RE: PC lifecycle?

[David Lum]

PowerEdge T410 with four 15K SAS disks. Two pairs of RAID1 (even though Dell 
said it was unsupported, I insisted on the config from my VAR as I know the 
RAID controller could do what I wanted).
Volume 1 has the 2008 R2 SQL server VM (SBS Premium add-on). Two VHD’s, (C: and 
D: ), but both on this volume
Volume 2 has SBS 2011 on it. Again two VHD’s and again both on this same 
volume. If we expand disks I can simply move the D: to a new volume and pick up 
speed w/out reconfiguring.

Copying files between the SQL server to SBS2011 is of course super-fast now! 
The fact that SQL and Exchange are on two different disk systems and now on 15K 
SAS vs. 7200RPM SATA makes a huge difference.

Dave

From: cynicalg...@gmail.com [mailto:cynicalg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Cc: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC lifecycle?

What kind of disk subsystem did you go with for the new server?  We are waiting 
on parts for a new SBS to run time matters 11 ent for a small office.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:42 AM, David Lum 
mailto:david@nwea.org>> wrote:
That’s is how I sold my client on an SBS swing to new hardware, along the lines 
of:
“if your average employee compensation is xx/hr  and they are waiting nn 
mins/day for the machine to boot and nn/mins/day while the server is processing 
something the cost is $$/employee/day. If new hardware/software cuts the total 
employee “wait” time by nn mins/day then multiplying that by xx/hr you gain 
$$/day of production.

My client wanted to upgrade 10 of their 17 PC’s (their PC’s are 24yrs old) to 
speed things up –but it was their SBS server that was getting flattened (SATA 
drives running Exchange and SQL!), I said if they spent that money on a new 
server instead (old was is a PE840) the’d see ROI in under six months.

Yesterday was their first day on the their new server and one maintenance job 
they would run at the end of the day went from 20 minutes to just under 5. That 
alone is 1hr 15mins/week gained  for that one employee. ~$100/mo saved right 
there.

If employee’s are idle waiting for the system to do something, that’s generally 
time they are not adding value.

Dave

From: Jonathan Link 
[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC lifecycle?

You have to work the numbers.  How much downtime/lost productivity.  It's 
dependent on the situation.  As I said, our computers are in the hands of 
revenue producers.  When they're down, they aren't billing their time.  They 
either have to make it up (morale issue) or it is lost productivity (money 
issue).  At current billing rates, it doesn't take long for an hour or two of 
downtime to justify some additional upfront expense.  If these are office 
drones, it's a bit harder to justify it from a cost-benefit perspective.

YMMV.


On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Harry Singh 
mailto:hbo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision maker, 
what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the length of 
the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6 years, and 
that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of IT Pros here so 
curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4 year refresh or you've 
been lucky enough to work for a company which pursues an aggressive refresh 
policy.

Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target 
margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if a 
new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb?


On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond 
mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> wrote:
> My customers vary from 3-5, err’ing to the left. Whatever the choice, they 
> generally have maintenance on the hardware.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> br...@briandesmond.com<mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>
>
>
>
> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
>
> From: David Mazzaccaro 
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: PC lifecycle?
>
>
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if 
> heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get some 
> idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
> .
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Busi

RE: PC lifecycle?

[Matthew W. Ross]

- Original Message -
From: David Lum

> (their PC's are 24yrs old)
 
I'm sure this is a typo... If not. Whoa... Still running on those serial 
terminals, eh? Sm:)e.

> If employee's are idle waiting for the system to do something, that's
> generally time they are not adding value.

If an employee is idle waiting for the system to do something, that's generally 
when I hope they start to do something else productive. If it takes 20 minutes 
or 5, there's something they can do.

If the difference from 20 minutes to 5 means a sale, or more sales, it's worth 
it. If it's just "slower" and thus people have to better manage their time, I 
don't see the big difference.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: David Lum
[mailto:david@nwea.org]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 13 Mar 2012
07:42:20 -0700
Subject: RE: PC lifecycle?


