RE: Replacement for SteadyState
We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
Word. Domain-joined system but they auto-login as a local user that belongs to the guest group in Vista, with a few other lockdowns that mimic Steadystate. Public machines are a completely different can of worms, and even the above isn't perfect but I can go several months at a time (been almost a year I think at this point) before getting a call for support on them. Dave From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 7:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I'm glad someone asked. I always assumed I was missing something. We've got lab computers for a couple thousand students and have any issues to speak of. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Brian Desmond Sent: 1/6/2013 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
You could achieve much the same end with Citrix Provisioning Services, except you'd have the options of personal vDisk as well. I have to admit I'm not a fan of the DeepFreeze/SteadyState approaches - some threats don't need to be persistent beyond a reboot to wreak havoc. I'm more inclined towards good GPOs and app management coupled with maybe PVS and StrataApps. Cheers, JR Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: Glen Johnson gjohn...@vhcc.edu Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:42:08 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
And that's why there are choices. I could achieve the same with Citrix... but that's another expense, learning and such. Not saying it's good or bad, just that what we are using works well for us, so no plans to change at the moment. From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:40 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Replacement for SteadyState You could achieve much the same end with Citrix Provisioning Services, except you'd have the options of personal vDisk as well. I have to admit I'm not a fan of the DeepFreeze/SteadyState approaches - some threats don't need to be persistent beyond a reboot to wreak havoc. I'm more inclined towards good GPOs and app management coupled with maybe PVS and StrataApps. Cheers, JR Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY From: Glen Johnson gjohn...@vhcc.edumailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 13:42:08 + To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave.. then student 2 has access to student 1's account. Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1's stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
If they leave the computer locked, power it off and on. If they lose work - then learn not to leave it locked. Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -Original Message- From: Glen Johnson gjohn...@vhcc.edu Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:57:13 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
Yeah ... For all the universities I've worked at and had this discussion, this perceived problem has never morphed into an actual issue. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave.. then student 2 has access to student 1's account. Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1's stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
+1. Requires mindset change and buy-in of powers-that-be, which sometimes can be a hurdle... From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 7:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave.. then student 2 has access to student 1's account. Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1's stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
Yes, and after 10 times, the computer is corrupted and has to be reloaded, 10 calls to the helpdesk and wasted time. Not an issue with DeepFreeze. Power it off 100 times and still no corruption From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:15 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Replacement for SteadyState If they leave the computer locked, power it off and on. If they lose work - then learn not to leave it locked. Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY From: Glen Johnson gjohn...@vhcc.edumailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:57:13 + To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
If they lose work - then learn not to leave it locked. This exactly! As we use DeepFreeze in the labs, this is also how our students remember to not save to the desktop. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:15 AM, kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: If they leave the computer locked, power it off and on. If they lose work - then learn not to leave it locked. Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY -- *From: * Glen Johnson gjohn...@vhcc.edu *Date: *Mon, 7 Jan 2013 14:57:13 + *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: * NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We’ve talked about moving to a individual student login, but I’m not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don’t logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1’s account. ** ** *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** *Sure so scenarios where you’re teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I’d not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case.* * * *In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. * * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* * * *w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132* * * *From:* Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu gjohn...@vhcc.edu] *Sent:* Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here’s one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn’t like it, but is a beginner and doesn’t know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I’ve seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. ** ** I’m sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. ** ** *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.combr...@briandesmond.com] *Sent:* Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** *I’ve worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I’m not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated.* * * *The question I always pose (and usually don’t get much of a response to), is “what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn’t solve?”* * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* * * *w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132* * * *From:* Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu gjohn...@vhcc.edu] *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. ** ** *From:* Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.combambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Replacement for SteadyState ** ** Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. ** ** Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
