Re: FOREIGN: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Steve Ens]

I ran BC's Quest for Tires on my old 8088.  Dual floppies, upgraded that
beast to 256K RAM.  BUT, i had a colour monitor.  That was the cat's meow.

2009/4/29 Free, Bob 

> ... Windows 2.1 AKA Windows/286...still have a package floating around
> somewhere in the fossil collection. Had an engineer I worked with who tried
> to run it on an IBM 8088...LOL
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:13 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FOREIGN: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
> No... sorry, now that I think about it, I think it was Windows 386. :-)
> Prior to Windows 3.1 or 3.11. :-) It was actually even more primitive than
> Windows 3.1. :-)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 12:37 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: FOREIGN: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
> Windows 3.5??
>
> Or WinNT 3.5?
>
>
> -sc
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:08 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
> Well, you guys have me beat: I didn't get a computer until I was in
> college.
> I had a Commodore Colt PC  compatible (8086) with dual 5.25" floppies and
> MCGA graphics: and I thought I was hot stuff. Until I won an IBM PC in a
> drawing. This PC was one that had a whopping 25 MB hard drive and Windows
> 3.5. J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Lee Douglas [mailto:lee.doug...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:03 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> HP 85 with a tape drive, followed by HP 250 and then a big step up to a
> Panasonic Sr. Partner with 2 floppy drives!
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Cameron Cooper 
> wrote:
>
> Umm.. vaguely.
>
>
>
> _
>
> Cameron Cooper
>
> IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-40  T  а а Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
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>
> From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:28 AM
>
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>
> Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Do you remember the DX-64? Was the SX-64 but with two floppy drives.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Cameron Cooper 
> wrote:
>
> Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> Cameron Cooper
>
> IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM
>
>
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
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>
> I miss Commodore.
>
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>
> But do  АЩt get me started down Memory La  т ж
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Althou  т ж back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
>
>
>
> _
>
> Cameron Cooper
>
> IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
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> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> 06:37:00
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> 06:37:00
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> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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RE: FOREIGN: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Free, Bob]

... Windows 2.1 AKA Windows/286...still have a package floating around 
somewhere in the fossil collection. Had an engineer I worked with who tried to 
run it on an IBM 8088...LOL

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:13 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FOREIGN: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

No... sorry, now that I think about it, I think it was Windows 386. :-)
Prior to Windows 3.1 or 3.11. :-) It was actually even more primitive than
Windows 3.1. :-)



-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 12:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: FOREIGN: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Windows 3.5??

Or WinNT 3.5?


-sc

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Well, you guys have me beat: I didn't get a computer until I was in college.
I had a Commodore Colt PC  compatible (8086) with dual 5.25" floppies and
MCGA graphics: and I thought I was hot stuff. Until I won an IBM PC in a
drawing. This PC was one that had a whopping 25 MB hard drive and Windows
3.5. J

 



 

From: Lee Douglas [mailto:lee.doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

HP 85 with a tape drive, followed by HP 250 and then a big step up to a
Panasonic Sr. Partner with 2 floppy drives!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Umm.. vaguely.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-40  T  а а Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:28 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Do you remember the DX-64? Was the SX-64 but with two floppy drives.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But do  АЩt get me started down Memory La  т ж

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Althou  т ж back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.8/2086 - Release Date: 04/29/09
06:37:00

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.323 / Virus Database: 270.12.8/2086 - Release Date: 04/29/09
06:37:00

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: FOREIGN: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[John Aldrich]

No... sorry, now that I think about it, I think it was Windows 386. :-)
Prior to Windows 3.1 or 3.11. :-) It was actually even more primitive than
Windows 3.1. :-)



-Original Message-
From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 12:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: FOREIGN: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Windows 3.5??

Or WinNT 3.5?


-sc

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Well, you guys have me beat: I didn't get a computer until I was in college.
I had a Commodore Colt PC  compatible (8086) with dual 5.25" floppies and
MCGA graphics: and I thought I was hot stuff. Until I won an IBM PC in a
drawing. This PC was one that had a whopping 25 MB hard drive and Windows
3.5. J

 



 

From: Lee Douglas [mailto:lee.doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

HP 85 with a tape drive, followed by HP 250 and then a big step up to a
Panasonic Sr. Partner with 2 floppy drives!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Umm.. vaguely.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-40  T  а а Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:28 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Do you remember the DX-64? Was the SX-64 but with two floppy drives.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But do  АЩt get me started down Memory La  т ж

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Althou  т ж back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.8/2086 - Release Date: 04/29/09
06:37:00

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 8.5.323 / Virus Database: 270.12.8/2086 - Release Date: 04/29/09
06:37:00

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Steven M. Caesare]

Windows 3.5??

Or WinNT 3.5?


-sc

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Well, you guys have me beat: I didn't get a computer until I was in college. I 
had a Commodore Colt PC  compatible (8086) with dual 5.25" floppies and MCGA 
graphics: and I thought I was hot stuff. Until I won an IBM PC in a drawing. 
This PC was one that had a whopping 25 MB hard drive and Windows 3.5. J

 



 

From: Lee Douglas [mailto:lee.doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

HP 85 with a tape drive, followed by HP 250 and then a big step up to a 
Panasonic Sr. Partner with 2 floppy drives!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Umm.. vaguely.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-40  T  а а Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:28 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Do you remember the DX-64? Was the SX-64 but with two floppy drives.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But do  АЩt get me started down Memory La  т ж

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Althou  т ж back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.8/2086 - Release Date: 04/29/09 
06:37:00

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Steven M. Caesare]

Geos FTW!


-sc

-Original Message-
From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But don’t get me started down Memory Lane…

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Although… back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Steven M. Caesare]

Getting the volume correct was an art. The tape drive on our AppleII+ in school 
had a whiteout stripe on the volume knob for loading Lemonade...


-sc

-Original Message-
From: Steven Peck 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 6:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I do not miss tape loaders.  I had a C64 with a tape drive (ARG!).
Saved money from my paper route and bought a floppy drive.  I so
wanted a C128 but never got it.  Eventually I got an Amiga 1000.

