM consumer level. I guess slipstreaming doesn't really matter much in that channel though. MSDN/eOpen/etc Yeah, the seed of all the piracy problems for MS :) -Original Message- From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Same way they've distributed XP with service packs integrated. Same way they've distributed Windows Server 2003 with service packs integrated. Not really a big deal. They just drop them into the retail chain and make them available at MSDN/eOpen/etc. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com -Original Message- From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 10:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) So... How are they going to distribute these so called Vista DVDs with SPs intergrated? Sounds like they are asking for another licensing/piracy mess to me. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) I can imagine that it's a bit more complex than slipstreaming/integrating XP, due to having multiple images on a single DVD. But there must be some way to do it. I can't imagine that Microsoft would drop such a feature. Hence my scepticism. But, we've all been surprised before. So, if someone has a link to some Microsoft documentation on what we're supposed to do, I'm very interested! Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:16 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
After Mike mentioned that, I decided to go look it up - from what I can gather, it's true: http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/pages/windows-vista-servi ce-pack-1-beta-whitepaper.aspx (scroll down to Evaluating SP1 section) - SP1 will change a significant number of files; customers cannot apply SP1 to offline Windows Vista images. http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/09/05/slipstream-windows-vista-sp1-in to-dvd-iso-image-by-reverse-integration/ gives a possible method to do so (and also mentions vLite); will have to try it once the RTM SP1 is released officially http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_sp1_inside.asp scroll down to the deploying windows vista SP1 section. Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems -Original Message- From: Mark Boersma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31-Jan-08 10:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Seriously? I hadn't heard that it couldn't be slipstreamed. Whose ba$$ackwards idea was that? Mark - Two rules to success in life: 1. Never tell people everything you know. -Original Message- From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 8:34 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) -Original Message- From: Mike Gill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 9:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) You have heard that SP1 cannot be slipstreamed right? You will need to wait (which may not take long) for official SP1 integrated media from MS. Do you have a link for this? Cheers Ken ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ Please consider the environment before printing this email. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipients(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: FYI (vLite)
On Jan 29, 2008 11:37 PM, Michael Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but can u install vista to a place other than c:\windows i just want to know if you can... It's been possible all along, it's just a lot of things (including Microsoft's own stuff) assume C:\WINDOWS or C: and won't work if you change things. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
That's not true. The OS uses a %windir% variable that that points to where the OS files are no matter what directory it is in. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) On Jan 29, 2008 11:37 PM, Michael Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but can u install vista to a place other than c:\windows i just want to know if you can... It's been possible all along, it's just a lot of things (including Microsoft's own stuff) assume C:\WINDOWS or C: and won't work if you change things. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
I agree, I have changed the directory name, even on a server. It didn't effect anything. And I was reassured it wouldn't by people on this list. -Original Message- From: Rod Trent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 10:41 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) That's not true. The OS uses a %windir% variable that that points to where the OS files are no matter what directory it is in. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:38 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) On Jan 29, 2008 11:37 PM, Michael Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but can u install vista to a place other than c:\windows i just want to know if you can... It's been possible all along, it's just a lot of things (including Microsoft's own stuff) assume C:\WINDOWS or C: and won't work if you change things. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Uh, it's sysprep. There are no environment variables available when preparing the system for imaging, unless you generate a boot device with the variables you define. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:06 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) On Jan 30, 2008 11:41 AM, Rod Trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been possible all along, it's just a lot of things (including Microsoft's own stuff) assume C:\WINDOWS or C: and won't work if you change things. That's not true. It is true. (I can make empty statements, too.) The OS uses a %windir% variable that that points to where the OS files are no matter what directory it is in. I'm aware of %WINDIR% and %SystemDrive%, thanks. But there's stuff that wrongly assumes certain locations. Obviously deficient software, but there's a lot of that out there, and some of it comes from Microsoft. To pick an example I just saw mention of recently, the docs for the recent SYSPREP releases say it should be run from C: drive only. Maybe it might work elsewhere, but Microsoft says C: is the only way to do it. So maybe you should tell the people maintaining SYSREP about %SystemDrive%, eh? I've encountered random cases like this plenty of times over the years. The MSKB may confirm that this is a problem in the Microsoft products listed, but that doesn't really help you if you're stuck. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: FYI (vLite)
