Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
Since it's ridiculously easy to stand up a server I see no reason to do an inplace upgrade ever[1]. Assuming your licensing is in shape, stand up a new VM, get it ready, transition services, and then decommission the old VM. [1] Licensing is the issue in this matter, if you're out of licenses standing up a VM may not be possible. Another point in favor of Datacenter Edition. 2011/10/4 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
We're already on Datacenter so licensing isn't an issue. Based on past experience I'm with you on it, but it's always worth a sanity check as if enough people tell me I'm living in the past and it's a non-issue these days, I'll listen. From: Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: 04 October 2011 8:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Since it's ridiculously easy to stand up a server I see no reason to do an inplace upgrade ever[1]. Assuming your licensing is in shape, stand up a new VM, get it ready, transition services, and then decommission the old VM. [1] Licensing is the issue in this matter, if you're out of licenses standing up a VM may not be possible. Another point in favor of Datacenter Edition. 2011/10/4 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukmailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
I've never had a good long term experience with an upgrade of any type. That being said you can't go from 32 bit to 64 bit http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd979563(WS.10).aspx John W. Cook System Administrator Partnership For Strong Families 5950 NW 1st Place Gainesville, Fl 32607 Office (352) 244-1610 Cell (352) 215-6944 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4 From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
I've always advised against in-place upgrades. I've done more than a few, and the only ones that went really well long term were the ones where I had built and maintained the original box myself, and then done the upgrade. A clean upgrade, when you can plan for it, it always better, IMO, unless there's some software running that you cannot install new to the new box. Having said that, 2008 to 2008 R2 is the easiest of the Windows upgrades (far better than Vista to Win7). * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * 2011/10/4 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
Even licensing may not be a major issue if you can migrate from the old to the new fast enough. Just don't activate the new until you've decommissioned the old. * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: Since it's ridiculously easy to stand up a server I see no reason to do an inplace upgrade ever[1]. Assuming your licensing is in shape, stand up a new VM, get it ready, transition services, and then decommission the old VM. [1] Licensing is the issue in this matter, if you're out of licenses standing up a VM may not be possible. Another point in favor of Datacenter Edition. 2011/10/4 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
As stated already my first choice is always to do a fresh install, but just as a note I have done a few in place upgrades with no problems. I had one Windows NT server that had an old accounting app on it that was still required. Installed before I got here, no installation disks and the company is out of business. I P2Vd that machine as a VMware VM, then did an in-place upgrade to Win 2003, then converted it to a Hyper-V VM and it is still running great. I also did a couple of in place upgrades of domain controllers when I had zero budget for new hardware, going from Win 2003 to Win 2008 32 bit and both in- place upgrades went smoothly. So while not my preferred choice, it can be done. Just make sure you have a backup of the machine before the upgrade just in case. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
IIRC, an upgrade from NT4 was the only way you could get Windows 2000 servers to not run IIS by default. That's probably the only reason I've ever used to upgrade, if I'm not totally mistaken and thinking of something completely different (was a long time ago) Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any moment -Original Message- From: Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 15:25:59 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I've always advised against in-place upgrades. I've done more than a few, and the only ones that went really well long term were the ones where I had built and maintained the original box myself, and then done the upgrade. A clean upgrade, when you can plan for it, it always better, IMO, unless there's some software running that you cannot install new to the new box. Having said that, 2008 to 2008 R2 is the easiest of the Windows upgrades (far better than Vista to Win7). * * *ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market… * 2011/10/4 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
Assuming there is some need to move the VM to 2008 that is motivating this, I would just stand up a new server. You would want to use 2008R2 and you can't do a 32bit - 64bit upgrade anyway. I have a few VMs that were migrated P2V that are running 2003 and will probably continue to run 2003 for some time due to installed application support issues. BF From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
I'm starting to detect a theme in the responses New servers it is then. Licensing isn't an issue and I know you can't upgrade from 32bit to 64bit so at some point they would need to be rebuilt anyway. Thanks all. From: Bob Fronk [b...@btrfronk.com] Sent: 04 October 2011 8:32 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Assuming there is some need to move the VM to 2008 that is motivating this, I would just stand up a new server. You would want to use 2008R2 and you can’t do a 32bit – 64bit upgrade anyway. I have a few VMs that were migrated P2V that are running 2003 and will probably continue to run 2003 for some time due to installed application support issues. BF From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 3:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
Since it practically takes a button push to deploy a fresh OS, I always stick with that. Eg, Templates in Virtualization, or Syspreped images, etc. That and the warm, fuzzy feeling you get with a new OS install. It's like getting a new kitten. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul _ MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
It's like getting a new kitten. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Since it practically takes a button push to deploy a fresh OS, I always stick with that. Eg, Templates in Virtualization, or Syspreped images, etc. That and the warm, fuzzy feeling you get with a new OS install. It's like getting a new kitten. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
Then they get old and poop in unexpected places. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: “ It’s like getting a new kitten.” ** ** *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:04 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? ** ** Since it practically takes a button push to deploy a fresh OS, I always stick with that. ** ** Eg, Templates in Virtualization, or Syspreped images, etc. ** ** That and the warm, fuzzy feeling you get with a new OS install. It’s like getting a new kitten. ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? ** ** I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. ** ** Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. ** ** I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? ** ** As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. ** ** I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. ** ** Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* ** ** Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 ** ** The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
Like people From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Then they get old and poop in unexpected places. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: It's like getting a new kitten. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.commailto:sca...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Since it practically takes a button push to deploy a fresh OS, I always stick with that. Eg, Templates in Virtualization, or Syspreped images, etc. That and the warm, fuzzy feeling you get with a new OS install. It's like getting a new kitten. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