Universities are a much different beast than primary and secondary schools. 1) Logging out was part of the Acceptable Use Policy, meaning it is the student's responsibility to log out. 2) Teachers were taught to double check that students logged out. 3) Teachers in labs, put it on their syllabus, and those who used labs regularly but were not actually in a lab, did so, as well, to remind students that not logging off could result in a loss of work. 4) Make sure that you give teachers some mechanism for resetting student passwords to some default password, and unlocking the account. This became a huge problem in the school I worked at previously. I had to roll my own solution at the time. Having a solution for this in place before you switch over will make life so much easier. 5) Disable locking of the computer for student accounts. I'm probably missing something, but it's been 7 years since I left that job. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.comwrote: *Yeah ... For all the universities I’ve worked at and had this discussion, this perceived problem has never morphed into an actual issue. * * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* * * *w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132* * * *From:* Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] *Sent:* Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** ** ** “…….. how do you handle situations where students don’t logout before they leave…… then student 2 has access to student 1’s account.” ** ** Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1’s stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. ** ** Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. ** ** I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do…. ** ** ** ** *From:* Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu gjohn...@vhcc.edu] *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We’ve talked about moving to a individual student login, but I’m not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don’t logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1’s account. ** ** *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.combr...@briandesmond.com] *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** *Sure so scenarios where you’re teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I’d not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case.* * * *In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. * * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* * * *w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132* * * *From:* Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu gjohn...@vhcc.edu] *Sent:* Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here’s one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn’t like it, but is a beginner and doesn’t know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I’ve seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. ** ** I’m sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. ** ** *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.combr...@briandesmond.com] *Sent:* Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** *I’ve worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I’m not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated.* * * *The question I always pose (and usually don’t get much of a response to), is “what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn’t solve?”* * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* * * *w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132* * * *From:* Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu gjohn...@vhcc.edu] *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM *To:* NT
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
When I worked for a K-12 (~450K students), we issued accounts to all students at any school that was using our central AD. I've seen the same practice at the other K-12 districts I've worked at. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 10:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Replacement for SteadyState Universities are a much different beast than primary and secondary schools. 1) Logging out was part of the Acceptable Use Policy, meaning it is the student's responsibility to log out. 2) Teachers were taught to double check that students logged out. 3) Teachers in labs, put it on their syllabus, and those who used labs regularly but were not actually in a lab, did so, as well, to remind students that not logging off could result in a loss of work. 4) Make sure that you give teachers some mechanism for resetting student passwords to some default password, and unlocking the account. This became a huge problem in the school I worked at previously. I had to roll my own solution at the time. Having a solution for this in place before you switch over will make life so much easier. 5) Disable locking of the computer for student accounts. I'm probably missing something, but it's been 7 years since I left that job. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com wrote: Yeah ... For all the universities I've worked at and had this discussion, this perceived problem has never morphed into an actual issue. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438tel:312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132tel:312.731.3132 From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.orgmailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave.. then student 2 has access to student 1's account. Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1's stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438tel:312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132tel:312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
Good to know. Now, the other biggie for use, user account management. We don't yet have an automated way to create/delete the accounts. Richmond is working on a system for that, but the vendor they contracted wants mega bucks to set up our server to sync with their domain. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Yeah ... For all the universities I've worked at and had this discussion, this perceived problem has never morphed into an actual issue. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave.. then student 2 has access to student 1's account. Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1's stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
Oh, I did it in the school I was in, too. I had a huge amount of resistance that needed to be overcome. On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.comwrote: *When I worked for a K-12 (~450K students), we issued accounts to all students at any school that was using our central AD. I’ve seen the same practice at the other K-12 districts I’ve worked at. * * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* br...@briandesmond.com** * * *w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132* * * *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Monday, January 7, 2013 10:12 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** Universities are a much different beast than primary and secondary schools. ** ** 1) Logging out was part of the Acceptable Use Policy, meaning it is the student's responsibility to log out. 2) Teachers were taught to double check that students logged out. 3) Teachers in labs, put it on their syllabus, and those who used labs regularly but were not actually in a lab, did so, as well, to remind students that not logging off could result in a loss of work. 4) Make sure that you give teachers some mechanism for resetting student passwords to some default password, and unlocking the account. This became a huge problem in the school I worked at previously. I had to roll my own solution at the time. Having a solution for this in place before you switch over will make life so much easier. 5) Disable locking of the computer for student accounts. ** ** I'm probably missing something, but it's been 7 years since I left that job. ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote: *Yeah ... For all the universities I’ve worked at and had this discussion, this perceived problem has never morphed into an actual issue. * * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* br...@briandesmond.com * * *w – **312.625.1438* 312.625.1438* | c – **312.731.3132* 312.731.3132* *** * * *From:* Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] *Sent:* Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState “…….. how do you handle situations where students don’t logout before they leave…… then student 2 has access to student 1’s account.” Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1’s stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do…. *From:* Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu gjohn...@vhcc.edu] *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We’ve talked about moving to a individual student login, but I’m not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don’t logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1’s account. *From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.combr...@briandesmond.com] *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState *Sure so scenarios where you’re teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I’d not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case.* * * *In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. * * * *Thanks,* *Brian Desmond* *br...@briandesmond.com* br...@briandesmond.com * * *w – **312.625.1438* 312.625.1438* | c – **312.731.3132* 312.731.3132* *** * * *From:* Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu gjohn...@vhcc.edu] *Sent:* Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here’s one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn’t like it, but is a beginner and doesn’t know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I’ve seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
