RE: CAL Licensing Question!
IANAL/B/S (lawyer/barrister/soliciter) - and as far as I know, no one else here is either. I can make some guesses on how I would pursue this, but there is more information required than you state in your email. http://microsoft.com/licensing - you'll find telephone numbers for your locality, you do not have to identify yourself, and even better - you can document the call and use it to verify your licensing decision for the future! From: Brian Clark [brianclark2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:07 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL Licensing Question! Hi Guys, Hope you can shed some light on this for me, here is the scenario; Domain A: 1 x Domain Controller access by 50 computers (Current CAL licensing 50 Per Server concurrent connection basis) New domain B to be added, and trust set up between the two domains. Domain B: 1 X Domain controller accessed by 10 Computers around 15 people from Domain A will be accessing a small SQL 2005 express database on the DC for domain B as well as the users/devices on Domain A. What would be the best way to set up the CAL's for domain B and how many would we need?? Would the CAL setup need to be changed on Domain A? If you need further info let me know! Many thanks Brian ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: CAL Licensing Question!
Cheers for that Micheal, MS said that putting in 10 Device CALS for the computers in Domain B would be enough. Domain A computers/Users accessing Domain B would not need additional CAL's as they are accessing SQL Express! Cheers Brian 2009/7/9 Michael B. Smith mich...@owa.smithcons.com IANAL/B/S (lawyer/barrister/soliciter) - and as far as I know, no one else here is either. I can make some guesses on how I would pursue this, but there is more information required than you state in your email. http://microsoft.com/licensing - you'll find telephone numbers for your locality, you do not have to identify yourself, and even better - you can document the call and use it to verify your licensing decision for the future! -- *From:* Brian Clark [brianclark2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:07 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* CAL Licensing Question! Hi Guys, Hope you can shed some light on this for me, here is the scenario; Domain A: 1 x Domain Controller access by 50 computers (Current CAL licensing 50 Per Server concurrent connection basis) New domain B to be added, and trust set up between the two domains. Domain B: 1 X Domain controller accessed by 10 Computers around 15 people from Domain A will be accessing a small SQL 2005 express database on the DC for domain B as well as the users/devices on Domain A. What would be the best way to set up the CAL's for domain B and how many would we need?? Would the CAL setup need to be changed on Domain A? If you need further info let me know! Many thanks Brian -- Brian Clark ICT Network Services Ltd br...@ictnetworkservices.co.uk Tel: 01892 800104 Fax: 01892 800105 Mobile: 07736050043 The information in this e-mail and any file transmitted with it is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, any disclosure, copying, retention, modification or distribution by you is prohibited and may be unlawful: please accept our apologies, delete it immediately and notify the originator. Any views or opinions expressed may be those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ICT Network Services Ltd. Although this email has been checked for viruses, ICT Network Services Ltd cannot accept liability for any resulting loss or damage. ICT Network Services Ltd. Registered Company Number: 5810121.VAT Number: 901 2432 77 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL Licensing Question!
The best way to do this is to setup your Terminal Server Cals as Enterprise instead of Domain and make them per user instead of per device. That way your Terminal Server license server can serve both Domains. If your TS Cals are not setup this way you have them reissued from The Microsoft Clearinghouse. Mike _ From: Brian Clark [mailto:brianclark2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 6:08 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: CAL Licensing Question! Hi Guys, Hope you can shed some light on this for me, here is the scenario; Domain A: 1 x Domain Controller access by 50 computers (Current CAL licensing 50 Per Server concurrent connection basis) New domain B to be added, and trust set up between the two domains. Domain B: 1 X Domain controller accessed by 10 Computers around 15 people from Domain A will be accessing a small SQL 2005 express database on the DC for domain B as well as the users/devices on Domain A. What would be the best way to set up the CAL's for domain B and how many would we need?? Would the CAL setup need to be changed on Domain A? If you need further info let me know! Many thanks Brian -- Brian Clark ICT Network Services Ltd br...@ictnetworkservices.co.uk Tel: 01892 800104 Fax: 01892 800105 Mobile: 07736050043 The information in this e-mail and any file transmitted with it is confidential, may be legally privileged and is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended addressee, any disclosure, copying, retention, modification or distribution by you is prohibited and may be unlawful: please accept our apologies, delete it immediately and notify the originator. Any views or opinions expressed may be those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ICT Network Services Ltd. Although this email has been checked for viruses, ICT Network Services Ltd cannot accept liability for any resulting loss or damage. ICT Network Services Ltd. Registered Company Number: 5810121.VAT Number: 901 2432 77 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: CAL Licensing Question!
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Mike Semonmse...@ont.com wrote: The best way to do this is to setup your Terminal Server Cals ... When did he mention Terminal Server? -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
Re: CAL Licensing Question!
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Brian Clarkbrianclark2...@googlemail.com wrote: MS said that putting in 10 Device CALS for the computers in Domain B would be enough. Domain A computers/Users accessing Domain B would not need additional CAL's as they are accessing SQL Express! I'm a little surprised at that. Microsoft generally takes the hard line that any access, direct or indirect, via authenticated (NTLM or Kerb ticket) connection, requires a CAL. But then, I've also found the answers vary depending on what random rep answers the phone. And this is for their own licensing. *hurumph* In general, unless you have more than 60 clients, I would suggest just converting all the CALs to per-client and assigning them that way. A CAL assigned to a client is good for that client to access to any server. A CAL assigned to a server is good for only that server. The only benefit to that is you can oversubscribe the server's licenses, i.e., if you have 80 clients but no more than 50 will connect at one time. But unless you worried about a licensing audit, I'd stick with Microsoft's verbal answer. It's cheaper. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
RE: CAL Licensing Question!
That is PRECISELY why I recommended he called Microsoft Licensing and document the call. As long as Microsoft has given you a documentable answer, you are freed from penalties. That doesn't mean if they change their mind you don't have to true up, but you've given a reasonable effort to find an appropriate answer and gotten a specific resolution from the vendor via an authorized representative. In most countries - that is sufficient CYA. From: Ben Scott [mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: CAL Licensing Question! On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Brian Clarkbrianclark2...@googlemail.com wrote: MS said that putting in 10 Device CALS for the computers in Domain B would be enough. Domain A computers/Users accessing Domain B would not need additional CAL's as they are accessing SQL Express! I'm a little surprised at that. Microsoft generally takes the hard line that any access, direct or indirect, via authenticated (NTLM or Kerb ticket) connection, requires a CAL. But then, I've also found the answers vary depending on what random rep answers the phone. And this is for their own licensing. *hurumph* In general, unless you have more than 60 clients, I would suggest just converting all the CALs to per-client and assigning them that way. A CAL assigned to a client is good for that client to access to any server. A CAL assigned to a server is good for only that server. The only benefit to that is you can oversubscribe the server's licenses, i.e., if you have 80 clients but no more than 50 will connect at one time. But unless you worried about a licensing audit, I'd stick with Microsoft's verbal answer. It's cheaper. :) -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~