> That's is how I sold my client on an SBS swing to new hardware, along the
> lines of:
> "if your average employee compensation is xx/hr  and they are waiting nn
> mins/day for the machine to boot and nn/mins/day while the server is
> processing something the cost is $$/employee/day. If new hardware/software
> cuts the total employee "wait" time by nn mins/day then multiplying that by
> xx/hr you gain $$/day of production.
> 
> My client wanted to upgrade 10 of their 17 PC's (their PC's are 24yrs old)
> to speed things up -but it was their SBS server that was getting flattened
> (SATA drives running Exchange and SQL!), I said if they spent that money on
> a new server instead (old was is a PE840) the'd see ROI in under six months.
> 
> Yesterday was their first day on the their new server and one maintenance
> job they would run at the end of the day went from 20 minutes to just under
> 5. That alone is 1hr 15mins/week gained  for that one employee. ~$100/mo
> saved right there.
> 
> If employee's are idle waiting for the system to do something, that's
> generally time they are not adding value.
> 
> Dave
> 
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:39 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: PC lifecycle?
> 
> You have to work the numbers.  How much downtime/lost productivity.  It's
> dependent on the situation.  As I said, our computers are in the hands of
> revenue producers.  When they're down, they aren't billing their time.  They
> either have to make it up (morale issue) or it is lost productivity (money
> issue).  At current billing rates, it doesn't take long for an hour or two
> of downtime to justify some additional upfront expense.  If these are office
> drones, it's a bit harder to justify it from a cost-benefit perspective.
> 
> YMMV.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Harry Singh
> mailto:hbo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision maker,
> what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the length
> of the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6 years, and
> that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of IT Pros here
> so curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4 year refresh or
> you've been lucky enough to work for a company which pursues an aggressive
> refresh policy.
> 
> Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target
> margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if
> a new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb?
> 
> 
> On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond
> mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> wrote:
> > My customers vary from 3-5, err'ing to the left. Whatever the choice, they
> generally have maintenance on the hardware.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Desmond
> >
> > br...@briandesmond.com<mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>
> >
> >
> >
> > w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Mazzaccaro
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: PC lifecycle?
> >
> >
> >
> > How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> >
> > 4? 5? 6 years?
> >
> > My oldest are a few from 2006.
> >
> > I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
> heavy user/issues).
> >
&

RE: PC lifecycle?

[David Mazzaccaro]

I am thinking (hoping) he missed a "-" in there... 

(2-4 yrs old)

?

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC lifecycle?

 

PCs from 1988? Holy cow

On 13 March 2012 14:42, David Lum  wrote:

That's is how I sold my client on an SBS swing to new hardware, along
the lines of:

"if your average employee compensation is xx/hr  and they are waiting nn
mins/day for the machine to boot and nn/mins/day while the server is
processing something the cost is $$/employee/day. If new
hardware/software cuts the total employee "wait" time by nn mins/day
then multiplying that by xx/hr you gain $$/day of production.

 

My client wanted to upgrade 10 of their 17 PC's (their PC's are 24yrs
old) to speed things up -but it was their SBS server that was getting
flattened (SATA drives running Exchange and SQL!), I said if they spent
that money on a new server instead (old was is a PE840) the'd see ROI in
under six months.

 

Yesterday was their first day on the their new server and one
maintenance job they would run at the end of the day went from 20
minutes to just under 5. That alone is 1hr 15mins/week gained  for that
one employee. ~$100/mo saved right there.

 

If employee's are idle waiting for the system to do something, that's
generally time they are not adding value.

 

Dave

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:39 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: PC lifecycle?

 

You have to work the numbers.  How much downtime/lost productivity.
It's dependent on the situation.  As I said, our computers are in the
hands of revenue producers.  When they're down, they aren't billing
their time.  They either have to make it up (morale issue) or it is lost
productivity (money issue).  At current billing rates, it doesn't take
long for an hour or two of downtime to justify some additional upfront
expense.  If these are office drones, it's a bit harder to justify it
from a cost-benefit perspective.

 

YMMV.


 

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Harry Singh  wrote:

To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision
maker, what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten
the length of the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to
5-6 years, and that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide
range of IT Pros here so curious to see if any actually had to "fight"
for a 3-4 year refresh or you've been lucky enough to work for a company
which pursues an aggressive refresh policy. 

Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your
target margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other
words, if a new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a
refurb? 



