RE: How to create a trust?

2008-11-15 Thread Miller Bonnie L .
We have one external trust set up between two forests.  Although we do still 
have WINS (we'll see how long that lasts...) I didn't have to use it to get the 
trust setup.  DNS alone is not enough, but correctly configured lmhosts files 
on the two PDC emulators that establish the trust will do the job.  That may 
not be enough to actually USE the trusted resources across both domains 
completely though--we only want them available on specific servers, so that is 
what we have defined.

I remember needing either (or maybe both) the 0x1b and 0x1c records, as well as 
defining the DC on the other end of the trust.  I can pull a copy if anyone 
needs the format-let me know.

-Bonnie


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How to create a trust?

Interesting!

Does this mean, then, for a trust to work better, WINS servers should be
running at each domain?
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org


Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2008 09:08:39 AM:

 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Free, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Creating trusts is generally also dependent on short-name(NetBios)

   Ah.  Doesn't surprise me.  Good to know.  :)

  NetBios is not as dead as some would have you think.

   Yah.  Microsoft keeps says NetBIOS is decreated, but then you run
 across MSKB articles saying such and such won't work if NetBIOS is
 disabled.

   I suspect NetBIOS is never going to go away completely.  NetBIOS's
 naming protocols are built-in to Windows in some rather core places.
 In particular, the security subsystem and SMB.  Historically,
 Microsoft has not had much luck upgrading that stuff.  I suspect that
 code is so old and poorly written (some of dates back to Win 3.x!)
 nobody is left who understands what it all does.  By all appearances,
 AD couples on to those things, rather than replacing them.  Usually
 the UI hides all this, but the old stuff still pokes through on
 occasion, in error messages, the registry, and so on.

 -- Ben

 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
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Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-14 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Free, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Creating trusts is generally also dependent on short-name(NetBios)

  Ah.  Doesn't surprise me.  Good to know.  :)

 NetBios is not as dead as some would have you think.

  Yah.  Microsoft keeps says NetBIOS is decreated, but then you run
across MSKB articles saying such and such won't work if NetBIOS is
disabled.

  I suspect NetBIOS is never going to go away completely.  NetBIOS's
naming protocols are built-in to Windows in some rather core places.
In particular, the security subsystem and SMB.  Historically,
Microsoft has not had much luck upgrading that stuff.  I suspect that
code is so old and poorly written (some of dates back to Win 3.x!)
nobody is left who understands what it all does.  By all appearances,
AD couples on to those things, rather than replacing them.  Usually
the UI hides all this, but the old stuff still pokes through on
occasion, in error messages, the registry, and so on.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-14 Thread RichardMcClary
Interesting!

Does this mean, then, for a trust to work better, WINS servers should be 
running at each domain?
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org


Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2008 09:08:39 AM:

 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Free, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Creating trusts is generally also dependent on short-name(NetBios)
 
   Ah.  Doesn't surprise me.  Good to know.  :)
 
  NetBios is not as dead as some would have you think.
 
   Yah.  Microsoft keeps says NetBIOS is decreated, but then you run
 across MSKB articles saying such and such won't work if NetBIOS is
 disabled.
 
   I suspect NetBIOS is never going to go away completely.  NetBIOS's
 naming protocols are built-in to Windows in some rather core places.
 In particular, the security subsystem and SMB.  Historically,
 Microsoft has not had much luck upgrading that stuff.  I suspect that
 code is so old and poorly written (some of dates back to Win 3.x!)
 nobody is left who understands what it all does.  By all appearances,
 AD couples on to those things, rather than replacing them.  Usually
 the UI hides all this, but the old stuff still pokes through on
 occasion, in error messages, the registry, and so on.
 
 -- Ben
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-14 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:37 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Does this mean, then, for a trust to work better, WINS servers should be
 running at each domain?

  That appears to be the suggestion.  I'd start with DNS, because it
should be relatively easy to get both domains resolving each other.
Merging NetBIOS namespaces is likely to be rather more involved.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


RE: How to create a trust?