TRS80s (floppy drives that ate the disks) in school with Apple II, II+ and IIe

Steven


On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Gene Giannamore
 wrote:
> I miss loading games on my dad's trs80 model 1 from cassette. I also miss 
> modifying the basic code for the star trek game, and storing it back to 
> cassette. That was right after I learned basic on the vic20, in junior high.
>
>
>
>
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> Abide International Inc.
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
> Ahh, backing up to 25 x 5 ¼'s using xcopy in Dos 6.22
>
> That was a step up from reel to reel.  I bet it was more fun to watch them 
> spin though..
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data 
> General mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. 
> I miss reel-to-reel backup tapes.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Systems Engineer - Information Services
>
> Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
>
> 431 W. Lancaster Avenue
>
> Devon, PA 19333
>
> Direct: (610) 993-3299
>
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>
> don.gu...@prufoxroach.com
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> From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
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> Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day.
>
>
>
> My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
> dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out 
> by Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.
>
>
>
> Sean Rector, MCSE
>
>
>
> From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I miss Commodore.
>
>
>
> But don't get me started down Memory Lane.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Although. back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
>
>
>
> _
>
> Cameron Cooper
>
> IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
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Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Lee Douglas]

HP 85 with a tape drive, followed by HP 250 and then a big step up to a
Panasonic Sr. Partner with 2 floppy drives!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

>  Umm.. vaguely.
>
>
>
> _
>
> *Cameron Cooper*
>
> *IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified*
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-40  ┬  а а Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:28 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Do you remember the DX-64? Was the SX-64 but with two floppy drives.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Cameron Cooper 
> wrote:
>
> Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.
>
>
>
> _
>
> *Cameron Cooper*
>
> *IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified*
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I miss Commodore.
>
>
>
> But do  АЩt get me started down Memory La  т ж
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Althou  т ж back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
>
>
>
> _
>
> *Cameron Cooper*
>
> *IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified*
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[John Aldrich]

Well, you guys have me beat: I didn't get a computer until I was in college.
I had a Commodore Colt PC  compatible (8086) with dual 5.25" floppies and
MCGA graphics: and I thought I was hot stuff. Until I won an IBM PC in a
drawing. This PC was one that had a whopping 25 MB hard drive and Windows
3.5. J

 

John-AldrichTile-Tools

 

From: Lee Douglas [mailto:lee.doug...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:03 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

HP 85 with a tape drive, followed by HP 250 and then a big step up to a
Panasonic Sr. Partner with 2 floppy drives!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Umm.. vaguely.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-40  T  а а Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:28 AM


To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Do you remember the DX-64? Was the SX-64 but with two floppy drives.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But do  АЩt get me started down Memory La  т ж

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Althou  т ж back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[John Hornbuckle]

I was an Ultima IV kid. I can't tell you the hours I spent playing that.

What programmers in those days could squeeze out of 64k is just amazing.



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 9:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Commodore 64 playing the Ultima series...
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Cameron Cooper 
mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com>> wrote:
Ah yes... Apple II and C64's playing Oregon Trail in grade school... those were 
the days.

_
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com<mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com>
-Original Message-
From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com<mailto:sep...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I do not miss tape loaders.  I had a C64 with a tape drive (ARG!).
Saved money from my paper route and bought a floppy drive.  I so
wanted a C128 but never got it.  Eventually I got an Amiga 1000.

TRS80s (floppy drives that ate the disks) in school with Apple II, II+ and IIe

Steven


On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Gene Giannamore
mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com>>
 wrote:
> I miss loading games on my dad's trs80 model 1 from cassette. I also miss 
> modifying the basic code for the star trek game, and storing it back to 
> cassette. That was right after I learned basic on the vic20, in junior high.
>
>
>
>
> Gene Giannamore
> Abide International Inc.
> Technical Support
> 561 1st Street West
> Sonoma,Ca.95476
> (707) 935-1577Office
> (707) 935-9387Fax
> (707) 766-4185Cell
> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com<mailto:gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com>
> www.abideinternational.com<http://www.abideinternational.com/>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net<mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net> 
> [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net<mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net>]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
> Ahh, backing up to 25 x 5 ¼'s using xcopy in Dos 6.22
>
> That was a step up from reel to reel.  I bet it was more fun to watch them 
> spin though..
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> From: Don Guyer 
> [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com<mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data 
> General mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. 
> I miss reel-to-reel backup tapes.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Systems Engineer - Information Services
>
> Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
>
> 431 W. Lancaster Avenue
>
> Devon, PA 19333
>
> Direct: (610) 993-3299
>
> Fax: (610) 650-5306
>
> don.gu...@prufoxroach.com<mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com>
>
>
>
> From: Sean Rector 
> [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org<mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org>]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day.
>
>
>
> My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
> dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out 
> by Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.
>
>
>
> Sean Rector, MCSE
>
>
>
> From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net<mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net> 
> [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net<mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net>]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle 
> [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us<mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I miss Commodore.
>
>
>
> But don't get me started down Memory Lane.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com<mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> S

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Cameron Cooper]

Umm.. vaguely.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com <mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com> 

 

From: Daniel Rodriguez [mailto:drod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Do you remember the DX-64? Was the SX-64 but with two floppy drives.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM 


To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But dot get me started down Memory Lan

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Althou� back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Daniel Rodriguez]

Do you remember the DX-64? Was the SX-64 but with two floppy drives.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

>  Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.
>
>
>
> _
>
> *Cameron Cooper*
>
> *IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified*
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I miss Commodore.
>
>
>
> But don’t get me started down Memory Lane…
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Although… back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
>
>
>
> _
>
> *Cameron Cooper*
>
> *IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified*
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Kent, Larry CTR USA IMCOM]

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

What you rolled back then wasn't computers...:)

-Original Message-
From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE



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Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Jonathan Link]

Commodore 64 playing the Ultima series...

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

> Ah yes... Apple II and C64's playing Oregon Trail in grade school... those
> were the days.
>
> _
> Cameron Cooper
> IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
> Aurico Reports, Inc
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:54 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
> I do not miss tape loaders.  I had a C64 with a tape drive (ARG!).
> Saved money from my paper route and bought a floppy drive.  I so
> wanted a C128 but never got it.  Eventually I got an Amiga 1000.
>
> TRS80s (floppy drives that ate the disks) in school with Apple II, II+ and
> IIe
>
> Steven
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Gene Giannamore
>  wrote:
> > I miss loading games on my dad's trs80 model 1 from cassette. I also miss
> modifying the basic code for the star trek game, and storing it back to
> cassette. That was right after I learned basic on the vic20, in junior high.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gene Giannamore
> > Abide International Inc.
> > Technical Support
> > 561 1st Street West
> > Sonoma,Ca.95476
> > (707) 935-1577Office
> > (707) 935-9387Fax
> > (707) 766-4185Cell
> > gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
> > www.abideinternational.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:45 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
> >
> > Ahh, backing up to 25 x 5 ¼'s using xcopy in Dos 6.22
> >
> > That was a step up from reel to reel.  I bet it was more fun to watch
> them spin though..
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data
> General mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today.
> I miss reel-to-reel backup tapes.
> >
> >
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
> > Don Guyer
> >
> > Systems Engineer - Information Services
> >
> > Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
> >
> > 431 W. Lancaster Avenue
> >
> > Devon, PA 19333
> >
> > Direct: (610) 993-3299
> >
> > Fax: (610) 650-5306
> >
> > don.gu...@prufoxroach.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
> >
> >
> >
> > Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day.
> >
> >
> >
> > My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at
> my dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought
> out by Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space
> Telescope.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sean Rector, MCSE
> >
> >
> >
> > From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
> >
> >
> >
> > Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
> >
> >
> >
> > I miss Commodore.
> >
> >
> >
> > But don't get me started down Memory Lane.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
> >
> >
> >
> > Although. back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
> >
> >
> >
> > _
> >
> > Cameron Cooper

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Cameron Cooper]

Ah yes... Apple II and C64's playing Oregon Trail in grade school... those were 
the days.