On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> My customers vary from 3-5, err'ing to the left. Whatever the choice,
they generally have maintenance on the hardware.
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
>  
>
> w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132
>
>  
>
> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: PC lifecycle?
>
>  
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years
if heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment...I'm just trying to
get some idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
> .
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Harry Singh]

That's certainly an approach I've used in the past but at the current
%dayjob it's akin to say a non-profit or a company that doesn't many of the
conventional "revenue" producing staff (outside of the leadership/executive
team) e.g. marketing, sales, graphic designers, architects, etc. Putting
your CEO hat on, In some instances it's a tough sell to say that a
task-based worker needs a new PC every 3-4 years. And at the current day
job most of the workforce is considered "task-based". Productivity is the
direction I choose to base decisions on lifecycle management, but it's a
constant battle on how to convey the need in an effective way which
produces results.

Touching back on the topic of buying refurbs. I've done it previously, and
it works great for one-off purchases, but it presents issues with hardware
standardization and inventory. Plus, it increases support overheard for
help desk, so we've stayed away from that recently.




On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:42 AM, David Lum  wrote:

> That’s is how I sold my client on an SBS swing to new hardware, along the
> lines of:
>
> “if your average employee compensation is xx/hr  and they are waiting nn
> mins/day for the machine to boot and nn/mins/day while the server is
> processing something the cost is $$/employee/day. If new hardware/software
> cuts the total employee “wait” time by nn mins/day then multiplying that by
> xx/hr you gain $$/day of production.
>
> ** **
>
> My client wanted to upgrade 10 of their 17 PC’s (their PC’s are 24yrs old)
> to speed things up –but it was their SBS server that was getting flattened
> (SATA drives running Exchange and SQL!), I said if they spent that money on
> a new server instead (old was is a PE840) the’d see ROI in under six months.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Yesterday was their first day on the their new server and one maintenance
> job they would run at the end of the day went from 20 minutes to just under
> 5. That alone is 1hr 15mins/week gained  for that one employee. ~$100/mo
> saved right there.
>
> ** **
>
> If employee’s are idle waiting for the system to do something, that’s
> generally time they are not adding value.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:39 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: PC lifecycle?
>
> ** **
>
> You have to work the numbers.  How much downtime/lost productivity.  It's
> dependent on the situation.  As I said, our computers are in the hands of
> revenue producers.  When they're down, they aren't billing their time.
> They either have to make it up (morale issue) or it is lost productivity
> (money issue).  At current billing rates, it doesn't take long for an hour
> or two of downtime to justify some additional upfront expense.  If these
> are office drones, it's a bit harder to justify it from a cost-benefit
> perspective.
>
>  
>
> YMMV.
>
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>
> To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision
> maker, what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the
> length of the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6
> years, and that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of
> IT Pros here so curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4
> year refresh or you've been lucky enough to work for a company which
> pursues an aggressive refresh policy.
>
> Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target
> margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if
> a new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb? 
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> > My customers vary from 3-5, err’ing to the left. Whatever the choice,
> they generally have maintenance on the hardware.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Desmond
> >
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> >
> >
> >
> > w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: PC lifecycle?
> >
> >
> >
> > How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> >
> > 4? 5? 6 years?
> >
> > My oldest are a few from 2006.
> >
> > I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years

Re: PC lifecycle?

[cynicalgeek]

What kind of disk subsystem did you go with for the new server?  We are waiting 
on parts for a new SBS to run time matters 11 ent for a small office. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:42 AM, David Lum  wrote:

