Re: Color me skeptical
* I'm really interested to see if this is the paradigm shift that Google thinks it's going to be.* Has Google actually been right about *any* paradigm shifts? (Ponders Buzz and GoogleWave...) Yes, I know... Old thread. *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: I'm really interested to see if this is the paradigm shift that Google thinks it's going to be. I think if they can really work out the issues, it will be. But I'm not convinced they can at this point. Specifically voice recognition issues. With this device, the voice recognition has to be pretty close to 100% 24x7, or it won't catch on. They way I see this working in real life, is that it's going to be tethered do your phone all the time. Meaning you will still have your phone with you, so it won't replace that device. I see it as more of an accessory to your phone. But if you are constantly shifting back and forth between the 2 then it's going to be a hard sell. *Christopher Bodnar* Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com * The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America* * **www.guardianlife.com* http://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:02/26/2013 08:55 PM Subject:Color me skeptical -- http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/22/4013406/i-used-google-glass-its-the-future-with-monthly-updates On several levels, including: o- Too many areas without network capability - where I live, anyway. o- Voice interaction. Really? No thanks. o- Privacy. Do I really want Google to know that much about me? They already know too much. Don't get me wrong - this is amazing technology. But, I don't have to say yes to everything that comes along Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage/jpeg
Re: Color me skeptical
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm really interested to see if this is the paradigm shift that Google thinks it's going to be. Has Google actually been right about *any* paradigm shifts? (Ponders Buzz and GoogleWave...) They hit paydirt with search, don't sort and sell user data/advertising to others, not services to users. And they definitely revolutionized web search -- before Google, it was all about making the query as smart as possible. Google made the index smarter. But good point. They've had some notable strike outs, too. They seem to do better with general strategies than specific products. But then, they missed the boat on social media, too. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Color me skeptical
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: They hit paydirt with search, don't sort and sell user data/advertising to others, not services to users. But that wasn't a paradigm shift Seems like it is mostly a discussion about what constitutes a paradigm shift, then, because I generally agree with the rest of your analysis. :-) Some of it's quite apt -- especially the bit about big companies floundering once their core competency market is saturated and they're forced to branch out. A couple small additions: Microsoft's advantage was actually APIs upon which rich ecosystems could be built by 3rd parties and enterprises. ... they lost their dominance in mobile by not understanding what their strengths really were Microsoft's big mistake in the mobile market was making something that wasn't compatible with their existing stuff. So when Apple came along with a more compelling product, there was no reason not to jump ship. It wasn't so much that the API wasn't good enough (although maybe that was a problem, too) but that it was *different*. The same will happen with Win 8, I suspect. They think that putting Windows Apps on desktop and mobile will mean tons of adoption of the new Windows Apps platform. I suspect it will actually mean a white elephant on the desktop. I don't think they have any other choice, though. Google is a search company that sells data derived, in part, from search. All these other forays into different technologies are just distracting them. Largely agree, but they've had some success with GMail and GApps. Of course, even there, a big part of GMail's success was the search function. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Color me skeptical
I'm what you would call a Google convert. I use google products, and tend to prefer them over others. Gmail, Android, Chrome, Google D[ocs|rive] Google Voice, G+, all have been successes for me. I get where they are going: They cannot win the desktop wars, so they are gunning to win the web. Some (or maybe most) people don't like the idea that Google can look at my docs, images, email, search history, etc. I understand this fear, but I am unsure how valid it is. I tend to believe that if somebody wanted to find something out about me, they probably could, even though I keep a relatively low profile on the internet. Without this information that they gather, they cannot offer the excellent products they provide for free, or with limited advertisements. I'm okay with that, because I (oddly) expect that all of the big tech companies do this. Even Microsoft, with their Scroogled campaign, likely uses data from Outlook.com or Bing to their advantage. Also, they are beginning to harness this information in useful ways, such as what they are doing with Google Now. The paradigm shift is the move to the web, where your browser is your operating system, and the cloud is your datastore. It's not for those with secrets, but I don't have any so it works for me. It's not like everything Google touches is golden. The Google Pixel is a high-end laptop for a low-end OS. And the Glass is defiantly what I would call beta hardware. Of course, you have all of the other Google flops as well. --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:26:52 -0800 Subject: Re: Color me skeptical On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: They hit paydirt with search, don't sort and sell user data/advertising to others, not services to users. But that wasn't a paradigm shift