2008-11-14 Thread Free, Bob
To *establish* the trust you generally need to have short-name
resolution. Only 2 Windows 2003 Full Native Mode Forests can establish a
trust
using Kerberos. All other trusts will use NTLM, hence you need NetBIOS
name resolution.

You don't have to have WINS, LMHOSTS files also work. I do have a config
where an external trust also includes replicating WINS partners between
the organizations for legacy support of some really old applications but
it's definitely not required. It does make working with the trust
simpler but I have also gone the LMHOSTS route before. I sure wouldn't
suggest installing WINS just for the purpose of establishing the trust.

I don't recall all the details of your dilemma but one hopes that the
NetBIOS names of your domains are different...That has bitten people in
the arse before

  

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How to create a trust?

Interesting!

Does this mean, then, for a trust to work better, WINS servers should be

running at each domain?
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org


Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/14/2008 09:08:39 AM:

 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Free, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Creating trusts is generally also dependent on short-name(NetBios)
 
   Ah.  Doesn't surprise me.  Good to know.  :)
 
  NetBios is not as dead as some would have you think.
 
   Yah.  Microsoft keeps says NetBIOS is decreated, but then you run
 across MSKB articles saying such and such won't work if NetBIOS is
 disabled.
 
   I suspect NetBIOS is never going to go away completely.  NetBIOS's
 naming protocols are built-in to Windows in some rather core places.
 In particular, the security subsystem and SMB.  Historically,
 Microsoft has not had much luck upgrading that stuff.  I suspect that
 code is so old and poorly written (some of dates back to Win 3.x!)
 nobody is left who understands what it all does.  By all appearances,
 AD couples on to those things, rather than replacing them.  Usually
 the UI hides all this, but the old stuff still pokes through on
 occasion, in error messages, the registry, and so on.
 
 -- Ben
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-13 Thread RichardMcClary
Ah, finally, a reply - thanks!

From my (IL) network, an NYC DomainAdmin opens a remote session on an NYC 
DomainController.

We then did just as Microsoft (and you) said - the Properties tab of the 
NYC domain's AD DT tool.

At the moment, the Big Boss says to back off creating the trust until he 
can have some consultants around to hold our hands, so the next attempt 
will be several weeks from now.

Whatever, though, should both domains have started off with a DNS A record 
pointing to each other's domains?  It seems to be obvious, the the MS How 
to... neglected that.

Thanks again!
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org


Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/12/2008 10:38:59 PM:

 On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ANYWAY, the help file says to select External Trust for trust type. 
We
  seem to have no such option - only Realm trust or Trust with a 
Windows
  domain.  Neither works.
 
   What are you doing to get to where you're seeing that?
 
   As I recall, it's all under the Active Directory Domains and
 Trusts tool, right-click the domain object icon itself, do
 Properties, and it's one of the tabs.  (Don't have a box to test on
 where I am now.)  You add the other domain on each domain so they can
 trust each other.
 
 -- Ben
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-13 Thread Jon Harris
Either that or have it in both the LMHOST and HOST files.  They are fragile
at least mine have been but then if you are not monkeying with DNS a lot
they work well.  One thing I have found is it is best if both are at the
same functional and domain levels but then I am in a University settiing and
things get changed more in that setting from my experience.

Jon

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ah, finally, a reply - thanks!

 From my (IL) network, an NYC DomainAdmin opens a remote session on an NYC
 DomainController.

 We then did just as Microsoft (and you) said - the Properties tab of the
 NYC domain's AD DT tool.

 At the moment, the Big Boss says to back off creating the trust until he
 can have some consultants around to hold our hands, so the next attempt
 will be several weeks from now.

 Whatever, though, should both domains have started off with a DNS A record
 pointing to each other's domains?  It seems to be obvious, the the MS How
 to... neglected that.

 Thanks again!
 --
 Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
 ASPCA Knowledge Management
 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
 217-337-9761
 http://www.aspca.org


 Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/12/2008 10:38:59 PM:

  On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ANYWAY, the help file says to select External Trust for trust type.
 We
   seem to have no such option - only Realm trust or Trust with a
 Windows
   domain.  Neither works.
 
What are you doing to get to where you're seeing that?
 