_
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com

-Original Message-
From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I do not miss tape loaders.  I had a C64 with a tape drive (ARG!).
Saved money from my paper route and bought a floppy drive.  I so
wanted a C128 but never got it.  Eventually I got an Amiga 1000.

TRS80s (floppy drives that ate the disks) in school with Apple II, II+ and IIe

Steven


On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Gene Giannamore
 wrote:
> I miss loading games on my dad's trs80 model 1 from cassette. I also miss 
> modifying the basic code for the star trek game, and storing it back to 
> cassette. That was right after I learned basic on the vic20, in junior high.
>
>
>
>
> Gene Giannamore
> Abide International Inc.
> Technical Support
> 561 1st Street West
> Sonoma,Ca.95476
> (707) 935-1577    Office
> (707) 935-9387    Fax
> (707) 766-4185    Cell
> gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
> www.abideinternational.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
> Ahh, backing up to 25 x 5 ¼'s using xcopy in Dos 6.22
>
> That was a step up from reel to reel.  I bet it was more fun to watch them 
> spin though..
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data 
> General mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. 
> I miss reel-to-reel backup tapes.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Systems Engineer - Information Services
>
> Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
>
> 431 W. Lancaster Avenue
>
> Devon, PA 19333
>
> Direct: (610) 993-3299
>
> Fax: (610) 650-5306
>
> don.gu...@prufoxroach.com
>
>
>
> From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day.
>
>
>
> My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
> dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out 
> by Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.
>
>
>
> Sean Rector, MCSE
>
>
>
> From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I miss Commodore.
>
>
>
> But don't get me started down Memory Lane.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Although. back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
>
>
>
> _
>
> Cameron Cooper
>
> IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021    Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Information Technology Manager
> Virginia Opera Association
>
> E-Mail:         sean.rec...@vaopera.org <mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org>
> Phone:        (757) 213-4548 (direct line)
> {+}
>
> Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season <http://www.vaopera.org>  The One 
> You Love
> Celebrate with a 2009-2010 Subscription: La Bohème 
> <http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera1.cfm> , The Daughter of the 
> Regiment <http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera2.cfm> , Don 
> Giovanni <http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera3.cfm>  and Porgy 
> and BessSM 

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Steven Peck]

I do not miss tape loaders.  I had a C64 with a tape drive (ARG!).
Saved money from my paper route and bought a floppy drive.  I so
wanted a C128 but never got it.  Eventually I got an Amiga 1000.

TRS80s (floppy drives that ate the disks) in school with Apple II, II+ and IIe

Steven


On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Gene Giannamore
 wrote:
> I miss loading games on my dad's trs80 model 1 from cassette. I also miss 
> modifying the basic code for the star trek game, and storing it back to 
> cassette. That was right after I learned basic on the vic20, in junior high.
>
>
>
>
> Gene Giannamore
> Abide International Inc.
> Technical Support
> 561 1st Street West
> Sonoma,Ca.95476
> (707) 935-1577    Office
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
> Ahh, backing up to 25 x 5 ¼'s using xcopy in Dos 6.22
>
> That was a step up from reel to reel.  I bet it was more fun to watch them 
> spin though..
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data 
> General mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. 
> I miss reel-to-reel backup tapes.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Systems Engineer - Information Services
>
> Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
>
> 431 W. Lancaster Avenue
>
> Devon, PA 19333
>
> Direct: (610) 993-3299
>
> Fax: (610) 650-5306
>
> don.gu...@prufoxroach.com
>
>
>
> From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day.
>
>
>
> My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
> dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out 
> by Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.
>
>
>
> Sean Rector, MCSE
>
>
>
> From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.
>
>
>
> From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I miss Commodore.
>
>
>
> But don't get me started down Memory Lane.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Although. back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
>
>
>
> _
>
> Cameron Cooper
>
> IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021    Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Information Technology Manager
> Virginia Opera Association
>
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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Gene Giannamore]

I miss loading games on my dad's trs80 model 1 from cassette. I also miss 
modifying the basic code for the star trek game, and storing it back to 
cassette. That was right after I learned basic on the vic20, in junior high.




Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
(707) 935-9387Fax
(707) 766-4185Cell
gene.giannam...@abideinternational.com
www.abideinternational.com



-Original Message-
From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:45 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Ahh, backing up to 25 x 5 ¼'s using xcopy in Dos 6.22

That was a step up from reel to reel.  I bet it was more fun to watch them spin 
though..

 

Greg

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data General 
mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. I miss 
reel-to-reel backup tapes.

 

J

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day.

 

My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out by 
Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But don't get me started down Memory Lane.

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Although. back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[David Lum]

51?  :)  True geeks chewed on tubes that used to be in radios, TV's etc :-P


Dave

From: Murray Freeman [mailto:mfree...@alanet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

As usual, these discussions go off topic, but I appreciate all the answers so 
far. But as long as we're going back into history, I remember cutting my teeth 
on IBM 604 machines, programming by wiring boards. then on to the more 
"sophisticated machines like the 7070 and the famous 1401. BTW, I still have a 
Commodore 64 at home in storage. I guess I should add that I've been in the 
computer field for nearly 50 years, so I'll just let you guys guess my age! LOL


Murray



From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
Oh man...prior to Interdata, he was at DG - at that time, he was designing the 
boards being put in them.

Sean Rector, MCSE

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data General 
mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. I miss 
reel-to-reel backup tapes...

:)

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer - Information Services
Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Direct: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
don.gu...@prufoxroach.com<mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com>

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day...

My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out by 
Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.

Sean Rector, MCSE

From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I miss Commodore.

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...


From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

_
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com<mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com>












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Virginia Opera Association

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org<mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org>
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
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Giovanni<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera3.cfm> and Porgy and 
BessSM<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera4.cfm>
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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[David Lum]

ACK!   My first tech job was running nightly batch jobs, tweaking the JCL's to 
get the reports to sequence a nth better, and swapping reel-to-reels...

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data General 
mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. I miss 
reel-to-reel backup tapes...

:)

Don Guyer
Systems Engineer - Information Services
Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
431 W. Lancaster Avenue
Devon, PA 19333
Direct: (610) 993-3299
Fax: (610) 650-5306
don.gu...@prufoxroach.com<mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com>

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day...

My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out by 
Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.

Sean Rector, MCSE

From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I miss Commodore.

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...


