Re: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
Greg, please look at the hardware requirements of Hyper-V their are things that may or may not cause you issues. One of which is you need the ability to do virtualization on the hardware it is not just drivers. I only wish it was. I have a Dell 2850 that will not support Hyper-V but will support ESXi and Virtual Server. At the moment it is a doing Virtual Server and I will admit that it is a bit of a hack but still ok for the limited about of work I expected of it. Hyper-V is much better and I am currently supporting 4 servers with 2 more in the wings waiting on the down time to move them over to our Dell 2900. Jon On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Greg Mulholland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Firstly ESX and ESXi are two different beasts. ESX in any way shape or form is not free. ESXi by itself is however. Without any added features like Virtual Center etc etc Hyperv will run on just about any hardware as it uses the windows driver model where as ESXi will be a little more tricky, not buy much though, Carl was not quite right. ESXi will run fine on whiteboxes, or desktops. The only requirements that you will generally find is the scsi or sata controller is supported and the network card. I have successfully built a number using a $150 sata controller and Intel 1gb nic's. In fact my home AMD workstation is running ESXi right now. If you are looking at this from a licensing perspective (good luck) then you will need to evaluate whether buying a std, ent, dc version of Windows 2008 and the additional licenses to run Hyperv guests on that box will be something that floats your boat or not. You would also need to look at which version of hyperv you would use, full, server core or standalone. Pay some attention to how you will manage these virtual hosts too, hint# if you are planning server core or standalone then be prepared for some hoop jumping. I have used both and an unashamedly of the Vmware religion as is my job these days and so am a little biased. But I have had a fair play with Hyperv in all its forms and it still feels betaish to me. Some of the feature set outlined for the next version look great but that is 2 years away. If we compare these two versions only then I would say they both work but I like the Vmware VIClient interface and management much more than the Hyperv console. My advice, after all that would be to try them out. Presumably you are going to have to look after them and feel comfortable supporting them so I would start with building a box for yourself to test with and going through the normal procedures you would to get this into production. Then try the other type and you will get an idea of what suits your environment and your skillset. Greg *From:* Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
And hardware DEP (which AMD and Intel call different things). Regards, Michael B. Smith, MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP My blog: http://TheEssentialExchange.com/blogs/michael Link with me at: http://www.linkedin.com/in/theessentialexchange -Original Message- From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:05 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi wouldn't even try to install on my ECS NFORCE6M-A(3.0) w/Phenom 9600. Told me the system wasn't recognized less than 2 minutes after booting the CD. HVS08, no problem. Maybe ESXi will run on specific cheap hardware, but Hyper-V will run on ANY cheap hardware that supports Vista 64-bit and virtual extensions. Carl -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
For a single server, ESX is free. From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
ESXi is 100% free for any number of servers. ESX (virtual Infrastructure 3) is not free From: Matthew Bullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi For a single server, ESX is free. From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
ESXi supports up to 128 powered on vm's and up to 64GB of RAM http://www.vmware.com/products/esxi/features.html Dallas From: Garcia-Moran, Carlos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi is 100% free for any number of servers. ESX (virtual Infrastructure 3) is not free From: Matthew Bullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:45 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi For a single server, ESX is free. From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
I believe Dallas is referring to the number of licenses you get with Windows server not what the OP was asking but worth noting. Hyper-V is only available if using Windows 2008 unless you are talking about the downloadable version but you still have to have the proper hardware to run either ESXi or Hyper-V. Either of the free versions still require you to purchase the number of licenses of the OS's you plan on deploying. The paid versions of Windows 2008 come as Dallas point out with additional licenses. I have not tried either of the free ones so I have no idea of how well they work. I am running a Windows 2008 Enterprise with at the moment 5 servers live on the machine using a mixture of 2003 and 2008 servers. All are well behaved and all have had the host OS shut them down for reboots after patching without user/admin intervention. Jon On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Garcia-Moran, Carlos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ESXi is 100% free for any number of servers. ESX (virtual Infrastructure 3) is not free *From:* Matthew Bullock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:45 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi For a single server, ESX is free. *From:* Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:21 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
Yup, indeed it does. Also, there is no comparison between any version of ESX HyPer-V At the moment, ESX wins hands down on all fronts. MS will probably catch up in around 10 years. S -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