> That’s is how I sold my client on an SBS swing to new hardware, along the 
> lines of:
> “if your average employee compensation is xx/hr  and they are waiting nn 
> mins/day for the machine to boot and nn/mins/day while the server is 
> processing something the cost is $$/employee/day. If new hardware/software 
> cuts the total employee “wait” time by nn mins/day then multiplying that by 
> xx/hr you gain $$/day of production.
>  
> My client wanted to upgrade 10 of their 17 PC’s (their PC’s are 24yrs old) to 
> speed things up –but it was their SBS server that was getting flattened (SATA 
> drives running Exchange and SQL!), I said if they spent that money on a new 
> server instead (old was is a PE840) the’d see ROI in under six months.
>  
> Yesterday was their first day on the their new server and one maintenance job 
> they would run at the end of the day went from 20 minutes to just under 5. 
> That alone is 1hr 15mins/week gained  for that one employee. ~$100/mo saved 
> right there.
>  
> If employee’s are idle waiting for the system to do something, that’s 
> generally time they are not adding value.
>  
> Dave
>  
> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:39 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: PC lifecycle?
>  
> You have to work the numbers.  How much downtime/lost productivity.  It's 
> dependent on the situation.  As I said, our computers are in the hands of 
> revenue producers.  When they're down, they aren't billing their time.  They 
> either have to make it up (morale issue) or it is lost productivity (money 
> issue).  At current billing rates, it doesn't take long for an hour or two of 
> downtime to justify some additional upfront expense.  If these are office 
> drones, it's a bit harder to justify it from a cost-benefit perspective.
>  
> YMMV.
> 
>  
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Harry Singh  wrote:
> To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision maker, 
> what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the length 
> of the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6 years, and 
> that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of IT Pros here 
> so curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4 year refresh or 
> you've been lucky enough to work for a company which pursues an aggressive 
> refresh policy. 
> 
> Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target 
> margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if a 
> new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb?
> 
> 
> On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> > My customers vary from 3-5, err’ing to the left. Whatever the choice, they 
> > generally have maintenance on the hardware.
> >
> >  
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Desmond
> >
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> >
> >  
> >
> > w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
> >
> >  
> >
> > From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: PC lifecycle?
> >
> >  
> >
> > How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> >
> > 4? 5? 6 years?
> >
> > My oldest are a few from 2006.
> >
> > I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if 
> > heavy user/issues).
> >
> > I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get 
> > some idea as to what others do.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > .
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> > ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
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> > with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[James Rankin]

PCs from 1988? Holy cow

On 13 March 2012 14:42, David Lum  wrote:

> That’s is how I sold my client on an SBS swing to new hardware, along the
> lines of:
>
> “if your average employee compensation is xx/hr  and they are waiting nn
> mins/day for the machine to boot and nn/mins/day while the server is
> processing something the cost is $$/employee/day. If new hardware/software
> cuts the total employee “wait” time by nn mins/day then multiplying that by
> xx/hr you gain $$/day of production.
>
> ** **
>
> My client wanted to upgrade 10 of their 17 PC’s (their PC’s are 24yrs old)
> to speed things up –but it was their SBS server that was getting flattened
> (SATA drives running Exchange and SQL!), I said if they spent that money on
> a new server instead (old was is a PE840) the’d see ROI in under six months.
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Yesterday was their first day on the their new server and one maintenance
> job they would run at the end of the day went from 20 minutes to just under
> 5. That alone is 1hr 15mins/week gained  for that one employee. ~$100/mo
> saved right there.
>
> ** **
>
> If employee’s are idle waiting for the system to do something, that’s
> generally time they are not adding value.
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:39 AM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: PC lifecycle?
>
> ** **
>
> You have to work the numbers.  How much downtime/lost productivity.  It's
> dependent on the situation.  As I said, our computers are in the hands of
> revenue producers.  When they're down, they aren't billing their time.
> They either have to make it up (morale issue) or it is lost productivity
> (money issue).  At current billing rates, it doesn't take long for an hour
> or two of downtime to justify some additional upfront expense.  If these
> are office drones, it's a bit harder to justify it from a cost-benefit
> perspective.
>
>  
>
> YMMV.
>
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Harry Singh  wrote:
>
> To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision
> maker, what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the
> length of the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6
> years, and that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of
> IT Pros here so curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4
> year refresh or you've been lucky enough to work for a company which
> pursues an aggressive refresh policy.
>
> Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target
> margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if
> a new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb? 
>
>
>
> On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> > My customers vary from 3-5, err’ing to the left. Whatever the choice,
> they generally have maintenance on the hardware.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Desmond
> >
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> >
> >
> >
> > w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: PC lifecycle?
> >
> >
> >
> > How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> >
> > 4? 5? 6 years?
> >
> > My oldest are a few from 2006.
> >
> > I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years
> if heavy user/issues).
> >
> > I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
> some idea as to what others do.
> >
> > Thx
> >
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RE: PC lifecycle?

[David Lum]

That's is how I sold my client on an SBS swing to new hardware, along the lines 
of:
"if your average employee compensation is xx/hr  and they are waiting nn 
mins/day for the machine to boot and nn/mins/day while the server is processing 
something the cost is $$/employee/day. If new hardware/software cuts the total 
employee "wait" time by nn mins/day then multiplying that by xx/hr you gain 
$$/day of production.

