RE: Blackberry question
It's really not a BB issue. Easiest way I can think would be for user A to create appointment in their own calendar and invite user B. Then they would get a msg that they would have to accept. Pick a theme for their BB that shows upcoming appointment on their desktop so they can see them coming. From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 4:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question I'm not aware of one. You can always remove the rights from UserA, or insist that UserA otherwise inform UserB of the appointment, or face flogging. Without any other info, this seems very much like a process-oriented problem. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:49 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com wrote: Outlook 2003/Exchange 2003/BES 4 Is there a way to be notified when someone else puts an appointment directly on your calendar? For example: UserA has permission to add/remove appointments in UserB's calendar. UserA creates an appoinment in UserB's calendar. UserB doesn't know an appointment has been added unless they check their calendar or until a reminder goes off for that appointment. . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Blackberry question
I'm not aware of one. You can always remove the rights from UserA, or insist that UserA otherwise inform UserB of the appointment, or face flogging. Without any other info, this seems very much like a process-oriented problem. -ASB: http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 3:49 PM, David Mazzaccaro david.mazzacc...@hudsonhhc.com wrote: Outlook 2003/Exchange 2003/BES 4 Is there a way to be notified when someone else puts an appointment directly on your calendar? For example: UserA has permission to add/remove appointments in UserB's calendar. UserA creates an appoinment in UserB's calendar. UserB doesn't know an appointment has been added unless they check their calendar or until a reminder goes off for that appointment. . ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
Professional supports up to 30 phones? It seemed lower to me, when I read the pricing information. Sean Rector, MCSE From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virginia Opera's 2008-2009 Season ... Viva la passione! IL TROVATORE - THE ELIXIR OF LOVE - TOSCA - THE BARBER OF SEVILLE Visit us online at www.vaopera.org or call 1-866-OPERA-VA (1-866-673-7282). Subscribe or purchase tickets online now! This e-mail and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). Unless otherwise specified, persons unnamed as recipients may not read, distribute, copy or alter this e-mail. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail belong to the author and may not necessarily represent those of Virginia Opera. Although precautions have been taken to ensure no viruses are present, Virginia Opera cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that may arise from the use of this e-mail or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
Up to 30 users
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_pricing
Malcolm
From: Sean Rector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 07:57
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Professional supports up to 30 phones? It seemed lower to me, when I
read the pricing information.
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are
planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS
environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on
its own box, even if it's just an old used PC.
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my
Exchange server.
From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on
email server', which I thought was interesting...
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Your execs sound like smart guys.
Here is a product comparison.
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare
Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS.
It won't support over 30 BB devices.
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Blackberry question
Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up
against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile
devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go
with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the
Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the
Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real
world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site.
Thanks,
Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 327-5276
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association
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Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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RE: Blackberry question
It comes licensed for 1 phone and can support up to 30.
From: Sean Rector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Professional supports up to 30 phones? It seemed lower to me, when I read
the pricing information.
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are
planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment
or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even
if it's just an old used PC.
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my
Exchange server.
From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email
server', which I thought was interesting...
_
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Your execs sound like smart guys.
Here is a product comparison.
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare
Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It
won't support over 30 BB devices.
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Blackberry question
Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up
against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile
devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with
Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the
Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the
Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world
experiences, vs. the sales info on the site.
Thanks,
Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 327-5276
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association
E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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RE: Blackberry question
Missed that sigh.
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Malcolm Reitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:11 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Up to 30 users
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_pricing
Malcolm
From: Sean Rector [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 07:57
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Professional supports up to 30 phones? It seemed lower to me, when I
read the pricing information.
Sean Rector, MCSE
From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are
planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS
environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on
its own box, even if it's just an old used PC.
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my
Exchange server.
From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on
email server', which I thought was interesting...
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Blackberry question
Your execs sound like smart guys.
Here is a product comparison.
http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare
Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS.
It won't support over 30 BB devices.
From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Blackberry question
Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up
against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile
devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go
with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the
Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the
Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real
world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site.