Firstly ESX and ESXi are two different beasts. ESX in any way shape or form is not free. ESXi by itself is however. Without any added features like Virtual Center etc etc Hyperv will run on just about any hardware as it uses the windows driver model where as ESXi will be a little more tricky, not buy much though, Carl was not quite right. ESXi will run fine on whiteboxes, or desktops. The only requirements that you will generally find is the scsi or sata controller is supported and the network card. I have successfully built a number using a $150 sata controller and Intel 1gb nic's. In fact my home AMD workstation is running ESXi right now. If you are looking at this from a licensing perspective (good luck) then you will need to evaluate whether buying a std, ent, dc version of Windows 2008 and the additional licenses to run Hyperv guests on that box will be something that floats your boat or not. You would also need to look at which version of hyperv you would use, full, server core or standalone. Pay some attention to how you will manage these virtual hosts too, hint# if you are planning server core or standalone then be prepared for some hoop jumping. I have used both and an unashamedly of the Vmware religion as is my job these days and so am a little biased. But I have had a fair play with Hyperv in all its forms and it still feels betaish to me. Some of the feature set outlined for the next version look great but that is 2 years away. If we compare these two versions only then I would say they both work but I like the Vmware VIClient interface and management much more than the Hyperv console. My advice, after all that would be to try them out. Presumably you are going to have to look after them and feel comfortable supporting them so I would start with building a box for yourself to test with and going through the normal procedures you would to get this into production. Then try the other type and you will get an idea of what suits your environment and your skillset. Greg From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:21 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
Be careful.. We are not talking about ESX and Hyperv here. Anyone with half a brain knows there is no contest between the two overall. We are talking strictly about ESXi and HyperV Greg -Original Message- From: Steve Moffat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of NTSysAdmin Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Yup, indeed it does. Also, there is no comparison between any version of ESX HyPer-V At the moment, ESX wins hands down on all fronts. MS will probably catch up in around 10 years. S -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
ESXi wouldn't even try to install on my ECS NFORCE6M-A(3.0) w/Phenom 9600. Told me the system wasn't recognized less than 2 minutes after booting the CD. HVS08, no problem. Maybe ESXi will run on specific cheap hardware, but Hyper-V will run on ANY cheap hardware that supports Vista 64-bit and virtual extensions. Carl -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi
In addition. Most of the objects exposed in the VI API leveraged by PowerShell functionality is read only and therefore extremely limited in ESXi. It will only do reporting and that is pretty much it. ref: http://halr9000.com/article/612 Steven Peck On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Carl Houseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ESXi wouldn't even try to install on my ECS NFORCE6M-A(3.0) w/Phenom 9600. Told me the system wasn't recognized less than 2 minutes after booting the CD. HVS08, no problem. Maybe ESXi will run on specific cheap hardware, but Hyper-V will run on ANY cheap hardware that supports Vista 64-bit and virtual extensions. Carl -Original Message- From: Al Lilianstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi ESXi will run on white boxes and desktops. I have run it on a Dell Optiplex 620 and there is a whole community of folks running it on whiteboxes. Google esx white box Particularly the link - http://communities.vmware.com/thread/98225 Lots of people are running esx and ESXi on cheap hardware. al -- Al Lilianstrom CD/LSC/CSI/CSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Carl Houseman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:48 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi The basic differences between the two free products - Hyper-V Server 2008 (hereafter HVS08) vs. ESXi , are: ESXi has specific requirements on server and storage hardware. Those requirements are far more restrictive than HVS08 - for example you won't be able to run ESXi on a white box or desktop. HVS08 will run on any hardware with driver support for Windows 2008. HVS08 requires 64-bit and Intel-VT or AMD-V CPU support. ESXi can run on older server platforms that predate those features. ESXi allows over-subscription of memory. That means you could run two VMs allocated 4 GB each on a machine with less than 8 GB. HVS08 has almost as much RAM overhead as running it under Windows Server 2008 Core - so you would need about 9 GB to run two 4GB VMs. Carl From: Reimer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:21 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Hyper V vs VMWare ESXi Hi folks, I know this has been discussed earlier, but it has been a few months, and (iirc) VMWare ESXi has come out since then. Also I think/hope some of the experts here have had a chance to try Hyper-V and/or ESXi a bit more, and might have more comments. I am under financial restraints, and thus the full ESX version, or other paid products, will not be viable for me. At this point, I'm looking at virtualizing a few web servers, using MS Server 2003. These are front end machines that hook to a back end SQL servers. A couple of these web servers get very little traffic, and some will have more. I'll look into Enterprise and DataCenter versions because of the multiple copies on a virtual server that are allowed. I'm planning on using the local server for disk storage, no NAS/SAN involved. I do have the hardware that can run the virtual software necessary (maybe need some more RAM). My question. Preference? Also any new links that might compare the two? I might also look into Xen/Citrix free version, so if anybody has comments on that, please let me know. Thanks. Mark ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