From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

_
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com<mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com>












Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org<mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org>
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
{+}
Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season<http://www.vaopera.org> The One You 
Love
Celebrate with a 2009-2010 Subscription: La 
Bohème<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera1.cfm>, The Daughter of 
the Regiment<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera2.cfm>, Don 
Giovanni<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera3.cfm> and Porgy and 
BessSM<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera4.cfm>
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Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Vicky Spelshaus]

ahh the days of dip switches when you upgraded anything oh and later the
joy of a 24(?) disk install of Borland Office where the very last floppy was
bad.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Steve Ens  wrote:

> 24?
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Murray Freeman wrote:
>
>>  As usual, these discussions go off topic, but I appreciate all the
>> answers so far. But as long as we're going back into history, I remember
>> cutting my teeth on IBM 604 machines, programming by wiring boards. then on
>> to the more "sophisticated machines like the 7070 and the famous 1401. BTW,
>> I still have a Commodore 64 at home in storage. I guess I should add that
>> I've been in the computer field for nearly 50 years, so I'll just let you
>> guys guess my age! LOL
>>
>>
>> *Murray*
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  *From:* Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:46 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>>
>>Oh man…prior to Interdata, he was at DG – at that time, he was
>> designing the boards being put in them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sean Rector, MCSE
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data
>> General mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today.
>> I miss reel-to-reel backup tapes…
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> Don Guyer
>>
>> Systems Engineer - Information Services
>>
>> Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
>>
>> 431 W. Lancaster Avenue
>>
>> Devon, PA 19333
>>
>> Direct: (610) 993-3299
>>
>> Fax: (610) 650-5306
>>
>> don.gu...@prufoxroach.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>>
>>
>>
>> Commodore PET & CBM – that’s how *I* rolled back in the day…
>>
>>
>>
>> My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at
>> my dad’s office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought
>> out by Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that’s in the Hubble Space
>> Telescope.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sean Rector, MCSE
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>>
>>
>>
>> Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>>
>>
>>
>> I miss Commodore.
>>
>>
>>
>> But don’t get me started down Memory Lane…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>>
>>
>>
>> Although… back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> _
>>
>> *Cameron Cooper*
>>
>> *IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified*
>>
>> Aurico Reports, Inc
>>
>> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>>
>> ccoo...@aurico.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Information Technology Manager
>> Virginia Opera Association
>>
>> E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org
>> Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
>> {+}
>>
>> *Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season <http://www.vaopera.org/>* *The
>> One You Love*
>> *Celebrate with a 2009-2010 Subscription: La 
>> Bohème<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera1.cfm>,
>> The Daughter of the 
>> Regiment<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera2.cfm>,
>> Don Giovann

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Steve Ens]

24?

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Murray Freeman  wrote:

>  As usual, these discussions go off topic, but I appreciate all the
> answers so far. But as long as we're going back into history, I remember
> cutting my teeth on IBM 604 machines, programming by wiring boards. then on
> to the more "sophisticated machines like the 7070 and the famous 1401. BTW,
> I still have a Commodore 64 at home in storage. I guess I should add that
> I've been in the computer field for nearly 50 years, so I'll just let you
> guys guess my age! LOL
>
>
> *Murray*
>
>
>  --
> *From:* Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:46 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>  Oh man…prior to Interdata, he was at DG – at that time, he was designing
> the boards being put in them.
>
>
>
> Sean Rector, MCSE
>
>
>
> *From:* Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I’ll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data
> General mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today.
> I miss reel-to-reel backup tapes…
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> Don Guyer
>
> Systems Engineer - Information Services
>
> Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group
>
> 431 W. Lancaster Avenue
>
> Devon, PA 19333
>
> Direct: (610) 993-3299
>
> Fax: (610) 650-5306
>
> don.gu...@prufoxroach.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Commodore PET & CBM – that’s how *I* rolled back in the day…
>
>
>
> My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my
> dad’s office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out
> by Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that’s in the Hubble Space Telescope.
>
>
>
> Sean Rector, MCSE
>
>
>
> *From:* gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.
>
>
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I miss Commodore.
>
>
>
> But don’t get me started down Memory Lane…
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Although… back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.
>
>
>
> _
>
> *Cameron Cooper*
>
> *IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified*
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Information Technology Manager
> Virginia Opera Association
>
> E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org
> Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
> {+}
>
> *Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season <http://www.vaopera.org>* *The
> One You Love*
> *Celebrate with a 2009-2010 Subscription: La 
> Bohème<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera1.cfm>,
> The Daughter of the 
> Regiment<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera2.cfm>,
> Don Giovanni <http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera3.cfm> and Porgy
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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Murray Freeman]

As usual, these discussions go off topic, but I appreciate all the answers so 
far. But as long as we're going back into history, I remember cutting my teeth 
on IBM 604 machines, programming by wiring boards. then on to the more 
"sophisticated machines like the 7070 and the famous 1401. BTW, I still have a 
Commodore 64 at home in storage. I guess I should add that I've been in the 
computer field for nearly 50 years, so I'll just let you guys guess my age! LOL
 

Murray

 



From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT



Oh man...prior to Interdata, he was at DG - at that time, he was designing the 
boards being put in them.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data General 
mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. I miss 
reel-to-reel backup tapes...

 

J

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day...

 

My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out by 
Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org <mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org> 
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
{+}

Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season <http://www.vaopera.org>  The One You 
Love
Celebrate with a 2009-2010 Subscription: La Bohème 
<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera1.cfm> , The Daughter of the 
Regiment <http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera2.cfm> , Don Giovanni 
<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera3.cfm>  and Porgy and BessSM 
<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera4.cfm>  
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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[gsweers]

Ahh, backing up to 25 x 5 ¼'s using xcopy in Dos 6.22

That was a step up from reel to reel.  I bet it was more fun to watch them spin 
though..

 

Greg

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I'll never forget my first computer-related job and that room-long Data General 
mainframe. Probably was x-times slower than most workstations today. I miss 
reel-to-reel backup tapes...

 

J

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox & Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Sean Rector [mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day...

 

My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at my 
dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were bought out by 
Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble Space Telescope.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

Information Technology Manager
Virginia Opera Association 

E-Mail: sean.rec...@vaopera.org <mailto:sean.rec...@vaopera.org> 
Phone:(757) 213-4548 (direct line)
{+}

Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season <http://www.vaopera.org>  The One You 
Love
Celebrate with a 2009-2010 Subscription: La Bohème 
<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera1.cfm> , The Daughter of the 
Regiment <http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera2.cfm> , Don Giovanni 
<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera3.cfm>  and Porgy and BessSM 
<http://www.vaopera.org/html/currentoperas/opera4.cfm>  
Visit us online at www.vaopera.org <http://www.vaopera.org>  or call 
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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Sean Rector]

Commodore PET & CBM - that's how I rolled back in the day...

 

My 1st look at a computer was looking in on the Interdata main frame at
my dad's office.  He was in sales at Interdata, and after they were
bought out by Perkin Elmer, he sold the computer that's in the Hubble
Space Telescope.

 

Sean Rector, MCSE

 

From: gswe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:gswe...@actsconsulting.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Ti-994a..Thats how we rolled back then.  

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

 

 

Virginia Opera's 35th Anniversary Season The One You Love
Celebrate with a 2009-2010 Subscription: La Boh?me, The Daughter of the 
Regiment, Don Giovanni and Porgy and BessSM 
Visit us online at www.vaopera.org or call 1-866-OPERA-VA

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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[John Hornbuckle]

Bah.

I traded up to a C-128.




From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.

_
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com<mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com>

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I miss Commodore.

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...