My client wanted to upgrade 10 of their 17 PC's (their PC's are 24yrs old) to 
speed things up -but it was their SBS server that was getting flattened (SATA 
drives running Exchange and SQL!), I said if they spent that money on a new 
server instead (old was is a PE840) the'd see ROI in under six months.

Yesterday was their first day on the their new server and one maintenance job 
they would run at the end of the day went from 20 minutes to just under 5. That 
alone is 1hr 15mins/week gained  for that one employee. ~$100/mo saved right 
there.

If employee's are idle waiting for the system to do something, that's generally 
time they are not adding value.

Dave

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:39 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC lifecycle?

You have to work the numbers.  How much downtime/lost productivity.  It's 
dependent on the situation.  As I said, our computers are in the hands of 
revenue producers.  When they're down, they aren't billing their time.  They 
either have to make it up (morale issue) or it is lost productivity (money 
issue).  At current billing rates, it doesn't take long for an hour or two of 
downtime to justify some additional upfront expense.  If these are office 
drones, it's a bit harder to justify it from a cost-benefit perspective.

YMMV.


On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Harry Singh 
mailto:hbo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision maker, 
what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the length of 
the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6 years, and 
that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of IT Pros here so 
curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4 year refresh or you've 
been lucky enough to work for a company which pursues an aggressive refresh 
policy.

Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target 
margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if a 
new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb?


On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond 
mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> wrote:
> My customers vary from 3-5, err'ing to the left. Whatever the choice, they 
> generally have maintenance on the hardware.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> br...@briandesmond.com<mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>
>
>
>
> w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132
>
>
>
> From: David Mazzaccaro 
> [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com<mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com>]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: PC lifecycle?
>
>
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if 
> heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment...I'm just trying to get 
> some idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
> .
>
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Justin Thomas]

I work for an architectural firm, with architects, engineers, and graphic
designers. Like Jonathan the staff are the revenue producers, and they run
the latest in design software. If their computer isn't keeping up, we're
losing money. With a two year lease cycle we are able to respond to the
cycles of business since 1/8th of the computers are up for lease renewal
each quarter. Also this gives us a very homogeneous environment, since we
have standard hardware, and every nearly every workstation has the software
on it. The users can move from machine to machine/office to office with no
disruption. The helpdesk has few problems.

On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Harry Singh  wrote:

> To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision
> maker, what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the
> length of the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6
> years, and that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of
> IT Pros here so curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4
> year refresh or you've been lucky enough to work for a company which
> pursues an aggressive refresh policy.
>
> Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target
> margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if
> a new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb?
>
>
> On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> > My customers vary from 3-5, err’ing to the left. Whatever the choice,
> they generally have maintenance on the hardware.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Desmond
> >
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> >
> >
> >
> > w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: PC lifecycle?
> >
> >
> >
> > How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> >
> > 4? 5? 6 years?
> >
> > My oldest are a few from 2006.
> >
> > I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years
> if heavy user/issues).
> >
> > I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
> some idea as to what others do.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > .
> >
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Jonathan Link]

You have to work the numbers.  How much downtime/lost productivity.  It's
dependent on the situation.  As I said, our computers are in the hands of
revenue producers.  When they're down, they aren't billing their time.
They either have to make it up (morale issue) or it is lost productivity
(money issue).  At current billing rates, it doesn't take long for an hour
or two of downtime to justify some additional upfront expense.  If these
are office drones, it's a bit harder to justify it from a cost-benefit
perspective.

YMMV.


On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Harry Singh  wrote:

> To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision
> maker, what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the
> length of the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6
> years, and that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of
> IT Pros here so curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4
> year refresh or you've been lucky enough to work for a company which
> pursues an aggressive refresh policy.
>
> Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target
> margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if
> a new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb?
>
>
> On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> > My customers vary from 3-5, err’ing to the left. Whatever the choice,
> they generally have maintenance on the hardware.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian Desmond
> >
> > br...@briandesmond.com
> >
> >
> >
> > w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: PC lifecycle?
> >
> >
> >
> > How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> >
> > 4? 5? 6 years?
> >
> > My oldest are a few from 2006.
> >
> > I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years
> if heavy user/issues).
> >
> > I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
> some idea as to what others do.
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > .
> >
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Harry Singh]

To those who interface directly with your CFO/CEO or are the decision
maker, what reasoning/justification did you provide in order to shorten the
length of the refresh? I'm at a place that looks to refresh close to 5-6
years, and that's even  a fight sometimes. I know there is a wide range of
IT Pros here so curious to see if any actually had to "fight" for a 3-4
year refresh or you've been lucky enough to work for a company which
pursues an aggressive refresh policy.