Seems like it is mostly a discussion about what constitutes a paradigm shift, then, because I generally agree with the rest of your analysis. :-) Some of it's quite apt -- especially the bit about big companies floundering once their core competency market is saturated and they're forced to branch out. A couple small additions: Microsoft's advantage was actually APIs upon which rich ecosystems could be built by 3rd parties and enterprises. ... they lost their dominance in mobile by not understanding what their strengths really were Microsoft's big mistake in the mobile market was making something that wasn't compatible with their existing stuff. So when Apple came along with a more compelling product, there was no reason not to jump ship. It wasn't so much that the API wasn't good enough (although maybe that was a problem, too) but that it was *different*. The same will happen with Win 8, I suspect. They think that putting Windows Apps on desktop and mobile will mean tons of adoption of the new Windows Apps platform. I suspect it will actually mean a white elephant on the desktop. I don't think they have any other choice, though. Google is a search company that sells data derived, in part, from search. All these other forays into different technologies are just distracting them. Largely agree, but they've had some success with GMail and GApps. Of course, even there, a big part of GMail's success was the search function. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Color me skeptical
I'd argue that Google's way of searching was/is sufficiently different to the competition (Alta Vista anyone) to be considered some kind of shift. If you're going to say that Google didn't revolutionise search because they didn't invent it, then arguably there's been nothing revolutionised for hundreds of years (which I think we both agree is false). It may be just that we disagree on the degree of change required to call something a 'paradigm shift', but I'd argue that Google Search, and the concept of giving people gigabytes of free storage for Gmail were both game changers that propelled those two products from challengers to dominance. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Color me skeptical They hit paydirt with search, don't sort and sell user data/advertising to others, not services to users. But that wasn't a paradigm shift. They didn't invent search, and they didn't invent selling advertising, and they didn't invent the freemium concept or the concept where the user is the product. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Color me skeptical
*If you’re going to say that Google didn’t revolutionise search because they didn’t invent it* No, that's not what I am saying at all. They *did* revolutionize search. They did lots of cool back-end integration. They built a very, very profitable ecosystem based upon search. But they did not create a paradigm shift. Nothing shifted. We still use web mail like we did before, and we still search (largely) like we did before. GoogleWave had the potential to be a paradigm shift, and if it had worked, we'd all be communicating very differently than we do today. It could very well have killed email (and Google wouldn't have cared because it was tied into their search backend just as neatly). IMO, Google+ only exists because GoogleWave failed. (Or, at the very least, it exists in its current format because GoogleWave failed) Every escalation of technology or innovative deployment is not a paradigm shift. Amazon cloud? Yeah, paradigm shift. And they built an ecosystem around it for good measure. iPod? A much better MP3 player, but not a huge shift. iPod+iTunes? Even tighter integration and appeal, but it's not like Blackberry didn't have a market long before Apple came out with theirs. Both Apple and Microsoft have benefited from optimization and greatly improving different mousetraps at different times, but IMO, a paradigm shift needs to have the *shift*, otherwise its just optimization -- desireable, but something else entirely. The original Palm Pilot introduced a *shift*. For the first time, it was now possible to manage your calendar *and* contacts while you were on the road, and have them sync up when you got back to the office. It moved the personal assistant or digital rolodex to a whole new level and drastically changed how people worked. To me, that's what a paradigm shift is all about. Desktop PC decentralizing corporate computing is a shift. * I’d argue that Google Search, and the concept of giving people “gigabytes” of “free” storage for Gmail were both game changers that propelled those two products from challengers to dominance.* Sure, the free storage -- greatly increased over competitors at the time -- was a competitive advantage, but gmail was/is web based mail. No shift. I am not suggesting that improvements are useless unless they cause a shift, either. The fact is, we only see those kinds of major changes a few times every decade at most. I'm just suggesting that we over hype improvements to the extent that everything is seen as a home run (or needing to be a home run), when a steady progression of singles and doubles will just as happily win the game, while being more likely to obtain. *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d argue that Google’s way of searching was/is sufficiently different to the competition (Alta Vista anyone) to be considered some kind of shift. ** ** If you’re going to say that Google didn’t revolutionise search because they didn’t invent it, then arguably there’s been nothing revolutionised for hundreds of years (which I think we both agree is false). It may be just that we disagree on the degree of change required to call something a ‘paradigm shift’, but I’d argue that Google Search, and the concept of giving people “gigabytes” of “free” storage for Gmail were both game changers that propelled those two products from challengers to dominance. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:17 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Color me skeptical ** ** *** They hit paydirt with search, don't sort and sell user data/advertising to others, not services to users. * ** ** But that wasn't a paradigm shift. They didn't invent search, and they didn't invent selling advertising, and they didn't invent the freemium concept or the concept where the user is the product. ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Color me skeptical