From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

_
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com<mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com>













~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Cameron Cooper]

Oh the good ol days of the Commodore 64 and SX-64.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com <mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com> 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 12:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I miss Commodore.

 

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...

 

 

From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com

 
 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[John Hornbuckle]

I miss Commodore.

But don't get me started down Memory Lane...


From: Cameron Cooper [mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

_
Cameron Cooper
IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified
Aurico Reports, Inc
Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
ccoo...@aurico.com<mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com>





~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Micheal Espinola Jr]

Its all about the UI, and Mac's have an exceptional one. It very functional,
and the graphics, layers, transitions, effects, always look flawless.
 Creative/artsy people love it.  I appreciate it.

--
ME2


On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Cameron Cooper  wrote:

>  IMO I agree that Macs can be great for graphics/video.. but the pc has
> made some really good strides to match that… if not take over that area.
>
>
>
> _
>
> *Cameron Cooper*
>
> *IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified*
>
> Aurico Reports, Inc
>
> Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896
>
> ccoo...@aurico.com
>
>
>
> *From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:01 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> Not to my knowledge, but I’m open to correction.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> 318 North Clark Street
>
> Perry, FL 32347
>
>
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2009 7:28 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I've heard in the past that Macs were superior for Graphic Design, Video
> editing, etc., but is that really the case anymore?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Cameron Cooper]

Although... back in the day Amigas were the tool of choice.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com <mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com> 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Not to my knowledge, but I'm open to correction.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I've heard in the past that Macs were superior for Graphic Design, Video
editing, etc., but is that really the case anymore?

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Cameron Cooper]

IMO I agree that Macs can be great for graphics/video.. but the pc has
made some really good strides to match that... if not take over that
area.

 

_

Cameron Cooper

IT Director - CompTIA A+ Certified

Aurico Reports, Inc

Phone: 847-890-4021Fax: 847-255-1896

ccoo...@aurico.com <mailto:ccoo...@aurico.com> 

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 8:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Not to my knowledge, but I'm open to correction.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I've heard in the past that Macs were superior for Graphic Design, Video
editing, etc., but is that really the case anymore?

 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Devin Meade]

On that note, when this was brought up in my firm, I gathered up some
info on Apple certification and training.  IIRC, I mentioned that if
we are to start supporting Mac's, lets to it properly, just like we do
with Windows (and AutoCAD, and Vmware, and whatever).  That means
training, training, and more training (and  testing, testing and more
testing).  I then pulled some historical costs for our Windows
training.  I never asked for a Mac for IS testing, but did kinda sorta
mentioned it between the lines.  That was about a year ago, upper mgnt
has not given the go-ahead.  I just approached it like anything else -
with a set of requirements and costs before we adopt new / different
technology.  So far this has not made it much past water-fountain
talk.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Ben Scott  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Jon Harris  wrote:
>> Not from what my Windows person is finding.  He is producing the same level
>> of work as a professional that we pay for.  The biggest difference is in the
>> training.
>
>  I think that's actually the case for both users and admins.  If one
> has most of one's experience with %PLATFORM%, then one will find
> %OTHER_PLATFORM% harder.
>
>  If most of the formal training the IT staff has is in
> Microsoft-based IT systems, and all but one of the computers in the
> organization is Microsoft-based, and then we have this one computer
> running a different OS, *of course* it's going to have
> disproportionate costs and weird difficulties and everything else.
> It'd be the same way if it was all Mac OS X except for one Windows
> box.
>
>  Same applies to the users and applications.  If somebody has been
> working on a Mac for their entire professional career, then of course
> the Mac will be perceived as better, because the Mac fits their
> experience, where as anything else will involve re-training and
> re-learning.
>
>  Of course, interoperability with third-party platforms has never
> been Microsoft's strong suit, either.  Some of that's by design (cf.
> the so-called "Halloween memos", US DoJ v MSFT, etc.).  But in
> fairness, some of it is just the result of being the incumbent market
> leader.  Microsoft has far less market pressure to work with the other
> guys, while if you're a minority platform you've *got* to interoperate
> with Microsoft or you're hamstrung.
>
>  The real hard part in all this is quantifying the costs associated
> with supporting a new platform within an organization, vs the benefits
> the platform provides.  If you can provide an ROI analysis, decisions
> get a lot easier.  If, say, it's just one guy Mac guy and all he's
> using is Adobe Creative Suite, then chances are you can easily
> demonstrate that it's cheaper to just move him to Windows.  Pay for
> some Windows training for the guy once.  Adobe CS is fairly similar
> across platforms, or so I'm told.
>
> -- Ben
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>



-- 
Devin

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Jon Harris  wrote:
> Not from what my Windows person is finding.  He is producing the same level
> of work as a professional that we pay for.  The biggest difference is in the
> training.

  I think that's actually the case for both users and admins.  If one
has most of one's experience with %PLATFORM%, then one will find
%OTHER_PLATFORM% harder.

  If most of the formal training the IT staff has is in
Microsoft-based IT systems, and all but one of the computers in the
organization is Microsoft-based, and then we have this one computer
running a different OS, *of course* it's going to have
disproportionate costs and weird difficulties and everything else.
It'd be the same way if it was all Mac OS X except for one Windows
box.

  Same applies to the users and applications.  If somebody has been
working on a Mac for their entire professional career, then of course
the Mac will be perceived as better, because the Mac fits their
experience, where as anything else will involve re-training and
re-learning.

  Of course, interoperability with third-party platforms has never
been Microsoft's strong suit, either.  Some of that's by design (cf.
the so-called "Halloween memos", US DoJ v MSFT, etc.).  But in
fairness, some of it is just the result of being the incumbent market
leader.  Microsoft has far less market pressure to work with the other
guys, while if you're a minority platform you've *got* to interoperate
with Microsoft or you're hamstrung.

  The real hard part in all this is quantifying the costs associated
with supporting a new platform within an organization, vs the benefits
the platform provides.  If you can provide an ROI analysis, decisions
get a lot easier.  If, say, it's just one guy Mac guy and all he's
using is Adobe Creative Suite, then chances are you can easily
demonstrate that it's cheaper to just move him to Windows.  Pay for
some Windows training for the guy once.  Adobe CS is fairly similar
across platforms, or so I'm told.

-- Ben

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[John Hornbuckle]

Replying to my own post... I was just taking another look at the Dell XPS One 
systems. When these first came out, they were crazy expensive. It seems the 
price has come down quite a bit, though.

Has anyone used these? If so, how do they compare to the iMac?




John





From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

That's what we're doing here. We've managed to negotiate some better pricing to 
reduce the "Apple tax," making the iMacs' pricing closer to that of our Dells. 
We then run Vista on them, which works fine.

PC manufacturers are still clueless. They're trying to learn from Apple, but 
are still way behind.




