Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Sunbelt has a support article on their website for how to configure your
Vipre Enterprise server to remove McAfee.  IIRC, you download something from
them for that, replace the default folder with this new folder and then do
the auto deploy from VPE.

Sorry I can't be more specific than that because I can't look at a VPE
server right now to tell you the names of the folders ;)  The support
article is very detailed, so find that & you'll be in business.  I would say
that it was successful on about 99% of the workstations & servers that I did
it on. There were just a few quirky ones that wouldn't remove McAfee which I
attributed to age of the computer & SP level because it seemed to be on
older (3+ years) computers that were not up to current SP levels for the
OS.

Yeah, I'm chilling ;)  Thanks.

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Eldridge, Dave  wrote:

>  Sherry how did you configure it to remove mc? I tried a variety of ways
> and really never could consistently get it to be removed. I would end up
> with many computers with both running which created manual work. So I gave
> up on the automatic removal.
>
>
>
> Are you chilling yet?
>
> dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:07 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> As a follow up, it appears that removing McAfee depends quite a bit on
> which version you have.   Vipre hasn’t been able to remove it.   Kaspersky
> requires a couple reboots to remove it once they got the version right.
> Nod32 builds a custom rip and replace tool that they charge you for, which
> means renewals are cheaper, but it seems to work great.  Sophos  also easily
> ripped and replaced without requiring a reboot, although the final pieces
> get removed when you reboot.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:08 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> Vipre removes McAfee when correctly configured to do so.  It also has
> removal for most other AV software.
>
> And +1 on Vipre.
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>
> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>
>
>
>  On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
> wrote:
>
> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
> actually doing AV.
>
>
>
> Karl Bickmore
> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>
> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
> 480-553-9967 X100
> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>
> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or
> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact
> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sherry A

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Eldridge, Dave]

Sherry how did you configure it to remove mc? I tried a variety of ways
and really never could consistently get it to be removed. I would end up
with many computers with both running which created manual work. So I
gave up on the automatic removal.

 

Are you chilling yet?

dave

 

From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:07 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

As a follow up, it appears that removing McAfee depends quite a bit on
which version you have.   Vipre hasn't been able to remove it.
Kaspersky requires a couple reboots to remove it once they got the
version right.  Nod32 builds a custom rip and replace tool that they
charge you for, which means renewals are cheaper, but it seems to work
great.  Sophos  also easily ripped and replaced without requiring a
reboot, although the final pieces get removed when you reboot.   

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

Vipre removes McAfee when correctly configured to do so.  It also has
removal for most other AV software.  

And +1 on Vipre.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm
curious how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k
workstations? It would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to
recognize AV and remove it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking
though.





On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
wrote:

I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend
or colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our
contact information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!



-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd
love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
.dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

 

 

 




-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
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RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ray]

As a follow up, it appears that removing McAfee depends quite a bit on which
version you have.   Vipre hasn't been able to remove it.   Kaspersky
requires a couple reboots to remove it once they got the version right.
Nod32 builds a custom rip and replace tool that they charge you for, which
means renewals are cheaper, but it seems to work great.  Sophos  also easily
ripped and replaced without requiring a reboot, although the final pieces
get removed when you reboot.   

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

Vipre removes McAfee when correctly configured to do so.  It also has
removal for most other AV software.  

And +1 on Vipre.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.






On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
wrote:

I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact
information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!



-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

 

 

 




-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Michael D Faulkner]

Alex:  As I mentioned in a reply, upon rechecking the console, the file
was quarantined, not deleted.  So better and not as onerous an issue.  I
remember CA quarantining one of the Windows operating systems files on
our servers a few years back.  That was fun.  

 

Always room for improvement.  

 

Thanks.

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

You make a fair point.  I am working with R&D on getting better response
to false positive reports.  

 

We are generating over 100k signatures a day, and there are also
heuristics and behavioral detections that can create a false positive --
a lot of moving parts involved.  Generally, when something is flagged,
it's usually because the good program has attributes of the bad program.
It's not always something the support engineer has access to in terms of
why specifically something was flagged, and I will look into a cleaner
line of communication between R&D and support on this issue. 

 

Alex

 

 

 



From: Michael D Faulkner [mailto:michael.faulk...@colorado.edu] 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

.. I might add, that I have not been too happy with Sunbelt support.
About a month ago, a false positive deleted an executable on some of my
workstations.  An email request for assistance took most of a day before
I got a response, and then it was after hours on Sunbelt's side, so I
could not discuss.  I sent in some diagnostic files that day, and some I
could not due to problems with the Sunbelt FTP account until that issue
was cleared the next day.  

 

When I asked about why this had happened, I got no suitable explanation
-- just that with the new signature updates it was not.  I had thought
that Sunbelt created it's own signatures inhouse - one of its selling
points - and so could explain to me what had occurred and why.  I asked
a few times about this but never received a satisfactory answer and just
left an exception on the server for this particular app.

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a
bit confused.  

 

A few questions:

 

>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.  

 

You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with?
(Apart from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).   

 

> Neither product will start
>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.   

Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the
server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.

 

 

>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>as badly.

Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss
proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a
fairly ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten
considerably better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any
antivirus product, you're better off putting the heavy lifting on a
server or on the gateway.   

 

However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm
curious why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client
anyway?

 

 


>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>user trippled...  
> 

 

 

What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it
now better than Symantec?

 

Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?

 

 

Alex

 

 

 

 

________

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I  Replaced Symantec AV

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ray]

Definitely. McAfee may not catch our "bad stuff", but they can certainly
catch some of our good programs. 

-Original Message-
From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net]

Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I think that policy applies to all AV/spyware products.  Vipre is not the
only product to fall victim to false positives

-Original Message-
From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I think this points out the wisdom of not configuring VIPRE to delete
anything.  Let it quarantine and only delete items in the quarantine
when YOU decide to do so.

Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Michael D Faulkner
 wrote:
> .. I might add, that I have not been too happy with Sunbelt support. 
About
> a month ago, a false positive deleted an executable on some of my
> workstations.  An email request for assistance took most of a day before I
> got a response, and then it was after hours on Sunbelt's side, so I could
> not discuss.  I sent in some diagnostic files that day, and some I could
not
> due to problems with the Sunbelt FTP account until that issue was cleared
> the next day.
>
>
>
> When I asked about why this had happened, I got no suitable explanation --
> just that with the new signature updates it was not.  I had thought that
> Sunbelt created it's own signatures inhouse - one of its selling points -
> and so could explain to me what had occurred and why.  I asked a few times
> about this but never received a satisfactory answer and just left an
> exception on the server for this particular app.
>
>
>
> From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a
bit
> confused.
>
>
>
> A few questions:
>
>
>
>>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.
>
>
>
> You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with?
> (Apart from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).
>
>
>
>> Neither product will start
>>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.
>
> Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the
> server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.
>
>
>
>
>
>>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>>as badly.
>
> Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss
> proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a
fairly
> ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten considerably
> better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any antivirus product,
you're
> better off putting the heavy lifting on a server or on the gateway.
>
>
>
> However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm curious
> why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client anyway?
>
>
>
>
>
>>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>>user trippled...
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it
now
> better than Symantec?
>
>
>
> Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?
>
>
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subje

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Brian Desmond]

You may need to work via a reseller who has an existing contract to sell 
software in particular to you. Many many government operations sign no-bid type 
contracts with a handful of vendors who collectively sell pretty much anything 
you could need (e.g. a software vendor, a hardware vendor, etc). You can buy 
what you want, just have to pass it through them.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c - 312.731.3132


From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 8:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Supposedly people who are supposed to know already did that.

