RE: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-21 Thread David Lum
I think it's more of a function of the SE than age-related. Also, sometimes 
technology moves in a way that causes some to lose interest.

Sometimes interest changes too, when I was younger I was all over the various 
chipsets, CPU's, etc (lol, like 386SX or DX!), and over time I've become far 
less latest hardware aware than latest ability to do something new. The 
only time I do much on the hardware side is when I need to make a 
recommendation, I spend a day or two getting up to speed on the latest hardware.

I generally behind on mobile devices and it's about time for me to pick my 
first smartphone, so the OT Droid 3 conversation has been a  great read.

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Age Discrimination in IT

I don't know if it's a question of age or if some older SEs just don't keep up 
with the changes.  I've been in IT for almost 20 years (wow, that sounds like a 
long time) and the company I'm with is currently migrating to Exchange 2010, 
virtual machines, and upgrading our storage.  I'm involved with all three 
projects.  I don't have the latest certifications, but I attend training when 
available, read, and ask lots of questions!

From: Daniel Evensen [mailto:dane...@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT:Age Discrimination in IT


Age Discrimination in IT: I have read several articles online that states that 
age Discrimination in IT is more prevalent than in other fields. Question, do 
you find this true or false? If you find it true how do you handle it?

I am a former NT System Administrator that was semi-retired and that wants to 
return to the IT field after a 10 year absence. Financially, I do not need to 
work but want to. I feel that the fact my health at 52 is excellent, am at the 
right weight etc, will be a plus in my favor.



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Re: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-21 Thread Ben Scott
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:18 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
 Sometimes interest changes too, when I was younger I was all over the
 various chipsets, CPU’s, etc (lol, like 386SX or DX!), and over time I’ve
 become far less “latest hardware” aware than “latest ability to do something
 new”.

  I believe this is a function of experience.  After you've been in
the industry for a while and seen a decade or two of OMG latest
product so fast/big/cheap/small/etc crazy wow hot stuff discussions,
you realize it's a bit like getting excited about the rain.  Cool when
you first see it; after a while, it's just background noise.

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RE: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-21 Thread pdw1914

I'm with you on that, David.  I couldn't even say what the newest pc chipset 
was.  We've gotten so busy with meeting meaningful use, expanded service, etc. 
I don't have time to do much of anything with pc's.  That's for the newer 
employees in the department.  It's gotten that there is just so much out there, 
it almost forces you to pick an area or two.

From: david@nwea.org
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:18:22 +
Subject: RE: Age Discrimination in IT



I think it’s more of a function of the SE than age-related. Also, sometimes 
technology moves in a way that causes some to lose interest. Sometimes interest 
changes too, when I was younger I was all over the various chipsets, CPU’s, etc 
(lol, like 386SX or DX!), and over time I’ve become far less “latest hardware” 
aware than “latest ability to do something new”. The only time I do much on the 
hardware side is when I need to make a recommendation, I spend a day or two 
getting up to speed on the latest hardware. I generally behind on mobile 
devices and it’s about time for me to pick my first smartphone, so the OT Droid 
3 conversation has been a  great read. From: Maglinger, Paul 
[mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Age Discrimination in IT I don’t know if it’s a question of age or 
if some older SEs just don’t keep up with the changes.  I’ve been in IT for 
almost 20 years (wow, that sounds like a long time) and the company I’m with is 
currently migrating to Exchange 2010, virtual machines, and upgrading our 
storage.  I’m involved with all three projects.  I don’t have the latest 
certifications, but I attend training when available, read, and ask lots of 
questions! From: Daniel Evensen [mailto:dane...@att.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT:Age Discrimination in IT Age Discrimination in IT: I have read 
several articles online that states that age Discrimination in IT is more 
prevalent than in other fields. Question, do you find this true or false? If 
you find it true how do you handle it? I am a former NT System Administrator 
that was semi-retired and that wants to return to the IT field after a 10 year 
absence. Financially, I do not need to work but want to. I feel that the fact 
my health at 52 is excellent, am at the right weight etc, will be a plus in my 
favor.  Daniel EvensenFormer NT System AdministratorEDSBelltech.logix~ Finally, 
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Re: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-21 Thread Steven Peck
Once you know how to research being on the cutting edge of specific hardware
in't so important.  Being able to pay general attention to trends and
research when needed is.

In regards to phones, I have the Windows Phone and I have to say having used
the Mango release (any day now) you might want to see if that will fit your
smart phone needs.  Note, most sales people at the store will talk it down
no matter what.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:18 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:

 I think it’s more of a function of the SE than age-related. Also, sometimes
 technology moves in a way that causes some to lose interest.