Thanks,
Joe Heaton
AISA
Employment Training Panel
1100 J Street, 4th Floor
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 327-5276
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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RE: Blackberry question
Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
3 years ago we didn't foresee more than 10 either, now we have 45. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
Well our staff is static. The only people with mobile devices are execs, and IT. Even if they add all the marketing people that would only add another 4 or 5. And if it takes 3 years to get to that point, then I'm still pretty good. My biggest concern right now is functionality between the two versions. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: N Parr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question 3 years ago we didn't foresee more than 10 either, now we have 45. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
This is a question you may want to ask that RDP tools vendor. I downloaded that RDP app yesterday. I didn't get it installed because it wants SQL and some other crap I wasn't prepared to do at the moment. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Well our staff is static. The only people with mobile devices are execs, and IT. Even if they add all the marketing people that would only add another 4 or 5. And if it takes 3 years to get to that point, then I'm still pretty good. My biggest concern right now is functionality between the two versions. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: N Parr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question 3 years ago we didn't foresee more than 10 either, now we have 45. _ From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
Same here, started with 20 then added 10 more licenses, and now I just added 10 more again! The BES and the first 20 lic's was free from Rogers on the initial roll out. I can't emphasize enough how easy it's to manage (adding /deleting) users managing their folder redirects, checking if everything is working e.t.c.. Add did I say secure, I can wipe the device remotely, when a user leaves it in the washroom at the airport in Philadelphia on a long weekend!! I had a few users try the iPhone but they quickly went back to the BB Curve. ___ Stefan Jafs From: N Parr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question 3 years ago we didn't foresee more than 10 either, now we have 45. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the Amico Corpoartion company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Blackberry question
You should go with Pro for now, even if things change down the road and you need more than 30 CALs you can do a trade-up later. The software is the same and just needs a new key to allow for more users. *Beyond 30 users* To expand your deployment beyond 30 users, you can upgrade to BlackBerry Enterprise Server by purchasing a BlackBerry(R) Enterprise Server Trade-up Key. You can purchase the upgrade key through your wireless service provider or online from the BlackBerry Storehttps://www.blackberry.com/purchaseonline/main.jsp. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well our staff is static. The only people with mobile devices are execs, and IT. Even if they add all the marketing people that would only add another 4 or 5. And if it takes 3 years to get to that point, then I'm still pretty good. My biggest concern right now is functionality between the two versions. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel *From:* N Parr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:58 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question 3 years ago we didn't foresee more than 10 either, now we have 45. -- *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:49 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel *From:* Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. *From:* Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... -- *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mike Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
We've gone from an initial 50 users to 160+ in three years' time... From: Stefan Jafs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Same here, started with 20 then added 10 more licenses, and now I just added 10 more again! The BES and the first 20 lic's was free from Rogers on the initial roll out. I can't emphasize enough how easy it's to manage (adding /deleting) users managing their folder redirects, checking if everything is working e.t.c.. Add did I say secure, I can wipe the device remotely, when a user leaves it in the washroom at the airport in Philadelphia on a long weekend!! I had a few users try the iPhone but they quickly went back to the BB Curve. ___ Stefan Jafs From: N Parr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question 3 years ago we didn't foresee more than 10 either, now we have 45. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the Amico Corporation. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
Hmm, the product I used was called Rove Mobile Desktop and it was just a stand-alone RDP client for the Blackberry handheld - no server side software was involved. I just looked at the Rove site and it has completely changed. It seems they have bundled everything in to the Mobile Admin package and won't sell the individual pieces any longer, which is not making some customers happy http://www.berryreview.com/2008/09/25/rant-whats-up-with-rove-mobile/ . Too bad. The only other RDP client I know of is the TSMobiles one available at www.rdmplus.com. I'm looking at the eval version right now and it looks pretty decent. The price is about $45. Malcolm From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2008 10:13 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This is a question you may want to ask that RDP tools vendor. I downloaded that RDP app yesterday. I didn't get it installed because it wants SQL and some other crap I wasn't prepared to do at the moment. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Well our staff is static. The only people with mobile devices are execs, and IT. Even if they add all the marketing people that would only add another 4 or 5. And if it takes 3 years to get to that point, then I'm still pretty good. My biggest concern right now is functionality between the two versions. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: N Parr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question 3 years ago we didn't foresee more than 10 either, now we have 45. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use
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Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
Nice triple post Blackstone :P tell me how you really feel... Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
Try 6x post! From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Nice triple post Blackstone :P tell me how you really feel... Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