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Double check that "can't sign multiyear" contracts with more senior purchasing 
people at the agency.  Last State agency I worked at gave me the same thing but 
there was "work arounds" but they depended on pricing and wording of the 
contracts.

Jon
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Ray mailto:rz...@qwest.net>> 
wrote:
 Ok.  The Kaspersky quote so far has been quite excellent.  Unfortunately this 
state agency can't sign more than year to year contracts, so we lose out on 
some multi-year deals.

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:20 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Kaspersky, Trend and something else I can't recall. It was mainly price-based, 
and I'd heard vast amounts of good things about it from other admins. Compared 
to SAV, the footprint of a scan alone made us think it was fab.
On 2 April 2010 02:43, Ray mailto:rz...@qwest.net>> wrote:
Why did you recommend Vipre over which platforms?

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:41 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I recommended Vipre over all the other options when Symantec came up for 
renewal. I think I am still flavour of the month, financially and technically 
:-)
On 1 April 2010 21:58, Ray mailto:rz...@qwest.net>> wrote:
I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



--
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."











--
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question."


















~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[David Lum]

+1. I do this everywhere. Perimeter, mail, clients, non-local admins. My 
best-protected client uses Barracuda --> AV/ScanMail on Exchange --> AV on 
clients for mail, and data is OpenDNS --> perimeter firewall --> firewall on 
clients (not just XP's firewall) non-local admins.

It takes a far amount of work especially up front, but it's worth it.

David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER 
NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION
(Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 10:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Alex Eckelberry
 wrote:
> However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm curious
> why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client anyway?

  We're not running Sunbelt for either client or server (not yet,
anyway), but I can answer that one: So that if a countermeasure fails
at one level, it gets caught at the next.  It's called "defense in
depth", and it's a basic tenet of security design (and robust
engineering in general).

  Ideally, one has multiple vendors/engines/signatures in the mix, but
even if it's a single-vendor solution, you're defending against
"anti-virus on the server got screwed up and something got through
while the admins were fixing the server".

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~




~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ben Scott]

On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Alex Eckelberry
 wrote:
> However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm curious
> why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client anyway?

  We're not running Sunbelt for either client or server (not yet,
anyway), but I can answer that one: So that if a countermeasure fails
at one level, it gets caught at the next.  It's called "defense in
depth", and it's a basic tenet of security design (and robust
engineering in general).

  Ideally, one has multiple vendors/engines/signatures in the mix, but
even if it's a single-vendor solution, you're defending against
"anti-virus on the server got screwed up and something got through
while the admins were fixing the server".

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Alex Eckelberry]

You make a fair point.  I am working with R&D on getting better response to 
false positive reports.

We are generating over 100k signatures a day, and there are also heuristics and 
behavioral detections that can create a false positive -- a lot of moving parts 
involved.  Generally, when something is flagged, it's usually because the good 
program has attributes of the bad program.  It's not always something the 
support engineer has access to in terms of why specifically something was 
flagged, and I will look into a cleaner line of communication between R&D and 
support on this issue.

Alex




From: Michael D Faulkner [mailto:michael.faulk...@colorado.edu]
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

.. I might add, that I have not been too happy with Sunbelt support.  About a 
month ago, a false positive deleted an executable on some of my workstations.  
An email request for assistance took most of a day before I got a response, and 
then it was after hours on Sunbelt's side, so I could not discuss.  I sent in 
some diagnostic files that day, and some I could not due to problems with the 
Sunbelt FTP account until that issue was cleared the next day.

When I asked about why this had happened, I got no suitable explanation -- just 
that with the new signature updates it was not.  I had thought that Sunbelt 
created it's own signatures inhouse - one of its selling points - and so could 
explain to me what had occurred and why.  I asked a few times about this but 
never received a satisfactory answer and just left an exception on the server 
for this particular app.

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a bit 
confused.

A few questions:

>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.

You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with? (Apart 
from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).

> Neither product will start
>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.
Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the 
server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.


>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>as badly.
Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss 
proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a fairly 
ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten considerably 
better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any antivirus product, you're 
better off putting the heavy lifting on a server or on the gateway.

However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm curious why 
you bothered to enable the email protection on the client anyway?



>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>user trippled...
>


What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it now 
better than Symantec?

Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?


Alex




________
From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the 
process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre email 
for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the performance of 
Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server doesn't play well with 
others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I suppose I could just buy some 
more server licenses for each Sunbelt product, but I went with Sunbelt because 
they were good AND affordable.  But if you have to add a Windows server license 
to each insta

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[greg.sweers]

I think that policy applies to all AV/spyware products.  Vipre is not the only 
product to fall victim to false positives

-Original Message-
From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 9:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I think this points out the wisdom of not configuring VIPRE to delete
anything.  Let it quarantine and only delete items in the quarantine
when YOU decide to do so.

Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Michael D Faulkner
 wrote:
> .. I might add, that I have not been too happy with Sunbelt support.  About
> a month ago, a false positive deleted an executable on some of my
> workstations.  An email request for assistance took most of a day before I
> got a response, and then it was after hours on Sunbelt's side, so I could
> not discuss.  I sent in some diagnostic files that day, and some I could not
> due to problems with the Sunbelt FTP account until that issue was cleared
> the next day.
>
>
>
> When I asked about why this had happened, I got no suitable explanation --
> just that with the new signature updates it was not.  I had thought that
> Sunbelt created it's own signatures inhouse - one of its selling points -
> and so could explain to me what had occurred and why.  I asked a few times
> about this but never received a satisfactory answer and just left an
> exception on the server for this particular app.
>
>
>
> From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a bit
> confused.
>
>
>
> A few questions:
>
>
>
>>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.
>
>
>
> You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with?
> (Apart from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).
>
>
>
>> Neither product will start
>>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.
>
> Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the
> server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.
>
>
>
>
>
>>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>>as badly.
>
> Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss
> proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a fairly
> ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten considerably
> better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any antivirus product, you're
> better off putting the heavy lifting on a server or on the gateway.
>
>
>
> However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm curious
> why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client anyway?
>
>
>
>
>
>>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>>user trippled...
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it now
> better than Symantec?
>
>
>
> Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?
>
>
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech sup

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Michael D Faulkner]

Operator error.  I swore I checked quarantine, but I see it now.  Perhaps the 
interface needed a refresh to display it?

-Original Message-
From: Roger Wright [mailto:rhw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 7:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I think this points out the wisdom of not configuring VIPRE to delete
anything.  Let it quarantine and only delete items in the quarantine
when YOU decide to do so.

Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Michael D Faulkner
 wrote:
> .. I might add, that I have not been too happy with Sunbelt support.  About
> a month ago, a false positive deleted an executable on some of my
> workstations.  An email request for assistance took most of a day before I
> got a response, and then it was after hours on Sunbelt's side, so I could
> not discuss.  I sent in some diagnostic files that day, and some I could not
> due to problems with the Sunbelt FTP account until that issue was cleared
> the next day.
>
>
>
> When I asked about why this had happened, I got no suitable explanation --
> just that with the new signature updates it was not.  I had thought that
> Sunbelt created it's own signatures inhouse - one of its selling points -
> and so could explain to me what had occurred and why.  I asked a few times
> about this but never received a satisfactory answer and just left an
> exception on the server for this particular app.
>
>
>
> From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a bit
> confused.
>
>
>
> A few questions:
>
>
>
>>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.
>
>
>
> You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with?
> (Apart from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).
>
>
>
>> Neither product will start
>>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.
>
> Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the
> server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.
>
>
>
>
>
>>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>>as badly.
>
> Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss
> proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a fairly
> ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten considerably
> better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any antivirus product, you're
> better off putting the heavy lifting on a server or on the gateway.
>
>
>
> However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm curious
> why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client anyway?
>
>
>
>
>
>>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>>user trippled...
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it now
> better than Symantec?
>
>
>
> Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?
>
>
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support. 

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Roger Wright]

I think this points out the wisdom of not configuring VIPRE to delete
anything.  Let it quarantine and only delete items in the quarantine
when YOU decide to do so.

Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Michael D Faulkner
 wrote:
> .. I might add, that I have not been too happy with Sunbelt support.  About
> a month ago, a false positive deleted an executable on some of my
> workstations.  An email request for assistance took most of a day before I
> got a response, and then it was after hours on Sunbelt’s side, so I could
> not discuss.  I sent in some diagnostic files that day, and some I could not
> due to problems with the Sunbelt FTP account until that issue was cleared
> the next day.
>
>
>
> When I asked about why this had happened, I got no suitable explanation --
> just that with the new signature updates it was not.  I had thought that
> Sunbelt created it’s own signatures inhouse – one of its selling points –
> and so could explain to me what had occurred and why.  I asked a few times
> about this but never received a satisfactory answer and just left an
> exception on the server for this particular app.
>
>
>
> From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com]
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a bit
> confused.
>
>
>
> A few questions:
>
>
>
>>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.
>
>
>
> You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with?
> (Apart from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).
>
>
>
>> Neither product will start
>>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.
>
> Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the
> server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.
>
>
>
>
>
>>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>>as badly.
>
> Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss
> proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a fairly
> ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten considerably
> better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any antivirus product, you're
> better off putting the heavy lifting on a server or on the gateway.
>
>
>
> However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm curious
> why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client anyway?
>
>
>
>
>
>>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>>user trippled...
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it now
> better than Symantec?
>
>
>
> Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?
>
>
>
>
>
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
> have to add a Windows server license to 

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Michael D Faulkner]

.. I might add, that I have not been too happy with Sunbelt support.
About a month ago, a false positive deleted an executable on some of my
workstations.  An email request for assistance took most of a day before
I got a response, and then it was after hours on Sunbelt's side, so I
could not discuss.  I sent in some diagnostic files that day, and some I
could not due to problems with the Sunbelt FTP account until that issue
was cleared the next day.  

 

When I asked about why this had happened, I got no suitable explanation
-- just that with the new signature updates it was not.  I had thought
that Sunbelt created it's own signatures inhouse - one of its selling
points - and so could explain to me what had occurred and why.  I asked
a few times about this but never received a satisfactory answer and just
left an exception on the server for this particular app.

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a
bit confused.  

 

A few questions:

 

>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.  

 

You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with?
(Apart from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).   

 

> Neither product will start
>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.   

Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the
server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.

 

 

>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>as badly.

Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss
proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a
fairly ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten
considerably better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any
antivirus product, you're better off putting the heavy lifting on a
server or on the gateway.   

 

However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm
curious why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client
anyway?

 

 


>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>user trippled...  
> 

 

 

What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it
now better than Symantec?

 

Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?

 

 

Alex

 

 

 

 



From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt
product, but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.
But if you have to add a Windows server license to each install, that
dramatically changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it
stands now, I have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt
Exchange Archiver.  Neither product will start with the server.  I have
to log in manually and start them.   

 

On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was
so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to
keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in
excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or
deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items
selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.

 

Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
performan

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Michael D Faulkner]

I've found the Vipre service on the console server will not start
automatically upon reboot.  Been too lazy to look into it.

 

From: Alex Eckelberry [mailto:al...@sunbelt-software.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a
bit confused.  

 

A few questions:

 

>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.  

 

You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with?
(Apart from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).   

 

> Neither product will start
>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.   

Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the
server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.

 

 

>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>as badly.

Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss
proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a
fairly ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten
considerably better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any
antivirus product, you're better off putting the heavy lifting on a
server or on the gateway.   

 

However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm
curious why you bothered to enable the email protection on the client
anyway?

 

 


>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>user trippled...  
> 

 

 

What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it
now better than Symantec?

 

Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?

 

 

Alex

 

 

 

 



From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt
product, but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.
But if you have to add a Windows server license to each install, that
dramatically changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it
stands now, I have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt
Exchange Archiver.  Neither product will start with the server.  I have
to log in manually and start them.   

 

On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was
so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to
keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in
excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or
deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items
selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.

 

Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails
selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in
January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could
close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they
thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product
protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...  

 

Bill

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal an

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ray]

Supposedly people who are supposed to know already did that.   

 

From: Jon Harris [mailto:jk.har...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 9:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

Double check that "can't sign multiyear" contracts with more senior
purchasing people at the agency.  Last State agency I worked at gave me the
same thing but there was "work arounds" but they depended on pricing and
wording of the contracts.

 

Jon

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Ray  wrote:

 Ok.  The Kaspersky quote so far has been quite excellent.  Unfortunately
this state agency can't sign more than year to year contracts, so we lose
out on some multi-year deals. 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:20 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

Kaspersky, Trend and something else I can't recall. It was mainly
price-based, and I'd heard vast amounts of good things about it from other
admins. Compared to SAV, the footprint of a scan alone made us think it was
fab.

On 2 April 2010 02:43, Ray  wrote:

Why did you recommend Vipre over which platforms? 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:41 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

I recommended Vipre over all the other options when Symantec came up for
renewal. I think I am still flavour of the month, financially and
technically :-)

On 1 April 2010 21:58, Ray  wrote:

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~






-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

 

 

 

 




-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Alex Eckelberry]

There are a number of broad statements in this email, and I admit I am a bit 
confused.

A few questions:

>Vipre Server doesn't play well with others.

You mean the console?  What other applications doesn't it co-exist with? (Apart 
from the Sunbelt Exchange Archiver, as you mentioned).

> Neither product will start
>with the server.  I have to log in manually and start them.
Does this mean you have to manually start them after you've rebooted the 
server?  I'm a bit confused on this statement.


>On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007
>was so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus
>product to keep my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in
>Outlook 2007 in excess of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your
>sent items or deleted items, Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds
>per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was also affected, but not
>as badly.
Well, the sad truth is that AV-scanning on Outlook is a hit or miss 
proposition, unfortunately.   From a development standpoint, it is a fairly 
ugly what's involved in making a plug-in work.  It has gotten considerably 
better with the current verion, but IMHO, with any antivirus product, you're 
better off putting the heavy lifting on a server or on the gateway.

However, if you were running Ninja/VIPRE for Exchange anyway, I'm curious why 
you bothered to enable the email protection on the client anyway?



>Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that
>was significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for
>poor performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand
>emails selected was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That
>was in January.  I haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said
>they could close the ticket if they thought hangs like that were
>acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I
>have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of course, my price per
>user trippled...
>


What is the performance now that you've disabled email scanning?  Is it now 
better than Symantec?