 ** **

 Sometimes interest changes too, when I was younger I was all over the
 various chipsets, CPU’s, etc (lol, like 386SX or DX!), and over time I’ve
 become far less “latest hardware” aware than “latest ability to do something
 new”. The only time I do much on the hardware side is when I need to make a
 recommendation, I spend a day or two getting up to speed on the latest
 hardware.

 ** **

 I generally behind on mobile devices and it’s about time for me to pick my
 first smartphone, so the OT Droid 3 conversation has been a  great read.**
 **

 ** **

 *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:29 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Age Discrimination in IT

 ** **

 I don’t know if it’s a question of age or if some older SEs just don’t keep
 up with the changes.  I’ve been in IT for almost 20 years (wow, that sounds
 like a long time) and the company I’m with is currently migrating to
 Exchange 2010, virtual machines, and upgrading our storage.  I’m involved
 with all three projects.  I don’t have the latest certifications, but I
 attend training when available, read, and ask lots of questions!

 ** **

 *From:* Daniel Evensen [mailto:dane...@att.net]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 AM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* OT:Age Discrimination in IT

 ** **

 Age Discrimination in IT: I have read several articles online that states
 that age Discrimination in IT is more prevalent than in other fields.
 Question, do you find this true or false? If you find it true how do you
 handle it? 

 I am a former NT System Administrator that was semi-retired and that wants
 to return to the IT field after a 10 year absence. Financially, I do not
 need to work but want to. I feel that the fact my health at 52 is excellent,
 am at the right weight etc, will be a plus in my favor. 

  

 Daniel Evensen

 Former NT System Administrator

 EDS

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Re: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-21 Thread Jonathan Link
Around here the sales people are extremely agressive in pushing WinMo
phones.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 Once you know how to research being on the cutting edge of specific
 hardware in't so important.  Being able to pay general attention to trends
 and research when needed is.

 In regards to phones, I have the Windows Phone and I have to say having
 used the Mango release (any day now) you might want to see if that will fit
 your smart phone needs.  Note, most sales people at the store will talk it
 down no matter what.

 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:18 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:

 I think it’s more of a function of the SE than age-related. Also,
 sometimes technology moves in a way that causes some to lose interest.***
 *

 ** **

 Sometimes interest changes too, when I was younger I was all over the
 various chipsets, CPU’s, etc (lol, like 386SX or DX!), and over time I’ve
 become far less “latest hardware” aware than “latest ability to do something
 new”. The only time I do much on the hardware side is when I need to make a
 recommendation, I spend a day or two getting up to speed on the latest
 hardware.

 ** **

 I generally behind on mobile devices and it’s about time for me to pick my
 first smartphone, so the OT Droid 3 conversation has been a  great read.*
 ***

 ** **

 *From:* Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:29 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Age Discrimination in IT

 ** **

 I don’t know if it’s a question of age or if some older SEs just don’t
 keep up with the changes.  I’ve been in IT for almost 20 years (wow, that
 sounds like a long time) and the company I’m with is currently migrating to
 Exchange 2010, virtual machines, and upgrading our storage.  I’m involved
 with all three projects.  I don’t have the latest certifications, but I
 attend training when available, read, and ask lots of questions!

 ** **

 *From:* Daniel Evensen [mailto:dane...@att.net]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 AM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* OT:Age Discrimination in IT

 ** **

 Age Discrimination in IT: I have read several articles online that states
 that age Discrimination in IT is more prevalent than in other fields.
 Question, do you find this true or false? If you find it true how do you
 handle it? 

 I am a former NT System Administrator that was semi-retired and that wants
 to return to the IT field after a 10 year absence. Financially, I do not
 need to work but want to. I feel that the fact my health at 52 is excellent,
 am at the right weight etc, will be a plus in my favor. 

  

 Daniel Evensen

 Former NT System Administrator

 EDS

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RE: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-21 Thread John Hornbuckle
I've had a WP 7 phone since last year, and love it. Mango will make it even 
better.

It's a vastly underrated platform. Actually, that's not true-people who have 
actually tried it seem to be pretty happy with it. Unfortunately, few regular 
(non-IT) folk have a clue about it thanks to crappy marketing on Microsoft's 
part.

But I digress.


John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Age Discrimination in IT

Around here the sales people are extremely agressive in pushing WinMo phones.
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Steven Peck 
sep...@gmail.commailto:sep...@gmail.com wrote:
Once you know how to research being on the cutting edge of specific hardware 
in't so important.  Being able to pay general attention to trends and research 
when needed is.

In regards to phones, I have the Windows Phone and I have to say having used 
the Mango release (any day now) you might want to see if that will fit your 
smart phone needs.  Note, most sales people at the store will talk it down no 
matter what.