As I recall, it's all under the Active Directory Domains and
  Trusts tool, right-click the domain object icon itself, do
  Properties, and it's one of the tabs.  (Don't have a box to test on
  where I am now.)  You add the other domain on each domain so they can
  trust each other.
 
  -- Ben
 
  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
  ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-13 Thread RichardMcClary
Thanks!

I was tempted(!) to raise the NYC functional level but was too much in 
fear for the Big Boss (officed next door to the UberBig Boss).
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org


Jon Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/13/2008 07:32:07 AM:

 Either that or have it in both the LMHOST and HOST files.  They are 
 fragile at least mine have been but then if you are not monkeying 
 with DNS a lot they work well.  One thing I have found is it is best
 if both are at the same functional and domain levels but then I am 
 in a University settiing and things get changed more in that setting
 from my experience.
 
 Jon

 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ah, finally, a reply - thanks!
 
 From my (IL) network, an NYC DomainAdmin opens a remote session on an 
NYC
 DomainController.
 
 We then did just as Microsoft (and you) said - the Properties tab of the
 NYC domain's AD DT tool.
 
 At the moment, the Big Boss says to back off creating the trust until he
 can have some consultants around to hold our hands, so the next attempt
 will be several weeks from now.
 
 Whatever, though, should both domains have started off with a DNS A 
record
 pointing to each other's domains?  It seems to be obvious, the the MS 
How
 to... neglected that.
 
 Thanks again!
 --
 Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
 ASPCA Knowledge Management
 1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
 217-337-9761
 http://www.aspca.org
 

 Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/12/2008 10:38:59 PM:
 
  On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ANYWAY, the help file says to select External Trust for trust 
type.
 We
   seem to have no such option - only Realm trust or Trust with a
 Windows
   domain.  Neither works.
 
What are you doing to get to where you're seeing that?
 
As I recall, it's all under the Active Directory Domains and
  Trusts tool, right-click the domain object icon itself, do
  Properties, and it's one of the tabs.  (Don't have a box to test on
  where I am now.)  You add the other domain on each domain so they can
  trust each other.
 
  -- Ben
 
  ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
  ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
 
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~
 
 
 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:15 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We then did just as Microsoft (and you) said - the Properties tab of the
 NYC domain's AD DT tool.

  On my Win 2K servers, that's where I would go.

  Let's suppose you have domains foo.example.com and bar.example.com.

1. Log in to a computer on domain foo.example.com using an account
with domain admin rights
2. Open Active Directory Domains and Trusts
3. Right-click the domain icon, choose Properties
4. Trusts tab.  There are two lists: Domains trusted by this
domain and Domains that trust this domain.
5. Click Add for trusted by
6. Enter the domain name bar.example.com, and a password for the trust.
7. Repeat steps 5 and 6 for the trust this list
8. Repeat steps 1 through 7 on domain bar.example.com, targeting
domain foo.example.com

  Don't enter the angle-brackets, if that isn't obvious.  :)

  The trust password is just a shared secret unique to the trust, not
a domain admin account password or anything else.

 Whatever, though, should both domains have started off with a DNS A record
 pointing to each other's domains?

  You will need DNS working for both domains in both domains for AD to
work properly.  However, I believe just adding an A record will not do
it.  All the docs say AD uses SRV records to locate DCs, and I've
never seen anything that leads me to think otherwise.

  Your best bet is to make sure each domain can fully resolve all DNS
records in the other domain.  If the domains share a common parent
domain, that can be done by making sure delegations (NS records) exist
for each subdomain, and that those NS records are returned in each
domain.  However, that won't work if the domains are private and don't
share their DNS infrastructure.  If that's the case, and you're
running Windows 2003 for DNS, you can configure your DNS servers for
each one to forward queries for the specific domains to the DNS
servers for the other domain.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-13 Thread RichardMcClary
I think the last line says it all, and we'll do that next time.

Again, I think some of the snags (in addition to that last line) are 
because, although NYC has 4 Win2003 DCs, their functional level still 
shows as Win2000.  Our level is at Win2003 which NYC must change.