Also, are you still running Ninja/VIPRE Exchange?


Alex





From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the 
process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre email 
for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the performance of 
Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server doesn't play well with 
others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I suppose I could just buy some 
more server licenses for each Sunbelt product, but I went with Sunbelt because 
they were good AND affordable.  But if you have to add a Windows server license 
to each install, that dramatically changes the per user cost in a small shop 
like mine.  As it stands now, I have Vipre enterprise running on the same box 
as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.  Neither product will start with the server.  I 
have to log in manually and start them.

On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so bad 
I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my 
mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a 
hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items, Outlook 
2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was 
also affected, but not as badly.

Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a 
performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was 
significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor 
performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected 
was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I 
haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket if 
they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  
I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of 
course, my price per user trippled...

Bill
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray mailto:rz...@qwest.net>> 
wrote:
I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model fo

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Jon Harris]

Double check that "can't sign multiyear" contracts with more senior
purchasing people at the agency.  Last State agency I worked at gave me the
same thing but there was "work arounds" but they depended on pricing and
wording of the contracts.

Jon

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Ray  wrote:

>   Ok.  The Kaspersky quote so far has been quite excellent.  Unfortunately
> this state agency can’t sign more than year to year contracts, so we lose
> out on some multi-year deals.
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:20 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> Kaspersky, Trend and something else I can't recall. It was mainly
> price-based, and I'd heard vast amounts of good things about it from other
> admins. Compared to SAV, the footprint of a scan alone made us think it was
> fab.
>
> On 2 April 2010 02:43, Ray  wrote:
>
> Why did you recommend Vipre over which platforms?
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:41 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> I recommended Vipre over all the other options when Symantec came up for
> renewal. I think I am still flavour of the month, financially and
> technically :-)
>
> On 1 April 2010 21:58, Ray  wrote:
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ray]

 Ok.  The Kaspersky quote so far has been quite excellent.  Unfortunately
this state agency can't sign more than year to year contracts, so we lose
out on some multi-year deals. 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

Kaspersky, Trend and something else I can't recall. It was mainly
price-based, and I'd heard vast amounts of good things about it from other
admins. Compared to SAV, the footprint of a scan alone made us think it was
fab.

On 2 April 2010 02:43, Ray  wrote:

Why did you recommend Vipre over which platforms? 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:41 PM


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

I recommended Vipre over all the other options when Symantec came up for
renewal. I think I am still flavour of the month, financially and
technically :-)

On 1 April 2010 21:58, Ray  wrote:

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~






-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

 

 

 

 




-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[James Rankin]

Kaspersky, Trend and something else I can't recall. It was mainly
price-based, and I'd heard vast amounts of good things about it from other
admins. Compared to SAV, the footprint of a scan alone made us think it was
fab.

On 2 April 2010 02:43, Ray  wrote:

>  Why did you recommend Vipre over which platforms?
>
>
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:41 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> I recommended Vipre over all the other options when Symantec came up for
> renewal. I think I am still flavour of the month, financially and
> technically :-)
>
> On 1 April 2010 21:58, Ray  wrote:
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 2 Apr 2010 at 13:43, Stu Sjouwerman  wrote:

> Bill, Sorry to hear you ran into these issues. We have close to 20K
> enterprise sites running VIPRE so I´m sure we can solve this issue, given the
> time to dig into it. Are you interested in solving it, and get a year free to
> make up for the hassle? If so, let´s take this off-line. 

Hey if you can figure it out, there are others of us here who are interested in 
the fix!

> On the client side, the email scanningperformance for Outlook 2007 was so
> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
> mailboxes clean. Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected. Outlook
> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly. 

I have run into this with one of my older workstations which is very 
underpowered -- not enough RAM -- and seen it in person.  The user has learned 
to move msgs in groups of 10-20 at a time, that seems to work fine.

Also ran into a situation today on my own VIPRE 3 station (1.5gb RAM, so it's 
shouldn't be a swap-to-disk scenario) where SBAMsvc consumed 75%-95% of the CPU 
for minutes at a time when Firefox was opening the "Downloads" window and there 
were lots of large downloads all which FF opens to display the icon for the 
program in the downloads window.  Of course VIPRE has to interfere with each of 
these file-opens even though it's just a read.  While this was going on I 
couldn't do anything else on the machine, very annoying.  I made a screen-
capture of Process Explorer showing this at the time and can probably duplicate 
this behavior again at will.

A

--
Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Jonathan Link]

It's like Lie-Nielsen is in the wood working world.  Make awesome hand
tools.  If you have a problem with one, they are there to fix it.  Many
stories of someone getting a plane or something, doesn't seem quite right,
they send out another one to replace it completely, even if it is easily
fixable with some service/direction over the phone.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> That's a damn generous offer. I worked at Nordstrom for 11 years,
> early in my career, and I frequently saw this kind of customer service
> from them, and rarely since.
>
> I salute you sir.
>
> Kurt
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:43, Stu Sjouwerman 
> wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry to hear you ran into these issues. We have close to 20K enterprise
> > sites running
> >
> > VIPRE so I’m sure we can solve this issue, given the time to dig into it.
> > Are you interested
> >
> > in solving it, and get a year free to make up for the hassle? If so,
> let’s
> > take this off-line.
> >
> >
> >
> > Warm regards,
> >
> >
> > Stu Sjouwerman
> >
> > Co-Founder, Publisher, Sunbelt Media
> > P: +1-727-562-0101 ext 218
> > F: +1-727-562-5199
> > s...@sunbelt-software.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
> >
> >
> >
> > I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> > process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> > email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> > performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
> > doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
> > suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt
> product,
> > but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if
> you
> > have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
> > changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
> > have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange
> Archiver.
> > Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually
> and
> > start them.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was
> so
> > bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep
> my
> > mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess
> of a
> > hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
> > Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.
> Outlook
> > 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
> >
> >
> >
> > Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
> > performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
> > significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
> > performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails
> selected
> > was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
> > haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the
> ticket
> > if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
> > acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
> > perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
> >
> > I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
> ask
> > again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> > alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd
> love
> > the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> > even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> > machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> > updates would be ideal.
> >
> > We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> > to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
> >
> > We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
> >
> > Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> > would be great.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[jgarciaitlist]

Good old fashion american bussiness way, like it used to be.


Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff 
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 11:21:19 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

That's a damn generous offer. I worked at Nordstrom for 11 years,
early in my career, and I frequently saw this kind of customer service
from them, and rarely since.

I salute you sir.

Kurt

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:43, Stu Sjouwerman  wrote:
> Bill,
>
>
>
> Sorry to hear you ran into these issues. We have close to 20K enterprise
> sites running
>
> VIPRE so I’m sure we can solve this issue, given the time to dig into it.
> Are you interested
>
> in solving it, and get a year free to make up for the hassle? If so, let’s
> take this off-line.
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
>
> Stu Sjouwerman
>
> Co-Founder, Publisher, Sunbelt Media
> P: +1-727-562-0101 ext 218
> F: +1-727-562-5199
> s...@sunbelt-software.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
> start them.
>
>
>
> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
> mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>
>
>
> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Kurt Buff]

That's a damn generous offer. I worked at Nordstrom for 11 years,
early in my career, and I frequently saw this kind of customer service
from them, and rarely since.