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>






From: Vue, Za [mailto:z...@emory.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I will take a one piece iMac over a PC system any day BUT running Vista. If I 
have the budget I would buy everyone an iMac and run Vista. I wish PC vendors 
start making one piece unit like Apple. Too many damn wires man! (Speaker 
wires, AC adapters, video adapters, mouse wires, KB wires)  How about start 
incorporating wireless NIC into desktop systems?
Have you all seen the size of the AC adapter on Dell machines? They are almost 
as large as the small form factor unit. ALL built-in speakers are worth sh1t on 
PC vendors(IBM/DELL). Music sounds like midi files coming from these built-in 
speakers.

-Z.V.






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~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[John Hornbuckle]

That's what we're doing here. We've managed to negotiate some better pricing to 
reduce the "Apple tax," making the iMacs' pricing closer to that of our Dells. 
We then run Vista on them, which works fine.

PC manufacturers are still clueless. They're trying to learn from Apple, but 
are still way behind.




John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>






From: Vue, Za [mailto:z...@emory.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I will take a one piece iMac over a PC system any day BUT running Vista. If I 
have the budget I would buy everyone an iMac and run Vista. I wish PC vendors 
start making one piece unit like Apple. Too many damn wires man! (Speaker 
wires, AC adapters, video adapters, mouse wires, KB wires)  How about start 
incorporating wireless NIC into desktop systems?
Have you all seen the size of the AC adapter on Dell machines? They are almost 
as large as the small form factor unit. ALL built-in speakers are worth sh1t on 
PC vendors(IBM/DELL). Music sounds like midi files coming from these built-in 
speakers.

-Z.V.


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Vue, Za]

I will take a one piece iMac over a PC system any day BUT running Vista. If I 
have the budget I would buy everyone an iMac and run Vista. I wish PC vendors 
start making one piece unit like Apple. Too many damn wires man! (Speaker 
wires, AC adapters, video adapters, mouse wires, KB wires)  How about start 
incorporating wireless NIC into desktop systems?
Have you all seen the size of the AC adapter on Dell machines? They are almost 
as large as the small form factor unit. ALL built-in speakers are worth sh1t on 
PC vendors(IBM/DELL). Music sounds like midi files coming from these built-in 
speakers.

-Z.V.

From: Holstrom, Don [mailto:dholst...@nbm.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

The machines aren't any better, but it appears the graphics users like Macs 
more. When a Mac fails, they don't flinch, just look for me patiently. I have 
five Mac desktops and three Mac laptops here at the Museum. About eight or 10 
have Macs at home too. For the in-house users, I give them an extra monitor and 
run Parallels with Microsoft Office (Outlook) running, as all the other apps 
don't have all that Outlook offers. And I run Exchange here. One likes to use 
OWA, but the rest like to use Office for Outlook. A year or so ago I used Macs 
with two monitors at home as well as at the office to see the difference. The 
Macs are sweet, but I just like PC's better, even withstanding the half or 
third better pricing.

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

Not to my knowledge, but I'm open to correction.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I've heard in the past that Macs were superior for Graphic Design, Video 
editing, etc., but is that really the case anymore?











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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Holstrom, Don]

The machines aren't any better, but it appears the graphics users like
Macs more. When a Mac fails, they don't flinch, just look for me
patiently. I have five Mac desktops and three Mac laptops here at the
Museum. About eight or 10 have Macs at home too. For the in-house users,
I give them an extra monitor and run Parallels with Microsoft Office
(Outlook) running, as all the other apps don't have all that Outlook
offers. And I run Exchange here. One likes to use OWA, but the rest like
to use Office for Outlook. A year or so ago I used Macs with two
monitors at home as well as at the office to see the difference. The
Macs are sweet, but I just like PC's better, even withstanding the half
or third better pricing.

 

From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Not to my knowledge, but I'm open to correction.

 

 

 

John Hornbuckle

MIS Department

Taylor County School District

318 North Clark Street

Perry, FL 32347

 

www.taylor.k12.fl.us

 

 

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

I've heard in the past that Macs were superior for Graphic Design, Video
editing, etc., but is that really the case anymore?

 

 

 

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Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Jon Harris]

Not from what my Windows person is finding.  He is producing the same level
of work as a professional that we pay for.  The biggest difference is in the
training.  The professional was trained on a Mac and our inside person has
had no training.  The Mac person takes the work done by the Windows person
and uses it as is.

Jon

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 9:00 AM, John Hornbuckle <
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us> wrote:

>  Not to my knowledge, but I’m open to correction.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Hornbuckle
>
> MIS Department
>
> Taylor County School District
>
> 318 North Clark Street
>
> Perry, FL 32347
>
>
>
> www.taylor.k12.fl.us
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2009 7:28 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
>
>
>
> I've heard in the past that Macs were superior for Graphic Design, Video
> editing, etc., but is that really the case anymore?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[John Hornbuckle]

Not to my knowledge, but I'm open to correction.



John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347

www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 7:28 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

I've heard in the past that Macs were superior for Graphic Design, Video 
editing, etc., but is that really the case anymore?


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Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Jonathan Link]

Sounds like some user education is in order.  Next time a snide comment is
made, give them a chart that shows their use of support compared to the rest
of the Windows group.



On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> It has been our experience that while the technical issues of MAC's
> can be resolved, most issues come from the MAC users themselves.
> Having got themselves a little exception to the overall IT policy,
> they will often refuse to play nice with things like storing files on
> network shares which are backed up.  Consume support resources with
> their custom needs the drain your teams time.  Make constant snide
> comments about Windows and support and get really irritable when you
> produce the article clearly showing it was a MAC issue.
>
> The last time we looked at 'some groups' needs, there were Windows
> versions of all the applications available but they were able to
> maintain their separate resource stance.  Of course we were all
> sympathy when they lost a major amount of data do to their refusal to
> play nice with corporate IT policy.
>
> Of course, I may be biased.
>
> Steven
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> > I use VMWare Fusion with a license of WindowsXP on my MacBook Pro, and
> can
> > launch the windows version of Outlook for the full integrated email
> > experience.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Murray Freeman 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
> >> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a
> few
> >> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into
> our
> >> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new
> machines,
> >> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization,
> but
> >> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or
> concerns
> >> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >> Murray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Jon Harris]

No Samba but putting the specific deny write on that file seems to have
worked.  The Mac user can not up date the file or do anything else with it
but read it.