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 10:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Color me skeptical If you're going to say that Google didn't revolutionise search because they didn't invent it But they did not create a paradigm shift. Nothing shifted. We still use web mail like we did before, and we still search (largely) like we did before. I think this is where we might disagree. You see Gmail as web based email - maybe I can characterise this viewpoint as a looking at it as a technology stack. But if we look at it from a service use-case PoV, i.e. how do people use this service? I think it definitely changed the way people (outside tech circles where people were used to almost unlimited amounts of email storage) treated email (whether web based or not) All of a sudden you didn't need to worry about quotas. You needn't need to organise things into folders to manage large amounts of mail. Email became set and forget - just read and send email (and do the occasional search). All the other things we used to do with managing mail went out the window. That's what differentiated Gmail from Outlook or Hotmail or Eudora or Pine or anything else at the time: a) No need to organise, because search is both effective and instantaneous b) No need to delete things, because storage is (effectively) limitless So, large quota web based email isn't really a paradigm shift. But I think email as a service (and Google will take care of everything behind the scenes) is (for small values of paradigm) Search might be a harder question to tackle. Arguably from a technology PoV, we still type text into a HTML form and hit submit, so we still search like we did before Google. But the way we search is different now. Alta Vista was arguably the king of the hill before Google, but to use that I had to think like Alta Vista, using arcane syntax and logical operators to get the results I was looking for. I'm not sure how to describe how I use Google, but what I need to think about before searching for something is completely different to how I had to think to use any of its predecessors. This way of interacting with a computer system to find things was completely different IMHO. Cheers Ken ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Color me skeptical
Personally I question what a paradigm shift would be considered to be. I would then look at that is being proposed as such a thing. Most of the truly accurate futurist were not associated with a company selling hardware or software. They were academics and entertainers. Look at what Rodenberry saw when he invented Star Trek (Yeah I know maybe not a good choice but he did see things in his vision that we now have maybe due to that vision) He was looking not at what was or what was possible but what he saw as the future. Like many others of his ink he was able to see true paradigm shifts even if he was not going to be a part of inventing them. In my mind Jobs is and will forever be the king of salesmanship. He convinced people that what he was selling was better, faster, more cool, than anything in the market, despite the fact that others had made it before him. He was also not above allowing others to make claims that were patently false (Apple OS/iOS can't get bugs). Later once he had his market up and running when he knew his time on that statement was running out made sure his marketing people did not make that claim but would quietly say it was possible for it to get bugs. Google would not be in business except for companies like Microsoft and Yahoo. Microsoft itself was only able to get going due to the inventor of an earlier OS not really being interested in business, well that and having family in the right place at the right time. A paradigm shift would be something everyone could benefit from or helps those in special niche markets get equal to those in the larger market. If Google glass were to be able to allow the blind to see then that to me would be a paradigm shift. Jon From: k...@adopenstatic.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Color me skeptical Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:03:33 + I’d argue that Google’s way of searching was/is sufficiently different to the competition (Alta Vista anyone) to be considered some kind of shift. If you’re going to say that Google didn’t revolutionise search because they didn’t invent it, then arguably there’s been nothing revolutionised for hundreds of years (which I think we both agree is false). It may be just that we disagree on the degree of change required to call something a ‘paradigm shift’, but I’d argue that Google Search, and the concept of giving people “gigabytes” of “free” storage for Gmail were both game changers that propelled those two products from challengers to dominance. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Color me skeptical They hit paydirt with search, don't sort and sell user data/advertising to others, not services to users. But that wasn't a paradigm shift. They didn't invent search, and they didn't invent selling advertising, and they didn't invent the freemium concept or the concept where the user is the product. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Color me skeptical