I salute you sir.

Kurt

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:43, Stu Sjouwerman  wrote:
> Bill,
>
>
>
> Sorry to hear you ran into these issues. We have close to 20K enterprise
> sites running
>
> VIPRE so I’m sure we can solve this issue, given the time to dig into it.
> Are you interested
>
> in solving it, and get a year free to make up for the hassle? If so, let’s
> take this off-line.
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
>
> Stu Sjouwerman
>
> Co-Founder, Publisher, Sunbelt Media
> P: +1-727-562-0101 ext 218
> F: +1-727-562-5199
> s...@sunbelt-software.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
> start them.
>
>
>
> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
> mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>
>
>
> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[jgarciaitlist]

Is viper going to come with a umt device
Maybe team up with pfsense??
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Sean Martin 
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:55:59 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

If that's not customer service, I don't know what is. Well done Stu.

- Sean

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Stu Sjouwerman wrote:

>  Bill,
>
>
>
> Sorry to hear you ran into these issues. We have close to 20K enterprise
> sites running
>
> VIPRE so I’m sure we can solve this issue, given the time to dig into it.
> Are you interested
>
> in solving it, and get a year free to make up for the hassle? If so, let’s
> take this off-line.
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
>
> *Stu Sjouwerman*
>
> *Co-Founder, Publisher, Sunbelt Media*
> P: +1-727-562-0101 ext 218
> F: +1-727-562-5199
> s...@sunbelt-software.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
> start them.
>
>
>
> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
> mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>
>
>
> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[jgarciaitlist]

Viper great
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Sean Martin 
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:55:59 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

If that's not customer service, I don't know what is. Well done Stu.

- Sean

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Stu Sjouwerman wrote:

>  Bill,
>
>
>
> Sorry to hear you ran into these issues. We have close to 20K enterprise
> sites running
>
> VIPRE so I’m sure we can solve this issue, given the time to dig into it.
> Are you interested
>
> in solving it, and get a year free to make up for the hassle? If so, let’s
> take this off-line.
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
>
> *Stu Sjouwerman*
>
> *Co-Founder, Publisher, Sunbelt Media*
> P: +1-727-562-0101 ext 218
> F: +1-727-562-5199
> s...@sunbelt-software.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
> start them.
>
>
>
> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
> mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>
>
>
> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Sean Martin]

If that's not customer service, I don't know what is. Well done Stu.

- Sean

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Stu Sjouwerman wrote:

>  Bill,
>
>
>
> Sorry to hear you ran into these issues. We have close to 20K enterprise
> sites running
>
> VIPRE so I’m sure we can solve this issue, given the time to dig into it.
> Are you interested
>
> in solving it, and get a year free to make up for the hassle? If so, let’s
> take this off-line.
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
>
> *Stu Sjouwerman*
>
> *Co-Founder, Publisher, Sunbelt Media*
> P: +1-727-562-0101 ext 218
> F: +1-727-562-5199
> s...@sunbelt-software.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
>
> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
> start them.
>
>
>
> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
> mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>
>
>
> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>
>
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Stu Sjouwerman]

Bill,

Sorry to hear you ran into these issues. We have close to 20K enterprise sites 
running
VIPRE so I'm sure we can solve this issue, given the time to dig into it.  Are 
you interested
in solving it, and get a year free to make up for the hassle? If so, let's take 
this off-line.

Warm regards,


Stu Sjouwerman
Co-Founder, Publisher, Sunbelt Media
P: +1-727-562-0101 ext 218
F: +1-727-562-5199
s...@sunbelt-software.com




From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the 
process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre email 
for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the performance of 
Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server doesn't play well with 
others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I suppose I could just buy some 
more server licenses for each Sunbelt product, but I went with Sunbelt because 
they were good AND affordable.  But if you have to add a Windows server license 
to each install, that dramatically changes the per user cost in a small shop 
like mine.  As it stands now, I have Vipre enterprise running on the same box 
as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.  Neither product will start with the server.  I 
have to log in manually and start them.

On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so bad 
I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my 
mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a 
hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items, Outlook 
2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook 2003 was 
also affected, but not as badly.

Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a 
performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was 
significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor 
performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected 
was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I 
haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket if 
they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was acceptable.  
I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my perimeter.  Of 
course, my price per user trippled...

Bill
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray mailto:rz...@qwest.net>> 
wrote:
I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Bill Songstad]

Too small to tell really.  We rarely generate enough traffic to put a decent
load on the device.  We did have an issue with a previous update that caused
extremely poor performance across all the proxies.  It was only noticeable
on HTTP of course.

I do not scan all traffic either.  I only scan smtp and http from untrusted
sites.

Bill

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 7:51 AM,  wrote:

> Bill songstad
>
> Cool
> Does watch av scanning slow down the wan a bit??
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> --
> *From: *Bill Songstad 
> *Date: *Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:45:57 -0700
>  *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>  *Subject: *Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>   Justino, for my gateway, I'm filtering SMTP on my Watchguard Firewall
> using their AV add-on.  It seems to be based on an AVG product.
>
> As for malware, no.  With the firewall screwed down tight,  especially with
> the SMTP scanning, I get very little malware activity at all.  In reality, I
> could probably run without desktop AV at all.  But I'm not completely crazy.
>
> -Bill
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:13 PM, justino garcia wrote:
>
>> what is that gateway av product your using?
>> Had you had issues with malware infecting your pcs anyway?
>>
>>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Bill Songstad wrote:
>>
>>> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
>>> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
>>> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
>>> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
>>> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
>>> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
>>> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
>>> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
>>> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
>>> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
>>> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
>>> start them.
>>>
>>> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was
>>> so bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep
>>> my mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess
>>> of a hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
>>> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
>>> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>>>
>>> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>>> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
>>> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
>>> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
>>> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
>>> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
>>> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
>>> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
>>> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>>>> ask
>>>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>>>> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd
>>>> love
>>>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>>>> perhaps
>>>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>>>> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>>>> .dat
>>>> updates would be ideal.
>>>>
>>>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>>>> chose
>>>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>>>
>>>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>>>
>>>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>>>> would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Justin
>> IT-TECH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[jgarciaitlist]

Bill songstad 

Cool
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-Original Message-
From: Bill Songstad 
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 07:45:57 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Justino, for my gateway, I'm filtering SMTP on my Watchguard Firewall using
their AV add-on.  It seems to be based on an AVG product.

As for malware, no.  With the firewall screwed down tight,  especially with
the SMTP scanning, I get very little malware activity at all.  In reality, I
could probably run without desktop AV at all.  But I'm not completely crazy.

-Bill

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:13 PM, justino garcia wrote:

> what is that gateway av product your using?
> Had you had issues with malware infecting your pcs anyway?
>
>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Bill Songstad wrote:
>
>> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
>> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
>> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
>> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
>> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
>> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
>> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
>> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
>> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
>> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
>> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
>> start them.
>>
>> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
>> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
>> mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
>> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
>> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
>> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>>
>> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
>> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
>> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
>> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
>> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
>> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
>> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
>> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>>
>> Bill
>>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>>> ask
>>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>>> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd
>>> love
>>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>>> perhaps
>>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>>> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>>> .dat
>>> updates would be ideal.
>>>
>>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>>> chose
>>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>>
>>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>>
>>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>>> would be great.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Justin
> IT-TECH
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Bill Songstad]

Justino, for my gateway, I'm filtering SMTP on my Watchguard Firewall using
their AV add-on.  It seems to be based on an AVG product.