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Re: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-21 Thread Steven Peck
Went with a friend during lunch (he is a MS employee) to the ATT store to
get some cases for our phones. The sales guy was harping on the iPhone and
he was talking smack on Windows in general (vulnerable, etc)[it was a fun
conversation for all involved]. I shot back with patching helps and get MSE
for AV and he goes MS won't let me update cause of my hacked copy of
Windows. I then asked my friend, Hey, don't you get an employee discount?
and he said Yes, that would be Microsoft.
The look on that poor guys face was priceless. I asked him how it felt to be
back in high school.  His reply was that he was having flashbacks.  I think
we ruined his day.

Mango does make it better :)

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:28 PM, John Hornbuckle 
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote:

 I’ve had a WP 7 phone since last year, and love it. Mango will make it even
 better.

 ** **

 It’s a vastly underrated platform. Actually, that’s not true—people who
 have actually tried it seem to be pretty happy with it. Unfortunately, few
 regular (non-IT) folk have a clue about it thanks to crappy marketing on
 Microsoft’s part.

 ** **

 But I digress.

 ** **

 ** **

 John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP

 MIS Department

 Taylor County School District

 www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:21 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Age Discrimination in IT

 ** **

 Around here the sales people are extremely agressive in pushing WinMo
 phones.

 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Steven Peck sep...@gmail.com wrote:

 Once you know how to research being on the cutting edge of specific
 hardware in't so important.  Being able to pay general attention to trends
 and research when needed is.

  

 In regards to phones, I have the Windows Phone and I have to say having
 used the Mango release (any day now) you might want to see if that will fit
 your smart phone needs.  Note, most sales people at the store will talk it
 down no matter what.

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Re: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-21 Thread Andrew S. Baker
It's not just that it's noise...

The initial changes between CPUs was a lot more significant than they tend
to be today.  And the releases were less frequent.  And you didn't have 900
web site reviewers stealing them off the back of trucks in order to get you
the absolutely first exclusive review.

In many ways, the hardware is not quite the differentiator for most use
cases as the software.  At least not the CPU.   It's still run to see
changes year to year, though.  Technology is fun. :)

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

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On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:18 AM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote:
  Sometimes interest changes too, when I was younger I was all over the
  various chipsets, CPU’s, etc (lol, like 386SX or DX!), and over time I’ve
  become far less “latest hardware” aware than “latest ability to do
 something
  new”.

   I believe this is a function of experience.  After you've been in
 the industry for a while and seen a decade or two of OMG latest
 product so fast/big/cheap/small/etc crazy wow hot stuff discussions,
 you realize it's a bit like getting excited about the rain.  Cool when
 you first see it; after a while, it's just background noise.

 -- Ben



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RE: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-20 Thread Maglinger, Paul
I don't know if it's a question of age or if some older SEs just don't
keep up with the changes.  I've been in IT for almost 20 years (wow,
that sounds like a long time) and the company I'm with is currently
migrating to Exchange 2010, virtual machines, and upgrading our storage.
I'm involved with all three projects.  I don't have the latest
certifications, but I attend training when available, read, and ask lots
of questions!

 

From: Daniel Evensen [mailto:dane...@att.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT:Age Discrimination in IT

 

Age Discrimination in IT: I have read several articles online that
states that age Discrimination in IT is more prevalent than in other
fields. Question, do you find this true or false? If you find it true
how do you handle it? 

I am a former NT System Administrator that was semi-retired and that
wants to return to the IT field after a 10 year absence. Financially, I
do not need to work but want to. I feel that the fact my health at 52 is
excellent, am at the right weight etc, will be a plus in my favor. 

 

Daniel Evensen

Former NT System Administrator

EDS

Belltech.logix

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Re: Age Discrimination in IT

2011-09-20 Thread Don Kuhlman
I used to do the same - tried to read, attend training when available, and ask 
lots of questions...
 
Until they outsourced most of IT to another country.
 
Now I'm reading, trying to find free training, and still asking lots of 
questions ;)
 
Don K

From: Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: Age Discrimination in IT


 
I don’t know if it’s a
question of age or if some older SEs just don’t keep up with the changes. 
I’ve been in IT for almost 20 years (wow, that sounds like a long time)
and the company I’m with is currently migrating to Exchange 2010, virtual
machines, and upgrading our storage.  I’m involved with all three
projects.  I don’t have the latest certifications, but I attend
training when available, read, and ask lots of questions! 
  
From:Daniel Evensen
[mailto:dane...@att.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT:Age Discrimination in IT   
  
Age
Discrimination in IT: I have read several articles online that states
that age Discrimination in IT is more prevalent than in other fields.
Question, do you find this true or false? If you find it true how do you handle
it?  
I am a
former NT System Administrator that was semi-retired and that wants to return
to the IT field after a 10 year absence. Financially, I do not need to work but
want to. I feel that the fact my health at 52 is excellent, am at the right
weight etc, will be a plus in my favor.  
  
Daniel
Evensen 
Former NT
System Administrator 
EDS 
Belltech.logix  
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