If you go back to the source, it's supposed to be a phrase used entirely for changing scientific views of our universe, but since then has become a debased phrase that can mean whatever you want it to mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift Would letting blind people see be a scientific breakthrough? A medical miracle? Or a paradigm shift? I'd call the technology that enables this one of the former two. If society's views subsequently change (e.g. on the capabilities or ability of blind people to engage with sighted society), that might be a paradigm shift. Cheers Ken From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com] Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Color me skeptical Personally I question what a paradigm shift would be considered to be. I would then look at that is being proposed as such a thing. Most of the truly accurate futurist were not associated with a company selling hardware or software. They were academics and entertainers. Look at what Rodenberry saw when he invented Star Trek (Yeah I know maybe not a good choice but he did see things in his vision that we now have maybe due to that vision) He was looking not at what was or what was possible but what he saw as the future. Like many others of his ink he was able to see true paradigm shifts even if he was not going to be a part of inventing them. In my mind Jobs is and will forever be the king of salesmanship. He convinced people that what he was selling was better, faster, more cool, than anything in the market, despite the fact that others had made it before him. He was also not above allowing others to make claims that were patently false (Apple OS/iOS can't get bugs). Later once he had his market up and running when he knew his time on that statement was running out made sure his marketing people did not make that claim but would quietly say it was possible for it to get bugs. Google would not be in business except for companies like Microsoft and Yahoo. Microsoft itself was only able to get going due to the inventor of an earlier OS not really being interested in business, well that and having family in the right place at the right time. A paradigm shift would be something everyone could benefit from or helps those in special niche markets get equal to those in the larger market. If Google glass were to be able to allow the blind to see then that to me would be a paradigm shift. Jon From: k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Color me skeptical Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:03:33 + I'd argue that Google's way of searching was/is sufficiently different to the competition (Alta Vista anyone) to be considered some kind of shift. If you're going to say that Google didn't revolutionise search because they didn't invent it, then arguably there's been nothing revolutionised for hundreds of years (which I think we both agree is false). It may be just that we disagree on the degree of change required to call something a 'paradigm shift', but I'd argue that Google Search, and the concept of giving people gigabytes of free storage for Gmail were both game changers that propelled those two products from challengers to dominance. Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Color me skeptical They hit paydirt with search, don't sort and sell user data/advertising to others, not services to users. But that wasn't a paradigm shift. They didn't invent search, and they didn't invent selling advertising, and they didn't invent the freemium concept or the concept where the user is the product. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Color me skeptical
And I would agree with you, Ken. :) *ASB **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker* **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations Information Security) for the SMB market…*** On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: If you go back to the source, it’s supposed to be a phrase used entirely for changing scientific views of our universe, but since then has become a debased phrase that can mean whatever you want it to mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift ** ** Would letting blind people see be a scientific breakthrough? A medical miracle? Or a paradigm shift? I’d call the technology that enables this one of the former two. If society’s views subsequently change (e.g. on the capabilities or ability of blind people to engage with sighted society), that might be a paradigm shift. ** ** Cheers Ken ** ** *From:* Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@live.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 April 2013 11:16 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Color me skeptical ** ** Personally I question what a paradigm shift would be considered to be. I would then look at that is being proposed as such a thing. Most of the truly accurate futurist were not associated with a company selling hardware or software. They were academics and entertainers. Look at what Rodenberry saw when he invented Star Trek (Yeah I know maybe not a good choice but he did see things in his vision that we now have maybe due to that vision) He was looking not at what was or what was possible but what he saw as the future. Like many others of his ink he was able to see true paradigm shifts even if he was not going to be a part of inventing them. In my mind Jobs is and will forever be the king of salesmanship. He convinced people that what he was selling was better, faster, more cool, than anything in the market, despite the fact that others had made it before him. He was also not above allowing others to make claims that were patently false (Apple OS/iOS can't get bugs). Later once he had his market up and running when he knew his time on that statement was running out made sure his marketing people did not make that claim but would quietly say it was possible for it to get bugs. Google would not be in business except for companies like Microsoft and Yahoo. Microsoft itself was only able to get going due to the inventor of an earlier OS not really being interested in business, well that and having family in the right place at the right time. A paradigm shift would be something everyone could benefit from or helps those in special niche markets get equal to those in the larger market. If Google glass were to be able to allow the blind to see then that to me would be a paradigm shift. Jon -- From: k...