As for malware, no.  With the firewall screwed down tight,  especially with
the SMTP scanning, I get very little malware activity at all.  In reality, I
could probably run without desktop AV at all.  But I'm not completely crazy.

-Bill

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:13 PM, justino garcia wrote:

> what is that gateway av product your using?
> Had you had issues with malware infecting your pcs anyway?
>
>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Bill Songstad wrote:
>
>> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
>> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
>> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
>> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
>> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
>> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
>> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
>> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
>> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
>> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
>> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
>> start them.
>>
>> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
>> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
>> mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
>> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
>> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
>> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>>
>> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
>> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
>> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
>> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
>> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
>> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
>> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
>> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
>> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>>
>> Bill
>>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>>> ask
>>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>>> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd
>>> love
>>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>>> perhaps
>>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>>> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>>> .dat
>>> updates would be ideal.
>>>
>>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>>> chose
>>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>>
>>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>>
>>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>>> would be great.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~   ~
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Justin
> IT-TECH
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Maglinger, Paul]

That's been our experience with McCrappy too.

 

From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 8:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

Funny, but were having all kinds of trouble with McAfee and rather than
sending me an uninstall tool, they gave a 30 page document with
gozillions of reg entries I had to delete manually.

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

No not really.  McAfee even has a removal tool to actually remove it
that you can get from McAfee.  Add/Remove programs still leaves a lot of
traces of McAfee, it just doesn't want to uninstall.

Uggg, I just remove Groupshield last weekend.  I didn't really try to do
a good clean removal because the Exchange server will be going away in a
very short time as I'm in the process of setting up E2K3.  (No, I'm not
going to E2K10 because licenses were bought for E2K3 & no money
available for another upgrade at this time.)

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM, James Kerr  wrote:

Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?


James

- Original Message - From: "Richard Stovall" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM


Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and
i'm curious
how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k
workstations? It
would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV
and remove
it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.



On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore

wrote:


I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about
30 sites
with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the
policy
management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid
product at
actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a
friend or
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along
our contact
information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm
going to
ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking
for
alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.
We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console,
and
perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to
their own
machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed
model for
.dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and
actually
chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors
fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are
dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog!
~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog!
~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~




-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ray]

Why did you recommend Vipre over which platforms? 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:41 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

I recommended Vipre over all the other options when Symantec came up for
renewal. I think I am still flavour of the month, financially and
technically :-)

On 1 April 2010 21:58, Ray  wrote:

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~




-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ray]

Why did you drop Trend? 

-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Yeah, I just used Trend to remove Trend and pushed out Vipre agents to the 
desktops as I removed Trend from them, it was really easy. For the OP, one 
of the things I love about Vipre is having the ability to have update 
servers at remote sites and you don't need an additional server license for 
them.

James

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Stovall" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus


Ours was Symantec 10.something, and it was about 18 months ago.  I'm
sure things are better now.  The bits we received to simultaneously
remove Symantec and install Vipre just flat didn't work.  I wound up
running the Symantec uninstaller and then NoNAV (just to be safe)
before pushing out Vipre.  We did it in phases over several weeks and
it really wasn't a big deal.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:17 PM, James Kerr  wrote:
> Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?
>
>
> James
>
> - Original Message - From: "Richard Stovall" 
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
> Vipre can do this sometimes. I had zero luck with it, but my
> environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
> Others report quite good success.
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>>
>> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm 
>> curious
>> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? 
>> It
>> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and 
>> remove
>> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
>>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
>>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
>>> actually doing AV.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Karl Bickmore
>>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>>
>>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>>> 480-553-9967 X100
>>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>>
>>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend
>>> or
>>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our
>>> contact
>>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>>
>>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>>> ask
>>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>>> alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd love
>>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>>> perhaps
>>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>>> machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>>> .dat
>>> updates would be ideal.
>>>
>>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>>> chose
>>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>>
>>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>>
>>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>>> would be great.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ray]

Funny, but were having all kinds of trouble with McAfee and rather than
sending me an uninstall tool, they gave a 30 page document with gozillions
of reg entries I had to delete manually.

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 3:02 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

No not really.  McAfee even has a removal tool to actually remove it that
you can get from McAfee.  Add/Remove programs still leaves a lot of traces
of McAfee, it just doesn't want to uninstall.

Uggg, I just remove Groupshield last weekend.  I didn't really try to do a
good clean removal because the Exchange server will be going away in a very
short time as I'm in the process of setting up E2K3.  (No, I'm not going to
E2K10 because licenses were bought for E2K3 & no money available for another
upgrade at this time.)

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM, James Kerr  wrote:

Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?


James

- Original Message - From: "Richard Stovall" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM


Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus



Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.



On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
wrote:


I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact
information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
.dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~







~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~




-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Ray]

I know Nod32 can remove Mcafee without even requiring a reboot.  We were 
impressed when they did this for us last year.

 

From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious how 
do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It would be 
nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove it 
accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.




On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore  wrote:

I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites with 
the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy management 
is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or 
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact 
information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!



-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[justino garcia]

what is that gateway av product your using?
Had you had issues with malware infecting your pcs anyway?

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Bill Songstad  wrote:

> I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
> process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
> email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
> performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
> doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
> suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
> but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
> have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
> changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
> have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
> Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
> start them.
>
> On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
> bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
> mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
> hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
> Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
> 2003 was also affected, but not as badly.
>
> Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
> performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
> significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
> performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
> was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
> haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
> if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
> acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
> perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...
>
> Bill
>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:
>
>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>> ask
>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>> perhaps
>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>> .dat
>> updates would be ideal.
>>
>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>> chose
>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>
>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>
>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>> would be great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Justin
IT-TECH

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Bill Songstad]

I  Replaced Symantec AV 10 with Vipre earlier this year.  I expected the
process to be pretty smooth.  After all, I had been running Ninja/vipre
email for years and loved it.  I was sadly disappointed both in the
performance of Vipre and the famous Sunbelt tech support.  Vipre Server
doesn't play well with others.  Especially other Sunbelt products.  I
suppose I could just buy some more server licenses for each Sunbelt product,
but I went with Sunbelt because they were good AND affordable.  But if you
have to add a Windows server license to each install, that dramatically
changes the per user cost in a small shop like mine.  As it stands now, I
have Vipre enterprise running on the same box as Sunbelt Exchange Archiver.
Neither product will start with the server.  I have to log in manually and
start them.

On the client side, the email scanning performance for Outlook 2007 was so
bad I had to turn it off and purchase a gateway antivirus product to keep my
mailboxes clean.  Any time you selected items in Outlook 2007 in excess of a
hundred or so, like when cleaning out your sent items or deleted items,
Outlook 2007 would hang for 10 seconds per hundred items selected.  Outlook
2003 was also affected, but not as badly.

Support told me that selecting that many items would naturally cause a
performance hit and wanted to close the case.  I suggested that that was
significantly worse performance than Symantec, the yardstick for poor
performance, and that I thought one full minute/per thousand emails selected
was unacceptable.  I even copied my salesperson.  That was in January.  I
haven't heard from anyone.  I guess when I said they could close the ticket
if they thought hangs like that were acceptable, they thought it was
acceptable.  I don't, but hey, now I have another product protecting my
perimeter.  Of course, my price per user trippled...