Also, those that buy a refurb with 3 yr maintenance -- what's your target
margin of savings compared against buying a new machine? In other words, if
a new machine would cost $800 what's your target price for a refurb?


On Monday, March 12, 2012, Brian Desmond  wrote:
> My customers vary from 3-5, err’ing to the left. Whatever the choice,
they generally have maintenance on the hardware.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
>
>
> w – 312.625.1438 | c   – 312.731.3132
>
>
>
> From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: PC lifecycle?
>
>
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
some idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
> .
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RE: PC lifecycle?

[Brian Desmond]

My customers vary from 3-5, err'ing to the left. Whatever the choice, they 
generally have maintenance on the hardware.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC lifecycle?


How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?

4? 5? 6 years?

My oldest are a few from 2006.

I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if heavy 
user/issues).

I know it will depend on the business environment...I'm just trying to get some 
idea as to what others do.

Thx

.

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Re: PC lifecycle?

[James Rankin]

You could always repurpose old PCs as thin clients, if you have the need

http://www.brianmadden.com/blogs/gabeknuth/archive/2009/09/29/converting-pc-s-into-thin-clients-a-rundown-of-a-suddenly-crowded-niche.aspx

http://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/enterprise/products-and-technologies/virtualization/thinpc.aspx

http://www.xenappblog.com/2009/turn-old-pc-into-thin-client-for-free-version-1-1/



On 12 March 2012 13:04, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

>  We usually replace ours when they can’t handle the newest OS (in our
> case Windows 7) or when they no longer work.
>
>
>
> *From:* David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2012 2:13 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* PC lifecycle?
>
>
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
> heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
> some idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
>
> .
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RE: PC lifecycle?

[Ray]

We don't have a policy, but we're trying for about  4 years. 

 

From: Justin Thomas [mailto:jat...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 3:42 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: PC lifecycle?

 

two years

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:

How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?

4? 5? 6 years?

My oldest are a few from 2006.

I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
heavy user/issues).

I know it will depend on the business environment.I'm just trying to get
some idea as to what others do.

Thx


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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Jonathan Link]

Our life cycle is a function of revenue. Slow or unreliable computers have
a huge labor cost for us, as a CPA firm. If computers are too slow it also
becomes a morale/retention issue. The decision to extend life cycle to 4
years and SSDs go hand in hand. All of are computers are covered by
CompleteCare for the life of the unit I also keep a stable of spares from
computers taken out of service.

On Friday, March 9, 2012, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> We have been three years for notebooks and 4 years for desktops.  Our
environment is mostly notebooks.
>
> I'm planning to increase the lifecycle of notebooks to 4 years, since
there don't seem to be a lot of changes these past few years.  Also moving
to SSDs.
>
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:
>>
>> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>>
>> 4? 5? 6 years?
>>
>> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>>
>> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years
if heavy user/issues).
>>
>> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
some idea as to what others do.
>>
>> Thx
>>
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[John Cook]

Same here. We have 5 year old computers in production.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 04:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: PC lifecycle?

It used to be 3 years until the economy hit the crapper.  Now we drive ‘em 
until they die.

-Paul

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC lifecycle?


How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?

4? 5? 6 years?

My oldest are a few from 2006.

I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if heavy 
user/issues).

I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get some 
idea as to what others do.

Thx

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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro
 wrote:
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> 4? 5? 6 years?

  Varies.  We've got some that are prolly 10 years old, but all they
do is run the lightweight client for the ERP software for factory
floor job entry.  It's about one step up from a dumb terminal.  We
also tend to do a lot of hand-me-down.  Many of our users verge on
computer illiterate and don't need much.  The power users and bigwigs
get newer machines and get new ones more often.

-- Ben

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RE: [Bulk] RE: PC lifecycle?

[Orland, Kathleen]

I'm still running PC's that are P4's that were on site when I started here
more than 7 years ago. We drive them until they die and we replace with
used. For us it's budget as well. 

 

From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 4:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: [Bulk] RE: PC lifecycle?