As to proper AD functionality w/SRV, DNS, etc, well, we gotta get the 
trust set up first.

Thanks, this is great!
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
217-337-9761
http://www.aspca.org


Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/13/2008 07:59:35 AM:

 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:15 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  We then did just as Microsoft (and you) said - the Properties tab of 
the
  NYC domain's AD DT tool.
 
   On my Win 2K servers, that's where I would go.
 
   Let's suppose you have domains foo.example.com and 
bar.example.com.
 
 1. Log in to a computer on domain foo.example.com using an account
 with domain admin rights
 2. Open Active Directory Domains and Trusts
 3. Right-click the domain icon, choose Properties
 4. Trusts tab.  There are two lists: Domains trusted by this
 domain and Domains that trust this domain.
 5. Click Add for trusted by
 6. Enter the domain name bar.example.com, and a password for the 
trust.
 7. Repeat steps 5 and 6 for the trust this list
 8. Repeat steps 1 through 7 on domain bar.example.com, targeting
 domain foo.example.com
 
   Don't enter the angle-brackets, if that isn't obvious.  :)
 
   The trust password is just a shared secret unique to the trust, not
 a domain admin account password or anything else.
 
  Whatever, though, should both domains have started off with a DNS A 
record
  pointing to each other's domains?
 
   You will need DNS working for both domains in both domains for AD to
 work properly.  However, I believe just adding an A record will not do
 it.  All the docs say AD uses SRV records to locate DCs, and I've
 never seen anything that leads me to think otherwise.
 
   Your best bet is to make sure each domain can fully resolve all DNS
 records in the other domain.  If the domains share a common parent
 domain, that can be done by making sure delegations (NS records) exist
 for each subdomain, and that those NS records are returned in each
 domain.  However, that won't work if the domains are private and don't
 share their DNS infrastructure.  If that's the case, and you're
 running Windows 2003 for DNS, you can configure your DNS servers for
 each one to forward queries for the specific domains to the DNS
 servers for the other domain.
 
 -- Ben
 
 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
 ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


R: How to create a trust?

2008-11-13 Thread HELP_PC
Add the DNS of the trusted domain as secondary zone and ask it will allow to 
download the zone 


GuidoElia
HELPPC

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Inviato: giovedì 13 novembre 2008 15.00
A: NT System Admin Issues
Oggetto: Re: How to create a trust?

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:15 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We then did just as Microsoft (and you) said - the Properties tab of 
 the NYC domain's AD DT tool.

  On my Win 2K servers, that's where I would go.

  Let's suppose you have domains foo.example.com and bar.example.com.

1. Log in to a computer on domain foo.example.com using an account with 
domain admin rights 2. Open Active Directory Domains and Trusts 3. Right-click 
the domain icon, choose Properties
4. Trusts tab.  There are two lists: Domains trusted by this domain and 
Domains that trust this domain.
5. Click Add for trusted by
6. Enter the domain name bar.example.com, and a password for the trust.
7. Repeat steps 5 and 6 for the trust this list 8. Repeat steps 1 through 7 
on domain bar.example.com, targeting domain foo.example.com

  Don't enter the angle-brackets, if that isn't obvious.  :)

  The trust password is just a shared secret unique to the trust, not a domain 
admin account password or anything else.

 Whatever, though, should both domains have started off with a DNS A 
 record pointing to each other's domains?

  You will need DNS working for both domains in both domains for AD to work 
properly.  However, I believe just adding an A record will not do it.  All the 
docs say AD uses SRV records to locate DCs, and I've never seen anything that 
leads me to think otherwise.

  Your best bet is to make sure each domain can fully resolve all DNS records 
in the other domain.  If the domains share a common parent domain, that can be 
done by making sure delegations (NS records) exist for each subdomain, and that 
those NS records are returned in each domain.  However, that won't work if the 
domains are private and don't share their DNS infrastructure.  If that's the 
case, and you're running Windows 2003 for DNS, you can configure your DNS 
servers for each one to forward queries for the specific domains to the DNS 
servers for the other domain.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-13 Thread Ben Scott
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:31 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Again, I think some of the snags (in addition to that last line) are
 because, although NYC has 4 Win2003 DCs, their functional level still
 shows as Win2000.  Our level is at Win2003 which NYC must change.