Thank you Gmail! From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Nice triple post Blackstone :P tell me how you really feel. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: Blackberry question
I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Was it just me or did anyone else get this 6 times? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Painfully sent to you from my Blackberry From: Martin Blackstone To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Wed Oct 29 14:48:53 2008 Subject: RE: Blackberry question I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2� LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don’t have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I’m not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn’t be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I’d rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can’t foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it’s just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I’ve noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It’s like BES SBS. It won’t support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I’m being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we’re using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I’d prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I’m looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil
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7 Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question Was it just me or did anyone else get this 6 times? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Painfully sent to you from my Blackberry ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Blackberry question
LOL... Did you submit this repeater from the web site or via SMTP ? -- ME2 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gmail! From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Nice triple post Blackstone :P tell me how you really feel… Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I think Lyris may be barfing. At first I thought it was Gmail, but I didn’t think so. From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question Was it just me or did anyone else get this 6 times? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Painfully sent to you from my Blackberry _ From: Martin Blackstone To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Wed Oct 29 14:48:53 2008 Subject: RE: Blackberry question I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2…#157; LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don’t have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I’m not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn’t be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I’d rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can’t foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it’s just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I’ve noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It’s like BES SBS. It won’t support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I’m being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we’re using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I’d prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I’m looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without
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I stopped counting. From: Bob Fronk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:10 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question 7 Bob Fronk [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: John Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question Was it just me or did anyone else get this 6 times? John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Painfully sent to you from my Blackberry ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: Blackberry question
LOL... Did you submit this repeater from the web site or via SMTP ? -- ME2 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gmail! From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Nice triple post Blackstone :P tell me how you really feel… Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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SMTP. Outlook 2007 via Gmail. Or is it Gmail via SMTP. -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question LOL... Did you submit this repeater from the web site or via SMTP ? -- ME2 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Martin Blackstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Gmail! From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Nice triple post Blackstone :P tell me how you really feel. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I always have a problem with PPC RDP clients. I mean how do you manage a server from a 2 LCD? It takes 5 minutes to pan down to the start button and then you have to pan all over the place to do anything. Crazy!! From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:35 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Sorry for the confusion. I was thinking of an even smaller version they don't have any more (I think they called it Executive or something, that was free, stripped the MDS Integration and was specific to SBS only). I'm not familiar with RDP clients. None of my customers have that need from their phone. Professional would be fine for your needs especially if you install it on a machine separate from your exchange. That way upgrading to Enterprise when the time comes is just a matter of changing the registration key. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:49 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Jim, Are you saying that the connection between BB device and the server is different through Professional than it is with the Enterprise? Specifically, one of my questions was whether there was an RDP client for BB, and Malcom answered that there was, and there was no need for VPN because of the MDS connection. So are you saying that I wouldn't be able to RDP if I use the Professional? We do not run SBS here, and never will. But I'd rather not spend for the Enterprise if I can do the same stuff with Professional. Right now we have maybe 10 WM users, and if we went to BB, they would be moved over to BB. I can't foresee ever needing more than 30 licenses. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Jim Majorowicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:52 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
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Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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No issues with .docs or .pdf's From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. . BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) . Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) . Voice note recording (H) . Video recording on Curve models (H) . Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) . Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) . Native format attachment downloading (S) . HTML e-mails (S) . Over-the-air device upgrades (S) . Free/busy calendar lookup (S) . Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear
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I'm running the Bold on 4.6 and it even allows you to edit Word and Excel files, pdf works great Sent from BlackBerry Bold From: Steve Moffat To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Tue Oct 28 17:19:01 2008 Subject: RE: Blackberry question No issues with .docs or .pdf's From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I’m not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I’m not saying it’s impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it’s not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU’s / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That’s because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don’t have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn’t too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I’m looking at all my users and their PIN’s. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It’s like BES SBS. It won’t support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I’m being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we’re using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I’d prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I’m looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views
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Hmm, looking like the arguments for not going BB aren't really valid arguments anymore. Our carrier is Verizon, and they offer the Pearl, Curve, the 8703e and the 8830 World Edition. Any recommendations as to model? Looking at the specs on Verizon's website, I'm only seeing the version of the desktop software. Is that the same as what will be on the phone? If so, the 8830 has 4.2, and the Curve has 4.3. Should I hold out to see if they can deliver 4.5? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. * BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) * Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) * Voice note recording (H) * Video recording on Curve models (H) * Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) * Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) * Native format attachment downloading (S) * HTML e-mails (S) * Over-the-air device upgrades (S) * Free/busy calendar lookup (S) * Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare
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OK, a couple of things. The 8703 is ancient. The 8830 is not too new either, but its dual band for your folks that go overseas. They can add a GSM SIM to it and use it that way. CDMA isn't to prevalent anywhere but in the US. The Curve is the newest model to go to Verizon. Typically CDMA carriers get models about 1 year after GSM. The newest BB handheld coming to Verizon is the storm which is the all touch screen model. You can typically find BB OS updates for the Verizon BB's here: http://vzw.smithmicro.com/blackberry/ So for your users I would go with the Curve for folks who want a full QWERTY keyboard. Pearl (AKA Lady Blackberry) is an option as well for folks who don't care about typing. The Storm is getting rave reviews as well. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Hmm, looking like the arguments for not going BB aren't really valid arguments anymore. Our carrier is Verizon, and they offer the Pearl, Curve, the 8703e and the 8830 World Edition. Any recommendations as to model? Looking at the specs on Verizon's website, I'm only seeing the version of the desktop software. Is that the same as what will be on the phone? If so, the 8830 has 4.2, and the Curve has 4.3. Should I hold out to see if they can deliver 4.5? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. . BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) . Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) . Voice note recording (H) . Video recording on Curve models (H) . Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) . Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) . Native format attachment downloading (S) . HTML e-mails (S) . Over-the-air device upgrades (S) . Free/busy calendar lookup (S) . Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS
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Oh yea, here is what I call the motherload link. http://www.dynoplex.com/rimos.shtml Links to all the carriers and their respective BB OS updates. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question OK, a couple of things. The 8703 is ancient. The 8830 is not too new either, but its dual band for your folks that go overseas. They can add a GSM SIM to it and use it that way. CDMA isn't to prevalent anywhere but in the US. The Curve is the newest model to go to Verizon. Typically CDMA carriers get models about 1 year after GSM. The newest BB handheld coming to Verizon is the storm which is the all touch screen model. You can typically find BB OS updates for the Verizon BB's here: http://vzw.smithmicro.com/blackberry/ So for your users I would go with the Curve for folks who want a full QWERTY keyboard. Pearl (AKA Lady Blackberry) is an option as well for folks who don't care about typing. The Storm is getting rave reviews as well. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:31 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Hmm, looking like the arguments for not going BB aren't really valid arguments anymore. Our carrier is Verizon, and they offer the Pearl, Curve, the 8703e and the 8830 World Edition. Any recommendations as to model? Looking at the specs on Verizon's website, I'm only seeing the version of the desktop software. Is that the same as what will be on the phone? If so, the 8830 has 4.2, and the Curve has 4.3. Should I hold out to see if they can deliver 4.5? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. . BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) . Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) . Voice note recording (H) . Video recording on Curve models (H) . Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) . Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) . Native format attachment downloading (S) . HTML e-mails (S) . Over-the-air device upgrades (S) . Free/busy calendar lookup (S) . Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly
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I personally don't like the pearl. Something about a roller ball on a handheld just doesn't work for me. I have an 8703 and it works beautifully. Yes, I have a wheel, but it makes sense. Handheld software can be downloaded from: http://vzw.smithmicro.com/blackberry/download.aspx?ct=corporate On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, looking like the arguments for not going BB aren't really valid arguments anymore. Our carrier is Verizon, and they offer the Pearl, Curve, the 8703e and the 8830 World Edition. Any recommendations as to model? Looking at the specs on Verizon's website, I'm only seeing the version of the desktop software. Is that the same as what will be on the phone? If so, the 8830 has 4.2, and the Curve has 4.3. Should I hold out to see if they can deliver 4.5? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. • BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) • Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) • Voice note recording (H) • Video recording on Curve models (H) • Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) • Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) • Native format attachment downloading (S) • HTML e-mails (S) • Over-the-air device upgrades (S) • Free/busy calendar lookup (S) • Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel *From:* Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. *From:* Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer
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I agree. I don't like manipulating balls either. -- ME2 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Eric Woodford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally don't like the pearl. Something about a roller ball on a handheld just doesn't work for me. I have an 8703 and it works beautifully. Yes, I have a wheel, but it makes sense. Handheld software can be downloaded from: http://vzw.smithmicro.com/blackberry/download.aspx?ct=corporate On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, looking like the arguments for not going BB aren't really valid arguments anymore. Our carrier is Verizon, and they offer the Pearl, Curve, the 8703e and the 8830 World Edition. Any recommendations as to model? Looking at the specs on Verizon's website, I'm only seeing the version of the desktop software. Is that the same as what will be on the phone? If so, the 8830 has 4.2, and the Curve has 4.3. Should I hold out to see if they can deliver 4.5? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. • BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) • Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) • Voice note recording (H) • Video recording on Curve models (H) • Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) • Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) • Native format attachment downloading (S) • HTML e-mails (S) • Over-the-air device upgrades (S) • Free/busy calendar lookup (S) • Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51
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Martin, Can you do stuff like RDP, and VPN with a BB? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. * BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) * Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) * Voice note recording (H) * Video recording on Curve models (H) * Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) * Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) * Native format attachment downloading (S) * HTML e-mails (S) * Over-the-air device upgrades (S) * Free/busy calendar lookup (S) * Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile
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I've never seen it. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Can you do stuff like RDP, and VPN with a BB? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. . BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) . Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) . Voice note recording (H) . Video recording on Curve models (H) . Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) . Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) . Native format attachment downloading (S) . HTML e-mails (S) . Over-the-air device upgrades (S) . Free/busy calendar lookup (S) . Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons. Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject
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I felt that way as well until I got a Curve. The ball rocks. From: Eric Woodford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:37 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Blackberry question I personally don't like the pearl. Something about a roller ball on a handheld just doesn't work for me. I have an 8703 and it works beautifully. Yes, I have a wheel, but it makes sense. Handheld software can be downloaded from: http://vzw.smithmicro.com/blackberry/download.aspx?ct=corporate On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Joe Heaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, looking like the arguments for not going BB aren't really valid arguments anymore. Our carrier is Verizon, and they offer the Pearl, Curve, the 8703e and the 8830 World Edition. Any recommendations as to model? Looking at the specs on Verizon's website, I'm only seeing the version of the desktop software. Is that the same as what will be on the phone? If so, the 8830 has 4.2, and the Curve has 4.3. Should I hold out to see if they can deliver 4.5? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. . BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) . Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) . Voice note recording (H) . Video recording on Curve models (H) . Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) . Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) . Native format attachment downloading (S) . HTML e-mails (S) . Over-the-air device upgrades (S) . Free/busy calendar lookup (S) . Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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If you are running BES, you don't need to VPN because you are essentially on your corporate network through the BES MDS Connection Service. There are a few RDP clients out there. I've used the one from Rove Mobile (their Mobile Admin product) and it works extremely well. Our users like the Curve best. Some prefer the smaller size of the Pearl, but many prefer the full qwerty keyboard on the Curve. Malcolm From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 17:38 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've never seen it. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Can you do stuff like RDP, and VPN with a BB? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it's no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I'm running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I've been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. * BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) * Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) * Voice note recording (H) * Video recording on Curve models (H) * Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) * Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) * Native format attachment downloading (S) * HTML e-mails (S) * Over-the-air device upgrades (S) * Free/busy calendar lookup (S) * Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I'm not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I'm not saying it's impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it's not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU's / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That's because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don't have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn't too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I'm looking at all my users and their PIN's. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 1:51 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Sounds like you prefer Blackberry to WM. Can you give me some reasons for this? Not asking for flames, but real, honest reasons