On Jan 30, 2008 11:41 AM, Rod Trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been possible all along, it's just a lot of things (including Microsoft's own stuff) assume C:\WINDOWS or C: and won't work if you change things. That's not true. It is true. (I can make empty statements, too.) The OS uses a %windir% variable that that points to where the OS files are no matter what directory it is in. I'm aware of %WINDIR% and %SystemDrive%, thanks. But there's stuff that wrongly assumes certain locations. Obviously deficient software, but there's a lot of that out there, and some of it comes from Microsoft. To pick an example I just saw mention of recently, the docs for the recent SYSPREP releases say it should be run from C: drive only. Maybe it might work elsewhere, but Microsoft says C: is the only way to do it. So maybe you should tell the people maintaining SYSREP about %SystemDrive%, eh? I've encountered random cases like this plenty of times over the years. The MSKB may confirm that this is a problem in the Microsoft products listed, but that doesn't really help you if you're stuck. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: FYI (vLite)
On Jan 30, 2008 12:16 PM, Rod Trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, it's sysprep. There are no environment variables available when preparing the system for imaging, unless you generate a boot device with the variables you define. I would argue that they *are* there when SYSPREP itself runs, so it should be aware of them, but that's missing the real point: There *are* things that care about the Windows directory or drive, including things from Microsoft. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
On 29 Jan 2008 at 20:48, Sam Cayze wrote: Similar to nLite for XP and 2003. I usethis along with an answer file cause it allows me to install a base OS in less than 10 minutes. Care to share your answer file? -- Angus Scott-Fleming http://www.geoapps.com/ ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Um - so what happens when you upgrade a Windows NT box to Windows 2000 to Windows 2003? It'll still be using winnt. Personally I haven't seen anything major stop working because I didn't use c:\windows. I suppose you could try a symlink or something if you really got stuck. Cheers Ken -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2008 4:06 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: FYI (vLite) On Jan 30, 2008 11:41 AM, Rod Trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been possible all along, it's just a lot of things (including Microsoft's own stuff) assume C:\WINDOWS or C: and won't work if you change things. That's not true. It is true. (I can make empty statements, too.) The OS uses a %windir% variable that that points to where the OS files are no matter what directory it is in. I'm aware of %WINDIR% and %SystemDrive%, thanks. But there's stuff that wrongly assumes certain locations. Obviously deficient software, but there's a lot of that out there, and some of it comes from Microsoft. To pick an example I just saw mention of recently, the docs for the recent SYSPREP releases say it should be run from C: drive only. Maybe it might work elsewhere, but Microsoft says C: is the only way to do it. So maybe you should tell the people maintaining SYSREP about %SystemDrive%, eh? I've encountered random cases like this plenty of times over the years. The MSKB may confirm that this is a problem in the Microsoft products listed, but that doesn't really help you if you're stuck. -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
Re: FYI (vLite)
On Jan 30, 2008 7:37 PM, Ken Schaefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um - so what happens when you upgrade a Windows NT box to Windows 2000 to Windows 2003? It'll still be using winnt. Yah, which might make things interesting. Indeed, I recall seeing at least one MSKB article about just that. Some update/add-on/whatever assumed Windows 2003 meant C:\WINDOWS and so looked in the wrong place on an upgraded system. There was a fix, though I don't recall the details. Likely either a registry tweak or reissued update. Personally I haven't seen anything major stop working because I didn't use c:\windows. Well, for the record, I've never seen anything major (from Microsoft) stop working because of it, either. I expect smaller or more esoteric stuff is more likely to not get well tested, or be given to less savvy teams inside Microsoft. Now, third-party software, that's another thing entirely. Especially back when original Windows (not the NT line) was more common; a lot of crappy third party vendors assumed C:\WINDOWS for everything. But I'm sure we all know there's no limit to how *bad* software can get. :) -- Ben ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
Similar to nLite for XP and 2003. I use this along with an answer file cause it allows me to install a base OS in less than 10 minutes. I wonder if this is made by the same guys -Sam From: Amer Karim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: FYI Thought this might be of interest to some (haven't tried it myself yet...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,141992-c,vistalonghorn/article.html Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
I've used nLite as well and it's the same guy who developed both. Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29-Jan-08 10:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Similar to nLite for XP and 2003. I use this along with an answer file cause it allows me to install a base OS in less than 10 minutes. I wonder if this is made by the same guys -Sam From: Amer Karim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: FYI Thought this might be of interest to some (haven't tried it myself yet...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,141992-c,vistalonghorn/article.html Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
RE: FYI (vLite)
but can u install vista to a place other than c:\windows i just want to know if you can... _ From: Amer Karim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 9:12 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) I've used nLite as well and it's the same guy who developed both. Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems From: Sam Cayze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29-Jan-08 10:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: FYI (vLite) Similar to nLite for XP and 2003. I use this along with an answer file cause it allows me to install a base OS in less than 10 minutes. I wonder if this is made by the same guys -Sam _ From: Amer Karim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:40 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: FYI Thought this might be of interest to some (haven't tried it myself yet...) http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,141992-c,vistalonghorn/article.html Regards, Amer Karim Nautilis Information Systems ~ Upgrade to Next Generation Antispam/Antivirus with Ninja!~ ~ http://www.sunbelt-software.com/SunbeltMessagingNinja.cfm ~