Bill
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Ray  wrote:

> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Actually, that should have been E2K7was in a hurry to leave the office
for a 3 day weekend!

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:05 PM, John Cook  wrote:

>  E2K3? A little behind aren't we
>
> --
> *From*: Sherry Abercrombie
> *To*: NT System Admin Issues
> *Sent*: Thu Apr 01 18:02:06 2010
>
> *Subject*: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
> No not really.  McAfee even has a removal tool to actually remove it that
> you can get from McAfee.  Add/Remove programs still leaves a lot of traces
> of McAfee, it just doesn't want to uninstall.
>
> Uggg, I just remove Groupshield last weekend.  I didn't really try to do a
> good clean removal because the Exchange server will be going away in a very
> short time as I'm in the process of setting up E2K3.  (No, I'm not going to
> E2K10 because licenses were bought for E2K3 & no money available for another
> upgrade at this time.)
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM, James Kerr  wrote:
>
>> Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?
>>
>>
>> James
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Richard Stovall" 
>> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>
>>
>>  Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
>> environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
>> Others report quite good success.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>>
>>> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm
>>> curious
>>> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations?
>>> It
>>> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and
>>> remove
>>> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
>>>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
>>>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
>>>> actually doing AV.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Karl Bickmore
>>>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>>>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>>>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>>>
>>>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>>>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>>>> 480-553-9967 X100
>>>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>>>
>>>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend
>>>> or
>>>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our
>>>> contact
>>>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>>>
>>>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>>>> ask
>>>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>>>> alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd love
>>>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>>>> perhaps
>>>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>>>> machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>>>> .dat
>>>> updates would be ideal.
>>>>
>>>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>>>> chose
>>>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>>>
>>>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>>>
>>>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>>>> would be great.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>>>
>>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
&

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[John Cook]

E2K3? A little behind aren't we


From: Sherry Abercrombie
To: NT System Admin Issues
Sent: Thu Apr 01 18:02:06 2010
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

No not really.  McAfee even has a removal tool to actually remove it that you 
can get from McAfee.  Add/Remove programs still leaves a lot of traces of 
McAfee, it just doesn't want to uninstall.

Uggg, I just remove Groupshield last weekend.  I didn't really try to do a good 
clean removal because the Exchange server will be going away in a very short 
time as I'm in the process of setting up E2K3.  (No, I'm not going to E2K10 
because licenses were bought for E2K3 & no money available for another upgrade 
at this time.)

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM, James Kerr 
mailto:cluster...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?


James

- Original Message - From: "Richard Stovall" 
mailto:rich...@gmail.com>>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus


Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh 
mailto:hbo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.



On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
mailto:k...@ccnsconsulting.com>>
wrote:

I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact
information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net<mailto:rz...@qwest.net>]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
.dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~






~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~



--
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Sherry Abercrombie]

No not really.  McAfee even has a removal tool to actually remove it that
you can get from McAfee.  Add/Remove programs still leaves a lot of traces
of McAfee, it just doesn't want to uninstall.

Uggg, I just remove Groupshield last weekend.  I didn't really try to do a
good clean removal because the Exchange server will be going away in a very
short time as I'm in the process of setting up E2K3.  (No, I'm not going to
E2K10 because licenses were bought for E2K3 & no money available for another
upgrade at this time.)

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:17 PM, James Kerr  wrote:

> Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?
>
>
> James
>
> - Original Message - From: "Richard Stovall" 
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
> Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
> environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
> Others report quite good success.
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>
>> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
>> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
>> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
>> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
>>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
>>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
>>> actually doing AV.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Karl Bickmore
>>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>>
>>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>>> 480-553-9967 X100
>>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>>
>>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend
>>> or
>>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our
>>> contact
>>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>>
>>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>>> ask
>>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>>> alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd love
>>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>>> perhaps
>>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>>> machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>>> .dat
>>> updates would be ideal.
>>>
>>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>>> chose
>>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>>
>>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>>
>>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>>> would be great.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>



-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Maglinger, Paul]

I'd rather have a root canal...

-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

No, I haven't had that pleasure as of yet.


- Original Message - 
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus


LOL!  You haven't tried to uninstall Groupshield from an Exchange
server, have you?

-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?


James

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Stovall" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus


Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm
curious
> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k
workstations? It
> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and
remove
> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore

> wrote:
>>
>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30
sites
>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the
policy
>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product
at
>> actually doing AV.
>>
>>
>>
>> Karl Bickmore
>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>
>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>> 480-553-9967 X100
>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>
>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a
friend 
>> or
>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our 
>> contact
>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>
>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going
to
>> ask
>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>> alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd
love
>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>> perhaps
>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their
own
>> machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model
for
>> .dat
>> updates would be ideal.
>>
>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and
actually
>> chose
>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>
>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>
>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping
it
>> would be great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[James Rankin]

I recommended Vipre over all the other options when Symantec came up for
renewal. I think I am still flavour of the month, financially and
technically :-)

On 1 April 2010 21:58, Ray  wrote:

> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>



-- 
"On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[James Kerr]

No, I haven't had that pleasure as of yet.


- Original Message - 
From: "Maglinger, Paul" 

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:31 PM
Subject: RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus


LOL!  You haven't tried to uninstall Groupshield from an Exchange
server, have you?

-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:17 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?


James

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Stovall" 

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus


Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm

curious

how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k

workstations? It

would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and

remove

it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.



On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore



wrote:


I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30

sites

with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the

policy

management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product

at

actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a
friend 

or
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our 
contact

information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going

to

ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd

love

the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their

own

machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model

for

.dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and

actually

chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping

it

would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Maglinger, Paul]

LOL!  You haven't tried to uninstall Groupshield from an Exchange
server, have you?

-Original Message-
From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:17 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?


James

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Stovall" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus


Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm
curious
> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k
workstations? It
> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and
remove
> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore

> wrote:
>>
>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30
sites
>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the
policy
>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product
at
>> actually doing AV.
>>
>>
>>
>> Karl Bickmore
>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>
>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>> 480-553-9967 X100
>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>
>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a
friend 
>> or
>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our 
>> contact
>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>
>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going
to
>> ask
>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>> alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd
love
>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>> perhaps
>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their
own
>> machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model
for
>> .dat
>> updates would be ideal.
>>
>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and
actually
>> chose
>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>
>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>
>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping
it
>> would be great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[James Kerr]

Yeah, I just used Trend to remove Trend and pushed out Vipre agents to the 
desktops as I removed Trend from them, it was really easy. For the OP, one 
of the things I love about Vipre is having the ability to have update 
servers at remote sites and you don't need an additional server license for 
them.


James

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Stovall" 

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus


Ours was Symantec 10.something, and it was about 18 months ago.  I'm
sure things are better now.  The bits we received to simultaneously
remove Symantec and install Vipre just flat didn't work.  I wound up
running the Symantec uninstaller and then NoNAV (just to be safe)
before pushing out Vipre.  We did it in phases over several weeks and
it really wasn't a big deal.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:17 PM, James Kerr  wrote:

Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?


James

- Original Message - From: "Richard Stovall" 
To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus


Vipre can do this sometimes. I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:


I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm 
curious
how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? 
It
would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and 
remove

it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.