  I've never tried it, but I'm not so sure functional levels need to
match between domains for external trusts between AD domains.  I say
that mainly because I *have* created trusts between an AD domain and
an NTLM domain, which are *very* different beats, and that certainly
worked fine.  I wouldn't expect the trust mechanism to allow that, but
then be pickier about AD-AD trusts.  Then again, I've seen stupider
limitations.

 As to proper AD functionality w/SRV, DNS, etc, well, we gotta get the
 trust set up first.

  That may not be possible.  I think you need to have DNS working
properly in order to establish the trust.  AD uses DNS to find DCs.
Without proper DNS, the one domain's DCs will not be able to find the
other domain's DCs.  If the DCs cannot talk, the trust isn't going to
be very useful, even if you manage to create it.

  I'm checking my usual sources (Minasi, Lowe-Norris, Crawford,
Google), and I can't find anything that says AD trusts definitely will
not work without proper DNS.  But do find lots of recommendations to
have DNS working properly.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


RE: How to create a trust?

2008-11-13 Thread Free, Bob
Creating trusts is generally also dependent on short-name(NetBios)
resolution as well as the other obvious requirements. Often after people
have fought creating a trust for some time and employ LMHOST files (or
WINS) it magically works...

NetBios is not as dead as some would have you think. There are several
MSKB articles about trust creation failing in the absense of shortname
resolution. Good summary in this article- 

http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2004/05/11/netbios.html


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How to create a trust?

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:31 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Again, I think some of the snags (in addition to that last line) are 
 because, although NYC has 4 Win2003 DCs, their functional level still 
 shows as Win2000.  Our level is at Win2003 which NYC must change.

  I've never tried it, but I'm not so sure functional levels need to
match between domains for external trusts between AD domains.  I say
that mainly because I *have* created trusts between an AD domain and an
NTLM domain, which are *very* different beats, and that certainly worked
fine.  I wouldn't expect the trust mechanism to allow that, but then be
pickier about AD-AD trusts.  Then again, I've seen stupider
limitations.

 As to proper AD functionality w/SRV, DNS, etc, well, we gotta get the 
 trust set up first.

  That may not be possible.  I think you need to have DNS working
properly in order to establish the trust.  AD uses DNS to find DCs.
Without proper DNS, the one domain's DCs will not be able to find the
other domain's DCs.  If the DCs cannot talk, the trust isn't going to be
very useful, even if you manage to create it.

  I'm checking my usual sources (Minasi, Lowe-Norris, Crawford, Google),
and I can't find anything that says AD trusts definitely will not work
without proper DNS.  But do find lots of recommendations to have DNS
working properly.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/  ~


How to create a trust?

2008-11-12 Thread RichardMcClary
Greetings!

There exists a dedicated T1 between my network and company HQ in NYC.  We 
really should have created a trust long ago, but...

Anyway, a domain admin from NYC is here and logged into an NYC DC.  We're 
unable to create a trust.  The on-line instructions (such as menus, what 
tabs to see, etc) do not seem to apply.

FWIW, we are at functional level Win2003 native; they are at Win2000 
native.

ANYWAY, the help file says to select External Trust for trust type.  We 
seem to have no such option - only Realm trust or Trust with a Windows 
domain.  Neither works.

What do we seem to be missing?  Thanks!
--
Richard McClary, Systems Administrator
ASPCA Knowledge Management
1717 S Philo Rd, Ste 36, Urbana, IL  61802
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Re: How to create a trust?

2008-11-12 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:59 PM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ANYWAY, the help file says to select External Trust for trust type.  We
 seem to have no such option - only Realm trust or Trust with a Windows
 domain.  Neither works.

  What are you doing to get to where you're seeing that?

  As I recall, it's all under the Active Directory Domains and
Trusts tool, right-click the domain object icon itself, do
Properties, and it's one of the tabs.  (Don't have a box to test on
where I am now.)  You add the other domain on each domain so they can
trust each other.

-- Ben

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