And hairballsforgot to mention the hairballs. People don't (usually) have those. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: Like people ** ** *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:28 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? ** ** Then they get old and poop in unexpected places. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: “ It’s like getting a new kitten.” *From:* Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:04 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Since it practically takes a button push to deploy a fresh OS, I always stick with that. Eg, Templates in Virtualization, or Syspreped images, etc. That and the warm, fuzzy feeling you get with a new OS install. It’s like getting a new kitten. *From:* Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:01 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ** ** ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
Well that depends on how much p... Oh never mind, wrong list for that. BF From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 4:35 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? And hairballsforgot to mention the hairballs. People don't (usually) have those. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:32 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: Like people From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:28 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Then they get old and poop in unexpected places. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: It's like getting a new kitten. From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sca...@gmail.commailto:sca...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 1:04 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Since it practically takes a button push to deploy a fresh OS, I always stick with that. Eg, Templates in Virtualization, or Syspreped images, etc. That and the warm, fuzzy feeling you get with a new OS install. It's like getting a new kitten. From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]mailto:[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 2:01 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul MIRA Ltd Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana
Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
The one and only time I tired to upgrade a server was 2003 to 2008 and there were so many quirks in the upgraded machine I just rebuilt the machine. It was a VM if that matters. Jon On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukwrote: We're already on Datacenter so licensing isn't an issue. Based on past experience I'm with you on it, but it's always worth a sanity check as if enough people tell me I'm living in the past and it's a non-issue these days, I'll listen. -- *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 04 October 2011 8:07 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Since it's ridiculously easy to stand up a server I see no reason to do an inplace upgrade ever[1]. Assuming your licensing is in shape, stand up a new VM, get it ready, transition services, and then decommission the old VM. [1] Licensing is the issue in this matter, if you're out of licenses standing up a VM may not be possible. Another point in favor of Datacenter Edition. 2011/10/4 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
P2V is pretty much the same, I avoid it wherever possible. I've seen far too many P2V'ed citrix servers. Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any moment -Original Message- From: Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:18:54 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Reply-To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.comSubject: Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? The one and only time I tired to upgrade a server was 2003 to 2008 and there were so many quirks in the upgraded machine I just rebuilt the machine. It was a VM if that matters. Jon On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukwrote: We're already on Datacenter so licensing isn't an issue. Based on past experience I'm with you on it, but it's always worth a sanity check as if enough people tell me I'm living in the past and it's a non-issue these days, I'll listen. -- *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 04 October 2011 8:07 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Since it's ridiculously easy to stand up a server I see no reason to do an inplace upgrade ever[1]. Assuming your licensing is in shape, stand up a new VM, get it ready, transition services, and then decommission the old VM. [1] Licensing is the issue in this matter, if you're out of licenses standing up a VM may not be possible. Another point in favor of Datacenter Edition. 2011/10/4 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences?
I have done a few P2V for machines that really could not be rebuilt did not like it either but last I heard they were still available to be run if needed. The hardware was just too old and too far out of date to keep the machines any other way. The original software developer quit the company that sold us the software and no one else knew how to fix the install issues. They always had to get on the phone unless the user was a DA and gave the machine and all users God status. Jon On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 6:21 PM, kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: ** P2V is pretty much the same, I avoid it wherever possible. I've seen far too many P2V'ed citrix servers. Sent from my POS BlackBerry wireless device, which may wipe itself at any moment -- *From: * Jon Harris jk.har...@gmail.com *Date: *Tue, 4 Oct 2011 18:18:54 -0400 *To: *NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *ReplyTo: * NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com *Subject: *Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? The one and only time I tired to upgrade a server was 2003 to 2008 and there were so many quirks in the upgraded machine I just rebuilt the machine. It was a VM if that matters. Jon On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.ukwrote: We're already on Datacenter so licensing isn't an issue. Based on past experience I'm with you on it, but it's always worth a sanity check as if enough people tell me I'm living in the past and it's a non-issue these days, I'll listen. -- *From:* Jonathan Link [jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 04 October 2011 8:07 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Upgrading Windows in-place - your experiences? Since it's ridiculously easy to stand up a server I see no reason to do an inplace upgrade ever[1]. Assuming your licensing is in shape, stand up a new VM, get it ready, transition services, and then decommission the old VM. [1] Licensing is the issue in this matter, if you're out of licenses standing up a VM may not be possible. Another point in favor of Datacenter Edition. 2011/10/4 Paul Hutchings paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk I haven't upgraded a Windows Server install for years now as typically with physical boxes the box gets replaced after a three year period so the OS is rebuilt/refreshed. Virtualisation has changed that somewhat as we now have VM's with a potentially infinite physical life, and as a result I have quite a few that are still running Windows 2003. I may rebuild them all with 2008 R2 which also solves the fact that right now they're 32bit, but what are peoples experiences of upgrading Windows in-place? As I said I've not had to do so for years now so I'm out of touch with how good/bad of an experience it is these days? The one potentially nice thing is that other than any third-party apps, the VM's are about as clean as you can get, no HP PSP or suchlike to have to deal with. I should add we're talking small role-specific VM's here, nothing crazy like Exchange. Thanks, Paul -- *MIRA Ltd* Watling Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire, CV10 0TU, England Registered in England and Wales No. 402570 VAT Registration GB 100 1464 84 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you receive this e-mail in error, please delete it and notify us either by e-mail, telephone or fax. You should not copy, forward or otherwise disclose the content of the e-mail as this is prohibited. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T