On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
wrote:


I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend
or
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our
contact
information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
.dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~



~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Richard Stovall]

Ours was Symantec 10.something, and it was about 18 months ago.  I'm
sure things are better now.  The bits we received to simultaneously
remove Symantec and install Vipre just flat didn't work.  I wound up
running the Symantec uninstaller and then NoNAV (just to be safe)
before pushing out Vipre.  We did it in phases over several weeks and
it really wasn't a big deal.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:17 PM, James Kerr  wrote:
> Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?
>
>
> James
>
> - Original Message - From: "Richard Stovall" 
> To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
>
> Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
> environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
> Others report quite good success.
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>>
>> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
>> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
>> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
>> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
>>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
>>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
>>> actually doing AV.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Karl Bickmore
>>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>>
>>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>>> 480-553-9967 X100
>>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>>
>>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend
>>> or
>>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our
>>> contact
>>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>>
>>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>>> ask
>>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>>> alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd love
>>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>>> perhaps
>>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>>> machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>>> .dat
>>> updates would be ideal.
>>>
>>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>>> chose
>>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>>
>>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>>
>>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>>> would be great.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>>
>>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[James Kerr]

Cant you just remove McAfee with McAfee?


James

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Stovall" 

To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus


Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.



On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
wrote:


I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend 
or
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our 
contact

information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives. We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites. We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines. Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
.dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/> ~








~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Sean Rector]

I did well (using the scripts) with it removing Symantec whateveritscallednow.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Harry Singh [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 5:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

 

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious how 
do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It would be 
nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove it 
accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.




On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore  wrote:

I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites with 
the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy management 
is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or 
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact 
information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!



-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal.

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great.

Thanks,

Ray


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

 

 

 

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Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Vipre removed McAfee on 450+ workstations and almost 200 servers that I have
here.  The only ones that I had issues with were about 8 Windows 2000
servers that I still have hanging around, McAfee was removed, just all the
services didn't get removed, but they were set to disabled.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Richard Stovall  wrote:

> Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
> environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
> Others report quite good success.
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
> > I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm
> curious
> > how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations?
> It
> > would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and
> remove
> > it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
> >> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
> >> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
> >> actually doing AV.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Karl Bickmore
> >> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
> >> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
> >> DataCore SANmelody Certified
> >>
> >> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
> >> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
> >> 480-553-9967 X100
> >> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
> >>
> >> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend
> or
> >> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our
> contact
> >> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
> >> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
> >>
> >> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
> >> ask
> >> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> >> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd
> love
> >> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> >> perhaps
> >> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> >> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> >> .dat
> >> updates would be ideal.
> >>
> >> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> >> chose
> >> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
> >>
> >> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
> >>
> >> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> >> would be great.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Ray
> >>
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> ~   ~
> >>
> >> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> >> ~   ~
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Sean Rector]

I definitely recommend Vipre.  Get with support on how best to handle
the remote sites - it's pretty slick.

Sean Rector, MCSE

-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 4:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
ask again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd
love the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console,
and perhaps even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access
to their own machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a
distributed model for .dat updates would be ideal. 

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
chose to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors
fault. 

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos. 

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great. 

Thanks, 

Ray 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
  ~
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Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Richard Stovall]

Vipre can do this sometimes.  I had zero luck with it, but my
environment is tiny by comparison and it wasn't a deal-breaker.
Others report quite good success.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
> wrote:
>>
>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
>> actually doing AV.
>>
>>
>>
>> Karl Bickmore
>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>
>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>> 480-553-9967 X100
>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>
>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or
>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact
>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>
>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>> ask
>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>> perhaps
>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>> .dat
>> updates would be ideal.
>>
>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>> chose
>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>
>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>
>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>> would be great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Roger Wright]

VIPRE has some scripts to automate the process for several vendor's
products.  Haven't had the opportunity to try them out myself, though.


Die dulci fruere!

Roger Wright
___




On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:
> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore 
> wrote:
>>
>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
>> actually doing AV.
>>
>>
>>
>> Karl Bickmore
>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>
>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>> 480-553-9967 X100
>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>
>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or
>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact
>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>
>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>> ask
>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>> perhaps
>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>> .dat
>> updates would be ideal.
>>
>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>> chose
>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>
>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>
>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>> would be great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Vipre removes McAfee when correctly configured to do so.  It also has
removal for most other AV software.

And +1 on Vipre.

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Harry Singh  wrote:

> I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
> how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
> would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
> it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore wrote:
>
>> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
>> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
>> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
>> actually doing AV.
>>
>>
>>
>> Karl Bickmore
>> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
>> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
>> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>>
>> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
>> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
>> 480-553-9967 X100
>> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>>
>> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or
>> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact
>> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>>
>> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to
>> ask
>> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
>> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
>> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
>> perhaps
>> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
>> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
>> .dat
>> updates would be ideal.
>>
>> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
>> chose
>> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>>
>> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>>
>> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
>> would be great.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~   ~
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Harry Singh]

I plan on making a decision similar to this in near future and i'm curious
how do you plan on uninstalling your current AV across 4k workstations? It
would be nice is Vipre or NOD32 had the ability to recognize AV and remove
it accordingly. That may be wishful thinking though.



On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karl Bickmore wrote:

> I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites
> with the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy
> management is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at
> actually doing AV.
>
>
>
> Karl Bickmore
> MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
> LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
> DataCore SANmelody Certified
>
> 6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
> Scottsdale AZ, 85250
> 480-553-9967 X100
> k...@ccnsconsulting.com
>
> Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or
> colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact
> information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus
>
> I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
> again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
> alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
> the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and
> perhaps
> even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
> machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for
> .dat
> updates would be ideal.
>
> We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually
> chose
> to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault.
>
> We're also looking at Trend and Sophos.
>
> Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
> would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: Enterprise Anti-Virus

[Karl Bickmore]

I put in the vote for Vipre. We run a central console for about 30 sites with 
the newest version 4.0. It is pretty easy to deploy and the policy management 
is also simple. Even more, it seems to be a solid product at actually doing AV.



Karl Bickmore
MSCE NT4/2k/2k3, MCP, MCP+I, MCSA 2k/2k3
LPI-1, CCNA, CCDA, Net+,Security+,Linux+
DataCore SANmelody Certified

6613 N Scottsdale Road, Suite 101
Scottsdale AZ, 85250
480-553-9967 X100
k...@ccnsconsulting.com

Please remember CCNS is a referral based business. If you have a friend or 
colleague in need, we are happy to help. Feel free to pass along our contact 
information to anyone you think we can help. Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: Ray [mailto:rz...@qwest.net] 
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:59 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Enterprise Anti-Virus

I know this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm going to ask
again. Our McAfee contract is nearing renewal and we're looking for
alternatives.  We have about 4,000 desktops in 20 remote sites.  We'd love
the flexibility of managing everything from centralized console, and perhaps
even allowing the local sites on-site staff to have access to their own
machines.  Not all our pipes are that great, so a distributed model for .dat
updates would be ideal. 

We are currently evaluating Vipre. Last year we looked at and actually chose
to buy Nod32, but, well, long story, and it wasn't the vendors fault. 

We're also looking at Trend and Sophos. 

Any feedback on what you have now and why you chose it or are dumping it
would be great. 

Thanks, 

Ray 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~