Jon

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Miguel Gonzalez  wrote:

>
> About the famous . files that normally screw backups up, there are tools
> that clean up those files in the Mac and the Windows side (in the case you
> have a Samba server.
>
> Miguel
>
>
> --- El mar, 28/4/09, Jon Harris  escribió:
>
> > De: Jon Harris 
> > Asunto: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
> > Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> > Fecha: martes, 28 abril, 2009 5:36
>  > Agreed they are a pain.  They also like to leave files
> > around that make
> > backups fail (or appear to fail).  I took to leaving the
> > files in place and
> > put specific deny write on the Mac user in my environment.
> > Mac users are
> > also a pain to deal with as they usaully whine that it is
> > so much easier on
> > a Mac but in real life it is pretty much the same.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Sherry Abercrombie
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Macs are a pain.  Not only do I have about 2 dozen of
> > them on my network,
> > > I've got a stupid Mac Server also.
> > >
> > > Macs use Entourage for interaction with Exchange
> > (OWA), it's not perfect,
> > > there are issues, and it's on the Mac side.  Not
> > any issues with having them
> > > on your network, I just don't like Macs.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Murray Freeman
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >>  I'm being asked to investigate the use of a
> > few MAC's in our network. I
> > >> know that it would be only used by a few of our
> > staff for graphics and a few
> > >> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of
> > a MAC to interface into our
> > >> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we
> > would purchase new machines,
> > >> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also
> > aware of virtualization, but
> > >> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any
> > suggestions, warnings or concerns
> > >> from anyone with this kind of experience would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *Murray*
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sherry Abercrombie
> > >
> > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
> > indistinguishable from magic."
> > > Arthur C. Clarke
> > > Sent from Haslet, TX, United States
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>  > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
> > resource hog! ~
> > ~
> > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>
> >  ~
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Jon Harris]

I will add one additional fact.  Our Mac has spent on average at least 2
days a year in service with another 2 days per year on either side of that
having issues, either hardware or software.  All of the Windows Desktops and
Laptops combined have only 4 days in the shop for issues, with most of those
restricted to a machine that is more than 5 years old running an OS that the
manufacturer says it will not run.  Funny thing is that adding RAM to the
machine and it worked fine.  It was a test machine that got pushed into
production when the users machine died after reaching about 10 years of age.

Jon

On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Jon Harris  wrote:

>  Agreed they are a pain.  They also like to leave files around that make
> backups fail (or appear to fail).  I took to leaving the files in place and
> put specific deny write on the Mac user in my environment.  Mac users are
> also a pain to deal with as they usaully whine that it is so much easier on
> a Mac but in real life it is pretty much the same.
>
> Jon
>
>  On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Sherry Abercrombie 
> wrote:
>
>> Macs are a pain.  Not only do I have about 2 dozen of them on my network,
>> I've got a stupid Mac Server also.
>>
>> Macs use Entourage for interaction with Exchange (OWA), it's not perfect,
>> there are issues, and it's on the Mac side.  Not any issues with having them
>> on your network, I just don't like Macs.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Murray Freeman wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
>>> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a few
>>> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into our
>>> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new machines,
>>> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization, but
>>> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or concerns
>>> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> *Murray*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sherry Abercrombie
>>
>> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
>> Arthur C. Clarke
>> Sent from Haslet, TX, United States
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Miguel Gonzalez]

About the famous . files that normally screw backups up, there are tools that 
clean up those files in the Mac and the Windows side (in the case you have a 
Samba server.

Miguel


--- El mar, 28/4/09, Jon Harris  escribió:

> De: Jon Harris 
> Asunto: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT
> Para: "NT System Admin Issues" 
> Fecha: martes, 28 abril, 2009 5:36
> Agreed they are a pain.  They also like to leave files
> around that make
> backups fail (or appear to fail).  I took to leaving the
> files in place and
> put specific deny write on the Mac user in my environment. 
> Mac users are
> also a pain to deal with as they usaully whine that it is
> so much easier on
> a Mac but in real life it is pretty much the same.
> 
> Jon
> 
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Sherry Abercrombie
> wrote:
> 
> > Macs are a pain.  Not only do I have about 2 dozen of
> them on my network,
> > I've got a stupid Mac Server also.
> >
> > Macs use Entourage for interaction with Exchange
> (OWA), it's not perfect,
> > there are issues, and it's on the Mac side.  Not
> any issues with having them
> > on your network, I just don't like Macs.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Murray Freeman
> wrote:
> >
> >>  I'm being asked to investigate the use of a
> few MAC's in our network. I
> >> know that it would be only used by a few of our
> staff for graphics and a few
> >> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of
> a MAC to interface into our
> >> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we
> would purchase new machines,
> >> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also
> aware of virtualization, but
> >> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any
> suggestions, warnings or concerns
> >> from anyone with this kind of experience would be
> greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >> *Murray*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sherry Abercrombie
> >
> > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is
> indistinguishable from magic."
> > Arthur C. Clarke
> > Sent from Haslet, TX, United States
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a
> resource hog! ~
> ~
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>
>  ~


  

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Jon Harris]

Agreed they are a pain.  They also like to leave files around that make
backups fail (or appear to fail).  I took to leaving the files in place and
put specific deny write on the Mac user in my environment.  Mac users are
also a pain to deal with as they usaully whine that it is so much easier on
a Mac but in real life it is pretty much the same.

Jon

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Sherry Abercrombie wrote:

> Macs are a pain.  Not only do I have about 2 dozen of them on my network,
> I've got a stupid Mac Server also.
>
> Macs use Entourage for interaction with Exchange (OWA), it's not perfect,
> there are issues, and it's on the Mac side.  Not any issues with having them
> on your network, I just don't like Macs.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Murray Freeman wrote:
>
>>  I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
>> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a few
>> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into our
>> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new machines,
>> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization, but
>> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or concerns
>> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> *Murray*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Sherry Abercrombie
>
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
> Arthur C. Clarke
> Sent from Haslet, TX, United States
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Ben Schorr]

Yes, that was exactly our experience as well.  Every month there was some new 
special Mac app that they just HAD to have working and that our helpdesk staff 
had never heard of before.

So we had to spend resources getting up to speed with and supporting an 
application that only one user (out of 50+) was going to use and even then the 
business case for that app was a little tenuous I thought.

And, naturally every now and then one of these special-case apps apparently 
broke his legitimate business apps and that meant even more support time 
sitting at his Mac trying to get everything working again. He'd complain about 
all of the problems, but the guys in the offices next to his, running standard 
Dell PCs on the same network, just got their work done day after day with few 
if any problems.

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com
b...@rolandschorr.com
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bschorr


-Original Message-
From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 1:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

It has been our experience that while the technical issues of MAC's
can be resolved, most issues come from the MAC users themselves.
Having got themselves a little exception to the overall IT policy,
they will often refuse to play nice with things like storing files on
network shares which are backed up.  Consume support resources with
their custom needs the drain your teams time.  Make constant snide
comments about Windows and support and get really irritable when you
produce the article clearly showing it was a MAC issue.

The last time we looked at 'some groups' needs, there were Windows
versions of all the applications available but they were able to
maintain their separate resource stance.  Of course we were all
sympathy when they lost a major amount of data do to their refusal to
play nice with corporate IT policy.

Of course, I may be biased.

Steven

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> I use VMWare Fusion with a license of WindowsXP on my MacBook Pro, and can
> launch the windows version of Outlook for the full integrated email
> experience.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Murray Freeman  wrote:
>>
>> I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
>> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a few
>> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into our
>> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new machines,
>> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization, but
>> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or concerns
>> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Murray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Sean Martin]

We support Macs for our Marketing department. I don't believe we deal with
too many issues, but that's probably because most of their productivity
applications are delivered via Citrix. We use ExtremeZ-IP from Group Logics
to handle file sharing from a Windows 2003 server.