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+1 on the Rove product John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Painfully sent to you from my Blackberry From: Malcolm Reitz To: NT System Admin Issues Sent: Tue Oct 28 19:02:16 2008 Subject: RE: Blackberry question If you are running BES, you don’t need to VPN because you are essentially on your corporate network through the BES MDS Connection Service. There are a few RDP clients out there. I’ve used the one from Rove Mobile (their Mobile Admin product) and it works extremely well. Our users like the Curve best. Some prefer the smaller size of the Pearl, but many prefer the full qwerty keyboard on the Curve. Malcolm From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 28 October, 2008 17:38 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I’ve never seen it. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Martin, Can you do stuff like RDP, and VPN with a BB? Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:25 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Yea, it’s no problem. Even Office 2007 attachments work for me. Granted I’m running the 4.5 BB OS which is out for some carriers and in beta for others. I’ve been running it forever and it rocks. Between that and the latest BES version, they have made up for a lot of those functions that were lacking from BB but already in WM. 4.5 features. • BlackBerry Maps with Points of Interest (H) • Improved media player with playlist support and automatic playlist generation (H) • Voice note recording (H) • Video recording on Curve models (H) • Streaming support for YouTube and Sling Player (H) • Microsoft Office document editing with DocumentsToGo (H) • Native format attachment downloading (S) • HTML e-mails (S) • Over-the-air device upgrades (S) • Free/busy calendar lookup (S) • Searching the server for old e-mail messages (S) From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:14 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Is there ever an issue with e-mail attachments? For instance, someone sends you a word document. Can you open that on your BB? My understanding was that there was no native support for Office docs. How about PDFs? Again, I’m not trying to flame here, just trying to get a better understanding of what the real truth is. Thanks, Joe Heaton Employment Training Panel From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question This was something I posted on another list and I admit I may be off base on some of it. The device: Frequent OS updates. RIM makes OS updates available and free. Whereas with WM, you are pretty much stuck with the version that came on your phone. I’m not saying it’s impossible to get updated WM versions, just that it’s not a given like it is on BB. While my WM5 users are still on WM5, my BB users have gone from 3.x to 4.x, and 4.5 coming soon. Each of those offers a slew of new or upgraded features. To me that has to be one of the best parts of the whole system. Sure some WM users get upgrades, but you are at the mercy of the provider and not all of them are so generous. Battery life rocks. I can go days and days and days without a recharge. Sure, some WM devices do that too, but not all. Since RIM not only builds the OS, but the phones, there are no issues with underpowered CPU’s / hardware. Some WM devices are just damn slow. That’s because the OS and device are not designed together. BES: I don’t have to upgrade my whole Exchange environment to get new server side features. Just my BES server which takes about 30 minutes and is free as long as I have a valid support contract which isn’t too expensive at all. Centrally managed. I can view all users, all user statistics, etc in one screen. Right now I’m looking at all my users and their PIN’s. Plus their status, last contact date and time, sent / received messages and the times, filtered messages, pending one. I can create filters for my users on the fly if need be. I can set policies and deploy software. In the next version of BES I will be able to do OTA OS upgrades of devices. I can enable / disable PIM sync data from the server side at a fairly granular level if I wished. I can see what the users device is and all the specs on the device. Model, OS version, hardware, software, applications. For example from the BES server, I can see that I have Gmail, Google Maps, Jewel Rumble, and Live Search installed on my BB. Nobody can connect a device to my BES without getting an account setup by me. No rogue phones, etc. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008
RE: Blackberry question
I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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BES can be virtualised, but I have BPS installed on several SBS servers (including my own) without any issues. Just an FYI...FWIW... Regards, Amer Karim From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-28-08 10:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
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Professional is designed specifically for the SBS market. If you are planning on ever deploying more than 30 phones or not in an SBS environment or want MDS, you should always just go with Enterprise on its own box, even if it's just an old used PC. From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I've noticed that as well. I would never ever install BES directly on my Exchange server. From: Richards, Brian D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 2:09 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question I note from that side-by-side that Professional is 'sized to run on email server', which I thought was interesting... _ From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:44 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Blackberry question Your execs sound like smart guys. Here is a product comparison. http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/professional/#tab_tab_compare Professional is essentially for smaller deployments. It's like BES SBS. It won't support over 30 BB devices. From: Joe Heaton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 12:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Blackberry question Can anyone tell me how the Blackberry Professional Software stacks up against BES? I'm being asked to give a comparison between the WinMobile devices we're using, and Blackberry devices. If the execs decide to go with Blackberry against my recommendations, I'd prefer to go with the Professional software, if it will meet our needs. I'm looking at the Blackberry website currently, but would like to hear personal, real world experiences, vs. the sales info on the site. Thanks, Joe Heaton AISA Employment Training Panel 1100 J Street, 4th Floor Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 327-5276 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