@adopenstatic.com To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Color me skeptical Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 22:03:33 + I’d argue that Google’s way of searching was/is sufficiently different to the competition (Alta Vista anyone) to be considered some kind of shift.** ** If you’re going to say that Google didn’t revolutionise search because they didn’t invent it, then arguably there’s been nothing revolutionised for hundreds of years (which I think we both agree is false). It may be just that we disagree on the degree of change required to call something a ‘paradigm shift’, but I’d argue that Google Search, and the concept of giving people “gigabytes” of “free” storage for Gmail were both game changers that propelled those two products from challengers to dominance.* *** Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 23 April 2013 3:17 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Color me skeptical *** They hit paydirt with search, don't sort and sell user data/advertising to others, not services to users. * But that wasn't a paradigm shift. They didn't invent search, and they didn't invent selling advertising, and they didn't invent the freemium concept or the concept where the user is the product. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T
RE: Color me skeptical
We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. -Original Message- From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 7:55 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Color me skeptical http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/22/4013406/i-used-google-glass-its-the-future-with-monthly-updates On several levels, including: o- Too many areas without network capability - where I live, anyway. o- Voice interaction. Really? No thanks. o- Privacy. Do I really want Google to know that much about me? They already know too much. Don't get me wrong - this is amazing technology. But, I don't have to say yes to everything that comes along Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Color me skeptical
I'm really interested to see if this is the paradigm shift that Google thinks it's going to be. I think if they can really work out the issues, it will be. But I'm not convinced they can at this point. Specifically voice recognition issues. With this device, the voice recognition has to be pretty close to 100% 24x7, or it won't catch on. They way I see this working in real life, is that it's going to be tethered do your phone all the time. Meaning you will still have your phone with you, so it won't replace that device. I see it as more of an accessory to your phone. But if you are constantly shifting back and forth between the 2 then it's going to be a hard sell. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 02/26/2013 08:55 PM Subject:Color me skeptical http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/22/4013406/i-used-google-glass-its-the-future-with-monthly-updates On several levels, including: o- Too many areas without network capability - where I live, anyway. o- Voice interaction. Really? No thanks. o- Privacy. Do I really want Google to know that much about me? They already know too much. Don't get me wrong - this is amazing technology. But, I don't have to say yes to everything that comes along Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage/jpeg
RE: Color me skeptical
Voice recognition needs to be far superior to what we have on our phones currently. And yep, it will have to fully integrate with your phone. I see it as a monitor and voice system for your phone. From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Color me skeptical I'm really interested to see if this is the paradigm shift that Google thinks it's going to be. I think if they can really work out the issues, it will be. But I'm not convinced they can at this point. Specifically voice recognition issues. With this device, the voice recognition has to be pretty close to 100% 24x7, or it won't catch on. They way I see this working in real life, is that it's going to be tethered do your phone all the time. Meaning you will still have your phone with you, so it won't replace that device. I see it as more of an accessory to your phone. But if you are constantly shifting back and forth between the 2 then it's going to be a hard sell. Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.commailto: [cid:image001.jpg@01CE14CB.B6AC8800] The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.comhttp://www.guardianlife.com/ From:Kurt Buff kurt.b...@gmail.commailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:02/26/2013 08:55 PM Subject:Color me skeptical http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/22/4013406/i-used-google-glass-its-the-future-with-monthly-updates On several levels, including: o- Too many areas without network capability - where I live, anyway. o- Voice interaction. Really? No thanks. o- Privacy. Do I really want Google to know that much about me? They already know too much. Don't get me wrong - this is amazing technology. But, I don't have to say yes to everything that comes along Kurt ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpg
Re: Color me skeptical
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Christopher Bodnar christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote: I'm really interested to see if this is the paradigm shift that Google thinks it's going to be. I think if they can really work out the issues, it will be. But I'm not convinced they can at this point. Pervasive/wearable computing is almost guaranteed to take over at some point. The real question is, as you say, can Google do it with what they have *today*? I suppose someone's got to take the first step, though. If they were selling them for $50, I'd certainly give it a shot. I'm not going to fork over a kilobuck for a first-generation product, though. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