I am K-12 so a different setup probably..but just to get you thinking. Do you have your own student information system? That contains everything you need I would think. Ours lists all the students, grade, school and student ID number. It is maintained in part by the State, our enrollment office and administrative staff. But it is complete and ready to go. We just export that info and powershell create the accounts. During the school year as students transfer in Media Techs (librarians) have a limited ADUC to create new student login accounts. Their home folders self-create. Media Techs can also change passwords, reset lockouts. I transitioned us to this about 4 years ago. It was a non-event and works well. I could take it a step further and do an auto export every night from the student information system and script deletions and new users but for the few we get it is not worth it. At the end of the school year I mass delete and start over fresh. From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Good to know. Now, the other biggie for use, user account management. We don't yet have an automated way to create/delete the accounts. Richmond is working on a system for that, but the vendor they contracted wants mega bucks to set up our server to sync with their domain. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Yeah ... For all the universities I've worked at and had this discussion, this perceived problem has never morphed into an actual issue. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave.. then student 2 has access to student 1's account. Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1's stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
FIM is dirt cheap for EDU. The services cost of an implementation to simply sync HR and SIS with AD is not a whole lot. If you want to do it quick and dirty, a PowerShell or VB Script that reads a flat file or view off your ERP system each night and syncs it with AD would be straight forward to write. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 11:13 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Good to know. Now, the other biggie for use, user account management. We don't yet have an automated way to create/delete the accounts. Richmond is working on a system for that, but the vendor they contracted wants mega bucks to set up our server to sync with their domain. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Yeah ... For all the universities I've worked at and had this discussion, this perceived problem has never morphed into an actual issue. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave.. then student 2 has access to student 1's account. Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1's stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed without admin rights, Google Chrome for example. Not a problem with Deep Freeze. I'm sure there are other ways to do this, but DeepFreeze works great in our environment. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 4:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
I could take it a step further and do an auto export every night from the student information system and script deletions and new users but for the few we get it is not worth it. At the end of the school year I mass delete and start over fresh. If you added that nightly sync, you wouldn't have to do the mass cleanup. A student's identity could persist throughout their relationship with your district. As long as you have the SIS primary key in AD (e.g. the student/empl ID), that sync should be really easy. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I am K-12 so a different setup probably..but just to get you thinking. Do you have your own student information system? That contains everything you need I would think. Ours lists all the students, grade, school and student ID number. It is maintained in part by the State, our enrollment office and administrative staff. But it is complete and ready to go. We just export that info and powershell create the accounts. During the school year as students transfer in Media Techs (librarians) have a limited ADUC to create new student login accounts. Their home folders self-create. Media Techs can also change passwords, reset lockouts. I transitioned us to this about 4 years ago. It was a non-event and works well. I could take it a step further and do an auto export every night from the student information system and script deletions and new users but for the few we get it is not worth it. At the end of the school year I mass delete and start over fresh. From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 12:20 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Good to know. Now, the other biggie for use, user account management. We don't yet have an automated way to create/delete the accounts. Richmond is working on a system for that, but the vendor they contracted wants mega bucks to set up our server to sync with their domain. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Yeah ... For all the universities I've worked at and had this discussion, this perceived problem has never morphed into an actual issue. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Kennedy, Jim [mailto:kennedy...@elyriaschools.org] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 9:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave.. then student 2 has access to student 1's account. Self-correcting problem. Student 2 deletes all of Students 1's stuff and Student 1 never does it again. With 7,000 students we have very little trouble with this issue actually. Also we set inactivity timeouts so they auto log out. I would not go with generic accounts. There is no accountability, no tracking of what they do From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:04 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState No on the student login. We use a generic account per classroom. We've talked about moving to a individual student login, but I'm not sure we need or want that. For others that have gone that route, how do you handle situations where students don't logout before they leave. You either have a locked computer, logged on as said student or if not locked, then student 2 has access to student 1's account. From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 9:32 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Sure so scenarios where you're teaching classes that require changes to the OS to accomplish the class makes good sense and I'd not argue against a solution like DeepFreeze in that case. In the case of things like wallpaper and user profile stuff, are you not using named user accounts for your students? That solves a bunch of this on the spot. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 7:42 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState We teach classes and let the students make any and all changes to the desktop environment. Here's one example. Student comes in and sets the desktop wallpaper to his favorite pinup gal. Next student doesn't like it, but is a beginner and doesn't know how to change it to something else. Reboot and the pin up gal is gone. Also, I've seen some programs/apps that can now be installed
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