 

It used to be 3 years until the economy hit the crapper.  Now we drive 'em
until they die.

 

-Paul

 

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC lifecycle?

 

How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?

4? 5? 6 years?

My oldest are a few from 2006.

I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
heavy user/issues).

I know it will depend on the business environment.I'm just trying to get
some idea as to what others do.

Thx


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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Steven Peck]

Our lease cycle was 3 years.  With the slowing down of hardware
requirements, etc, we are moving to a 4 year cycle for both servers and
desktops.  Laptops are still 3 year because they suffer a bit more travel
abuse but we are also reducing the amount of laptops through using Citrix,
etc.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> **
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
> heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
> some idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
>
> .
>
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Justin Thomas]

two years

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 2:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> **
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
> heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
> some idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
>
> .
>
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RE: PC lifecycle?

[Reimer, Mark]

I'm sure many of us have some older. Until recently, I had a DOS only machine. 
My current oldest is still running Windows 98. But I digress.

Some people (power users) I try to swap out at 3 - 4 years. Most go 5 or 6, 
some go longer (occasional email check or very light surfer).

Mark

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC lifecycle?


How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?

4? 5? 6 years?

My oldest are a few from 2006.

I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if heavy 
user/issues).

I know it will depend on the business environment...I'm just trying to get some 
idea as to what others do.

Thx

.

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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Troy Adkins]

We refresh every 4 years.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:45 PM, "David Mazzaccaro" 
 wrote:

> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> 
> 4? 5? 6 years?
> 
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
> 
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if 
> heavy user/issues).
> 
> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get some 
> idea as to what others do.
> 
> Thx
> 
> 
> 
> .
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Jonathan Link]

We have been three years for notebooks and 4 years for desktops.  Our
environment is mostly notebooks.

I'm planning to increase the lifecycle of notebooks to 4 years, since there
don't seem to be a lot of changes these past few years.  Also moving to
SSDs.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> **
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
> heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
> some idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
>
> .
>
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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Mike Sullivan]

At my work we keep them for 5 to 7 years. We buy decent laptops for our
Project Managers (currently the HP EliteBook 8560w) and they use them for 3
to 4 years before we replace them. Their laptops are then passed to the
foremen out in the field where they hopefully last a few more years.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 12:12 PM, David Mazzaccaro <
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com> wrote:

> **
>
> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
>
> 4? 5? 6 years?
>
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
>
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if
> heavy user/issues).
>
> I know it will depend on the business environment…I’m just trying to get
> some idea as to what others do.
>
> Thx
>
>
> .
>
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RE: PC lifecycle?

[Michael B. Smith]

I have one client that has (get ready to cringe) desktops that are 9 years old.

Most others attempt to replace in a 3-4 year cycle.

For me and my employees, it's about 2 years.

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 3:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC lifecycle?


How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?

4? 5? 6 years?

My oldest are a few from 2006.

I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if heavy 
user/issues).

I know it will depend on the business environment...I'm just trying to get some 
idea as to what others do.

Thx

.

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RE: PC lifecycle?

[David Lum]

%dayjob% starts cycling out at 3 years and very few make it past 4.  Org of 500+

%nightjob% I do 5 year cycle for the bigger client (55PC's) with some systems 
going to 6 (infrequent use role-assigned PC's).

In both cases the "newest of the old" are kept as immediate replacement 
stand-ins for KIA systems.

Dave

From: David Mazzaccaro [mailto:david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: PC lifecycle?


How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?

4? 5? 6 years?

My oldest are a few from 2006.

I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years if heavy 
user/issues).

I know it will depend on the business environment...I'm just trying to get some 
idea as to what others do.

Thx

.

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Re: PC lifecycle?

[Matthew W. Ross]

We would like to keep our systems on a 4 year lifecycle.

But, we also purchase refurbished computers with 3 year warranties. 
Occasionally we will get brand new systems.

Also, that does not mean we still have some computers from 2004 still in the 
field.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


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Subject: PC lifecycle?


> How long do you folks keep PCs and laptops in your organizations?
> 4? 5? 6 years?
> My oldest are a few from 2006.
> I am thinking I should start replacing after they hit 5 years (4 years
> if heavy user/issues).
> I know it will depend on the business environment...I'm just trying to
> get some idea as to what others do.
> Thx
> 
> 
> 
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