I guess I would put the responsibility on the requestor to prove why a PC
solution would not be sufficient. I've heard in the past that Macs were
superior for Graphic Design, Video editing, etc., but is that really the
case anymore? As someone else pointed out, most of the applications (or
comparable applications) these days are available for PC.

I'm all for catering to the business needs of users, but sometimes a line
has to be drawn in an effort to streamline your support guidelines. Are you,
or do you have someone on staff, experienced with Macs in an AD environment
(I'm assuming you're running AD)? If not, you should be able to make a case
for equipment standards.

- Sean
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Steven Peck  wrote:

> It has been our experience that while the technical issues of MAC's
> can be resolved, most issues come from the MAC users themselves.
> Having got themselves a little exception to the overall IT policy,
> they will often refuse to play nice with things like storing files on
> network shares which are backed up.  Consume support resources with
> their custom needs the drain your teams time.  Make constant snide
> comments about Windows and support and get really irritable when you
> produce the article clearly showing it was a MAC issue.
>
> The last time we looked at 'some groups' needs, there were Windows
> versions of all the applications available but they were able to
> maintain their separate resource stance.  Of course we were all
> sympathy when they lost a major amount of data do to their refusal to
> play nice with corporate IT policy.
>
> Of course, I may be biased.
>
> Steven
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> > I use VMWare Fusion with a license of WindowsXP on my MacBook Pro, and
> can
> > launch the windows version of Outlook for the full integrated email
> > experience.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Murray Freeman 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
> >> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a
> few
> >> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into
> our
> >> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new
> machines,
> >> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization,
> but
> >> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or
> concerns
> >> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >> Murray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~   ~
>
>

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RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Gene Giannamore]

Amen to that, and we only have 1 mac user. 




Gene Giannamore
Abide International Inc.
Technical Support
561 1st Street West
Sonoma,Ca.95476
(707) 935-1577Office
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-Original Message-
From: Steven Peck [mailto:sep...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 4:07 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

It has been our experience that while the technical issues of MAC's
can be resolved, most issues come from the MAC users themselves.
Having got themselves a little exception to the overall IT policy,
they will often refuse to play nice with things like storing files on
network shares which are backed up.  Consume support resources with
their custom needs the drain your teams time.  Make constant snide
comments about Windows and support and get really irritable when you
produce the article clearly showing it was a MAC issue.

The last time we looked at 'some groups' needs, there were Windows
versions of all the applications available but they were able to
maintain their separate resource stance.  Of course we were all
sympathy when they lost a major amount of data do to their refusal to
play nice with corporate IT policy.

Of course, I may be biased.

Steven

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> I use VMWare Fusion with a license of WindowsXP on my MacBook Pro, and can
> launch the windows version of Outlook for the full integrated email
> experience.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Murray Freeman  wrote:
>>
>> I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
>> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a few
>> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into our
>> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new machines,
>> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization, but
>> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or concerns
>> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Murray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Steven Peck]

It has been our experience that while the technical issues of MAC's
can be resolved, most issues come from the MAC users themselves.
Having got themselves a little exception to the overall IT policy,
they will often refuse to play nice with things like storing files on
network shares which are backed up.  Consume support resources with
their custom needs the drain your teams time.  Make constant snide
comments about Windows and support and get really irritable when you
produce the article clearly showing it was a MAC issue.

The last time we looked at 'some groups' needs, there were Windows
versions of all the applications available but they were able to
maintain their separate resource stance.  Of course we were all
sympathy when they lost a major amount of data do to their refusal to
play nice with corporate IT policy.

Of course, I may be biased.

Steven

On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
> I use VMWare Fusion with a license of WindowsXP on my MacBook Pro, and can
> launch the windows version of Outlook for the full integrated email
> experience.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Murray Freeman  wrote:
>>
>> I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
>> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a few
>> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into our
>> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new machines,
>> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization, but
>> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or concerns
>> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Murray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Michael White]

As has been mentioned, Entourage is the semi-equivalent to Outlook for
Exchange connectivity.  Snow Leopard is supposed to have increased
integration with an Exchange environment natively.  In what ways are you
having concerns about Macs interacting w/your network?
Michael.



On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Murray Freeman wrote:

>  I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a few
> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into our
> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new machines,
> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization, but
> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or concerns
> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Jonathan Link]

I use VMWare Fusion with a license of WindowsXP on my MacBook Pro, and can
launch the windows version of Outlook for the full integrated email
experience.



On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Murray Freeman  wrote:

>  I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a few
> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into our
> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new machines,
> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization, but
> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or concerns
> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> *Murray*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

RE: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Ben Schorr]

I sort of second Sherry's comments.  I say sort of because I have a Mac
or two myself and don't have anything against Macs...but they are often
a pain to support in a mixed network.

 

We support one network that USED to have a single Mac (among about 50
PCs and half a dozen Windows servers).  That single Mac user generated
about three times as many support calls as any other user on the
network.

 

You can do it and it will work, but be prepared that you may find
yourself spending a lot more helpdesk resources on them.

 

Ben M. Schorr
Chief Executive Officer
__
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com <http://www.rolandschorr.com/> 
b...@rolandschorr.com <mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com> 

Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bschorr

 

From: Sherry Abercrombie [mailto:saber...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:49 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

 

Macs are a pain.  Not only do I have about 2 dozen of them on my
network, I've got a stupid Mac Server also.  

Macs use Entourage for interaction with Exchange (OWA), it's not
perfect, there are issues, and it's on the Mac side.  Not any issues
with having them on your network, I just don't like Macs. 



On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Murray Freeman 
wrote:

I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a
few other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface
into our network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase
new machines, so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of
virtualization, but haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions,
warnings or concerns from anyone with this kind of experience would be
greatly appreciated.

 

Murray

 

 

 




-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Haslet, TX, United States 

 

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~

Re: USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Sherry Abercrombie]

Macs are a pain.  Not only do I have about 2 dozen of them on my network,
I've got a stupid Mac Server also.

Macs use Entourage for interaction with Exchange (OWA), it's not perfect,
there are issues, and it's on the Mac side.  Not any issues with having them
on your network, I just don't like Macs.


On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Murray Freeman  wrote:

>  I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
> know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a few
> other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface into our
> network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase new machines,
> so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of virtualization, but
> haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions, warnings or concerns
> from anyone with this kind of experience would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> *Murray*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Sherry Abercrombie

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Arthur C. Clarke
Sent from Haslet, TX, United States

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~

USE OF MAC COMPUTERS IN WINDOWS ENVIRONMENT

[Murray Freeman]

I'm being asked to investigate the use of a few MAC's in our network. I
know that it would be only used by a few of our staff for graphics and a
few other apps. I'm concerned about the ability of a MAC to interface
into our network and Exchange Server email.Obviously we would purchase
new machines, so they could be dual boot machines. I'm also aware of
virtualization, but haven't looked into that as of yet. Any suggestions,
warnings or concerns from anyone with this kind of experience would be
greatly appreciated.
 

Murray

 

~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
~   ~