thanks for all these responses! i have some guest PCs that are dead or dying that use XP Steady State. You have provided the answer and I didn't even have to ask! Love this list!! == == On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net wrote: 15 years ago we did something similar with Windows NT and the article blow explains the principal for Windows 7. If you can then use Windows 8 and you can build a system with a completely VHD based environment. If you add a Windows PE partition and a differencing disk then you can either lock down the machine, or allow for an open machine and a restore after a reboot. ** ** One day I’ll reply to a post and it will appear within an hour!! – can I claim the first “Frikin Lyris” of the year? ** ** Mike ** ** *From:* Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] *Sent:* 04 January 2013 18:02 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** There’s an article here about doing it: ** ** http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/windows-power-tools/replicating-steadystate-windows-7-129192 ** ** Mike ** ** *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.commich...@smithcons.com] *Sent:* 04 January 2013 17:13 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Replacement for SteadyState ** ** Boot from VHD with a differencing disk. ** ** *From:* Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.combambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] *Sent:* Friday, January 4, 2013 11:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Replacement for SteadyState ** ** Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. ** ** Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
I've worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I'm not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don't get much of a response to), is what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn't solve? Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w - 312.625.1438 | c - 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
I'm glad someone asked. I always assumed I was missing something. We've got lab computers for a couple thousand students and have any issues to speak of. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Brian Desmond Sent: 1/6/2013 3:36 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState I’ve worked at a lot of customers that use DeepFreeze and similar products and I’m not a huge fan of the concept in general. It makes the overall lifecycle maintenance of a desktop environment a heck of a lot more complicated. The question I always pose (and usually don’t get much of a response to), is “what problems/issues is DeepFreeze protecting you from that running as a local user wouldn’t solve?” Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com w – 312.625.1438 | c – 312.731.3132 From: Glen Johnson [mailto:gjohn...@vhcc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
I know our local school district uses Deep Freeze. On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Bambi J Saastad bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com wrote: Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
Have you looked at this document yet? http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24373 Also, have you considered going to Thin Clients and using RDS? Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America www.guardianlife.com From: Bambi J Saastad bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date: 01/04/2013 12:04 PM Subject:Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin - This message, and any attachments to it, may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or communication of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete the message and any attachments. Thank you. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage/jpeg
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
Boot from VHD with a differencing disk. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
SteadyState died with Vista, as I'm sure you're aware. The top dog in this field is Deep Freeze. I also have used the products by FotresGrand, in particular Fortres 101 (which is not exactly the same as Deep Freeze or SteadyState, but they do sell a product called Clean Slate which does what you want, I believe.) --Matt Ross Ephrata School District - Original Message - From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:36:04 -0800 Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Replacement for SteadyState
The campus I support has been using Faronics DeepFreeze in our labs for several years. http://www.faronics.com/ On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Bambi J Saastad bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com wrote: Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Organization and good planning are just crutches for people that can't handle stress and caffeine. - unknown ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
Not free, but we could not function at the school without DeepFreeze. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
http://www.steadierstate.com/ It's a Minassi creation John W. Cook Network Operations Manager Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
Or this: http://www.steadierstate.com/ Paul G. From: Christopher Bodnar [mailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com] Sent: 04 January 2013 17:09 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Replacement for SteadyState Have you looked at this document yet? http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24373 http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24373 Also, have you considered going to Thin Clients and using RDS? Christopher Bodnar Enterprise Architect I, Corporate Office of Technology:Enterprise Architecture and Engineering Services Tel 610-807-6459 3900 Burgess Place, Bethlehem, PA 18017 mailto: christopher_bod...@glic.com The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America http://www.guardianlife.com/ www.guardianlife.com From:Bambi J Saastad bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com To:NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Date:01/04/2013 12:04 PM Subject:Replacement for SteadyState _ Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadminimage001.jpg
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
There's an article here about doing it: http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/windows-power-tools/replicating-steadystate-windows-7-129192 Mike From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 04 January 2013 17:13 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Boot from VHD with a differencing disk. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Replacement for SteadyState
15 years ago we did something similar with Windows NT and the article blow explains the principal for Windows 7. If you can then use Windows 8 and you can build a system with a completely VHD based environment. If you add a Windows PE partition and a differencing disk then you can either lock down the machine, or allow for an open machine and a restore after a reboot. One day I'll reply to a post and it will appear within an hour!! - can I claim the first Frikin Lyris of the year? Mike From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:m...@drumbrae.net] Sent: 04 January 2013 18:02 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState There's an article here about doing it: http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/windows-power-tools/replicating-steadystate-windows-7-129192 Mike From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 04 January 2013 17:13 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Replacement for SteadyState Boot from VHD with a differencing disk. From: Bambi J Saastad [mailto:bambi.j.saas...@seagate.com] Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 11:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Replacement for SteadyState Hello I was wondering if any of you could suggest a replacement for SteadyState. I have a roomful of pc's that the factory users use for browsing etc that I am replacing with Windows 7 Pro that need to be locked down. Can anyone suggest a product that does the same thing, wipe out any changes on reboot? TIA B ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
